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We definitely appreciate that. Moderates, thank you so much for joining. Facebook family, thank you also for joining. Welcome to the channel. First and foremost, before I get into the content of the video, I want to ask for all of us to pray for our brothers and sisters and family and those in the surrounding Dallas Fort Worth area. We have quite a few people that we know live in the Dallas area. It has been affected by the tornado that has been in that area. I have people that reported that they have tornado sirens that have been blaring and have been going on there and have also our brothers and sisters taking cover as well. So we want to pray for our brothers and sisters in Christ. Sister Levina and Lawnale Marion, Brother Corey Miner. I believe he lives in Dallas. Sister Christina. Brother Jermaine and his wife Nicole, aka that Christian fam channel. There's so many. I may be leaving some names out, but you all know who they are. So we need to lift them up in prayer asking for God to protect them and keep them safe from any harm and danger or any tragic deaths that could come from this storm. We are actually petitioning and asking for the Lord to shield and protect them as well. We live in the fallen world, brothers and sisters. I mean, this is the result of the curse of the fall. Everything's affected. The earth is groaning, waiting for its redemption as the scriptures teach, but we still pray and we know that God is able to protect and he is a miracle working God. And so we we're asking for the Lord to be merciful and gracious and not to allow that to come near their dwelling. So let's be lifting them up in our prayers throughout this throughout this stream. There are definitely people that would normally join on this live, but they're not able to do so. I'm pretty sure because they're taking cover right now. So asking for God to keep them in prayer, aka sister Latanya, care for the soul, also be praying for her. She lives in the Dallas area as well too. So thank you so much for that. But let's get into the into the topic. As I mentioned earlier this this afternoon, I did a reaction video with Corey Miner and also with Alexander Pagani. I wanted to challenge the body of Christ to examine their heart, to examine their motives, to check their biases at the door when it comes to the truth, when it comes to personalities. A person being considered a heretic, false teacher, any of any of those labels that we put on an individual should never be the standard by which we base what the word of God has to say. We base what the word of God has to say based on the word of God itself. And we see everything through that grid. And it does not mean that we don't warn the body of Christ from false teachers. Of course we do. Of course we do. But a lot of us, if we're not careful and a lot of us, we would admit that we have made a lot of our judgments because of individuals that we perceive or that we have pronounced and have rendered judgment as false teachers. As though they can't speak anything true, as though they can't say anything true. All we have to do is look through the panoply of Scripture. All we have to do is examine through the Old and New Testament how God used people to speak truth. And in doing so he has done it through indictment from those who are supposed to be ambassadors and from those who are supposed to be light and contrast with the darkness of this world. So I did that video not to slight, not to sneak this anyone, but for us to examine our hearts and to challenge each one of us in the by the Christ to make sure that we don't make judgments based on appearance. In fact, the Bible tells us not to do that. John 7 24 tells us not to judge according to appearance, but make judgments according to righteous judgment, righteous judgment. So we need to do that every every opportunity that we are called to speak the truth. So what I want to do to do tonight, I want to respond and react to the interview that I watched with Alexander Pagani and Jesse Lee Peterson. Actually, Jesse Lee Peterson was the host and he invited Alex Pagani on to his on to his platform on his on his channel, his show. And so it was an interesting conversation to say the least. And I want you to be the judge as far as what you think and how how Pagani fared or how did he fail in his in his response and his reactions. Of course, I'm going to give my thoughts and share my my perspective and allow the Word of God and the scriptures to bear. So without any further ado, we're going to get it started. Let's go. If Christians are saved because salvation is of the heart, right? If Christians are saved from the heart, how can you be of God and of the devil? Because God is of love and Satan is of anger. How can you serve both? The salvation experience breaks the power of sin, not the presence of sin. It just breaks the power of it, which means I have the ability now to say no, because the Holy Spirit is living on the inside. It doesn't necessarily remove the presence of those sins. It's just that I now have the ability to say no. So be angry, sin not, which means you're not you're not going to like not be angry. The Bible is actually telling you, you're going to get angry. Just don't sin. So that's how I view it. According to how it's been revealed to me through scripture that the salvation experience doesn't remove the presence. It doesn't remove the presence of sin. It just removes the power. But anyone that has anyone that has anger is of their father, the devil. And God says that anyone that has anger is a murderer and that you should never trust an angry person. And so why didn't God take the spirit of the devil from your heart if you were born of the heart? Well, I guess right now it's just word semantics. I wouldn't say that I'm given over to anger, but to say that someone if they get angry one time, let's say I'm angry about something that's miniscule, you know, saying the check cash register person didn't give me the correct change and I got angry. I'm of the devil. Like that don't make no that'll make no sense. That's that's more legalism. That's legalism at its finest. And what do you mean by legalism? I don't know what that is. It's amazing that Jesse Lee Peterson, who by the way, is a heritage. And if you don't know who Jesse Lee Peterson is, you're not missing anything. But Jesse Lee Peterson is a heritage. Jesse Lee Peterson denies the deity of Christ. Jesse Lee Peterson denies the Trinity. Jesse Lee Peterson does not believe that Jesus Christ is God. In fact, Jesse Lee Peterson believes that you can be perfect in this life. So there's a few things I want to unpack. First of all, what Pagani said is true. He quotes Ephesians chapter four verse 26, which actually says, be angry and and sin not or be angry. And yet do not sin, do not let the sun go down upon your anger and do not give the devil an opportunity. Yes, the Bible says that. But the problem with what Jesse noticed, Jesse likes to conflate, he likes to twist, he likes to insert and interject different parts of scripture to make it seem that he's being biblical. The Bible doesn't say if we're anger, we're of the devil. It's the kind of anger that you and I have. We just read Ephesians 426. It makes it clear that we can be anger. It's the type of anger and the motivation behind the anger. There's righteous anger, there's righteous indignation, and then there's sin for anger. And so we're not to, we're not to respond in the flesh with anger. But for this guy to say that it is sin for people to be angry, it shows you that this man does not know his Bible. That's what it shows you. But let's look at some other texts. Let's look at James chapter 1 and verse 19. We're just going to go through a few representative verses here, just so people can get a better understanding and know that Jesse Leapius does not know what in the world he's talking about. James chapter 1, verse 19 and 20. It says, This you know by beloved brethren, but everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak, and slow to anger. For the anger of man does not achieve the righteousness of God. So you see that? So there's sinful anger, and then there's sanctified anger, there's righteous anger, there's godly anger. But the anger of man, the Bible says does not achieve the righteousness of God. In fact, we know that we have examples in scripture of Old and New Testament saints being angry. In fact, let's look at one. Second Samuel chapter 12 verse 5. We know the story of David and just want to note just in this particular passage, although Nathan rebukes him and confronts him regarding his affair, his adulterous affair with Bathsheba and then having her husband, Uriah, killed. Notice what happens. He gives the story, Nathan does, gives a story about a man having a lamb and how the one who took the poor man's lamb and killed it and ate it for himself. And so look at the text. He says, Rather, he took the poor man's Ulam and prepared it for the man who had come to him. Verse 5, Then David's anger burned greatly against the man. Even though Nathan was given a story, the story was also in the context of injustice. So we should be angry when we see true injustice, not made up injustice, not the injustice that we see going on in our society today. No, true injustice in your face, injustice. Thank you, liberate. It's true for the super chat. Thank you so much. This is what anger David. The text says, Then David's anger burned greatly against the man. And he said to Nathan, As the Lord lives, surely the man who has done this deserves to die. We know the story. Nathan says that's what the man, I'm talking about you, bro. That's what he's saying. But the point of it was when David heard this story, it angered him because a person was taking advantage of. Nathan used it to show how he took advantage of a Bathsheba. But the point of the point of the story was, was how injustice should anger us. That's the that's the point. Also, of the of the story, we can glean from that as well too. Let's look at also in Psalm chapter seven. You know, our Lord Psalm chapter seven. And I hate when people say Psalms. It's not Psalms. You know what a book? It's a Psalm. Sorry, the little pet peeve of mine. Just wanted to share with y'all. God is a righteous judge and a God who has indignation every day. It says there in the ESV, God is a righteous judge and a God who feels indignation every day. The King James says, God judges the righteous and God is angry with the wicked every day. Mark chapter three verse five. Jesus have to looking around at them with anger, grieve at their hardness of heart. He said to the man stretch out your hand. He stressed it out and his hand was restored. We also know the other famous verse of our Lord Jesus cleansing the temple. John chapter two verses 13 through 18. The Passover of the Jews was near and Jesus went up to Jerusalem and he found in the temple those who were selling oxen and sheep and doves and the money changers seated at the tables. And he made a scourge of cords and drove them all out of the temple with the sheep and the oxen. And he poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. And he said to those who were selling the doves, take these things away and stop making my father's house a place of business. His disciples remembered that it was written, Zeal for your house will consume me. Jesus was righteously angry. The Jews then said to him, what sign do you show us as your authority for doing these things? And then of course, Jesus says to stir this temple in three days and I will raise it up. The point is Jesus was angry when he saw injustice and he saw God's name, his character, his house being misrepresented, being profaned, being violated. So is Jesse knowing what he's talking about? Does Jesse know what he's talking about? Of course Jesse does not know what he's talking about. And I would love for the day, I mean really, I would really love for the day to be able to have a conversation with this man if he stops hanging up on him. But we'll talk about that later in the live. But just wanted you to see that this man does not have a clue what he's talking about. But let's continue. That means a literal interpretation, letter of the law. You're following exactly how it's written and not understanding the spirit of the law. Meaning like it's just so that every time you get angry, you're of the devil. So every time you sin, you're of the devil. The first John chapter one says you're going to sin. So there's a problem there. So if first John chapter one says if we sin, we have an advocate, why didn't John just say when you sin, you're of the devil. Like you're of the devil. You're of Satan. There's nowhere in that verse. So but if you're a literalist, then I'm of the devil. There's no way around that one. I own him from the Bronx. I guess I'm from the devil. It's not scriptural, but I can expect somebody. But God said if anyone's sin, meaning if you have anyone's sin, they are of the devil, not of him. No, that's not what it says. If anyone says that he's of God and yet he sins, he a liar and the truth is not in him. For that reason, Christ came that you might not sin. Okay. So now you're going back on what you just said. You just said, if you sin, you're of the devil. Now you're on my side. So now you're on my side. No, I'm saying that you cannot have the spirit of the devil in you and me of God too, because you can't serve too much. So let me respond to this super chat. Thank you, Baptist 702. And also, Sister Ashley, don't go anywhere. You're welcome to listen and also to chime in. Just because somebody disagrees with you, that's okay. We don't attack people for disagreeing. But Baptist 702, you said, what would your critique of Ruslan be? Ruslan, Ruslan supports and endorsed false teachers like Marcus Rogers. He called Marcus Rogers a brother he has yet to repent. He has yet to re-camper that him and Alan Parr. I call those two individuals trojan horses. I call those two individuals traders of the gospel. That's what I call them. And I call upon other brothers and sisters to stop supporting them. Now, again, I say that not to say that we can't see their things in agree with them, but subscribing to their channel or supporting them financially. I really believe until we start holding people accountable for the things that they say and for the false teachers that they support, we only embolden and we only further fuel the deception. Content creators like myself and others that stand on the word of God and stand on truth, we're not grifting anybody. And so I have nothing to lose by telling you the truth. But I do have everything to lose if I tell you the truth and in forfeit of my own soul. Because if I'm a person of the truth, I'm going to tell the person the truth regardless of how they feel. So anyone that supports Marcus Rogers or anyone who says like Alan Parr that he is a brother and he's trying and he is going to, he said he's going to continue to build a bridge with the known heretic, a heretic who was responsible for the death of a fellow soldier, a known heritage who beat his wife, abuse his wife. I mean, police reports and all of that was less than honorably discharged, who deceased people for money and for profit. And he really, he really praised upon the weak and primarily weak women and effeminate males. There's another way of putting it because when you have the sermon, you won't be deceived like that. So for Alan Parr and for Rouge line to support a person like that, I look at these gentlemen as sus and I'm calling upon the body of Christ to hold these men accountable and responsible for leading people astray. These people, these guys have more followers and more subscribers than I do. They're in the six figure digits. So when they say these things, we don't know the influence and the impact of it that they carry when they affirm people like this or when they affirm people like begoni. I have yet to see people like Alan Parr and Rouge line engage with people like me. He only came on my broadcast one time, hadn't came on anymore because I challenged him, I called him out on his duplicity and on his hypocrisy. And then he brought one of his other friends to try to, I guess, send me and send him packing, not being bragged ocean to state the facts. All you do is look it up. But how do you support false teachers and claim to be a lover of God's word and a love of God's people? And I don't claim that these people are immature. These people are immature. They know what they're doing. They know what they're doing. TLC, why speak on someone who's not here to defend themselves? Well, because what they said is public. I don't have to wait for this matter to appear. Matter of fact, you can tag them. I've already tagged Alice Pagani. Rouge line, I think has blocked me. So or he he's a he doesn't follow my my content, but he knows he knows my position in my angst against them. I have nothing to hide. The question is why don't they defend the gospel from the heretics and the wolves that they are trying to build bridges with. Rouge line has had Rouge line has have had Marcus Rogers on his channel recently. He has not called him a heretic. He just says he sucks. I mean, come on. Well, you consider them brothers. Okay, listen, what I'm saying is, is that they're so called brothers. First written chapter six. Matter of fact, let's let's turn it for a second. I want I want to make sure that we are on the same page with this. What does the Bible say about those who persist in sin? What does the Bible say about those who are in sin, right? First Corinthians chapter six. I mean, first Corinthians chapter five, excuse me. First Corinthians five. It is actually reported that there is an immorality among you. He's talking to the church. There's an immorality among you in such an immorality of such a kind that does not exist even among the Gentiles that someone has his father's wife. You become arrogant have not mourned. So that the one who has done this deed will be removed from your midst. For I on my part, the text says, though absent in body, but present in spirit have already judged him who has so committed this as though I were present. In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled and I with you in spirit with the power of our Lord Jesus, I have decided to deliver such a want to Satan for the destruction of his flesh so that his spirit may be saved in a day of our Lord Jesus. Your boasting is not good. You not know a little 11, 11 is the whole up of dough. Clean up the old 11. So as you may be a new lump, just as you are, in fact, unleavened for Christ, our Passover also has been been sacrificed. Therefore, let us celebrate the feast, not with old 11, nor with the 11 of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. Verse nine. Here's what I want to hang on. He says, I wrote you in my letter, not to associate with immoral people. I did not. I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world. Do you see the contrast? Do you see the difference process? I'm not talking about the immoral people of this world or with the coverages and swindlers or with idolaters for then you have to go out of the world. But actually verse 11, I wrote to you not to associate with any, here it is, so-called brother. Suda Adelphos, fake so-called brother. If here it is, the condition, if he is in a more person or coverages or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or a swindler, not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outside as Paul says? Do you not judge those who are within the church but those who are outside God judges? Remove the wicked man from among us. If God says we do this kind of stuff, it's wicked. It's wicked. So all I'm saying is okay, well if you don't want to call him a non-brother, okay fine. But can we call him a so-called one? I mean last time I checked, what born-again believer, ladies and gentlemen, what born-again believer supports wolves? What born-again believer you know supports wolves? Spirits or predators? Tell me, who do you know supports wolves that come in to take advantage of God's sheep and they still be Christian? Just saying. That's my point. My concern is what are we telling people when we allow heretics and cape and cover for heretics and then those who are calling out the heretics and those who are warning the flock, we're being treated as the weirder heretics. I mean Alan Parr, he has a huge and massive following and yet you publicly say that you are supporting and trying to build a bridge with a wolf. That should cause all of us to hold people like that accountable. And being gifted does not make you godly. That's another thing. You can do a lot of good things, but remember, remember Balaam? How did God deal with Balaam? Balaam caused Israel to fall into sexual sin. He caused the people of God to fall into sin. God eventually judged them. We need to be very careful with our influence. We need to be very careful with who we affirm. That's my point. So, but let's continue. Did you know that the anger of a man is that of a woman because it's abnormal for men to be angry? And so any man that's angry has his mother identity. He's been recreated, her image. Did y'all hear that? I know y'all didn't hear what he said. I know y'all didn't hear what he just said. I know you didn't. Let me play it again. Did you know that the anger of a man is that of a woman because it's abnormal for men to be angry? And so any man that's angry has his mother identity. He's been recreated, her image. And this is the stuff that passes. This is the stuff that passes, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah. This guy has no clue what he's talking about. He acts as though he sounds profound and he sounds deep. Really, he sounds dumb. So this man says when you're angry, you're activation, you're acting like a woman. That's what he's saying. You're acting like a woman. So let's again, let's see, let's see what does the Bible have to say about people being angry? And is there an example where I know he feeds us for 26 tells us that we can be angry but don't sin. But are there times when we are justified and when we see sin and we respond in anger? Of course it is. Of course there is. Of course there is. Let's look at one particular text. Numbers chapter 25. Numbers chapter 25. Yes, this was an interview between Jesse Pagani. But I'll let you all be the judge on what he was saying. I just want to respond to some of the things he said. Numbers 25, we started verse 11 through 11. Now, while Israel remained as shittim, the people began to play the harlot with the daughters of Moab. For they invited the people to the sacrifices of their gods and the people ate and bowed down to their gods. So Israel joined themselves to Baal. Notice Israel joined themselves to Baal of Pior and the Lord was angry against Israel. The Lord said to Moses, take all the leaders of the people and execute them in broad daylight before the Lord so that the fierce anger of the Lord may turn away from Israel. So Moses and the judges said to the judges of Israel, each of you slay his men who have joined themselves to Baal of Pior. Then behold. Notice verse 6. Then behold. One of the sons of Israel came and brought to his relatives a Midianite woman in the site of Moses and in the site of all the congregation of the sons of Israel while they were weeping at the doorway of the tent of meeting. When Phineas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron, the priest saw it, he arose from the midst of the congregation and took a spear in his hand. And he went after the man of Israel into the tent and pierced both of them through, the man of Israel and the woman through the body. So the plague on the sons of Israel was checked. In other words, it was stopped. Those who died by the plague were 24,000. Then the Lord said to Moses, then the Lord spoke to Moses saying Phineas verse 11, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron, the priest has turned away my wrath from the sons of Israel in that he was jealous with my jealousy among them so that I did not destroy the sons of Israel in my jealousy. Do you see that? But notice God blesses Phineas for being as offended as God was. He says therefore say behold I give him my covenant of peace and it shall be for him and his descendants after him a covenant of a perpetual priesthood because he was jealous for his God and made atonement for the sons of Israel. Want to know who these people were? Now the name of the slain man of Israel who was slain with the meeting night woman was Zemri, the son of Salu, a leader of the father's household among the Simeonites. The name of the meeting night woman who was slain was Cosby, the daughter of Zer who was head of the people of a father's household in meeting. See, God has a problem calling out names of people out of the pocket. We just do. We just do. That's all. We don't the ones have problems with calling out names. We don't want to say the person's name. I want to say the person's name. No, no, sometimes it's necessary to say the name, especially when it's this type of kind of sin. Yeah, so Jesse again does not know what he's talking about and this is the kind of stuff that passes as though it's being profound and he has yet, I have yet to see him invite someone on his platform who would challenge and check him to repent for his false doctrine. To my knowledge, I have not, but let's continue. That's why God said that anyone, everyone who was born of the woman must be born of the spirit of the father. You must return to the father. That I do agree with you on, because the Bible talks about the split of adoption returning back to the father. Yeah, amazing. So do you hear that? I mean, he he he's confusing what being born again means. Now, ladies, I'm gonna tell you right now, I'm gonna give you a heads up right now. He is going to piss a lot of you off. Oh, he is chauvinism on steroids. Chauvinism on steroids is all I can, it's all I can tell you. Because again, his his his whole attitude and mentality and mindset is it's heretical. I mean, it really is it's it's it's it's beyond it's beyond reasoning. Because he really thinks that he knows what he's talking about and he doesn't. I mean, he really does not know what he's talking about, like in this clip right here. So you're married, right? Yes. And does your wife obey you? Yes. She obey? Yeah. Nice. 100%. My wife. Well, I don't impose as much as the chauvinistic type of thing. But my wife is one of the few last dying breeds that she follows me. You know, I'm the high priest at his house spiritually. And she supports me. And I'm like, God says, let's go this way. She's like, let me pray about it. Let's go. You know, I've never had that resistance with my wife. I absolutely adore my wife. She's a keeper. You know, she's from the old school. She's from the old school. Nice, man. She's not this new ones that you got to be like convincing. My wife is just an amazing, an amazing individual and everybody in the church will tell you tell you so. Not just because I'm saying it, but because she's the last she's the last of a dying breed. Is she younger than you? No, she's older than me. What? Yeah. How many years? Three years. Wow. A man should never marry a woman older than him. I didn't know that 20, 24 years ago. I didn't know that. Are you going to marry your mama and older women are, you know, they have a lot of issues. So it's like buying a used car or something. I've heard about that. I've seen the statistics on that the young boys marry their mamas. Yeah. I didn't grow up with my mamas in that regards because at the age of 14 through 22, I was in prison. So I don't know what that is. So I don't think that applies to me because I didn't have enough time to be raised by my mom to know what my mom would be like. Okay. Good observation. Good observation, sister Shareen. And that beats, yeah, high priest, high priest. No, priest, but not high. You may be high saying that, but high priest, you're not. So let me ask you all this question. What did you think about what he said about a woman a man should never marry a woman older than him? Do you agree with that? I put that in one of my YouTube shorts and I would encourage you all, if you have not gone to my YouTube channel, go over there and check out the YouTube shorts. I make one minute questions trying to see something and just to peak the minds and interests of individuals with random thoughts and random questions. Go over there and check it out. But that was one of the questions that I had pulled when I watched this interview. Do you believe that it is wrong or do you believe that a man should not marry a woman older than him? Yeah, he is. Oh, man. Ladies, y'all haven't heard anything yet. All I'll ask for y'all to do is don't block me. Don't block me. Don't unsubscribe from me. Don't get mad at me. All I'm doing is delivering the heretical male. That's all I'm doing. Probably, as you said, no, it's not wrong. Of course it's not wrong. Of course it's not. Here's what makes marrying anyone wrong, though. And we all should know this. You said somebody said that's the life of the hell, what Jerry said about a man, if he said that, that's great. I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised. As she says, I'm older than my husband. I'm older or you're older. You know how to mess with you. So here's what makes marrying anyone wrong regardless of age. Y'all want to know it, right? Let's see what the word of God says. Second Corinthians chapter 6, verse 14 to 17. Do not be bound together or do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. That's what makes any marriage wrong. You marry someone who's not a Christian. That's it. Now, of course, you know, you marry who you want to marry in the Lord. You may deal with some maturity issues, things of that nature. You want to be wise with that, but it's not a sin. It's not a sin for you to marry a woman someone older than you. Just as long and so far that that woman respects you as the head, respects you as her husband, and of course vice versa, right? But I want y'all to notice this as well too. Jesse has no BCV for the stuff he says. And then when he does, it's misinterpreted and misapplied. Do y'all notice that? Did y'all notice that? I'm pretty sure y'all did, but most of the stuff that this man has said, he has no biblical basis for it at all. He's just conjuring up foolishness out of his own mind. But the only prohibition for anyone marrying another person, and let me just say this because we even got to qualify that, the only prohibition for a man marrying a woman is that if they're not saved, you cannot marry them. Color has nothing to do with it. Class has nothing to do with it. None of that. What it has to do is your condition, your spiritual condition before God. Are you a son of Adam? Are you a son and daughter of God? That's it. Those are only two questions you need to ask yourself. Is this person saved and bearing fruit? Is this person saved and loves God and loves others and things of that nature? Or is this person not? And if they're not, there's nothing else to talk about. There's nothing else to dialogue, debate, or discuss. Nothing at all. Period. Okay. So hopefully everybody understands that. Yeah, senior, bro, yeah, do not say person because we're talking about men and women marriage. That's the only marriage. If we got qualified for everything now, bro. What about buddy who crawled out Jesse Lee Peterson on sexual allegation? He ran from that though. He's in running. Yeah, you see, I vaguely heard about that, but I hadn't really done any much that much research on it. But I vaguely heard about it. In some cases, women would agree with you on everything until a ring is on your finger. Well, my ring has been my wife's finger for almost 23 years by God's grace. And this is why I'm saying we have to be careful, right? We have to check everything now. Let me read a do. Yeah, I definitely know. Yeah, I definitely know my brother. Hey, believe it or use the mother YouTube comment. Okay, gotcha. Alright, so let's, let's, let's continue on. Let's continue on because there's more, there's more food just behind, behind Jesse Lee and his interview with Bugani. Let's go. So do you agree with me that that the God below is the woman's God and the God above is the man's God? I don't know what that means. You have to explain that to me right now. Like Satan is the woman's God and God, God, the God above and the God in us is the man's God. And it's the, it's the role of the man to bring the woman out of the hell that she's living in and not go into her hell. And because every time the man listened to the woman, he suffers because Satan is her daddy. Okay, so that sounds like false doctrine. So I would say 100%. No, that sounds like some esoteric Masonic type of Babylonian. I don't know what that sounds like, but it sounds like something along those lines. So I wouldn't, I would say that's false doctrine. Well, at least Bugani got it right on that. But ladies, I mean, did y'all, did y'all know that's, that's y'all spiritual condition? Let me ask you a question. Have y'all seen this interview? Have you seen this interview? Ladies, if you've seen this interview, put up a one. If you haven't put up a two and then say, I'm mad watching it now. If you've seen it, put up a one. If not, put up a two and say, I'm mad watching it now. If you haven't, because I haven't even, I haven't even, oh, man, I haven't even gotten to the, I mean, this, yeah, this, this, he's, he's, he's, he's moving under blasphemy train. He's definitely doing that. He's, he's, he's definitely doing that. So Hippolyta, you, you've seen it detox, you've seen it. AT, you said you have not seen it. My wife says she hasn't seen that. I should have, I should have warned her because my wife sees this kind of stuff. She gets, oh man, gala. Yep. I'm mad. What you see? Yeah. I'm just telling you, I may want to get a drink. I may have to give y'all a drink alert. You know what I'm saying? Put up a little drink, a little bottle, Hennessy on the screen, something like that. Y'all, y'all may have to get a strong one because this, this is not going to get any better. Yeah. Don't, don't it though? Don't it though, Dave? Some of you've seen it and some of you have not. Your wife is I'm glad she laughs at the foolishness. I'm glad she is. Yeah. You gotta have a wife to be a wife. And we're not condoning violence and nobody, that's just a joke. Y'all, that's just a joke. Yeah. He's a hilarious, he's a hilarious, listen, he's a hilarious heretic. That's what he is. He said, you've seen it. Okay. Yeah. It is ridiculous, isn't it? It is ridiculous. I ain't it though? A heretic is correcting a lost person. Brother, listen, you can't make this stuff up, senior. You can't, you can't make this stuff up. You said, you guys need to listen to what he says that. Yeah, I know. Listen, it's coming. So listen, listen, it's coming. Here we go. Okay. So in the beginning, is it true that Adam and his father was one and then one day the father decided, you know what, I'm tired of creating, I'm tired of creating human being with my hand from the dust. So I'm gonna make a woman from Adam so that she can have some babies. I'm sorry, I gotta laugh. This is, this sounds like theological parody, man. Like, this is where are you getting? This is the, that's the goofiest thing I've ever heard. But it's funny and it's hilarious and it just makes great content. I don't even know how to answer that. But I haven't finished yet. But isn't it true that God and Adam had a tight relationship and then he made the woman and the woman had a tight relationship with her husband, Adam. Okay. And then one day she went shopping in the garden against some Grease and Candy Ames and Okras. And she met the devil in over there in the garden. And they were like, Eve, you don't have to listen to that man. He could be your own woman. And she was like, no, I'm gonna listen to my husband. And so she went home and she told Adam that he had seen Satan in the garden. He was trying to convince her to turn against him. And Adam was like, no, don't listen to this woman. I mean, don't listen to the devil. She said, all right. So she went back shopping again. And this time she, she bought some apples and things like that, right? And then a saint said, you still listening to that man, Adam? She's like, yeah, don't listen to him. You could be your own woman. You can take your bra off. You could have killed the babies in the womb. You could be free. And she's like, yeah, that's right. And she believed a serpent. And when she believed a serpent, she no longer believed her man, her husband, Adam. And Satan became a God. And then she, Adam couldn't believe that she had listened to the devil. But now she wouldn't obey her husband because Satan was her God now. And then one day she made an apple pie and put a lot of mama love in it. And she put a lot of love in it and gave Adam a piece of the apple pie. And he listened to the woman and the woman became his God. And that's why God threw him out of the garden because Adam had listened to the woman who had listened to the devil. Did that happen? That has to be the most jacked up parable that I've ever heard concerning. That has to be like the ghetto version of the story of Genesis. That's a mixture of LA Compton and South Bronx version of the story of the fall of mankind. I don't even know how to answer that other than Reverend Jess, where you come up with this stuff? Like this, if this is the stuff swirling in your brain, oh my Lord, I don't even know how to answer that, sir. Because there's no way of answering this kind of foolishness. This foolishness is not of the Word of God. This is straight up demonic. He sprinkles a little bit of truth, but it's laced with lies. And I agree, Lilitha. Listen, it ain't even funny. It's like a fake laugh. It's not even funny. I agree. It's not funny at all. I mean, it is really not. Ainty? He's hitting something. Yes, he called him Rev. Yes, he did. Yes, he did. See, you're wrong, boy. Yes, he calls him Rev. I mean, I guess the thing that really gets to me is that people like Pagani and Ruslan and Alan Parr and these guys, they have no problem. They have absolutely no problem coming up and getting on these kinds of platforms and why? You have to ask yourself why? Why do you have no problem getting on these platforms to talk about stuff that has nothing to do with the saving grace and gospel of God, but platforms like ours, people that are supposed to be your brothers and sisters you avoid. I submit to you, ladies and gentlemen, brothers and sisters, and somebody even said it. It's a numbers game. It's a numbers game. These people are not trying to make disciples. These people try to make subscribers. Exactly, exactly proverbs. The point of the interview, dear, your guess is good as mine, sweetheart. Your guess is good as mine. No, they will not come up with sound brothers and sisters. They will not. They won't be caught dead doing it. I know for a fact, I know for a fact they don't want to come up with me. They've even said it to other people. Well, my name is mentioned. They're not, they're not even talking about it. No, no, no, no. He's a hater. He's this. He's that. All he does is attack, attack, attack. I've not attacked anybody. You just don't like the fact that I'm attacking your faulty and erroneous doctrine. And see, when you, when you challenge these people, it affects their numbers because what happens when they're proven to be wrong? What happens when they're proven to be an error? What happens when it's proven that they're deceiving people or leading people astray and they have arguments that they cannot biblically defend? Again, Alan Parr blocked me because I challenged him and called him out on him attacking people who voted for Trump. I got the screen. Listen, y'all know I got the receipts. He's the same person that talks about he don't tell people who to vote for and things like that. But then when people speak out and come forward and say that they voted for Trump or whatever the case might be, then he attacks these Christians. He attacks other, that's attacking. I mean, I got the screenshots. I got the receipts. And when I called him out on it, he played victim. And this is what these people do. So again, I just find it rather odd, rather interesting that people like Pagani, they have no problem whatsoever going on heretics platforms because it's about, again, it's about numbers. David, you said the closest ruse line comes to calling someone out is to say they said something out of pocket. Yep. I mean, all y'all do is just watch some of their videos. I can't even watch that many stuff because basically when I see that stuff is because somebody told me about it. I have no interest in watching it. None. Yeah, for real. Exactly, Liz. Exactly. But let's continue. Did the woman listen to the devil? I'd say yes. And when she listened to the devil, did he become her god? You know, I never, I don't know how to answer that. I don't know how to answer that because I don't, I would say yes, in essence, but I don't see the consequence of that decision happening until Adam actually joined in that. And then you see, you know, the realization of sin. So I would say, in essence, she was deceived. So yes, practically in the natural. And then Adam listened to the woman. Yes, he did. And as a result of listening to the woman, did the woman become his god? Okay, now that's a word play. And now that's a trick question there. How is that a trick question? What? I think it's, I think it's a trick question. How is a trick question? It's in the word. It's in the word. I know it's in the word, but I'm trying to figure out to what ends are you trying to get me to agree with you on what is it that you're trying to get me to agree with you on. So I'm like, I'm playing with, we're both playing a chess game. So I'm like, okay, in essence, yes. But if I say yes, what am I actually saying yes to, you know, that's kind of like, well, in that, in that regards, then I can say, looking at it in the natural, then I would say yes. Right. That wouldn't be the narrative perpetuated by Orthodox Christianity, but looking at it from the natural without excluding the religious aspect and the spiritual aspect of it, then I would say, I would say yeah. Why would, why would, why would Pagani even agree with that? The Bible doesn't say that Satan became their God. The Bible doesn't say that, that the man became Eve's God or vice versa. Nowhere does it say that nowhere. But see, when you don't, when you don't have a biblical leg to stand on, when you're not, when you're not confident in holding these charlatans and these pimps to task for the stupid and asinine things that they say, this is the result that you get. This is the kind of, the kind of, of, of, of him and, and, and, and, and Neo from the matrix dodging stuff. Exactly. It wasn't a trick question. It was a stupid question. Yeah. And then he puts up the quote, it's in the word, it's in the word. No, it's not. And then he agreed and said, it's in the word. Where? Where is it in the word? I can't look it up. I can't find it. It's nothing in the word that says that. Nothing. It's utter foolishness. But ladies and gentlemen, hold on to your seats. It gets worse. Then God said, because you listen to the woman, you shall suffer. Right. And so why do men listen to women nowadays because every time they listen to the woman, they suffer? I don't know how to answer that, but I would say that that's an accurate statement based on history. I would say that that's probably an accurate statement. To some degree, I would say yes. That's amazing, huh? I would say that would be that, that that's unfortunate, that that would be unfortunate. How about amazing? I would join you in amazing, because that's the name of our church, amazing church. That's right. And that's why God said that we must be born again of the father, because everyone that comes through the woman, born through the woman, is born into that evil nature. And we must be born of the spirit of the father. And unless men and women love their earthly father, they cannot love God. Because how can you say you love God? You've never seen him and hate your father. And oh, by the way, he's not talking about being born again by the spirit of God. He's talking about being born by your father's spirit, humanly speaking. This is esoteric, mystic mess. This is, this is nosticism of the worst kind. And notice he's not getting pushed back from begone on it. Not once. Yeah, listen, I know what you mean. I try to tell y'all, I try to tell you that it was going to get worse. It's getting worse and worse and worse and worse and worse. TLC says it says in the Bible, you are your father, the devil. So if God is our father, then the devil would be a God also if he is your father. Well, let Jesse tell you that. Now mind you, he said that women, listen, he said that the women, women, y'all are the problem. Y'all are the problem he's saying. He says that we need to be born, anybody that's born from the woman, we're going to be, we have to be born from our father's spirit. He's not talking about, he's not talking about the spirit of God through the blood of Christ. None of that. No, no, no, no. He's not talking about that because he's not, he does not believe that Jesus Christ is God. He doesn't believe that. And Pagani never pushed back and never challenged him on his understanding of what belief in Jesus Christ is. Hippolyta, you said that is an inaccurate statement all right. I actually remember God telling Abraham to carry out what Sarah had advised him when Sarah told Abraham to send Hagar her only son away. God told her, God told him to listen to your, listen to your wife. He sure did say that. Yes, he did. By Jesse, Peter's thinking Jesus was born of a woman and by the father, the devil is Jesus's father. Yeah, pretty much. Maybe look at it logically. I know Sheila. I know, I know, but, but let's look at some scriptures. Let's, let's see what the Bible say about love and how and do we do women? Because remember, he's talking about women. He's talking about women. He's not talking about really about men and let's miss men are being weak and then he calls them names and insults. Yeah, he's a misogynist among other things. He's definitely misogynist among other things. But let's look at the text. Matthew 22 verse 37 to 39 and he said to him, you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind. The second is, this is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it. You shall love your neighbor as yourself. These two commandments depend the whole law and the prophets, right? So you're not just supposed to love your father, you're supposed to love your neighbor as yourself. First John chapter five verse 20, first John chapter five and verse 20. And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding that we might know him who is true and we are in him and in the Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God in eternal life. Jesse does not know what he is talking about. I mean, needless to say, we've been, the jury's been back on that verse 20 of first John four. If someone says I love God and hates his brother, he is a liar for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from him that the one who loves God should love his brother also. It's not just for women and their fathers. No, it's for all of us. But let Jesse tell you all, women, y'all are the problem. Y'all are the problem. Let Jesse tell you. But just when you think you can get any, any worse, it does. Do you listen to your wife? I would listen. I would say yes. But you don't take our advice though, right? I ask her advice. So if I'm asking her advice, I'm already taking her advice if I'm asking it. And why do you ask her advice about evil things? I ask her advice on anything that I feel that I can't handle myself. I would say as a joint air with me, I would say as I help me, what's your thoughts on this? I would like your input on this and she'd give me her valuable thought. That was a good question. I mean, you know, actually a good answer, excuse me, a good answer. Um, he didn't capitulate too much on that. He kind of, he kind of, you know, gave a, a reference to, to what the Bible teaches about this. So let's, let's see. Let's, let's look at the scriptures. I don't know if he's mad at an idea. I hope and pray to God he isn't. But I wouldn't be surprised if he's not. But let's look at the Word of God. Let's see what the scriptures teach. First Peter chapter three, verse seven. If you have, if you have been following this channel for any length of time, you have heard me say this to the men, your wives are your prayer plumb line. How many of you have heard me say this that the wife is the prayer plumb line. The wife is the prayer plumb line. It doesn't mean that she's the pope or anything like that, but it does mean in practical applications on how we are to treat them. God says, you better treat them right. And I ain't trying to be like chubb rock. But verse seven, first Peter chapter three, it says you husbands in the same way, in the same way, what? Why would, why would Peter say in the same way? Because he's referring to the wives and how they are to relate to their husbands and respect and submit to their husbands, even if he does not obedient to the word, whether he's a say it or not or whatever. But if he's, if he's not obedient to the word, he said that you are to carry yourself as one that's not trying to manipulate, but to win them over without a word. You husbands in the same way, notice live with your wives in an understanding way. As with someone weaker since she is a woman, he's not talking about psychologically or anything of that nature. How do we know that? Because he says that she's a fellow heir since she is a woman and show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life. Why? Why do I do this, Peter? Do you want your prayers answered? Yeah. You want God to hear you? Yeah. You want the favorite God on your life? Of course I do. Then show her honor so that your prayers will not be hindered. Notice he didn't say, listen, listen, listen, let me, let me highlight a case some of y'all didn't get this. Whose prayers did he say not be hindered? He says you husbands so that your prayers are not hindered. You know how some of us, some of us husbands can have our prayers hindered by listening to other husbands. I don't know what the heck they're talking about or by listening to people like Jesse or Pagani or people who do not have a biblical worldview regarding marriage. This is how you can have your prayers hindered. Yeah. That's how. Just take my word for that one. Okay. Don't try to challenge me on that one. Just take my word on that one. Okay. If you want, if you want God to hear you, treat your wives with respect and all of us should be striving for that. Amen. Let's continue. It is Jesus the Son of God or God. I believe he's the Son. Here we go, y'all. Here we go. I'll tell you whether it get worse. You can't get any worse than this when you're dealing with the Godhead or the dismissal of the Godhead. Here we go. Is Jesus the Son of God or God? I believe he's the Son of God. Why do some people, a lot of, especially evangelical Christians and others do believe that Jesus is God? Where did they get that idea from? Yeah, but I do believe Jesus is God. I believe Jesus is God manifested in the flesh, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, three persons in one. But I do believe, I thought you was asking, do I believe in the person and the deity of Christ? So, in that, in that regards, he's the Son of God, the only begotten of God. So, yeah. Let me restate. I'm Orthodox in my belief system. I believe Jesus is God manifested in the flesh. Let me restate the questions. I'm black and slow. And I'm Latino and retarded a little bit. Like I'm a little bit, you gotta help me a little bit. That's right. And so is Jesus the Son of God or God? Son of God, God, three in one. You're not going to get me to shake out of that. I know that sounds weird. I can't really fully explain it. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. I believe I'm a Trinitarian. In the word, in the scriptures, in the word, in the beginning of the word, in the word. Does Jesus say he's the Son or does he say I'm God? I believe that he says he is the Son. But when he's asked, is he God, he says, if you see me, you see, you see God. Because he and his Father are one, but he never said he was God. He said, my Father sent me. He didn't say I sent me. He said, my Father sent me. Right. It's clearly stated that God is God, his Father, and he is the Son, but he is not God. Right. Okay. So now you're getting into modalism and modalism is a false doctrine and that's heresy. Modalism. I don't know. We know this one. Where I know this, right? I don't even have to read it. I'll just let you look at it. I'll give you all a minute. I'll give you you a minute. Let's look at the next one. John 8, 56 through 59. This is Jesus. Oh, it's Jerry here. It's Jerry's kids here. Didn't get a chance to go through all of this stuff, but it's Jerry's kids here. This is Jesus talking to the Pharisees, the Jews. He says, your Father Abraham rejoiced to see my day and he saw it and was glad. So the Jews said to him, you are not yet 50 years old and have you seen Abraham? Jesus said to him, or to them, excuse me, truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am. You think the Jews knew what he meant by that? Bet you by golly, wow, they did. Therefore they picked up stones to throw at him. Why would they pick up stones to throw at him? Because he just said, I am because the Jews knew exactly what Jesus was referring to when he said, I am because he referenced Exodus chapter 3 verse 14 and God said to Moses, I am who I am. John 11, we already know that. John 17, 5, we know that. Jesus' high priestly prayer, verse 24 of John 17, they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself in the temple, John chapter 10, as if that wasn't enough. John chapter 10, verse 27 through 33. My sheep hear my voice. I know them and they follow me and I give eternal life to them. That should be enough right there because only God can give eternal life. Amen? Right? I give eternal life to them and they will never perish and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My father who has given them to me is greater than all and no one is able to snatch them out of the father's hand. I and the father are one. Verse 30, verse 31, the Jews picked up stones again. So in chapter 8, verse 56 to 59, they had picked up stones. Jesus kept on talking and they picked up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them. Verse 32, I showed you many good works from the father. For which of them are you stoning me? The Jews answered him. For a good work we do not stone you, but for blasphemy. And because you being a man, make yourself out to be God. Now, I wish Pagani would. Pagani won't come up with me, Shonda. Sorry, he won't. He won't. I've already reached out to him. He doesn't want to talk to me. Some things you should just know, my brother. Some things you should just know. I'm sorry, Sheila. I'm sorry. My apology. Take you a little, what do you call it? A little tidy. I think that's what you call it, right? So notice you said you make yourself out to be God. This is why we stoning you. The Jews knew what Jesus was talking about. The Jews knew what he meant. Let's think of some more texts. Is that okay? I love this one. I love this one. John chapter five, verse 17 and 18. But he answered them. My father was working until now and I myself am working. For this reason, therefore, the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him because he was not only breaking the Sabbath, but was also calling God, his own father, making himself equal with God. Jesus, you sure know how to make him know what you're trying to talk about and make him know what you're saying, huh, Jesus? Luke chapter seven, verse 48. Then he said to her, remember the woman with the box, alabaster box. For this reason, I say to you, her sins, which I have been many, which I many have been forgiven, for she loved much, but he who was forgiven a little loves a little. Then he said to her, your sins have been forgiven. Your sins, the woman, have been forgiven. Verse 49. Those who were reclining at the table with him began to say to themselves, who is this man who even forgives sins? And he said to the woman, your faith has saved you. Go in peace. But this two chapters earlier, Luke five, verse 21, I believe. Yes, verse 21, Luke five, the scribes in the Pharisees. I hope you hope you listen to this, Jesse, the scribes in the Pharisees began to reason saying, who is this man who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God alone? But Jesus aware of their reasonings answered and said to them, why are you reasoning in your hearts? Which is easier to say your sins have been forgiven or to say get up and walk? I mean, which one is easier? It's easier to say your sins have forgiven me says, but so that you may know that the son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins. He said to the paralytic, I say to you, get up and pick up your stretcher and go home. Not only not only are your sins forgiven, but pick up your stretcher, your mat, your bed and go home immediately. Verse 25. He got up before them and pick up what he had been lying on and went home glorifying God. Glorifying him. And that's what the text says. That's what mine says. Titus chapter one verse 13 and 14, just a few, just a few, just a few, just a few, excuse me. Titus chapter two, 13, 14. Looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God, notice and savior and savior Christ Jesus. Looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and savior Christ Jesus. He says that Jesus ain't God. I believe my case has been made. Any Christian's case has been made, but just for the sake of review, let's go back to Revelation again. Chapter one and verse eight. I am the Alpha and the Omega says the Lord God who is and who was and who is to come the Almighty. Verse nine. I, John, your partaking fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Christ Jesus or in Jesus was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. I was in the spirit on the Lord's day, which was a Sunday and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet saying, write it in a book what you see and send it to the seven churches to Ephesus and Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyre Tyre and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea. Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me and having turned I saw seven golden lamp stands and in the middle of the lamp stands I saw one like a son of man clothed in a robe reaching to the feet and girded across his chest with a golden sash. His head and his hair were white like wool, white as snow and his eyes were like a flame of fire. He ain't talking about Ned the wine on good times. Stop it. His feet were like burnish bronze when it has been made to glow in a furnace and his voice was like the sound of many waters and in his right hand he held seven stars and out of his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword and his face was like the sun shining in his strength when I saw him verse 17 when I John saw him I fell at his feet like a dead man and he placed his right hand on me right hand authority and he placed his right hand on me saying do not be afraid. I am the first and the last and the living one and I was dead and behold I am alive forevermore and I have the keys of death and Hades therefore write the things which you have seen and the things which are and the things which will take place after these things. As for the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in my right hand and the seven golden lampstands the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches and the seven lampstands are the seven churches. You just have to read that. Didn't have a chance and have time to read it to that fool the other day and that's exactly what he is. He's a fool. The Bible said the fool said in his heart there is no God and he does not believe that Jesus Christ is God and neither does this fool that we're talking about tonight. Let's continue. When he said father forgive them they know not what they do. Was he talking to himself? No he was not talking to himself. Who was he talking to? Was he calling himself father? He was talking to the father. So another identity right? Not himself. God in three persons. He was talking to his father right? He was talking to his father. In that instance he was talking to his father. If he was God why didn't you just say I forgive y'all? I don't know why he didn't do that because he wasn't a God man. I don't know why he didn't do that and I don't care. You should care for Ghani because the Bible tells us in 1 Peter 3 verse 15 we're always giving an answer for the reason but I hope that we have it in us but do it with reverence and respect. That's what the Bible says. So far not a good look Ghani. Not a good look at all. Jesus in his humanity was praying showing his disposition on the cross to those who were abusing and beating him and crucifying him. His heart attitude was father forgive them. Now we already know we just read that Jesus being God had authority to forgive sins. That's already clear. We just read that. We just read that. So it's not that he didn't have the power to do it. He did have the power to do it but he's showing us the disposition of one as 1 Peter talks about when he was when he was reviled. He did not revile in return when suffering he uttered no threats but kept entrusting himself to the one who judges right usually. That's why because he was interceding for those who were murdering him and yes he could have said I forgive them but here's another thing and this is a freebie. This is a freebie. He said father forgive him forgive them. It was a prayer. That's all it was. It was a prayer a sincere one of course but it was a prayer. Did the father forgive the Jews? Answer not until they confessed and repented and asked to forgiveness is only granted upon confession and repentance. We should have the disposition as our Lord as Stephen as the apostles teach. We should have a disposition and attitude to be ready and willing to forgive but we do not dispense. We do not relinquish forgiveness. We do not confer forgiveness until confession the acknowledgement of the sin has been made. Just listen just like Jesus did with us. 1 John 1 9 just as Paul tells us in Ephesians 4 we're to forgive just as God through Christ Jesus forgave us. How did he forgive us through confession of our sins and repentance? Forgiveness has always been always been conditioned upon confession and repentance. So hopefully that makes sense. We're almost done. Just wanted to give that to you as well. Did he talk about the trinity yet? Let me see. Does the Bible talk about trinity? Does it mention the word trinity? Absolutely not. And how did y'all come up with trinity? The Nicene Creed invented the concept of the term trinity and it is accepted by the established Orthodox Christian churches as a word that we've embraced but the word trinity is not the Bible. Why do you embrace it when it's not of the word? Because the concept is there. That's like me not saying go read your Bible. I'm not going to tell somebody not go read your Bible. What am I going to say? Go read the law of Moses. Go read the New Testament. I mean you can't say that but there's nothing wrong with saying go read your Bible. See what I'm saying? So there's nothing wrong with saying I believe in trinity is just a word. It really is just a word. But word could be deceiving. Well I agree with you with that. A word can be deceiving but the word trinity is not deceiving. I think it's deceiving to this generation because we got transatlantic trauma and we just don't want anything that has to do with the colonizers. So I think that's a whole another topic there. What in the world did that have to do with anything? What does colonization have to do with the trinity? When I heard that I was just shaking my head I was like what are you talking about? What are you talking about? First of all, the council did not see it and invent anything. The trinity was not invented. The trinity is found in the pages of holy scripture. It wasn't invented. The term actually came from a lawyer named Tertullian. That's all but it wasn't invented or I really wish he would have you know anyway. I can wish all I want. Genesis chapter 1 verse 26. You want to see the trinity? You want to see the Godhead? Right here in the first book of the Bible. Then God said let us make man in our image according to our likeness and let them rule over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the sky, over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth. Matthew chapter 3, baptism of our Lord verse 16 and 17. At the being baptized Jesus came up immediately from the water and behold the heavens were open and he saw the spirit of God descending like a dove lighting upon and lighting on him. Excuse me and behold a voice out of the heaven said this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased. Now I'm not trying to insult anybody's math. I just want to make sure that all of our math is math thing okay. How many persons do we see in verse 16 and 17? Follow along with me shall we? Jesus at the being baptized Jesus that's one person right came up immediately from the water and behold the heavens were open and he saw the spirit of God descending as a dove. How many persons is that so far? How many persons is that? I ain't trying to insult the math but I want to make sure everybody's math is mathin'. So far we have one that's Jesus two so far right right verse 17 and behold a voice a voice out of the heavens said this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased. How many persons is that ladies and gentlemen? How many? How many persons is that? How many persons do we see in this text in verse 16 and 17? Thank you Sherene. I got you sis. I got you and a third exactly. So we see three all making their cameo appearance at the baptism of our Lord not modes persons persons let's look at another one John chapter 14 verse 16 Jesus speaking about the spirit I don't know what I don't know where Pagani gets colonization from I don't know what what does this have to do with anything I'm talking about the canon description you talking about colonization what let's see let's see if we can we can get three out of this one okay TLC yeah I'm not really sure what you're talking about you're definitely so wrong you're so wrong wrong no more wronger than two left shoes on an amputee a voice is not a person God is not a person only Jesus is a person uh you may want to do your study upon theology proper and christology and pneumatology this showed you he tells us clearly this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased but let me continue here he says verse 16 I see that that's one I will ask the father that's two right and he would give you another helper that he may notice that he may be with you forever and just in case we don't know spirit of truth spirit of truth just right there 2nd Corinthians chapter 13 and 14 are we good we all right I know a pronoun huh ooh a pronoun not not the he 2nd Corinthians 13 14 the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ the love of God and fellowship of the Holy Spirit notice these persons notice notice the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ notice and so it's not just talking about one and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all yeah the Bible the Bible teaches trinity it really does not really sure what never really sure what uh Jesse talking about but when you're when you're not saying you say stupid stuff I would encourage him to do so as well too built for speed 101 yeah now as a pronouns TLC check your biblical grammar immediately expeditiously expeditiously but here here's where here's where your boy punks out you're ready here we go which is worse abortion for the blacks or the civil rights movement no comment what comment why not catch me on that one there's no wrong there's there's there's there's no right answer there if I say both you'll say the civil right the civil civil rights movement if I say the opposite then there's no answer to that I because they both is horrific you're right about that but I'll let you well allegedly that's what you say when you mean meaning I'm cleaning my hands on that I'll let you say that I didn't say that so I'm not going to get caught up that I said that you said that so I'm just listening to my host tell me their particular views on that if that wasn't a cop out and a whack and punkish way of not answering a question I don't know what else is you talk about a softball question you're talking about I mean under slow pitch telling them what you're going to throw to them no comment that that's that let me play it again which is worse abortion for the blacks or the civil rights movement no comment and then you're laughing what's so funny what's so funny the civil rights movement has nothing on the massacre of over 20 million black babies since 1973 I mean this is this is totally ridiculous what a weak way of answering the question according to this clock right here according to this clock right here number of abortions you can go to number of abortions.com and you can pull that up the clock is still ticking but he doesn't want to answer the question and you have a heretic basically telling another one that abortion is worse abortion is worse but let him tell it no it's not it's not it's not worse it's no comment I rather not say anything it's no it's no it's no comment talk about weak sauce I mean utterly unbelievable I'm just unbelievable now that is amazing in a negative sense but this is this is what he this is what he believes he he can't even answer a straight question something is something as simple as that and you would think that he would you know would get it right something as simple as that that would that would be clear that that would be clear nope and Jesse turns right around and circles the wagons and comes at him again um let no man teach you isn't that true um Jesus didn't say that the apostle John said that in first John chapter two he said you have the anointing you have no man to teach you so Jesus didn't actually say that John said that and so when it was there why do preachers still teach their congregation the word and get them stuck intellectually with the word which prevent them from ever knowing God why do they teach them when it was instructed not to teach okay I don't know if it's based on the instructions of not to teach but I would say he said that we have the Holy Spirit he would bring all things to us he would teach us then we have a teacher within so why do preachers still teach when they were told not to teach okay so let me let me I do agree with you on that because I do teach I do teach that before the law of Moses all of the patriarchs had no bible but they had a relationship with God so what you're saying is I actually do teach that you know pre pre deluvian Noah Enoch Adam Cain Abel all of the patriarchs pre deluvian flood before the law of Moses came uh 3500 years later um was dealing Abraham Isaac Jacob they were dealing directly with God and God taught them himself and they had a relationship relationship with God now the reason for the giving of the law is very simple because of the the bible actually tells you because of man's transgressions and sin because if there's no law given then I can continuously sin and then use the excuse of you never told me you ain't never tell me so I'm just going to live this lifestyle so this is why we find all those bible stories with some of the most craziest things that ever happened incest and this and that well they couldn't get condemned for it to some degree because there was no law no law given the law was given for transgressions to show us exactly how God wanted us to live ideally it was to live to serve God from the heart to serve God from the heart a new heart a new flesh I'm going to give you where you have no man to teach you so I do agree with you on that but because of sinful nature the presence of sin still available I believe pastors and teachers are there to tell us what God does it like because we still have a sinful nature but I do agree with you to some degree that in the beginning they didn't have they didn't have a bible that's amazing Ephesians 4 11 12 and he gave some as apostles and some as prophets and some as evangelists and some as pastors and teachers why did you do that why did you do that Lord for the equipping of the saints for the work of service to the building up of the body of Christ until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the of the knowledge of the Son of God to a mature man to the measure of the stature which belongs to fullness of Christ as a result verse 14 we are no longer be children tossed here and there by the way by ways and cared about by every wind of doctrine by the trickery of man by craftiness and deceitful speak in deceitful scheming that's why because people like Jesse Lee Peterson that's why but it's the same guy that like you yeah eight man proverbs I'm gonna say the same thing it's the same guy talk about the five four minutes we though let me just stop it James chapter three verse one James says let not many of you become teachers he just said like that let not none of you let not many of you become teachers why let not many of you become teachers my brother knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment this this is man I just let's continue on let me let me let me come on verses act chapter eight verse 30 and 31 we all know the story Philip and the Ethiopian unit Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and said to the Ethiopian unit do you understand what you're reading and he said the Ethiopian unit and he said well how could I unless someone guides me and he invited Philip to come up and sit with him now the passage of scripture which he had he was reading was this he was led to sleep to sweep the slaughter and as the land before his sheer silence so he does not open his mouth and humiliation his judgment was taken away who will relate his generation for his life is removed from the earth the unique answered Philip and said please tell me of whom does the prophet say this of himself or someone else verse 35 then Philip opened his mouth and beginning from this scripture preached Jesus to him ladies and gentlemen I submit to you that preaching involves teaching preaching involves teaching Matthew 23 verse 10 if you know the context of what Jesus is talking about you wouldn't you would never say something as stupid as Jesse Lee Peterson said do not be called leaders or teachers or the source of all instruction that's really what it means for one is your teacher or one is your leader that is Christ but notice what he also says but do not be called rabbi for one is your teacher and you are all brothers do not call anyone on earth your father so I have a father anybody got fathers in their in their life or had a father if he's still on if he's still alive or whatever he's not saying you can't call you your your your natural father father he's saying source of life that's what a Catholic church gets it messed up this this is why this is why James 3 says what he says like not many of you become teachers Jesse needs to he needs to shut up let me just put it that way so when he makes that that statement he does not know what he's talking about although he's he thinks he does he's a strong and wrong in his assessment but again remember I said he he said uh he asked Pagani which is worse which is worse the civil rights movement or abortion which one is worse and and he didn't want to answer the question and Jesse Lee Peterson later in that conversation he came right back around and I can say before he circled the wagons and hit him again true or false abortion is worse than slavery no comment um you have to catch me with that one is abortion evil yes so abortion the question of abortion being worse than slavery you don't want to answer but you'll say abortion is evil why not why not answer the question why not answer the question you see this is this is this is what fear of man looks like ladies and gentlemen this is what fear of man looks like clear question deserves a clear straightforward answer and he gives neither he came to this man twice on the subject of abortion a person who is a heretic has better sense to know that abortion is worse than a civil rights movement and abortion is worse than slavery and this guy refuses to answer but but you but you love the black community but you but you you don't love us enough to tell us the truth though see people like them oh yeah I'm always looking at them sus if you can't tell me the truth about the condition of my people or the condition of people in general that you're not a faithful ambassador for christ you a yes man you a yes man and you'll do whatever it takes and all I'm showing you all ladies and gentlemen Pagani, Ruslan, Alan Parr all of them anyone that refuses to speak the truth to heretics and false teachers you cannot be on god's team on god's side you can't you can't because if I love you and tell you the truth even if it hurts your feelings a clear question he can even give a clear answer because he's a coward and oh by the way cowardice if persisted leads you to hell matter of fact it's the first sin in revelation that goes to the lake of fire he says the cowardly he doesn't even he doesn't even say the homosexual first he says the cowardly first what does that tell you what does that tell you god takes cowardice more serious than we do but this is the this is doesn't surprise me me it doesn't surprise me because people like Jesse Lee Peterson he loves he loves going and aiming for low hanging fruit see people he oh no by the way Jesse Lee Peterson did his homework Jesse Lee Peterson did his homework he knew the kind of person to get on his platform he knew I mean Jesse is stupid but he ain't dumb he's hellbound but he's not dumb he did his he did his reconnaissance he surveyed the ecclesiastical land of Christendom and he found a weak one another one by the name of Alex Bagani and we wonder why the world looks at the church as a joke well number one because we don't have people standing up for the truth and those who do they don't have the platforms those who do they're the ones that get silenced and counselors and shut down or don't get the the proper recognition as a fellow co-laborer in Christ as they should we are all part of the kingdom of God those of us who represent God's kingdom and we all should be recognized for the work that we do to the glory and honor of God if I'm not able to read somebody and you can why would I play a crab and be like a crab and pull you down because I can't come up and that's a lot of the attitude and mindset of a lot of people in the church today and on social media they don't want to see people like me come up they don't want to see people like other brothers and sisters come up because it affects their numbers it is though people can't subscribe to more than one channel that's why it's all a numbers game it is all a numbers game and the reasons why reasons why people like Jesse Lee Peterson will never I don't believe and I'll be I'll be surprised and shocked if he ever brings me on I'm not I know he won't because he didn't bring me on before in fact he hung up on me when I challenged him regarding his erroneous view of in his heretical view as well of the godhead and of the bible good morning good morning good morning yeah great I was uh calling I had one day uh clarify a question that uh was was uh was stated uh about adam to eve and satan yes and this is for the uh bible go to guy yeah okay i wanted to clarify did you say that adam that eve asked adam uh why was satan so angry oh he did oh so you said eve asked satan himself okay uh do you have a scripture to support that you want yeah what verses that the book of who oh it's not it's not in genesis what bible is that oh you have the apocrypha okay okay you in the apocrypha some of them were left out that it's in the book of jude right in the book of jude and there's other books my question my question and the books adam and eve are very compelling books and I think they should have actually been added in and yeah but they weren't why the bombing fathers didn't put them in well they didn't because it did not pass the test of canonicity so therefore my question my question it is and I'm asking according to them well well the them the them that we have is comprised of those that there were the uh the church fathers that uh that most uh uh biblical scholars excuse me well it was not based on opinion another group of uh intellectual pain well here's the here's the question that I wanted I wanted I was willing to ask because uh um um you believe what he's saying about no because the bible doesn't support that and and and the person that's speaking to you don't believe it because you don't see that in the bible even though you know there are some things that were missing from the bible well well we will be most that are not missing well we will we have you can only believe it if you see it in the bible that's the only way you can well you know what I what I believe just is what the bible is what the bible I did I am asking the question if it's not in the bible right it's not in the bible I don't believe it so what are you right well well the bible the bible that that I have as a Protestant minister of the gospel is the bible oh okay he hung up on me just like that and I guess here's my question y'all how how come folk keep hanging up on your boy that that's what I want to know how come folk always hanging up on me I mean first it was first it was Jesse Lee Peterson back and this was that was back in 2013 by the way this was 10 years ago that I I called uh Jesse Lee Peterson's show because he was making heretical statements I was warning I have been warning people for years to stop thinking and believing that people like Jesse Lee Peterson is because they have an R next to their name voting for someone that that makes them righteous just because you are a republican does that make you redeemed just because you claim to be a conservative does not mean that you are in Christ I've said that before and I'm going to say that again we always talk about democrats we always call them demon crafts we already say that a person that's a democrat can't be a Christian okay I got you on that if that's what they hold to and if that's their position that they believe those positions and policies of the democrat party no christian supports that but neither are you a christian because you claim to be conservative or because you watch Sean Hannity or because you watch Larry Elder or because you you follow Mark uh uh Mark Levin I ain't gonna I'm gonna probably none of these dudes but if they're not in Christ they're going to hell period I don't care who you are if your are is not drenched in the blood of the lamb you're going to hell if that's see for conservative is not behind the cross you're going to hell your party doesn't save you the person in the work of Jesus Christ saves period and a lot of these people get a pass a lot of these people get a pass because they are conservative and I know what I'm talking about because every time I mention anything about the republican party or about the conservative uh group people want to oh brother let's be careful now let's be careful I ain't gonna be careful about nothing I know what I'm talking about I'm not pulling up punches I meant what I meant and I say what I said like I'm back it up biblically Jesse Lee Peterson is no more saved than satan's sister okay he's not and I don't care who you vote for in the sense of this just because you vote republican doesn't get you in the kingdom yeah we can glean from the policies that's good and all that kind of stuff praise God for that but at the end of the day how am I representing Christ as his slave as his ambassador that's the question am I making him look good that's the question but I always wonder why I'm getting hung up on by folk every time and these so-called Christians these so-called preachers that claim to to love God's people but when you challenge them they took tail and run that happened 10 years ago in 2013 and it happened again with this guy I don't hear you what to do at your place and you don't tell me what to do in mind so I get off my phone like how come you don't want me man I can't get no can't get no love can't get no love from these so-called Christians y'all I'm just saying again challenge him Terry Anderson and him allowing heretics and race hustlers like Al Sharpton to preach at his church called him he tells me you can't tell me to do my church sir that ain't your church you didn't purchase it with your own blood God did through the person of Jesus Christ he did and we're sealed by his spirit so we belong to him God's people don't belong to you but see this is the attitude of mentality and mindset so I say all that to say this as I close ladies and gentlemen we better start being discerning we better start telling people what the truth of God's word says if you're going to be God's mouthpiece be the best mouthpiece you can for the glory of God be faithful in the lane in the sphere that God has you in and we trust God with the results period point blank in the story I'm done two hours if you like this video please share it please if you don't mind support this channel and others like it definitely appreciate your your your gifts preacher to support financial support you can do that by again clicking the donation link below at the bottom of the video we definitely 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brothers and sisters in Christ who we are interceding for right now will be covered and be shielded and protected that there will be no damage be no loss we know what you're able to do and that is why we're asking nothing is impossible with you and so Father we lift up our brothers and sisters in Christ with each and every one of them by name and even those we do not remember and know by name but you do so we trust in your grace and in your favor and in your will and we rest in that allow us Heavenly Father to know that you are with us and you have never left us no forsaken us we thank you in Jesus mighty and blessed name amen amen you all have a great evening y'all know the drill whatever you do due to the glory on him God God bless you're still here it's over go home go thank you for sharing this night God bless you good night