 All right, so you're strength training and now you're looking for a competition to test yourself with In today's episode, we're gonna talk to you about why powerlifting Is better the bodybuilding for the vast majority of you if you're gonna pick a competition choose powerlifting This one's going to start a totally start a fight. Yeah, feel pretty good about what side we're on. Yeah That's hilarious some tough guys, you know, but we have to so Training or workout wise we have to be clear here Like there are principles of bodybuilding and principles of powerlifting that are very valuable So we're not specifically talking about like the workouts, right? Cuz like bodybuilders tend to focus on the muscle the feel the pump lots of angles They'll use more like variety in their exercises kind of stuff There's nothing wrong with that lots of value power lifters tend to train heavier focus more on certain lifts They don't necessarily try to feel the muscle, but rather perfect the movement. There's lots of value on that as well This is really more about Like if you're gonna start to compete This is where things start to get really different because bodybuilding competition and part of the competition Super different not only that but I think that we've we've communicated this for a long time on the podcast And we get a lot of live caller We just had one the last last time we did live callers that I think we push two people in this direction And I think we've done that a lot I think this is an episode that we're putting together to kind of explain ourselves, right? There's I think there we distilled it down to six reasons why We think that or why we tend to push people in that direction rarely ever or maybe if ever have we ever Gave some of the advice like you should go do bodybuilding Yeah, you know think about that for a second of all the questions We've answered all the topics we've done all the live Q&A's that we've done Have you ever have we ever told someone you should probably do bodybuilding But how many times have we told somebody you should do a powerlifting all the time all the time all the time Today's giveaway on YouTube Maps powerlifts If you want to win that do this leave a comment below this video the first 24 hours that we drop this episode Subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications if you win will let you know in the comment section We also have a sale going on right now Maps performance is half off and our extreme fitness bundle That's a bundle of programs is also half off if you're interested Just click on the link at the top of the description below. All right back to the show Yeah, so this is really about the comp the competition and the culture around the competition because there's also a culture I've been around both I've been around Bodybuilding culture and I've been around powerlifting culture and they both have their pluses and minuses But in general I'd say the powerlifting culture is I would say healthier Now I'm not gonna say healthy because there's definitely unhealthy aspects of it as well Sure, but it's it's generally a better culture But I think the first thing to talk about with this and why we tend to this is probably the number one reason why we recommend powerlifting over bodybuilding is its performance based not aesthetic based right it's about What you can put up on the bar or what you can lift Not how you look in the mirror and this I learned the value of this early on as a trainer when I trained my very first Client who told me that they had just come out of a eating disorder They had just gotten treatment for anorexia in fact her mom hired me her mom hired me and said hey my daughter is recovering anorexic and Exercise was recommended I'd like for you to train her and I got in contact with this young lady's Therapist because I didn't know was there anything I should or shouldn't do or say and the therapist said don't weigh her Don't talk about how she looks focus entirely on how strong she is in the gym And it was like a light bulb like of course because she's gonna have to feed herself well if she's just looking at that Yeah, there's just a lot more psychological benefits to focusing on getting stronger and Really being diligent about mastering a few lifts So that's the other part of this whole thing is that we've reduced it now Down to just like a very few Exercises that we're really gonna hyper focus on in practice and be disciplined with improving upon Versus like taking on all I mean just look at the the type of volume and the type of like exercise Like novelty and all this like in in comparison with bodybuilder training It just kind of like takes a lot of that Pressure of like having to know a whole lot versus like we're just gonna hyper focus on this aspect I think this is actually more about what powerlifting is not rather than what powerlifting is. Yeah, so For sure a large portion of people that get into exercise Get into it because of some sort of an insecurity You know, you had a spouse or a friend tell you that you were fat or overweight Or somebody teased you when you were growing up about being really skinny and you didn't have any muscle or You know some girl that you had a crush on said something about your body or made fun of your calves They're like, you know, there's all these things that That have driven a lot of people into exercising that is not The healthiest way to start your journey and many of us get stuck in that Insecurity and a lot of the motivation that gets us up to work out and what makes us choose certain supplements and certain diets Is based off of this insecurity that we have I think that was more common than it wasn't common with my clients And so when I when I think of this argument It's less about all the valuable things that powerlifting offers, which it does. I'm not arguing that It's more that what it is not and what it is not it is not this You know, it's not a hyper focus on your yes It's not a challenge about how you look over image Yeah, and I and I actually think that this conversation and Kind of philosophy around training that we all had as trainers with clients is more important today than it's ever been because of Instagram it has heightened this already. So that was our word. This was both pre Instagram. This is the same the advice We gave this advice pre Instagram that this is yeah Hey, probably better route for you to focus on there were magazines. That's it right right and and yet This was a major issue today It's way worse. It's way worse with and today. It's even more distorted because If you're into working out one of the first things that people do is they go follow all these Social media pages of you know people that motivate them and inspire them But then you get this crazy skewed view of the human body That it looks like this all the time or that these are there's a lot of these people or that maybe they're even a majority because if I'm if I follow a hundred people and 60 of them are fitness people. I have this weird Distorted ratio of like man most the people I follow or know are like super jacked and shredded and I'm not Therefore I need to do these things. So for me talking about this It's more about what powerlifting is not not what it really is because I think that's the part about a body building That's not good. No, I mean if you were to if you were to take two groups of clients and all the group, you know a Focused on just getting stronger and group B focused on how they perceive themselves in the mirror They're subjective Opinion if whether or not they're approving or not based on the mirror, okay? There's a lot more that could go wrong with the group Who's looking in the mirror and they for them to even perceive themselves as improving in other words They could do a lot wrong for their health for their energy for their performer They could really mess themselves up with their diet and their and all kinds of things But continue to think that they're I think I'm getting better I think I'm improving whereas the group that's just focusing on getting stronger now They can do some things wrong for sure, but they can't do as much wrong like you can't Underfeed yourself. You can't get terrible sleep. You can't malnourish or so you can't over train And beat yourself up You can't abuse your body as much and continue to get stronger You just can't so it's not perfect But it's a better metric that would encompass that you're doing more of the right things Your body versus aesthetic and we know this about aesthetics. We know this about how we perceive is ours It's so subjective That you know, you could take and I would see this people would lose weight on the scale lose mostly muscle And then be happy because they're lighter and skinnier Mm-hmm and not even because they're so distorted right think how they view themselves is so distorted or people would sacrifice their health To the point where their energies terrible either muscles just to attain a certain shape in their ways That you actually have that in the bodybuilding world in the actual high-level competitive competitive bodybuilding world But you know people would compromise their health their energy. They'd feel terrible But because the scale went down a little bit and they're looking in the mirror that looks smaller with the particular type of clothes Whatever they're like, yeah, I'm in the right direction. Whereas, you know, if you lift more you lift more it's objective There's no opinion. You know, I mean like yeah, I lifted 200 pounds last week this week. I lifted 250 pounds My subjective opinion doesn't matter. I'm either stronger or not and so performance Especially when you first get started at a certain point you can't keep using performance because obviously you're not going to keep getting stronger Forever, otherwise, you know, we'd be we'd all be lifting thousands of pounds by this point, but in the very especially for the first three years Performance is a great metric because you have to do a lot of things right to continue to improve performance But to to continue to think that you're doing right with aesthetics You can distort and twist things so much to look This is how eating disorders exist if you've ever worked with anybody or known anybody with a severe eating disorder You think to yourself like don't they see in the mirror how like how unhealthy they look when they don't they don't see it to them They're like I'm doing great So the performance side of it is what makes it a healthier pursuit and it's exactly what you said Adam It's the you go into working out because you're insecure about a part of your body If you're training and you're focused on the on the visual you're hyper-focusing on That insecurity and I'm gonna tell you something right now you hyper-focus on an insecurity There is nothing you could do that will get you the point where you're happy because you can man You will people will magnify it to the point where it's like I've had people tell me Do you see this like pooch right here low and I don't see it I don't see what you're talking about Because and I experienced that myself as a kid I even looking at pictures of myself when I thought I was so skinny after a couple years of working out And I was actually look pretty damn good for a 15 year old kid who who've been working out for a couple years But it was because of the aesthetic, you know, that was the big issue the other benefit to powerlifting is if you were to look at all the workouts online if You were to examine all the different workouts and you were to categorize them by workouts to make people look good and Then workouts that are accepted powerlifting workouts, especially the previous decade. Yeah You the the powerlifting workouts are science-based. They have the best workout programming There's a big factor there right because it's it's repeatable. It's tangible. It's it's it works or it doesn't So you can actually like have a scientific process to that you can add that there where it's it's hard to do It's more of an art I would say I guess is the best like eloquent way to say it for the bodybuilding side where they're Experimenting a lot, you know in all kinds of different directions But it's really it's about the individual in that regard because they're assessing their bodies Shape their form like which muscles need to develop a little bit further And so it's like what worked best for them This is where it gets sticky when you get like influencers that are pushing their programming for bodybuilding because it's like a lot of Times is based off of like how they attain these results Versus like your your strength program let that they applied to Olympic athletes This is gonna hold to every single person that goes through this process Well, it requires what one of them is required to be scientifically based and the other one is not but you You cannot get stronger without good programming like you're just gonna have to like figure that out Especially if you're gonna go win where you could get really shredded and not have a great program everybody already has muscle in your body and so if you just put yourself in an extreme diet and You get rid of all the body fat you have and you just reveal the muscle You have underneath there and since a lot of these shows are based off of just how shredded you are not necessarily if you have Your muscle size is a certain size. It's that it's more about symmetry and how shredded you are Well, you could do that and not have the best lifting program You could have got you could have trained before your bodybuilding show and actually got weaker week over week And go win you couldn't do that in fact you always do yeah with bodybuilding You actually get weaker walking into a show because of the dieting and stuff It's not that there isn't any science to bodybuilding training There's lots of science to bodybuilding training But the problem is is that genetics play such a crazy role in how you look that you could take somebody who looks incredible In spite of their crappy workout program, but then you look at the workout program and say that's gonna work Whereas powerlifting routines, they're duplicatable just like you said You'll see a group of athletes come in and oh West Side Barbell has you know their training method for example This many you know champions or this training styles train has produced this many you know type of champions bodybuilding is Because it's so much more subjective Workouts are not a science-based and in fact it becomes some oftentimes it becomes a How much you could tolerate you know type of deal So if I ever had a client that came to me and said hey, I'm following a Powerlifting routine and I'm like oh is it like what do you mean? Where'd you get? Oh, I you know It's an actual powerlifting routine. I I was always happy if I saw it Okay, they're gonna have some good some decent workout programming But if they came to me and they said oh, I'm doing a body part split You know and I'm doing some bodybuilding and I mean it could be anywhere from a good workout to a terrible workout Whereas the accepted powerlifting ones tend to are all almost all in fact when I was writing maps and a ball like in the early days I borrowed a lot from powerlifting because their side their approach was so scientific in fact If you look at powerlifting workouts, they tend to be based off of percentages of one rep max and all that stuff It's a very very scientific approach I I still want to go back to the original point that we made to about the insecurities because I Do recognize that there's some there's some there's some incredibly smart bodybuilders out there That do have some incredibly great programming out there now especially now compared to just a decade ago But I still would make this the case of the Insecurity not being great. So even if you follow great programming you dieted really well and you competed and you did a great bodybuilding show I'm still not a fan of it for most of most our clientele or most people that we talked to because it's still gonna Perpetuate that insecurity if I still have this insecurity around that in fact what I think you see as an example It's better behaviors. Well, some of the most famous people on Instagram in the fitness space are these You know champions or these bodybuilder men's physique champions And really they they've hacked into the science piece or that they've figured out some of the working out of the working out piece But they still haven't figured out the insecurity piece. That's still driving them to to to work out and the truth is they're okay So they figured out how to get shredded They figured out how to win a trophy but as far as longevity and health and also to be teaching others about health and Exercise and diet like probably not a good person to be doing that because they're still riddled with their own insecurities So riddled that they've been able to bury themselves into this sport and not look up for 10 years and just go after trophies all day Long and they might have good science-based programming But it still means it's not ideal for that person or all the people that are talking to well What you typically get to with the coaches, you know, I'm gonna probably ruffle some feathers but we get callers all the time who say I hired a Bodybuilding prep coach or I hired a powerlifting prep coach or powerlifting coach What you typically get with a powerlifting coach is someone who understands exercise they understand workouts understand workout programming What you typically get here's where I'm gonna ruffle some feathers with bodybuilding prep coaches are people that just over diet There's a lot of people and make them do tons of cardio leading up to a show They do a 12-week diet and they take their calories and they just start cutting the crap out of them And the workouts are somewhat interchangeable And it's more often than not that I get that I'm like a gasp when I see the bodybuilding prep coach Routines and diets versus the powerlifting ones now the powerlifting ones tend to not focus so much on diet But they do focus on kind of basics eat your protein You know make sure you add equal calories, but they typically don't give them like meal plans and stuff like that But they do tend to know exercise. They know biomechanics, especially with the big Three lifts, you know, that takes us to the part of the competition itself Which is that the judging is objective in a powerlifting Competition, you know, we're talking about insecurities Let's say you always in you were always insecure about your butt You thought you needed a bigger butt you want to build a bigger butt So you've been bodybuilding and let's say you bodybuilding you don't compete, right? But you lift like a bodybuilder and your friends and family members come up to you and say, you know what? Your butt is actually grown. Yeah, it's actually looking a lot better. You're like, you know, I'm gonna go do a show Yeah, the judge tells you something else then you go on stage and in in the world of bodybuilding You let's say you get fifth place. You're like, okay, that's pretty good You come down you go up to the judge is what you're supposed to do. Hey, what can I improve upon your glutes? Ooh that insecurity got me right in there. I thought I built them up. Oh my god. It's like this subjective You know Like you look you are magnifying these insecurities because the judge tells you specifically Yeah, what didn't look so perfect even though the real world you out. That's right now powerlifting again It's the judging is literally this is the jobs the judges job in powerlifting to make sure that you complete the the Exercise the movement Properly, did you touch your the bar to your chest and pause? Did you get full lockout? That's all the judge does The weight that you lift is what determines whether or not you win And so no there's no judge in powerlifting that goes up to you and says Yeah, you know congratulations on your big list But you need to work on your your your waist or you need to develop your biceps like nobody care The mechanic sound, you know, did you perform the lift like you should and that's it That's it, you know, and I I think there's politics and everything But I think in powerlifting compared to bodybuilding there's less politics And so to add on what you were saying Sal about a judge Picking you apart or you know pointing out your insecurity is you know, is it isn't good enough to win Really could fuck with your head add another layer to that When you learn about the politics in bodybuilding that there's sponsors that are involved There's judges that are friends of the competitors that have teams that are Also sponsoring some of these shows and giving so there is all this and it is not like a Even though there's pro bodybuilders and stuff like that This is not like a professional nfl mba. We're highly regulated type of thing This is like definitely kind of thrown together and a lot of behind the scenes under the table type bullshit is happening Where there's people that are hanging out that shouldn't be hanging out that are making decisions on Who's going to win or not win in these shows? So then you add another layer of complexity with your insecurities like i'm already insecure there Maybe my glutes were good or maybe I was maybe I was good enough to win But then I get told i'm in sixth place Because these other guys or girls were you know, they've been competing and they're part of a team That's friends with the coaches that's friends with the sponsors the show like and so I get thrown in sixth place when Maybe I should have been second. Maybe I would have even been first But now I get told now i'm really fucking with myself like god. I thought I did everything right I thought I I brought the right I got when I look at myself and I look at these people I feel like I should win but wait, maybe I'm all distorted. Maybe I don't look as good as I mean You just start to go down the rabbit hole. So yeah, very dangerous when it comes to Uh, like your insecurities and then being judged by somebody else Around those insecurities. Oh, yeah Somebody's if you're if you're like struggling with some body image issues like you go compete in bodybuilding You are going to add so much gasoline to that fire It's not even funny just because just for the simple fact that you're being judged On your insecurities. You are literally being you're literally standing on stage and saying Uh, look at my insecurities and tell me how bad they look and and that's what they do and it just Whereas when you compete in a powerlifting competition You bench squat or deadlift. That's it You go unless your big insecurity is that you can't deadlift a lot or something like that which is rare right that's not as common because social media and society at large doesn't Put that on people nobody walks around says you can't squat twice your body like people don't talk that way So unless that's your insecurity then really it's just I lifted more or I lifted less And that objective part of the judging, um, is just it's so much more satisfying Because so much, you know, if you've ever been to a bodybuilding show, you'll see like very It's not often that there's a super clear winner And sometimes there is and that person doesn't win and then you're like, what is this? Yeah, what's going on now now the next point is that Now people will argue and make jokes about powerlifters and say how they're fat and this and that there's weight classes and powerlifting But yes powerlifting, uh, they don't care how lean you are. That's true But that in my opinion For a lot of fitness fanatics is a positive Because it discourages under eating Here's a here's a common thing that a lot of people don't realize when people get really serious into working out Especially when they first start working out and get serious and because most people's goals is weight loss A lot of people the fanatics people who start to become fanatical about it They start to under eat and they do this consistently under eat under eat And then because the scale moves down and they see a new striation Or because they're they're watching looking themselves in the mirror and the subjective opinion is of course subjective They ignore the low energy. They ignore the hormone changes. I haven't got my period or i'm weaker. Doesn't matter It's all about how I look type of deal now with powerlifting If if you under eat you won't lift more. Yeah, I mean, that's just a fact you have the best, you know Programming in the world you will not get away with under eating for very long So for people who have a bad relationship with food in that sense who tend to restrict and try to under eat and whatever Um, you're not gonna do with power. Yeah, no, I mean, I'm sure people are wondering like wait a second You know, I thought you said there's no diet stuff or they don't give out much diet advice in the powerlifting world But it's it's not that it's not that they're giving you advice about eating more under eating It's simply that if you're in a caloric deficit for an extended period of time meaning days weeks Of being in a diet like that you are going to get weaker It's just a fact you're going to get weaker by doing that and so by Making sure you stay fed or making sure that you are chasing those pr's or getting stronger You're going to want to be fed and you're going to want to be feeding your body enough protein So you recover and things like that by the way even even when because I've also seen this Powerlifting has weight classes. So you could let's say I enter a competition I don't know what the weight classes are It's the taper that off because you might push out of your weight limit You might you're right. So unless you're super heavy weight or unlimited, right? Let's say you go into a class you look and you say, okay I weigh I'll just make up a number. I weigh 195 I can either compete in the 195 to 200 or the 190 to 195 So let me try and lose some weight now. Here's the difference between dieting for powerlifting versus dieting for bodybuilding I'm trying to maintain as much strength as possible And you see this a lot with power lifters Well, they actually try to drop a weight class so they could compete against people lighter than themselves But they have to play that delicate balance of Chloric deficit, but I'm also not so low that I get too weak or whatever Or I'm in this weight class. I'm in the upper limit of it. I'm building strength I got to make sure I don't overeat because I'm going to go in a new weight class And now all my the weight that I lift is going to be competing against people much bigger than me So it there's actually some interesting checks and balances there that work out pretty pretty well What happens though is that people get the image of the super heavy weight powerlifter And that's what there's a oh the fat powerlifter Whatever, but the reality is with the weight classes and the strength it actually encourages a healthier outlook It's built in there if you're trying to like get into a lower weight class Where you know, and you're focused on maintaining that strength There's a muscle preserving benefit to that because you're still lifting You know these these heavy lifts but at the same time like you got to feed just enough to make sure you're stimulating that muscle Well, listen to the the advice you just gave it's advice that we always give like your goal is to Not lose too much weight or not gain too much weight, but stay strong or get stronger I mean that's the advice we always give If we're talking to somebody who's trying to lose weight or build it doesn't matter with the goal Do it slowly Yeah, we're always telling people to go slow as possible You don't want to lose too much weight. You don't want to gain too much weight You want to stay strong or get strong is the ultimate goal And so that when you think about that those are those natural checks and balances you're talking about That just don't exist in bodybuilding bodybuilding. It is get shredded at all cost By all means get as lean as you possibly can at all costs It doesn't matter how you feel it doesn't matter about hormone levels. It doesn't matter your weight class It doesn't matter any of that stuff It doesn't matter if you get weaker all that matters is that you look a certain way for the for the stage Which is a terrible idea for 99 of the population But what's nice about the powerlifting so long as you are in a normal weight class and not the super heavy weights Right, which is unlimited everybody else has these guidelines of oh, okay I've decided here. So I want to kind of keep my weight about the same or maybe a little lower or a little higher But I don't want to move too much and I want to try and get stronger Which is exactly how we take a client. So if a client comes to me and they want to lose 40 or 50 pounds or more of weight the very first thing I tell them to do is I don't want your weight to go down I don't want your weight to really go up. I want to kind of keep your weight the same But I want to get stronger and increase calories and make better food choices. Like that's the goal at that time I mean, that's literally what we would do with someone who's trying to lose weight Which is interesting because powerlifting naturally kind of does and then slowly what happens and I've had clients do this I've had clients who wanted to lose weight Who took on powerlifting and then clients that want to gain weight who took on powerlifting a gain weight part That's easy, right? They just eat more calories kept it clean So that they didn't just gain a bunch of body fat going to a weight class that were there were leaner more More muscular people than them. So they get they gained good lean body mass But the people who cut it was great because it was such an incredible checks and check and balance If they lost weight too fast their strength plummeted And then they'd have to bump their calories a little bit and kind of play that game And it it created this nice metabolism Preserving effect because they were testing themselves with strength, which is exactly what I would do With a client. That's not competing powerlifting. It's the same thing that I'm looking at So it tends to encourage that now the other part which you know, I think part of this has to do with the Dieting that bodybuilders go through when they lead up to a show But if you've ever been to a bodybuilding show And if you've ever been to a like backstage like I don't mean just like watching not like from the audience But like backstage I had friends that competed I'd go backstage and see what the environment was like And I've also been to powerlifting competitions The culture and the community at powerlifting competitions Is so encouraging Bodybuilding is weird You know like people are weird backstage, you know, I've been to some where there were some friendly people But they're kind of keeping themselves in quiet And it's kind of strange and I don't know if it's because of the diet and they're so like tired and irritable Or if it's just just this weird. I don't know but the powerlifting You know it reminded me of if you've ever been to a marathon and you're at the finish line of a marathon No matter how you know slow people are everybody's cheering and especially marathons that raise money for things like Cancer research or whatever. It's an incredible environment. I'm not even into marathon running But it's a great environment powerlifting environments like that too the the competition is Everybody's cheering for everybody In fact, the beginners get the biggest cheers the people who go up there have never done it before Are getting everybody super and helping and the advanced lifters are helping them out You know try and do this and grab the bar this way and get tight there It's this great community. So of the six things that we listed. This is the one that I'm neutral on because I I mean I can make the case that that's how I felt in bodybuilding too There's a really good sense of community there and I think that there's always an asshole in every sport So it doesn't matter what sport there's going to be somebody in powerlifting. There's going to be somebody in bodybuilding that's You know to themselves or in an asshole or not nice, but generally speaking the community was always really welcoming and positive And so it's less for me about that Powerlifting is better than bodybuilding in this aspect. It's just that it provides this right? There's an incredible community I think you can make the case that there's an incredible community inside the bodybuilding world also Yeah, I'm talking primarily about the competitions. I mean the community itself is yeah I mean, I guess I guess maybe backstage I mean that backstage was I mean, it depends like when I was brand new and I was just getting into it Like I was kind of the person who isolated himself. I like I didn't have a team, right? So I was kind of doing my own thing But you know, it's uh, it's a small it's a small click, right? So once you're once you are you come back to your second show and you get recognized by the people Oh, hey, man, I saw you the last one it begins it becomes very friendly And I I never felt like there was any animal and afterwards. I mean, we were just at the last um, Olympia I mean you saw sea bum and the other two guys hugging each other and like, you know, it's like I don't know. I feel like there's good community there, too So I think they both have that I think I think power but that's just another plus four powerlifting I don't think it's necessarily a negative Of bodybuilding. I just but I do remember this of the bodybuilding community is Um, there is a lot of people that are are not doing healthy things And so a lot of the conversations around the drugs and the dieting were unhealthy Now they didn't realize that they thought they were being friendly and nice by sharing all this stuff That was one of the things that was really glaring for me as I'm sitting here listening and I'm like, oh, shit That's terrible advice. Oh shit. Like that's not good or like, you know And so I think a lot of the information that they're sharing in their community Is not the best information when it comes to diet and drugs related to the sport And so that part of the community I wasn't a fan of yeah, I think yeah, I think you're probably right for the for the Majority of it. I think there's probably some aspects of that Alludes to what you mentioned before in terms of the politics of you know, how they end up like scoring and judging and like Animosity in that regard versus like that's true Sort of the purity of like I'd got these numbers and it was like objective, you know So it's not like, you know, the the competitors like really hold that against the other person maybe as much But but yeah, I feel like everybody that's kind of going in the trenches and they understand the work It takes to kind of present, you know on stage or or you know, do the work to actually lift really heavy weight It's like, you know, everybody's there and kind of celebrating that there's that mutual respect like either either category Uh went through some serious grind consistency and sacrifice to get there and there is that mutual respect I will say bodybuilding and powerlifting gyms are all very supportive. Everybody's working out. Everybody's yeah I've been to gyms that are both If you guys have worked out like what you see, you know, both power. Yeah, I know that's great So and it's all about the serious people, you know staying in the community conversation I also think that's part of what makes the bodybuilding thing a little dangerous is because I actually think that People do find great community in it and a lot of a lot of people that maybe weren't accepted or have these massive insecurities Get surrounded by a bunch of other people that have these massive insecurities also and are similar and then They they bond with them and part of what keeps them in stuck in there Is that you found, you know, misery loves company or you have these other people that are suffering from the same body dysmorphia as you are So it normalizes this which is dangerous because it's just like, oh, they're just as fucking obsessed With their tricep separation as I am. Oh, I'm not that weird Or they're just as obsessed about the striation of their glutes as I am and so what's dangerous about that community is They they do find each other and they and they are very welcoming accepting And then what ends up happening is that they normalize An unhealthy behavior and think it's normal because they've got a hundred friends now that are just as obsessed as they are Yeah, now the last point, uh, this is generally true not always true, but generally speaking I would say for most women who are getting into strength training First off, most of the goals are for weight loss Um, most of them are going to be healthier if they pursue a powerlifting and then pursuing bodybuilding For all the reasons that we said earlier, right discourages under eating It's performance based so you got to feel good. You can't do a lot of things that are too damaging Otherwise you wouldn't get stronger the objective aspect, uh, is good because it takes your focus off of You know how you look in the subjective part and so my female clients this became for me This became a my secret weapon. Yeah when I would get a female client who was really really starting to get serious And would consider hey, I want to do some kind of like, you know test myself type of deal I push them towards powerlifting because I always got better outcomes Now the reason why this oh, sorry, jesson go ahead. Yeah. No, I was just gonna say like, um to I just don't think it comes intuitively in terms of like the focus of strength like even culturally or like this was always like Something that was like a selling point that I always had to present to some of my female clients but once they really like caught on to Um focusing on that strength drive it becomes You know this this rewarding experience and it's it's an empowering experience on top of that But really again to all the behaviors that we mentioned earlier Just how it kind of reinforces a better Outlook in terms of like you're eating and then also to what to really focus on I 100% agree. This is a healthier move for women And a lot of that has to do with the culture shift that we're a part of that, you know, for the longest time You know, um muscle mommy get strong for women. It was build muscle Those were just didn't exist. Yeah those terms did not exist yet all very very good Empowering good Metabolically things that these that that they should be doing And so I think that power lifting is so much healthier for them to be focusing on getting strong And a lot of that has to do just because of what they're coming from because they're coming from this terrible messaging Of tone and skinny and you don't want to be bulky and like oh, it's not about lifting heavy weights Do lightweight let more reps and so that has been the culture around exercise and fitness for women for so long But I think power lifting is one of the things that could save women in this case And if the more than that do that the more of them that join that community the better off all of us are going to be Well, what percentage of women do you think lose their period getting ready for a bodybuilding show versus What percentage of women lose their period getting ready for a power lift? Yeah, probably none for power None in fact, I've gotten women to get their periods to come back Because they started power lifting and started reverse dieting bodybuilding You see a lot of this hormone dysfunction because the extreme dieting in the in the overtraining It's just a healthier pursuit. Now. It doesn't mean it's always a healthy pursuit Can you power lift and be unhealthy? Absolutely, you know, you get a lot of things unhealthy Um in powerlifting and you can get too obsessed with performance to the point where you hurt your joints And your in your body and all that stuff But if you had to choose one of the other to compete in For most people powerlifting. Yeah, I think that's the major takeaway this conversation is that you know There there are people I'm one of those people that um love competition And competition helps me set goals and follow through on my goals. And so I can totally relate To the the the man or woman that is considering, you know doing one of these things because they want they want that goal Right and I can respect that But I think the point of this was to encourage you to go in the powerlifting direction first not to say that Maybe you're not at a place With your body your body image that you could do bodybuilding. I did bodybuilding, right? So how can I tell other people they can't do it? I think I was just at the A healthy place when I decided to do it. It was later in my life. I had worked through a lot of those insecurities I had as a young young man and a young trainer Um, so if you're considering one of those two things because you like competition I think I would urge you to move in the in the powerlifting direction Look if you like the show head over to mind pump free.com and check out all of our free fitness guides We have a lot of free guides there that can help you with most of your fitness goals You can also find us on instagram. Justin is at mind pump. Justin. I'm at mind pump to stefano And adam is at mind pump adam