 Welcome to The Advocate, where topical issues are discussed in a no-holds-barred manner. In other words, we call a spade by its name. Today, my Advocacy is based on the whole clamor for restructuring, a good plan or a plot. Kingsley is here to clarify the difference between a leader and a ruler. Yemi, who joins us for the first time, is taking us on music lessons today as he focuses on the impact of music on the human mind and body. According to Kurt Cobain, the duty of youth is to challenge corruption, and Kemak is here to point out the strength of the African and Nigerian youth. Sit back, your panelists are here to present your Sunday dose of provoking thoughts with no-holds-barred after this break. A plan or a plot? Pre-election in Nigeria, always, a word is picked and beaten up to whip up sentiment and create an electoral nirvana that is void of practicality. This is, say, the word has spaces. But what exactly does it mean, or do we share the same definition of the word when we use it in different contexts? The word is structure means a lot to a different lot of people. I will first begin with our definitions of the words based on our vocations in life or politics. To a common man, this will be used from a point of separation of powers from the centre, though already provided by the constitution and abused by political party vehicles. To deny governance to the people. I would add that this juncture, the common man gets it, but his political inexperience would not allow him clamour for this take. For example, the issue of state policing, we are all aware any separation of power must mean altars of governance and arms of governance being allowed to function. On matters like this, the president is mobbed in bare parlor discussions and online keeping terrorists, meanwhile, these powers to enact such laws is in the powers of the rather lackadiskal national assembly, whom instead of primarily focusing on bill amendments and oversight of the executive are yet to be weaned off constituency project feeding bottles. Now we move to the governance. The governance will define restructuring as the free hand to handle state natural resources without influence of the federal government. While these may seem noble, it can be done till the emperors of state stop the organized kidnap of a tear of government, which is the local government. The state governments confiscate their financial resources. It's like asking nicely for a cookie while your hand is still in the cookie jar. Now we'll look at the federal. This level of governments is restructuring as a harm to its powerful dominance, like a system of control for getting that the real power is vested in economic growth and true democracy can only thrive while powers are being devolved properly. It understands the greed of state governors and the federal has used this to the advantage and uses the kidnap of the LG by states to twist the state governments for their resources. In times of old, people ran nations for the matter of sovereignty and power. But moving towards the modern times, the only advancement afforded a country is when it is run like a business and every part is contributing to a planned quota of goals. Well back to the perspectives on the world that has become champion to the opposition and also to the government and a bedroom to the electorate. In my opinion, we always say politics is local. Why don't we ever say governance is local? The inability to understand that the local government is the first handshake of democracy to the people. If we understood what was needed, we would rise for local government police, which would guarantee security at the lowest cluster of governance. We would also rise for its autonomy and would give it rights to natural resources and etc. Let's remember the governance of local units live within us and can be held accountable easier than the number one houses in the state or the most protected drive in Abuja. So restructuring. Well, I think like you rightly pointed out, we do have a culture in Nigeria of spotting and resounding right sounding phrases over and over and over. And when you look at the reality on ground and you look at the advocacy that's going on or the repeated use of these words, it becomes really difficult to tie it together. It seems like you just said it's just a fact that we throw around. Yeah, rather than going deep into the roots of the issue. It's interesting because personally I have a different idea of restructuring. And this is why I have a different idea because the truth is that in Nigeria, the term one Nigeria is more ideological than practical, right? So what makes us one is that we share common territory. But when it comes to interest, common peoples, the Nigerian interest is highly polarized. So the problem now becomes how do you restructure the country in such a way that these different interests are represented properly? So that is why for me, the idea of restructuring is basically regionalism. OK, for me, what I feel will work for Nigeria is a weak center and strong regions. And this is why I think it's so you are more likely going to find common interest in the Southwest. OK, you're more likely going to find common interest in the Southeast or North Central or Northwest, right? So when these regions are given a level of political autonomy, economic autonomy to control the region, you discover that the struggle for the presidency will reduce. Because within the regions, these guys already have a reasonable level of autonomy. It's like what you see in Spain for Catalonia. It's like what you see in the United Kingdom for Scotland. These guys have their parliament. They have a level of economic and political autonomy. So you discover that the class for the central is little. Because on the regional level, these guys push their own regional agenda, do well for themselves and achieve a lot. So I think for me, restructuring is just regionalism, a weak center and then strong regions. Right, and let's not fail to realize that Nigeria is a very, very highly ethnicized country. I mean, I think the major thing that polarizes us in this country, apart from the quest for political power, is our ethnicity and religion. Yes, and religion. Of course, ethnicity and religion are closely linked and I quite agree. Mr. Yemi, what do you think about this conversation? Can we hear you? Mr. Yemi? I think I'll just echo what the last advocate said about regional government. From my understanding, the last time we really had an effective system of governance was when we had the regions prior to the fact that we're 1966, and perhaps that's something we should consider again in the future. Because if you have all the resources in the center there, but always now, given all the states' different pieces of the pie to take from, where we are, is to probably continue to be that way. Yeah, so of course, looking at it, we always say state units should be able to function fully. But I think what we miss, which is key, is that we look at structuring on a state or a regional level. I feel that if we looked at it on a local government level, if we brought it down to the basic thing, let's look at what's championing Nigeria and our security. When you watch the average American movie, you see sheriffs in town. The sheriffs in town is local government police. Let's translate it to what it is in our own system. So why are we arguing a state police system? The closest people that you can hold accountable and people that know the areas, imagine, let's say, I'm from, let's say, Afipo now in eastern Nigeria. If policemen are picked to function in Afipo and there are children that grow up in Afipo, they can spot criminals faster than anybody else. Of course, because everyone knows who can come in. But it will be easier if that level of organization is coming down gradually. No, because you start from, if you're looking at restructuring, you start from the ground up. You don't start from the top down. And the reason why I'm most afraid of states having this power, let's start starting it at the states. It's already states have kidnapped financial power of local governments. Let you now want to grant them security powers. No other opposition will run in that state. With the emperors we have and the powers, governors have clearly this. We just imagine, and now not to mention names, but there's a very excited governor in the South South. Imagine him giving a state police. He's going to burn the entire city down. You know, the thing with Nigeria is that if you look at it from that perspective, we may miss it. Because Nigeria is highly polarized from the center. Do you get, most of the crisis we have in Nigeria economy policies doesn't necessarily have to do with the local government. The problem is that at the center, the political interest is polarized, right? So it's more like a context. Why I think regionalism will work is if for instance those, the South West have their own region, right? The South West can say, okay, what can better work for us? What strategy of policing can work for us? I mean, if you look at it, we have things like Amoteco and the Eastern, you know, so I mean, this is a good start to... If they are implemented, yeah. Okay, so up next is Kingsley. Stay with us. Leadership versus rulership. Popular American novelist, late Frank Herbert once said and I quote, good governance never depends upon laws, but upon the personal qualities of those who govern. The machinery of government is always subordinate to the will of those who administer that machinery. Hence, the most important element of government, therefore, is the method of choosing leaders. And I dare to ask this question, do we have leaders in Africa or are we just ruled by rulers? For me, leadership is some really the capacity and the will to rally men and women to a common purpose and the character which inspires confidence. In view of this definition, I like to disagree with the popular saying that Africa is backward because of bad leadership because you have to first of all have leaders before you experience good or bad leadership. Suffice it to say that Africa's problem is that she has been plagued by rulership for too long. I like to say that a ruler is someone who behaves like a mathematical ruler. A ruler is rigid and not flexible or adjustable. And the moment you try to bend it, it breaks. A ruler dictates the pace and does not want too many changes. Otherwise, they are bound to break due to lack of emotional intelligence. On the other hand, a leader is someone who behaves like the deed of a pot. Whether you flip the lead upside down or put it in the way it's supposed to be, it will still get the job done. That being said, a leader is a person who is flexible and allows creativity in his or her workplace or constituency and has high emotional intelligence to back that up. In another perspective, rulers are those who rule. To rule is to control, to direct, to impose rules, to dominate and to exercise ultimate power and authority over an area or its people. In contrast, leaders are those who lead. To lead is to guide, to direct on a course, to serve, to take responsibility, to represent and to be on the forefront of positive change. Not the kind of change JPC brought to Nigeria anyways. Leaders have leading, willing followers while rulers have dominated subjects. Rulers impose their authority. Leaders, on the other hand, can end their authority as a matter of expertise, emotional intelligence and people-orientedness. Essentially speaking, good leadership is not about power, benefit or exercise in authority. It's about guiding people to a common peoples in a way that represents common interest. It's about the people and not about the leader or the power. And that is why in same continents and countries, leaders resign when they lose favor with the people who elected them to represent their interests. In Africa, however, resignation does not exist in our political lexicon. Most democratically elected presidents in Africa think like monarchs. They would rather die than really wish power before their tenor elapses or before they are violently ousted from power. Now it's possible that Africans in general and Nigerians in particular may have found no mouse in rulership. But like Lewis Blackwick once said and I quote, a day may come when all hope is lost, when the oceans run red with our blood and our darkest hour is upon us. And when that day comes, the red day of reckoning, we turn my days not to our rulers in good times but to our leaders in bad times. Yeah, thanks for that. I'll just quickly chip in here and I'll say that rulers and leaders are non-identical from one another. So you have rulers, people who tend to rule. A ruler can't be simply a smaller controller. Ruler normally rules over the individuals against their will just to tell them what to do. People tend to do it because of the power that emanates from this individual. There's no charisma, there's no personality attached to it. It's just the power, pure power and they use power of authority. And the very purpose of a ruler is to rule people's lives. On the contrary, I'll say leaders are individuals who lead and they tend to lead by example. They attract followers using their strength of ideas. Whereas rulers are quite poor in the idea management side of things. Leaders don't demand allegiance. They use the power of attraction, like I said. Rulers tend to be arrogant but leaders are modest and always stay open to suggestions. So a leader can have a suggestion which might seem in his or her head something that is very smart but having considered other people's opinions is liable to change it. It might not be immediately but open to suggestions and doesn't believe he's the smartest or she's the smartest person in the room. I can't say rulers are leaders but not. I can say that rulers are leaders but not all front runners are rulers. Right, so I'd like to come from another perspective. Now I tend to be a non-conformist. The thing about leadership, leadership is not soft. It's not flaccid. It's not indecisive. Leadership does not pander to emotions. And I think that's when we come at this issue of separative leadership and rulership that we come from that perspective of emotion or sentiment. Or a leader knows how to appeal to follow us. A ruler is firm. The truth is you can't separate leadership from rulership because in assuming authority, in assuming a forefront position over other human beings there are times you have to put your foot down. You have to assert your voice. You have to assert your opinion. You have to assert your authority. So I think in a nutshell it's about semantics and personal feelings, sentiment. When we try to separate leadership from rulership and say one is good or the other is bad. I tell you the truth. It's worse to have a leader at the helm that seems to have no direction or has not the power to insist and move people into a particular direction for the greater good. I don't want to mention names but it's not easier to have a family that someone who is based on the descriptions you call a ruler who is not really in tune with the needs of his people but moving us in the direction of progress. That's the point I think. I think a good leader should be able to combine firmness with people-orientedness, right? It's like the difference between rulership and leadership in this context is like the difference between democracy and autocracy. In a democracy, why the leader is looking forward to protect the interests of the people who have elected him? He also understands that there are times when as a leader you have to be firm and stick to your decisions. Unlike in the other system where what people want is not really important to the leader. The leader has absolute power, okay? And the idea behind this is in Nigeria we have elected people who seem to be doing what they want to do and not necessarily what the masses want them to do. You know for me, I'm going to come from a governance perspective. First, I don't agree we have leaders in Nigeria. I'm of that perspective, I'll tell to Chemak's perspective. So what we have in Nigeria is that we have people in political position and not in government. And if you look at the trace of everything, last leaders I think Africa had were pre-colonial era. We cannot say the colonialism structure did not leave, do a number on our thought process. So I look at the early leaders in Africa as Shaka Zulu. Who wasn't even a softy? Yes, leadership comes with direction. If there's anything you're going to pick from leadership for me or I would look at, leadership comes with charting a course. Every leader had a course. You can pick leaders from different times. Alexander the Great, he wanted to expand his nation. You know, Nakhonia, Nakhonia, Nakhonia was a clever vision. Kwinamina of Zaria took her kingdom from Zaria, which is northern Nigeria, extending it up to Ghana. She died somewhere in Ghana. She was killed in a war somewhere in Ghana. And that was leadership. But when the colonials came in, we cannot divorce them from this. They taught us how to follow the gunpowder. Because then you'll be like, okay, you have your gods. We have one true god. And if you argue with them, guns. So we've gone to that level. It's gotten so bad that I'll give an example with the National Assembly. The National Assembly summons the president on security matters. And the attorney general of the federation comes out and says, you can't summon the president. Yes, in the constitution it's not written anywhere, but Markiou, in the act that creates, also in the same constitution that creates the National Assembly, it states that the National Assembly can summon any Nigerian at any point in time, as long as the president is a Nigerian. So we don't even understand this thing. I think we're just used to the gun approach. We have a lot of people in politics who are not in governance. And that's a big problem in political politics, but not in governance. So the problem is Professor P. L. Lumumba is a Kenyan legal luminary. He once made a statement, so I was listening to him. He said that the problem with Africans is that Africans have a lot of affinity for people without ideas, right? During elections, you see people who have powerful ideas about how they want to transform the nation or the continent, the charts they want to take the nation to. We discover Africans going for people who have political and economic clout choosing them over people who have ideas. And that is why at the end of the day, we end up electing politicians and not leaders because people can give what they don't have, right? If you don't have an idea, you don't have something you want to achieve. You don't have a clear vision. Once you get to that power, you discover that at the end of the day, you just end up exploring the power and not necessarily doing anything with governance. There's something key I always think about, especially in Nigeria. Maybe because I've run for office before. I kind of understand this funny part about Nigerians. Nigerians' problem is that it's not that they don't know which politician is good or not. They do. They clearly do. They always do. The problem is that the entire Nigeria sees Nigeria as a buffet table and everybody's waiting for his turn at the buffet. So what happens is, what happens is, ah, no, I won't distort Mr. A while he's in power because I'm out to chop my own. I won't to chop my own. Ah, no, no. This guy wants to stop everything. Does that appeal to the electorate or just in the past? It appeals to the electorate because I'll give you an example. You enter power today, I can tell you. Your causes are going to come from the village to Abuja. Where's our contract? Where's our this? Where's our official car? Where's this? Where's that? And we don't want it to spoil because if someone now comes in and says, if someone now comes in and says, okay, I'm going to stop official cars. I'm going to stop. All people in governance are going to be any minimum wage. Right. Is it my own service? You're not speaking about what you are. I remember once coming down from a hotel, I was coming out of a hotel and then I saw a car drive in and then everyone was like, and then I looked at the man at the back of the car, he looked like one of the governors in the south side. And I was like, oh, is this not this governor? And as he came down from the car, I was like, you're excellency, you're excellency. But I said, the resemblance is not really there. Guess what? He was a younger brother to the governor. And I almost lost my mind. Like I was living with him. I was living and you know, he was accepting all the accolades and responding to your excellency calls. And I said to my assistants with me, like, what kind of a joke is this? Oh, that's interesting. You know, even for that, that's even a little close, the brother. Well, we have people that are barbers to his excellency in governance and they have business cards. I know, right? It's really a sad thing. It's time to take some of your comments on the issues discussed here. Ohale Odehora says, reforming the Nigerian constitution is important. Define a new vision from our country. Pull out all the reactionaries wherever the base, education, healthcare, energy, transport and put the entrance beyond the demand of the citizens. Phantom 2K10 says, great build, great minds and great platform. And follow us on our social media platforms on Facebook at plusTVAfrica, hashtag the advocate NG, or on Twitter and Instagram at plusTVAfrica, hashtag the advocate NG. To catch up with previous broadcasts, go to plusTVAfrica.com slash the advocate NG. It's time for our music lessons with Yemi, but only after this break. I'll start with a quote from possibly the greatest musician in my opinion, Felakuti. And the quote goes this way, with my music, I create change. I am using my music as a weapon. Let's talk music. Let's talk about the impact that the mind, body and soul. Firstly, music, a little music history. According to the Oxford Dictionary, music is vocal or instrumental sounds combined in such a way as to produce beauty or form, harmony and expression of emotion. Secondly, it is the written or printed sounds representing vocal or instrumental sound. Some schools of thought opined that music began about 40,000 years ago, although this may even be much further. Some say the Greek philosopher Pythagoras invented music. However, in terms of music history, there are six periods which I'll briefly touch on. You had the medieval period between 1150 and 1400. Instruments created during this period were the flute recorder, which is still in existence today, the organ, not so much. Then we had the Renaissance period between 1400 and 1600. Instruments created during this period were the trumpet, the guitar, tambourine, and the small guitar. The baroque period was between 1600 and 1750. Instruments again, oboe, violin, baola, the cello. The classical era between 1750 and 1820. That was the introduction of the piano. The Romantic period was between 1820 and 1900. And that's when you have the bigger orchestras that are still in use today. And the national music schools from that period were created. And then finally, the 20th or the 21st century, which is what we'll consider modern music now. Impressionists, expressionists, modern, postmodern, and contemporary music, including our Afro beats. According to numerous sources, which include philosophers, doctors, anthropologists, just to name a few, music sets a powerful influence on we humans. It can help us with lightning our mood, reducing anxiety or stress, reducing depression. It can be a sleep aid. Some people need it to sleep. It helps them listen to some classical music, some jazz or some gospel. And for working out when we're in the gym. Now I'd like to talk a little bit about the impact of the mind. Although this is a longer list, I'll just touch on four ways music affects the brain. Emotion, from a mother singing a song to a newborn baby or father, to an instant uplift in our mood when his favorite song is played on the radio or in our car. Music helps us to have a direct impact to a person plays period or events. Memory, it's been a proven technique for sufferers of Alzheimer's, as well as a few other ailments, to help people regain parts of their memory and improve their mental health. Learning, in a groundbreaking study by the University of Newcastle in Australia some years ago, popular music was used to assist patients with severe brain injuries in recalling personal memories. Attention, certain types of music while affecting our mood can also distract us or make us inattentive to tasks at hand. Some are unable to study without music and some need as a break away from too much work. Research has shown us that when a subject listens to music that gives them the chills, it triggers a release of dopamine to the brain. Dopamine is kind of naturally occurring happy chemical we receive as part of a reward system. Now, here's really the interesting part. Dopamine is not only released during peak musical moments but also when we anticipate those moments. It's like when the favorite chorus of your song is coming out, there's this reaction that you have but it's called dopamine. It's like our brain is rewarding us for knowing a really great chorus is about to hit. Now impacts to the body. According to the Harvard Medical Review, doctors tell us that music can enhance the function of neutral networks, slows the heart rate, lower blood pressure, reduce levels of stress, hormones and inflammatory cytokines and provide some relief to patients on the going surgery as well as heart attack and stroke victims. Like I said earlier, music can also be useful workouts. Why not having a direct impact to the endurance? It helped to increase tempo. Now, finally, I'll just talk about the impact to child development. Music ignites all areas of child development and skills for school readiness. Don't believe me? Get your children involved with piano classes, guitar lessons or even the drums. It helps with intellectual, social, emotional, mortal language and overall literacy. It helps the body and the mind work together. Exposing children to music doing early development helps them to get used to the sounds and meaning of words. Finally, music helps to build pride, confidence and memory retention. Thank you. Really, recent research in the United States of America found that music actually helps with easier assimilation in the classroom for children. So there's some ongoing advocacy that classes should have soft music playing on the background while classes are going on or children are studying and stuff like that. But I wouldn't want to say it's a dime it doesn't, but I think, like he pointed out, different people differ in their reaction or reception or perception of music. Now, something really funny happened in my office yesterday. So there's a song I like. It's by Davido Holy Ground. So now one of my assistants was playing that music and I found I was vibing to it, like really singing along, enjoying myself. Now I went back into my space and tried to do some work. And I found out it was just really difficult for me to concentrate. And then when my conscious mind came to the fact that the young man has started playing another song that I did not really find personal pleasure in. I quickly shut him down. I said, look, you're distracting me. Put off that music. This is an office. You can't play that. You know, you can't play such songs here. And then three seconds later, my mind went back to the fact that, oh, this same person played a song that I really liked like a few minutes ago. And I did not realize it was an office and he couldn't play such music at the office. So I think it's all based on personal perception. Yes. For me, it's different. Okay, I'm in governance now. So I know, I love music growing up, music of 90s, but I was always introduced to music. My parents were music lovers. So I grew up listening to people like The Temptations, IZK's. No, before that, long before that, I'm talking of Tom Jones way back. And I came up to that. And I'll tell you some of the first big words I even knew came from rap. I was a notorious B.I.G. fan. And you know, he knew how to mix words together. And most of the time when I speak now, people are like, okay, he has the control of his lexis. But I'll tell you, it came from rap music. The fact that I could put words together and most people are wonder. So I feel I've gained so much from music. For me, music has even been knowledge for me because there were words like, I remember I didn't know what Le Corus was, still notorious B.I.G. said it, that really something sweet. And you know, you get to learn all these things along the way and you get to listen to music. Yeah, I don't listen to very, very modern music now because it's kind of gibberish. I don't, not gibberish, but I don't understand it. But I'm more into older music and I know how to. That brings me to something because I like to talk about the societal impact of music. Now, I'm a very young person, but growing up, music used to be a tool of transformation and education. Music had a message. When you listen to music, it had a message, okay? The artists were either passing out a message, trying to change mindset, trying to change perspective, right? So beneath that entertainment was a message behind every music, but in contemporary times, you discover that music has been reduced to entertainment and sensationalism. Okay, well, I'm sorry to cut you short, but I absolutely do not really agree with that in that sense, right? Because I mean, at the end of the day, it's what you're able to squeeze out from something that it will mean to you. Like, I get what you're saying. Like, when we talk about the one you can't win, who's the Sonia days that have, you know, like social messages backing up them, or even the fellah. Let me give you an example. You can find this song trending, and what is the lyrics? See Mary, see Jesus, see Mary, see. Oh, yeah, right. You can find another one. It's a call to your spiritual consciousness. What are you talking about? No, no, it's not spiritual. What I'm talking about is, in the past, when I was growing up, you couldn't see such song's trend. These days, what people look more at is beating. Once the music has very solid, you know, beat... I mean, that's what, you know, makes them, calms them from... You know what my answer is to that? I would always say every time, and I must try not to be biased, every time has what its music is picture. Oh, right. I think one of the most intelligent scholars in the 14th century in the UK said, give me the folk laws of a people and I will direct its laws. I can't remember his name, a very intelligent guy, because the truth is, if I hijack the folk laws of this generation, I'll be able to direct his thought process. So I'll give you an example. If, let's say a big musician, I don't want to call any names, if a big musician decides to pick up a social consciousness topic and then pushes it forward through his music, you'll be able to direct where the people are heading and choose where the electorate thinks. Absolutely. And Kemak is up next after the break. Youth and the power of change. In recent times, we have seen an uprising of young Nigerians and Africans in a never-before-experienced opera, occasioned by the protracted seeming inability of governments to provide an enabling environment for young people to thrive. As a development consultant, every day, I engage scores of young people in discussions, hinge on their personal ambitions, career projections, and general polls about life and living in Nigeria. Needless to say, 10 out of 10 young people live in abject despondency, concerning their ambitions and dreams in Nigeria. In my work engagements too, I have had reason to interact with the top echelon of society, the so-called big men and women. The disparity in living circumstances between these two groups is not only glaringly alarming. The dissonant gaps that exist between these demographic divides seems to have no bridging in sight. With an arguably eroded middle class, Nigeria presents at best a morbidly unwell social construct which, if not urgently checked, will result in, I reserve my comments. I do not necessarily want to delve into the myriad mental health issues that these feelings of utter hopelessness produce. But my focus today lies in the question, how can young people governize their power and collective goodwill toward engaging the socioeconomic, political, and structural systems of Nigeria as a whole? Governizing saying in order to produce an El Dorado of sorts, or at the very least, a land they can be proud to call their own. A land that gives them hope for today and assurance for the future. A place where dreams are not daily met with the possibility of death. A country where the aspirations of young people are not too easily crushed by the seeming indifference of successive governments to the plight of their greatest strengths, the youth. Much as we may want to move away quickly from the horrors that tail the NSAR's protests, this phenomenal expression of the strength, unity, and glory of youth, in my opinion, should be properly harnessed and channeled to outputs and outcomes that not only provide a pedestal for positive youth engagement, but ultimately change systems, improved governance, and consequently, improved life outcomes for the people. Sadly, it seems our youth find greater satisfaction with simple campaigns, some of which are violence, aggressive exchange, and a never-ending cycle of mob action. While these are somewhat applied and found to be commonplace as expressions of quest for change globally, what next becomes the question after all of the upheaval? How do we channel the voice of youth unrest into outright tangible, productive, and sustainable change in Nigeria, Africa, and the world at large? Quite an interesting read. And Mr. Yemi, what do you think about this conversation, especially as a Nigerian who is based in the UK? What's your opinion or perspective on this issue? No, it's a good point. And I like the fact that he briefly touched on NSAS without going into detail. But we saw what can be achieved when people come together for a plan. We saw unity. We saw the use of social media and technology. We saw large sections of people from a certain age, demographic coming together for a common purpose with the demonstrations and protests that went on. But your question, how can it be challenged? You can only... I think to get to the future, you have to understand the past first and foremost and then align and change the present to get to the future. If you try, if you can't do it, we'll power alone. But we know that the youth have the ideas. They have the energy. They have the creativity. They have the innovation. They have the imagination and they have hope. What they don't have is experience. And I feel in a country like Nigeria, if you rush that change, it might not end too well like one of the other advocates said. It has to be something that you have to have a plan, a long-term vision with not so much emotion, a little bit of emotion because you are aggrieved about certain things not working properly. But you have to have a plan in terms of, okay, how do you want to represent yourself? Do you have a 10-year plan to say, okay, like the other advocates said, let's start from the bottom up and the top-down approach. Do we want to take some certain seats in some certain elections because we want to have political power and then grow that over a period of maybe two or three election cycles? Because if you just channel all your anger to the streets, you don't want a situation where it ends in violence, whether it's state-sponsored or otherwise. I think in the last few years, we have seen the youth show their own concerns and their apathy to certain actions within the state. But I think that has to be channeled. Youth advocate groups around the country are being formed, they have been formed. And perhaps they want to go back and then learn the lessons of the past and look for a new way forward. I think, in my view, what is most pertinent is after looking at the kind of directions and things that have happened in Nigeria, especially during the Ansars, the Ansars situation is something most people do not know. Yeah, you got a lot of people in Lagos and different states on the streets. But do you know that that number is enough to recall this entire state house of assembly in Lagos and in all those other states? So I believe political literacy is key to moving forward. It's hard to explain to Nigerians when you tell them, okay, you're not politically literate enough. But imagine if they took out, that's by recalling, that's what I mean by the takeout, took out the entire state house of assembly. You know how to clarify that. So if they took out the entire state house of assembly, you can take out a governor or you can impeach a governor for inaction. And that will send a message to the center they will never forget. We need to understand the constitution, how our country works, and what exactly could work. So looking at the Arab Spring and Co, yes, there's the front, which looks like the agitation streets, but there's also the strategic at the back end. And I think that's what's missing. Okay, exactly. I think I agree with you, especially that the fact that the problem when it comes to youth participation is the fact that we're missing out on the strategic parts. Now, this is what happened during the ENSA campaign. A vast majority of young people were on the streets, but the vast majority of people in the corridors of power were older people, right? Because the truth is for the interests of the youth to be represented, less come to the reality, the youth must be there to represent their interests. So the solution is simple. Young people have to start getting involved, right? You talk to an average young person in Nigeria, he or she feels governance is not their business, politics is not their business. He or she has visions of becoming CEOs of companies, becoming thing, but when it comes to politics, it discovered that young persons walk away from politics. Those people there are, like we said earlier, occupying political position, and they will represent their own interests until they are no longer there. So I think it's an organic process, right? Young people need to start getting involved in politics from the grassroots, because it will always get to where power is never given, it has to be taken. Yeah, it's taken. And I believe that's where he mentioned about political literacy. I think that's the first step when people understand the correct process, how to go about things during the ENSA's advocacy. I was constantly on, you know, speaking on the need to engage strategy. It's like in development, you have programs and you have a project. Now the project is what gives longevity and sustainability to the programs that you do. So your programs are like activities that you carry out, but that alone cannot stand and bring structural change like we deserve. And like you've mentioned, which is something I realized during the ENSA's protest, the refusal of the young people to come to the negotiation table. The truth is, except you're going to have a cool guitar, even if it's the devil that is sitting on that table, you have to engage the powers that be. And it has to be systemic, it has to be strategic, and it has to be with the goal of sustainable change. Yeah, and it was difficult during the ENSA's campaign because we are now depending on Twitter influencers to engage the government. You know what I find most odd about the whole matter? I remember a comment saying during the ENSA's, and when I saw it, I was really hurt, and it meant what the old people cannot see, who use drone, and everybody joked about it. And I was like, come, this is an IT generation. You know that a drone can only go where the mind of the person controlling it knows. So it doesn't change. And actually this statement came from someone who's serving in government who is older. So it was even more keen the fact that they thought in that process. Let's understand. The people in power right now, and I heard this when I was in South South, and I was with some politicians, they said something to me. We took over power from our fathers who didn't go to university and who lived in a hamlet. I said, we were schooled in America, ATC. Do you think you want to take power from us with university degrees? You're going to come without a plan? Oh well. Time is never our friend on this program. However, the Advocacy continues on our social media platforms on Facebook. That's Plus TV Africa with the hashtag The AdvocateNG. Or on Twitter and Instagram at Plus TV Africa with the same hashtag, The AdvocateNG. 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