 Mm-hmm. Yeah, maybe we can reflect a little bit on yesterday what you thought about It So yeah, it was quite a Interesting day we have quite some Issues with the differences between all of these different clusters and sites and so on and unfortunately There's not a really easy answer there so Ideally things would be similar and really under the hood things are quite similar. It's all running Linux. It's all learning running slur It's all running CentOS but But in reality well Who is it that was saying this? Like every site thinks oh, we can make it a little bit easier for our Users so everyone changes things a little bit and that leads to the case where it's really hard to teach to everyone at the same time and I wish there was some sort of better solution to this but Mm-hmm, we could try to adapt our material so it fits every site like it says what the differences are but I'm not Sure, if that really is like yeah, I think it yeah And at the same time like I highly recommend like you're trying to take the I'm gonna say it like the general General what it what it what is common in what we are talking and I'm trying to get a grasp on that Because like basically it's this kind of a situation where if you go to a kitchen You don't necessarily know where they like if you want to cook some food and you Go to a friend's apartment somewhere. You don't know where they put their like pants and pots Yes, so they might be needed over the stove or somewhere around there And like you might open so few cupboards you might find wrong cupboards like stuff is for in the wrong like wrong place in your mind Like because in your apartment everything is is set perfectly like everything is set to your standards and your way and And you're accustomed to it, but of course like some other sites some other Kitchen might have the stuff arranged a bit differently, but you still know that they're probably there like if it's a Working kitchen it's still past the pants and the pots that you need so so you can work with that like it's just like dealing with the minutiae of the details and and That is you shouldn't let yourself get too much an earth snipe by the body details and yeah, just like try to get the general feeling of Yeah, the underlying tools Yeah, like that would be sort of my long-term plan like realize we can't We can't make a truly interactive workshop for everyone because then we start spending more and more time like Explaining what these differences are, but if we can somehow show one example and explain the concepts more then Everyone's equipped to go read the documentation. There was one feedback from yesterday that said something like Do you expect for us to remember all of these commands and then go read some long documentation to Do things well, it said and so I'm not quite sure what the question was there But I really like we don't expect you to remember everything. We're typing right now It just not possible and we're doing it quickly In all but we do hope that you can see a demo of it and then you're equipped to go to the other documentation and then read it and refresh yourself when you need to and Thus like all of our Other conversation about how we think about things is thus the more important part then the actual thing We're typing so even if you aren't at alto. Hopefully you can see these other like see the general stuff we're doing and Even if you don't do the exercises and can't because things are somehow different And also about like remembering the documentation I want to mention that like even we don't remember all of that stuff like like we have better Better things to remember than all of the minutiae of the actual what was there like command line? For these specific command like like you can look it up and like I personally do it all the time So I I have often googled for a question and it has pointed us to our Documentation where I have written the documentation and I haven't even like remembered. Okay. I have written this because like Like you don't once you have lots of the like the small details and special cases and stuff like that It's it's usually better to spend your time like just knowing that there is a special case and then just okay I will need to look up what where the like special rules that you need to do. So it's like like if you're a Like a flight pilot like they have these emergency books like for all kinds of situations Like when they have like an emergency, they open the book and they look look up What what instruction should I do in these kind of situations because like no You wouldn't like it's a complex machine like flying a plane and there's so many different situations that one can Go into like when you're flying a plane that like nobody should expect a pilot to learn every situation by heart Of course, they learn about the general Practice of general like how things behave and how things are related in let's say a plane But they don't like it's it's absurd to think that everybody could learn all of this small details And that's why I highly recommend like Going back to the material and also if the material is bad I'm just letting us know about it because then like we might even not notice that something might be amiss there Yeah, so so it's like this ongoing process And it's it's better to like just go with the flow then and just Mm-hmm too deeply and a grain yourself that I should remember everything. Yeah, that's now it's how usually works Yeah, like it's like in a real real work. You can't like remember everything. It's impossible. There's too much details Yeah, I Mean really our main Benefit is we're able to search for stuff faster Um So yeah, so today if you notice like if we're talking about something that you think is Not relevant and you wish we would just go faster just immediately in the hack and the write down Can you move on or this is not good or whatever? Or if it's too complex or confusing But but the same token if something is good then let us know because otherwise we just hear the bad parts Let's see And then What else Yeah, and today well first off today will what we'll be doing is just much more suitable for many examples So on day one, there wasn't much hands-on stuff to do on day two It was all getting ready and not many examples until the very end and now we can hopefully do a lot more examples and demos But still I do we do agree with some of the comments that we need to base this more on showing things rather than saying things but Mmm Yeah, it can be difficult to make this work. Yeah, it's too fast should we start showing things and yeah