 Roger has been going well. It's good. I'll be honest. I'm a little I'm a little relieved. It's end of this week Maybe another week of shows Yeah, but it's only four right you're not doing one on Monday, right? Yeah, I'm not doing one on Monday It's gonna be Scott Scott Justin Justin. That's good. It'll be like double-man twins except That's twins. Yeah, we're not twins and we don't share our gum I've been following along on a on slack like I see all the slack so it sounds like everything was going pretty well, so Yeah, I'd argue the whole I think everybody's done real good. I don't I don't I think Tom has Nothing to be afraid of these two times should be worried about his job What's it called when you take a ship over there's a word for that mutiny there you go you surfer Yeah Going to use surface power. I Love that word Such a power play move. No, it's so good. So Scott for all intents and purposes. You are the you are the Tom this week Pretty much. I mean I did not to the for the show today Yeah, we'll start a day and then I was for Wednesday and the next Tuesday. I was there Yeah, and then Patrick was for the other two days and then Justin What was for this Monday and for next Thursday Friday? You have any of Who would who didn't do any extra? I guess that's pretty much everybody. Oh, no Yeah, Veronica. No, no Veronica. Yeah, and then No Darren, right? Yeah, Darren Darren couldn't have done it anyway because he was he's out right Something I don't even know let me let me call Annaly to see if she looks like she's on Yeah Well, I see her little avatar. Oh, I do too Well, she's muted. I'm saying you button on her picture I think I may have already finished this drawing. I started really early That they're in chill I sit on your in chill That's good though because it's a holiday weekend, right? Yeah, why not? Yeah, you should go on the other day you and I started talking 11 years ago. I know well, that's it's crazy It's just I mean, I was looking at stuff like I use that time hop thing I'm looking at stuff like when when we went to Vegas, right? And you have to go home early because you got sick Let's talking about Brian show the Coverville show where Richard cheese spit on people. Yep. Yeah That story comes up all the time still in TMS I listened to him the first time since that show and I'm like this guy sucks He's terrible He's the worst, you know, like I and then I went back and I read like everything Brian wrote and I'm like I sort of get what's going on But he should have known that like what was happening well also Brian's just too nice like he's ever gonna say anything well, you know, I mean he It was he probably should have said something about if I were Brian, I would have I would have if it were me I would have been a total like a loudmouth about it. But Brian is just he's so much more of the The diplomat that I am with that kind of stuff. Yeah, he didn't want it to be a bad experience for anybody He leaves no tastes no bad taste in anywhere Sounds gross Never leave a bad taste in someone else May I just if you guys don't mind we might have to start just a little bit later. Just give her more time Figure out I'm good tell Wait, are you are you I'm the mutual? Where's that audio coming from? I don't know that land Maybe Is that me? I don't know. Let me let me me myself. Oh Must have been I don't hear now. Yeah, this is you Lynn. I was typing. I think well It's also when you're not type or when you're not talking it's like your mic goes into extra listen mode and it can just hear More of the room. Oh, gotcha. I mean won't you have the window open here, too? So That might be something Make sure All these articles down and I think I do I've been looking at the main topic and kind of forgot to check up top. Make sure nothing changed. Oh Yeah Is there any last-minute things I need to stick in Have you ever friended someone on Facebook because you thought they were someone else and then you realize after That they weren't that person Messages to people that I thought were someone's because I think I did that This is woman that kind of looks like this person I know I usually expect to see she accepted your friend of course now no no shit. Yeah, and it's just like oh like I think the weirdest friendship I have is Some kid I met like a like a like a 18 year old kid who was going into the army I met him on a plane on the way to Seattle and then he looked like I We exchanged like gamer tags or something then then he found me on Facebook or something and now he's my friend But I never I'm like, I don't really know you. Yeah, you're just a guy. I was on a plane with You have to be careful. You've watched that movie Red Eye. There's that yeah What's his name? Killian Murphy's in that yeah, the the passenger latches on to the Stewardess and then toes because like this stalker freak and oh Dad at their at his house No, nothing like that, but I think they're the kid I Told him I was an artist and he was kind of like a budding artist So he was like so see so he was kind of sending me like samples and stuff And I'm like, no, I'm not really I'm not really I'm not really interested in giving feedback I have I have friended someone on steam who had the same almost same exact handle as My other friend except that they added the in front of it And so like I did a search for in the first one was the blah blah blah. It's like, oh, that's must be it. It clicked No, we're friends now. It's like I see you all the time, but you never want to play with me. It's like, that's not me You'll have to unmute yourself and Lee She muted still yeah, you have to do it for if you go to the top and you'll see the low I didn't know I was supposed to be talking. I was trying to be polite so you wouldn't hear me like burping and stuff Oh, no, feel free to So basically I'm gonna give you a quick rundown of how the show works Scott our host the gentleman on the far right with the white headphones Filling in for Tom He's gonna host and we're gonna go through the top stories trending stories that we've picked And he's gonna basically read two sentences and he's gonna ask you for your opinion on them You don't need to have one you can just like yeah, it sucks Sounds good and then that'll take about eight ten minutes and then they'll be straight into the discussion Yes, our world of planned obsolescence. By the way, I'm a gigantic fan of your founded your co-founded original project I own iron and oh, thanks very much love it. Do you miss doing that? Of course, yeah, I mean I love being at ours Technica though. It's kind of you know, it's it's all good Yeah, it is a good trade. I listed you as a writer Do you have a specific title and ours Technica? I am tech culture editor, which basically means writer But yeah, and then I also listed you as author or do you want that off like is oh, no I am an author my I have a novel coming out next year. Oh So wait this is it out of it. Is this your first nonfiction or not fiction. Yeah, well super cool Yeah, it's about a pirate and a robot. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it's gonna be good. I mean it is good It's already done, but it won't be published till next year, so Do you have it? Do you want to plug it? You can totally plug it if you want Um, I mean it really isn't gonna be out until this time next year. So I mean I can it's called autonomous and Yeah, I mean we can plug it Just so you know, we're out live right now streaming, but the show isn't started yet People are watching the live stream. Well Here so you've have anything you do or do not want to say or you need to keep covert Okay, yeah, yeah, no the book coming out next year autonomous tour books You probably can't even get it on Amazon yet, but yeah, thank you for rushing over to do the show. Yeah, no problem Len Comes in on Fridays and what he does is he draws the discussion topic. So at the end of the show Oh, that's what I needed to write in I needed to write in with a visit with a quick visit with Len. Yeah Quick visit with Len on that was the name of my autobiography by the way Everything on lens wall. Can we get a tour of lens wall? Oh, yeah, let's see. Well, there's not there's an Avengers poster Very nice See what do I got I guess I just a lot of like stuff. It was more just for Are there like any things and bigfoot things because you used to always tell me no No, but there's misbusters. There's sign poster there is a Scott Pilgrim poster. I signed Mary and call poster It is some art from my son. Here's a anonymous Picture there Little swag from the revolution Yeah, actually that was a Halloween costume from a while ago, but it's just like stuff I you know, whenever you go to like a con people hand you these It's just cards and stuff. So I just take them rather than toss them when I get home from a con I just put them on my wall. Yeah, I have some some wacky stuff like that Some of these things don't even know what they are All right, Scott it is time. I'm gonna hide Yeah, well, I'm gonna hide Glenn's gonna hide. Yeah, I'll hide after after the intro. I'll hide Yeah, I'll introduce you and then you can all hide and then I will just basically do the screens for the stories So I'm recording and then you just need to record the actual show Scott. Yeah, I got that going We're good. Cool. And then I will disappear in three two one All right, here goes everybody hold tight and Lee. Thanks again for doing this. Yeah. Thanks for having me very meaningful Let's see here. How do I need to start this? Okay, I'll do a little countdown do a little music and then off we go Oh, and I got a read up top. Let me get that ready. Okay Here goes in three two one The Daily Tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out more at the Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news show for Friday September 2nd 2016 I'm Scott Johnson Tom Merritt is still out this week He is currently in Seoul, Korea I believe hopefully getting lots of cheap cool stuff today. I'm joined by Annalie new it's she is a tech culture editor for Ars Technica and an author of an upcoming book and It's always good to have new people on here when I'm doing this guest hosting stuff. So thanks so much for being here Annalie. Yeah, thanks for having me former founder and editor of I09. I loved that. Well, I'd love that website I still love it. It's amazing You're missed there, but you built something rad and it continues on yet still going strong. That's good Also, it wouldn't be Friday without Len Peralta everybody Len over there on in this corner What's going on Len? Oh, you know just drawn in my corner. That's all it's happening here That's good getting ready for the holiday weekend here in the US Len and I have been buddies since like 2004 20-04 and it's always nice when he and I get to bump together and do something fun like this So absolutely have you here be drawn over there something related to today's topic which we'll get to in a minute There's a lot going on new Wall Street Journal report adds credence to previous rumors that Nintendo is planning to use cartridges Rather than optical disc for its still shadowy NX unannounced console well technically it's announced but not no details yet Anyway, that's kind of interesting, but also apparently advances in flash memory have made cartridges cost-effective with optical discs We are going a little bit slower those looking faster and harder to pirate that stuff So back to the old days with Nintendo, but here are some more of the top stories All right, let's dig in here and Lee and we're gonna talk a little later about product Obsolescence and that includes our cell phones that includes our televisions and our game consoles and our computers now and Very anxious to sort of dig into that topic But before that I'm going to tell you about this story of forty three point five million usernames passwords and addresses Join date and other data were stolen during the 2012 breach against last FM For those kids not to know last FM used to be a huge deal. It's not so much anymore Anyway, ZD net reports at the site leaked source revealed the details in a blog post with ZD net independently confirming the legitimacy of this data and Annalie it seems like I Day can't go by without hearing about three or four big data breaches like this I know it's kind of incredible and I mean something like last FM where you know as you sort of were pointing out You know, it's it's not it's not as popular as it once was But you know our data still kind of lives on in these Abandoned social media spaces and so that's I mean that's one of the interesting things about it is you you often kind of forget How much of a trail you've left behind? Yeah, it'd be nice I was I was reading a we don't actually have it in the news today I was reading an article yesterday or maybe was today that Apple's planning on getting rid of a bunch of what they are referring to as abandoned apps in the app store and it got me to thinking about Like all that if you could make a physical trash heap from what we've spent in the last ten years on digital things It would be insane and we forget we even have them. I've probably got a Facebook password and stuff out there for all I know I don't I have I have a LinkedIn account that I started about 15 years ago I think and I started it in order to hack it to write a story for a now defunct website And it's still there. I still get I still get garbage from it You know, it's it's ham not spam, of course because of course and you probably got the funny thing is the website That's now defunct probably has some login for information for used to use their content management stuff So yeah, it's really everywhere and we forget that that footprint gets left behind us sometimes until there's a breach like this And you're like, oh, yeah, I had Frinster for about hot ten minutes. Yeah, exactly tribe net Yeah With the the 2012 haven't changed your login thing for Dropbox a few days ago got that all fixed up But yeah, be careful out there everybody and I the worry I have is the older the service The less that service depending on their prominence in the market today The less that service is concerned with things like making sure that data safe So exactly and they may even just be selling that data because that's all that they have left to make money Listen gotta pay them bills According to a reliable source Google will hold a hardware event. This is gonna happen on October 4th They're gonna unveil the new pixel branded smartphones. At least that's the thinking the pixel and pixel XL a 4k chromecast device sounds like fun and new Google home details, which we got a glimpse of at their most recent conference and It's in-house daydream VR viewer device, which again, they talked about their last event android Please also reports that the 4k chromecast will do 4k video and be called chromecast plus Or chromecast ultra and the daydream hardware might be called daydream view These are all just sort of rumors and things going around it either or did any of these exciting new Bits of progress and or hardware from Google excite you at all Are you excited to see I guess more of this to happen at this event? I mean, I'm excited. I love the pixel I mean the laptop pixel and so I'm curious to see What is gonna happen with those phones? I mean, I'm always a fan of any phone that's running pure Android just because once it's not it's just Garbage as I'm sure you've noticed So I mean that sounds interesting I'm always curious about anything related to Google home because I feel like that's been a sad place for Google Google Nest was kind of a is kind of a Let's call it a sad place Okay, not delve too much and hurt the company's feelings anymore than it needs to be but You know, I just I'm curious to see where they're gonna take it You know, are we ever gonna have a smart home that doesn't cause Google engineers to make angry YouTube videos about tearing all of their Nest equipment out of their house and throwing it into a bucket which is an actual video that you yeah, I hope so too I don't want I don't want another Google project that doesn't feel like they want to do it as much as we want them to do it Yeah, it's over there and when they do it. It's amazing when they do stuff, right? It's incredible But once in a while they'll say here's this hot new thing and then people will buy in and two years later They'll shut it down or sell it or let you know that Google news readers no longer going to exist or whatever it may be I'm hoping home and yeah reader remember that. I still have a lot of feelings about that. I'm not really ready to talk about it Yeah, I I quite liked it at the time and now I'm super sad that it doesn't exist anymore But I the other thing I hope to see from this home thing is that the device they showed off at their last event at Google I o Looked like an air freshener and I'm really hoping that they beef that thing up to not look quite like a wick Or or go all the way and make it an air freshener that'd be fine Yeah, a smart air freshener I mean just go for it Twitter announced Thursday that brand partners can now sponsor Periscope broadcasts and create branded video highlights with pre-roll ads via its Amplify program live videos will not feature pre-roll for ads min midstream Or sorry or or midstream branded videos will have to include name of the sponsor in the broadcast title The program is launching with chase and gray goose sponsoring video of retired tennis player Andy Roddick In the US Open or at the US Open. How do you feel about a Twitter getting into the old? Hey, let's throw video ads in your face world well, it's interesting because To me it feels more like they're getting into the idea of sponsored content Which kind of takes you away from having those terrible videos like shot into your eyeballs because the idea of having a sponsor is as they say You'll have the name of the sponsor, but then you'll get this kind of ad-free experience Just because the name of the sponsor will be hovering around somewhere and that seems like that's kind of where social media has been going Generally, it's been happening in print to where instead of getting ads popping up on a site You'll see a post and they'll be like a little tiny thing in the corner that says, you know brought to you by AT&T This story about how phones are great and that you should buy them never unlocked is brought to you by AT&T So I think I mean it actually makes a lot of sense to me It may actually be a better user experience although we'll have to wait and see yeah Yeah, wait and see on the sort of thing who knows but it's interesting I was thinking about these guys the other day Periscope has done really well for them been great live streaming big deal Also, Facebook seems to be doing with well with Facebook live though They're all on the right track and then I remembered. Oh, yeah, that's right Twitter owns vine And there's no way to monetize that thing you only get six seconds as it is So even if you put a six-second bumper in front of a six-second video, which means you've got 12 seconds of total video Did the capacity to stay and watch that is so limited over there on that platform? I always wonder when there's gonna be a breaking news story probably right on this show that Twitter has decided to either spin that out to somebody else sell it or stop doing it all together And then what would all the vine stars do with their lives? I know it's so sad They're gonna be demonetized. I suppose nobody wants to be demonetized I like that Samsung has stopped sales of the galaxy note 7 smartphone due to a fire risk from faulty batteries I was here about exploding phones. Usually it's somebody complaining about an iPhone I found but take your galaxy note 7 may be the culprit the company has verified 35 cases that have been reported globally. That's a direct quote and they're offering replacements for anyone Who would already purchase one that has stopped short of full recall? I had a near explosion experience the other day with my iPhone 6s. I'm playing this Deus Ex game this mobile go game that they made really good It's fantastic. In fact, however, I can't be five minutes into playing that without the left side of my phone Depending on which web oriented it getting so hot That it feels like I'm I may get close to burning my hand or something bad's gonna happen I had to stop playing it because I don't want to pop a battery over some games lousy Optimization and it's using the battery or something if you ever had a ever had a hot phone and I don't mean a stolen one Well, I play Pokemon go because I'm a normal person and and that heats my phone up and it's it's it's not just heating it up but I have a Yeah, I have a Nexus 5x which is a terrible phone. I'm very sad about it And so it just it wrecks the phone like the phone It's not just I mean it it be gets it gets really hot then the phone like loses its mind and then Pokemon is screwed up then everything is screwed up and Usually it's always right when I'm babysitting my nine-year-old neighbor and she's like They don't need that they don't care about technical hurdles. They just I'm slowly teaching her about that You got to start them while they're young. I think you're doing the dark side America, thanks you I suppose Ad blocking web browser brave introduced the beta of brave payments today In fact brave payments as a Bitcoin based micro payment system to let users automatically and anonymously pay on Websites the idea is the visitors who enjoy a website and then fund them individually not unlike something like patreon or you know the way People have done things with PayPal in the past. However, the you don't need to go anywhere. You just do it right from the page So the need to use invasive ads or ads with trackers is gone And this in turn helps improve the privacy of web visitors and in theory gives them a much better experience Which means in theory they're going to tip you more on your website but I would ask this question here we are in 2016 and There are lots of ways for crowdfunding this very show is crowdfunded a lot of the work I do is crowdfunded and I absolutely love that we have mechanisms to do all of that But I feel like it's a little late and if if somebody's gonna come in they really need to be promising me some major innovation And I'm not sure just making it easier to pay me through Bitcoin is the way to do it given that Bitcoin's still a little volatile in terms Of it's up and down every day Give a thought on that in kind of opinion on whether that kind of monetization is good bad middle I you know I With with apologies to my Bitcoin friends. I saw the word Bitcoin and I just kind of it just I didn't think It was gonna be a mainstream success. That's all Respect the Bitcoin project. I think it's a really interesting idea, but might not be the way to monetize Your next publishing venture. I still come in here on the show and when I'm well with Tom He hates this too. So Tom have fun in Korea because you can't do anything about it today But I always act like I'm a little flummoxed by the idea and I still kind of am I get it now I understand the mechanisms behind Bitcoin how it functions how it works Where it's working who's doing it like all that stuff makes more sense to me now But I still my brain cannot get around this idea that we've got digital money That doesn't exist in any other way even though I know most of the money we deal with every day doesn't exist in any real way the paper in my pocket Really is just paper at the end of the day But my brain's not yet converted to this maybe a far-flung generation will be so until then You throw Bitcoin into the conversation and I just my brain starts going dark web Like you know, it's just to me It's like this nebulous space of where nobody has responsibility for anything and it still just freaks me out Yeah, I mean I I think that people do take responsibility and of course that's kind of the beauty of the blockchain but The idea that this would be a mainstream way of funding your site I think you know you're going to get money from Bitcoin enthusiasts Which means if you're running a site that's devoted to cryptocurrency Thumbs up but otherwise, you know, like if I'm you know at ours technica actually we might get a significant amount Bitcoin people so that would be lovely actually But I don't think it's a good long-term solution. I think yeah I just I'm just it just weirds me out and I know people are going to write in and go Come on Scott. We've heard this before get it get with the program. Yeah, just weird it out by it still And there's not much I can say to change my mind and maybe one day I'll be swimming in bitcoins But until then mm-hmm or Bitcoin. Yeah, we're Bitcoin slice of a Bitcoin But yeah, no, it's a good way to it's a good way to buy pot. It seems like the main main application for it I mean, I'm just telling it like it is people We're calling a spade a spade today It's an easier way to get your pot. I like Big thanks to everybody submitted stories today, by the way another J Martin flowbama and all those who participate in a subreddit reddit That's a daily tech news show dot subreddit.com submit your stories go and vote on them might make it on the show That's gonna do it for the headlines All right, our main topic today, we are gonna talk about planned obsolescence or at least the idea of planned also obsolescence There are some who would argue and we found examples of this in our research that there is no such thing that this is But we see today and people buying new phones every two years is nothing more than people wanting the latest and the greatest others would say Sure, but the companies are also making that Making it so easy for you to want a cave and do it by making your operating system obsolete or by Creating market conditions that make your phone seem slow and old in a month or in a year Whereas if this was a device built in the 1940s, it would be made to last Potentially a lifetime and that you know, there's a lot of arguments to be made about culture and where we were then versus where we are now And how we might go there again one day But I'm it's a it's a issue. I'm very curious about just on the surface level. Are you Analy feeling that that pinch especially with phones like you're just talking about how your phone You're not loving where your phones at right now You're probably someone who needs to maybe look at an upgrade and what has it been a couple years since your last one Yeah, about a year and a half. Yeah Yeah, and that's it's really it's disappointing. I mean I'm I'm a big fan of the folks over at I fix it I fix it calm where they do these incredibly detailed it's a big group of people working together doing detailed tear downs of Popular technologies teaching you how to fix it yourself And I really want to live in the I fix it future I want to live in a world where we don't expect to buy a new phone every two years We expect to learn how to fix our own phone or to bring it to someone who can and that we really do Try to have a sustainable relationship with technology which sounds a little cheesy and kind of hippie-like, but I think it's it would it would be better for the environment. It also be better for us I mean so that we don't have to constantly spend money all the time Churning through these devices that there's no reason to keep buying other than just to kind of Help Apple, you know Get more money. Yeah, it's a weird dichotomy. However, I mean, okay So on the one hand when you come out with a new technology Let's say let's say a revolutionary moment was the iPhone and now what we do with Android and Apple and everybody else Has a trajectory where you can look at that point and go alright. That was a big deal. Yeah, but It's a lot harder argument in 2007 to say hey keep the iPhone one around for eight years Then it is today to say hey keep the 6 plus and the Note 7 and the whatever I want you to keep that stuff around For a longer period of time. It's an easier argument today because we're kind of are at the point of diminishing returns The phones are capable of much more than we are even using them for They become efficient in ways that could make them last a lot longer and by all accounts That's actually true people are keeping their phones a little longer and then you see the industry swoop in and go all right Well here at AT&T or Verizon or whoever cocks up in Canada they're all like well look here's what we're gonna do now You're gonna want to bring your phone in every year and get a new one because we've got this cool new monthly payment plan Thing which means you never have to buy the initial phone and you just pay 30 bucks a month and boom at yours But the trick is you got to bring it in every year and it can't be broken and a babble blah blah blah So they've got another artificial way for us to be encouraged to upgrade the phone on the yearly basis So I guess my point is to get down to brass tacks if you've got a A world where they make one device and it lasts a very long time But it's based on a device that needed a quick iteration You're asking the entire industry to shift gears in a way that immediately means huge lost profits And so I don't know how to tell those companies. They can't do it anymore You know what I mean? I don't know how to tell them. All right. Go back it up You know like seriously come up with a come up with a new product Start figuring out ways to upgrade the phone That is at the software level or the firmware level Figure out ways to make money, you know through the phone, but through service as opposed to new hardware I know what you're saying. Of course. We want innovation, right? We do want to have new devices that are cool But we have reached this kind of plateau where you know It used to be that like you said like just even five years ago every year. It was like holy crap there's like this new phone that's like You know amazing or there's a new device that might ever even thought could exist before now we sort of know the ecosystem and The the place where we're seeing innovation is in you know Connected devices or Internet of Things or whatever the heck we're going to call it and a lot of those devices either kind of don't exist yet Or they're going to be devices that actually do have to last a long time because they might be built into the infrastructure of our homes or Cities and so you're not going to want to be upgrading your house every year. That would just be a freaking nightmare You know and or yeah, I mean it's going to be bad enough when we get like the silent software updates And then like everything in your house is like beeping and going crazy Or not working So I think you know there needs to be a rethinking of of how companies sell to us sell us gadgets and it's it kind of reminds me a little bit of the energy industry where there's a lot of companies that have specialized in oil and gas and They're like what do we do now and of course the little nerds like me are like well Why don't you go into alternative energy and that's very easy to say? It's a huge shift, but that is what's going to have to happen It's not going to happen overnight But like we are going to have to see some of these industries shift directions and figure out how to make money In ways that you know make more sense for a sustainable economy Yeah, and it is a it's part of the free market that you need to adapt and so I agree with you on that point exactly There's an article on BBC comm that said this about this topic and the name of the topic was here's the truth Or the hard truth about planned obsolescence That is to an extent planned obsolescence is an inevitable consequence of sustainable businesses giving people goods. They desire To some degree I think that that's true in this way planned obsolescence serves as a reflection of a ravenous consumer culture Which industries did create for their benefit yet? We hardly are alone in doing so That's an interesting point a lot of this is driven by us. We want what we want and we want it when we want it It's interesting though. I do you think a company could ever Big deep down and find a I mean is there a moral compass in a company culture that says Guys, you know what we should do we should not release a new this or that this year We had just really support the one that's out there like and then the people complain like well Hey, welcome. There's been a new MacBook update in two years What's going on Apple and then you know, I'm not saying that that was the reason for being late But but you understand my point like it it's a very double-edged sword for a lot of consumers Well, we've been trained to want like the new MacBook right and and then of course when we get them We hate them and we're like, oh my god. Look at those batteries. Oh, you know terrible So I think I mean part of that is that it's been trained into us and like I said, we need replacement products, right? We need for more upgrades that can maybe improve the functionality of the phone. We need Things like phones that you can actually take apart. So maybe you can get a battery upgrade. Maybe you can get You know a new processor in your phone, but without replacing the entire phone Or like I said, you know looking more toward apps and software as being kind of the future of how we upgrade And there's no reason why companies can't be making money on that and be making money on the services that they're providing And so I think you know again, it's not as sexy as like a new Rose gold phone, which I think kind of actually has a dubious level of sexiness, but It's I mean some people really liked it, which is great But I mean, you know, but also you could just get a new case like that could be a thing like this year We're introducing like 50 new awesome apps and a new case and a new battery And like you can actually have this optional new camera because we've built our phones to last like a car or Like a bridge and so you're not gonna just build a bridge and leave it to sit there You are gonna be upgrading it all the time, but You know, it won't be as it won't be like a new bridge every year Yeah, at some point they they're they're they're doing what the market will bear and it is on us to bear what we're gonna bear And if we buy into all this market each marketing and we keep buying a thing every year I know I'm part of the problem. Yeah, me too. I mean, I was just complaining about my basically brand new phone I mean, it's true. Like it's yeah, but part of the problem is you've got this basically brand new phone that now has had some updates that have made it slower and That's part of the accusation about, you know Planned obsolescence as one of the areas of the market that is interesting to me as televisions They're always turning around saying hey, you need 3d. No, we don't I like my TV I'm gonna keep it as long as I have like that is a piece of furniture. It's more like a fridge or a sort of range or something in your house You don't want to upgrade that thing very often and so people are happy with their 1080p's that they bought two years ago And don't need to be told every year 3d didn't do the trick 4k is sort of doing it, but it took them a while Those reason you know smart smarter TV seem to be a wheeze it But now Sony's letting everybody know they sent out a notice saying that YouTube the app will no longer work on some 2012 smart smart TVs are from that era roughly And saying it's not Sony's fault YouTube and they're changing, you know the YouTube app and The way that they use the app is all different now and the TVs can't be firm-weared up to handle it Maybe TVs are trying to find a way to make you go to Costco once here and spend $1,500 But you see what I mean like we are starting to see those companies try to do it with our less ephemeral products And that's when I start to get a little fishy about it. I'm like, okay guys calm down everyone Buy your PlayStation every time you make one and I'll buy that, you know Sony Xperia phone every time there's a decent upgrade, but don't try to make me get a new TV every year I mean, it's hard. I just had to get a new TV admittedly. I had not gotten a new TV in ten years So I did it was you know, it was a good long run for that old plasma screen TV that I had But it couldn't work with my streamer. It was finally it was really just an issue of like literally it did not have enough Inputs like for me to use like both a DVD player and a streamer and various other devices that I don't want to go into but So it you know the TV itself would have been fine, but it just didn't interoperate with the rest of my Devices so things my TV. I've got four slots are awful. I have a fifth device I don't know how I'm gonna use it I'm in the same position partly because I'm a dork and I want I have some old VHS tapes So I in I actually found they still exist. You can still buy a nice VCR And you know, sometimes I want to watch my Star Wars VHS tape, you know The good one exactly unaltered and so Sometimes you just got to switch things around and you know Anyway, I know their switchboxes other people. I'm aware of that and that's great But yeah, I want to just go to the TV. Thank you very much. Yeah I want to just like give me every frickin give me like 10 input, you know, like why why can't I have 10? I don't know. Anyway, I do think that's true And I think what we're gonna see with TVs eventually of course is we're all gonna be watching on our computers anyway So having a TV, that's just a monitor, right? Like that's just gonna be part of your house network and you know, you're gonna be Playing games on it and doing work on it and you know Broadcasting this show on it, you know, holographic projections. That's what I'm waiting for. I'm waiting for the holographic doctor That would be great. My final. Oh, I would actually love that. I'm just a doctor. I'm not embarrassed to see I And if it could be Robert Ricardo, that'd be great, too Let's right it would be like really cheesy dad jokes all day long. I like it. I like those too So what was I gonna? Oh, I'm gonna finish this out just by one quick anecdote my grandmother bought in 1950 something and iron like for clothes and It's that old and I still have it and it was given to me when she died 1998 Before that we were buying the you know GE white plastic one and it would work for a while and that would eventually break and we go buy another $50 one at Walmart And that would break and all this time she's over there using this thing from the 50s She passes away 98 gives it to me for some reason. It's on her will to give it to me I don't know why maybe she thought I was having a bad time with irons. I Have had that iron since 1998 here we're in 2016 almost 20 years later Couple years shy and it still works perfectly every time I use it plugs into any wall Never breaks never overheats hasn't burned out haven't had to do anything to it. Nice there's an example of something made to last that Literally, we don't do anymore Probably because that's not enough money for those people like how Doc Martin stays in business. You got me because their shoes never die Mm-hmm 20 pair 20 year old pair upstairs, and I'm never gonna need another pair of Doc Martens So how they've been able to survive on everybody having perfect shoes forever. I don't know But yeah, there you go planned obsolescence if you have thoughts at home feedback at daily tech new show comm is the email address We would love to know your views on said subject speaking of that address We got an email from Russell who chimed in on the discussion over YouTube's demonetization of ad unfriendly content And he says this this is a big controversy for a lot of youtubers on the show yesterday Patrick and Jim We're talking about YouTube's decision to remove ads from some content They deemed offensive while this may upset some creators YouTube is a private company It feels like some of the reaction to this in the press is looking at them as if they were a government or public service As a private enterprise they have the right to make these kind of decisions and bear the consequences just my two cents Says PS the guest hosting teams are doing great. Well, thank you very much Russell. I'll include myself in that group. That's pretty interesting the it is easy to see the bigger companies are lives as as kind of Governmental and we want to scream censorship or something whenever they do something like this But at the end of the day, they're sometimes publicly traded but not publicly governed They're just companies trying to make a good bottom line. What you're feeling on this whole Ad mess that they're having right now with YouTube the demonetization scandal I mean, I think it's it's not about censorship And I actually haven't heard anyone crying censorship over it And I agree that that doesn't make any sense with a private company The issue really is that for a lot of these YouTube stars, you know, they're bringing in millions and millions of viewers So they are arguably helping YouTube They are arguably bringing in money bringing in an audience for YouTube And so I think the issue is a sense of fairness, you know that if we've been bringing in millions of viewers We expect to get some profit out of it and that has been the model people signed up for YouTube and created their channels and gained their audiences on YouTube with the Understanding that they would make money and it feels a little bit I think for a lot of people like Google just changed the terms of the of the contract right in the midstream You know, right just because well, you know, some advertisers were uncomfortable about people talking about natural disasters That's my favorite one is that you nobody wants their ad next to you talking about an earthquake Sounds controversial. So I think that's really the issue is it is actually Precisely the fact that it's a private company that's making money and these are people who felt like they had a contract And now they don't get to make money It it's great though because I love the phrase demonetization because I now want to apply it to everything that I think should be demonetized Let's demonetize, you know mobile devices. Let's do you monetize I what I hope happens is I don't know I hope they figure it out It's a little hard when you are a platform and everybody uses your platform to make money And then when the platform makes a decision that affects you suddenly you're kind of at a loss This happens in video games a lot professional e-sports, for example If a game changes something major it affects these teams that literally make millions of dollars in prize money on playing there It is their business the entire companies that do it and without the platform There is no business and it really safe and makes you start to think oh, yeah, that's right I am beholden to YouTube if I want to be a YouTube star or whatever Whatever I want to do at the end of the day if if Google and YouTube make a big shift or some big change that affects me There's so little you can do It's interesting what you said about e-sports because that made me really think that this is about how we're in this shift between thinking of you know broadcasters and audiences and That was the traditional model, but now you have these audiences that are themselves. They're not consumers They're actually making content. They're making a living on it. And so you know Google is probably looking at it as like Oh, well, this is for our you know, we're changing something. That's a consumer product Not that they're actually in business with any of these youtubers But in fact they are and I think I'm yeah, you know This is a problem. We've had for years now in social media where you know There's this confusion between who is a producer? Who's a consumer? Who's the audience? Who's the broadcaster? And this is just like the latest mealy in that kind of Battle so yeah, what's everyone gonna do? Are they gonna go to Vimeo like where are they gonna go? I don't know. I mean plenty of services who always always been sort of also rands in the shadow of YouTube That wouldn't mind taking up the call, but yeah, I don't know that it can I mean it's such a strong ecosystem How do you change it? It's part of our blood now Like you can't just yank it and change it and I know they know this right yeah, but ad revenue is a little down on YouTube I've talked to youtubers who are huge in Europe and they're like we're not making there as much as we used to So this isn't gonna help them necessarily But it may be helping YouTube in the in the bottom line If you've got an email about similar topics or you want to share your thoughts Your consternation your disagreement or your agreement you can always send those to us at feedback at Daily Tech News show Dot-com and that goes for any software or service you guys would like to recommend Tom always likes having those on the show. Let's take a quick visit with Len here He's been working on some artwork the entire right time. We've been talking. Oh, look at that You know, I wanted to take a more human look at Planned ops a lessons so this you know this is I don't know hope people don't take this the wrong way The image for those of you on the audio is of a cute little iPhone 7 little baby and They're all wrapped up and in the behind this little child is someone lighting a fuse to TNT Which you can only assume that's about a year-long fuse, right? Six months to a year right and then what's gonna happen to this poor little iPhone 7? I guess that's remains to be seen But yeah, I wanted to take a little more human look. Well, well, thank you so much Yeah, thanks always good to have you here, of course Len Peralta store Dot-com as a place you go this and all his other fantastic prints. Thanks. I'm glad to get to do this once around with you, man Good day. Yeah next week again, right? No, no, I don't know I think I'm just Tuesday Wednesday next week, but if not, we'll make Tom leave town some weekend We'll take over isn't there. There'll be a mutiny. It'll be totally fine Big big thanks to you Annalie new it's tell people where they can find you and get your great work. You're doing these days so I'm writing for ours technica.com and if you want to see my Personal work you can always go to Annalie new it's calm and I have a novel coming out next year called autonomous That's about a robot and a pirate. Oh you guys co-founder of I09 making a science fiction novel about a pirate and a robot Have I said all the words you all need to know? Next year this time be looking for Annalie's book. I'm very excited about it. I'm super stoked Are you are you relieved that you're finally kind of to a stage where there's almost an end to the light of the end of the Tunnel kind of thing. Yeah, it's it feels good. Not just now. I have to do the next novel I gotta keep going. Yeah, it's like planned obsolescence. Somebody's gonna need new books soon enough Well, well done. 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See you then This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants.com Diamond Club hopes you have enjoyed this bro And we're clear Awesome, thank you so much. That was free My goal my goal was to have the best guest episode while Tom was out. I think we hit it today Yes, I'm gonna Tom will have to work very hard to beat today's episode Credit Dan Lee. I think you were awesome and it was great having Len here. It just worked out perfect for everybody Yeah, that was an awesome drawing. Thank you for illustration. I should say yes I'm not sure what is the yeah, whatever the most illustrious term is It's a it's a uh, yeah illustration is fine Before we let you go you get to help us vote for show titled. Uh, what do we got uh, roger So the audience, uh, basically submits a bunch of titles for the episode title and we will vote So the top right now is eight pixels worth a thousand nerds Followed up by time is of the obsolescence Three you obsolete me for they don't break them like they used to Um, there's cartridges ain't a flash in the pan I want to feed you through brave Where's the pair where there's periscope? There's buyers galaxy note seven is the bomb Uh, Scott finally gets bitcoin Pete smartphone obscene obsolescence What else have you got uh demonetize obsolescence Fortune favors the brave note and catch fire Wait, there was there was that yesterday note and catch fire That's like any day That's really funny. I think I'm really partial to a pixels worth a thousand nerds or uh time is of the obsolescence is pretty good Yeah, I like those and I like they don't break them like they used to but I actually I like time is of the of the obsolescence Yeah, I think that's probably Yeah, right. We'll let we'll let people vote and see what rises what rises to the top vote Uh show about tv show about dot tv if you're listening Um, uh, that was fantastic. Thank you so much. Yeah, thank you. It was such a crazy day between the screaming baby on my end and Scott's workload on the other screaming scott Screaming scott I can't I can't put scott over my shoulder though You could try roger I could I could Do you need to burp? I could barely hoist my kid over my shoulder. Oh, she's getting big. Yeah, you start weighing more Her head too. It's like a bludgeon. Yeah Like she'll she'll like she'll get really close and then she'll snap her head And it'll hit me in the jaw or the nose and it hurts Put my middle kid. She had a big noggin. I always feel hurt when I had to carry her Give me a bad back Uh, well, uh, I guess we're good. Okay, cool Stay out of trouble have fun and uh, may your book be a huge bestseller in all black And we need to uh catch up some time or meet up somewhere before I head down south What wait, what what is what you're heading down south? Didn't you get my email the whole party thing? I'm leaving at some point sometime this year What the hell? Well, no, this was like a month ago two months ago. Oh god Well, I'll email you I think I yeah, I'd need it to be notified in some other way But I uh, yeah, but we definitely need to Yeah, we should for sure. Yeah, that would be good. All right. Okay. Cool. Thank you so much. Bye you guys Thanks for having me. Good to see you That was a crazy good episode and I mean crazy like I can't believe how good it was Well, listen when you're hopped up on drugs like I know You know what take more of them, dude This is the worst don't do drugs campaign of every part of Please take drugs Uh, I think it went really good. Yeah, it was great. No, you have it was it was fantastic You guys were both on point like you both had Ah, it's great. We didn't even go that long We went Yes, perfect. You know carefully in the 30 to 40. I guess we did 37. That's not bad It's you guys crammed a lot in in the amount of time it was I'll I'll be honest. I'm really impressed like I'm really impressed That makes me happy to hear that went really good on my end too. Well, I am exporting now So I'm going to put it up shortly. Uh, what's the voting end up at? Uh, the time is of the obsolescence. It's a good one That's a good one. Cool. Awesome itself like time is of the obsolescence should be like a I don't know like snow crash sequel or something It does have a very cyber punky Feel to it It's uh, it's pretty cool Man, what's what was the what was the follow on to that book? Um The one I really have a hard time reading. I like I can't get through it at all Oh, I'm that way with any of the, um Not iRobop at the other ones Foundation foundation stuff. I can't I can't do it. I tried I really tried I got into I read them and I kind of like them But like it's not one of those books like American gods are one of those It's one of those books that I read like maybe 10 years ago and it still stays with me But like foundation is one of those it's like a it's like a book you read and like, okay I got it and then you don't think about it anymore. Yeah, I was kind of like that with the um The uh, what do you call them? Well, the spice must flow. What am I doing dune? Oh, I love dune. I like him But I get so lost about book two. I just lose my brain. So this is my secret I've only read the first book. I've always been reading been meaning to read The sequels and I was really interested in some of the other later books written by his son Tom's like, well, maybe you shouldn't read those But someone told me it's In many ways if dune was the only book you read it stands by itself But if you read the the additional follow-on Uh sequels it paints a bigger world that the same time it also kind of narrows it if that makes sense No, yeah Because it starts filling out things and it's like well That's not what I thought and that doesn't sound as cool as what I imagined That's the thing with the matrix, right? The matrix was awesome And then they they tried to explain a bunch of crap in two and three and this like well, that doesn't feel as satisfying That is the truth But yeah, i'm uh, I'm in the middle of a zombie trilogy right now that i'm super into and Can never remember the name of you could ask me right now and I wouldn't know what to tell you I'd have to look it up on amazon. I just keep forgetting But I love it. It's really good. It's written by some ex-military guys. So there's a lot of like paramilitary like Oh, um Jonathan mayberry. Nope different dude. Although. I know mayberry is good too. Um It's like a weird short name I can't ever remember it and i'm in the middle of this book and i'm loving it I remember the name or the guy. Is it a military title like ish? No no It might be just outbreak or something boring like that Yeah, jonathan mayberry does the joe ledger books and those are Patient zero those are the ones he does. Ooh, I want to read those. Yeah, they're good. I'm really good They're like 24 on um with a zombie. Oh really? Yeah, he's like joe ledger is a lot like jack power That sounds great Yeah, i'm in So he's uh, he's older wheezing Uh, what's his name uh, southernland? Uh, yes Although no, just imagine jack power You have to kill zombies an older Sutherland is a great band name or something. It does it sounds like weezer knockoff Not bad The wheezing southern southern linds wheezing southern linds. I love it. It could be a canadian tribute band to weezer Anyway, i'm uh I'm excited to i just there's so many books i want to read right now And I just want to get through this one and then I want to get to that the rest of the series tom recommended Um the rest of the expanse series, which I really like book one Did you read uh ready player one you read? I did, you know you know Yeah, it's like that was pretty fine. He's he's uh, I did not like armada I kind of it was not as good as um as uh ready player one. Yeah did not need for me but At the same time I'm very excited about whatever he does next and the movie adaptation should be interesting to see the movie The movie I mean well, you know, here's the thing with stranger things kind of scratching that itch for the 80s type thing I think they're gonna really um, I think it's a good time for it. So I think it's totally agree with that That's a good if I get a job somewhere in the studio. This is the movie I'm gonna pitch for someone wants to do 80s retro for netflix or whatever I want to do a crossover of the last dragon and big trouble little china Because those two movies are literally made for each other. They just come at it from different. Yeah It could be like the last little china town or something Uh, well speaking of last, let me say thank you very much to the uh, alpha geek radio listeners I'm gonna thanks guys right here. You guys have been awesome. Very supportive Success and then I'm stopping the broadcast. You guys have been amazing. Thank you so much. You guys have been super helpful