 the recording here in just a moment already started great welcome okay so ah got it Olivier we'll take you too many too many cooks in the kitchen I let you finish I'll start taking notes all right so the agenda the proposed agenda topics I had Jenkins release candidate election status report Olivier since you're here that would be a great one for your your voice um user list moderation question this is a question that I raised that I'm happy I would love some like some guidance from the board on hacktoberfest progress and uh Google workspace for Jenkins oh like I assume it yeah that's you okay yes me just said it great okay it's a rather filler topic I haven't started the my only discussion that we have time why not okay any other topics we should be bringing to this session well I will let uh inclusive maybe initiative membership update oh yes yeah anything you need to share from cdf technical oversight committee all like okay uh in the beginning or in the end just okay placeholder if if it if it helps you share status there yeah I can do that any other topics on the agenda okay so this one is just FYI Jenkins the next LTS is the next the release candidate for the next LTS is ready for test um please feel free to go ahead and engage in the testing uh release will happen is expected to happen as scheduled Olivier you want to share with us election status report etc sure sorry so first um at this stage 53 people registered to participate to the election um that's a great number but I think we should find a way to do it better so um we need some ways to promote the election at at least more because at this stage we wrote a blood post we send message on mailing lists um I think can just promote it more on on Twitter um a feedback that I received many many times were coming from people that were asking if they were eligible like apparently it was not really clear enough if a contribution can count um for the election yeah this is a difference from the previous year because previous year we explicitly explained that there are any contribution counts and if you have concerns please contact us so we had this review process this year I guess we basically trust everyone who submits yeah they made some contribution but interesting enough yeah people yeah sorry yeah well I think it's an okay approach uh what we're missing is rather publicity uh so maybe we should do another round of LinkedIn announcements plus we can go Reddit plus we can also ask the continuous delivery foundation to help with marketing so we still have 10 days until the voting registration is over right so we so that's regarding registration that's true but we are also looking for nomination for board members and officer um and for that the deadline is in what is 31 of October because we want to have enough time to contact a different person to be sure that they are interested the good thing is we have several candidates for for almost every position um but compared to last year we receive less nomination so that's the same we should promote more um people to nominate candidates yeah so when so you plan to submit candidates to the Jenkins board on 31st right yes I don't I don't know if we should um communicate about the candidate as soon as possible once we get confirmation from them or if we just wait for 31 well uh previously we were doing a kind of runtime basis because if you communicate on 31st many people won't be able to respond and provide the statements in time plus uh yeah in the Jenkins governance board so 31st is Sunday how soon we will be able to review these candidates so it's probably a question to Gavin and Dule and yeah William is also on the call I'm I'm trying to not get too involved with the election so yeah the problem that with the current process the governance board should send off the candidates I mean yeah I don't think that it's a big deal so I did make a Google doc with all the current candidates and replied to Olivia and Evelina's account so they both have it um it's just it's this is not one of my my projects so like I said I'm trying to stay hands off but if I need to step in I will step in no that's okay I can continue there um I can I can contact all the nominated people and ask us I can follow with them that's okay yeah and if we if we have a document that we all have access to I I I within a day I should be able to spend enough time on it to sign off so so should we keep uh like aim for the first of November or something to to have at least us going through this and and say I'm I'm I'm for against something like that in the documents I think Oleg is saying there's there's two pieces one we need to make sure that any of the officers that already officers are willing to be on again that should be done early and then one the the entire board should be willing to say Nick's any nomination though I'm not sure we should have the power to Nick's a nomination well person I have no problem if it's just you're given and you're really not proving the candidates okay so well the election process document says that the governor's board approves a bit my question what does it mean yeah I'm perfectly fine if he's just delegating my approval to both of you because I fully trust your judgment um I join I join giving them the shot understand what you mean by I mean approving candidates like um like if you feel that that person does not have enough contribution then you should not take a role that's what you mean something like that so basically it was rather stop a measure if something is going completely wrong so for example if somebody who constantly violates the court of conduct runs for the board so yeah the board would be able to just block this candidate in theory but yeah we have never had a precedent of that so I cannot really say what we should be too concerned yeah I'm not concerned at this stage yeah I mean either I I wouldn't say that you know and I'm a number of contributions or something like that should be a a gate here since I didn't have that much or at least that that's how I feel but I think any of us can feel that I don't know for some reason certain person is not the right fit and I don't feel that about any of the candidates so far but I think it makes sense that we all look so we just don't blindly accept the least and and put it up for nomination so so yeah let's just make sure that the at least some of us review the least and our outcome is to do it well can we put the no or we can't can we put the link to the hey the document Oliver you mentioned was it you or was it Gavin so but yeah let me let me I can give you I'm sorry I just have so many notifications and communication channels I'm yeah I'm reluctant to put it in the document because it's public okay then then the no the Jenkins government meeting documents public I'm not sure we want our candidates to be public before we prove them so no I thought that the least has like limited access to some of us and then the other one is not a problem but otherwise you can you can easily retrieve the documents yeah so let me let me just clarify the document I created if you have the link you can view it so I'm not worried about that uh yeah um so if you can access to that that community link you could that you also have access to it and then uh this document is what I was worried about putting the my google doc link because this document the one that I think market sharing is public so I think the way Olivia did it it works pretty well so only the election committee can see that thread so okay that's okay so yeah regarding limitations one of our mission critical role is security officer so they're basically well I would say that it's rather an expectation that whomever is a candidate for security officer has experience of working in the jenki security team but yeah I don't particularly expect there to be uh candidates from outside anyway but who knows me neither um and there are definitely some officer that are more tricky but yeah we'll review that I don't think we have to spend much more time this year I agree so for me one of the critical things is events officer because the other nominations is great if not yeah I'll probably do some work in the coming days but yeah last year well that's it you're saying marky hasn't done anything in the year that we should mark we could we should nominate marky thanks I like you're the best no I didn't say that uh yeah last year no I'm teasing don't worry about it yeah I can share some insights because yeah I was reaching to several potential uh uh officers because we also had a kind of open problem uh who would be taking this role in the beginning of the election cycle so yeah but yeah the most of candidates either didn't reply or refused so there are a number of candidates for the opposite positions though we can always use more because I think uh the jenki's project as a whole uh very few people are doing a very lot of work and so we always need more people in there yes we've got a few new names in there which is good but you know we need more having few names is definitely good and then let people try um yeah so why not so when we blast the signing up to uh vote we should also blast this as if anyone has any nominations for any people oh ronko this but I just want to close this topic by um to to remind the next dates so the next date is the 31st of October which is the deadline for a nomination and then we wait um one week to get confirmation from the nominate uh from people um so we wait one week and on the 7th of November we start inviting people to vote so the 7th of November will be the the first date where people can vote for the project and the project and the deadline is end of November that's that's all for me okay so anything else on the elections topic I think we got it okay great all right next topic was a jenkin's user mailing this moderation question um I'm not sure if the what the appropriate response here is should I show the display to everyone what the proposed posting is that was that caused me to pause and say it or how would you like to evaluate it I had sent this question to the governance board I think maybe a week ago but I wasn't sure who else to ask or or if there's already a process document that I just failed to read um so you can share it but I think that just is that a private company had a jenkin's offering and you and they were wanting to post it to the mail the user's mail list to say hey you should use their offering right exactly it's a yeah that's a very good way of describing it it is here I'm going to bring it up then since since that sounds okay so here is how it looks uh let's see if I can make it bigger so it's readable so the proposal it's a it appears to be a product from release iq called essentials for Jenkins and offers the ability to create multiple Jenkins controllers and then manage those things and they've got a web page for it here the question I had was do we allow commercial posts like this to the jenkin's user's mailing list or is that that uh no we probably should have them promote some other way I haven't seen anything that would restrict that so from the rules perspective I do not see that they would be valid anything okay whether it's totally appropriate or not well I think it's okay because why not for me I think it's okay as long as they're just anyone you made I mean as long as they don't spam the mailing list on a regular basis maybe we should invite them to the jenkin's online meetup to present why not uh well here so essentials for Jenkins that they do need to be related to the trademark usage requirements I mean the clutch yeah so that was gonna be my thing as long as they meet the actual requirements for trademark um I don't see a problem with it if they offered support I would be in totally in favor of it going to the user's mailing list as is it the description doesn't sound like we're offering a commercial support just a version a bundled version like the the cloud free one so I'm not excited about it but I have no issue with them going to the user's list but I think this doesn't isn't it like how what is the trademark restriction for this is it for Jenkins or something else yeah for Jenkins uh this one's fine yeah it's fine it's within uh um FA use so other requirements we have is that they put credit to Jenkins as trademark the Jenkins is a regular registered trademark of the Linux foundation in the bottom I'm not sure whether it's followed on this page yeah uh no this but that would be a relatively simple thing for us to ask of them saying hey please please attribute because they they did a really good job of choosing the name right it does comply with the Linux foundation guidelines for the for naming yeah so it maybe brings again the question about uh having the list of Jenkins vendors and enterprise support providers yeah because our previous list on wiki is dead and well taken it's previous state I'm happy to see dead because for example even cloud based information there was outdated something like several years outdated yeah so I'm happy to somehow revise this topic but for this particular blog post yeah announcement it's it seems to be fine it's a question whether we would uh repost it in social media for example uh reposting tweets but even for that I don't see a particular problem so so given that this if if this were allowed I want to be sure that that's that I've understood it that would likely mean that for instance cloudbies would be allowed to post something similar to the user list right that they could they could announce things related to their product other companies that are doing products based on Jenkins would be allowed to as well right yeah I think in some degree we're not the best audience to ask this question either because I don't know how many of the people here use the user's mail list you know if a company posted once a month that would be frustrating if they posted once a year it probably wouldn't be a big deal you know so I think there should be I mean I think this should be released because they didn't break any rules and it fits all the trademarks so I don't think it should be blocked in the list and then I think there should be like a poll or something for the actual members of the user's mail list to see how they feel did the company also submit what the blog what the mailing list uh posting would say no no this is this is the this is the posting it's just not been approved yet thank you I see good good question but they submitted it for approval by virtue of them not yet being a an allowed subscriber to the mailing list and because no one's approved it yet it hasn't been posted and so that was my question here today is it sounds like the the consensus here is we should allow this we should post it and it might be healthy to not just grant them full permission but each time they post we approve it again a moderator improves it and we continue with that moderation path to be sure that it's not not being overloaded I'm going to say the opposite I'm going to say we're not going to block it because I don't think the board should be the one blocking or managing the mailing list it's users list should be users controlled rules and just the board isn't blocking it it allows it through and then someone starts a thread it says hey do we want to keep allowing these oh okay that'd be my vote okay so we've got we've got a majority of board members here could I ask for approval it sounds like we're approved to to allow this one in and allow them as a member of the list so they continue posting any objections for many of the board members or let's go for the is it okay to ask for a vote from board members before we do that is if you click on the about does it say any restrictions it's on the left side third from the bottom oh good good question I don't see any yeah okay cool okay so that answered your question it did okay great so I'm good to vote all right so let me capture the votes hang on get the notes up here okay so um general consensus allow uh commercial posts are allowed allowed user list moderated by the users and let's did I not say that I have I don't want to say allowed because that puts board going yes we approve this message that's my only concern oh basically what I would say that it doesn't relate the current rules in place hence it shouldn't be posted yeah but we reserve our right to impose the rules if we feel it's a kind of abuse yeah going forward good if if there is abuse in the future in the future we can consider additional rules yeah is that a fair way to say it yeah okay good and are are we this board the ones that are setting rules for user mailing list does anyone outside of mark have access to the users mail list like the Olivier is one of the owners of it so he certainly does and I believe Alex Earl is one of the moderators none of the board and some of the offices is what you're saying I don't I don't know I don't think it yeah I don't think it's a board operated thing it's a board sponsored thing sure but not a board operated thing yeah so here how I interpret that yeah it's a valid question for the governance meeting there is a topic which is basically in the gray zone yeah so how we would move there we discuss we agree that's it whether it's the responsibility of the Jenkins worth or not it's it doesn't really matter it's a community meeting and how we can discuss it that being said I am very much in favor of offloading any and all support we can do because it is exhausting all the questions we get and how few people that can answer them so I'm in favor of commercial offerings great okay so have I is the phrasing here adequate to be ready to call for a vote I'm happy with that prison okay I'm almost happy about the phrasing I just I just don't want to send the message that we the board are the ones that are gonna make additional rules because it's not we the board it's maybe we Jenkins mailing users is I'm sorry that's kind of we Jenkins community represented as Jenkins governance meeting but yeah if we want a formal decision for example if you wanted to change the rules then it would have had to go through the developer mailing list yeah okay I'm not saying I choose one over another I just understood Mark's question not only to be about this post but in general about this moderation so I would I would just like I don't have opinion about that I don't see a problem with the post when I joined the list I felt like I can post anything and if I misbehave then someone will kick me out and this someone might not be might not be defined at the at this point but yeah I just I just wanted to to understand how how how you guys feel are are we want to do we feel responsible for this list or or not we as an individual might feel responsible we as a board does not I I see that's my vote yeah okay and I was I was a community can consider additional rules would be the phrasing that I would the most happy with okay it's just for me I'm accustomed to thinking of the the the best rule making body we've got actually is the governance board that was why I use board but okay that's and I I would I would just not want to send the message that we're gonna monitor and moderate this board but if the community reaches out to us and complains about something then then then that that's how I would I would see this I kind of can work in reality we're not gonna suddenly start moderating the list right yeah it's setting expectations we don't if board never says we're gonna moderate it then we're not saying no one's gonna expect the board to moderate it you know yeah okay so so testing the phrasing one last time is that phrasing sufficient that you're ready to vote on I'm good good okay let's hear the votes please I'm voting to allow this allow okay so got it all right so Gavin uh and Adelina yeah I would like to allow it as well great thank you that's and any any any naysayers of others who attending Olivier or Marquis do any of you have have negative on that I have none I'm a non-binding plus one yeah so great thank you that that didn't didn't expect to take quite that much time on it but thanks very much for the conversation and for the clarity Gavin Gavin and Adelina especially in terms of getting getting those those things hammered out that's that's those are very good points all right next topic then or I assume nothing else on this topic are we ready for next topic yes okay so executive decision great hacktoberfest project project progress report I'm a little bit I am completely underprepared for the sharing this is few minutes of of conversation the plug-in docs migration project we've gotten almost 25 percent in progress or done that we started with on the list so that's that's a up to 10 out of 40 looking pretty good not as good as I wanted I had hoped to be way beyond 40 by now french localization is getting really good work we've had some excellent docs posts we've got a nice architecture diagram a pair of them thankfully and and we've got more to do there though we need more promotion so remind me I someone sent me a link earlier about how to make architecture diagrams as code which may be useful so we can keep things up to date remind me later and I'll I'll get you the link um but I also wanted to you know give you kudos for getting some new plug-in maintainers which I didn't expect to come out of hacktoberfest but you've been pushing harder than expected so I wanted you know that's really awesome well and new right now I think is maybe one yeah that's still greater than zero right that's still greater than zero and and I've been I confess I've been having fun with the with Darren Pope and I doing these conversations about small modifications so we'll we'll keep that story up and Dheeraj and I will do a tutorial on Jenkins.io for it okay next topic then uh inclusive naming initiative Oleg uh yeah so updates since two weeks ago so yeah the CDF-TFC approved application as the last meeting then we submitted the mailing list application to the inclusive naming initiative we got plus ones from community leaders there and our next step is to submit official membership request through the enrollment LFX tool so it's a new tool they develop for all kinds of organization management in the Linux foundation and there we had hit an issue so basically only Tracy was able to submit the membership request we try to do it together with Tracy and then we hit an issue with my email because the form strongly requires a company email and I do not have one at the moment uh so yeah fixes in progress I created my own domain for now and uh yeah Tracy will submit the request then it will take uh I have no idea how much time but basically everyone is on board so the condensed layer condition will be joined and we will have Jenkins as one of the related projects listed there on the list when you said company email address you just mean a non Gmail like they don't really say company company oh well it filters out all other emails I have to so it's not just Gmail it's Yandex and yeah the non yeah so another option we could probably set up a forward for Jenkins.io well yeah actually I added a top at Google workspace for Jenkins below yeah but even even without a workspace just like uh because we have the mx point in somewhere we can just forward LFX at Jenkins.io to somewhere so but if you got your email address that works too yeah so we can definitely discuss that uh yeah the moment I already applied work around because I happened to own a few domains yeah terrible ones but okay works for these use keys uh yeah so well basically that's it but yeah it should finish soon excellent thank you so then cdftoc updates we have discussed a new roadmap for convenience delivery foundation because it's one of my pet projects listed here this roadmap is in draft it hasn't been officially approved by cdftoc uh it's basically constructed from topics we have on the toc list at the moment and you may want to say that uh there are no topics which are directly linked to Jenkins maybe except the inclusive mailing initiative membership so if you see something that needs to be done on the cdf level and requires to see involvement then please comment there is a issue or discussion for this ticket and different topics so for example one of potential topics is a transfer of amazon accounts to the continuous delivery foundation but to be honest I'm not sure why it needs to be involved in this matter but yeah it's just an example of something where we definitely need the action from the continuous delivery foundation right so yeah and another topic which is related to the Jenkins system so there will be new project joining cdf cd events so it's one line above so basically this is a specification project this is extension for cloud events well to some extent that defines the standard for various uh events submitted by ccd systems and it basically builds around the proposals so for example captain events participates then there is ericsson and the aphid community that also participates plus ibem and many other organizations so yeah and they're working on the first version of the standard and it will press it as a suggestion uh well as a my incubating project cause yeah cloud events like you know you likely need some adjustments if you want it to be aligned with this standard so it's probably a topic for the future when you say cloud events you means like a payload or a body not a actual like conference uh yeah so basically it's specification for the payload but yeah it's still not in a finalized state and yeah there is a lot of discussion and yeah joint events seek because well it will be somewhat related to my next job so yeah i keep up with its comment on this topic but yeah i'm not sure what the cloud events plugin is actually maintained at the moment but i think that we need to proceed with it because it's one of the reference implementations for cd events as it's first seen thanks ready for any questions there or ready for next topic okay google workspace for jankens oh leg uh yeah so basically it's full up to the email domain discussion so we we touched the google workspace or how it was called the area for google traceude so basically we have a number of problems with our materials at the moment so we have a lot of google docs including this governance meeting google doc all of them are scattered across individual and sometimes company accounts of people and basically as a community we have exactly zero control over that so for example if i delete my account currently this janky's governance meeting agenda document will disappear which is definitely not the best i think from the project system ability point of view plus yeah there are other things we could use a j-suit for of course emails also event planning system because instead of relying on currently etc we could use j-suit for that and a lot of other things that could be potentially applied including even gcp billing if we decide to have gcp billing on our own in the janks organization so question to people here do we really want to explore google workspace sponsorship options because without sponsorship it's very expensive it's something like $20 sorry $12 per month per user which is probably reasonable for corporate system but definitely doesn't make sense for janky's community so we can just shake some trees and see whether google would be interested to sponsor that or find other solutions or maybe alternative is looking for solutions within the linux foundation that could provide the same because for example google doc yeah google doc can be mostly replaced by huck and g as a premium service with hubbocant for storage or there could be other services so for example on cloud etc it could be also one of open source services that could be deployed for example within the linux foundation infrastructure so but yeah it's a kind of many alternatives so my question to the people here would you like to explore option with google workspace so my feeling is i'm not totally sold on google workspace but it does work um i personally like having all my email one spot which is something i guess i could do with workspace still i don't know how like i don't know a board would get their own email address i don't know how that works uh but i think i rather i don't know it's i agree something should be done because the current does set up with a mess but i think we have i still think we have too many issues going on to add more to the list yeah that's fair point so yeah google workspace is probably straightforward enough because for example how it would happen if you get a corporate slash community account uh this community google drive and then in a few clicks i move over by jenkins folder to the community google drive and then nice use permissions for maybe a couple of weeks after that but yeah and it'd be nice to have like the press account because i just got an email from press and it'd be nice to not to go to a single person you know and even when we had the uh the wiki issues it the news people were emailing each of us individually and it was very coordinated responses so there's definitely some appeal to this i'm just i don't know it doesn't feel like the right time but if there's never going to be a right time yeah so we still have one potential option so for emails for example we can ask for linux foundation emails or for cd foundation emails because both of them exist and yeah technically we could ask something like jenkins press at linux foundation uh yeah whether it sends a right message or not you search them in i'm not sure uh but yeah technically it's possible i would definitely prefer jenkins i i mean linux foundation could host the mx for jenkins iota is pretty easy as well so yeah so i'm not too concerned about your emails because emails it's a rather it's a great topic for me we can create a domain anywhere for a couple of emails for me your file storage is a bigger problem organization-wise yeah that is definitely a concern of mine yeah well what's good about google it's probably most of us are pretty comfortable with it we didn't used to using it and i mean i know it's not a rocket science but uh i am reaching a point where adding another tool is not exactly something i want to do so if we can have a google account that will not cost us a lot then i think we should give it a go and see what's what's there it would be sweet to have some cool open source tool to use it but to to use instead of google but yeah well huck md has some advantages but huck md is not an open source tool it's a service basically proprietary it just allows streaming data to git or github as a storage so basically you get a dump of all your notes in markdown which is kind of helpful just just for right uh hack md is the commercial offering of an open source product there is an open source version okay yeah sorry for that but yeah so for example i would be open to give it a try for example uh moving to google sort of governance meetings to huck md uh i'm not sure but it would be okay for the entire ecosystem and you're taking the number of where the shit google docs create it might be more convenient to keep doing it like that but there are google slides and other things that cannot be put in huck md easily so yeah i feel like this should i know you don't want me to say it but i think you should be delayed until the new infra officer is elected or a current infra officer because it's going to depend greatly on them um no it's a fair point so i also don't want to do more things on my plate right now i have so huge book walk or things to live on okay so i think the short version is i'm in favor of something as as as evalina said uh i'm google works really well and i have no objections to google but i'm reluctant to commit to anything right now so basically feel free to contribute uh as the risk do not overcome it right okay great but yeah thanks for the feedback so let's just park it here for now and yeah for open source design engagement uh so maybe one thing for your information on monday here i joined the open resource design sustainability webinar so basically today we do discussed a lot about the genkins user experience how we try to unblock designers what works what's not so we talked about the urc newcomer and boarding flows the common documentation and the latest thing we do well there is of course a lot of things to be improved but i already got something back from their community about all what else could you could do because there is a lot of obvious things like but it's a collaboration with the community so maybe i will be bringing up this topic to the uxc could be in coming weeks and yeah i think that this open source design we discussed something like half a year ago like having some open tickets on their job board for genkins community and having maybe some kind of unboarding flow between these communities but yeah all of that's wide open but for your information i will be spending some time on that because i'm interested in that thanks any other topics for today okay let's call an end to this session thank you i've got a i had a hard stop 10 minutes from now so this is our timing is really great thanks everybody we will plan to meet again in two weeks yeah so next meeting we're switching time zones again right oh are we oh dear help me okay that's a good check next meeting time i'm used to meeting times always being in utc but do we need to adjust the start time of our next meeting uli i think yours and evalina's schedules were the ones that were what's what does two weeks from now look like for the two of you yeah i think we uh last week we decided that we changed the time not to utc but to our local time okay all right so our next meeting then will be november three at and so that would be one hour oh yeah okay one hour earlier than current time so it would be it will be at one p.m no no at eight at seven p.m utc rather than the eight p.m utc that it's currently at great okay thank you i'll get the calendar i'll mark adjust the calendar entry thank you the good question the clue it seems it has to be a nine p.m utc then oh i went the wrong direction yeah sorry that's i am no i am certainly not a time lord there is clear problem in me managing time zones yeah it's not only you i just i'll i'll just go to the meeting when it's in my calendar i'm not trying to figure that out it's well and and please i will adjust it immediately after this meeting ends and if you find that i adjusted at the wrong direction please tell me and i'll fix it okay so it's thanks for flexibility okay and it's one but one hour early okay i've got to show you this calendar so this is november third on my calendar and it shows eight p.m utc and one hour earlier i would have moved i would have moved it back one like this that's not what we want though oh like you were saying it needs to go down this way yeah so basically for me the problem that uh yeah part of my schedule so yeah my son is usually asleep by nine thirty but definitely not by nine so it's preferable to stay at 10 p.m to start at 10 p.m local time but yeah understand that for the people in europe it might be super late and for people in our pocket it may be super early so i'm ready to adjust if needed so uly help me understand so was your intent one hour earlier here or one hour later here actually i just don't want to change my local time so my local time is perfectly if we start at 10 p.m okay two weeks 10 p.m is yeah what's what what is your local time in what city are you in i'm in new mulek berlin or whatever okay because i'm using world-time body to figure this out so nine p.m central european time and it will be utc plus one starting from whatever october i linked to the selection so uh this is what i figured out so uh mulek it's it'll be 10 p.m utc will be nine p.m and for me it'll be two p.m okay so that and so i think i got it right then this it needs to be later not earlier excellent all right adjusted adjusted to local to local time got it okay so i think i sent you an invite check your calendar please if it's wrong let me know we will correct it back to whatever it needs to be that's all okay excellent thanks all thanks everybody recording will be posted bye bye thank you bye