 So I was sitting here Minding my own business. It's what I was doing minding my own business and I look up and I see a response video, you know everybody everybody wants to call me a Calvinist and then so I see this one guy Say that what do you say I was I? No, I was Calvinist E smell. I smelled Calvinist E or something like I don't know something like that or whatever But I said, you know, I'm gonna go ahead and try to ignore him, but then he made a video made a video Not so much saying that I was a Calvinist But he wanted to kind of deal with the tennis of Calvinism and that where I Might be wrong now. It's possible It is possible as a matter of fact I said before that being a smart Christian Means you have to recognize what you don't know and you lean even heavier on the scriptures And it makes you kind of go back and look at the scriptures Make sure that what you say is so or what you might what might not be so in your thought It can be corrected. And so you want to be humble about that and I did my best to be humble about it I did my I did my very best to be humble, but I wanted to kind of you know, make maybe he'll go away Maybe maybe he'll leave me alone, but no, he wouldn't leave me alone Would not leave me alone wants to keep messing with me and I said, you know what that's fine You want to mess with me Then then you're gonna live back you walk over what you're limping back Don't don't let the gray hair fool you. I ain't no easy win So I just want to without further ado I want to bring on mr. Seiko Woods who disagrees with two of my tennis Seiko. How are you doing, sir? Doing good. What's going on brother? Wonderful how as we said before how good it is for two bald brothers to dwell together in unity And so we have that I was hoping that when you came in you had your head off I don't tell you take your head off him up in a place. I'm so glad that I only I only did that I only did that because I didn't feel like wearing it now because of what you think about Okay, listen, that's cool, too. That's cool, too. I was gonna mute you mute your mic until you did Now I don't see you on my end. I see you on my device Okay, remember, you know saying I mean I could see you on my phone But I don't see you on on my end of the e-cam But I don't know what what what that is I don't if that might be in and a software issue because it used to be that you could I don't know what the deal is but as I'm looking over here then. Yeah, we're good on both And so whatever I see here is what is what they see here. And so Yep As they so we have to worry about it as they said don't worry about the new going blind just load the wagon So you know that we're by none just sit there and let me have my way with you But in all seriousness in all seriousness guys There are people have been asking am I Calvinist over and over and there are two issues that I Disagree with Calvinism now again I'm not one of these people because I think there are a lot of people out there that think that Calvinist is a heresy Calvinist If you think that Calvinism is heresy then you're just being you're biblically Immature you've got some growing to do because the issue with Calvinism versus those who aren't Calvinist It's not an issue of how we come. I mean how to become safe. That's not the issue It's the mechanism leading up to it in other words who is preeminent is who's causing it is it man's Desire is it man's wanting to choose or does God take the first step now? Let me say this because I want to make sure that I'm kind of clear on this. I Have stated in the past that I believe that mankind Can choose God Now notice what I did not say. I did not say that mankind will choose God I think there's a big difference I think that in history now look at some passage tuning and of course I will give me his that there are passages that demonstrate that mankind can choose just not consistently So I believe that ultimately every let me get this straight guys Everybody that comes to Christ has done so because of a work of God first that pre that Starts off the man's choice God chooses then man chooses But the issue that I take with this issue of total impravity is how to pray the man is and so I just want to put that out I believe that if if it's possible that both can be true to some degree I think I mean to show that and so I want to go ahead and give the floor over to to say go But he's got some points to make in terms of where I'm wrong Of course the way we're gonna do this guys will be going back and forth. This is not a formal debate We're not upset each other. Although Although say goes probably the only person out there in YouTube sphere that I have no problem with hurling insults it and so He's the only one So that I have to deal with this first. Let me let me just deal with this So that's a go and have to deal with this Jesus Christ is Lord 9-1-1 Wicked how and I want you all to be clear I want you to understand something and you say so because simply you just you you don't you say so because either It's a hard issue or head issue with you, but it's not a bill with you meaning that Calvinists believe that you must place your faith in Christ You believe if you're a Christian that you must place your faith in Christ. No difference. The issue is does God Work in them ahead of time and cause them to do so or not both believe that you must Make a profession of faith in Christ. You believe the same thing So how is that wicked? Stop being babes or immature when it comes to this thing now We're not gonna ban you, but if you're gonna go throughout this this live stream saying those things they will ban you Oh, by the way moderators. There's another group of people that you have to ban also Well two groups. I'm sorry. Obviously the Hebrews like ban is always in play. But secondly In our discussion between myself and mr. Woods depending upon who's right and who's wrong if Moderators if you find someone disagreeing with me and agreeing with say go please ban them for good All right, that's so basically in another in the words of Michael Jackson on the ways you can't win Right, you can't you like this like like the Cowboys fans. You can't win. You can't win. Okay? The deck is stacked the deck is stacked the deck is stacked Anyway, go ahead. I'm sorry. Yeah, but so I'm glad you said that I'm glad, you know You laid out all of the you know the housekeeping rules and in a few disclaimers I'm pretty sure they're gonna be people that are gonna watch this stream if not watching it now I've not and if not watch it later That's going to probably believe or think that this is bad blood. There's no bad blood We just have a disagreement on two of the five And and I believe that this is something that is important I believe it is a good thing for us to have this discussion Because it I think it would accomplish two things number one It'll accomplish that people can be people can disagree if we can have a public discussion public dialogue and not Walk away with it being any any hard feelings or any type of animosity number two It also shows us that we desire to hold to what the word of God Teaches them and believes and I believe that that sets a precedent and an example for for us to follow So I know a lot of people have been waiting for this to to go down I've been waiting for it. I was waiting for you to come on out of your hiding hiding spot, sir You gonna live back you walk over what you're limping back. Don't don't let the gray hair through you I know I know you had to get your little furnishing your little you know your little background setup and everything I told I told Corey that you know it looks like he's sweating like he in court He said that's not it. He said it's the lighting. Okay. No problem. It is what it is. It's holy. Oh, it's what it is Yeah, yes, he says the holy ghost holy spirit. Okay, fine, whatever, but look like he looked like he a brother sweating in court They look like he's like he's been in family court So so anyways, so what brings us here we wanted to talk about the doctrines of grace I IE To live IE cavernism and again You mentioned about the two of the five points that we disagree with which is number number one total depravity And then also limited atonement, which would be the the third one out of the five so I want to I Want people to understand what my position is number one I believe that the word of God is the final authority. I do not I do not have my own personal opinion Regarding salvation What I mean by that is is that if the scriptures teach a particular doctrine and I'm not talking about this one verse or one Passage and we just ride on that. No, I believe in the totality of scripture I believe that the word of God speaks when it comes to issues of faith life and practice We can glean from certain principles, but if God says that he has done something Then I hold to that and I hold to its literal grammatical historical context and interpretation And so I believe that man Apart from the saving grace and work in power of God cannot save himself Even on his best day, he cannot even if he wanted to he could not because his nature has been His nature has been tainted with sin. It has been of it through and through with sin It does not mean he's going to do everything That he could do but it does mean that since Adam failed in the Garden Genesis 3 that Adam being our Federal head Romans 5 12 he when he sinned we all sin because we were in we were in Adam and until or unless God invades the human soul and until or unless God makes man alive to respond to divine Stimuli then he would never respond because he is dead If we if we're going to say what man is and if and if we look at the autopsy of man spiritually speaking But he but but God uses in in his word He gives us physical examples on how how man is apart from the saving grace of God. He's dead interest passes in sins He's hostile to the things of God. He's a hater of God He's a slave to sin and foreign to righteousness He cannot do anything good not even when I'm talking about from a salvific standpoint Yes, a sinner can walk a person across the street But that is not going to pass when it comes time to stand before a thrice holy God and give an account for the deeds That they have done in his body that has nothing to do with God Choosing to save him because of any good thing that he may have done humanly speaking It has everything to do with what did he do with his son? and if he rejects if he rejects the free gift of salvation is because his nature has not been changed and If his nature has not been changed then his will has not been changed because the wheel is in concert with what man's nature is and Man's nature is corrupt man's nature is foreign to the things of God and until again or unless God saves that soul man will only do what's in his nature and that is sin Okay, and so now and most of what you said I agree with I don't think that there's a person on the planet that can Attribute their salvation to them to themselves The issue is and maybe it has to do a lot with the word dead when we say dead in our trespasses and sin and so forth because I've got something that I've got a question I'm gonna let you go to a couple of your scriptures, but I've got a question That I've got to ask and I'm yet to get someone to answer this But but I'll hold off on that particular question because you may answer it in your in your scripture Okay So we can go to we can go to Genesis 1 27 We know that the Bible says that God made man in his own image and the image of God he created a male and female He created man in his own image and in his own likeness. So man's man was created perfect There was no sin and in man And it shows us also that even in a perfect environment like like like an Eden Man would never be as perfect as God That that's for me I believe that that is a key component and a reality that we must grapple and and face that even though God created man Perfect without sin and placed him in a perfect environment man Which is Adam chose to rebel man chose to violate God's clear law Which God told Adam regarding the tree of knowledge of good and evil not to eat of the tree when Adam chose to eat of that tree He plunged all of mankind into sin therefore now all man can do is choose to sin Man cannot choose righteousness because man is now in Adam. He's not in Christ until he is saved So what that means for what that means is is now that the nature or the the image rather of Man has been tainted with sin. So in Genesis 1 27, I can't really see it on your screen Because again, I'm looking at the second screen. It's not on my end. So you may have to read it I'm not really sure if you can but But yeah, so you probably need me at the record 127 So God created man in his own image in the image of God. He created him male and female. He created them Yeah, okay, then they go to chapter chapter 5 Verse 1 I'm looking about the device as I read along with you as well on that one as well Okay, I verse 1 Chaffer Just verse 1 and then in verse 3 Genesis 5 verse 1 and then verse 3 This is the book of the generations of Adam in the day when God created man He made him in the likeness of God and then verse 3 when Adam lived 130 years He became the father of a son in his own likeness according to his image and named him Seth so the difference that you see there's a change and Not in the sense that man has stopped being made in the image of God But after sinned when man when man has sinned or Adam has sinned now Those that comes from his progeny are made in his image and his likeness. Yes We still we still have the Imago day, but the Imago day has been tainted with sin And so now sinners beget sinners So we see the first murder that happened in Genesis chapter 4. We see that we can't kill able We see all these sins now come out of out of what Adam did By choosing to rebel in the garden and notably also it wasn't until Adam sinned that sin came When Eve when Eve chose to eat of the fruit nothing nothing happened It was only until when Adam sinned that their eyes were open and they realized that they were naked and then they hit themselves So when we when we talk about the the the gravity of man, we're not talking about that man is is he is Utterly depraved but it means that in the totality of his of his of his being that everything his mind his will his emotions all of that has been affected and Infected by sin. So when we talk when we talk about in Genesis 5, we see that there that the image Has been tainted and now Adam is begatting and Adam is having children in his own image and his own likeness Yes, man, it's still made in the enema go data still made in the image of God But now Adam is be Adam is having his own progeny his own lineage his own descendants now having that sin nature Also in them as well to Genesis chapter 6 verse 5 we can turn there as well and we can read that And I'm looking at my device so you can you can you can put it up on the screen and I'll read it Why don't you pull it up? It's there go ahead you go ahead. Sorry. Okay? Maybe mine is delayed. Let me see Oh, you're talking about looking at your okay, you're looking at the life. Yeah, yeah Yeah, I thought you had your your your software Yeah, I can put up on my on my in here So that way yeah, see what what I what I thought was I thought you actually had a Bible to read off love I don't know you just depend on mine. I thought you had a Bible Now now for the record ladies and gentlemen, let me just stop this lie right here. See that's because the devil is a liar He is He's a liar because behind the scenes ladies and gentlemen the brother asked me he's a man listen listen man Listen, uh You had a scripture brother said that you can give me before we get started I can put it up on my on my accordance. I said, yeah, Cory. I'll go ahead and do that for you Yeah, yeah, man, you know what you know what you go ahead do that for me And I'm going and put it up on here and hopefully I can do it right now Because if you were I know we're running late and uh, but go ahead and give it to me You say how many verses we got in Genesis? I say we got five. I'm gonna pull up a gents Okay, we got one two three four five. I say I say we got two in Jeremiah. Okay. You got two in Jeremiah Okay, that's good. That's good, man. So this that's what happened ladies and gentlemen behind the scenes So you're lying Yeah What I'm saying what the point I'm trying to make is that there is no point to be made That's all it is That's all right. Yeah, that's all right. That's all right. It's your live. I know that that's okay That's okay. You know, we probably saw my cast and that's cool. So I'm gonna cut up mine No, listen, no, if you got your I'm just playing but if you got I got I got it So go ahead and read your and I'll make sure that it that the audience can see it Genesis chapter 6 verse 5 I'm reading from the NAS It says then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart Was only evil continually look look at look at the progression of sin and how God himself says that every intent of the thoughts of Man's heart was only evil. I mean, we can't we can't we can't deny that Jeremiah chapter 17 verse verse 9 Jeremiah 17 9 And we're talking about the subject of the total depravity of man Jeremiah 17 9 and it reads The heart is more deceitful than all else and desperately sick who can understand it isn't say that that the heart of man is It's okay. It has a flaw No, it says more deceitful than all else and desperately wicked or sick who can understand it And of course you reverse 10 it says I the Lord searched the heart I test the mind even to give to each man according to his ways according to the results of his deeds But Jeremiah chapter 13 verse 23. This is interesting Jeremiah 13 23 He says and the Ethiopian changes skin. We thought he was talking about Michael Can he eat the open changes skin or the leopard his spots? The answer is no So God use a rhetorical question then also can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil now? We know that the author is talking about Israel, but we're looking at the principle we're looking at what we can draw from these from these texts and these passages I'm gonna go to Ezekiel chapter 16 Ezekiel 16 and If you want me to stop Cory, you want to chime in and respond to any of them. That's fine. I just wanted to go ahead I'll chime in just a little bit. Okay, cool Ezekiel chapter 16 verse 1 through 12 And the word the Lord came to me saying son of man verse 2 make known to Jerusalem her abominations and say Thus saith the Lord God to Jerusalem your origin and your birth are from the land of the Canaanite Your father was an Amorite and your mother Hittite as for your birth on the day you were you were born Your neighbor court was not cut. No where you wash with water for cleansing You were not rubbed with salt or even wrapped in cloths No, I looked with pity on you to do any of these things for you to have compassion on you Rather you were thrown out into the open field for you were abhorred on the day you were born verse 6 when I passed by you and Saw you squirming in your blood. I said to you while you were in your blood live Yes, I said to you while you were in your blood live. I Made you numerous like the plants of the field then you grew up Became tall and reached the age of fine ornaments your breasts were formed and your hair had grown yet You were naked and bare then I passed by you and saw you and behold you were at the time for love So I spread my skirt over you and covered your nakedness I also swore to you entered into a covenant with you so that you became mine to clasp the Lord Then I bathed you with water washed off your blood from you and anointed you with oil I also clothed you with embroidered cloth and put sandals on a purpose Purple skin on your feet and I wrapped you when fine linen and covered you with silk I adorn you with ornaments and put bracelets on your hands and a necklace around your neck I also put a ring in your nostril ear rings in your ears and a beautiful crown on your head I just wanted to just read that because I'm showing you The condition is stated that that the God shows about Israel and notice He uses he uses the analogy in the picture of a baby being abandoned being being thrown away almost at the verge of death and so God says just like this baby just like this this Infant that was cast aside and left for dead had it not been forgot that baby would have died He said I curved you I said to you why you in your blood live I did this I did was nothing that man did It was all God Ezekiel chapter 37 verse 1 through 10 Ezekiel 37 1 through 10 We all know the value of the dry bones So for the sake of repeating it and for the sake of record, I want to say it read it again verse 1 The hand of the Lord was upon me and he brought me out by the spirit of the Lord and sent me down in the middle Of the valley and and it was full of bones He caused me to pass among them roundabout and behold they were very many on the surface of the valley and low They were very dry And I got very dry and very many Highlighted in my Bible. He said to me verse 3 son of man. Can these bones live? And I answered oh Lord God, you know, I Got that highlighted to Cory. Can these bones live? And Ezekiel says oh Lord God, you know Again, he said to me verse 4 prophesy over these bones and say to them Oh dry bones hear the word of the Lord does say of the Lord God to these bones Behold I will cause breath to enter you that you may come to life I will put sinews on you make flesh grow back on you cover You with skin and put breath in you that you may come alive and you will know that I am the Lord So I prophesied as I was commanded and as I prophesied there was a noise and behold a rattling and the bones came together Bone to his bone and I looked and behold sinews were on them and flesh grew and skin covered them But there was no breath in them then he said to me prophesy to the breath Prophecy son of man and say to the breath thus say of the Lord God come from the forewinds Oh breath and breathe on these slain that they come to life So I prophesied as he commanded me and the breath came into them and they came to life and stood on their feet and exceedingly great army and I read that because again this gives a picture and analogy of man in his condition Until or unless God makes man alive Man cannot do anything. So in the question go ahead. Okay, so so when you say he can't do anything What can he do? until He has been made alive and I want to deal with this issue about being made alive and also being dead But what what prior to and I guess you're saying that well first of all, what do you mean by being made alive? I mean, do you mean by being regenerated? Born again. Yes, absolutely. Okay. So prior to that happening. What could man do? Salvifically nothing so I'm typically nothing So once he once he's born again, he can then do what? And once he's made a Once he's made alive now He's able to respond in saving faith to Christ. So So once he's regenerated then he can he can make the make the declaration of the profession of faith that Christ is Lord Absolutely, and I was no one Go ahead. So in other words, he can he can choose God once This once he's been made alive That's the only way you can choose God is prior to prior to regeneration you could not choose God Absolutely not. Okay. Here's my question then If we were to find anybody in scripture who prior to the spirit regenerating the heart That chose God would with that would that be enough to say that you could choose God Without being regenerated You got a verse for that No, but I will but my question is though if we could find one or two. I Would love to see it. I Will get there but my question is if there is it might be a big if it might be a big if But if there's a passage that shows someone did or could or maybe multiple someone's could choose God before Regeneration would that change maybe not that would not regeneration But would that change maybe the the view I Think we need to define what we mean by regeneration because maybe we have a different understanding what regeneration means because Regeneration means to be born again to be born above That's that's exactly what I believe also now remember and I think I think this is a good time for people to hear Kind of what I believe that mankind is Depraved but not so much the point to where he cannot choose He's depraved to the point to where he will not choose and I think there's a difference meaning that Man can choose as a matter of fact there are passages will look at that man has chosen in the past and made a Positive profession of faith however, the difference is what man could not do is Continually choose man could not have a life have a heart to where he is going to be Choosing or believe forever because you all you would agree with me that when the Bible talks about a person who is a believer a Christian the Bible knows of no such Christian who is not in a state of Continual believing right we agree with that right mm-hmm And so the issue is we've had people in the Bible who believed for a moment But not continually Faith, huh? It's not genuine saving faith. Okay about the soils and so and so that's my point My point is a person could Make a choice to choose God But not continually you're right because Jesus says that that that in describing One of the seeds that it was temporary they could believe temporarily and through and throughout the Old Testament We see people who chose God and even believed God Matter of fact the passage that you read where he's talking about that he has made a covenant with them Well, let me put up on the screen really briefly Exodus 19 7 This is God telling Moses to go to the people give them this this This covenant ask them if they will agree What do they do so Moses chapter 7 chapter 19 verse 7 says the Moses came and called the elders of the people and set Before them all these words wish the Lord had commanded all the people answered together and said All that the Lord has spoken we will do and Moses brought back the words of of the people to the Lord and My point is and there are other passages as well where we see people in the in the Old Testament who did believe now Some believed momentarily some There are some who believe even longer matter of fact believe completely The only problem that we have with those people such as the Isaiah's of the world the Jeremiah's of the world The Abraham's of the world the Moses of the world We don't have a passage that says that they that they themselves were regenerated that their faith was was was the product of them being regenerated now the problem with Israel and Mankind is that he is he's wicked and he he's like a sheep He's going astray from the moment he's born and so we have this little waywardness about ourselves And so God decides that he's going to do something because if someone were to say that these people were Regenerated prior to the Holy Spirit coming what Jesus speaking of in John 3 Then we've got a question because the prophecy is saying what God will do in terms of regenerating heart So he says that he will now we're using the term regeneration But we know it's what he's speaking of in Jeremiah and in Ezekiel that he is going to put his spirit in the heart Wash them with water and put his spirit, which will be also called or Synonymous with being born again or being born of the spirit So he speaks about what he's going to do in Jeremiah and Ezekiel The problem is though in Jeremiah and Ezekiel it hadn't happened yet so the question then is how then did Jeremiah or Ezekiel or any of the Old Testament saints How did they believe prior to regeneration and so that that was my question for you Faith saving faith faith in the promises of God to come now Let me let me ask you this question because you you said you said that is it possible for a person to believe at one time And I believe again, so now that opens up Pandora's box to another question. I'm going to ask you Uh-huh. Do you believe that a person can lose their salvation if they can hold on? Let me let me ask you Because you saying no but but but you would have to by default because if a person says that they believe now But they don't believe anymore Uh-huh Then what does that say about the saving power of God number one number two? What does that say about their profession because if it's all based on a profession? It was all based on a profession that I believe I believe I believe then Jesus said that you didn't choose me I chose you and I showed that you make bear fruit bear fruit more fruit than much fruit So show me a show me an individual who has been truly regenerated by the power and spirit of God and they apostatize There are none. There are none. Okay. So that's my point. So so so Aren't we talking about two different dispensations? No, but no see now because we both dispensationalists now I'm not dispensationalists. I'm yes. You are. See that's my point right there. Yes. Yes. Yes, you are You do not believe that the church in Israel are synonymous. Do you know I do not know I do not That's dispensationalism right there. So you want to call me dispensationalist That's my point he don't want to be called the term but the terms don't mean anything we it just it just elucidates a boy sister. That's it. Here's why here's why because Just like you've got different types of Baptist different types of methods You got different types of folks who hold to a dispensation dispensationalist view and so I'm not in any of those camps truth be told now. Let me just say this A person is saved by the profession of their faith. Absolutely. There's a big issue though A believer Continues the bible knows of no such thing. We won't get into the greek here, but the greek the greek is clear There is no Of and say go agrees with me on this There is no such thing as a person who is a believer For one day and then stops believing and then become and then makes it in heaven There's no such person whether in the old or the new testament Now i'll deal with the old testament a second, but i want to make this part clear In the new testament if a person is their heart regenerated now the holy spirit is in them The bible says that they will be cause and cause to walk in him. Oh, by the way God says that they will never turn away from him and he will never turn away from us And so a believing person Never stops believing if a person believes today and then stops believing tomorrow He never had that saving faith as a matter of fact. He was never regenerate right and so i think that a person A christian will remain a christian will abide a christian the same word by the way a christian will bear fruit A christian will follow continuously a christian will keep believing will never stop believing I believe that's what the bible teaches However, what i'm talking to you about is post regeneration Prior to regeneration we have a problem We got a problem prior to regeneration because what's working in us and how we know salvation Is not what was working in them in other words the holy spirit We can't find a passage where the holy spirit Endwelled man now we've seen the times where the holy spirit came upon A man well we find one with ezekiel we find one with ezekiel Okay, but but but we don't we don't what we don't see is that's not the point i'm making yeah anyone being regenerated So what does god do for salvation for these people who had faith? God has something going on that's unique to the old testament faith That's not here or present in the new testament faith, which is this They had they placed faith But their faith was also accompanied by things they had to do such as adhering to one the day of atonement And in the midst of that because in the day of atonement the interesting thing about that which we'll get to on this issue of limited atonement, but but That you are in you are in right standing with the lord for one year But then let's say in two weeks in two months in four months I I did something horrible. I did something real bad Well, god also made a remedy for that as well He gave us the ability to have these different sin offerings that we would give even and there was no set amount of time Or how often you can do it But there were these sin offerings that were there that we would also bring to the lord because I feel bad Again, the thing is though their faith Uh was it was working in them now If they were if they were regenerated the problem is we don't have a pastors that says they were regenerated If they could not believe we don't have a pastor that says they could not believe And so my only issue is especially with the people who who are you know, solo scriptura I need a scripture that says that they could not believe When clearly we've got passages that said they did Exodus 4 31 exes 14 31 clearly says they believed Their belief though was temporary They did not have this regeneration to where they continually believe Just like today we don't have to observe any other Sacrament or anything like that any continual sacrifices of sin. We have one to rely on that's that's jesus They had the day of atonement Which was made for them individually as well as the the nation of israel collectively But then they had their own individual offerings that they could give as well Now was moses was his heart regenerated Was david's heart regenerated was um Isiah or jeremiah anyone else or any of the old testament saints that we we don't know their name where they were generated Maybe problem is we don't have a scripture to go with that But we do we know but we know that they were the old testament saints So how how how is an how is an old testament? How's the old testament person a person that's under the old testament or under the law how they say by By My faith in the atonement. Okay. So so so they had to believe right? How were they able to do that because in that same in the same in the same in the same in the same book Moses tells them This is what you're supposed to do and they said yes, we will and most of what it most of tell them No, you're not you're not going to do this. You're not going you're not going to follow this You're saying that you will but you won't that's what moses told them But there but then but aren't there people that did believe Those who believe depends on what you're talking about by believe. Are you saying that they believe and they persisted and they kept on believing Well, now you know by by by in other words, I'm saying are you talking about they they believe by mouth memory They profess me with their lips, but their mouths up, but their hearts are far from me Well, so now now you're over in court my territory now now you're my territory You're kind of making my point the court because of a person say that they believe What is the difference between demon faith demons believe matter of fact demons got better theology than most professing christians today The difference between their faith or somebody who believe temporarily in our in our faith is that ours is and is a present active part of ours Is a continual faith, but how do we know that our faith is genuine? How do we know how do how do I know that you're saying cori? How do I know you say ultimately you ultimately you don't know I mean, but how but biblically how biblically the bible says we can know based on what we but based on fruit Based well based on our based on our faith And then we can tell by the week we can look at fruit right right, but but the fruit but the fruit is never absolute because again I agree with that Okay, I agree with that But i'm saying that the scriptures teach that we shall know them in the context of false teachings They're also in the context of of brothers and sisters in christ by their fruit Okay, now it does not mean like you said it's absolute or it's always gonna be uh foolproof But it does mean that I can tell based on observation and a pattern and course of a person's life That this person is a believer If not, then we need to throw in gut First gen 3 4 through 11 out the text. Well, hold on before we get to the new testament Let me let me let me bring a couple passages up. Let me bring a couple uh, uh, old testament passage up Joshua 24 starting verse 15 He says if it is if it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the lord Choose for yourself today whom you will serve Whether the guys with your fathers serve which were beyond the river or the guys of the amorites in whose land you are living But as for me and my house We will serve the lord the people answered and said far be it from us That we should forsake the lord to serve other gods for the lord is our god Is he who brought us and our fathers up out of the land of egypt from the house of bondage And who did these great signs in our sites and preserved us Through all the way in which we went in and among all the peoples through whose midst we passed The lord drove out from uh before us all the peoples even the amorites who lived in the land We also will serve the lord for his god. So they make a they make a proclamation But then i want to pay i want to uh put this passage up But hold on hold on hold on hold on court. Can we go to verse 19 though and josh and josh was 24 Okay What what did josh will tell him? You will not be able to serve the lord for he is a holy god He is a jealous god He will he will not forgive your transgression or your sins if you forsake the lord and serve foreign gods Then he will turn and do you harm and consume you after he has done good to you Okay, then the people said to josh would know but we will serve the lord Joshua said to the people you are witnesses against yourselves That you have chosen for yourselves the lord to serve him and they said we are witnesses Then he warns them. So this this is he's making an appeal. He's making a one just like we tell people and Technically technically but wait a second wait a second. But wait a second. Did he say you can't or you won't What does the text say it says it says they won't Okay, you making my point core. No, you're making mine. The point is i'm not saying i'm listening Salvation is according to the Calvinist doctrine is that man is so deprived that he Cannot i'm saying he won't but he but he he won't be because he's unable to Here's what i think kory see and this is this is i think this is the whole argument When people want to dunk on quote-unquote calvinist or the doctrines of grace Y'all want to and i say y'all just meaning those who don't hold to all five An anomaly me but Y'all want to pull the proverbial cart before the horse. What are we going to do with this dead body kory? We're we're going to do this dead body. We're going to do this This course and that is not that has not been made alive yet It's like y'all want him to do something but we got to deal with this autopsy first How how are we going to deal with this because this this course is starting to stink bro Live that we on he's thinking and so we got to deal with this course We got to deal with this spiritual condition that has not been remedied yet So what do we do with man's spiritual condition first? Is man is man dead or is he a little dead? Is he is he knocked out? Is he comatose or is he as he flat line? Which one? Well, apparently and I'll matter of fact, I'll deal with that right now, but One of the passages that speaks to whether a person can believe and we know they weren't regenerated, but they did believe The people of Nineveh Jonah goes and what did the bible said the bible used the word believe they believed now What sort of belief it doesn't tell us? And so if someone says that a person can't believe or a person won't believe All we can go off of according to the scriptures because what I think what's happening is we're reading more into it than it's there It does not say that they cannot it says they will not but in in Nineveh They did believe now we make the the statement that someone is dead such as in in in Ephesians is Ephesians two Yeah, there was two that they were dead in their trip But does dead mean in a and an inability to respond or does or I would say He was separate why well, okay, so if we are What this go to Ephesians then because because right now I you know what I got bro. I got my mask on because this this this dead body you got right We we gotta we gotta do this dead body bro I'm gonna keep my mask on until we until we give you this dead body this dead body right now is thinking So we gotta deal with the spirits condition of man Okay, we gotta deal with this with this with this with the bible calls What does dead mean is that first of all we know? It's not a little look it up. Look look it up. Let's go. Let's go to the greek and look it up Because he says it clearly. It's it Because we we know the word means necrosis means dead but Let's look at the look at the context because the context determines the interpretation right It says dead in your trespasses and sin not dead in your ability Corey if man if man if man is dead in his trespasses and sins and if god tells or jesus tells who is god Tells us that you did not choose me But i chose you then in john six. He says no man can come to the father Okay, no man can come after no man. So wait a second. Wait a second. Wait a second. Let's back up Let's back up for a second. Let's back up for a second If I say a person is dead, let's do this with this word first dead Dead means that they have no ability Or maybe my or my take is dead means we're separated For example, the prodigal son The bible says jesus says in in this parable that my son was dead Now he's alive the difference right when he was dead separated. He's alive. He's back with me However, how is how was he how was he made alive? Corey by coming back? How was how was he even granted repentance? The son came back on his own On it. Oh, so so so you believe you believe man does have the ability to repent on their own Listen what I just said listen what I just said I said in in regards to this story Let's look at the passages that they talk about someone being dead. We've got the the um, and I've got my little My little nose. I want to make sure that I that I cover my actual my actual nose one. We've got the prodigal son Roman six says that we that we are um that we are Being dead to sin. Does that mean be the lie and be the lie to righteousness The word dead means if dead means in ability To respond that's certainly not what the word dead means in in in uh, roman six couldn't context But the context corey determines the passage. You know, you're saying the context determines that dead means That's not what it says There's nothing does not context determine it actually does it absolutely does So let's go to the text. Oh, which text which one the one that you the one that you cited You want to go to Ephesians two first? You want to go to you want to go to john john We can we can go to uh to Ephesians two And you were dead in your trespasses and sins in which you formally walked according to the course of this world According to the prince of the power of the air of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience So that word dead means inability Are you asking me? Are you are you are you making you making a statement? No, I'm asking you. I'm asking does the word dead here It means unable to respond. It means. Why does it mean that? Well, let's look you want to look at the definition of it The the word dead is a great word for necrosse, which means Let's look at the definition of it definition necrox, right? I'm i'm i'm putting up on mine as well, too I agree with the definition of it. You have different clauses though, corey. You have different clauses, right? Okay Get different clauses figuratively i'm i'm reading from i'm reading from uh from zodiacs figuratively Those dead to christ and his gospel meaning spiritually dead Also metaphorically in opposition to the life of the gospel Example of persons dead to christ and his gospel and thus exposed to punishment spiritually dead Oh, and guess what it has in here's a reference Ephesians chapter two Okay, but you missed the point. You haven't said you haven't asked a question though This clearly is a metaphor, right? Of course it is And opposition to the gospel so here's the point though wait a second wait a second cycle wait a second cycle dead But in that but even even in your discussion, even what you just read It does not say that that person is unable to the person's Then you're giving man more credit than what no, no, you're giving the word dead more credit than it How are you Okay, so are you okay to make sure I understand what you're saying? Are you saying that there are some people who choose to be saved and and some who don't Again, just just just to know I'll say it again. I'll say it again save and those who don't I'll say I'll say it again There are a bunch of people Who have chose or who have placed their faith? Momentarily in Christ, but it was not the same as what the Bible Is Wait a second. Maybe you're missing on the other side of my point. I never said that people who choose Momentarily are saved. That's not what I said. I never called that genuine faith. I never said that I'm talking about saving faith. I'm talking about if a person is born again, they won't fall away Okay, wait a second to be in a state of continual believing that With that requires according to john through recorded jesus that requires a person's heart to be regenerated I agree with that That's not my point again ultimately ultimately everybody that is saved Everybody that is saved Everybody who is saved is saved as a result of the work of the spirit in them That does not mean that a person could not make a professional faith, but it not be genuine They really believe that jesus died for them and they chose to place a temporary faith But then walked away again according to the parable of the sowers. These are people. These are people These are people according to jesus who believed And jesus literally uses the word believe. I'm not disagreeing with you on that cori Now out of the full story, which one was genuine out of the four sorrows. We don't have to argue that We don't have to listen Seiko, this is the point because I think sometimes you guys get into the point where I'm rushing to it I never said that the belief that anybody can have saving faith Apart from a generation. I never said that I never said that I said that anybody can believe but only those with saving faith. That's a part of regeneration I've done multiple videos and discussions on how a person is regenerated. John three Ezekiel Jeremiah and so forth. Hosea all I've covered this at nauseam I'm not saying that saving faith for us especially happens apart from the holy spirit That's not what I've ever I've never said that I said that mankind has the ability to believe Just simply will not especially the kind of belief that we're talking about The belief that's temporal the belief that's momentary the belief that's mental ascension Man can do that How do we know if that same kind of faith that mental ascension that that faith of the person was not saved versus the person truly is safe How do we know the difference? Well, the difference is they're enduring their continual believing The person who has that mental ascent like Jesus talks about they believed or like simon the sorcerer who believed or Nineveh who believed or or the Jews in in in in Ezekiel. I'm sorry in excess believed That kind of faith preceded Heart regeneration of the spirit it did We don't have a pastor saying that somebody was regenerated by the holy spirit prior to john We don't have that or practice across We don't have any old testament saying where it's told now Were they if it is if they were the bible doesn't say so And the bible doesn't say that they could not believe the bible says that their faith was different though It's clear their faith was different Their faith needed the belief in these other offerings and sacrifices Hours is on the one that christ gave I said ultimately It shakes out the same way if a person can believe or is unable to believe It works out the same way because everybody can but nobody will That's where god steps in and then doesn't work in a person's heart So i'm not saying that a person can't give momentary Matter of fact, that's what i'm saying. They can only give momentary fleeting faith Not a continual faith And the bible speaks of two types of faith Especially when it relates to salvation. He speaks of a continual Matter of fact most often in a present active participle Entering to the state one time of continual believing. That's how That's how believers are described But able to believe for the moment mankind has always been able to believe for the moment But then his true colors end up showing up and so because of that What does god do? That's where god says that he is now going to give us his spirit And cause us to walk cause us to remain cause us to bear fruit causes to keep following And so ultimately you and i and whoever else is saved we're saved because of because the fact that our heart was regenerated That part we don't have to discuss we don't have to worry about i agree with that i'm saying Has there ever been a person in the history of the world that believed god Yes Because the bible literally says there are people that believe. Nineveh did Without their hearts being regenerated Now i don't know if any of the nanovites Actually are in heaven now i have no idea I don't know if if if if they believe and then they went back i have no idea So if you're going to say that a person in the bible in in the old testament could not believe and i show people that did believe Then what is the what where's the argument? There is none Right Wrong All right, so so so i'm i'm i'm gonna respond i'm gonna respond to your your point Because there are a lot of implication that you're making Okay, actually at the beginning of our talk Do you believe that a person can can profess salvation believe quote unquote, right and Decide to no longer believe and fall away. They lose their salvation. You said emphatically no Okay, if that being the case i said that opens up pandora's box to a lot of other Implications, which is why a lot of people attack the the one save always saved Camp which is what i belong to in our whole too I believe that once a person has been genuinely saved by the power and grace and spirit of god They will not fall away. They will not apostatize. They will not take the mark of the beast and all that kind of stuff They won't because god has sealed them I do also believe that there are people who profess but don't possess We have that in scripture as well. We have matthew chapter 7 verse 21 to 23 Many would say to me on that day lord lord and we know that we know the text They would not do all these works in your name. I mean you had judas The disciple didn't know that judas was that was that was over the devil He would he casted out devils and did everything else that the other other 11 did but he was of the devil So it's not about what a person says Is about what they show Because that is the determinative factor that we know a person has been born of god Now it is not the foolproof because we don't know the individual's heart god does but Based on your profession and pattern of life. That is how i can that's how i can discern whether a person Is born from above now you have people who claim to be saved But their conduct betrays that claim So if you're telling me that a person Can be regenerated And i want to make sure i'm i'm i'm making your you're making your your claim that you're saying kory Are you saying that a person can be regenerated? Born from above by the power and spirit spirit of god And and and still turn away No I'm asking you a question. I'm way down there I'm listening. I'm asking you a question because it's it's like you making circular making no, okay Reasoning because if you're telling me if we if we both agree that salvation is of god, right? By grace and faith alone I'm telling you that if man is dead and his trespasses and sins and then you want to get in this semantical game and saying Well, what does dead mean and the context makes it clear I got to hear what that means. I said you you and I Ephesians one What does Ephesians one tell us he chose us? Okay, say go but say go that okay. Okay. Okay. All right Everybody didn't do it based on our behavior. He didn't do it based on what you're right. You're right. You're right We don't have the ability To stay consistent. That's our issue. We don't have the ability to believe apart from him kory Okay. Well, if that's the question if that's the case say go How did they believe apart from him in the old testament? We disagree by faith By faith So were the nanobytes were the nanobytes were the hearts of the nanobytes regenerated now all of them kory Just like the all of Israel wasn't saved. No, no, no, no, no, but the ones who believed Were they were the were the nanobytes who did believe what did the tech say they believed And how do and listen? How do we know that they believe kory? Because it says so How do we know because it's in the text it's in the text. Let's go to it. You know that they believed let's go to it Can I make a can we make a comic one statement? There's a system in your chat There's a system you check that I I want to make sure she understands something real quick What's her name? Because riba riba being she says sick or calm down Brothers and sisters ladies and gentlemen, I'm not sure if you're black if you're white But where I'm from I'm from the d I'm from Detroit. We have what we call barbershop style conversations I'm pretty sure that there are some of you when you when when when the superbowl was playing Y'all was amped up about a team who did nothing for you I'm getting amped up about the word of god and about truth with my brother who is a brother in christ There's no beef. We're not angry at each other. We're just men. This is how men talk Okay, so I don't need to calm down No, sir, I feel I'll be honest. I feel threatened by it by your tone. Get over it. Get over it. Get over it I feel listen. I feel listen. I'm about to report you to youtube be honest with you matter of fact, you know, I said You know, I should be it don't I should have worn a bcb season. That's what I should have did I should have but listen But y'all listen, let me say this so it offers like oh take take no offense to to uh to to his excitement or mine as well Uh, we listen. We're both good or whatever. He's passionate. He's wrong Oh, come on. He's wrong. No, I'm I'm kidding. I'm kidding. But listen I believe because I think and maybe maybe maybe I could do a better job of explaining I believe that we are regenerated. He chose us and so we choose him He loves it. He loves us first and so that we love him We have something that's in us because the issue that was wrong with the saints in the old testament Wasn't that I don't think as far as I can tell that they could not believe The issue was they could not stay consistent and they would go to sinning And they would go to foreign guys and what god kept doing was coming back to them And god would even have a remedy god's remedy for the fact that they would not stay Consistent was to give them his spirit. That's why he says I will wash their hearts from the clean water in their hearts and put my spirit in them and then cause them To obey my commandments and Jeremiah says that they will never depart from me and I will never depart from them And so the issue is not I don't think that a man could not believe because again Jonah tells us that Nineveh believed I don't think that now may be The the Ninevites were regenerated problem is We don't have a passage that says The Ninevites were regenerated. I could listen. I'm opening being wrong on that. I need to pass I think I think you mentioned about dismissations, right? Okay, so I don't want us to conflict that I do believe that we can glean from Jonah And see the principles that we can that we can pull from that and and that is repentance Even though even even though even though uh, um, we may not see other other Theological tenets, but we do see this and this is in Genesis. I mean that Genesis Jonah chapter three So I'm looking at Jonah's chapter. Jonah. Jonah chapter three verse I started verse, uh We're gonna do verse one agenda of Jonah. Let's go to verse five because that's the point I just want to get people to context But that's fine verse five Then the people of Nineveh believed in God and they called a fast and put on sackcloth from the greatest To the least of them. Can we deal with that word believed? I'm not disagreeing with you, bro. I'm I'm I'm saying but how do we know that they believe in God? Look at what they did as a result. Mm-hmm They put on they called a fast Put on sackcloth from the greatest to the least of them But would they be the first people have there ever been any jews that believe Called for fast put on sackcloth matches and then left. Sure. That's the history of israel All right Well, don't we hear out don't we hear out when I try to help you then you just go right back and you just you just kick the legs From up under your own chair. I'm trying to show you that I agree that they believed And I do also believe that there were there were genuine believers in the Old Testament in Nineveh questions that I got a question. I got a question, sir Were these Ninevites dead in their trespasses and sin every every man how they how they believe God gave them the gift to believe apart from up. Listen to me. Cory Apart from apart from God So the scripture the Bible the Bible says I ain't saying it the Bible says no, no, no, no I get post christ. I get that I ain't talking about no post christ. I'm talking about pre and post post toast is post christ post christ Listen, can you stop spitting on your microphone? Where's your wife? Where's your wife in come get this man. Okay So look look what the text says verse seven okay, seven What whatever six the then when the word reached the king of Nineveh he rose from his throne late aside His role from him covered himself in sack loft and sat on the ashes He issued a proclamation and And said in Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles do not let man beast Herd or flock taste a thing. Do not let them eat or drink water But but both man and beast must be covered with sack loft and let men call on god earnestly Then each may here it is Repentance even though it ain't said it May turn from his wicked way and from the violence Which is in his hands. Who knows he says God may turn and relent and withdraw his burning anger so that we will not perish when god saw their dees That they turned from their wicked way Then god relented concerning the calamity which he had declared he would bring upon them and he did not do it Corey that's repentance yo My question is my question Okay, granted them repentance. Cory. I know you won't leave it. So so my question is Were these people's heart regenerated where were they dead in their sense? Cory, I just said Cory. I just said to you sir. I'm not I'm not backing down from what I say You gotta back down because if you don't say I'm I just told you yes or no In the under the old covenant under the old covenant their deeds Were wrought with repentance. They heard you see conviction of sin right here in the text You see you see repentance. I agree even though it's not especially stated. I agree with everything we're about to say, right? So even where they did Yes, they were but they were they were not there. They were now they were now saved. Who made them alive God did okay fine who regenerated their hearts were they regenerated God under the oh, what was Abraham regenerated? I don't know. I don't know. That's the point. That's my point. That is my point I don't care about doing all that. I don't care but listen Sharon come get them The question is Were they were the Ninevites regenerated? If so, can I have a passage, please? All right, Cory. Cory. Yeah Do you want to go to commercial break real quick? No, no No, I want to tell me Hold on. Hold on. Did you just did you just say to me did you just say to me that you don't know if Abraham was regenerated? You got a passage Abraham believed God and it was credited unto him as righteousness. Yep. Yep Give me the passage that says before we go to Abraham right here. Cory. Cory. Hold on. No, no No, stay here and join them. Stay here. I'm not going nowhere. I'm I'm still too about the fact that you just said that our father Abraham You don't know if he was if he was born again Listen, all you listen. Listen. Listen you Calvinist people. I'm I'm on I'm on you. I'm on you Calvinist folk I'm on you Calvinist folk. Tell me please. Tell me please because you got listen You cannot get on everybody else about where's the passage solar strip Torah? You can't do that and then not give me a passage that says they were regenerated that they were Or give me a passage that says that the Ninevites were dead in their trespasses and that they were Hold on. Hold on. I'm just speaking give me give me to give me 17 and a half seconds Matter of fact, give me give me 4.3 seconds Give me the passage that says that they were dead in their trespasses and saying Meaning that they were unable to respond. Give me the passage says that they were regenerated in order to do so That's all Are you assuming you're assuming that? Okay, so I'm gonna answer your question. Okay. The word regenerated is not in the old Testament It's not it's not But we find we find principles just like we don't see the word trinity But we would believe and agree that that the that the doctrine is true Would you would you at least concede with that point core? Yes, I would Okay, so thank god you you agree with me on that part. Maybe we can get another point you agree on okay, so if Abraham david the patriarchs They believed god they believe what god said it was credited unto them is righteousness Abraham is the father of the faith We are his children If we believe and have the faith that Abraham had now Just because and and I and I use the term regenerate it As a euphemism, I'm sorry No problem. I rolled I rolled that back They were old testament believers. They were saints Okay, they were saints I'm going to see them in heaven because of the faith that they placed in Yahweh and the messiah Before he even came that was faith. Okay now now I say that because nobody gets saved Apart from saving faith, which is a gift which is a gift So if it's a gift if it's a gift is repentance is a gift. I'm just asking is repentance a gift They got great repentance sure Okay, sure. Okay. Okay. Okay. It's it's it's it's faith a gift. It's faith a gift Our faith is a gift. Yes Is there any other faith that it's not a gift? Well, if we're talking about the word believe whether be the whether be the Hebrew or Greek There's different types of faith. They are saving are saving faith. That's a gift also For us. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So we can't say here's what do we have? But say sorry am I am I wrong in this? This is this is this is how I teach This is how I teach and I think it's healthy. I think it's a healthy way of teaching this. All right I believe that we should say what the scriptures say And what it doesn't say we're open to say I think this We're open to say I think this is what's happening here That's why I said earlier. It's possible that the Ninevites were regenerated. It's possible that god did do something in their hearts. It's possible Problem is though. I just don't have a scripture that tells me so it's possible. I'm wrong about about total depravity I just don't have a scripted, huh? But what about Jonah? What about Jonah three? I mean, you you don't want to mention Jonah So you're saying that these Ninevites weren't weren't weren't say they weren't delivered Oh, no, no, no, that's what I'm saying. I'm we agree. They believed We agree. Wait, wait, wait, wait. So why are we talking about why but you you because you're missing a point The point is not that they believe we're talking about what caused their belief God did what you mean? Wait a second. Wait a second. Wait a second. Are we saying are we saying that the the Ninevites Were regenerated that the Lord put his Holy Spirit in the hearts of the Ninevites And caused them to believe I'm not saying he didn't what I am saying is I don't have a scripture to tell me he did Oh, so we can't we can't we can't deduce from from what well, what we can deduce I think it might be easier to deduce is that God didn't do that yet because God prophesied that he will do that To Israel And to the world he will do that in the future Why would he say what he's going to do in the future if he's already doing it? And we don't have any examples of him saving people prior to I didn't say that. I didn't I didn't say we don't have examples. We don't have examples Berserker Do we have a scriptural example of someone being regenerated prior to faith in the Old Testament? We're talking about a different dispensation now with us. That's my point. That's that's why I that's why I said I don't know why we were going to this dispensation part on this issue here because it's really going to be a moot point Because we're going to be kind of like making semantics arguments because I would I believe this I believe this that the Old Testaments were Old Testament saints were saved by faith Okay, they were saved by faith because God did that. Okay. Let me say this Let me say this so we we want to go ahead and move on to the next one because it's clear. It's clear um The Lord got to work with you on this one. It's it's it's clear Oh, okay. So you know what what what I want to do is this what I want to do I think folks understand you. I want to make sure folks understand me guys Especially those who have never heard me say this before I do not believe I believe what Jesus says in John 3 You must be born of the spirit I believe that I believe Not that man is unable to choose christ Man is able but just simply unwilling unwilling some folks say core. It's the same thing that means your accountants No, no, it's not. I'm sitting arguing with accountants Um, but that my point is that we can we just don't And so because of that, what does God do? God knows I'm not going to choose him God knows I'm not going to continue to God knows I'm be like that one guy. Yeah, I know Jesus. That's for real It was on a friday down to railroad depot not that kind of faith The kind of faith that keeps us safe that keeps us believing that kind of faith whereby the spirit works in our heart I believe John 3 is correct that that regeneration does proceed faith As far as we're concerned I also believe that there are people who could just not continually. I think there's a big difference now So, so can I can I interject sir? I I wish you wouldn't go ahead. Well, well you've been interjecting me, but like a needle. Um You keep saying that that man could and I go back to the corpse Because you you seem to have it you seem to have an an animus to this word dead I don't I believe what the bible said you said I believe you We're to believe and say what the word says God says you and I were dead and trespassed passage and sins He said we did not choose him. He chose us Show me a person Who God chooses that decides now they don't want to be chosen. I agree with that. That's that's that's that's not the condition of the argument That is not the intention. I agree with that Okay, but if i'm reading Ephesians 1 And after one comes Ephesians 2 And Ephesians 2 tells me what I was And what God did How can you or anyone else go back and say well, wait a minute I have the ability in myself to choose God To choose to be saved bro. That's that that that's not that's not biblical. What that is That's uh, that's semi-polagianism again I mean it is corg again when you say dead We have to figure out what you mean by dead I don't think dead means in ability So so then you begin you're giving man you're giving man the ability to do something for himself in a salvific sense More than what god's word says. He's no i'm i'm using i'm using god's word and i'm not i'm not i'm not Implay i'm not placing something that god did not say specifically so again. I say I cannot I cannot on my own Um, believe god. I don't mean believe in a superficial fashion. I don't mean believe temporarily anybody can believe temporarily Simon the sorcerer believed temporarily Anybody can believe straight was his faith at that moment. Let me ask this question Was this was his belief in that moment that he quote unquote believe was that genuine? Was that was that an orphan? Was that from above? Who simon simon didn't say you said he believed his exact same word different 10 Okay, so okay, no problem. So Do you believe that a person? Can be genuinely saved from above And yet turn away. I said no, why did he go back to that? Because because because that because we had we had talked about simon then because if that's the case then simon's belief was not genuine belief Simon's belief was okay in the parable of the sword did somebody In the parable that Jesus describes did somebody believe temporarily Yeah, three of them that you had three of them that believed on the surface, but only one only one. What does believe mean? It means what it says to put one's trust in something Okay, so this person so this person trusted for the moment Yes, but soon as as soon as as soon as the world came Temptation would have you came what did he do he left? So we're not so so the the just a word saved I mean the word believe Anybody can believe the different person that believes right now for the moment Versus the person who believes continually is just that word continually Which which brings the point the continual part what causes the continual part is the holy spirit A person must be born of the spirit in order to have that continual part I agree with you. That was so corny. So corny. I'm back to the question that you that you've seen these stumbling over If a person if a person Places their faith in trust if we go listen we deal with the parable of the soils again, right? four of them Three of them were not genuine same greek words same greek words but only one Same greek word that was in the first three soils That fourth one also believed but what did that fourth one what that fourth one do what were the results of the fourth one? He made he remained he remained so so he remained The first three they claim to have faith But the works what were the works? Okay? Okay? Hold on hold on hold on because the issue is this the issue is this I'm kind of catching some of the chats I think everybody has just assumed that two things without giving an actual scripture to back it up This this my my my biggest issue with the solar scripture crowd You might be right. You may absolutely be writing what you believe But if you can't give me a scripture, then don't get mad at me because I don't take what you say If that's the case I might as well be a charismatic I might as well believe because if the scriptures do not tell me that the old testament saints were regenerated Stop saying they were generated. Stop saying that the god that the god put i'm being down being like Yeah, I need to calm down. Stop saying that the lord put his spirit in their heart when he said they're he's going to Prior to prior to to Jonah prior to uh exodus prior to all those of the old testament saints The lord had not determined that at that moment that he's going to put his heart in people and cause them to continually walk That hadn't happened He prophesied he's a prophecy through zeke through Jeremiah tools and so forth that he's going to do that So if you're going to tell me i'm seeing some of the calvary people saying this if you're going to tell me That's what he did. Then dawg on is mr. Mrs. Soul scripture out there give me the scripture stop telling me to believe because calvin is believed that I do not believe it apart from the scriptures. That's all i'm saying Show me where a person believed in the old testament and it was because they were regenerated You can't find that stop titting and this goes to you as well If you're going to say a person is dead And dead means in unable well, then all then then does it always mean mean unable because i get court I gave you i gave you the definition No, no, no, you gave me your interpretation No, no, no, no, sir. No, sir. You know that one. You're gonna do that one I gave you the definition I gave you the definition in the context of how dead was used in the scripture So are we dead the same way to sin? I mean if dead means if dead means unable If that's what you're saying unable unable And unable to do what court ain't unable don't don't need to unable out there unable to do what? salvifically But what no no no no no because now you're adding to the word Corey i'm giving you i'm giving you a fees is one in Ephesians two Ephesians tells me that we work that the state that we were in as a result of our disobedience means that we're dead And I take the word I take the word dead to mean separated just like just like the prodigal son Was he was the prodigal son dead? We have we we have We know that there are different kinds of death, right? We have physical death. We have spiritual death. We have eternal death, right? Do it. Yeah, somebody asked me what was my definition of death my definition of death is being separated And that's it Well, there's obviously there's a literal sense We we clearly are three senses that I gave you do you do you agree with the three senses that the physical the spiritual and the eternal And said again, do you do you agree with us the physical death? Spiritual death and eternal death I do not and I I believe that the spiritual and the eternal are kind of like together Yeah, yeah, but the but the eternal is where a person goes to hell like a fire, right? Yes Okay So so if the case if the case that I'm making with you is if if if Ephesians one tells us what God did For us And Ephesians two tells us how we were before God saved us the state that we were in Okay, not not not the ability Not the ability all right Cory. Listen. It's so can we go to Ephesians two then we did I'm sorry. We can go back to if you want. Please. Let's go back and do again But now you're gonna give me the definition that that that that's not there though. You're gonna tell me what that means I'm not giving you anything. But what the scripture says you says that we were dead in our trust passes I'm saying the more except the dead means I'm gonna take Hold on Cory Cory Cory could not dead and separated depending on the context mean the same thing depending on context Yeah, we're separated. Yeah, we were dead. Okay. So okay. So hold on. Okay. Let me ask this question. Next question I'm I'm I'm gonna follow your logic. I'm gonna follow your logic. Mm-hmm We were separated from God, right? Mm-hmm. Who did that? We did our sin did that Oh, our sin did that our sin did that Adam's in that that so Okay, okay. Okay. So, okay. No problem. No problem. So, so we're separated, right? We're separated, right? We would you would you would you like the word estranged? How about that? You like the word estranged? If you want to use that word Good. Okay. Good. Okay. So so how do we become like peaches and herb and come reunited? How do we cover united then how how does man Become unseparated from God. Who does that? That's obviously God. That's obviously So so that's that's God. That's God to to to unseparate us to reunite us What okay, say say I'm just asking so so so you like the word separate, but you don't like the word dead psycho psycho psycho I said our Physically speaking us We were dead God made us alive. Now. I believe being made alive is um Is what happens when we make this faith and I do believe that every single person who's been regenerated We'll make this professional faith. I believe that I believe that's what it means to be to be made alive as a matter of fact john five Huh continue John like john matter of fact, let me put this on the screen too john Let me copy this and paste it. I won't put it on the screen as well I should have brought my hand to see You should brought something you should have brought something I knew I should went to specs. I knew I should right listen and you were unwilling To come to me so that you may have life So I believe that when we come to him, which will happen, which will happen if we are regenerated And so when we come to him, we will be made alive that all is a gift I do not and I and so I naturally take the the reverse that dead is being separated Which also we see being spoken of with the prodigal son who he says my son. It was dead now He's alive. He was separated now. He's with me. I do agree with that portion of it I do agree with that Are you with me? So that's how I take dead and alive to be now That's what happens as a result of the spirit the holy spirit will regenerate us and cause us to make this professional faith And we will be we've come alive We're not talking about the new testament saints We're talking about the people in the old testament who did not have at least according to scripture That we can find we don't have anyone being regenerated by the spirit. Is there a such passage? In the and I would love to see some mind in chess Is there a such passage in the old testament that tells me That we were or anyone not we but they were regenerated Is there a such passage in the old testament where anyone who believed they believed as a result of being regenerated first? We don't have that. That's that's my only issue You might be right. You might but you cannot go to speaking Thank you. Thank you. All right. Can can you tell me why we stuck on the old when we're not even old testament saints were new testament I'm just asking Why we're stuck on the old because I gave my definition of why I or my statement why I don't believe in total depravity The Calvinist view is that mankind is unable. I believe that mankind Is unable to continuously that we can At least fleeting for the moment make a profession of faith, but it won't last there's nothing in us to make it last Is that profession? Is that profession genuine? I won't even get it. I don't know Listen, all I can say is those say all ever say because the reason I've had these conversations because you made a video about me The video was the video was Trash and Calvinist and it was a misrepresentation and Well, no, no, well kind of you kind of did you kind of you kind of was dunking on it And then you had what do you mean? And then you had uh, and then you had uh, uh, the neophyte the seven month old Um, just making statements that he didn't know what he was talking about and I really wanted them I really wanted them but but um my question though is if you if you if you're if you're if you keep positing that people can believe um For a time my question is again that you don't want to answer Is that person's belief or faith genuine? from above That it came from god above because if you say yes, then we have a problem, houston We have a problem now with the eternal security of the body. Can't can't imagine now we're saying that the man ability to we're going to have to go to the to the other section We're going to go to the other section, but yeah, because I I told I told y'all and I guess why why is brother nail mark saying that? I'm pregnant That's okay because there was somebody else that was saying if kory goes to the greek is over. I'm not bro I'm not afraid of no greek I'm don't I'm not Bro, if you if you're a master mechanic and I got the tools you may you may fix the car quicker than I do But I'm not gonna be messing up. No, he's not he's not afraid of greek. I but but I'll say this So, I don't know. I mean, I think that was kairos that said that bro. I'm not afraid My my only issue is that uh, and it may very well be that man is unable to respond I don't have a defense because let me say this guys This has nothing to do with with this that we're talking about this has everything to do with everything That we're talking about in terms of the bible I think it's a good example to find a scripture And to hold to that let that scripture be what guides for me. I don't have that's just for me I don't have the guide to tell I don't have the scripture. This is for me that tells me That the people who believed in the old testament Um were unable I have the I have a guy that tells me that that it seemed like they were able not continuously And I don't see that they were regenerated by the spirit. I might be wrong That's why and and I guess my question is I guess it's my question number. I guess my point to you is is that um We have david in song 51 mm-hmm In a song 51 he he prays After he messed up with bash even committed adultery, you know, and and he asked for god to not take his spirit from him Now, we know that we we both agree We both agree that the spirit of god did not end well with the exception and with the exception of ezekiel With the exception of ezekiel, um, it would I even if you don't want to use regenerated That's fine, but nonetheless it was he was he was dwelt by the spirit temporarily at that time in that in that context um, but david says to the lord Restore unto me the joy thy salvation and do not Let your spirit depart from me so even though We would we would we would say and I would agree that we don't find quote-unquote uh old testament, uh, uh saints regenerated like new testament believers But that does not make them unbelievable because we we're still dealing with a different a different economy uh of of faith Which is really the overarching theme of both old and new testament faith You cannot be saved apart from faith in in the messiah You cannot be saved apart from faith and what the messiah did now If that is the case that we know faith is a gift So i'm not for me. I'm not even trying to argue about Who was regenerated in the old testament my argument my contention to my umbrage with you is is that you are giving man More power and more ability to do something that the scripture says that he cannot do No, what i'm saying with man is doing is that man the the problem that god has with man The problem that he has with man is man's desire to want to sin And what is hold held him back? What is the issue is man's desire to please himself? That's been the issue and so what makes him righteous can turn around he can lose that Righteous standing under the old covenant Anyone that disagrees that we are in different dispensation. They're not reading the bible under the old covenant You can be righteous today and then later on not be in a right standing with god The issue that brings that about is an issue of sin And so what and so god's remedy is in Ezekiel 36 He says what he's going to do says it in jeremiah 29 Says in hosea as well that he is going to give us his spirit And cause us to walk in his command Now that being stated i believe and all i can go off of guys honestly Is really how the atonement under the old is set up brought about in the in the new Especially the new testament how we see it's done and so My whole point is again I believe and just for those who disagree who are not not sure what i believe I believe that if a person's regenerated he'll place his faith in christ place his faith in christ He will never ever ever walk away I believe for us That the only way that we can believe in being in a state of continual believing Is by the holy spirit so now that that somebody said what is Someone says a matter of fact this i think this kind of proves my point too. He says quarry What is circumcision of the heart is that by the spirit? Yes, was it necessary to make you uh true israelite now? But notice when he says he says in deuteronomy 30 that he would that he will circumcise their heart Their heart wasn't circumcised That was the issue he says that he will Circumcise their heart and he tells us when he's going to do so and that happened as a result of the cross But now that being That being the case. I want to go ahead and Move over to the to the other issue this issue of yeah, this corpse is still stinking though, but let me tell me Yeah, listen, I prayed and hope that I can get you fixed up right but apparently can't All right, you you you're gonna take the L on this one, but continue Hold on. No Listen Are you saying that regeneration? precedes faith? Yes According to john Regeneration pre-sees our faith Absolutely, and the faith that he's talking about is a Continual believing faith. I that's what I'm saving faith saving faith. That's what a zika. So that's what jesus is talking about So yes, yes Now, yeah, like like like sharing say it guys whether you're on this channel or uh saco was channel Please like the video don't like saco. I like sharing don't like saco, but Like like like the video Anyway, that's the issue that that was brought up was this issue of limited atonement I believe uh, and let's let's let's let's do this quicker than we did the other one. Yeah I believe that the atonement Propitiation was made for everyone But not beneficial For everyone only beneficial for those who are believing What say you mr. Woods? I believe that the atonement was particular It was specific because god said it was um I believe that when christ died he died for a certain group of people from all tribes tongues people and nations um, this is uh This is where I believe the work of christ um speaks volumes to what Christ did on that cross on on that cross um, Matthew chapter one verse 21 said that i should call his name jesus for it is he who would save his people from their sins Now the the issue is is who is his people? Because he makes it clear who his people are Even when his even when his family came to him and said, uh, you know lord, uh Your your your you mean your mom and your your brother He said who's my mother who's my brother and he pointed to his disciples and anyone else who who obeys and who follows Uh, the father is my is my brother and sister and mother and things like that right so now um When christ when christ died on the cross i believe that he died for his elect He did not die for the world and how do i know that he did not die for the world because when he prayed to the father and in john chapter 17 He said in verse nine i believe I am not asking for i'm not praying for the world i'm praying for those in whom you have sent me So if he died for the world The logical the logical conclusion implication is then then would he not be praying for everyone in the world? Yeah, but i but john 17 nine He's not even speaking about all christians. He's speaking specifically in john 79 But later in but later in john 17. He does speak about all christians Okay, let's put them strength. Let's see if let's say if i'm right or if you're right I am right and you're wrong Okay, which is which is not what is not not breaking news It's not breaking news for the words which you gave me. I have given to them I believe the them is is specifically the uh the disciples and of course and and they received them and truly understood that I came forth from you and they believe that you sent me i asked on their behalf um I do not ask on behalf of the world but of those whom you have given me For they are yours and all things that are mine are yours and yours are mine And I have been glorified in them. I am no longer in the world And yet they themselves are in the world and I come to you holy father keep them in your name The name which you which you have given me that they May be one eat as we are one while I was with them I was keeping them in your name Which you have given me and I guarded them and not one of them perished But the son of perdition so that the scripture will be filled. So I think clearly he's speaking of Verse nine Of his of okay, I'll continue right you go to verse 20 right there I read it to you says I do not ask on behalf of those of these alone But for those also who believe in me through their word. So Oh No, no, no, but but you're talking about verse nine though. You brought up verse nine as ever He's not he's not praying for the world. He's praying for his elect He's praying for his disciples But he says I'm not asking verse 20 for these alone But for those also who believe in me through their word. Okay, and so talking about the world He's talking about the elect and so and so even there who he died for who who he will save Who he he will save only the believing ones That part of but that is that that is not negate the fact that he also paid For everyone else if they say That means and that means hell has a vacancy sign, right? No, that doesn't no no because Believe because If I pay if I pay your debt Cory Nobody can make you repay what I've already paid What that's double jeopardy if I pay your debt if I pay your big say say say you owe your mortgage companies You know and I go to your mortgage company and say you know what I'm here to pay Mr. Miners mortgage in full They can't come to you because I got the receipt I got the receipt. I got I got I got the deed and I'm giving it now to you and they can't come back to you and say Hey, you owe us this money. Well, wait a minute. That's not but but but mr. Wood said he paid for this No, no, no, no, no, I'm gonna take your house from you. I'm gonna take your house I'm a garnish. I'm gonna do no when christ paid for my sins I don't repay them again in hell because I don't believe no anyone that christ died for They don't go to hell That's universalism, bro Any any the death that christ died he died for his I'm not I'm not saying that I'm not speaking of universalism. Okay. Let me let me put this up real quick I want to I want to cover some passages. I want I want to cover some passages Absolutely. Go right ahead sir. You tell me what what they said now. I know I know your take on first john tutu I know you take on first john tutu. Let's put on the second argument. Why don't you go ahead and explain it? first john tutu says And he himself is the propitiation which the word elas my switch means a payment of our sins And now it and it does not it does not connote reception It can but it does not necessarily connote reception But uh, he is the payment the propitiation of our sins and not for ours only But also for the whole world now. Here's the funny part It'd be it'd be very difficult to say that he that the hours that he's speaking of are christians And then the world also Is christians as well. So not for christians only but for christians That that makes absolutely no grammatical or syntactical sense whatsoever. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on That sounded nice. That sounded nice. Well, just just say what the text says. Who is john talking to right? He's talking to christians. He's talking to believers. He's talking to who? To believers. He says my little children So when he says when he says ours, who's the hours he's referring to He's the propitiation for our sins. He's he's writing to his to his believers He's writing to a specific people, right? Yeah, the christians. Okay. So he's talking to christian His his little ones that he calls, you know and john, right? Okay. So so he's writing to them letting them know that christ is the propitiation the satisfaction for Our sins their sins our sins And not ours only but also for those or for the whole world. Are you saying are you saying that the Death of christ is for every single person Yes, i'm saying that the payment was made For everybody to if they want to accept nobody Did you say want to accept listen what i'm about to tell you nobody can ever Ever go before the lord and say i didn't have a shot um There was nothing for me when clearly jesus, john is not saying i'm paying i made payment for christians And then also says not only ours only but also hours Tell me how you you don't even speak like that. No one speaks that way the context the context basically clear The country right? He's talking. He's talking to his his his his followers But he's not just referring to just his followers because he's saying that christ didn't just die for you He died for all kinds of people in the world It's not every single person that christ died for because korey if that's the case then no one would go to hell Another question is if you say if you say in the whole world that this that he he made it possible I guess what you're saying. He made he made salvation possible man, it's your question Was that his intent? Oh, yeah, he made salvation possible for everybody But not but not but not but not specific not effectively. No Really possible He stretched his hands out all day long to a disobedient nation Not because he was just joking not because i'm not my hands are really no they are stressed out But you will not believe we know he said he literally says not for hours only Who are the children all of the christians not the He's not speaking of all the different types of christian all christians The black ones the white ones the jewish ones the the gentile ones all christians Technia move all of them. I'm writing this to you That you do not sin Not to one specific christian but to all christians That part. Okay, so hold on. No problem. He says and if anyone sins if any of you If any of you Yes, any of you sins. Mm-hmm. We have an advocate with the father That applies to everybody who's a believer, right? So so far so far all of this black belongs to every believer So far we're so far the first verse one. We're discussing this includes every christian, right? Would you agree? Absolutely. Okay. Absolutely. Jesus christ is the righteous and he himself is the propitiation of our sins So far it seems like he's still talking about all the christians all inclusive Then he says and not for hours only But for the whole world That's a heck of a contrast. He so but for he's the word that's but but for it um and also us um helas mas aston perry Concerning the sins of ours u perry I'm sorry, but the others. I mean not not ours only alone he uses them up but a la chi perry but concerning the whole hallu to cosmo, which is the entirety of the world So i'm glad you said that then let's just let's just go there then if you if you so you're saying the whole world, right? Like like like outcast the whole and the whole world at the whole world, right? Everybody He made a payment he made a payment for the whole Everybody everybody's sin was paid for no listen. He made payment available. Here's it. Here's the Wait, hold on. What does it say available? What does it say? That's that's literally what the word propitiation is remember? It was made available. Wait. Wait. This is an old testament concept. This is an old covenant concept Propitiation was made for let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question When when the sacrifice was made under the old covenant Under the law When the blood was shed who was it shed for all of israel Or just certain ones that were believing So it was those believe that's what applied for no no no no no the atonement the atonement was shed for who? Under the old covenant all of israel or all or all or just those who were believing Oh for israel it wasn't for the malachites. It wasn't it wasn't for the more bites It now what is my point? So it's No, because you didn't get it because couldn't a malachite Couldn't a malachite could have hit type could have sold jernar also Take up this cut take a place back Because the blood was made as per see people get this issue with perpetuation doesn't mean that it was effectively taken Or tender i mean i mean accepted i'm making payment now your faith In this payment that i'm making is what's going to cause you to be saved. All right. Who was the atonement for Was it for the entire world? It was so where was the malachites? Anyone that was among them Stop is that Did the malachites Appropriate that the the the the sedonians appropriate that could they have a particular was it for a particular people That the atonement was okay. Okay Even with that. Let's go back to egypt. Let's go back to egypt. Let's go back to egypt. Mm-hmm blood on the doorpost Who was that applied to Was that applied to the egyptians for no Why not? Because i was in a blood shortage their blood shortage A question again question again Because you because you missed my point you missed my point seiko you missed my point my point is Was all of israel atoned for on the day of atonement Was every single israel israelite atoned for Those who who went for who had this sense of tone for not every single israelite No, not every single one, but was it available for them? Yeah, but you're not we're not talking about that. See you're going back. See you you're going to the old covenant I'm dealing with the new covenant and how and how salvation is appropriated. Christ did not die for everybody because he made it clear Said he did hold on. He said he didn't know he didn't because it's over Pharisees. He said you're not my sheep He told the Pharisees. You're not my sheep. Okay. I agree with that Hold on. So so how is it that the Pharisees are not his sheep, but he died for the whole world? Okay, let's let's let's let's make it clear. Let's make let's let's make it real clear Let's let's let's pull up mr. Paul second Corinthians chapter five verse 14 For the love of christ compels us having concluded this that one died That's jesus for all the word pontoon now somebody's going to want to say that that's not everybody But let's see he died for all therefore All died now who died just the christians No, he's not going back and forth between two definitions of all in this passage He says he died for all everybody pontoon Okay, so everybody so so that means so that means in first gen five Hold on. Wait a second. Let me finish make my point You say if all means all because if all means all according to your kind of people if all means all and that's all all means Then what do we do? No, wait a second. Let me finish Let me finish. Let me listen. Listen. Let me finish my point ballhead man My point is All does not always mean all all each every Now here's the question though Does he switch between the different uses of all in the span of a few words here? Look what he said. Let's put it back on the screen. He says christ died concluded that that he died the one died for all Now if we're going to say that he died for all if you're saying that he only died for a select few Therefore a select few died No all died He and he died for all so that they who the ones who might live I mean who live might no longer live for themselves So he's saying how it how it effectively works for the ones who believe in him But he died for the whole world So if you die for so so if you die if you die for the whole world, Cory If you die for the whole world, no one goes to hell No, no only though. No, no sin has been paid for Cory. The sin has been paid for that's what i'm asking you If a if christ died for his sheep, he's matter of fact, he says i give my life for the sheep He didn't say i give my life for the world. He says i give my life for the sheep just like just like under the old covenant by the way The old covenant Atonement is the exact picture we have for the jews in the new covenant and the gentiles for salvation day It's the atonement paul even uses that word for the the atonement so now What we have is the exact same picture Only difference is we have a better high priest We have a better escape goat and we have a better sacrificial offering now if that's the case When the when the blood was shed in the camp of the israelites when it was shed on the day of atonement It was made available And you won't find it you won't you you might find because there's folks that are cool You have to but for the most part jewish god will tell you that that blood was shed for all of israel however If if one of these jews there did not want to flip themselves Did not place faith in what was done Then perpetuation was made, but it did not benefit him We got the exact same thing payment was made A payment was made for those who would then believe if you believe in the payment that was made Whether you believe or not does not vitiate the fact that payment was made payment was made. You just simply didn't place faith in it Nothing that we can do can take away the fact that the debt was paid the debt that god required was paid You not placing your faith in it doesn't mean the debt wasn't paid you placing your faith in Acknowledges the debt was paid and beneficial for you and now you are saved and so now Those who are his are saved because they believe it If I don't believe does not nullify the fact that the debt was paid because I don't believe Does not nullify that the fact that he died for all Does not know if he died if he died if he died for all cori If you died for all, why does he not pray and intercede for all? You are if you're going back to to uh, john 17 9 Listen, I'm going to what jesus said About his about his disciples. He and not just about his disciple. We just read what he said in john 17 20 It ain't just just just his disciples. He says for also to for those who believe through their word and Hebrews chapter 7 verse 25 Hebrews chapter 7 verse 25 said he forever intercedes for those not for the world For his elect. Mm-hmm. So how does he die for everybody in their mama? But he don't intercede and pray for everybody in their mama make that make sense because he can let's say I made I made this of a let's let's just let's just say if what I'm saying is true if what I'm saying is true What he did he made available for everybody? Now I see over here. I got all the folks that actually end up believing these are the folks that believe And I'm speaking to them personally. I died for you. I love you. I'm here to save you Now these other folks over here. They don't think they need me Now I made it available for them, but they don't think they need me But I did listen. I made payment the debt that the father required If you were to simply place your faith in me Then it's then then it's done You don't have to do anything now the fact that they don't believe Does not nullify the fact that I didn't pay the debt for them They just didn't place faith in the debt that was paid The same thing with the very famous pastor we go to john 3 16 Jesus says this Jesus says he he gives an example of as moses lifted up the serpent in the wood I mean the willow even so the son of man must be lifted up that whoever that the believing ones whoever the believing ones are Will in him have eternal life. So the fact that he was now the serpent was lifted up For all to see If you looked upon it and believed you would be saved If you didn't look upon it and believe you wouldn't But was the serpent lifted up for all to believe? Sure. That's why he goes to verse 16 This is how he loved the world. This is the same way. He shows his love for the world So he used the example of the serpent Uh that moses fashion lifted up And so he says so that whoever believes will have eternal life This is the same way so in this way and i'm saying the same way because that's literally what it means In this way Where's verse 16 that in the green? He says who toast guard which is so in this way? This is how this is the way the guy shows his love for us That he gave his son that the believing ones the ones that are believing in him. They will never perish So he didn't say that he didn't do it so that that that those who aren't believing aren't saved I mean those who aren't believing know the fact that he didn't pay the debt Are you with me? And so matter of fact You didn't answer my question Cory. What's your question? Did you hear it? Okay if christ death made it possible For everyone to believe he made it available for everyone. Why doesn't he pray? For everyone in the world. Why doesn't he intercede? For everyone if he died for everyone Why doesn't he intercede for everyone? Why does he why doesn't he call the world his sheep? Why are there's a because they're not only only the sheep are those that are following him So wait a minute. So he says then his sheep does not know Cory Cory, he said I give my life for the sheep. He didn't say I give my life for the world I give my life for the sheep. He said he says to he says Because say go But wait, but wait, Cory if he says I give my life for the sheep When the sheep and world becomes anonymous Well, because again now we're talking about two into context in john ten We're not here. We are here. We are if I give my life. That's it. That's the atome in john ten In john ten. He is making a comparison Between those that follow him and those that don't he's saying the ones that follow him are his sheep Those that don't you're not my sheep. He's right. He never says Huh? He says I give my life and I give my life for them if you're following me that But hold on hold on but but you know what he didn't say He didn't say that he didn't also turn around and say that I did not give my life for you as well because he said it elsewhere Also, Cory, he said it clearly who he gave his life for and actually the church He said the church Is his bride and it was for his blood that he gave his life for his sheep the church acts chapter 20 Hit the church the called out ones the ecclesia It's not the world is those who are called out from the world He didn't die for every single person in the world because if he did then that's if that's the case Then the bible says in first john 5 19 that the whole world lies in the lap of the evil one So are we under the auspices? Empower of the evil one satan because he says the whole world There's like the same the same whole world that's in first john 22 is the same whole world that's in first john 5 19 He says you and I all of god little children and the whole world Lies in the power of the wicked one. So are we are we in the power and auspices of the wicked one? No, we're not psycho obviously There's a there's a clear difference between those who are believing in and those who are not there's not a passage That says he did not listen because I died for you Doesn't necessarily unify the fact that I or you can't say that because I say I died for you That means I did not die for him. You can't you don't have a pastor says that when I I just gave you two psycho you did not know what you did was what you did was you said, okay Let me put them. Let me put them on calvinus Like you were first john 2 you did the same thing first john 2 you do a second carinthin You did the same thing and I you did a baiting switch. That's all you did It wasn't a baiting switch psycho what it was was what it was was psycho I took off the the the calvinus glasses and didn't I don't know why you're calling it calvinus glasses because you're the one because calvinus Because calvinus are the one that will say that he only gave perpetuation for them If if he says if he says in isaac 53 All we are like sheet have gone astray. Mm-hmm Turning his own way And he has called iniquity of us all to fall upon him Right. Mm-hmm. He also says in isaac 53. He says many It's not every single person Where it has real so I can put it on screen Good eyes a 53 And I'm not sure I mean robert roger sermons and this is the coming from the guy who believes in soul ties Yeah, I do what you I'm not sure what the point is with that. Okay. Go ahead 53. Oh six. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah Um, so my point was is that which passes read that again Isaac 53 verse 11 uh in 12 11 12. Okay. Yeah I'm pounding up on my end too. Hold on. Let's see I was reading that little smart remark that was in your chat As a result of the anguish of his soul He would see it and be satisfied by the knowledge of the righteous when my servant will justify the many As he will bear their iniquities. I agree with that I I agree with that and I agree that that that he will only justify He won't justify all That doesn't mean that that justification not available for all Justify all but he died for all Two different things say go two different things you could say go dying for you doesn't mean that it's beneficial for you Dying for you saying that that christ died for everybody But not everybody is going to receive the benefit of it if they believe if they simply believe they were So if they so if they believe Which you believe they have the power to do apart from from christ Well, again, what he if you believe if you believe like Jesus says did I not say that if he says in if you believe You will see the glory now the issue is will you believe? Well, we obviously know that everybody won't believe But he but let's say go if I say if I say that um He made payment propitiation payment for That doesn't mean that I can try to pay my doesn't mean that I'm now um Know if I from trying to make the payment myself That means that I'm not everybody but you but you're you're you're including so you believe the atonement was unlimited right Yes, I don't I don't believe yeah I don't believe in limited atonement. I believe in unlimited atonement. So because you believe the word all means all I believe all means all Without okay. Thank you. So okay. So then if you mean if in the past is it that he was yeah Okay, so if all means all Then you you believe that The that the whole world lies in the power of the wicked one We are in this world when we go from one verse to the next verse Then obviously the words can kind of change in meaning but in second Corinthians chapter five verse 14 Because sometimes all this is the beauty of greed the different nuances all can mean all each or every or each kind Sometimes all sometimes all actually means Everybody exactly and how do and how do we know that it means that depending on what the context, right? So let's look at the context for the love of christ compels us having concluded this that one died for all Now the question is is that all everybody in the world or just a few The problem is if you're going to say that this word all means just those who are ultimately going to believe Then therefore just a few died But that's not what he's saying. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on because we already said that all does not always mean Every single person it can means it can mean some of all types all kinds It can mean so are we saying in one verse in one verse all has two different So all That's not what I said. I'm saying the context you're saying you're believing in universal atonement. No, I know Yeah, I do No, I thought you're gonna say universalism because you because you snuck that in earlier I'm about to get him to come down there. That's kind of that's kind of that's kind of almost implication a little bit too Because no, it's not psycho. No Because I made it available That means you please please say that you're saying that christ died for the whole world I'm saying that there's no one whose death that he paid for goes to hell That's what I'm saying. I said there's no one's death that christ paid for Goes to hell. He paid. Okay. He paid that we don't that we don't spend eternity in hell And then you telling me well, you still have to believe. Okay. Well, wait a minute I know that I have to believe and he gives me the power to believe if if his if his atoning work Was was made on my behalf and I know that if my faith and trust has been placed in him Okay, tell me if you tell me about a person like uh hitler or or whoever that's not safe Just say whoever is not safe that christ died for them Then why would they go to hell because they in place of faith and trust in christ, but wait a minute But if he paid for it already If the debt has been paid Then they can't they can't go to hell Okay, well then then psycho then then then you and every other Calvinist you and and i'm looking at baptist Uh, sit down. Y'all quit talking about that faith saves us because it's not perpetuation saves us Stop saying you must say It's all incompetent bro. It's all incompetent. No, no, no, no if you say that faith faith in what saves us Faith in what christ did on my behalf. Okay. So what christ did he did whether I believe it or not? I'm sorry Faith whatever christ did he did Whether I believe it or not. That's my point. That's why I Okay, when you say whether I believe it or not when you say whether I believe it or not Meaning if I don't believe it that that nullifies what he did on the cross for me. No, no, no Listen, I think what's happening to him. Let me ask him. Let me tell you what's happening. Let me tell you what's happening first of all first of all Uh, I think you just you you're not catching this because I think this is me I think that maybe you want this Calvinist doctrine all the way through to be true I don't I don't I don't know why you're calling this this Calvinist doctrine. Like if you say you You just say you're not dunking on it, but you you continue to dunk on it. Okay, fine Dunking cow is fine. My point my point is is this if christ died for his elect And he says my he didn't die. I'm sorry It does it mean if I don't believe does it mean that it didn't die? No, it doesn't mean that it means he's still That has nothing to do with anything I'm saying what christ did he said he said my sheep hear my voice I know them and they follow me and I give them eternal life john tan, right? And they should never perish So he's talking about what he did and what individuals when they place their faith in trust in him They will never perish. So if that's the case You're telling me that well he he died for all of us every single person and If every single person he died for i'm saying to you based on what scripture has christ died for someone And yet they still pay for their sins in hell You're missing me. You're missing me. I'm gonna say that again christ paid the debt the debt okay guys everybody the debt that god requires Yes, the debt best that that he required to satisfy him was blood Not just any old blood, but his blood right christ made that payment That whoever the guy is that wants to believe in him the one that's believing in him will not perish Because I don't believe in him Does not mean that he did not pay the debt that's required by from god to satisfy the debt that I owe The debt that I owe was was paid. I just don't play place faith in it I don't do the the easiest thing on the planet Which is the place faith in who paid the debt he paid the debt the debt's been paid I take this is just like what he says that he died. He paid a debt. He perpetrated the entire world Then my faith in that it's the faith that saved me the blood end of itself The blood end of itself does not save me Faith in the blood saves me So the blood was made available for anyone who simply has the faith I believe going back to the beginning though anyone on the planet Can place their faith in this blood? Nobody will today unless their heart has been regenerated So that's my whole take I believe that if if if you stand saved today you stand saved because christ paid a debt And then your heart was regenerated To believe in that the debt was paid prior to you even existing But then now that you exist and you place your faith in it you place your faith in what in the blood The blood Is not going to evaporate not going to go away is not as though it hadn't happened because you don't believe The fact that you believe you believe on what the blood did the blood was given for anybody The problem is and when we get to heaven or those who go to hell they can't say he didn't die for me Yes, he did he died for you simply didn't have faith and you had every opportunity to well What about this person? Well, what happened was god saw that not not all eight billion people on the planet are not going to believe All the six or seven billion previously are not going to believe on their own You might seek after him for a minute because the word says that there are none that seek But it's the present active participle the same as as those that believe me. There's no one that's continually seeking Enter into a state of continual seeking. There's none to do that There are those that might seek for a moment But then that continually seeking and so because god knows that Nobody will be justified in saying but what about me lord? No, they won't be able to because I did everything that possibly could for you And then you still reject me. So now what am I going to do to show how loving I am? I am going to Place my spirit and regenerate some hearts of those who ever I will who don't know he hadn't asked us for For our approval on who gets regenerated I do know this and I agree with you with with at least two or three of the other tenements of tenants of Of uh, tulip, but the limited atonement No one because that's really not even how how how the jewish old covenant even works and he didn't All he did was bring about a new way of it. He made available everyone in israel Though they may not have placed their faith in it and oh by the way any sojourner Any foreigner who also wants to place their faith in the old covenant during that time? They also could have been had their had their sense of tone for and being right standing When I'm not somebody we could have had I'm talking about who was it for well Well, he made it he made it primarily for israel, but it was available. Oh by the way No, no matter fact, you just okay. You just proved John. He made it primarily for israel, right? Not only for israel alone, but guess what the whole world if the whole world later on of course later on of course later Yes, no, no, no even in because because question salvation was for the jews. Did he not say that Did was it was the only jews I got saved in the old Cory you just heard I just said no, I said jesus said salvation was for the jews Of course, he brought in the scope of his of his of his redemption plan to win What when did he brought in brought in scope for him? What do you mean? What do you mean? What did he when you say when okay salvation was for the jews first Yes, other people either you believe that just that sideways for the jews first It was for the jews first, but but guess what it wasn't for the jews solely. How do I know that? Okay, so you missed my point take it to you. I'm saying to you I'm saying to you that he had a particular plan for his people. It was for israel first the jews, right Then gentiles, okay, so it's not it was not for every single jew romans nine Because not all not not every single jew and israel because will you believe with that that when when paul says Therefore all israel will be saved or do you believe that every single israelite is going to be saved? No, because he because he literally goes on tells which israelites gonna be saved. Hey, that's my point That's my point. So all don't always mean all but sometimes all does mean all doesn't say go When when does all mean all but now when it comes to salvation Now when it comes to now becomes his atoning work Now, okay, but but does it refer to all does all refer to all everybody when it comes to all of us are in sin all of us have died Does all mean all then Romance we teaches that of course. Okay. And so and so does second rinthians fine. That's what he's talking about That's what he's talking. He's not talking about everybody's gonna be saved. All right So so say so say go so say go the point is this under the old covenant Yes, and again because with us differently in different situations We'll we'll agree with that and so under the old covenant law If Propitiation was made primarily for israel If there were a sojourner If there were a foreigner Who also who also wanted to Place faith in the propitiation made Also be have theirs. They would be in right sense. They would be atoned for but that's for that was for those who believe Corey not for every single person. Corey Christ did not die for everyone. How do I know that? That's what I'm My point though World and and the whole world means every single person Say go Because he said the whole world What what cory and that's why I say the first john 519. He said the whole world too So which one Which one cory he says the whole world of first john 2 2 he says the whole world of first john 519 same thing So whole world on me so whole world mean every single person there But it means every single person first john 2 2 stop now Okay, all means sometimes all sometimes it doesn't sometimes Come on, cory. It's the same john that said in first john 2 2 That he is not just a propitiation for our sins, but for the whole world. He says in first john 519 Am I getting a signal I think it's buffering. Hold on. Yeah, hold on one second. Okay. All right Yes, buffering is i'm looking at on my end too. Um It says youtube is not receiving enough video to remain to maintain smooth streaming See, I don't know why it does that dawg I don't know why it's doing that. It's definitely buffering Yeah, it's you it's youtube man. All right guys. Sorry about that. Got We got a few people here now. Um And what's crazy is I was I was kicking safe goes tail Man, so you think you better leave them drugs alone, dude. Yeah, let's I was It's not ain't no joke. I heard I was over here destroying psycho and then just it just Ain't no joke You and you and a demon slayers mess it up. Oh my gosh So I guess I guess what we want to leave leave off at before we cut out of again, I mean What we'll do is let's we just we just kind of um Summarize Yeah, um my point is this And here's here's I think the interesting thing about it the the main part is It is possible to look at the scriptures and come to a different conclusion now. My take is this Is that if I look at it If I for let me give you an example. Let me first for instance to make it clear If I think that babies definitely go to heaven Um, I want a passage now Unfortunately, I wish there were more passages other than maybe what we look at with with david's child And that doesn't say it conclusively, but I just I believe That that god does so that when babies die, they go to heaven. I had a child that died So I believe that I have two I have two more passages that that would that would support that but continue Well, they're they're not definitive that that's the only point. We don't we just don't have We don't have some of the things that we want to have answers to We don't have the definitiveness that we would like to have the things that kind of be all the end We we know that jesus christ died on the cross for us that we do know Why because the clit the strip strips that the script buffering again are clear, huh? You're buffering again. It's buffering again No, no right now. It's saying that I've got excellent connection So right now we're good. I don't know what that was though. I really don't know what that what happened there, but because When I look at the scriptures before I get to the cross And I don't think things change Or or should have to change too much But before I get to the cross I see people Come to god then leave god come leave get in sin get punished God brings them back. They repeat this vicious cycle not just in the book of judges But all throughout the history of israel. This is what I keep seeing. This is what I continue to see and Then he says his remedy for that is going to be to put his spirit in us And cause us to walk and that we will never depart from him and he'll never depart from us Um, if I'm if I'm a Jew thinking this I'm thinking a couple things one. I'm thinking that Um, I could believe my my forefathers did believe but their belief was different I also Believe that as I'm looking at the passages that what he did on On the day of atonement was made Was made available For all especially all of israel though all of israel did not benefit from it And so I understand that there are those that believe that yes that this This perpetuation is only for the world But as I look at it I see the perpetuation for not just for those that are believing But also for those who don't believe and then my take is shame on them for not believing in what god made perpetuation for That that's just how I look at it And so I would I would say that uh, that christ's death and his atonement was for a A particular people I believe that because he said that his purpose for coming was for To save his people and we know that his people were not just jews But later Initially it was but later but for all all kinds of people jew and gentile We see that in the in the in the in the uh, the gospel accounts. We see that in acts We see that through the the other epistles of the of the new testament Um, I do believe also that yes words matter. I believe context is key I do believe that the scriptures when we when we understand and when we teach What christ did that he had a particular purpose and he had a particular plan And that is to save his people uh from their sins and he says not all israel Is israel so if not all israel are israel And he and he says that to even people that were ethically Those that they that he had called from other nations But just because a person is a jew he said doesn't mean anything if you haven't placed your faith in trust in the messiah so Where where I hold to what I stand on is what is what is the bible teach? I believe the bible teaches that christ died For the sins of those who who believe it does not mean that that his that his death Could not Atone for every single person But I believe that his atonement was limited. I believe his atonement was for a particular People and it was for the people that he has chose to say because he said that my sheep hear my voice I know that they follow me He said that all of the father gives me will come to me and I give them eternal life and so That that I believe is clear. Um, I know that there are going to be differences with it But I think also that that is why people We have these discussions and it could be spirited. It could be it could be feisty and things like that I I think for me this is good I think it's a good discussion we need to have because again Like I said in the beginning it shows us that we can have these types of debates or dialogues and things like that and still walk away Supporting each other and even going to bat for each other when it comes to fighting against the real enemy of the gospel And that is those who teach a different gospel I like so and now I want to be clear Because somebody don't say Cory you don't believe this you don't believe that I believe that you So just so before we leave so people aren't thinking man, Cory Because some people I think what happens is sometimes people Miss the nuances or the point of the argument or the discussion If you follow the channel if any you all follow the channel, you know that I believe Uh in A regenerated heart that leads to salvation Cover that before you also know That I believe that once a person is saved Person has professed their faith in Christ and they are a true christian One that the bible describes as a christian a sheep that person does not stop believing that person is always a christian I do believe that if you are saved a day that you will never lose that you would never lose that position I do now the issue of the irresistible grace. I'll I'll I'll go along with that That obviously it depends on what somebody means by that And so, um, I think that By the way, by the way, let me just say this also. Uh, this is why I also believe I I'm with paul I don't believe that we should add these and I heard what you said about it And I I just I do disagree with that that I don't think that we should call ourselves I'm of this because the scripture literally says don't do that I understand that you can say that I believe in this in this way because it's just good to kind of Help give a person understanding of you know, what you believe or how you believe or whatever But I still see and I've seen this over and over again I've seen over over again that when a person says that I'm this what they end up doing is defending that For the most part why because it's just natural and human beings that whatever I've sided with Um, it's going to be that much harder for you to diss for for you to convince me that that is wrong And what ends up happening is and somebody can say well, not me But maybe not you not you specifically but people in general when we side when we take a side that this is who I am This is what I am We tend to fight that we tend to engage in christians do it also Engage in this christian tribalism where I'm a I'm a I'm a bloodbought baptist. I'm a I'm a I'm a Episcopalian. I'm presbyterian through through. I'm a I'm a 1689 baptist. I'm a a london. I'm a london confessional baptist I am a Westminster confessional faith Calvary's I'm whatever I am an Armenian through and through I'm dispensational What it and I defend those things and what ends up happening. I defend those things More than christ and I say this what you're doing But I but I've seen this happen over and over and over It's what paul says when one of you says I am of paul One of you says I am of sithis or one of you says I am of apollos We are then according to paul behaving like mere men and he and I'm sorry. He doesn't give us really the out to say Use these terms to describe Who you're with because he just says don't do that because we see what I don't I don't see What does he say don't do that? I think I think it depends on the motivation and depends on the on the individual The reason why I say this because you have in a new test made people being called disciples of john So I think the issue is the issue is well because They're just following john But that's my point but But even with that you're saying you're a disciple of john or saying you're saying you're a follower or a learner of john I mean a learner of john so a person saying and and and the reason why I when I when I talk about quote unquote Calvinism, right? I talk about it in the context or in the um In the realm of a of a theological discussion. I don't walk around Uh saying I'm a cabinet. I'm a cabinet But but when I hear when I hear what what I believe is biblical doctrine being being dunked on being misrepresented or being attacked Yeah, I'm because that's like no difference somebody saying. Okay. Y'all trinitarians. Okay. Well, we know That the word itself is not in is not in description But we see the concept clearly taught The in from the old and new testament So I'm going I'm going to always stand and and and defend that which I believe is biblical without walking around caping for a man Uh, just because of who because because of who uh, they are so I believe I believe that's a difference with that I don't I don't I don't want to put on or charge people with something that the scriptures don't now In first witness three he does try and he does rebuke the Corinthian church because of what they were doing They were glorying and boasting and who they were following instead of following christ So that is definitely a sin and that's why I said it depends on the it depends on the individual It depends on the motivation and it depends on what they are or what they are boasting and glorying in There are people who can be more, uh, mature about these things But for the most part even as bloodbought christians even even those who have the holy spirit in us Uh, we are still prone to do what what the flesh likes If I say I'm not a calvinist Every calvinist that sees that video is going to have an issue before they even watch the video If I say I am a calvinist every person that's not a calvinist against calvinist Is going to have an issue with the video before this is what we do not everybody not here But some do and so that's why I'll never say even if I did believe in all five tenants I don't but if I did believe in all five elements of the of the tulip I would never say that I am because paul paul literally says don't do that What does he say don't do that? Well, let's he says Now I exhort your brother by the name of our lord Jesus christ that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you But that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment For I have been informed concerning you my brethren by cloy's people that there are quarrels among you now I mean this that each one of you it He gives a detail one of you are saying I am of calvinism. I am of armenianism. I am of dispensationalism I am of whatever has christ because the same thing if we just take the the paul the palace of seafus And place in the different doctrinal camps that we that we ascribe ourselves to it's the same thing Has christ been divided? It doesn't say that that that any of these people are wrong that paul's wrong or paul's wrong seafus wrong Certainly christ is not but the point is this though that is we pigeonhole ourselves and place ourselves in this camp That's why you have these folks that are so Anti-calvinist I think you have these folks that are so pro-calvinist or who might be anti armenian by the way people keep asking me I'm I'm not armenian guys. I am not armenian. I'm not armenian Okay, but people who'll who'll fight to the nail for someone who has the audacity To disagree. Let me just say this. Let me say this. There's not one perfect school doctor Not one. I don't care if you have five or ten point calvinist I don't care if you're an armenian provisions. This would say there is not one group that has their doctrine All the way right. I believe that I believe that and I've seen that and certainly there's no one doctor in those groups who Where their actions and behaviors are perfect? And so this is why paul says that because what ends up happening is you've got people who place their faith in christ Who are as we say show enough saved who might be armenian who might be dispensational In there in there in the in the way of reading and so forth who might be calvinistic who might be provisions Whatever on the same team fighting meanwhile the main enemies are getting by because we're fighting over these things not If we believe in christ, but how does that all work? Let's lift the hood and see how this works And so that's what we're talking about Because a lot of folks are still wondering what do I like I've stated what I've stated before if I had never stated Here's what's funny. Here's what's funny. So I think I think everyone had to agree with this If you heard me teaching the over one majority of folks in the chat We're like, yeah, I agree with that. But then if I said I'm not a calvinist. Huh, you're not or I'm a calvinist Huh, you are If it wasn't for the fact that I threw the label out there Then we would even be having this discussion the fact that somebody said hey core you're calvinist I said no, well then other folks bought in this That's the only reason and that's why paul says don't do it because what ends up happening We start dividing ourselves up We we'll get a guy who says the calvinism is is unbiblical We'll get another guy that come over here and says that that if you're not a calvinist Uh, then you'll know your bible right? We start doing that to each other Meanwhile, we'll let somebody pass who is casting out demons out of babies who are out of two month old babies, which is happening Meanwhile, uh, we'll let people just forsake what's clearly taught in scripture because we're over here fighting about well Let's see. I think you have to regenerate on your All be now and and that's what it's not important. All it's up is important It absolutely is important But not to the detriment of the body That's it. I agree. And so that's my No, this guy that does anybody believe i'm an armenian Is any i'm not an armenian I'm not an armenian. What what do armenians believe? I do not believe you can lose your salvation my friend I believe that the holy spirit in dwelling in you you are sealed Until the day of redemption that it's a sealed place upon you And that it is an autobahn the greek word. It's a down payment until you reach heaven That's not armenian. Matter of fact, that's anti armenian so I want to say this so and I guess we can kind of wrap it up. That's up to you But so we talk about christians, right? We wouldn't we wouldn't uh have a problem being called a christian Well, that's are we are we are we called are we told to be called christians? Well, it's all Yeah, no, wait. Well, he says peter says don't don't be ashamed or shame on someone called for being a christian Christian is not because that's what that was it. That's just simply being who we're following Now It's different to say i'm a christ But it goes back to my point about john Yeah, disciples that were followers of john all what i'm saying is it I believe it depends I I do not I do not believe in any of us walking around boasting in no man I just I don't but I do believe when we when we read the scriptures We have examples that show us and teach us that hey You have people that were called christians first in antiach right acts 11 i think 11 20 26 i think it was um, but then you also uh, like you said with peter in first be the 416 If anyone says that a christian is not to be ashamed, right? So so but you don't but you don't see in scripture saying For now on call each other christians No, you're caught. They were called followers of the way. That's the way they were called And there is a difference if I say that I am of christ versus I am of anything else I understand that but I but i'm saying you had you still have people who were disciples Of of men and they weren't they weren't castigated in bass It only became a problem like paul said when they were causing that's the issue causing divisions It wasn't the issue of them of who they were following It was who they were following and them them making themselves better than somebody else because they weren't following them We find out it as an example where jesus's disciples say wait a minute These people these people casting I think but but they're not they're not following us and jesus said wait man Hold up bruh if they're not against us they're for us You know saying so I think that that's where we have to be careful You know with that that that's that's just my point. I'm not I'm not telling people That it's a sin to do that I believe you need to check your heart check your heart and check your motivations On why you are saying or boasting in or i'm a i'm a i'm a i'm a you know Blood bar Baptist I mean it's it's the motivation and the attitude I believe on what comes up in those types of discussions We should be yeah I'm a christian i'm a bible-believing christian whatever i mean if that's your preference that's your preference But if I say hey man, listen I hold to the doctrines of grace. Oh man, you wanted them cabinets. Okay, bro. I mean it is maybe we can have a conversation I mean if they want to call you that that's that's fine But I would say this I would not go around with with with the banner of it Um now someone says oh you at your cabinets, whatever, you know that that's on him You can't you can't make another person Um be mature but as for us we should do it because I for the sake of the body would rather not have The divisions that we have as many that we do have because again I think the main point the most important thing Is that we preach that christ had shed his blood And that if you place your faith in that you will will will be Say and the love of christ compels us to do so and I think if we if we focus on that most Importantly right because the world that we live in is a world that that I'm excuse me obviously is going to hell the world that we live in if we if we did our job more so We'd have a lot less hell than we have now on this on this planet because we just don't the harvest is plentiful But the laborers are few pray therefore that he sends laborers Well, we're praying that someone else goes and do the job When we ought to be doing if we said we love somebody If we say we've got so much holy spirit in us if we say it shouldn't be people who are radically charismatic Aren't or are less ashamed or or are more bold than we who actually have the majority of the truth That shouldn't be the case at all I believe that the that that the spirit of the lord saves and saves completely To the uttermost and I think we ought to be preaching that and so I think it's good to have the don't get me wrong I love having these discussions. I love going through it I wish that more folks would actually just track with me As we go through this and folks like, you know what? I think I see your point. I agree with you I'm I'm up. I'm up the opinion Because I've seen it happen that when we go through through the scriptures Especially then the bible says we'll adopt certain principles We won't do this. We won't do that. We won't do this and everybody like I agree. I agree. I agree and then When we get to the different points that you might want to agree with or disagree with You're going to hold yourself accountable to what we said. For example, when we have the bible studies We say that you cannot If we're in exodus, you can't go to Malachi, you can't go to john. You can't go to Philippians to prove your point Why I want you to divorce yourself of any preconceived notions of any doctrine of whatever it is You think you believe let's stay with the text and say what it says So if I say on what when was satan cast down to the earth? If you give me a date If you say before Then I'm gonna say you're wrong. If I was grading papers. I'd give you I Mark that wrong. Why because the bible doesn't say now if you say I think Then okay fine. I'll let you make it But if you say this is when he this wouldn't satan was cast down down to earth You're gonna you're gonna miss that question because you gave an answer where the bible didn't and that's my whole point And so how I was trained because it keeps me from One being too dogmatic on things that the bible isn't totally clear about right? There's just some things he didn't tell us everything about that we want to know right and so what I do is all right This is what it says. I'm open to It being right. That's like I like I was trying to get at the point of problem Maybe I didn't do good enough job, but I was trying to get the point across that These people may have been regenerated in the Old Testament. They may I just want a passage other than that I'll say no or not or maybe maybe not I don't know But I don't see that and so and someone says no I see it this way because hey ma'am But I can't be too dogmatic on something that don't have a definitive scripture, right? and so Going through the passages as we go through like, you know what? Because there was a time that I that I that I did Hold to probably there was a time where I did actually hold to Total depravity the way that Calvinist it and there was a time where I held to limited told me the way Calvinist did I'm not sure I can't remember if they were at the same time There probably was some overlap where I held to all five tenets of it Or four and a half tenets of it So and you're right. I said, uh, I don't I don't believe that that we choose him I do not believe that guys so I am If you guys ask me I would tell you I don't believe that we choose him I've had this argument for I've I've had arguments with people who who who Who are against Calvinism and they assume well, of course as you're arguing this you must you must be one of those countless Calvinists aren't the only ones that believe in election They they aren't It's not a Calvinistic doctrine. It's a doctrine that Calvin and Calvinists have adopted Because there's good biblical evidence to support that it was it's been there. So Anyway, my point is I would hope that people would Try to remove as much of the label as possible and then start listening to what a person is actually saying for example Uh, latent flowers who is you all know who latent flowers is he he is If it's Calvinist, he's coming at you, right? And I think he's a good brother But he has gone out to say that I am a Calvinist like I'm not a Calvinist And I've got videos where he's saying that if you believe this and you believe that then that didn't make you Then you don't believe in total depravity You don't and so and and and a three-part a three-point Calvinist is that accountants. He said that well, then why are you calling me Calvinist? Well, because I feel like saying I I've got this thing where I'm I'm dealing with Calvinism And so what ends up happening and I've said this about it before I I love the man I really do but I think that he sees Calvinist too much And I think a lot what happens a lot of the followers of his See Calvinist too much. And so everything's a Calvinist like like the little boy from the sixth sense I see I see dead people. I see Calvinist all the time. I'm not a Calvinist And so I thought it was just kind of funny. I'm not a Calvinist guys a little video. I'm made. I'm not a Calvinist I'm not a Calvinist. Yeah, you are. No, I'm okay fine fine. If you want to call me that then fine I'm not gonna I'm not gonna make you believe if you think that I don't know what I am then so be it Right, right. I mean and I think I think that that's where I try to have conversation with people You know, even even in the chat, you know, I forgot they got thinking them with Robert something the second, you know Came at me because I hold to the position regarding regarding soul ties. Okay, fine I mean, I know for people that's that's quote-unquote reform that may be Maybe foreign to them, but I'm like, okay, that's your that's your position I I I believe I can I can I can hold my own on it and can have a conversation with anybody about it And it's not just some some charismatic and some type of neo pentecostal thing Um, but it's because I I I you know Believe that and people want to attack you for it. I don't like but if you don't want to have a conversation Then bro, that's not that's not even make these little pot shot comments. That's and that's what any of us That's what any of us if you if you're going to make public statements and public accusations Then you should be willing to come up if not shut up I don't get my channel Uh, uh, uh, don't don't don't get don't get my channel up. Yeah, it's fucking a summer cast. I thought I could say that but whatever I I would I would say this now and I try to do this when when someone is in the chat and uh They're either misunderstanding Misrepresenting they may be doing unintentionally or intentionally fine every now and then y'all y'all will see me kind of Okay, let me just deal with this person. This person will be the featured All right comment commenter in the chats today. And so let's just see if I can kind of walk you There've been a lot of folks on here who have said this this this and then all right. Let's talk to you Tell me this tell me that and then have changed so, um No, j. John McCarthy. He's he's he's dispensational, but he doesn't say a leaky He calls himself a leaky dispensational. That's right. And so The different he's pretty consistent on that. He's pretty consistent at dispensational beliefs regarding people Who are who are hardcore dispensationalists? What whether you go to a dts or you go to a tendella? What have you they'll say no He's not neither. He nor is the master seminary Dispensational, but I don't care I don't care because rather than you saying that I'm a dispensationalist or Calvinist or this or that Just listen to what I'm saying All right, and I'm gonna I'm gonna make you if you say so I'm gonna make you give me the scripture and I'm gonna look at this in the context who he's talking to why he's saying what he's saying And that's how I'm gonna do everything. So let me let me let's do this though. Um We've been here forever, but if you guys have a question We'll take maybe two or three or four questions And so if you guys have a question real briefly go ahead and put in the um, a big cue or big question Um, and then ask your question relating to this not about anything else, but relating to To what we've been talking about so not about, um Nephilim not about Ties not about anything but just this my grandson's outside the door yelling So anyway, I'll give you guys is a uh an opportunity to go ahead and and populate your questions That is if you do and so and by the way When I say let me make this clear though guys, I'm not saying that christians Today choose christ. I say for a fact that christ shows us then we choose him I'm speaking What's your question? Um 1689 they say to put this question on the last one Will all bald brothers go to heaven? Well, I've seen some bad some bald brothers who I just know ain't safe. So no I would like I would like to believe personally. This is me that uh, uh, satan probably has a head full of hair I might be wrong Do you believe Uh, do you believe That a person can choose christ as a act of his or her will Apart from chosen or drawn that was kind of the the crux of the argument. Um, I think that Um salvifically choosing uh is a continual thing. I don't think absolute the holy spirit that can happen Do I think somebody like like uh, who's described in? Um As jesus described in the parable sores could choose for a moment Yeah, we can choose for a moment, but it's temporary as jesus says it's temporary That's not that's not true saving faith. And so There's not one person in heaven that that will be in heaven because they chose him first um You can answer this one can a person Um, can a person lack the ability to believe but at the same time have the will to believe I want to believe but I just don't believe What do you think? Having having the will to believe believe what to believe to believe christ to be saved I believe that if a person if a person uh, if a person's heart is is is uh Being pricked and convicted by the holy spirit to do that. I believe the lord will complete in and finish his work with that Um, no one said the christ is lord except by the power of the holy spirit, you know paul says the karenthian So I think that if a person is if a person is coming to that type of realization That they are a sinner and that christ That christ died for them And that they have genuinely and and sincerely Believe that in place of faith and trust in that then I believe that that's something that that is definitely possible because the scriptures teach that But if a person is saying that you know Apart from god's saving work that they can believe on their own. No no no man can do that They they and if they do and it does not last and it was not sincere faith and sincere believe that's my position Okay, nila asked me What's the difference between can't and won't? can't and won't One one deals with ability one deals with the will one. I believe a person's Remember back in the day we were kids. Uh, we would say what they would tell us, you know, uh Can I have a piece of candy? They'll say yeah, you can but what are you what what should you ask me? May I Because that denotes permission can denotes ability Will denotes a a a a motivation or you know something that you you want to do But can actually denotes ability. I can't I can't jump 30 000 feet I don't have the ability to do that, but I can fly 30 000 feet in a plane. That's something that's different Monkey moon says uh, is pharaoh in heaven? No pharaoh's not pharaoh's not heaven because we know clearly he hardened his heart Somebody asked you drew ight druski At the bottom. I believe say go do you have videos related to soul ties? Yes, I do you can go to my channel um I have about two I think two two videos. I think at least uh regarding that under under bcb You can pull it up there and you can also email me If you have questions about that and and if anything's not clear I have no problem trying to respond just give me some time to respond I do get a lot of emails uh throughout the week and other correspondence So but you can go to my channel and and uh and look that up. Thank you This this is probably more more so for me What do you think it means when jesus said nobody can come to me unless the father draws him? and again As i'm looking at uh, not just in this one, but another uh passage as well relating to this that a person Mike there are those There there are Pharisees Who believe but they weren't they weren't say why because For fear of the people. I think that a person who is going to come to him They might there are those folks who will Say yeah, I believe jesus There are some folks who might even want to do it kind of secretly But the people that are going to be drawn and drawn continuously because this is a constant walk This isn't a one day belief or a two day belief or one week No, this is a constant lifestyle of believing Constant following and so that's what I think he means that that those people are going to be that The only way that can happen is if you be drawn There are those that can show up At the party for the moment And then depart they weren't drawn they weren't of christ to begin with In their mind made sense. It's a good idea. You know what you're right. I keep messing up I think ought to get saved tomorrow though or Yeah, you know, I'm going to say why not what the heck it's a it's a four sunday And then soon as as jesus says that persecution troubles so forth come they leave Well, that's not the same kind of faith that we're talking about and so I think a person could Kind of in the head wise a mental ascent come but not in a as a lifestyle permanently No, they cannot according to what jesus says in john six. No Right somebody did ask the question. I believe it was uh one This one is kind of important because it's dealing with salvation. Uh, he said my brother my Will leonhardt leon Leonhardt, I believe my hope. I'm saying your name, right He says my brother. I guess he meant to say my brother's gay. How can I reach him? He's lost You reach him by number one? uh Let me say this first and foremost pray I think we minimize that Because sometimes it's hard. I believe for Ken folk to reach sin folk um When you when you have family that know you Sometimes it's hard for them to hear the truth that you have to say even though what you're saying is true I mean, I got people in my family You know, they they they don't want to hear what nothing I have to say So maybe somebody else that maybe they say the same thing that you're saying Maybe able to reach them, but you try I mean you can try to have a conversation with them I would encourage you again to pray I would encourage you to try to talk with them alone and maybe pick a place or A day where yarking is go somewhere sit down You know have a cup of coffee or you know sit somewhere where you it would just be you and that individual You know having a conversation somewhere where there's no distractions or anything like that and share your concerns Share your concern and then let them know Uh, you know that you love them But you love them enough to tell them the truth And I think that's another problem We think that love does not tell people that you've no love confronts, but it's how we confront so Help them to understand that their their lifestyle is an offense to a whole and righteous god Let them know that uh, if that if they persist in this The end result of their of their of their life is is hell But they don't have to you know stand that that god god can save them if they Turn from their sin and and repent and trust in christ And that let them know that there's no perfect persons or christians and nothing like that because people always want to throw that out there Well, I ain't perfect. Well join the club. That's not the issue here. The issue is is that how do we how do we see our sin? Uh regarding god's word and what he says about us. So I think that that's what I would recommend You know that you do uh In that but definitely pray for that individual and pray to god give you the word Somebody wants to do that. Yeah, I think listen I think you should do what we would do with anybody who is gay or straight Um, give them the gospel Uh, I have I've I've I've had some occasions to kind of deal with administer with people who are Having issues with their sexuality either homosexual or even in their desires towards kids And so the issue is not me giving them the right word. I I can't find the words I can't find the right program to get them to change their heart I know one person who can't I know one person who can change their heart and so Our issue the gay person's issue the straight person's issue the the the sinners issue Even the believers issue our ultimate issue is proximity. How close we are with him? And so if this person that your brother give him the the gospel Give him the gospel. Let him know that he's loved now You're not sanctioning and compromising and giving approval to what he's doing But you want this person to grow in christ? I can promise you this that as he grows in christ That desire to sin whatever the sin is is going to move away And they will be convicted the holy spirit is not going to live in you and leave you Unconvicted with your sin. It's not going to happen so uh Oh, let me hear the fact that only god Jesus knows whom he chose. Do you think Us not having the knowledge but the fear? Repentance and trust in him is how he causes us thereby he okay, I said Sam. Do I think that that that that This thing keeps moving on me. I just look at it right here Do I think or do we think that us not having the knowledge? But the fear and repentance and trust in him is how he causes us I don't know. Um, I I know I know this when the whole After your heart is regenerated Not only does it make sense To place your faith in christ after this regeneration takes place It makes sense to want to stay There's something in you where now you're bothered by the same thing that the spirit is bothered by why because the spirit is in you And so what bothers you Is what keeps you sin and what brings you is what keeps you love for him And the whole now how that works We don't we can't we don't have a a A microscope to look and see well, this is the spirit does this is this particular nerve ending It does that it moves the hand that we don't have that we we just don't know totally All we do know is what the result is Of a person having the holy spirit in them and that we do know that people that are in him have been chosen That's all we know. We don't know who's going to be chosen. Like jesus says The spirit goes where it will we don't know where it's going from or where it's going to So it is of everyone who was born of the spirit and so When we preach christ We're not out preaching I need everybody who has been elected to come. That's not how we do that Right go out and we just present the good news And that if you happen to be believing on today according to Matthew john six you have life Going on into the eternity Right Somebody say you oh lisa say you're three hours in corin. Yes, sir. Listen. I'm earning this today Yeah, lisa listen Somebody said what's dude said what's wrong with cori? What do you mean what's wrong with cori? Tell me you tell me what's wrong with me. Who was it that somebody said what's wrong with cori? You tell me. I don't know what's wrong with me. I'm trying my best. I'm trying my best Oh lord christian. Did you just ask me christian? He said why doesn't cori hold to all five but only three or four. We're not listen. Go back If you need to join yeah, he must have just joined in yeah But listen, I've covered this three hours early. Yeah, I've covered this before guys. I mean listen, it's not But I will tell you this though within what is today today's february the something so we got the 20th Roughly a month until the bible study classes start back up I can promise you this not not guaranteed for everybody But I can promise you this a whole lot of folks that that might be sort of disagreeing with me When you start going through the class, I can promise you some of you guys are going to change Oh, I see what you're saying now and so Maybe it's because I'm just not doing a good enough job in these in these I don't know. Maybe I think I must be doing something But for some folks again, I don't care who the teacher is or who the person is speaking Everybody is not going to be fully convinced as jesus as Jeremiah That's just how it is. And so I'm not bothered by the fact that some folks don't get it I do hope that everyone gets my passion gets my heart. And so if I'm wrong, hey Work with me pray for me So let's do a couple more questions. And then we'll get up out of here because lisa's gonna lisa's ready to call youtube owners Let me go to madison she says well You can answer this question too. Does one have to have the holy spirit to be regenerated How does this line up with the old testament since they didn't have the hey man madison? Don't go down with seco got this no Yeah, yeah, we're already answering that question. But go ahead and try it. Yeah, you know swing at it You miss seco messing the question up. He got it all wrong But you have to have The problem that that god had with mankind Is their their incessant desire to want to sin god? I appreciate what you did But man right now i'm i'm down with this sin. I appreciate all the listen. I appreciate you Uh partner red sea. I appreciate the man from heaven. I appreciate all that stuff I appreciate the earthquakes the tornado. I appreciate all the stuff that you've done to deliver us But but right now I got my eye on this hit tight woman over there. I'll get with you in a second. Jesus lord Well sin has always been an issue with god always been an issue with god We have this wayward heart. So what's he gonna do? He is going to his solution is to regenerate the heart and nobody Nobody at least for now the one thing that the seco and I can't agree on Nobody nobody nobody nobody right now Past the cross Gets in without a regenerated heart Nobody and so I think Now Do you know when your heart becomes regenerated because someone asks how do I know that I've been regenerated? Simple when you've placed your faith in Christ That that's how you know If you haven't done so well then your heart hasn't been regenerated That's now I'll wind up with the irresistible grace part on that part that something is working And you causes you that ultimately because there's there's no passage because I someone was trying to argue against irresistible grace Problem is we don't have any passages that say that a person once they have been regenerated They don't come We do have one classic text, which is acts 1348 that all who have been appointed to believe Did choose and so or did believe so I think the bible is batting the file or god is batting the thousand when it comes to someone having their heart regenerated And then placing their faith in Christ Let me give you let me let me get a question for um For the og here y'all do realize that even though Even though um I look Well, probably what would you say seiko probably ten years younger than you? I'm only gonna. No, I would not say that. I'm only No, I would not say that I would not I'll tell him right is like well out to the police right where you are. Yeah, he over here Lying Seiko's a hater. Why how am I ducking you these guys? Stop ducking. I'm probably giving too much time beyond No, I love you though 6989 um He said somebody said christina. She said can you get can you answer my question based on the example that you gave Regarding the gay person in order for them to be saved. They will need to be a part of the elect We don't know who the elect are and and and so that's that's it. So when The elect are those who are saved. That's how we know that they're the elect But nobody knows who the elect are only god does God the father god the son god the holy spirit know who the elect are our job is to scatter the seed Our job is to preach the gospel our job is to preach repentance to everyone. That's our job It's god's job to do his job But it's our job to go out and make disciples is our job to go out and evangelize the loss That's what you agree with this because someone asks a question Since we don't know Why then do we talk about it? Why do we talk about what about election and so forth? Tell me if you agree with this? I say The reason for it Is what it does it demonstrates what god did for us and how much more we should love for the person who and somebody might might be adopted out there Somebody I mean legitimately adopted their their birth mother and father are not the ones who raised them I've got a couple buddies good friends who were adopted Their parents chose them and they they won they weren't the prettiest I can tell you for a fact They weren't the prettiest baby, but then too man They're my buddies. I can say it But then too Even after how they lived after getting adopted Their parents still didn't get rid of them probably should have It shows how much Their earthly parents loved them in spite of I think the reason that god is that god brings this out in scripture because Truth be if he wanted to keep it a secret before he could have We we were still we preaching we didn't we don't have to know what's happening internally for us to still do it But just to know like you did that for me Well, we're commanded we're commanded to do it. So first of all, why do we do it? Why I mean we're commanded to preach the gods, but we also commanded to teach what he taught So and and sometimes those things are not going to be popular like this conversation is not going to be popular for everybody But we're commanded if we if I'm if I'm christ ambassador and I am then I'm commanded to say what the king says That's it. I I did I listen I tell people all the time god wrote it. I just quote it. That's it I deliver the mail. I I'm in the mail room and whatever the the uh, the uh, Mailmaster says a postmaster says then that's what I do period. So I don't I don't I don't determine Um and dictate the message how uh, god wants to have it done No, I'm to say and to preach what does say of the lord and and and you would not always want to get it right But we don't make excuses for that. We should be making confessions for it And striving to do what pleases the lord going forward. Tell you what we're gonna have to do though I'm I'm I'm gonna try to get get some guys together Uh, maybe one or two other people on on kind of My closer to how I believe and one or two other guys closer to how you believe and let's just kind of have a a Uh, not not a discussion about it, but a q and a uh, that will also lead into us having discussion Uh art goon says thank you for the chat by the way By the way, the rest of you guys that because we were having the discussion I did not get a chance to thank you all as well for this as well. Thank you. Thank you But he says how can or can a christian get their name blotted out. There's there's a passage There's a passage in revelation three Or just so I can mess with seiko revelations What is revelation three five? It's so petty Come on just gonna attack me. Let me put on the screen Um, because I want you all to see I think it's important to see what it says and what it doesn't say I think that is extremely important. It says He who overcomes and by the way, this is in the present active participle of the nikon The overcoming ones will thus be clothed in white garments So if you're know if you're overcoming if you're one of the overcoming ones Then he says you will be clothed in white garments now before I continue Who are the overcoming ones according to john first john by the way general with the same passage the same as well he says the overcoming ones are those who have been born of the spirit Very important, right? So those who are born of the spirit are the overcoming ones and the overcoming ones will According to this passage will be clothed in white garments and I will look what he says I will not erase or blot his name out of the book of life For some reason people take this passage to say well He says I will not or never ever blot your name out. By the way, why do I say never ever? Look, let me make this a little bit bigger in the greek If you notice where he says I will not you have what's called a ume in front of the bottom left It's a future active indicative meaning that is impossible He negates the possibility of a future act of negating or blotting someone out Therefore it's not going to happen. So my question then is why then do people turn around and say not you But others turn around take this passage to say that you mean tell me he can blot a sound when he just said I will not I will never ever erase your name from the book But he says what I will do though What I will is I will confess Your name before my father. So he says what he will do and what he won't do What he will do is not blot your name out and if you want to go to revelation 22 19 Unfortunately guys, uh, for some there are some versions that will have Blot his name out of the book of life is of the tree of life Not a big difference in terms of salvation, but in terms of someone having a name blotted out It is a big difference. And so what if there's not not that not what it actually says But there is no passage that says that our names can be blotted out blotted out of the book of life period so But yes, I want to see if I can get some folks together Not sure who do you have in mind? I have nobody in mind Listen, first of all getting somebody to want to deal with you and me at the same time. It's gonna be difficult Don't it's gonna be pretty difficult Now these people see I know you hold to the last to the last ten of uh Of the doctrines of grace perseverance these people have persevered So these people gonna these people gonna have their their right to the tree of life here, so On the book of life But yeah, this this is uh, this was good. I mean, you know, uh, but but dan did ask a question about John McArthur Say what we what we ever want to debate him I would have to probably have a I would like to have a conversation with John McArthur I mean, we have a lot of questions to ask this man Uh regarding recent developments. I would say, uh, pray for him Pray for grace community church. There's a lot of issues going on over there that have yet to be addressed and dealt with um, and You can we can ignore it all we want. I believe that God's providence has allowed a lot of these things to surface and come up to the top And um, we we need to we need to avoid favoritism. We need to avoid bias and uh We are a matter of fact, I don't know if you saw this quarry. We can wrap this up I don't know if you saw this but you may want to check out the last portion of the video that I did last night Uh, the boy out, uh, isaac saldivar had, uh, had went at, uh, Ben Shapiro And his denial of jesus being being god So much so to where as I use that video as a as a slam dunk against John McArthur affirming Ben Shapiro saying that we we both we both, uh, have the same god. No, we do not Um, Ben Shapiro does not have the same god that that christians have he denies the deity or christ He denies that jesus is is god let alone the messiah He said that jesus basically got in trouble with the roman government and that's how he got that's how he got knocked off I mean that type of desperate language disparaging language bro. He said that on, um, What's a jill rogan sit on jill rogan show so This stuff man is like it's not a game. We need to be careful. I think I think this is about mccarthur I'm a fan of mccarthur But that doesn't mean that I that there aren't things that I would that I wouldn't call out And I think that's just the same with me. Listen. I'm a fan of seiko. I'd call I call him out. I'm a fan of who I'm a fan of anybody who is in christ But that didn't mean that I can't call them out. And so if there's something and I think that I think that The bad the the worst part about all of this is with the whole Lady being put out is I think it was a class it was a it was a An opportunity missed And here's what I mean by that Everybody messes up Everybody and he's been in ministry for longer than you and I have been alive And so certainly he's messed up. He's made some mistakes he has a A ministry that most pastors would would envy He didn't have a hold now. He's got some issues that need to be dealt with but he's not necessarily a He's not a heretic And so here's a golden opportunity to say yeah guys we messed up And you it could be a teachable moment and it also shows Uh, the fact that we're not above saying that we messed up because That's not a church in America that hasn't messed up none of the pastors who had messed up Unless your name is jesus and you ain't at the pulpit. You've messed up So I think it was a good it it was an opportunity missed where I said hey guys. Yeah Plus it was in the past We messed up We should have did this but if you double down and say No, we didn't well then don't go on it You did you messed up with island great. You just did and I'm not Destroying you for it, but you got to be able to say even the group around. Yeah, I just we we we didn't do that All right, everybody can say that we messed up, right? Listen cycles when we're back in ycb and say, you know, yeah, I messed up with Yeah, I bit bit off more not you shouldn't have did it I only think I messed up with only think I messed up in is letting this letting this this this this person think That he that he that he won something. Uh, I'll say this we gotta wrap it up, bro I know yeah, we do we I'm home to pull her hair out, bro. Let's see. See she's oh, man We saw you just right I think you need to check out because this is not this Island great is not the only issue that macabre has that there was another abuse claim that just happened last year Same same it's like a the repeating cycle, bro So this is not this is not a a one-time issue that happened 20 years ago This is something also that happened just recently a year ago Where a woman was told to go back to her abusive husband Under the biblical quote-unquote biblical counseling of brace community church So again, this this of a series y'all and we need to be be on guard and guard ourselves from idols It ain't just about the Mormons and the Muslims and the and the Roman Catholics that got idols We got idols in our own camp. We need to call it out and deal with it. So I'm done, bro Bottom line We're in a everybody we we mess up. We are full of messing up and so We should be open to be wrong to be corrected But what we should be always doing is striving to get and be closer to him y'all. Thank y'all for being here This has been wonderful. Uh, I'm probably I'm not doing another video for another week. I'm tired Yeah, right I got seven videos. I'm doing seven videos Uh, because of how things are with me, I I have to be just push record and so forth. But I listen The reason why we do this Um, I do not spend like I don't ask for a whole lot from you guys or what have you know We're not you know money hungry to snap or whatever neither one of us. And so, um, the main issue is the reason why I love the bible and I love you guys. I love just saying. Hey y'all, this is what it is I wish I could do more q and a's and so forth Hey, man dog going. I'm sorry I cannot overstate it the fact how much we love you guys. And so Um, the reason why we do this is just one for our identification, but also for yours. So guys, thank you so much Seiko, thank you so much, brother. This was appreciate you appreciate my brother. I can't tell you how you know It's like a lot of folks are gonna do reaction videos of this thing. So I can't wait That's cool. Listen guys. God bless you and we will see you all when we see you