 Thank you. Good morning, everybody. It was very nice to see you all here. I was just saying to Ken that it's great. You all came so early, so we're starting unscheduled. And as you know what we're going to be talking about is the changing face of digital innovation in Ireland. This presentation, can I introduce someeka formally in a minute, will be on the record. cyd-dweud hynny'n gwybod y byddai chi'n mynd i'w chadwmhau cyflwynt. Doedd ydych chi'n rhaid o'r arddangos ar y 가�f teist ar y bwysig yn hyn yn ymweld. Mae'n rhaglen oedd yn 10 y modd o unig, ac rwy'n rhaglen o'r ddweud bydd o'r tîm. Mae'n rhaglen o'r 6 eich llei geirio cenderwch yng Nghymru, o fod eich bod yn ddefnyddio ymweld. Felly, we are doing very well and we are particularly lucky today and happy to have Ken Finnegan back to talk to us here in the IAE way. He is well placed to discuss and provide insights on how Ireland has managed to achieve what is a really good record when you think about it and is uniquely positioned to take the lead and to look at how we are going to take the lead in digital innovation and digital disruption in the future. Ken is director of technology and innovation at the Harvard, sorry, the Harvard. He is global experience, you probably all know this in research, development and innovation in high value technology organisations and initiatives that create tangible value. He has also worked very closely with research centres with universities and third level institutions and helped create a master's degree in AI with three of the universities which was a really big development I think and really very timely. He was also chief technologist with the IDA and was involved in policy development, the creation of jobs and industrial growth. He was responsible in creating national value propositions for Ireland in artificial intelligence, the internet of things, cyber security and software engineering. So we are particularly lucky to have Ken here today and we look forward to your presentation and your insights. Thank you very much. Good morning everybody. I guess it is probably best to start off with talking about, I don't know if anybody has seen the news over the past 24 hours but it has been an interesting development with the Harvard innovation campus. It is no longer going to be on a ferry terminal in Tunliri which is a shame but we are working through that at the moment. It is an interesting development but only a minor slowdown let's say in terms of the vision that we have for Ireland. Thank you very much for having me here today and that was very kind introduction especially after the past 24 hours. There is a lot of stuff going on and we can make a change. So the changing phase of digital innovation in Ireland. As Joyce mentioned over the past six, seven years I have had a great opportunity. I worked as chief technologist in IDA and while I was there my day-to-day job was understanding Ireland from an innovation perspective, from a tech and innovation perspective, getting out there essentially into the field and understanding what large multinationals are doing but also attracting multinationals into Ireland. At the same time it was an opportunity to develop value propositions for Ireland. The past 18 months of artificial intelligence has definitely consumed my life and I think it is everybody in this room if you haven't heard about the change or disruption that artificial intelligence is going to have on the world then you probably haven't been tuned into any media of any sort. So it was an absolute joy to work on that. Off the back of developing that value proposition because we'd engaged with the entire industry around the country and research centres etc. We managed to secure €3.5 million euros from government to set up the first, what we believe to be the first collaborative industry-driven national masters in the world. So what that means is the entire masters was actually defined by industry. So 37 companies came together and as opposed to university or academia defining what should be taught and the companies basically specified what should be on that masters. It's getting international recognition. It's been the most successful ICT skill net masters programme or programme skill net Ireland have ever run massively oversubscribed. So that was again a nice demonstration of the appetite from an AI perspective. Now I jump straight into AI there. So let's kick off. So what is innovation? I've really simple definition of innovation and because I've worked from an enterprise perspective simply because innovation is the commercialisation of an idea. From a government perspective it could be the impact of an idea etc. Creativity is thinking up new things, innovation is doing new things. This expression here, this formula here is something that I actually have written on my desk and framed on my desk because I think it's a really nice demonstration of innovation slash creativity. So C is for creativity equals the function of A and I'll explain what A is in a second but K i.e. K is knowledge, I is imagination and E is evaluation, A is attitude. If you've got the wrong attitude you don't have innovation, you don't have creativity and it's a conversation that I've been having especially a lot recently from an enterprise perspective but also from an innovation perspective. If there's people on your team, if you want to innovate and there's individuals on your team or there's a general kind of like culture of no, you're going nowhere fast and I think there's a way to change that as well. If you have people on your teams that kind of like go like no, get them to say both what if opens up the conversation and so I guess innovation, commercialisation of idea, to commercialise an idea, you have to be able to have those ideas, no STEM is that opportunity. So why has the term digital innovation become so ubiquitous? Everybody's talking about it these days as I mentioned artificial intelligence is a topic that you're currently but essentially the term innovation was coined in the late 90s in Forbes by a gentleman's name who I can't remember right now and it started I guess in 1998 especially with the first year the web 0.1 when the digital innovation happened and companies and individuals started to recognise as like okay we have a store or we have some type of enterprise, we need to get online, we need to just be digitally aware sell our products and services online that mentality has become so ubiquitous and it's underpinned by digitisation and we'll explain that in a second. As I mentioned we have artificial intelligence everybody's talking about it and they're not individual and all these technologies aren't they don't stand by themselves anymore they everything is starting to work together and this is where the complication is how it's becoming why it's becoming really complicated challenging and there's a lot of opportunities. So if you think about like from an IoT perspective is everybody familiar with the internet of things? So the idea is putting a sensor on whatever you want I could have one on my coast to measure kind of like my location or measure my biometric information and that information can be collected and if you're collecting millions billions of people's information AI is the solution that will look at that information and and and do some type of predictive analytics or say like okay maybe you need to buy a new coast this one's too old or basically provide some insight. 5G is about to come on the market next summer we'll we'll see the arrival of 5G what this means is currently the pipes that we communicate through have a certain capacity by when 5G is launched it's going to change the way communication happens so instead of downloading a movie which you probably could have done a few years ago but in in hours 5G will allow it to happen in seconds so communication and the transfer of data will happen in a much quicker way. Augmented virtual reality really fascinating things happening from that perspective as well we've seen closed stores where you can walk into now and using my jacket again it's like you can actually look at the screen and it'll put on the jacket for you and it'll measure you up and give you the right size and colours etc in and around but that's just one application area if you look at autonomous vehicles the application of google maps onto the windscreen of cars and there's lots of lots lots of opportunities happening there. Quantum computing is the next big thing I don't know much about that myself at the moment but if you have a conversation or if you look at IBM they've just developed the first quantum computing again the speed and size of computers or the speed is getting exceptionally fast sizes small robotics and artificial again artificial intelligence goes hand in hand and Ireland is really strong in AI we don't have such a heritage in robotics and we can see kind of like this some and to some good work coming out of trinity at the moment I don't know if anybody's been to Asia and some of the Asian hotels have pepper the computer or the little robot has a little screen that welcomes you you've seen them yeah um Ireland developed Stevie so Stevie so trinity is um professor professor Conor McGinn has developed a little robot called Stevie now Stevie isn't just for kind of like welcoming you into the foyer of a hotel they're very much focused on um assisting elderly and infirm people in in in the likes of um old folks home and in in camper lessons homes they want them to have a specific function in those areas um and there's really interesting work actually happening with um his company that he's spun out from trinity alone alone yeah yeah and alone actually won a prize a couple of years ago from the social innovation fund I think they go yeah yeah alone on netwell casala really interesting actually a fantastic example of the application of um technology in in an environment um where you can look after elderly people so in in Dundalk there's a there's a living lab so the 16 apartments and those apartments are have approximately 200 000 sensors in them whether they're on the floor under mats whether they're on the doors etc um and the whole idea is to monitor um and give independence to elderly people that are afraid to live alone so they're able to like for example when they get out of bed at night time when they step on their mat the light comes on automatically um one of the studies actually I saw from alone was um it was using again iot and I won't say I would definitely iot where every time they walked in and out of their house or every time they got up and out into bed and out of bed um everything was recorded when certain individuals went to their doctor the doctor was able to see their movement patterns to identify depression is is very subjective you go to the doctor and the doctor will ask you how do you feel and if you're kind of like if you're an open person you might go look I feel purely depressed right now but some people are embarrassed about mental health issues um so they'll say you know what I'm not too bad so it's really hard to identify if they're actually suffering from mental health issues with the information that they were able to collect about the movement of individuals they're able to the doctor can look at the data and subjectively go like I see a change in your behaviour for example a depressed person um doesn't like to won't leave their house typically to go shopping during the day because there's more people they can potentially move bump into they leave later on at night and you can see these changes in this data you can over time so in the years time or over six months you can recognise this change of information now it could be just a change in behaviour but at least the doctor is um equipped with information to go like okay there is a change in your in your behaviours are you sure you're okay and it gives the doctor more opportunity to kind of like investigate and um understand and that's I guess a really nice example of the power of of of technology and what it can do um so yeah first of all there's a tech like it's overwhelming artificial intelligence blockchain 5g robotics cyber security there's so much going on out there I was at a cyber security conference recently and it was specifically about cyber security but they talked about artificial intelligence and they talked about blockchain so we they're not silos anymore they're starting to come together and trying to get your head around this is is is very challenging seconds there's that night that example and the choice mentioned there's the application area of those technologies so up there we have um autonomous vehicles so via letter bulk the commissioner for um transportation in the european commission wants to see european streets and roads um totally autonomized by 2040 so there's every car in in europe every vehicle um autonomous by 2040 the main driver behind us there's a quarter of a million people die on their streets of europe every year um so to to bring the the target is how the target is to have zero deaths on the european roads um human error causes obviously most um accidents I noticed some kind of like uh some horror stories already with regards to people being in accidents with um autonomous vehicles but we're at the very start of that journey when the machines are all communicating with each other apparently it's going to be uh it's going to be interesting but turning turning a car into a technical device a technology device is that idea of convergence it's like the application of microelectronics communication technology and data analytics um and merging them all together to work seamlessly with each other um we've spoken about from a health perspective just so many opportunities I was glad to see um the new CEO of the um HSE is can anybody help me out with his name here he's ex um intel Martin Curly Martin Curly thank you I'm glad you drew him out there I was delighted to see Martin Curly has taken over that role he's like voted um top CIO um in Europe back in 2015 and I think hopefully he will have a massive impact in terms of what they can do and because the opportunity from a health perspective is phenomenal um another interesting and this is really relevant from an Irish perspective um advanced manufacturing we're not of that we are a manufacturing economy 33 percent of our GDP depends on on manufacturing um we're not low cost so it's not like the good old days of of having low skilled workers on low wages we are an advanced economy we need to we need to reduce costs so so if you go into some of the factories around the country they're absolutely spectacular in terms of the robotics and the technology that they have um I've been invited to give a talk to uh and this is actually really interesting over the past year I was invited to speak to radiologists about artificial intelligence so you can see different sectors in industry starting to prepare they recognize okay there's a potential disruption to our industry how do we prepare um so with the accountants the accountancy association of Ireland they've invited me to come and have a talk with them about artificial intelligence because any job that can be um that has routine in it essentially a robot essentially an AI can do robotic process automation is the disruptor there um so we've seen everybody from radiologists to accountants to to to all these different individuals starting to prepare for what's next and it's a really kind of it's a mentality that I very much encourage and I'm always happy to have discussions with people because because the future of our work is is transforming the whole idea of uh the education system at the moment it was in like going to primary school secondary school college coming out and then doing a job that's no longer the future we need to prepare ourselves as well as um as well as enterprise um yeah and then I have a picture of governments there um we have issues I know in government but I can see them starting to take take action I've been on I've sat on steering committees or committees in looking at and and and addressing kind of like why is Ireland number 10 in the world for innovation but at times our government can doesn't necessarily embrace it so there's a lot of kind of like a lot of work being there to try and address that number one I always say is we always come down to culture I guess the second point and an interesting point from my days in IDA when a multinational comes to Ireland they get to see the crown jewels they get to see why Ireland for innovation they get to see the amazing things that are going on around the country um as part of the plan with the harbour innovation campus that it was to make somewhere that's a nice demonstrator where everybody could come to to go and demonstrate what was going on there we'll still get it we'll still get to that finally I just want to talk about business models as well because everything's changing your traditional way of doing business is is no longer and and it's it's yeah that says it all basically and I'm sure you've seen many people in the room have seen this slide before but it's just it reinforces that that idea of business models who were the largest taxi company and it owns no cars airbnb owns no real estate skype doesn't have any telecommunications infrastructure now you're adding alibaba has anybody ever shopped from alibaba or wish yeah me too um and only recently and I'm kind of going like I you can see to benefit you know and facebook society one netflix apple our apple and google for for for um software no apps just platforms the whole idea of the platformer economy has become a new ubiquitous I look at this and I don't know if I feel terrified or if I feel kind of like this this this more opportunity here we saw last week um the Irish Government are starting to prepare legislation for controlling airbnb um in in Ireland and that's happening all around the world at the moment so we are definitely on a journey and some organizations are well ahead in terms of that journey um especially the digital native organizations I think what the the massive opportunity that we see at the moment is non-digital organizations and that idea of convergence so the health sector the the um transportation industry um the ones I talked about a few moments ago um every company is a technology company no matter what product or service it provides the companies that embrace this factor the ones to shape our world so this is a a Gartner um partner Peter Sandergard that's his quote also it's Pascal Donohue Minister for Minister for Finance Irish Government he's I've seen him speak of the past two weeks paraphrasing this he's aware that every company needs to become a digital needs to become a digital organization irrespective of your sector and I think it's so important I think the European Commission have um have identified this as well and if you if you look up the European Commission you'll see digital innovation hubs so the idea is that no organization across Europe is more than a 45 minute drive from a digital um innovation hub and we had a conversation that we want to have two in every region and at least minimum two in every region in Ireland um and the idea is okay I'm an accountancy firm or I'm uh an agricultural association of some sort what's going on like like I hear this AI is going to like we'll have autonomous tractors and drones flying in the air measuring for a scrote and you'll have fertilizer being spread by um by machines like how do we start this journey where do we go and that's the that's the biggest challenge for organizations at the moment it's like I know my business but I don't know technology where do I go to have this first conversation um so the idea of digital innovation hubs is great from a from um from a European perspective that that companies will have somewhere to go okay so the third challenge um for organizations is the speed of innovation so typically in innovation you have what they call the s curve of innovation so at the bottom of the s you have early adopters so and we've all seen this when the first iPhone or when an iPhone is new iPhone is released you have those crazy people that sit outside the shops going like yes it's a new color I want to get the white one and people do they queue up for for the early adopters yeah are the guys that wants wants the the first of the new tech then you've got me I guess the the growth spurt where it's like okay well the iPhone is out like two or three months it's really safe it's working there's no complaints um and as as sales happen essentially over time then you approach what they call the innovation window and this is this is where you see kind of like it's happening again with phones it's like um the apples of the world will will start teasing us with new features and it's like it's like on the next iPhone it's going to be this feature this feature this feature so that's fine then you jump from the top of the s curve onto your next innovation into your next innovation window and you've got a new phone or you've got a new product or you've got a new service etc now the problem with this or not the problem the the biggest challenge with this is traditionally on the left hand side there you can see um yeah an innovation phase would have taken years normally with the advent of digital um innovation and and digitisation these are getting so close together that it's hard to make sense and it's hard to stay on top of all the different technologies and all the opportunities and and and and innovate or die it's like if you don't if you don't recognise this it can be lethal for your organisation so this is again why why and the speed of things it's just baffling to stay on top of it so and finally fourth the evolution so innovation itself is being innovated right and just to make things complicated so originally you have closed innovation closed innovation is like okay i'm an intel i'm an ibm i'm whoever what i'm going to do is i'm going to hire really smart people and i'm going to put them in the basement for four months and they're going to come up with new products and services for me and they don't look outside the organization um this the advent in the past four or five years we've seen the advent of open innovation and and there's loads of programs and tools to help encourage um open innovation the idea is all about collaboration um has anybody ever heard the whole design thinking methodology where essentially you put your customer at the centre of your solution and you don't let engineers you don't let sales people you don't let anybody tell you what to design you let the customer go this is what i want and it can be really easily achieved i heard a really fantastic example from fidelity investments um i came up with this new idea for a like pension a 401k whatever they're called in the states and um like as opposed to building a prototype or as opposed to letting any software engineer or get an expensive work done they went and got a big piece of cardboard cut out a little kind of like ice cream van shaped van stood on the main street in boston and got and asked people as they were walking up and then the street if you had a pension that gave you this if you had a pension that looked like this so they got input from potential customers before they even started developing and i think the whole idea is that they were able to collect information in and around what products and services that they can sell from essentially and that was the actual approach we took with the AI masters as well um we the objective for at least from from an idea perspective was to understand why Ireland for artificial intelligence and traditionally we would have gone to the big four our consultants to tell us what was what why Ireland essentially and the opportunity this time we decided to take a different approach we decided to use the design thinking approach and we brought in 60 individuals from SMEs from multinationals we brought in government officials we had academic research institutions and we had uh the unions in there as well and we brought the unions in because there's going to be a massive social impact because of AI so we brought everybody together and we asked them numerous questions like what are you doing what do you see is the value from an AI perspective et cetera et cetera and from that day we were able to kind of like get a really good really good insight into why what's great about Ireland for artificial intelligence intelligence but at the same time we asked them what do you need from us what do you need from government to help to help progress that story um and we're still kind of like doing doing working it at the moment as well but the whole idea is that it's a collaboration and that's the that is the future of innovation now the final one here innovation network ecosystem is a really interesting and it feeds into the whole idea of of open innovation in order to bring the right people into a room to have a discussion about artificial intelligence you need to have an ecosystem you need to understand who those players are and I'll talk about that actually in a second so I hope you feel like um I've overwhelmed you with information but just to summarize um so we've defined what an innovation is it's commercialization essentially of an idea um why our organizations need to innovate essentially innovate or die it's it's it's nobody will will tolerate um your customers won't tolerate kind of like old-fashioned technology old-fashioned solutions there's massive challenges to do this it's like we're at we're at a really exciting time I think it's like it's from a from a from a not even from an innovation but from an enterprise perspective to companies that will survive are the ones that have the little a they figured out the attitude they figured out that it's like okay like not going to say no but what if we did it this way what if we did it that way no is a wall I remember years ago a friend of mine who was studying him or who was working in the advertising agency they work in teams of a copywriter and a I can't remember the second person but there's always two people within the team and one rule was never say no because when you're working in a team of two no is a is a wall that blocks any ideas and that idea of of collaboration and creativity if you want to innovate is essential and then finally we discussed the evolution of innovation itself all right so that's kind of like from an innovation perspective so why Ireland now I'm going to do kind of like a little bit of an idea pitch here um I'm happy that none of my ex-IDA colleagues came here this morning because I probably hash it up but we are tent in the world for innovation according to global innovation index I had the pleasure of sitting on stage with the Australian and the head of innovation for the Australian Australian and New Zealand government a few weeks ago they were 22 and 20 or 20 and 22 so it was a nice position to be in to kind of like have the discussion why um and there's an opportunity to leverage leverage all of this as I say sometimes when we're based here in our offices we don't see the amazing things that go on and I think there's an opportunity to kind of like okay there are great there's great things happening around the country I think we need to become better at talking about that we are globally recognized globally recognized um uh technology cluster um and within other sectors as well so pharma financial service agriculture and medtech um I've been invited to Prague to Croatian a few weeks to talk to their government about innovation and the context or the brief that I've been given if I was to look at root knowledge equation the A doesn't exist from a Croatian government's um perspective I've been told that they are anti technology because they know it's going to disrupt jobs and I'm kind of like that's essentially this is like um essentially like not a good um news story for for for Croatia um the capabilities that exist in Ireland again looking at from an IDA perspective is the 40 so there's talent we've got a exceptionally talented um workforce um technology in a competitive tax rate 12.5 percent um and yeah I put this in there scale up and scale out and I was in my conclusions as well one thing that we don't really talk about and that that I think Ireland has a really fantastic ability in and the multinationals have seen this is the ability is like we have 1384 multinationals in Ireland and that are clients of IDAs they can't be a client of IDA if they're only serving the Irish market so they have to be able to scale up and scale out of the country and sell products and services into um into Europe or beyond DMEA I I I try and understand why our SME sector haven't leveraged that capability to the to the extent that um to the extent that we should have as well it's there and I think actually if we can put policy around it or if we can put the programme in place of some sort to leverage that ability to scale up and scale out actually Ireland could have the next our own homegrown intel or something like that again and then finally agility we're a small country four and a half million people um it's easy to if I need to get in touch with somebody working in Intel if I need to get in touch with somebody working in government it usually only takes one or two phone calls and so having having an idea of what you need and what you want and it's not that hard to get it done in Ireland you just have to kind of like ask the questions and know the people to ask I guess um this is really a nice indication of again why we're number 10 in the world why there's a massive opportunity there and in my five four years in IDA when I joined in 2014 there was a target of having three billion euros invested into multinationals by 2019 over five years that target was reached within three years so from a macroeconomic perspective as well as something really happening there's a lot of I guess there's a lot of confidence in what companies are doing from a multinational perspective simply by looking at the numbers that have been invested and again they've leveraged the talent and capability that exists in Ireland again how do we how do we leverage that and finally um this is just a fun fact um I put in in some presentations I had to give a presentation to the European Commission earlier on this year about artificial intelligence and and Ireland and as of last year more people work directly in tech than in agriculture so we've turned that corner from being an agrarian society into a technically advanced society and I think it's um it's just a nice milestone a nice indication of kind of like where we've come from to where we're going and I had a picture of a potato turned into microchips I don't think they got it on me videos I actually had a mevidius chip there which was acquired by Intel and this again this is a collateral from IDA but I when discussing technology on Ireland and the journey that we've gone on as a state this was this is powerful so you can see in 1956 62 years ago um IBM came to Ireland one of the first multinationals that came to Ireland and they set up and they had low-skill manufacturing jobs so essentially the assembly of machines and the packing of boxes and shipping and stuff right and I always use IBM as that really great example of a company that's evolved over the 60 years in Ireland from low-skill manufacturing to we have 3,000 software engineers our day have 3,000 software engineers their largest number of software engineers working outside of the states working in Ireland and working on projects such as their Watson platform their artificial intelligence platform one of their only labs outside of DUS is based here in Dublin as well so there's that evolution that has happened in IBM look at the following companies as well all tech tech tech tech tech it's very similar journeys have happened with those organizations as well what I really like about this slide as well if we go I'll stay here in front of the microphone if we go go to kind of like when the crash happened in 2008 we see kind of like up until that stage and I this is very much tech focused but we have a lot of tech companies coming into the country with a lot of tech organizations recognized and okay and initially coming here for low-skill manufacturers and then there was a gloss towards the end of the 90s and beginning of the 90s where we had as somebody said the industrialization of call centers they'd never seen anything happen like it before in the world and we had the industrialization of call centers as you move on towards the crash and I'm not attribishing this to the crash but a lot more companies started moving into Ireland to leverage to leverage the technology capability not just in tech so you have the likes of Zalando there it's an e-commerce platform that sells fashion for example from from Germany their story is amazing they looked they were looking at four different locations around Europe for their digital and our data analytics teams so they're going to open up four different hubs they decided to set up the whole thing in Dublin and which was a bit cool I guess Dacry an augmented reality company MetLife first data Bechton Dickinson Bechton Dickinson is a pharmaceutical company again they're focused on setting up their technology development campus down in Limerick as well so what you see is that idea of convergence the multinational sector are recognizing this like we can get the skills here in Ireland for the technical skills and in order to in order to provide platforms to the world essentially I didn't say it's a really kind of a powerful and infographic just to show the journey that the country has come on from a at least from a multinational perspective but also leveraging how they've leveraged capability in Ireland so there are challenges and there's a lot of opportunity but there are challenges the quarterly economic observer released last week I think it was so in policy terms the success of foreign direct investment should be measured by the spillover effects rather than simply scale so there is a challenge there in terms of has the economy have our SMEs felt the impact of the capability that's grown through the multinational sector and it's I think it's an interesting it's an interesting topic that needs to be addressed and identified looking at it from an innovation perspective there is so much opportunity there we look that look at the whole idea of and externally focus our open innovation where and we've seen the release of the DTIF the disruptive technology innovation funds have you heard of this fund and it's half a billion fund over the next five years for disruptive technologies it was the first year was this year was 20 million it was low this year because I think the department wants to um understand the potential for this but it was massively subscribed to so over 300 organisations applied put in applications for this and we put into ourselves and and the whole idea if you read the application it's collaboration collaboration collaboration the whole it has to be driven by an Irish company in SME you can bring a multinational and a research centre on that journey with you but the whole idea is is collaboration so that's a really really excellent tool and a great initiative from the government and the second part innovation networks and ecosystems this is something that we can leverage in Ireland really simply as as Joyce mentioned they developed value propositions for software engineering cyber security internet of things and artificial intelligence and the idea of developing these propositions is like understanding what the ecosystem looks like it's not hard to identify an ecosystem again if we put some structures around this place marry these to open innovation and our our and understand our ecosystems we could be in it we could potentially be in a really powerful position along with tools such as DTIF now this is um I guess time back to division that we had in the harbour innovation campus so it's it's my work that we'll figure out how it's a how it works in the future but I guess the message is everything that I've just discussed and and and alluded to every organisation that wants to go on that wants to innovate has to go on a specific journey and there's only like having dealt with hundreds of multinationals moving to Ireland there's there's a new numerous tools or there's a finite amount of tools that each company needs um in order to kind of like expedite innovation first of all funding the whole idea is like if you're an Irish company if you're a startup if you're an SME if you're a spin-out if you're a spin-in where you're going to get the money um there's funding there available from IDA Enterprise Ireland Science Foundation and all the other um a lot of the other government agencies skills you need people to do the job um talents again from universities and college I have my fourth point there is collaboration and it is talking about that idea of open open collaboration co-creation co-innovation I have the disruptive technology innovation fund there it's it's no longer it's like if you want if you're an agricultural company and you want to understand that AI if you want to understand IoT etc etc you need to collaborate nobody can own this anymore professional services and then prototyping services again prototyping services was really or is important if you're an organisation you don't have to hire expensive technologists you want to be able to build a prototype and go like does it work does not work and what I have in the cost of hiring those people um there are some services around the country and I'm happy to talk about them if um if anybody wants now once you get to your prototype this is where Ireland is it becomes really interesting once you get to your prototype if you're multinational you have global um established organisations global tech um global connectivity you have your global networks you have your scale you have your capabilities to commercialise your network's supply chain so it's actually the journey from building a prototype to scaling it up and selling it off around the world is not that difficult for multinationals it's it's they have that bridge over the valley of debt but that's the start for Irish SMEs when you have your product or service it's like okay then the hard work begins then you fall off essentially the cliff I guess was what I would love to see and I think we're I believe we were reaching a place where where we can have this conversation it's how do we leverage the 1384 multi multi nationals in Ireland not just for funds but let's say how do we leverage their capabilities that's what station f and I've mentioned station f um a few times this morning but station s is the largest innovation campus in the world and what they it's in paris it was set up by Xavier Nell the guy that just bought um aircom actually or air and the idea is to bring that triple helix of innovation together bring government departments bring um academic institutes and bring enterprise together so that they can help leverage um their their SME SME um companies and the capabilities that exist there this can be done in multiple different ways I've been working on this and we'll see where we're as I say we we'll go with this but um there's an opportunity there and the reason why I think there's an opportunity right now is because we're reaching full employment when we reach full employment what does that mean for the country do we we need to come up with some new creative ideas in terms of not just attracting talent talent into the country but it's like how do we ensure that like we don't have an over dependence on the multinational um ecosystem in Ireland that we can grow our own companies so good just to finish up so we need I think we're doing a pretty good job I think we can do better to leverage our our tent in the world for innovation position our technological position as I say going over to Croatian a few weeks and the reason I'm going over is because they're afraid that they don't that if they don't change their attitude that they will be left behind and I think we have the right attitude in Ireland I think we can do more um focus on collaboration DTF is a good start I'd like to see the the the whole idea of a process for innovation not overly over over baron but a process for innovation looked at as well so we're good at kind of like it's like here you go here's some money for for creation your products and services but it would be good to kind of like actually give them training wheels or give them kind of like some guidance as well um and that's my point the process of innovation commercialisation and the tools again leveraging the ecosystem here scaling companies as I mentioned it's something that we do really really well why aren't we able to scale Irish companies um as as well as as the multinationals are able to lever itself and and then finally creating the environments to happen and that was that was the plan for um no ferry terminal in Dunleary so anybody wants to invest in a in a really spectacular piece of infrastructure that has a that has planning in place and is an opportunity there thank you very much