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This is a body part split body building routine and the bundle that's on sale is the bikini bundle, which is multiple programs put together. All of them 50% off. Just go to maps fitness products.com and use the code spring break for the discount. All right. Enjoy the podcast. When piercings in tattoos started to become kind of pop because for a while there, the only people who had tattoos were like bikers and like sailors and piercings were not a thing unless you were was at 90s. I would say. Yeah. And I had a guy this buddy I had and he was like, you know, he was kind of up and up and up with whatever school whatever. And so tattoos became a thing. So he got and then piercings became a thing, but this is before certain tattoos and certain piercings became stigmatized. Yeah, like, oh, this is what girls get. This is what guys get. Yeah. So he got a tattoo around his belly button. No. And he got a belly button piercing. Yes. Do I know your friend? It was in his son. Dang, we know the same guy. I remember a guy that had a son and then had his belly button pierced. Yeah. And I was just like, you know, what led to this decision? It was cool. I work with that dude. Are you sure? Are we all the same guy? We all know this guy. White guy? Casey? No, I don't want to say it. Thanks, Adam. Well, come on. There's a million cases out there. Not with a sudden tattoo. Is that who it is? Oh, wow. If it's the same guy, he lived with me for a while. I knew a guy that had a tribal tattoo in his lower back and it just shook my head. That's what I'm saying because it was before we realized or we thought, oh, this is what women get this, guys get this. It was just, oh, I'm going to get one. That sounds cool. But that one, you know, like it just seems like, okay, who's really going to benefit from this? The one in your low back. Yeah. Who are you displaying this for? Like, come on, guy. You didn't think about this? I mean, that was obvious. I have one of my upper back. That's different though. Okay. That's from when you give me shoulder rubs. All right. I do appreciate that. You have that there. If I have to go to work. I wonder if it's the same person. We worked together at Hillsdale. Of course it's the same. We all worked in the gyms, dude. Yeah, but you never worked with him, did you? I don't. I don't think I worked with him. He lived with me. So like, I, so we, of course he lived with me. And I don't feel, shut up, dude. Of course. I didn't know him very well. We were at, we were both managing that club. He did seem like a cool guy at first, you know what I'm saying? But I got no problem throwing him on the bus. Dude was doing coke in my house. Oh, is that guy? Yeah. Bro, you're calling him out so hard. Yeah, don't give a shit. I'm still angry, bro. He bounced on the last moment of rent. I had razor blade marks all over my window seal. Yeah, a little short straw. I didn't even know, dude. So that was like one of my... You just thought he was energetic? No. You know, so the way it all unfolded. Man, he's really good with his diet and he's always energetic. I don't understand. You just got to put a vacuum in front of him. Up at that point, okay, he was really my first experience with knowing somebody that was like a coke head. Like I'd been at parties and seen coke and been around coke, but not like this, not like in my house. Like he just does it before work. No, yeah. So we worked together. We carpooled every morning. And I used to trip out because I, you know, I've talked on the show before about like how often I get up and go to the restroom, right? So I'd get up in the middle of the night, this dude at like 3 o'clock in the morning. He's had one of those Costco lazy boy like fold out camping chairs. Yeah, okay. And he'd have it set up in the middle of the living room. You have the video game controller at 3.30, 4 o'clock in the morning. Just playing video games. Playing video games and then I'm up at 6 to start my day and stuff like that. We get in the car at 7.30 or like that, head off to work and every night and I'd be like, Dude, where does he get his energy? Now, yeah, knowing you and you're such a hard worker and all that stuff. Were you thinking to yourself like, God, I got to keep. Yes, yes. What's he doing? I got to be able to do this. I was competitive like that. And I was still so young that I was naive. I was naive to like what was really going on. And you know, looking back now, like all the signs, like it seemed obvious. Of course, I'm telling you that he was a coke head and then share this like, duh, Adam. But it's like, when you're 20 something years old and you're young, I can, some guys have more energy than other guys. Like this, I just figured this dude has got on another level where he would, you know, play video games all night, still get up at six and then grind at work. I was just impressed. You know, so. But it was, you know, it really gave it away. I started Google researching what really chronic bad breath came from. Because this dude used to get in my car. And when he, in the morning, right? So we just, we just, we just brushed our teeth. You know, I like, and I remember like. You guys brush your teeth together? No. That is a tiny little condo, dude. It's a tiny little. The way you said it sound like you guys in front of the mirror together. Well, no, but so this was consistently. The bottom. This was consistently happy. Listen, Linda, this was consistent. This was consistently happening so much that I would go like, watch him. Like, I wanted it like, dude, his breath is so bad. Like, is he not brushing his teeth right? So I'd like, bro, you are fucking this guy up on the fucking. This is halitosis. I don't care, dude. He fucked me, bro. He fucked me over. You've been waiting for years. Yeah. I'm gonna get him backwards. I'm not going to say his last name. You know what I'm saying? I think he just has a sun tattoo on his belly button. So I'm sure there's a million of those. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it is. Gully button pierced. Yeah, we're gonna narrow it down. Yeah, yeah, white guy. Back to the piercing conversation. I did have like, and I brought this up a long, long time ago on the podcast, but there was a guy that had three nipples, right? That I lived with for a while. I mentioned this and, you know, it's so it's, I honestly, I thought I'm like, wow, this guy was just like all open about it and was just ready to show you. Not only that, he pierced just that nipple. I mean, I just would dangle. So I would do that. I would like 100% do that. That is the move. Now, was it sensitive like the other nipples? Apparently, I mean, I didn't touch her or nothing. I just stayed away from that lie. But I was curious. You know what? All it always bothers me about any piercing is that I always think to myself like, if you get in a scuffle, that shit's coming out. It's ripping off. Yeah. Whether you have, cause I know you had hoops. 100% Adam, 100% you had hoops in your ears. You got long hair or earrings. I'm ripping them off. First of all, it's not plural. It's not plural. I didn't have two. I didn't have both my ears pierced. So I pierced my ears way. Anything that would supposedly get more girls. The side that you had. You're still straight, right? Yeah. It was like a definitive side. Hey, there was a time when a small hoop earring and a hemp necklace was fucking cool. There was a time. Okay. I ain't doing it still. Come on. But there was a time. I don't care if you're close to our age. Frat boys ruled the world. There was a time when that shit was cool. So absolutely I rocked it for the time. Maybe a little longer than I should have, but I caught the message. Hey, ladies, you had eyeliner on too? No, no, I didn't go that far. That was those emo kids. I was never like, I never did the all black, all black clothes, black eyeliner type. Well, I'll tell you what, dude, don't knock the eyeliner. Because for Halloween, when you're dressed up as a vampire. Chris Angel pulls it off. I'll tell you what, I dressed up as a vampire and I dyed my, remember when I dyed my hair? You are the most likely to wear eyeliner. Well, I mean, my eyes naturally, if you look in the camera, I can see it kind of looks like it anyway. But I had dark, I dyed my hair black, jet black, my beard jet black. And then I did the eyeliner thing, you know? And Jessica couldn't keep her hands off me. I was like, oh, really? Wow. I don't have to save this one. Yeah, see, I could see you doing that. So, yeah, so there was another guy which who had a certain, actually he had testicular cancer, right? And I've talked about this one before. One ball pat. One ball pat, right? So his move, his move was to get one of those bars that like go, you know, through the base of your, of your schlong. Wow. Prince Albert? Yeah, but it was like a bar that like was underneath your shaft. Underneath? Like right here, right? Part of his scrotum? The thing was it would like, you know, it would like rub up and down on the girl and it was like a thing, whatever. Andrew, you have to put a cock in Jessica. Well, I'm just saying, like a carrot or something is just not so obvious. But I'm just saying like that. I was just like, how do you not worry every time that it's going to rip off? Oh. Do you know what I mean? Yes. Like I just, these decisions. Yeah. And what happens when they, I mean, obviously there's some science there because what if you go in and you hit the wrong thing and the P comes out the side? You know what I mean? Yeah, there's that potential. Yeah, I don't know. That's going to be a bunch of great. Hey, speaking of crazy stuff. Crazy. I'm going to read some news headlines from Florida for you guys right now. That'll fit right in with the conversation. Bro, this is great. I found this website Florida Daily and it's a weird Florida news. So just, these are just headlines. I'm just going to read the headlines to you. Okay. The first one, Florida women's who reportedly stabbed her sister with an EpiPen said it was because she's allergic to drunks. So that's why she stabbed her sister. What? Yeah, here's another one. Florida man pleads guilty for using COVID loan for a Lamborghini. That's another one right there. Yeah, he feels real guilty. Man steals rings from one Florida girlfriend to propose to his other girlfriend. He's a romantic. One more, one more. Florida man on lawnmower hits cop car gets arrested for a DUI. There has to be like, what's the deal with Florida? Okay, that's got to be like a parked cop car and then drunk ass dude just ran into it, right? That's the only way that happens. Did you guys see that video where it was like this? It looked like spring break, but there was like a guy in the cop car and then everybody's gathered around and all of a sudden he somehow the door opens and he runs and he's like handcuffed and everything just runs away. Like what are you doing? Would you guys hear what happened in Florida right now, right? Because of spring break. They put a curfew on it, right? You know why? People were going nuts. It was like brawls and people not paying their bills at restaurants. I saw videos of people running after the eight and that getting chased down by waiters. A bunch of pent up like teenage like angst. Just going nuts over there. So they had to like crack down on it. So I thought that I thought the governor already came out and said Florida specifically said that we would not do any more covid lockdown shut down anything. Well, no, this is not for covid. I know people were acting crazy. Yeah, just breaking, managing chaos and stealing stuff. So did they get it? I mean, do they get it wrangled in or what would happen? I have no idea. Oh, you guys don't know what happened. I have no. Have you guys ever been to? Have you guys been to Florida? Have you been to Miami? Has there been a man not Miami? Yeah, I've been Miami once. Yeah, a lot of the guys that I played ball with like we're from there. And so yeah, I went one time on a spring break and it was pretty, pretty crazy. I was going to say because I didn't go on spring break, but I went in in a normal time or whatever and it looked it was insane. People lose their mind. Yeah, I couldn't imagine if what it would be like during spring. Could that not wait at him for the after the podcast? What are you doing right now? He's worried about how, you know, pretty he is. I mean, we have we have a caldera commercial anyways. I figured if I'm going to talk about it today, I better make sure it's for actually they can see the before and after. Look at this watch. Look at this glow. Look how nice that looks. It does. My skin always feels amazing after I do it. Yeah, look at that. Does it work on the beard too? Because I feel like some of that carries over. No, I don't use a beard oil because I just rub it all in that whether I'm supposed to or not. You know what? So here's a member. You guys remember that article I brought up about sperm counts dropping testosterone dropping penis sizes? Do you know shrinking? Yeah, remember that? Okay, so so there's a natural product right there. Caldera doesn't have those chemicals and shit that a lot of these lotions have that you rub on your skin to shrink your dick. That will not shrink your dick. I'm going to next time I talk to Caldera, I'm going to ask if they want to do a commercial like that. The face serum that won't shrink your dick, Caldera. Yeah, it's a great tag line. Nice skin. Dick the same. Yeah. Keep it. Keep it what it is. But I'm serious, it's all natural stuff. If you look at the ingredients, they're all natural oil. Yeah. It's not a bunch of crazy stuff. I love it. And so far we've got great feedback from our audience. So I have a weird transition from that topic that I came across. I think I tagged you guys or maybe I sent to the group thread. None of you responded. Maybe because it was a weekend and you guys weren't working. We're not ignoring you. Yeah. You guys are like that. I block you on the weekend. Justin, screw you. I text you all the time. Your shit ignores me all the time. I do it on purpose though to you. Fuck off. Are you really? Yeah, of course I do. What a dickhead. Because you never respond to mine or read anything I tell you to read. That's why. Oh my god. This is true. It is. Is it true? It's true. So it's intentional. So it's totally childish in me, but I do that. Justin is the best at shutting down, right? So once he's decided, I know he's, he makes, he makes, he obviously has. I did that from the very beginning though. It's not like personal. That's right. So I don't, I don't exactly. Be a man. Yeah. Be a man. Throw your phone away at night. Yeah. Don't talk about feelings. No, he does. So he does that well. Doug, I can always count out to count on being neurotic like me. It could be, it could be one o'clock on a Sunday night. I can send a text message to Doug and there's a 50-50 shot. He'll respond right back. He just doesn't want you, he doesn't want you to feel bad. That's why. He's like, God, nobody responded. So what did you put out there? Oh, so I sent, so I sent you guys this. I found, I saw it on, what's the, the, the carnivore doctor that is, Sean Baker. Yeah. On his page. He posted it, I think, just last week. Did you see this? I did. The, okay, it's a show in Australia, right? No, it's not Australia. Yeah, it's Australia. I did watch this video. No, it's the Netherlands. Oh, it is? Yeah. I thought it was Australia. No, I think it's the Netherlands. Maybe we can look it up. You know, you know. I did look at it. No, it's not Australia. It's somewhere not here, right? But watch it. It's not America. It's not America. Which I don't know though, it scares me that America's next to do some shit like this. They have this show and the, the idea is to normalize body types. And so their idea is bring out a bunch of, of people all ages from like 30 to looks like 70 years old men and women naked in front of an audience of nothing but children. Adults exposing themselves in front of children. And then the kids ask all these questions. So I did read about this. What the fuck? So I did read about this and what they wanted to do is they wanted to normalize different bodies. They want to, they said it's not sexualized. So what they do is they bring the bodies out and the kids can ask questions and it's old people, young people, men, women. Now here's the deal. I get, I totally get the sentiment. But here's what you don't do if you want to normalize nudity with kids. You don't put them on a show in an audience and then parade naked people in front of them and then say, look. Yeah. Because that doesn't happen in real life. Show and kids reaction. Exactly. It does not happen in real life. No. If you want, and I get this by the way, my family comes from Italy. When I went to Italy, especially Southern Italy, when I'd go there on vacation and I'd go to the beach, I was always like, oh my gosh, like women don't have tops on, old women don't have tops on, old guys wearing speedos. Like, but nobody said anything to me. It wasn't a big deal. You just go. Right. Just the way it is. And so it did, it did to me, normalize different bodies. But I couldn't imagine if I was a kid and they said, okay, here's what we're going to do. You're going to sit right here and we're going to walk adults out and they're going to disrobe in front of you. We're going to parade them in front of you. Totally. Totally. They're not accomplishing what they say that they're trying to accomplish. So that's why I call bullshit. I think they're just trying to get views because it's crazy. Well, Doug pulled the article up. That was a different article. What did it say? Is it still going or did it get shut down? I know there was a petition to try and shut it down. I don't think there was enough. Find out the country it's into because I believe the Netherlands is... It's a Danish show. Danish. Okay. They're very progressive when it comes to nudity, for sure. Nudity is not a big... Most countries are less prude. Which is ironic then. Them of all people need this. Like, to your point. The kids probably are more likely to see a nude beach there than they are here. Which, by the way, even here in the United States, you can all over California, you can find it. You can. There's probably more prudish here about nudity. For example, even women breastfeeding here can become a big deal. In other countries, it's like whatever. I get all that. I think nudity is not a big deal unless it's sexualized or unless it's paraded and treated like entertainment. This is totally... This is not what they say that they're trying to do. It's a wrong message. Yeah, come on dude. You can put a bunch of kids in the audience. Imagine if you're one of those kids like, Yeah, I'm on a TV show. Weird. Yeah, here's a dick. I just thought it was weird. Such a weird way to normalize it. I feel like that's the responsibility of the parents. Like if you feel the need to do that, like again, like you, Sal, I get the sentiment. Well, here's the real question I have. Okay, forget the kids for a second, although that's the most important thing. Who are these adults? Yeah, they want to do that. Yeah, hey, we're going to have you sign up for this show and you're going to walk in front of kids. You're backstage like, yeah, here we go. Yeah, I can't wait to teach kids about bodies. What the hell? What is going on? Yeah. No, the way you do it with kids is you just make it not a big deal. That's all. You just make it not a big deal. Not that you go and make a big deal about it. Yeah, one of the guys just like starts doing puppets. Yeah. Like come on, guys, on that kind of show. Yeah, I'm in the wrong place. I do want to see the questions the kids ask though, right? Yeah. How come that old guy's balls are so low? So, you know, that's why it'll get, it's going to get views because there's a part of me that I'm like, what are these kids asking these guys? You know, what are they promoting? What are they getting them to ask them? And that part of me is wants to tune in and watch it for that exact reason because I want to know what exactly they're teaching these kids right now. So I don't know. Weird. I saw it. I thought I couldn't believe it at first. Crazy stuff. All right. Here's some more cool stuff. So this is how you know shit's crazy in the world's nuts because news like this comes out and it's not the front page of everything. It's not the front page of everything. In fact, when I bring this up, you guys probably be like, huh? I didn't even know that. So trip off this, right? So UFOs is becoming a huge thing. Oh, here we go. No, this is a big deal. Former high level officials and scientists with deep black experience who have always remained in the shadows now just came forward on one platform saying, oh yeah, UFOs are the real deal. This just came out. Mark Rubio, the politician said, yeah, there's UFOs flying. This is his quote. There are UFOs flying over U.S. military bases and the government has no clue what they are. So they're literally coming out and the government saying officially. We're so exhausted from 2020 that nobody is a shit. It's like, it's so unfortunate. Like, dude, why did this come out like 10 years ago? And we were like super hyped, you know, about UFOs and aliens. Maybe that was the plan. I haven't stopped thinking about your guys' theory. Like, you might have got me to cross over to your conspiracy side. Trying to fix our future people, man. Fix our fertility. Yes. Well, all right. Yeah, but here's the other thing. If they have interstellar and time travel, you can't fix fertility. Come on. Yeah. Kind of technology. Not if by the time they're aware of it, they've already evolved to it. I don't know, man. I think that was a very interesting idea. But maybe this is part of the plan. Maybe this whole time, they're like, we need to tell the world that these exist at some point because the aliens are going to, they're going to show the world that they're here and we're trying to figure out the right way to tell them. So it's like when you're telling your kids like bad news, like when do we tell the kids that, you know, that grandma so-and-so is going to die. How about when we tell them we're going to Disneyland? Like you're trying to balance it out. So maybe this is like, everything's so crazy. Like now's the time. Nobody's going to freak out. Remember when the first, I don't know if it was the rover or whatever went to Mars and then they came back and then they actually found traces of like bacteria. So it was like proof that there was life, but then they dismissed it right away because it was like, oh, well, you know, there's no DNA that they found through this type of bacteria. But now they're finding all kinds of like ways to find DNA in little organisms back here. Have they reconciled that yet? Oh, I don't know. I don't know that. Well, riddle me this, Justin. Why are they, why are the UFOs hovering over military bases and not going over like Disneyland? Disneyland isn't open, dude. Actually, I think Disney World is open. Disneyland's open now? Is it Disneyland open? Only Californians can go and I believe they have limited capacity. Oh, really? Yeah. Are you going to take your place? They're worried about like nuclear war and stuff, right? They always come up when there's like a lot of friction in the world. You think so? This is what the UFOlogists say. Is that a real title? It is. Is that really a real title? Do you look it up? Yeah, UFOlogists. They've made their own, yeah. Can you go to school for that? I don't think so. School of like knowing everything. Yeah. Like the School of Insider Information. Yeah. Yeah. Adam has no idea. I don't. Amateur. I'm in the sand. Hey, so are you going to take your son to Disneyland soon or what? No, not soon. You know, it's fun, dude, with little kids. It's still a little early, you know what I'm saying? Like he's not even like talking yet. You know what I'm saying? He says like one word, two words, twice. Like that's it. Like he doesn't, he's not at a place where, like, he's barely at where I can throw him up in the air and that makes him giggle and laugh a little bit. Like we're not at the place where he'll remember that. This is just like Space Mountain. Yeah. Eventually I will. I mean, absolutely. I can't wait to take him to that. I'll wait probably. Probably, I don't know. Four, I would think. I don't know. What do you guys think? You guys are parents? Three, four. Yeah. I was going to say. Yeah, wait a little bit. He's barely going to turn two, right? He turns two in July and it just seems like. At least so he can remember it. That was sort of my standard. That's right. So that's why I feel like I feel like it needs to be at least an age where it's memorable for him. And two, three, I don't know. Four or five is where I think is probably. I get antsy. I want to go to Disneyland a little later. I know. I love going, though. That's the thing. Especially with the kids. That's where she wanted to go for her 30th birthday. So she loves Disneyland. My family loves it. It's been closed down for a while. So maybe we'll have this excuse. Katrina and I had a blast the last time that we went. So maybe. Speaking of Disneyland, like so in Shanghai, I think. So they have a Disneyland there, but basically the. What's it called? The Pirates of the Caribbean. So the ride there is completely different than the one that we have here. Why? They've added so much to it. It's like, it's pretty. Like, I guess you can go on YouTube and you can do these kind of virtual tours where you actually somebody does like a 360 view of it and everything, but they have all these crazy graphics and stuff. They have like a whole scene where they have a war with all this with ships, like shooting cannonballs at each other. And then the boat itself actually moves sideways and it does a lot more things. It's kind of crazy. Disneyland's fun with kids. I mean, without kids, I'm like, whatever. But with kids, my daughter was such a fanatic when she still is when she was little that it was fun watching her try to just stay up the whole time. Like we're, I see her just, she's dying. She's tired. She's walking all day. Like, all right, you ready to go back? No, I want to see the fireworks. I'm like, the fireworks going to happen in like four hours tonight. You sure you don't want to leave? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just pump them full candy. Yeah. And then leading up to Disneyland, it's a very powerful obedience tool. Are you sure you want to do that? Yeah. Speaking of the candy thing, we just, I just had the candy battle with the family right now, right? So Easter is here. Right? So my mom, we're on this group, like this group thread. Cadbury eggs. And my mom was like, okay, so. I'll only eat the whites. The rest of that. What can I put in, what can I put in Max's basket, Easter basket? And I said like, no. Real eggs. I put toys, stuffed animal, coloring books. Money. Yeah. Money. All that stuff. My mom was like, well, what about like, you know, chocolate covered raisins? Can I get, I said, no. No chocolate. No sweets. No candy. No other stuff. So we went back and forth and everybody like, I can't believe. And you know, I eventually ended up getting like really irritated. And if this part, it was probably too far on my part, but I was just like, listen, I'll be the one, the first person to introduce sugar to my child. I said, my entire family, okay, including myself has the sugar addiction. My sister was hyperglycemic. Eyes to this day still battle with it. My mom is borderline diabetic. We've been addicted to sugar because you allowed us to have fucking cake for breakfast. You know what I'm saying? And fruity pebbles, you know, for dinner. Like that's, we ate that way my entire life. And because of that, it has been a lifelong struggle for me to get rid of it. It's so, it is, it is absolutely difficult still to this day, even with my experience, my knowledge of knowing about it. I still struggle with that. I've got ice cream in my freezer right now. It's such a hard thing for me. And I've been with people that have been raised differently, that were their family raised them on whole foods. And then sugar and candy and things like that was introduced later in their life. And they have a total different relationship with it. They don't desire it the same way that I desire it. It's not the same thing because when they got it introduced to them, they had already had fruits and vegetables and whole foods for so long that the sugar that you get in candy was so overpowering that a lot of times they wouldn't even finish it. They give them a cookie and they don't want to finish it. Now when you eat candy and stuff now, do you hide from your son? Or are you like, you can't see this? I don't eat candy. Yeah, I don't eat candy. I don't eat candy. I don't eat candy. If you've ever seen me eat candy, that's the only time you've ever seen me eat candy. And it's normally because you pick it up from a grocery store. Well, me? Yeah. What just happened? Wait, no seriously. You tell us again. Hey Justin, who is out of... Don't take a fucking side for once. Take a fucking side. I don't care what side you take a side. When we fly somewhere, and if you don't duck, I'm going to make you speak up right now. Who is most likely to buy candy? Sal. Thank you. Hold on a second. Yes. That's only ever, but you tell stories all the time. Yeah, but I tell stories times of when I used to eat candy like crazy. I don't eat candy like that at all. So you don't have candy? Ever. So ice cream, do you hide? Your ice cream, he's candy. Yeah, if I were to have something, it's ice cream. But if you do, do you hide it? Or do you let him see you? No, I eat it. If I eat ice cream, it's at eight o'clock at night watching a TV show. So he goes to bed. Yeah, he's in bed by seven. He goes to bed, you're bringing out the ice cream. I want to make it clear to the audience. Hey, if he finds that shit one day, it's like he found your weed. Huh? No, it just reuses? Yeah, you remember that commercial, the weed commercial? Yeah. Tell me where you found this and the kid's like, I learned it from watching you. Yeah, yeah. It could be your kid. No, like, hey, I absolutely think about stuff like that. Well, first of all, I've been talking about the ice cream thing because it's literally like in my refrigerator right, or freezer right now. It wasn't, you know, for the last five months or whatever. So it rarely makes its way in. But again, here's where I struggle and we talk about this. By the way, I only get organic candy. I can't believe you're going to deny that right now. I was like, this guy gets the candy. No, no, no, no, when we're organic, it's rare when we go anywhere. It is. And if I do, I'll grab something, share it with everyone. Yeah, by no means. Everybody has a piece of the candy. I don't need it by myself. See what you did? I know. I can't believe you were... Everybody's getting defa... I think Doug is here. But I hear stories. You tell stories. Yeah, no. Oh, there was a time, there was in my 20s, as a personal trainer, where I ate candy every night. I mean, I, every night, always you could count on there being candy in my house or in my car. According to Jim Stapani, your recovery must be amazing. Yeah, I know. Candy post-workout. I think that's why I get so passionate about these dumbass people like Jim Stapani to give advice like that because I know what it's like to be a kid who struggled with that and to not be aware that you struggled with it. Justifying it because I was skinny trying to build muscle. So why not? Why can't I pile all this candy on? And then later on, as I become a fucking grown-ass man and weight does come on different now, now it's a battle. And even like, even when I have like ice cream, right? So I have ice cream in the freezer. You know how hard it is for me to not just pound the whole thing? Like it is so hard for me to do, like Katrina has this ability, she doesn't have any issue like this. She can have a little tiny little scoop, you know, and eat it and be satisfied and done. I do not have that. Yeah, I have foods like that or like that for me and it's chips. If it's candy or whatever, that's fine. I'll have a little bit. But if we have potato chips, gone. They're gone. I'll literally eat them and while I'm eating them, I'm looking at Jessica and I'm going, why? Yeah, help me. Well, and so this is, so I get really upset like with the family if they wanted, you know, because Max, like dude, Max eats everything. He eats, he loves vegetables. He loves all fruits. He eats all whole food. Like he eats so good. And I love that. It's like, why would I introduce that to him? When he give him, you want to see him light up and get excited, give him a strawberry. You want to see him get all, he'll eat like that and be all happy. Yeah, you don't blow his mind. Especially now where you can still like control. Yes. But I totally, this was a battle I've had with my parents the whole way through. It's not going to stop, you know, like they're going to keep pushing it because it's, again, this is one of the things that in their mind, they think it's a way that they're showing love and they're like giving them like this, like cool experience that you're not getting at home. So we have like an advantage because we're grandparents and we can just like spoil them. So this is a conversation Katrina had to have with her brother. So her brother, who you guys know, Andy, right? Who has done a lot of stuff with us. He, that's kind of his MO. Like he's the, he's a much older brother. Like he's in his fifties and all the kids, all the nieces and nephews, he's been the candy man. He has a candy addiction himself and they all know to come to him and like that's how he's built relationships that and it's been a real struggle for him because what I love about him and why I love my brother is that he, he respects that. He knows how passionate I am about not doing that. But he always comes to Katrina like, hey, am I ever going to be able to give Max candy? And Katrina's like, listen brother, like you just got to work on building a relationship with him without it. You don't need to use candy to build a relationship with my son. I'm giving him money. I'm serious. Yeah, no. I'm excited to give him a dollar. Yeah, you know, I just, there's other ways to do that. And here's the thing too for the audience that think I'm going to be like this Nazi with my kid. Like, no, like when he can ask for it and we can have a conversation about it. Then you can say no. Yes. And then, yeah. Set me up right there. He's like, yes, wait, this is what I've been doing the whole time. Yeah. You know, I bet we can talk about it. You know what I'm saying? And then I can also teach him delayed gratification. Like, okay son, you can have candy, or you can have this much candy later on and I can do things like that with him. You got to earn it too. You know, it's something that they can look forward to and it's a treat. It's not like, like growing up for me was dessert was an expectation. Like you eat a meal, then you have dessert. You know, that's ridiculous. Yeah. Why? Like we built our whole meals around like having to have dessert. And so it's like, if I didn't have it, I was just like, where's my dessert? We ate like that. We had a dinner and then we always had a dessert and then dessert also became breakfast the next day. Like that's exactly how I ate my entire childhood. My entire childhood was like dinner. You had a dessert. And by the way, dinners were rarely like quote unquote healthy. You know, it was like fried chicken, mashed potatoes and you know, cheese on broccoli. Oh, that sounds good. Right? And then my mom, and my mom could bake her ass off. My mom baked incredible. So you'd be cookies or cake or something. And then you eat it for dinner with no, by the way, no regulations whatsoever. I could have the biggest slice I want or go back three times. And then the next morning you finish it off and you do it because you have four siblings in the house. Yeah, you're fighting over it. I'm like, oh, there's less than half a cake left. If I don't go get it for breakfast, I won't be able to have it for later on. So you create that environment there. And that's how we were with cookies, with candy, with ice cream, with everything. Dude, think of the bullshit we were told as kids too of what you needed to eat for breakfast for energy for the day. Remember this? When he's like, oh, I got a big test. Better eat a stack of pancakes with syrup. Yeah. You know, halfway through the test, you're like, oh. That happened to me so many times. I think, why am I not energetic? I had a bunch of pancakes. And honestly, pancakes are just glorified fucking cake. It's the same recipe. It's in the name. Pancakes. It's the same recipe. It's a conspiracy. Syrup is icing. Yeah. It's exactly true. It's no different. It's exactly that. But I remember that's what we were told. Like, oh, no, you need to have a balanced breakfast, which included pancakes, a glass of orange juice. Oh, we'd have some milk. So there you go. Have a little bit of milk. And so growing up, a healthy breakfast was that. It was a stack of pancakes, bacon, and orange juice. That would be healthy if we weren't eating dessert. Yeah. For breakfast. So it's like, that's crazy. I love all those sugar syrup commercials. Well, balanced breakfast. They have like one apple next to like shitty cereal. Throwing an apple. It's balanced. Yeah. Speaking of cereal, did you guys hear about the guy that found the shrimp tails in his cinnamon toast crunch? Yeah. Okay. He thought, he did, or he really did? So he posted. It was a cinnamon toast crunch. Yeah. And he posted a video of it and it looked like a bunch of shrimp tails. Yeah. Cinnamon toast crunch responded and said, no, that's just a bunch of clumped up sugar. And then he collected sugar. Yeah. That looks like it. Almost as bad. Yeah. This cereal has so much fucking sugar. Yeah. It's crystallized into shrimp-like form. Yeah. You know the planets formed in the solar system? Similar. Like so much sugar that the gravity pulls them together. And now we have. It evolved and then it walked out of your bowl. Yeah. Now, when you guys see stuff like that, a lot of times I think that that's a ploy by like cinnamon toast crunch, right? For publicity. Just to get attention. Yeah. I always think that there's like, okay. These days I do. How did he get all that attention? He was wrong. How did that hit the news all the time? I feel like that somebody smart, advertising is getting that way now. Okay. So back in the day, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there somebody that was claiming they had like a human finger in one of their burgers? Yes. That was Wendy's. Wendy's. I can't, that was real. That was real. Yeah. That was not a ploy. That hurt Wendy's. That really happened? And that hurt Wendy's big time. Yeah. Because if you're going to do a ploy, you got to be smart about it. Yeah. Extra sugar in your cereal is a good ploy. A dead finger. It was a disgruntled employee if I remember correctly. Maybe Doug can look it up. They cut off their own finger? It was a disgruntled, no, no, no. I don't think so. I don't know where this finger came from. That's the most important question. Yeah. Is where the fuck did the finger come from? Where? Yeah. Look up finger in Wendy's. I believe it was in Chili. I think it was in a bowl. Oh. It was in the bowl of Chili. You're right. I think it was in a bowl of Chili. That's right. It was a disgruntled employee. I think. It was actually in San Jose. Oh, it was here? It was here. Yes, it was here. Yeah. Planting is severed finger, so she planted it. In a bowl of Chili. Oh, she planted it. Yeah, but whose finger was it? I know. Oh. So this was a ploy for her to sue Wendy's. They call her the Chili Finger Lady. Like, did she go down? So I do remember. By the way, don't look up Chili Finger. I'm pretty sure that's something else. Oh. I do remember when this happened in San Jose because at that, this is a time in my life when I was still, you know, eating fast food every now and then. And I remember going like, I'll never go to Wendy's ever again. That went back far. That's not a good thing. Hey, what happened? Why don't you go out with her again? She got that Chili Finger. She got that Chili Finger. I'm not down with it. Really creep me out. Hey, I tried something yesterday. What did you try? You ever hear a Chili Finger? Yeah. Don't tell me. I don't want to hear all of it. The person bite into it? Did they like scoop it in their mouth? No. She planted it. What did you like? They like, it's like sticking out the top. No, she planted in there with probably the intention to sue Wendy's over it. And I think the, if I remember the story, somebody was disgruntled. So then I'm assuming she was upset about something and that was her way of probably getting back and trying to get back at Wendy's, which I, you know, it did work. I don't know how much trouble she got in for doing that shit, but it did work because I know Wendy's lost a lot of business. Maybe she worked for Burger King. That would be like a crazy conspiracy. We're going to put him out of business. Fast food wars. Lot thickens. You know what I'm saying? Man, cinemas, back to the Cinnamon Toast Crunch though, that was Diabetes back in the day. If you really think about it, do you guys remember eating that? Yeah. It was one of my favorites. It was, they weren't even pretending to be. It was TC. It was really heavy, dude. Wasn't it Cinnamon Toast Crunch that you broke up with a girl over? Oh, no, that was Frosted Flakes. Oh, it was Frosted Flakes. So I got the story wrong. It could have been. Frosted Flakes was the healthy, that was the healthy Cirque Sugar series. I got Justin's story wrong. I got yours right, but I got Justin's memory. Oh, yeah. What's it called? Dude, the majority of people didn't get mine. She showed me the stats and that one that I had on there that was false. Most people didn't get it. Well, it was good. You did a good job because the thing that was wrong was believable because you played in a band and so it's like Justin loves music. There's a very good chance that... Yeah, I said I partied with the lead singer from Smash Mouth. Right. Which is not a real thing. That's a real thing? No. That was a lie. That was the one lie, yeah. But then he had things like I broke up with a girl over soggy cereal. Yeah. I was like being arrested and all these other things and I'm just like, then I had to explain that and I'm like, oh great. You had to tell everybody why you got arrested? Yeah. I'm like, I don't want to explain that. It's nothing crazy. He's the original. He's the original chili finger. Yeah, chili finger to get out in time. Wow. Hey, today is Doug's day in the life. How are you doing over there, Doug? Pretty good. Tried to post some video though, but it won't go up for some reason. I think Doug's tech, what's the word on it? Cursed. Yeah. That's what I think. I think technology is a piece of cake. Every time something gets wrong. I am cursed. This video this morning is so pissed off because I can't post these videos. I didn't even think it was you doing it. It looked like your girlfriend laid your clothes out this morning. Was she the one that dresses you every morning? No. I did it myself. That is yourself. So his Biori outfit was on? Yeah. Did you see it? Are you not watching his story? I watch your guys' day in the life. I do later. I actually enjoy that. I know Doug doesn't like doing it right now, but I think that the audience enjoys it. It gets more views than almost anything else. I don't pay attention to your guys' normal story, but when you guys do your day in the life, I do pay attention to that. I see the appeal. You can get an insight on how people do their thing and they want to see more of what you're doing outside. It goes so against my nature. I know. Here's what I'm doing all the time. None of us are good at it. There's such a thing as being good at it, though. It's really not. You know what's so funny? There's people that really get into it and they do it all day long. They're fake, brother. I know. There's going to come a time when, and that's coming soon, by the way. More and more people are becoming privy to how fake social media is and how much everybody puts out the best version themselves. And now there's fake authentic, right? People that are, Oh, look at me with my period today. Look at me crying. That's not real either, you know what I'm saying? And I think more and more people are going to start to realize that. And so, believe it or not, what you think you suck at, people will respect and appreciate. The ones you just said, Justin, the most annoying ones to me, the people where they post a picture of themselves crying. Why? Oh, I had a terrier. This is me right now. I'm not alone. Yeah. If you're that sad that you're crying and then you have the wherewithal to stop and take a picture of yourself. Wouldn't that really hit me? So I had our first day in the life for our audience that doesn't know this. I mean, obviously some people put it together. The first time we had to do, so we decided to launch this thing where everybody, each one of us is going to do a day in the life every Wednesday on our thing, right? And I'm the first one to go. I commit to it. Well, fucking Bentley died the night before, dude. Oh, yeah. I was fucked up. Yeah. And I remember going like, oh, what am I going to do? Am I going to cancel and not do this? I can't. We just started this. Okay, I'm going to do it, but I don't feel like talking to the camera. Yeah, and inside, I cried and all sort of that. And I remember thinking at one point, I'm like, wow, you know, people feel like this supposedly, and they go, let me grab my phone and video myself so I can show my audience that I, too, cry. And I'm like, that didn't ever... Not even a second that crossed your mind. Not even a second that I want to do that. What I really want to do was just curl up. And not because I'm afraid to let people know that I cry, or afraid to let people know that I, too, hurt. It's just that I'm mourning. And I don't need to announce it to the whole world that it... It's a very personal thing. It's a very personal thing. Look, I understand crying in front of people you're close to. You know, the people that care about you that are there for you. But your social media, what it screams to me is that you don't have close relationships. And that's the closest relationship you have is to this audience that is, who are these people? Yeah, okay, I understand. And there's a difference here. Let's pretend we're having a conversation. And all of a sudden, you guys take it to a left turn and we get like really deep about maybe my childhood and you're asking me about my dad's suicide. And I all of a sudden, like it gets me choked up and I start crying, right? Like there's a difference of a conversation moving in a direction like that, showing vulnerability and being yourself and authentic. There's a different side of you where you are supposedly crying or... I feel something happening. Yes, let me grab my phone, get into my Instagram account, go to my story, video me and then cry. To me, that is not authentic. No, it's almost like... If I'm in that state of mind, I wouldn't even think to grab my phone until after. Maybe I'm done crying. Afterwards, if I'm one of those people, I would think, oh man, I should have captured that. Let's bring on the tears again, pull out my phone and take a picture. I know, I had a very similar experience to that when we had Paul Check for one of the first times and he came into the studio and my dog got hit by a car and died and was going through that. And then I was just like, oh my God, what do I do? Do I rush home right now? And I was like, I just have to like... Right now, I have to focus and try to be the best person I can be right now and contribute and then at home, I'm gonna just, you know, mourn and I'm gonna face this. So it's just, I don't know. And I think people deal with things obviously in a different way and that's totally fair but like to portray, that's not why. Why it is is because it feeds in the views and likes because everybody watching, okay, whatever they claim their reasoning behind it. It's also trying to pretend to be authentic. We are attracted to drama. It's the reason why like, you know, the Ricky Lakes, Mari Povich's, those shows get so much views and attention is because everybody secretly loves to watch a train wreck. It makes them feel better about their lives. Right, yeah. And so it draws the likes, it draws the views which then drives the social media star. The person who is trying to get more views, trying to get more likes, trying to get more attention sees that, wow, when I cry on Instagram or I tell these people about my drama in my life and I claim I'm being authentic and real, I get more views and more attention. It's just a cycle. It's just manufacturing. And by the way, this is nothing new. What's that old saying? I don't remember who said this. It was like an old marketing saying which was something like donate $10,000 to a clause but then spend $100,000 letting everybody know that you donated $10,000. Totally. It's all that portraying that image and showing people. A massive virtue signal. Massive. It's a very big one and it does make me sad when it's actually quite annoying. I see it and I'm like, come on, man. It's a part of the pendulum swinging, right? This is so new that we are able to peer into it. They're not going to age well. That's all I can say. Those posts are going to look so new. That's right. It's not going to age well. It's going to be ridiculous. I brought up the period thing. That's like a movement that's been going. Yeah, you had your period in your clothes and you're showing it. I mean, take a picture. Look at me, I'm normal. We're on the toilet. I'm pooping. I've seen posts like that too. I know. Like what the hell? The only people I send pictures on my poop too are my friends. Never post that. Yeah. I'll do that one. It's really impressive though. You've got to wait for those ones. For some reason, there's this idea that the people that are not sharing that are not authentic and I just don't believe that. I don't believe that. It's authentic to not show the world that kind of stuff. I don't understand that. That's not meaning you're shying away from talking about it. It's not like I'm trying to deny that I don't poop or I don't cry or I don't do those things. I'm very open about that. If you want to ask me about it. Sometimes at the same time you poop and cry. Those ones are the worst. Yeah. This happens just a little bit. It really hurts. Hey, I hope you're enjoying the podcast. One thing real quick before we get to the questions, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out our free fitness guides. We have guides that can help you do everything from burn body fat to build muscle, improving your squat strength or your bench strength. We even have guides for personal trainers. Go head over again to mindpumpfree.com and download the guides. They cost nothing. All right. Enjoy the rest of the podcast. Our first caller is Dwayne from Vietnam. Hey, Dwayne, how can we help you? Hi, yeah. First of all, I just want to say thank you to the guys that accepted me on this little questionnaire and you guys do a brilliant job. I love listening to you and all your information that you put out there. My question today is, so I've only just recently started working out probably about a year, but I mainly did cardio, a bit of hit and cardio here and there, body weight training, and I've only just started experimenting with barbell training, maybe in the last three months or so. I also just recently started tracking food because I had a really bad relationship with food in my body. I was just eating anything and then nothing at all. So tracking calories is making me identify how much I should be eating and also gain muscle. We'll also use your track on your website to identify how much I'm nutrient to how many nutrients I should be consuming. I've linked my fitness pal to Google Fit. So it calculates how much I walk. I surf every week. I do mountain climbing. I also do long walks. So I should be consuming according to the calculates about 2,000 calories a day, but if I do my activity that comes to, it says Google Fit tells me that I should or that I've burned 800 plus calories. So my question is, should I be consuming 2,500 plus the 800 calories that I've burned or should I just stick to 2,500 because I don't feel like there's numbers of rides. I feel like I'm putting on a little bit more fat than I should be. The scales are not really moving in my favor, so I'm a bit a little bit confused and I wanted your guys opinion on that. Dwayne, how big are you? What's your size? I'm fairly light. I'm 5'7". I used to be 72 kilos. I'm now 61.5. And have you been like all the exercise that you've been doing, the activities that you've been doing? Have you been consistently doing that for quite some time? Yes. I've walked about 12,000 steps for at least about a year now and I've recently started taking up dancing, mountain climbing and surfing in the last month or so. So I've just added on to that. That's a lot of activity for only 2,500 calories. Or is it? Oh, yeah. No, I mean, even though your size, okay, so you're not over 200 pounds, 2,500 calories for someone who is doing 12,000 plus steps a day plus all the activity that you're doing is a lot in the first place. But you said you feel like you're putting on body fat by just eating 2,500 calories? Yeah, that's what I don't understand. I feel like my lower belly has gained a little bit more body fat than it used to. And then what does the strength training look like right now? I'm doing it five days a week. Just this compound lifts really. I'm new to it, so I'm doing my chest two days, legs two days, and one day I do four. So five days a week. So I would run something more similar to MAPS anabolic, where you're doing strength training only two or three times a week. And all the stuff that you're doing, is it something that you don't want to stop doing because you love hiking and going outdoors and doing all this stuff, or are you open to scaling some of that back and putting more focus and energy towards the strength? I'm okay just scaling back, to be quite honest, because I'm surely tired. I think the lack of sleep as well is really helping me in any way. So I have a few more questions for you, Dwayne. You said you had a bad relationship with food. What did that look like? Were you somebody that was really skinny so your relationship with food was to eat more to try and bulk up, or were you someone that was worried about having too much body fat so you were restricting? I was really skinny fat, to be honest. I had a beer belly and stuff. I was a really thin guy overall but I had a beer belly and I just gave up at one point and I was like, I just ate everything and I just gained more and more fat. About a year ago I decided I wanted to just completely shred that fat so then I just cut down my calories massively and I ate the same thing for about six months it was oats in the morning and then boiled chicken and eggs and that's it. That's what I knew, I thought that was the way to go forward. The last six months has been a complete change where I'm starting to learn nutrition and I can't do that to myself. How do you feel tracking calories and adding things up and adding up steps right now? You know all these numbers so it sounds like you're pretty meticulous. Is that making you feel better or is it adding a little stress to your life? No, I absolutely love it. I can sit the whole day and do it because I learned so much in terms of what Kiwi food has and stuff like that. It's one of my passions so it's something that I really enjoy. There's nothing wrong with informing yourself with what food has and how many grams of protein you need and carbohydrates and fats and that kind of stuff but here's what I'm hearing from you. I feel like you're just taking the obsession to a different level which might be healthier than it was before but I don't think meticulous tracking is a good idea. In fact, what I would recommend if you were my client if you were my client I would move you away from tracking and I would have you completely pay attention to performance. Strength, are you getting stronger and how do you feel? You mentioned earlier that you're really fatigued and tired so that would be a sign that you're either not eating enough or you're exercising too much and not giving yourself ample time to recover. I would look at strength and health. Obedo, mood, skin, digestion and I would stop placing focus on all these numbers aside from your strength because the relationship you have with food if it was bad before getting into the numbers and obsessing over them can actually make it just as bad. It might feel better because the foods you're eating might be a little more balanced but when I hear from you that you ate the same thing every day for six months that makes me say okay I'm going to go back from counting calories counting macros counting steps maybe go live your life a little bit enjoy your workouts and pay attention like I said am I stronger, can I deadlift more can I bench press more do I feel more energetic and rather than using the numbers metrics use those metrics focus on those things. Have you ever done a straight one to five rep range kind of straight set and saw where that took you? Yes I've recently started tracking in terms of how much I'm lifting as well and if I gradually increase every week and again it's only been the last month or so but I do see a gradual increase in terms of the reps and the sets I'm doing Right, in terms of the exercise Yeah, in terms of the rest in between I'm just wondering because I know a lot of times I've had clients who've done the compound lifts but haven't really applied enough of that rest period to really focus on the strength portion of it and not trying to get through the workouts So if I'm doing about 10 reps I normally take about a minute and a half to about two minutes of a break and then start again or do the remaining of the sets that I need to do that's the normal kind of gap I have in between That's not bad, I think that's okay and I think Sal has got the best advice with the moving away from tracking so much but I do want to address the fact that you've done that I do like that because it brings awareness to where you're kind of at and when you told the rest of the story to Sal it makes, I'll make sense to you for why this is happening So why do you feel like 2500 calories and you're putting on body fat well, because you ate oats and eggs and boiled chicken for six months probably a thousand calories right there at most and then with all the activity that you were doing sure you probably lost some weight doing that but you also trained your metabolism to slow down so your metabolism adapted to that calorie intake of a thousand calories with 12,000 plus steps a day and so anything above you know 1500 calories probably does feel like it's putting body fat on you so that's so we can address that's the reason why you feel that way but then I would also agree with Sal that let's not get hung up so much on that's an issue and start cutting the calories and go way back down let's start going off of how you feel and and pulling back on the five days of training your body type where you're at what you're trying to accomplish again maps in a block I think it would be if you don't have maps in a block we'll send that over to you own it or no No I've just got the no BS ads I just recently purchased it last week and I've got Sal's nutrition guides I really want to read okay so we're going to send maps anabolic over to you I want you to follow that I actually want you to start with just two days a week start with two days a week full body routine follow the program as it's written and it's laid out scale back on some of the the crazy amount of activity that you're doing outdoors and stuff like that as far as you don't need to go you don't need to go drastic I don't want you to sit on the couch and be lazy from that I mean enjoy your life just do activity that you enjoy so recuperative don't be don't be active for exercise be active for things you enjoy there's nothing wrong with that but I think what we're trying to do is move you away from a mentality and a mindset that's going to lead you down the wrong path so you know you got your so here's the thing for the next three months just focus on getting stronger and then and then as far as activity is concerned just do do stuff you enjoy don't worry about tracking your steps and am I walking enough am I swimming enough you just do stuff that you enjoy and have fun but focus on getting stronger for the next few months after the next few months then go ahead and see you know what your body fat percentages see how you weigh and all that stuff and I bet you'll be pleasantly surprised especially if you take the advice and sound that you grab the intuitive guy so when you read that that's exactly yeah the angle that sal's going right so it's going to move you away from weighing and measuring and tracking your food and starting to learn to just kind of listen to your body eat when you're hungry feed yourself correctly and pay attention to the signals that make your body feel good so read that and follow that as your guideline for nutrition and then stick to about a two to three day week strain training okay so would you recommend that I immediately start doing the intuitive guides or like just yeah the intuitive guide yeah the intuitive guide is going to go into more depth with essentially what I'm talking about but really focus on strength make that your goal because here's the deal okay and I you know I like I said I've worked with a lot of people and you're it sounds like you are you know you'll set yourself with a goal and you'll be very focused on it so we can't just take your your focus off of one thing and then not let it go anywhere else because it's going to find something so take your focus and place it squarely on strength I want to get stronger in the next three months I want to be able to deadlift this much I want to be able to squat this much I want to be able to bench this much focus on that then the intuitive guide will help you with the nutrition part okay Patrick thank you guys no problem no problem yeah it's you know for most people getting them to figure out calories and macros and is a great step for some people it's the wrong direction it just puts you in the wrong direction some people you kind of got a rain back a little bit like he seems like you know somebody that's going to pursue a goal in and do it you know down to the to the last like dotted line and you know it's very focused and so like a lot of times it just needs somebody else an outside perspective to kind of you know say hey why don't we try like focusing more on recovery and maybe like backing off a little bit well there is there is a very positive part of him tracking though because it gives us that insight had he not tracked like that I wouldn't be able to know if he's eating low or not right he could be just totally underestimating or overestimate but as soon as he told me the calorie intake that he's taking and he feels like he's gaining fat and the amount of activity that he's doing between five days of training all the outdoor activity 12,000 steps a day right away I go okay that's super low calorie I mean what he should be at is probably closer to 3,000 3500 at least calories just to maintain much less put on buddy so that right away gave that away when Sal started asking more questions about relationship with food and then we find out oats hard boiled eggs and boiled chicken yeah I mean that might not even be a thousand calories yeah you're talking about super low calorie right there and while doing all that activity I mean he's just as slow to metabolism yeah I can't tell you how many times I got and this is a hard conversation to have it's a hard thing to convince someone to do but I can't tell you how many times I had clients take their focus entirely off the mirror off the scale I would tell people take your scale put it in the closet don't weigh yourself at all for the next three months we're gonna focus entirely on strength and health and then at the end of that three month period I'd say alright let's bring out the scale let's test your body fat just to see what would happen and they know I got dropped four percent body fat this is wild or oh my god my my weight change is the same on the scale but I dropped all this body fat in game this muscle I had no idea this would happen yeah as a coach I mean your job is just reassurance that you're doing the right thing like they need to hear that constantly something like this our next caller is a Lisa from Ohio hi Lisa how can we help you hey guys I'm really excited to be here and Sal congratulations on your book thank you yeah so I'm kind of a recent listener I started about six months ago but I binged all of your past episodes and most recently I've been following Adam's HRT journey so for me personally my questions around testosterone supplementation for women I listened to the was it John Romano yes podcast recently and I don't think he covered this or if he did he was negative on supplementation of testosterone for women so I'm just a little bit of my backstory I've been into fitness since I was 15 and I am in my late 40s now in about a year or two ago I was having a lot of trouble sleeping I had insomnia very low energy I was also having trouble concentrating kind of fuzzy brain so I went to my regular GP and she offered to prescribe sleeping pills to me and I just said no thank you a friend of mine was seeing an MD that specialized in HRT and he ran my labs saw that I was low in progesterone testosterone and also high super high in estrogen so he recommended supplementation with progesterone and also a little bit of testosterone so what I mean by a little bit is I can barely fit it into the syringe it's like on the one line it's one I think it's 1.5 milliliters is what it is per week and now my levels are somewhere around 100 like the fifth day after I supplement and I'm sleeping much better I have more energy I'm concentrating much better at work and then just recently about a month ago I went to see my GP and she saw that I was supplementing with testosterone and she asked me if I was transitioning and I was really confused I said transitioning to what and she said well that would be the only reason a woman would supplement with testosterone and I guess I just want to know from your eyes opinion is that true is she crazy which of my doctors is nuts this is a problem with GPs so first off we're not doctors so this is going to be our advice is based off of our experience and experience working with clients number one I'm going to refer you to somebody on social media that I think is excellent with balancing out with helping women balance out their hormones Dr. Jolene Brighton so if you don't know who that is find her she's got great information on balancing out progesterone estrogen and testosterone testosterone is present in women and it does have a role in a woman's health just like it does in a man's now in a man it's the dominant hormone but in women low testosterone can cause things like low libido low confidence, low drive can contribute to osteoporosis or osteopenia, muscle loss I'm not sure what the amount of testosterone you're being prescribed right now it definitely isn't 1 milliliter because that's 200 milligrams that would be more than what a man would take every week but that one little line it sounds like you're on something like 10 milligrams I'm not sure what the dose is but it sounds like you're working with a specialist in the field now a general practitioner is not a hormone specialist just like they're not a nutritional specialist I've had clients go to a general practitioner and the general practitioner give them dietary advice that makes me shake my head so I would definitely refer to the hormone specialist because that is exactly what they're specialized in you did mention you feel a lot better too and I feel like that's the best evidence of all if you feel good then you're probably on the right track at least in comparison to how you were doing before 10 milligrams of testosterone is not going to transition you into a man I'll tell you that right now I don't know what the dose is but that's a load that sounds like a few we don't know exactly what it is but by what you're describing I think it's very very low and that amount is not going to transition you into a man this has been a constant battle because they go through their schooling many times three decades before a lot of them stop learning or going beyond that and they give advice in areas that they're not a specialist if you're seeing a hormone therapist trust me he or she knows their shit probably a lot more than the GP does in this area and like Sal said I think if you're feeling good and you like the way you feel you're probably doing really really really good and to Jolene Brighton we did two episodes with her you can search on Mind Pub that was mainly what we talked about was woman's hormones here's the one thing I will say about hormone imbalances often times there is a root cause to why hormones are off and what you can do there's two routes you can go with fixing this you can either solve the root issue which sometimes is very difficult it can be challenging it can be very mysterious the other option is to just supplement with the hormones and balance them out the problem with that is you may be masking the symptoms of whatever the root cause was you know in the first place so those are the two options now here's the deal sometimes you can't figure out the root cause or sometimes your hormones are so out of balance that becomes a more pressing issue you know for example if you're a man and something in your life is causing your testosterone to crash and you can't figure out what it is and you're trying to raise it but it's so low and you get this up because it's causing health problems that can also be the case with women as well so those are the two kind of the two directions but yeah you're working with a specialist in hormones I would listen to them over the general practitioner when it comes to hormones things to look out for with testosterone with women are you getting any masculinizing effects are you growing hair where you normally didn't are you noticing a deepening of your voice is your libido is that a control where you become impulsive those are you know mood swings but it sounds like you feel way better than you did before if I'm am I correct yeah I feel better and I mean my husband hadn't said anything about me being super hairy or anything he hasn't noticed anything so I agree though with Sal I do think and if you've listened to my story back when I was on hormones then I came off and you know I spent a good three years and during this podcast sharing that kind of journey of trying to troubleshoot it and figure it out myself and I had some success like I was down in the low 200s and I worked myself up to about 400 naturally I'm recently back on hormone replacement therapy now and feel a lot better I just wasn't where I never could get it back to where I think I was before so I've also know that I'm kind of signing up for that for the rest of my life so to Sal's point if you never kind of get to the root cause of what's causing all those issues then you might be signing up for taking those hormones forever but hey if you can't figure it out naturally and figure out what the root cause is and it's improving your life that much right now by doing that that's something that I would I'm doing so I totally agree and understand right so root cause couldn't age just be one of the root causes no you will notice a change in hormones as you age but there's a natural change and then there's the unnatural types of changes so for example a man's testosterone will lower as he gets older but it shouldn't crash so you shouldn't be a man in your 40s and have testosterone that's you know 250 or something like that now it'll be lower than it was when you were 18 but not that low and the same is true for women you'll notice changes in progesterone and estrogen and even a woman's testosterone but if they're lower than what would be considered healthy even those situations though Sal a lot of times the factors that cause that of aging is actually less of them aging and more of the lifestyle change over those years and also the ranges that you'll get from the labs can be so wide and healthy is usually not at the extremes like you know the range for a man's testosterone is 300 to 1100 like what the hell that's a huge difference so does that mean if I'm 305 I'm good not necessarily and they do that with women's tests as well so and again your quality of life is very important how do you feel how is your energy how is your skin your recovery like those things are also very important quality of life I think is something that sometimes we ignore and we just look at the numbers are okay I know you feel like shit but your numbers are okay so therefore you're okay I disagree with that right alright well thanks thank you thanks for calling in yeah it's funny you know especially when it comes to hormones or you know I mean gastro issues I look I dealt with gut issues going to the GP and was getting zero zero answers oh just wait it out oh you'll be fine oh take some you know Peptobismol or whatever I'm like okay this is not helping me yeah they have specialists for a reason well I want to get conflicting diagnosis as well you know Courtney has gone through this with her thyroid as well just the amount the range of where they'd like her to be and like what she actually was feeling through that so there's a lot of trial and error that is going to go with it as well yeah I want to reiterate that what Sal said about us not being doctors right so this is always a tough area for us to escape when you get clients that come to you that have you know questions above your pay grade right this is not what I went to school with but in our defense I've dealt with this a ton you know and a lot of this is communication between me as a personal trainer with the specialist and asking them questions about what's going on and then doing my best to help implement the lifestyle changes for example like with myself the things that I was trying to do is you know more sunlight focusing better not over training making sure that I have a balanced diet like there are a lot of natural things that you can do to try and potentially address what the root causes but at the end of the day like you said Sal I mean if she's tried all these things and it's not working it's not helping still and then taking this low of a dose of testosterone is helping her then yeah I mean that's improving quality of life for her and I'm all for it and this is what I can't stand about GPs is they they speak out of turn and yet because they're a doctor for so many people they carry so much weight still that oh my doctor said I should eat this way or my doctor says I'm going to turn into a man if I do that this just voices that there's more options out there to get a second opinion to really like you know take this upon yourself to do more investigating and educate yourself more in the top yeah I've had some GPs tell clients they'll come to me and say well my doctor says I shouldn't do a lower body exercises because my knee hurt so I shouldn't do more at all yeah well there's a huge range of exercise we can do that'll actually make your knees feel better I've had doctors GPs tell my clients to take shakes throughout the day and not eat yeah to lose weight oh we just gotta drop your calories here's a thousand calories with the shapes just do this and I'm like okay this is not now of course GPs have tremendous value in many may cases but yeah if you're if you have a specialist the specialist in the in in hormones is the person that I would defer to not the person that's not the specialist our next caller is Clark from Tennessee hey Clark how can we help you hey so first off huge fan I really love you guys podcast everything you guys do and thank you for taking my question so I recently finished MAP Strong I had a lot of really good strength gains with it I had to take a month off of lifting for a non-injury procedure and now I'm I'm back at it and I want to start MAPs aesthetic but I in in in order to gain some some muscle and some strength to help boost my metabolism as you guys preach on the show but I'm also training for triathlon at the end of July and the end of August and I wanted to know how you guys would recommend pairing MAPs aesthetics with triathlon training in order to still gain some muscle and some strength okay so I wouldn't uh these are conflicting goals right here brother here's what'll happen yeah yeah for sure here's what'll happen if you do MAPs aesthetic while training for a triathlon you'll lose muscle over train probably injure yourself okay so I've trained I've trained quite a few triathletes and I know the type of training that is involved with being a triathlete and being successful at it it's a lot of obviously a lot of running biking and swimming and so the strength training that you're going to do to supplement that is actually quite minimal okay we don't want to do a lot most of the time you should spend training should be on those three things that you do and maybe correctional exercise to prevent injury if you do strength train which I think you should I would limit it to one day a week and you would do maybe four exercises four exercises a few sets each just to build overall strength focus on compound lifts your general lifts and that's pretty much it any more than that if you add that to your current training it's just going to be too much and the closer you get to your race the less of the resistance training you're going to do because your training for the triathlon is going to ramp up the closer you get to the competition as that ramps up you got to scale back the resistance training and at that point and what I would do with my clients you know about four weeks before the event is we would stop lifting weights and only do correctional exercises and only do mobility work with them just to prevent injury and keep them mobile leading up to the event now I have a question because the only way I'd have different different advice is if you you answer this question different is how okay how you know the triathlon are you are you very serious and competitive about it or is it like something that you and your buddy just want to do for fun it's just for fun just more of an achievement so something I'd be able to complete you know I guess for me the overarching goal which is still be continually gaining muscle and strength to just you know I really as I listen you guys just show more and more you know preaching, boosting the metabolism helping the body you know kind of do the work for you I like that idea and I would like to continue to down that path so I got I got a count I got a counter that I'm going to counter that because nobody does a triathlon just for fun that is serious that is serious I mean you're talking about like mileage in three different really yeah you know endurance disciplines so that's a lot of training just to get ready for so here's another I'm going to add one more question to what Adam said what does what does your typical week look like getting ready for a triathlon that'll give us more information that'll give us the right information I guess yeah so triathlon I mean I'm able to pair maybe two exercises like a swim and a run and a day to get it down to four to five days of training a week the training plan that I have triathlon wise recommends six days of training a week in order to get ready how many miles how many miles are you running biking and swimming throughout the week on average so on average probably running at least six to seven miles a week biking you know range on average probably 20 miles and then swimming close to 3,000 meters a week yeah I'm going to stick to what I said yeah Sal's okay so if you're going to follow that Sal's 100% right the reason why I asked the question I asked is because and by the way I didn't do a triathlon I did like a buddy buddy race which is like 10k right 10k but I did it with the same type of intention that it sounds like you kind of have it was like a you know me and my two best friends talking shit to each other playing video games over a weekend they're calling me out because like it was this big muscle bound guy that I wouldn't be able to race him and beat him I talk shit that I would but yet I really cared about the way I looked I didn't want to change that but I knew that if I threw in a little bit of cardio in my training deleting up to that I had I had enough to be able to hopefully win which I did but I didn't lose a lot of muscle but I also didn't do a lot of cardio I did just enough to know that I could get out there and finish the race and I had enough grit in me to push through and do okay I didn't buy any means finish first or in the top 10 of anybody that was finishing there so I do think that if you're like hey I just want to say I completed a triathlon and so I swim one day I bike one day I run one day for an hour of training I absolutely think that you can compliment that with strength training and still kind of hang on to some muscle mass and look alright but with the regimen that you're running the amount that you are you are running and biking and swimming that is already so high that anything more than probably one day a week of strength training is going to be over I probably wouldn't do more than one and I would definitely focus on highlighting the posterior chain in that strength training regiment to be able to support all this you know anterior driven type of movement and repetitive stress and also really like emphasizing ankle mobility hip mobility keeping that you know a constant thing throughout the day multiple times a day you know to keep you nice and healthy your joints going through this crazy adventure yeah I hear some here's some great exercises your your barbell squats going to be good the closer you get the closer you get to your race to split stance so stop barbell squatting do things like lunges or Bulgarian split stance squats or single leg exercises single leg toe touches are a good exercise overhead carries are going to be really good to help you with your core and your posture overhead presses are going to be really good bench presses are fine not a big deal you don't need to do a ton of them but bench presses are fine I like rows I like rows a lot for triathletes because it helps again with countering that forward posture that you get from running and from cycling pullovers pullover dumbbell pullovers barbell pullovers great exercises for the swimming portion to also help strengthen that kind of shoulder mobility at the top so there's some exercises you can focus on are you doing a standard distance like Olympic distance triathlon are you are you doing the sprint or yeah so I've done a sprint before and so I'm trying to accomplish the the Olympic this year so yeah which you know is quite a big yes bro that's a lot it ain't no big deal take it easy on yourself one massive goal at a time that's almost one mile swim that's a 25 mile bike ride and then a six mile over six mile run in all one race yeah alright well hey good luck once a week resistance training do correctional exercise that's it don't do any more than that okay don't do maps aesthetic while training for triathlon do it later alright perfect sounds good thank you guys so much no problem yeah when you're when you're training for an event train for the event this is the number one question that we get all the time and I don't think we want your kick and you too you know you want all the things it does everybody want everybody wants to be like a triathlete and look jacked yeah and they're just they're just conflicting goals I went through this when I was doing jiu-jitsu I went through this I trained jiu-jitsu love lifting weights didn't want to give up either one or whatever and I just over trained better until I've scaled my resistance training down to twice a week it takes away from your training that was it you know who's fault this is this is the media's fault I'm gonna blame the media on this one because this is what we do we always we highlight the anomaly we highlight that one runner who looks freakish or that crossfitter who looks jacked in it you know personal walker yeah exactly highlight these bodies that are absolute anomalies dude there they're one in a million that that look sick and they also train in a sport that totally conflicts with their body type it's just you rarely ever see it and so we get these people that always have these athletic endeavors or sport like goals that they want to achieve while also building an incredible bodybuilding type of physique no not gonna happen when I trained triathletes they would train with me once or twice a week and if they came twice a week one day a week with was slow traditional resistance training at a moderate intensity I wasn't even going high intensity and the other day a week was literally all mobility stretching damage massage yeah that kind of stuff that was it putting your body in a meat grinder with that pursuit but I wanted to I wanted to make sure too though because I've been there before where we like I said messed around and did like a muddy buddy type of race it's 10k you know and it wasn't like and I could have like if I really cared about winning that and that's all I cared about I could have I would have put my training aside I did all the being one of the best racers out there but I was like nah I just want to be able to complete it I just want to be able to beat my friend I just want to be able to beat my buddy but I still want to be jacked and so most of my training still was centered around weightlifting and then I would throw in like a run or two like a week every week you can't casually do a triathlete swim one mile just do the first part just swim one mile and see what happens our next caller is Morgan from Missouri Hey Morgan how can we help you guys thank you so much for your time I'm really thankful for everything that you do in the content you make so thank you for that my question today has to do with excessive exercise and trying to cut back on that so just as a background I'm a fitness instructor for group fitness classes and I work out a lot doing that and so I'm trying to cut back on the energy I given class because I've recently started resistance training and I love those results and I know that that is where I need to be but with as much as I do it isn't sustainable for my energy and my sleep and kind of what I give so I just didn't know if you had any advice for physically doing less but still keeping the progress I've made and not retract or not regress at all and continue to reach my goals but kind of cut back on as much as I'm giving right now I think we should defer this one to Justin since he's the big bar guy this is between your Zumba and bar this is what you'd be doing all the time I'm the only one with the balls to do it we actually all took this guys remember when we took this class we took a bar class and got our asses handed to us it's sneaky you don't expect it but I do bar and circuit and hit so during class I do a lot but I'm ready to cut back as an instructor and give more to my personal workouts so what's that going to look like for you when you say cut back how many hours a week will you be teaching and being active in classes so I am hoping to just physically not do as much and still instruct with verbal cues and things like that it'll like I teach at least one class a day if not more so I'm hoping to not do as much there and just kind of be active and not physically work out but then do 20 minutes of cardio in the morning like I typically do and then it looks like you'll probably be 45 minutes to an hour of resistance training because I just started I got the bikini bundle so I just started that if you were allowed to that's exactly what I would make you do is not allowed to move in your classes you could just cue and teach so we talked recently in a where I shared that I used to actually train a lot of group in fact I got known as helping out all our group back instructors because they struggled with building the body they wanted but they were exercising four or five hours a day and one of the biggest hurdles I always had was like I know you love to hype the class and get the energy going and move with them but you're not allowed to so long as I'm coaching you you can't you just gotta cue if you're gonna have me help you and build this physique and build this metabolism then we gotta back off all this high intensity moving around all day long in fact in your 20 minutes of cardio I would cut that also and we would 100% focus on the maps program it's all about strength training and if you want to be a teacher still that's fine you can teach but you can't be bouncing around and running all over the place with them and start to build that metabolism back up because I'm guessing that you probably have struggled with that as far as your calorie intake I would assume that you for as much as you move you probably don't eat four or five thousand calories which is probably what you should be eating yeah I do I am aware of what I eat but I didn't know how much I could eat until like the past like four months I think it's been like a realization of how much I have to eat to perform so yeah I don't I can't maintain that forever it's just not sustainable there's not a lot of time in a day and I can't spend four hours of it working out yeah I'm gonna back up Adam 100% I'd say cut the cardio out of the morning you're still gonna teach your classes and you know just you can teach them here's the deal just because you're teaching the classes you're still moving even if you're not doing the class with the people you're still moving that'll count as your other activity and then with resistance training I would go maps anabolic I would even go as high as maps aesthetic I would do maps anabolic you could do three foundational workouts a week stick there and then see what happens this is one of these cases I've seen this happen many times where I've had a person work out less and get leaner and get the body that they want from working out less because you're shifting the way that your body is adapting right now your body's adapted to lots of work you probably have lots of stamina lots of endurance muscle and strength you're gonna shift that to a more strength focused routine make sure you get an adequate protein diet and then watch your body watch what happens to your body you're probably already seeing some positive effects now make that shift and then watch what happens the biggest hurdle is gonna be the psychological shift that it's gonna require for you to be able to trust that you're doing the right thing I've trained a lot of people in that situation where they're just constantly moving and they feel like they have to keep that momentum up otherwise they're gonna now all of a sudden start gaining body fat like crazy but really our focus and shift is on building muscle and building strength and that does take some time to work on and you gotta trust the process and I'm gonna add one more thing to you Morgan because I know you when you're getting ready and you're doing your strength training rest as long as the program tells you or rest longer okay with you I don't think we could rest too long two minutes, three minutes rest between sets if we've got the time to stretch the work out because with all of my group X instructors that because you guys are so high energy it's such a shift mentally like Justin is talking about it was always so hard for me to settle you guys down you know what's next Adam they'd be ready for the next exercise and I'm constantly having to remind them you need to rest we're trying to change that signal that Sal's talking about to your body we need to shift it from this cardio buddy yeah nice and calm the whole time totally different awesome and then for nutrition also honestly my biggest thing is I I make sure I hit my protein every day I know how much I weigh so I know how much I need but intuitive I guess like the intuitive eating guide is there so I should just kind of like right now I don't plan on changing much and just trying to feel what I need again hoping that it doesn't cause me to gain fat or anything but do you have any suggestions on what I should or shouldn't do in that respect? you're doing the right thing don't count your calories that's fine track your protein don't get stuck on counting macros and calories proteins fine you can keep focusing on that focus on how you feel focus on how you feel and how strong you are if you're getting stronger you're moving in the right direction eat when you're hungry but make good choices if your body is hungry and you're telling yourself eat but eat good and make good choices and also understand too if you're building strength you're going to build some muscle so you might notice clothes fitting different pay attention to how you feel look at yourself don't pay attention to the scale you could go up a couple pounds don't think of it like that and the physique that you're starting to build more than getting hung up on the weight or maybe how clothes are fitting currently and give it some time and truthfully I was one of the doctors yesterday so that's how I know how much I weigh I'll weigh myself once a month and since I started resistance training my leggings fit better they're filled out better and just in general I think I look a lot better so I'm just going to keep that scale resistance training you definitely are right with that so thank you for helping me keep that mindset when I very easily could have just stopped and not so thank you awesome no problem alright well thank you guys I really appreciate your time thank you Morgan yeah this is the highlights why the book that I wrote is so important right now people just we focus too much on exercise calories and we don't focus on the most important thing which is how is this exercise teaching my body to adapt how is it signaling my body to adapt that's the most important thing you should focus on and most people if they tell their body to build muscle and get stronger will get all the results and goals that they want and more I love though how open-minded she is though one of the hardest parts about training my clients that were group X instructors to shift it was like pulling teeth sometimes because it's hard when you're in it I don't care how smart you think your trainer is or who's talking to you to convince somebody that the reason why they have body fat or they can't change their physique is because they're doing too much they're doing real work and it's hard and they're sweating and all of this is tangible and then to tell them that maybe that's not promoting what your desired outcome is is really tough to handle what they experience is when they stop teaching as many classes but they're not doing any resistance training they gain weight what do you mean you want me to not do as much I get fat every time I do we're going to send a different signal while you cut back on that type of activity the cool part though you take somebody who's got the motivation the discipline like a lot of group X instructors have and you can get them to shift 90 day transformation you can build an 180 degree you can build an incredible physique for someone like this I feel like she's in the right place she's already asking for that advice she's open minded to shutting down some of that stuff if she backs off of all the high intensity while she's teaching class and lays off the cardio and just strength trains and eats when she's hungry and feeds herself well go to mindpumpfree.com and download all of our guides we love our free guides you can also find all of us on social media you can find us on Instagram so Justin can be found at Mindpump Justin you can find me at Mindpump Sal and Adam at Mindpump Adam I do have this train that at some point modern medicine when they recommend you go exercise they say we want you to go do resistance training which by the way can be performed with your body can be performed with bands of course you can use weights or machines by the way in the book I put I actually put programs in there