 Yeah, in thinking about how we change the corporate behavior of any entity I guess we have to look at this both in terms of a push-and-pull or both carrots and sticks that are used, right? And I think, you know, small to medium producers present a distinct challenge in the Indonesian context because as you said many of these are less responsive to campaigns because they're not facing markets that would be sensitive to these issues. But, you know, the extent to which we can work on making a persuasive business case for sustainability, most especially in relation to social aspects of development, making persuasive arguments about the long-term cost savings and the licenses to operate and the continuity to business that arises from commitment to sustainability on the social side. That's a very important one. I think it's also very important to think about, you know, there's growing interest and focus on how we can engage more effectively with local government. In some respects, if we think about working with the myriad number of small to medium growers in Indonesia, it's an almost almost infinite and constantly growing pull of people. On the other hand, if we can work more productively with local government to make more effective enforcement and greater demands that are placed on all producers within geographies that they control, both small, medium and large scale, then we're effectively reaching much larger groups of companies than we would be by taking each of them on individually. It's a very complicated task looking forward and nobody sort of sees this, you know, as an easy job, but it is something that has to be addressed. I think, you know, it's important for us to keep a sort of a proper perspective and that sort of extent of change that we've seen already in the last three to five years, whichever the dramatic in relation to what our expectations were when the whole sort of process of engagement began with the private sector in Indonesia. I think it's also very important though for us to recognize that, you know, we're engaging with private sector in sort of a very stepwise fashion in many ways working with companies to point out that are sort of the most amenable to thinking in terms of longer term sustainability and impacts on the environment. In that sort of an engagement process where we're engaging with a segment, but not all of them, we're sort of looking at a situation today where in most of the companies that will commit to avoiding high risk, maybe high emission or high biodiversity areas, this is really, to the extent that we can work productively with them, where we're dealing successfully at avoidance, right? So if we could convince a lot of these key companies to stay out of these high-risk areas, we've eliminated the risk of immediate deforestation, but we haven't protected and secured those areas. So in, you know, the question, you know, how realistic is it for us to think that these private sector commitments will happen, it will translate to action quickly enough on the ground to save forests. I think we really have to think about this in two respects. How quickly we can convince them to avoid, but once they are avoided by these large companies that have committed sustainability, what's going to happen with those areas to protect and secure them from other companies that haven't made similar commitments yet? This is an area where, again, it's a very complicated problem for us to tackle, but it's also an area where engagement with local government is critical, because if you don't have support at that local level, you forever have a risk of areas that have been, say, high-risk areas that companies have agreed to avoid, there's always the risk of those same land being licensed to other parties who are less committed to sustainability issues. So we have to think about this both in terms of avoidance, protection, and part of that protection scenario depends upon more effective engagement with government as well. I'm going to speak to this, I imagine because of the small-scale plantation operators today. First of all, I answered your questions, are we asking those people and these operators the questions that need to be asked? I think on the whole, probably most of us are not, because most of us are still engaging with larger segments of the private sector. But I think what are their needs and what sort of investment incentives might they respond to? I think it's also important for us to keep in mind that this varies tremendously across geographic areas. Most companies, small, medium, large, all struggle with issues related to how to manage social aspects of their business. There's a lot of learning, a lot of success stories, but not much of that learning permeates through industry as it needs to. So without having asked small-scale producers what their real needs are, I can safely assume when I would suggest that attention should be focused on helping them plan and implement successful social programs related to small holders, related to livelihood support, related to broader local community support for local institutions and so forth would be an area where all of them would be in need.