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I was just gonna ask you something Doug though something else What what what go go go go go go go go go go go go go do it you can do it Let me think let me think it was something probably not important sometimes when you're thinking I picture the You know the little apple pinwheel You guys follow that rebel rebellious circus. They always have you guys follow that page rebellious circus I think so the black all the black Like and just black and white and it's like a saying it's always like very smart ass They won't they put just like two days ago. It's like you ever look at someone and you see the hamster the hamster will go or the Picture the hamster will but the hamsters dead or something Hey this morning on the way here because my kids are super into like 80s and 90s music, so I go on really yeah Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, I mean if you think about it makes sense because when we were kids I think the music your parents listen to maybe I don't know it's like a thing, right? So yeah, my daughter's always like put on 80s put on 90s, you know, it's on like all right So today I went on and I go through the stations. I'm like, oh 90s hip-hop. This will be fun This will be fun to listen to what do you mean? It's not fun appropriate not fun Just so you know Yeah, I was like, this is not good Dance is your chance and like I'm trying to introduce some of these cool songs And it's all the most sexual things I had ice cube came on today was a good day And we're listening and then all of a sudden I'm like, oh Change that real quick. Yeah, holy shit. Yeah, that's super inappropriate speaking of 90s stuff So I had a guy last night that was in slid in my DMs talking shit to me I posted did you guys see I posted my cuz we were talking about my my transformation on the podcast today? So I wait a minute. You got some heat on that on YouTube too. Oh, yeah. Oh, did it get it come on? I didn't see if I this guy's like, oh my god, Adam's ego. I could totally do this I know it always comes off that way. Fuck you. I'm saying fuck you That's all I gotta say to you. He did sound a little douchey Listen to it afterwards and I was like, you know, I knew it was gonna come off that way, too I was like, you know what? But my point of that and I obviously he just has supreme confidence. That is not why the supreme Shut up. You're gonna make it worse. Okay My point of saying that to people is because I get we I mean I used to get I still get tons of these DMs Is ever people think that those transformations are so fake or oh, they got to be on all the steroids and the point I was trying to make was not Me having superior anything or being amazing and anything was that it's possible. Actually, it's more like I don't know a lot And I could still do that. Okay, there's people out there with better genetics than me Know a lot more than me and they can make that transformation. That was really the point. I was trying to make so anyways Back to the dude talking shit to me in my DM. I Had the the picture is when I'm you know, I was rocking the bucket hats where it's like, you know Forward bills for that and I have a tiny head. So when I that style when it was in style I had to tuck my ears in and so he was talking shit to me about tucked in your ears. Yeah Yeah, about that. No, it's just like, you know, fuck you. It wasn't one. It was in style, too I had I have a small head. So if I wear that hat, I have to do it. See that or my or my ears I don't know what we like Dumbo. Yeah, I don't know what would be worse But the irony of it was the kids bio picture. He's got the fucking 90s, you know, big You know, those are back in style again, right the big old like Oakley looking Goggle glasses everywhere everywhere now all the kids are the worst things that we've made fun of people for in the 80s And I like people are owning that like the lightning bolt like yes And the side of their head with like a mullet in the like rat tails are back dude. No, they're not. Yes Are they really I'm serious. So that's you talk to Vicky told me like there's all these kids that come in and they want Specifically they want like a rat tail. Yeah, and she's like, are you sure? Bring the bring the flat that was the irony of this. I know as some kid He's probably like 18 years old and he's talking shit to me I'm like meanwhile you're fucking biting shit off the fucking 80s right now dude to get out of here Hey, I tell you what I don't care how cool you think you are whatever you're wearing now and you're in your young You're gonna look like an idiot in 20 years. Yeah, you can't win dude. No, yeah, nobody can win Well, especially if you're trying to be all cool, you know anything that's real cool and in style is like like wild and stupid Why I just never cared. Yeah Consistently out of style I Never cared and you know what turns out the old man. So I did the right thing I did the right thing. Hey, so this morning speaking to my kids, right? So this morning I woke up at five to do my workout at 545 I do my thing It of course sucks right working out at that time is just crap. Yeah, I do my workout My daughter comes out to take you to get all ramped up. Well from 5 a.m. To 545. Yeah, so I come I go downstairs I take all my caffeine go upstairs and you know go to the bathroom by the time it kicks in then I go downstairs and do My workout or whatever so I'm in the garage doing my thing and I come out when I'm finally done My daughter comes down and she's like she looks at me with this like look like like you're an idiot And I said what why are you looking at me like that? And she goes I can hear you Grunting and gasping for air in my room And she goes and you look like you're about to die She goes why do you like why do you love this so much and I laughed and then I stopped right a pause for a second And I said I'll be honest with you honey. I said I don't love it at all hate it I said but I do it anyway, and she's like what a good lesson time right right absolutely I'm like I do it anyway. I said that's the difference between Doing things because you feel like it and just being disciplined. I said I don't like it I don't want to wake up at five. I don't want to go and do 20 reps of squats Cold-ass garage in the morning I said but I do it anyway, and I said and that's for you That's what discipline is all about and I don't think she got it because the look on her face was like not right now But she will that's a great answer though Because you know I bet you a lot of parents or a lot of people get hit with that from a kid And I but oh I do they put on the like I love it Yeah, like no, why would you do that? Why would you cuz then the kids gonna be like well? I don't love it like my mom does or my dad does I never fucking doing this But if you tell them straight up like that like listen, I don't like this shit. It's hard I'd rather I would rather a slap in I'd rather not do that But there's other reasons why I do it and that you're gonna find plenty of things in your life that you're going to cross It started a conversation to in the car You know we're talking about it, and she goes well Yeah, she goes it gets easier though, right like it and I said well You get more fit, and you get stronger, but then you lift heavier, and you work out harder I said so the reality is and I remember this with clients to the truth is it hurts just as much Today as it did when I first started maybe even more But the difference is my relationship with that pain associations completely different totally different like do you guys remember this? Do you guys remember getting a brand new client who was deconditioned never worked out never did any resistance training? And they would do an exercise and let's say it's tricep press down like super basic exercise And then that they would start to burn and they drop the weight That ever happened you yeah, I remember that when that first happened to me I was like I would try not to laugh. Oh what happened? Yeah, and I'd be like why'd you drop the weight? Oh, it really you know it really hurts or it really burns like oh They don't have they don't have a relationship with pain like I do they don't understand that you know There's good pain or bad pain, and that's like a great life lesson, right? It's like shit's hard. It'll never not be hard. You just have to get I guess tougher and more resilient. Well, it's funny I mean I kind of had a similar conversation because both my boys are in gymnastics and they're now competing in it And so they've stepped up the level of their practices, and so I mean they're doing a hundred two hundred push-ups You know they got them doing all kinds of pull-ups. They got them doing like really like hard things I'm like yeah, you know like Back I'm just like yeah, this is perfect, but then Ethan woke up the other day, and he was just like I'm so sore He's just walking around just like you know feeling sorry for himself trying to get attention and all this stuff. I'm like I'm like yeah, you're sore like you need to keep moving like this is all part of the process of getting stronger and and You know This is this is something you're gonna come across quite a bit, you know Like you're gonna have those days where you don't feel you know up for it And but you just you work through it and and this is this is all part of like recognizing Like you just did something hard You did something that you put a lot of effort into and your body now is recovering and you're going through this process But you know, you can't always avoid, you know that feeling like it's not always gonna be like I'm always awesome And I'm not gonna feel the pain of it. That's why kids have moms by the way It goes to get a hug only one was a hug. Yeah, I did not give him that yeah I remember when I go to work with my dad In the summers I started doing this one I was like maybe 12 and you know I'm mixing cement and carrying buckets and you know my hands and so I wasn't used to this kind of work And my dad grew up doing this kind of stuff So I get like a blister or a cut and they'd come to him But I gotta I got a big cut and he'd be like you grab the the dry powder or stick glue in it Super glue real quick Or some sand on it. Here you go. You're okay now. I'm like Give me two more buckets, please Do you think do you think both of you do you think that? You think that's one of the biggest difference about being an older dad like what I think about like Having future conversations like what you guys are talking about right now. I Think that the way I would have handled it at 20 something would be totally different at 40 How like I would I wouldn't have the wisdom to admit that it's hard Yes, like you like if my kid came in at like 22 and I'm working out like that and they came in They're like, oh my god, dad. It looks like this is why will you do this? And they question me? I got it Yeah, I'd be like no, I love this. It makes me feel great I probably I would probably answer something like that. I probably wouldn't have the foresight to go like hey This is a really great and at least what I from my perspective of seeing other Dads and older dads and younger dads I feel like that's one of the biggest things that I notice a difference is like Most my older dads that are friends of mine Have the wisdom to catch all those teaching moments that a young dad may not it would just kind of like Oh, yeah, go right over them and they didn't see that as a like Here's a perfect opportunity for you to like take a moment to actually use this as a great teaching moment Versus just letting it fly hit the nail on the head because what'll happen is if you don't tell your kid that you were scared That you're tired that it hurt that it was hard Then what's gonna happen to them is they're gonna grow up and they're gonna think something's wrong with them They're gonna be like, you know, my dad was never scared. Yeah, but why am I scared or my dad? You know, he's he he never he loved that that things were truck challenge In fact, he never said it was hard. It was everything was easy to him Why is it so hard for me? And that's the wrong thing The right thing is to tell them the truth like when I tell my my kids loved it for me to tell them stories of when I was growing up Especially stories of when I would get into fights or trouble They love stories of what I get into trouble They love it So I would tell them a story like the time that I got jumped in eighth grade by a bunch of guys and snap and my kid I remember when I first told my son and my daughter well My daughter was really young but my son was like maybe seven and I'm telling him the story about and you know It's basically I went I went into the bathroom and they followed me in their closed doors And I got jumped by like five dudes and my son's looking at me and then after I told him the whole story goes Wow, you weren't even scared. I said I was terrified. I was absolutely terrified But I had to fight anyway because if I just sat there scared I would have got really hurt So it's really important. I think to tell your kids. So she's like, you know, oh, you love it No, I don't actually this sucks. I said, but I love the discipline I like the fact that I doesn't matter if I like it or not that I'm gonna do it anyway comes from it, right? Yeah, and you know what, you know Who was at that time? I had a client years ago. It was so value one of the things I love most about training And sometimes I even felt guilty about it was I would actually learn more sometimes from my clients than they would learn Sure, and I had this woman that I trained years ago She was a child psychologist and I'll never forget this conversation. We had she said, you know one thing This is what my son was first born. So he was just an infant And I was asking her questions like what are some tips that you have for me and she said don't Don't tell your kid. He's like super smart or super talented. I'm like, huh? She goes. Well, what I mean is Emphasize the hard work and effort not the talent and so I said she said like for example If your kid brings you their test and they have an a on it in math instead. You're so smart Yeah, instead of like wow, you're so good at math, you know, you're so smart at math say I can tell that you really worked hard at this or I could tell that you studied really hard In order to do this and I said why and she said because at some point They're gonna reach a challenge and if they're constantly taught that they're smart and talented and that things should be easy they'll hit they'll reach a challenge and They'll think something's wrong with them or they'll avoid the challenge because they don't they don't understand They have identified with the fact that they're so smart and talented. So I did that at a very young age I would always emphasize the hard work aspect and I swear to God. It's paid off like both my kids Very much. So when something's really hard and challenging I see them kind of buckle down and work hard I hope I think you gave that advice and somewhere in the first 100 episodes. I think that we ever did probably one of the Things that stuck with me the most that I've heard you talk about about being a father I've never heard anybody else say that before nor have I ever thought of that because it's just it's natural, right? Yeah, your kid does something you want to tell them they're telling you're so smart or you're so good You want to you want to say that and you think that positive reinforcement is actually a good thing But you don't think about exactly what you just said is it's inevitable that they're gonna come There's gonna be a time when someone is smarter, you know or so whatever and you always want to tie it back to their work Because they can do more work. They can work harder to achieve those less. Let's say they are very talented, right? Let's say like my like my son is very very talented at math. He's just really really good at math It's something that tends to come easy to him But because I think we've emphasized hard work with him What he does is he actually tries to go for the harder classes that are gonna push him even more and it sucks And it's hard and he'll complain sometimes But if I think if it was all about his talent, he would have probably stayed in the classes where he felt talented You know the ones that were easier for him because at some point you're gonna do some math I don't care how talented you are unless you're you know like a genius of some sort Which you're probably not most you know, let's be honest. Most of our kids are not geniuses It's a super rare. So he's but he's gonna reach out for the hardest Oh, which that's gonna pay you back dividends in life. Sure not the doing the easy stuff, you know So yeah, it was it's a I love these opportunities, but sometimes I push it too hard Yeah, I see my roll rise. No recently. Yeah, here's a lesson. Yeah, exactly I told you guys about having the whole sex talk and all that. Yeah, but so again like moving into junior high has been just this Accelerated amount of questions come and it's good and this is why you have You know these conversations and you try to be as honest as you can Because then they feel comfortable coming to you to explain what's actually happening Which I never did in my parents right because they didn't want to they didn't want to address You know these things are like even acknowledged that it was a thing yet And it's very insightful for us to Realize what this environment is like and it's so like the latest thing is like all these different drugs Like he keeps asking me about all these drugs and you know that it's just like a kid That's just trying to be cool. Like I know I know what angel dust is dude Lunch, you know, it's just crazy That's like an old school like it's about masculine like we're talking about PCP, you know So it's just it's weird like it's just strange. I'm like go revisiting. I'm like wait, which one is that? Yeah, it's so it's for me too because when I grew up you were topics You just didn't talk about you didn't talk about sex ever so I never had a call You know what I had with sex my dad and his workers would tell me dirty jokes That's what the call that was the extent of the sex talk. We never talked about drugs never there was never We'd even mention like the words, you know marijuana or anything like that It would have caused like my mom to freak out or whatever so we so for me It's so unnatural But I force it because I I know how valuable it can be for my kids to to feel comfortable asking me questions now Jessica on the other hand grew up this way her mom was super open Asked me anything never freak out like that's a big lesson. Justin Jessica taught me. She said you're at some point You can't react. Yes. She said they're gonna ask you some crazy shit. Yeah, and you can't react Yeah, you'll never get again. Yes, you have to act super cool and she's like this So my kids know this so we'll be at the dinner table and sometimes conversations pop up and then my son will just ask Because we've created that environment, right? So he'll ask a question and he'll ask something like what does LSD feel like, you know And I'm you know my in my in Jessica Answer him and be stupid Frank about certain certain things and it's but it's it creates a good You know kind of good dialogue. Yeah, but my daughter now, right cuz she's turned she's about to turn 12 So now they're doing the whole thing We bought her I don't know if I said this on the show or not I think I told you guys all fairer Jessica bought her this book about Learning about your body and it's perfect for for young girls and it's very frank and very open or whatever and so my daughter brought it downstairs the other day and we're all sitting around and I'm like, okay I want my daughter to to bring this up to me But I also want to I want to motivate her in a way that makes her that makes it kind of fun So I acted a little embarrassed. So I'm like, oh my god What's in that book and acted kind of whatever and so Jessica goes she goes Alessia Just open the book to a random page and then and then have your dad read it So and I'm like, oh my god, I don't want to do that and my daughter thinks it's hilarious So she opens it up and hands it to me and it's literally How to use a tampon I mean it shows a vagina shows a tampon does the whole thing Yeah, and my daughter's like, yeah read that read that papat tell me all about it And I'm like doing it, you know, I'm like, man, this is hard for me Never would my sisters have done this to my dad my dad would have been like what the hell's going on Yeah, but I like the fact that my daughter, you know feels open like that and no, it's cool It's and it's really cool when you see like so in Katrina's family Katrina's the youngest and they're all like this So it's really a neat dynamic when you've fostered that in a family And then to see so I get I have been, you know Brought into this family at you know my 30s So they were all raised this way and so to see the way they all Interact at the table and how weird at first I bet. Oh, yeah, of course You know, there's nothing more weird than having your mother-in-law You know make comments about you know getting blowjobs from her daughter like at a dinner table and just be like How do I react to this right now, you know like that's it's that open in her family that they would have that and Everybody and it'd be no big deal right and everybody kind of laugh or joke about it And but it actually has created this really intimate cool bond between all of them that they all trust each other About everything and if something's going on with one of them, it could be very personal it could be sexual It could be drugs it could be something going on dynamically in the Relationship where someone cheated on someone I mean you name it of the whole spectrum and it will get brought into the family And there's no judgment. There's no there's this Dialogue back and forth. You've got a collective group of different people that truly care about you Which I think that's so important because what ends up happening with kids and even adults That don't have a circle of trust like this where they can share almost anything they go seek it in other places That's what I did and then you seek it other places and many times those people don't have your best interest No, or they're your friends you think they you think that but there's this competitive Relationship that you have that you don't even know you have with your friends young too, and they don't know right They don't have any they don't have the wisdom or they don't really give a shit as much as you think they do or they don't want to See the best thing for you. Whereas in a family Network like that. It's it's a lot different. What happened to me the first time I drank like I actually really drank I was maybe 18 maybe 19 and I mean I tasted alcohol here and there But I didn't understand what it felt like to be drunk I didn't know you know how it affected the body and I went with a friend of mine who was right around my same age and We got into a bar because we you know we we got our fake IDs or whatever we got in there and You know we're doing shots of tequila and of course it starts to hit you right and I'm like, oh my god This feels great. We're having fun, but I had zero experience I had no idea that it takes a second for each shot to hit you so I went way Over because you're going you're going and the next thing you know I'm throwing up and you know that could have been averted if I had a relationship with my parents where they're like sure if You're curious about alcohol totally and you want to try it and see what it's like do with us We'll do it first and then then you can kind of look because now I never get sick when I drink except for that time We we tested z-biotic on the on the video Shot after shot after shot Bro, that was the most drunk I've been in at least over a decade. Do not do what we did I don't think we anticipated getting that destroyed that was way overboard But here's the trippy part and this is a hundred percent true. I don't feel nauseous. I don't have a headache I don't feel dehydrated. I feel totally fine But I never get sick visit that because I know I know the limits and so I hope I hope one day when my kids are If they want to do anything like that they come to me first and then I'm like, all right Let me show you, you know the right way to do this What do you what do you think the the main attribute as a father or parent is that you think it's vulnerability? What like what is the attribute that contributes to that ability to to have that conversation with your kids and do that? Consistency and stability. I think you definitely need to be open. Yeah, I think vulnerability. That's why I said Yeah, but you have to be what I mean by consistency and stability is You have you have to be there Because they have to know they can depend on you. Yes, you got to be vulnerable, but are you always there? Actually, I was really the consistency part is as much as you got to be able to to do what you say Yes, and follow through and so it's like they know that you're Consistently like doing those things that you're telling them to do or like, you know your example of that then it's like They're more open to release, you know that information to you Yeah, I think consistency is really important But I really think it's a vulnerable vulnerability thing that you guys have to for you to admit that they're working out is hard Yeah, or you admit about drugs. Oh, that was scary or that was hard this time Like you you have to be able to first some superhuman. Yeah, or even admit like, you know, hey You're I don't know I don't have a lot of experience in that or haven't done that You know or I'll open up this book and read about a tampon because I've actually never done that before But I'm willing to do that to me It's more vulnerability and and the ability to do that in front of your children, which is probably really hard for a lot of Yeah, that's definitely important. Yeah, it's funny. I was when I visited my brother this weekend and he is Exactly like I was as a young dad because we were obviously raised by the same parents and you know I love my mom to death. I love her to death Great mom, but she was that old-school Sicilian mom that literally did everything for her kids everything like I moved out when I was 19 or no, excuse me when I was 20 To go invest in it in a gym and up until I was 20 My mom made my bed and washed my clothes folded my clothes fold of my socks fold of my underwears If I wanted lunch she'd make me lunch. It's like that classic stereotype, right of the mom that whatever so when I first had kids I Didn't I wasn't involved in that way So I see my brother doing this and I can tell that he's like oh, I'll play with the kid kiss him Oh, give it to mom. You take care of everything you take care of this I got one point she was telling a story how she was like going to the bathroom She was peeing he was playing with the baby the baby starts crying He literally picks the baby up brings it in the bathroom hands it to mom because and I know I was exactly Like this and so I'm gonna have a conversation with him and tell him like you know It's funny when I when I got divorced and we did the dual custody thing I all of a sudden had this learning curve of having to figure out school and lunch and Laundry and picking them up into a stuff and it was hard, but then I realized like When you do those day-to-day things with them you actually develop a relationship with them You couldn't have had you not done those things. I didn't realize that I didn't realize I missed out on all that stuff Because I thought that's what my wife did or whatever right and so this is a conversation I hope he listens. I hope he understands what I'm saying, but I mean it's it's All that stuff I think is you know super important How you how old were you when you invested in the gym how old again? I want to say was I 21 or 20? You would save up $100,000 already by that time. Yeah, that's crazy Yeah, but I mean I was making a lot of money and I lived at home and I had a drovel volts wagon I mean yeah, but still I mean a kid to a kid to save a hundred thousand dollars I was in my late 20s before I'd saved that kind of money So I also had a terrible relationship with money in my early 20s. Yeah, but a good thing But you were talented and you can make it You don't say yeah, I can get back up again Dude, did you guys see what's making the news right now another a new study that came out that counters all the decades of? You know, I don't know what you want to call information that we were hearing from the FDA about Dairy fat you hear about this. No, so a study came out on dairy fat and it showed that people who eat more fat from dairy Have lower risks of heart disease That's completely like the opposite of what they've been pounding is complete opposite the opposite lead opposite yet another example Complete that one on the board And I'm like when you see stuff like this like and you and then you you wonder why people are Skeptical and don't just go for it. I tell them what okay go further What oh what all that was said and what was the the big difference that they found today than what we were talked Well, it says research researchers track dairy fat intake in over 4060 year olds and they followed the participants for 16 years and Found that older adults with higher blood concentrations of fatty acids from dairy were less likely to have heart disease Consuming more dairy fat was not linked with an overall increased risk of death, which is it's not just new information It's exactly the opposite of what we were told forever We were told that dairy fat was among the worst fat A lot of it was saturated. I mean I've heard that in a lot of these documentary these vegan documentaries as well I mean they they attack that that point hard. So that's gonna like uproot a lot of that Momentum, I mean, it's again a lot of this is propaganda base and everybody's cherry picking to find studies that they can identify, you know to fit their narrative, but this is just Another example, you know when I hear it when I hear a study like that it it reminds me of the The coffee cigarette one, right? Yeah, so I always, you know, take that with a grain of salt like okay Yeah, that's a very extensive study 4,000 some people 16 years. That's incredible But right away the way my brain starts working is like, okay Are there things that are in common with people that tend to drink dairy on a regular basis? That's a great point. I'll make an example that's probably not true in this situation But like okay or of those 4,000 people how many of them work in a farm or a dairy and maybe Their their health benefits have more to do with their labor all day long They're outside catching sun they're doing something laborious for some bacteria Yeah versus a you know soy kid engineer who's sitting at a computer desk under fluorescent lights all day long the opposite Right who thinks that dairy milk is going to kill you So that would be what I would want to know more detail about now what they try to do with these studies They try to control for all these things, but of course it's impossible to be perfect now Here's the the counter to that The counter to that is because it's been mainstream media to say that dairy fat is unhealthy and it's been that way for At least two decades if not longer It's probably closer to three decades right if you figure when they were saying that fat was bad actually starting the 80s So we're talking about 30 You know three to four decades We've been hammered that dairy fat is bad for you So I would imagine that the relationship is the opposite that people who weight more dairy fat Anyways didn't care about health Because they weren't listening to the mainstream narrative And so they're I would imagine that the the correlation would be the opposite where people who ate more dairy fat Were less likely to care about their health because they're less likely to listen to mainstream, you know advice around dairy fat So, but I don't know it's very interesting now There's lots of studies that show that dairy fat is perfectly fine and healthy for you There were studies that show which I agree with by the way. I'm you know, I'm just playing devil's advocate here Oh, there was that one study that showed that fat free milk Was worse for you than than whole milk Yeah Because the way it affected insulin and blood sugar and stuff like that Well, not only that but you start to pull out all the the healthy things that are in it when you start doing that too, right? So totally yeah, and I mean fat. I mean I grew up drinking fat free garbage milk That's like it's like white water. Yeah, like what the hell There's going on more cases for cheese is all I'm saying You see you see what's happening here you guys Yes, I do. He's not gonna give up on that Speaking of milk, uh, I've been uh making the Organified Gold Juice like pumpkin spice lattes I've been doing it for my kids. You don't use milk though. Do I don't because I can't have dairy. Yeah So I use yeah, we've been making those too. Have you but with milk. Yeah With milk. Yeah. Oh, okay. So I haven't done it with I've done it with almond milk froth in there. It's so good I bet it's better. Yeah, I taste it a little bit. It's incredible I do it with macadamia nut milk or with almond milk. That's a dug. You're more of a macadamia nut milk, right? Yeah, that's my favorite. So you macadamia. I'm almond most of the time. What are you? Are you coconut or you because I know you I'll do almond macadamia or coconut kind of evenly But but can you like you keep all three in your refrigerator? You're not consistent with one No, when I go to the grocery store, we'll grab one or the other Yeah, but what are you more consistent with that was a question probably almond milk I would say yeah, okay, so that's me too and you're dairy straight up You don't waste your time. I ain't chugging no nut milk. I'll just tell you that right now I will have I will have dairy that too because we have we have sure we have uh, you know Whole milk in there for for max when he has milk. So I'll have it ever occasionally So I'll still I'll still have it every now and then but I've told you guys before what I notice is if I have Multiple things of dairy in the day bothers you then it bothers me. I can have it You know intermittently, but I can't have it consistently and lots of well I I go on and off uh with the the gold juice But when I do at night, I do get better sleep. It's a clearly I get better sleep and I'm less inflamed What do you think what what compound in it you think is most beneficial because I know it has several things in it Is it you said reishi is in that? Yeah, turkey tails in there Which is another mushroom. Um, they're both relaxing and then it's got the um, what's it called that yellow? turmeric turmeric, thank you does And I and turmeric and curcumin, uh, especially if you take it with the fat and it's absorbed properly Incredible anti I like it for anti-inflammatory reasons. Yeah, especially Man, my body's been getting beat up a bit. Just you know hitting pads with the kids down there I've been so sore in my joints and everything. So it's been helping Do you when you give your son milk? Do you do regular whole homogenized or do you get the one that separates? Uh, we get that raw brand Where do you find it? I haven't I couldn't find it. Uh, I think katrina gets a whole foods I want to say you get it too. Don't you have you know raw milk? Yeah, it's it's a brand called raw milk Hmm. Yeah, we're not actually raw. Don't you remember? It's raw container Whole food stops selling raw milk. Oh, wow. Oh, so that's not whole food. She gets it from you guys They sent us some stuff. I brought it up on the show and they sent it over to us that brand I believe it's wrong. That's the one I used to do all the time. I like that. Yeah, I love it Yeah, no, it's great. Yeah, because I couldn't find any so I just went with the non-homogenized Yeah, I'll have to ask Katrina. I don't do the grocery shopping. So she's she gets it from somewhere I I don't think we have to go anywhere special though. I think they it's either it's either at safe way If it's not at whole foods, it's at one of the normal places Did you did you know that if you pasteurize milk and you feed it to like calves That they don't they they end up with nutrient deficiencies and issues Yeah, because they need the night the digestive enzymes that come with it digestive enzymes the bacteria Yeah, all that stuff and then here's another thing raw milk from healthy cows. If you leave it out It doesn't go sour. Yeah. It turns into what does it turn into key for key? Yeah, it doesn't go sour though So it's only the pasteurized shit that goes bad. It looks so, you know, if we had it like in grocery stores It would look so weird. It almost looks like brown blue Yeah, bluish brown like it has just a weird off tent you you if you were to shake it in a jug It would like stick on the sides and it's all that's right. You worked and I forgot Yeah, no, I used to be able to taste the difference of like if they got any different patch of like Like what was it in the point dynamite where they're like, oh, I taste the The onion and you can taste the difference between you can tell taste the difference between like a jersey and a holstein cow Like different breeds of cows. I would say yeah, yeah, you can taste like a little bit of difference I don't think I do they look different those two breeds. Oh my god They look way different the brown ones are jersey the holsteins are black and white So jerseys are significantly smaller. That's actually what I worked So the dairy I worked on was were jersey cows and they produce yo, adam They're I want to say they're like laundry on average. They're like two and I correct me if I'm wrong. I'm sure somebody will Uh, I think jerseys do about two to three gallons of milk a day And a holstein will do like four to six gallons of milk a day per cow So they they they're quite a bit bigger And so most people go holstein because holstein cows produce more in in turn probably make more money But jersey milk it tends to be a little bit richer and people like really yeah I wonder which one is higher in the a2 proteins. You guys have heard of this the oh, there's a brand. It's called that can bruise Uh, oh six gallons of five percent butterfat milk each day. Okay. Yeah, the the you know, the eight There's there's a a to compare it to a holstein dog Yeah, look at that. They have the proteins called a2 apparently are supposed to be easier to digest Isn't there a milk brand called that? Yeah, they like bred the cows to produce primarily that Oh, interesting. Yeah. So what does that say there Doug nine gallons? Yeah, wow So like I mean, I guess I had the ratio pretty close, right, but the so nine to six Yeah, that's that's quite a bit. That's a productive cow right there. Anyway, are you Have you guys seen the new star wars series that came out on disney the anime? Oh, you sent that over. I didn't get a chance to check it out yet. I know you're a big anime guy Well, okay, so I don't mind. I don't mind Good anime. I think it could be very interesting. So what they did was is they had different production studios Do animated star wars stories, none of them are canon So they're all kind of like veer off star wars, but they stick to kind of like the universe And you get to see like different production companies and different stories and different animation styles Now, I know you guys I know you guys's opinions on anime. Most of them are like that you won't like most of them But the first episode is sick. You guys have to watch the first one. Really? Yeah, it's like it's like samurai Slash star wars sweet and the way that they organize it and depict it. Well, I mean very stylistic That's what lukas pulled from is is that whole samurai Culture, you know, like you take a lot of that in the helmets and You know in the sword fighting styles and all that kind of stuff. So bro, it's Okay, did you guys ever watch afro samurai? Do you guys remember that? Yeah, did you watch it? It was really cool. Yeah, you like that. Oh, yeah, that's cool. Okay. So the first episode is like that Except it's it's in black and white watch those like in flux and you know, and all that the really weird interesting Animation I was into that. Okay, then you'll like it then and then marvel has one that came out called what if which is It's the you know, you guys familiar with the watcher. He's like a marvel character Anyway, he's like this universal god I thought the watcher was from dc. No, no marvel. Oh, and uh, you might are you thinking of the watchman? Oh, yeah Yeah So the watcher is like this character that Observes the universes because there's multiple and so there's alternate bigger than Thanos Apparent. Yes. Like some. Yeah, like galactic. Was that one the other one galactic? Or yeah, I know who you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway in this series It's actually kind of smart each episode is an alternate universe where something else happened So like one episode is like what if Thor never had a brother? What if he was an only child of what does that look like? It's actually a funny one He's like the spoiled party like college frat kid who goes to different planets and like wreaks havoc You guys his wives get turned on when you guys talk about this stuff Just out of curiosity Dude, I Hey speaking of Sahara Desert and dry so I did you see in our private forum The uh, Sean I forget what the last what Sean's last name is. I know it's Sean I don't remember his last name But he did a picture of his before and after oh there it does pull over Sean Oliver So he did a picture of his hands before and after using caldera I know how nuts is that because I talk about it with my psoriasis and he goes I don't know if I have psoriasis what but he has like this really yeah, really really dry Chafed the crazy right and then it went from that to normal. What's the time frame in the pictures, Doug? Does it say he says there are 10 apart? So I don't know if that's days probably 10 weeks 10 weeks I don't know. Yeah, I don't I don't know 10 days would be insane If he had that that quick because it takes a little while for me to see a difference with my psoriasis When I'm when I'm consistent with it, but that's crazy though, right the difference Yeah, you know, it's funny. We of all the the partners we I know you we that was the one we were like, um, you know skin care oil I mean, how's it if you think of your skin is like the largest organ in your body You know, it's kind of one of those things like it I just think it's it's it's new as far as Men adopting this like women have been taking care of their skin forever. Yeah, and it was Like dudes are like most dudes are like Justin were for the most part and it's kind of changed some dirt on it Well, it's just changing and they're making there They're starting to mark it to men that like dude You could you could use product like this and still take care of your skin Just because you're mad doesn't mean you don't need to do this or it doesn't help to do this Your man doesn't mean you don't have to be radiant Wow, look at the radiance coming off his face right now, dude I'll tell you what so amazing though. I I want to bring up something that I just it's um It's interesting at the say the least and Sal sent over a a text message in the in the thread and I have to give you credit because And I don't know if you did it on air So that's why I want to give you credit because we definitely talked about it off air many times Because I remember when there was a little bit of controversy around Mind pump when we didn't jump on the bandwagon of posting black squares when everybody posted a black square right away with the whole BLM movement And I remember clearly you sal saying just you know Just wait watch what's going to happen when they no longer Need this group to support what their their movement or what they're trying to do They're going to throw them out or wait when you see this uncontrollable group ends up Doing things that is counter or opposite of what they want them to do And here you have the left to attach themselves To the to there use that whole movement to probably oust freaking Trump and now they are coming out and they're protesting again, but guess what they're protesting right now vaccine mandates Yes saying that it's racist Well, okay, so so let's back up for a second So I have a lot of friends that are that are like Conflicted very conflicted right now Right, so it's happening in new york and they're threatening ideologies. They're threatening like serious upheaval If new york doesn't lift their vaccine mandate now, here's their their their point Is that a majority that a disproportionate majority of people Who choose to not vaccinate are minorities? um, and and so Many of these minorities now are excluded From businesses not only that but lockdowns and all these all these policies Disproportionately hammered minority-owned businesses and all that stuff So blm came out and said if you don't lift these mandates Um, because they're racist we're gonna have this big deal So here's the deal with with with blm now the the sentiment black lives matter obviously is true Of course black lives matter, but the group is is is a it is a marxist Philosophy group that by the way, too There's still people that think that's some sort of a rumor or no, it's true You can literally youtube that and there's there's a there's a video of her Saying the one of the the three girls that leads that group that says that we are trained marxists. Yes, they are trained marxists And I mean I saw this early on marxism as a philosophy essentially is about um valuing the collective over the individual So it's about group identity over individual identity It's about a it's about attaching characteristics to a group If you're this group then this is you're you're the problem if you're this group then you're the victim and You know so on and so forth But I could see it clearly when all that stuff was happening right during election season That they were you know quiet, uh, the political party was certain certain political party very quiet or Outwardly supporting them because it helped them uh politically it was very expedient And I knew you are feeding a monster and at some point this monster's gonna come and it's gonna it's gonna turn on you And it is so now what are they gonna do like how do you turn on a group that you made look so virtuous and so good That now is saying vaccine mandates which you support so wholeheartedly. Yeah our racist very interesting And this is by the way, this is like paul. This is which is a major major push right now. I mean that is the every single Conversation leads in that direction because it's so important Y'all made your bed now. You got to sleep in it. Oh man By the way, I agree with blm not that they're racist But that the vaccine mandates should be lifted and I do want to clarify People they you know, we we talk a lot about freedom and liberty and people are like, well, you're not free to get other people sick And I get that that's that's because people have a fundamental misunderstanding Of what it means to be free. So there's two sides of this one is You are you are free to choose what you put in your body Okay, and nobody should be able to force you to do otherwise On the other end of that a business owner is free to say you can't come into my business This is and this is all jives. This is all Consistent with liberty now what isn't consistent with liberty is when the government comes who has the power to legislate fine And jail and all that stuff and says hey you groups of people that want to voluntarily Meet with each other you can't do that unless this person does this thing and sorry You can't let them in otherwise. That's anti freedom now people may say well What about everybody else who's at greater risk because of unvaccinated people You are free to put yourself at risk or not And you are free to go to businesses that say vaccinated only or avoid businesses that allow people who are unvaccinated So the freedom and liberties on do everything online at home Yeah, but the the liberty is on you that's all consistent So and it what's what sucks is that you have people on either side Like the people are saying well businesses can't say that they can't let me in that's not freedom Actually, it is they own their business They can say what the hell they want if they don't want to service you Then that's up to them and then the other side's like oh well they should be forced if they're gonna know that's also So what's your theory on what's gonna happen? How's this gonna unfold? Do you think that I mean mine is that you're gonna see the left condemn blm now Right, so they they were supporting them and helping it is but I think it's if if blm continues to push This okay, and in new york first then california will probably be next and if you start seeing more and more cities jump on the mandate Then I would imagine you're gonna see blm continue to rise up on this and try and make a statement And so it will force I think the left to have to come out and say something. Yeah, I I don't know I don't know anything. I just ignore them. Well, I think that's probably this probably the smartest pet is It just pretend like it doesn't exist. Yeah, because I Okay, so I try to think of this politically What would I do like if I had if I was a political strategist? How in the hell would I ignore you'd have to just ignore? Yeah, how would I counter that now? I know what I would do if I was on the opposite team Run away from interviews like we've seen everything else so far Well, yeah, I know what I would do if I was on the other side as I would I would be like this is hilarious And I would say in fact some points are true, you know a big You are shutting down a lot of minorities from going into businesses. Isn't that strange? You know kind of play that you know that same game, but I don't know man I don't know what they do, but this is a monster that they Help grow. I mean, that's how my friends are handling it all my friends that were all supportive on that side that I'm messaging So with that I just crickets You know saying because nobody knows what to say what to say back to it because they by the way, you know I don't blame virtue I don't blame people for being skeptical, especially minorities. I don't blame them There's a history of minorities being injected with shit that made them sick that they were told Wouldn't I mean you look up the tuskegee Experiments like it was a wonderful example for example. So I I don't blame Minorities being like I'm gonna hold off or I don't know if I trust, you know, what's going on I don't blame. I'm not saying that the right Just saying I don't blame them. Yeah Real quick. I hope you're enjoying the podcast head over to masszymes.com forward slash mine pump. So that's m a s s z y m e s dot com forward slash mine pump They make the best digestive enzymes you'll find anywhere. Now. Why are these important? 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Yeah, well, okay So first off obviously to build muscle you have to be in at least somewhat of a surplus. So that's not Entirely correct, but I I do get a lot of questions about this is like You know, some prisons don't even have equipment They're eating, you know top ramen and tuna fish like how are they able to to build so much muscle and whatever and the the number one reason is Frequency and the second reason is consistency. They work out often and they work out a lot. That's not it either There's also still this misconception of what people what jacked is Uh, and we've talked about this on the show All of us have talked about when I got lean or when any of us got really lean. I got more jacked You look huge compliments than ever So the when you lean somebody out, we all ever even somebody who doesn't work out has got muscle They have shoulders. They've got pecs. They've got a back. They got legs. They've got a six pack Yeah, they've got all the they have that those muscles if you peel down all the body fat They look jacked. They'll look like they built a bunch of muscles. So there's there's a couple things going on here So it isn't always you rarely see a guy go into prison. Okay 185 and he comes out at 215 and jacked and that's also to say too I bet some of them get stuff Yeah, because they they found ways to get all other drugs I wouldn't be surprised if they found ways to get a whole like deep all inside there Yeah, uh for getting things on the outside But I think it's it's probably even shifted. I think that might have been the case like, you know decade or so back when You know, they did allow didn't they allow like, uh, weights and you know, and they're able to actually like, you know, have um Actual plates and everything in so but they removed that from a lot of the prisons not even all of them though This is California. Yeah, I'd say not all prisons are like that One of the biggest I think stupidest things they ever did I think uh, exercise is a great way to reduce depression anxiety, of course improve good mood It's a very positive way to build self-esteem give you some a little bit of purpose And it's an effective tool to take away if somebody messes up Um, so I think that was very dumb But here's the thing so I I had a couple people work for me in the past Who served some time and we actually talked about this and they said, you know They said you work out all day Like you wake up in the morning and you do push-ups pull-ups sit-ups It's like self preservation too. Yeah extra motivation there. It's like you break up your day with like three different workouts It's not like they go and work out for an hour You know three days a week. What else are you gonna do and literally one of my employees told me this He goes you work out and you read or you lose your mind So what I did all day was I worked out three times a day and I read all the time I read more books in prison than I'll ever read in the rest of my life But that frequency and that that frequent practice and that consistency especially when you're You know when you're when you're dogged about it, right? It's like I mean here for five years Uh, you know, what am I every day looks exactly the same? What am I gonna do? A lot of these guys, this is how they maintain sanity and if you practice exercises three times a day Every single day consistently and you don't overdo it and you're super consistent about it. You will build Strength and muscle. You just will and this is also the the potential. I mean, we're speculating on what Everybody does in prison and the reality is there's probably lots of different examples There's probably an example of somebody who smuggles extra calories in there. And so that's why he gets bigger There's maybe somebody who actually never worked out till they went to prison and now they have those newbie gains where Anything they do they're going to start to build a little bit of muscle regardless of their their calorie intake So there's the guy who is doing three days a week or three days Three times a three times a day every day training. So his frequency is up there So there's lots of reasons why this could be so and then there's the other one where they could be getting drugs too You know, there's a very good chance that some of them are taking steroids in there So, you know, if you'd have to give me the exact person and then me be able to assess What I think from that so all those though are major factors I mean all those things can result in someone building an incredible physique. I don't think it's a like One size fits all like oh, this is what they're all doing in prison. It's like, well, there's probably this potentially going on This could potentially be going on. How do you know, they're not smuggling more food, too? That's what I said. Yeah, exactly. I said that is a possible variable Like better believe some people are getting calories sometimes they've traded So they'll they'll play games and then cigarettes or packets of tuna. Yeah, really popular. Yeah Imprisoned protein powder. They're not gonna surplus is kind of like it's just yeah And I would make the argument that most of these the the guys that we're talking about and or girls that get jacked the definition of jacked is Is But showing more muscle definition, you know, and so a lot of them probably just lean out and a lot of them Probably lean out because they're eating low calorie only three meals a day and moving and exercising all day Well, one of the guys that I again one of my employees they would be locked down for a majority of the day So a majority of the day You were stuck in your cell and then they would let each person out for like an hour or two a day And literally that's what he said. He goes the way you keep your sanity Is you break up your day with exercises and I'm like in your cell and he goes. Oh, yeah You do pull-ups on the top bunk stand push-ups You do push-ups you do handstand push-ups you do sit-ups you do lunges He's like you do all kinds of you know creative exercises just to kind of maintain your sanity and you get really good At doing you ever seen barmen you ever seen guys that are really good on bars Okay, some of these guys in prison on bars are like gymnasts because for years This is what they practice every single day and they develop tremendous skill I feel like what prompted this question is the episode that we did not that long ago Because we got some stuff on youtube. We're a couple people that saw the clip. It's sort of practicing push-ups No, no, no we talked about how you don't if you're in order to build muscle You need to be in a calorie surplus Oh, I see and we got debate on on youtube a little bit So I think that I feel like that's where this is coming from because that was just recently like a week ago That's been like the one of the most recent contested things that we've said And of course everybody takes one piece of that and they try and run with it It's like there's there's always exceptions to the rule the exception to the rule Is somebody who hasn't lifted weights ever or hasn't in a very long time And even in a calorie deficit that person could potentially build some muscle I do want to make this point like never underestimate the ingenuity of people when they have nothing else to do I mean you have in prison you have a bit of a self-selection bias Supposedly not the smartest brightest people right go to prison and yet if you ever learn about the economics In the ingenuity the communication that they're in prison. It would blow your damn mind I mean they have ways of communicating through the toilets where they can go through the pipes where they can make their own alcohol They make tattoo guns They can make all kinds of different devices and ways to listen and communicate with each other and ways to smuggle things and They make up their own languages so you can write and code and stuff now why they're locked in a cell They have nothing else to do and so they just they're just disciplined focus on something Yeah, so imagine that with exercise or learning and how many people go to prison come out with a degree Or even a master's degree because they had nothing else I've read stories of people who actually built their cases and then and then Defended themselves or appealed their cases themselves right and they became lawyers themselves law Yeah, so never underestimate like what people are capable of when they have no other choice next question is from christian lynch 1084 what are some good glute exercises to add my to my leg day to give me a dump truck dump truck That we don't already have in all of our programming or that i mean because uh Well, here. Well, let's let's need a refresher. Yeah, let's do some of the best butt exercise that hip thrusts are really good Barbell squats are really good deadlifts are really good single leg Bulgarian split squats. Yeah, really good. You know mo deadlifts. Yeah, I like I tell you You know, I've been good mornings I've been doing hip thrusts now a little bit more consistently and man that really you're a big hip thrust guy Yeah, it really pumps my glutes up like crazy Well, I'll take the power version of that with like a heavy kettlebell swing as well You know, you can get creative with that, but uh, yeah, it's just it's it's varying it to make sure that You know, you're getting exposure. It's a lot different to stimulus I also think we should highlight what's wrong with this question though Like that's it's not that simple of not right to call it a dump truck That's not what I mean by this It may also not be that you're uh missing something in your exercise routine is is why you're not building a butt Right I mean if that's if you're struggling with that and you've you're trying a lot of the movements We already did it's it may not be like oh, it's you're missing the the exercise that is going to be a game changer for you There could be something wrong. You may have a poor connection to your glutes That's that's more common than than not more often than not I have clients that are just quad dominant because we are everything so forward on us That when they go to do a lot of these movements that the quads are involved with the quads take over the movement That's really really common. So we just listed off a bunch Now there's a few of them in there that do a better job hip thrust being one of them Good mornings that tend to isolate the posterior chain better But a lot of some of your best butt exercises There's still some quad In it and if you are a quad dominant person and you do you can do a ton of these exercises The quads are going to take over over the movement and you're not going to build the glutes very much Yeah, in fact, I had a conversation with a dug about this this morning because he was talking about how he's glute dominant So he's the opposite and he's trying to develop his quads So he's starting his leg workouts with like quad dominant knee extension kind of based exercises And then saving the glute stuff for the end If you're quad dominant, you do the opposite There's there's there's no rule that says you can't start your workout with hip thrusts And with good mornings and then move over to the other exercises like squats You could totally do that and you'll get more development or your glutes that way Well, this is where I have value or find value in those movements That I think we make fun of all the time when you see someone doing the you know the little But what do they call kick donkey kicks or whatever or fire hydrants and these these little body weight leg exercises to isolate the glutes Well, if that is your reasoning like if that if like dug has there's lots of value to dug doing that or excuse me Not dug because dug's a good dominant somebody who's not glute dominant that's quad dominant coming in doing these little Isolation exercises to to feel in their butt and to get a little pump in there and then go Prime it ahead of time. Yeah, didn't go do squats then go do deadlifts That makes a lot of sense to do that not to fatigue the glutes in that type of a movement But to get better activation and a pump there before you go do the big lifts Next question is from I am your man's 666 wet dream. Wow It's a bold name. That's confident. Yeah, what do you think about bench pressing with feet off the floor? I would say dumb until Sal started telling people to do it. No I you do not no do not bench press With your feet off the floor unless you're going to do a what's called a guillotine press variation In which case you have to have good shoulder mobility good still stability. It's an advanced exercise and there's a reason for that It brings the chest down elbows flare out you get more upper chest activation If you're bench pressing like a traditional bench press and you take your feet off the floor You're not bench pressing anymore. You've created a brand new exercise And it's not a good idea your stability comes from your lower body When you're bench pressing taking the feet off the floor, you know why that started by the way back in the day I know I did it back in the day Well, the reason why it started was because guys would cheat when they bench they push their butt up off the bench So people they take your feet off the floor now. You can't cheat all of a sudden Well, okay, the just don't push your butt off the bench and you're okay So that's not why I did it when I was a trainer and I will admit this I taught this it was terrible. It was in the height of the the the core movement, you know It was all about corporate the core. Yes. So that was it was that okay We're doing bench press and I was all about you know Incorporating more core work into all my other movements And so anytime that I can challenge instability in an exercise I in my eyes as a trainer back then it was a superior movement We're not only are we working the chest but now we're challenging that core and I used to have this pitch that The you know, you have two the most important muscle in your body is your heart without it You're dead the next most important muscle is your core So everything is about the core and in trying to challenge that in every movement So the thought process for me stemmed from that early on as a trainer pushing the core all the time It's a terrible idea. I remember when you brought up on the podcast talking about the guillotine press I'm like, oh god Sal If you share this now, we're gonna have people going and doing this and most people doing it just they have No business doing it. There's no reason for you to try and do that movement super novelty exercise Yeah, and you and you got you need to have been trained for a very very long time like Sal Understand biomechanically well got great form and have already done all the other exercises that are superior to that movement Before playing with it if you're an advanced lifter you get all that by all means have fun You know and there's lots of exercises you can play with but I would never teach a client today Putting your feet up on the bench because Of the simple fact of what you just said you put your feet up And it flattens the back when it flattens the back It also naturally starts to protract people's shoulders forward, which every Everybody plus you lose all your ground forces Yeah, I mean that's for lifting for power and stuff like that that makes sense But I'm talking about just for even just a louder signal like like if it's a true compound lift You know, you got to incorporate your whole body Sure, sure, but I that's not even the number one reason why most people don't feel it in their chest when they press It has nothing to do with their feet. It has everything to do with their their shoulders and with the position Yeah, yeah Almost every client that I ever did a bench press with at least 80 percent of them Did not fill it in their chest when we first started doing it They fill in their shoulders and their arms and that that is because they do not know how to retract Depress the shoulders keep them in that position while they bench press in order to do a machine I guess is my point like if that's your focus like go do a machine press like The the beauty of it is that you know, you're going to incorporate your legs And that's going to be a big part of like amplifying that signal So now I can actually load You know substantially more weight because I'm incorporating the fact that my entire core and my legs are driving You know in in in implementing that into the press So it's it's a lot more going on You know, then it just looks like I'm pressing this weight off my chest You're actually making the bench press less effective When you take your feet off the floor unless again, you're doing a variation a specific novelty You know very strange variation In which case you really need to know what you're doing, but otherwise it just makes the bench press less effective So you take your feet up Okay, you've reduced the effectiveness of a great exercise, you know congratulations That's basically what you've done is well, yeah Then it becomes like I was doing which was not a good idea is it now becomes a better core exercise And it becomes a better chest exercise so that I mean and that was the thought process for me, which was silly and not a good idea But I really want to do that just press on a physio ball. Yeah, I mean I think Justin's point is right But I don't think that's the main argument to make here the main argument to make is that Most people have a hard time using their chest when they bench press Taking your feet up off the ground is only going to make that hard. It's not going to make it easier more effective Yeah Next question is from nicky the vizsla How did you guys get connected to start mine pump? Yeah, you know, I would Not talk about the story along do you remember what sal used to say all the time every single time swipe, right? Yeah That was like it. Yeah, it was like for I remember I think dug finally said something I think you should tell that story different because you share that every time That's not what happened. I'm gonna bring it back though because you hadn't said it in such a long time We didn't see each other on grinder or whatever. No, it's uh, I picked this question because we're we haven't talked about a long time We have a large new audience, especially on youtube that kind of they asked this question quite a bit. Yeah In the comments, um, you know, it's it's it kind of goes way back, but it really started because You know back in the day, you know, I managed gyms I worked for a very large fitness company Probably considered a high performer and you would always hear about other high performers in the company It was a large company. This was 24 fitness and in those days The company had like three or 400 locations and you knew about the other high performers By name the people that you would you know that would be mentioned And I would occasionally hear Adam's name being brought up. He was a fitness manager and he was One of the top ones in the company. You were also in the same not district But the same region and so I'd hear your name pop up here, but that was about it Um, nothing else, but then as the years went on it was very strange I I would have people come up to me Who knew adam and they would and I remember the first time this happened actually happened with a trainer that worked for me Name was amber. You know who she is and she comes up to me. She goes. Have you ever met adam Schaefer? I'm like, no, I think I know who he is. I think I've heard of him. Oh, you guys need to work together You guys should meet you guys. Oh my god. You guys will work great together. It was a weird thing to say Yeah, because uh, you know, I never knew him, but I said, okay Well, anyway, this happened maybe five more times With five other people happened with jason happened with larry and a couple other Random people so his name Stuck in my head because of that. It's a very strange thing to hear from anybody. Oh, you got to meet this person You guys should work together very strange, right? So anyway fast forward Years later. I had my private personal training kind of health and wellness studio And at the time I was really doing lots of research into the medicinal effects of marihuana. I had a family member That had cancer and I was trying to help them and help alleviate some of the issues with the chemotherapy and that kind of stuff And on facebook, I saw that adam was on there and this is when adam You had the cannabis clubs And so I I've been like, oh, let me ask him some questions. I was doing lots of research So I messaged him through messenger on facebook I don't even know if it was messenger back then but I messaged him And then him and I talked about marihuana Strains and cannabinoids and stuff like that and you know, and I thought that was kind of cool Like, oh, we have kind of similar background, but that was rare back then too. By the way, that's I think that's a point Nobody in fitness Yeah, that was you were the first person that I met that I respected in the fitness space That I thought was very intelligent and then also was kind of pro cannabis. It was kind of taboo in our space Yeah, so we and that was it right that's kind of ended there and then um, I met dug and and dug actually came into my gym and hired me um as his trainer and You know long story short. He had back problems was referred to me by a chiropractor And I trained him and I trained dug dug was not inexperienced dug was actually very experienced very knowledgeable Probably one of the most knowledgeable clients I'd ever worked with In fitness because it'd been a passion his for since he was a kid But I'd flipped a lot of what he had known on its head and he came to me and I said I'm only gonna train you twice a week That's all we're gonna do Let's start with that and I remember your reaction was like just twice a week like I don't need to do more to build muscle I said no, no, let's start with that We're gonna do full body We're gonna focus on these basic exercises We're not gonna train to failure all the stuff we talk about on the podcast And as I was training dug his body was just and dug literally thought he was a hard gainer He's like I am a hard gainer. I don't build muscle Well, if you know dug now, you know, he's not a hard gainer. You know, he's got he's a really strong guy And he responded very well and he came to me Probably six months or a year into this and he he came to me once and he goes, you know what Sally goes If you ever have something that you want to try to sell online Let me know because I could put it together for you. I think it would work really well I like the way you present things and you communicate fitness And that stuck with me and I thought god, you know, I've always wanted to write a book It's what I wanted to do. I want to write a book But I went home and thought about it and one day I was up late and I'm reading these studies and I this one I created maps anabolic And I bring it to dug and I said this is the program. I think I want to sell But I want to test it on people. I'm going to test some of these theories on you on other clients I'm going to send it to other trainers Doug took it took it and created this online platform and he talked me into Doing, you know, instructional videos, which I had no intention of ever doing I never had been in front of a camera doing that stuff So I did it and we did this huge sales video and this all this stuff And we had all this stuff together and I said I want More opinions on what we're doing and then I remembered Adam said, you know what Adam people have been telling me to work with them forever He's obviously a high performer smart guy He's in fitness And he definitely came across as very blunt and honest back then which was a very accurate, you know, just Assessment that hasn't changed. Yeah. I know and so I figured if it sucked he would tell me and I appreciate that so I sent it to him and then Adam called me on the phone and then Invited me to his house and then we all sat down and met and literally that's how my imp�� started We all sat down and met And from the gates literally as soon as we sat down It was non-stop conversation about the fitness industry the the misdirection of it All the crap that's in it how we communicate Fitness and health, you know, why we would want to do podcasting because there were low barriers to enter and nobody would tell us What to do we didn't have to Sell a product just to you know mention what we wanted to we could say whatever we wanted And so literally that's how we started and then I remember telling him, you know, Doug My partner he's got recording equipment because this was a hobby of Doug's I think we could do this and we literally started it. I think like the next week It was the next weekend that Doug said hey, I've got the stuff we could just try it and see what happens And we started it in your house literally recorded it And I think it was at the kitchen table or or the counter and Doug put up the camera and that was the first Mind pump episode and that was it. Well, you know one memory that comes to mind was when we launched the podcast I think we dropped how many episodes that we dropped at first was it five or At least three was it threes like that? Yeah, we dropped the episodes I'm training my clients remember all of us had our day jobs or whatever And I'll never forget I had my phone in my pocket and it's just buzzing like crazy And I look at my phone and it's adam and I put him to voicemail put it back in my pocket It starts buzzing again pull it out. It's adam again voicemail This happened like three or four times. I'm with a client like shit, man So I tell my client hold on one second. I got to get this call It's obviously important. I go outside And Adam's like bro go to iTunes right now. I'm like, okay, and he goes check new and notable So I go to the section and we were right there Listed as a new and notable and I was like, oh, shit. I think we have something. Yeah So it's really really good time with uh, but you know one more cool thing to add I think that it's that it's unique to the the four way partnership is that um, You know Justin, uh, I think god. I don't remember what year it was Justin maybe oh six. When did you would you got away from college? Yeah? Yeah, somewhere around there. Yeah, so Justin um, I I got him fresh out of college with his kines to come work for me as a trainer and um, we just We we connected so well because we are actually really different like uh, he had a lot of success as a trainer For the opposite reasons that I did I would say that the areas that I was weaker in as a trainer I found those were his strengths and so we made just a really good Team together and he quickly became my right-hand man assistant at the clubs I transferred to another club and took him with me Um, and we went on to do some really great things uh in those places and then we went our separate ways He he left the company went on to do his own thing privately And uh, I went on to marijuana to do my own thing But always remained in contact just checking up on each other and he was always like wanting to do something With me he's like come on we should do this and I'm like, ah, I'm yeah, I'm digging this male I'll pull him back into fitness dude. I knew I would at some point Yeah, he was always coming down and pitching me on the the new idea that he wanted to do and and I'd say Yeah, I like that. Justin the closer. Yeah, he would always be showing up and telling me this stuff Well, we used to crush I mean The the environment was nothing like I'd ever been in in terms of like, you know having a job It was like just constant fun But I mean we put numbers out there that like the company hadn't seen and it was just like the culture That was created and and just working with adam was always like really super fun And it was like but we got after it, you know, and and it was it was it was remnant of when I was on a Really, you know a championship team It was very similar to that had that same dynamic And so I guess that I think I just always wanted to You know bring that back and figure out a way that we could like You know resurface that somehow. So I was just like Adam, what are you doing? You know, we're gonna get back to this or what, you know, and ironically we eventually did right, but what You know what ended up happening was I about two two and a half years or so somewhere around their give or take Um, I got I got tired of of marijuana and I've shared this story before where I had reached this this financial goal that I always had and I was actually really unhappy. I just um, I had deep pockets, but I had Relationships falling apart the girl I was dating had just cheated on me, which had never happened to me before My life with my my relationship with my family was in disarray. I was in the worst shape of my life So I was really like Unhappy I didn't like I no longer liked what I was doing and I missed fitness and at that same time Justin had this like fitness app idea And I had been kind of toying around with something similar that I wanted to do And so if you know, he would always be hitting me these ideas. I was like, you know what? Let's go have coffee I want to talk about some things and and so when we first met up I was like I was in a position at that time to be able to kind of financially support our idea And I was like, all right, you kind of run this I'll be the the finance the finances behind this and let's see what we could do So we started with the intention of building an app And then my goal was Justin was going to build all the technical stuff and then I was to go get the audience And so I instantly turned on youtube facebook and instagram Like the next day up into that point I didn't have any of those and the sole intention of starting all those platforms up were to Gain an audience to build an audience of people So we had people to potentially sell this app to and that was real And we were in the thick of that when you guys had already built maps and when we all got together So it just seemed like great center to eat and the crazy part about this We all went into business with each other without even laying out like who was going to get what money like if Sal and Doug sold this program through maps Would it be our money too or your money or if we sold this app would it be our money or like it was a lot of respect? Yeah, it's irony is like what we were actually doing back then we still do on a lot of levels like too and like So there's a whole page devoted to like, you know Exercises and like descriptions and like we were creating all that kind of stuff that you see in our maps programs now You know Sal had come up with the concepts that were very unique That people haven't you know focused on the the real main things that get you success And so it was like, oh, yeah, you figured that part out and it's like it just became this You know total synergistic Contribution I I like Justin obviously right away is very likable, but I know I had to win him over. I think Early on he's like who's this flashy. I'm a tough. I'm a tough one You know like especially if yeah, you got like verbal skills like you do That's I actually liked you more for that. Um, because uh, I know that you that's that's who you are You don't you're you're gonna be who you are and if somebody has to win you over Which was uh, yeah, it was it was a really interesting dynamic to see for You know serial entrepreneurs all leaders in their own right um Come together and with no real Real organization or business plan be able to come together on something and then it just I mean that's why I'm the one who or we all do believe this way, right? I just believe some things were meant to be and you know, they're I think we broke all the rules as far as how you start a business I don't think we did anything the way you were supposed to it was one moment. Um at least for me specifically I've said this before um, I haven't said in a while, but for me that was really pivotal And it was one we had another partner when we first started Mind pump that we were going to do this with and we recorded. I don't know 12 episodes filmed them edited them Remember we were new with this. So this was like a big deal. It was hard work We had a you know, this nice backlog or bank. I should say of of episodes Ready to launch and our this partner of ours who had the largest social media following by the way Adam had a small following at the time. I think you had like 20,000 followers Not even I think it was only like 10 back there Yeah, and this other person had something like I don't remember what it was 100 or 70 or something like that So we were relying on on this person's social media following And he comes out and he was sponsored by a supplement company And I think he sent some of the episodes to the supplement company and because we were so Honest and raw and whatever They said, um, I don't think it's a good idea raw that you work with these guys And so he he literally he dropped out he dropped out through text. Hey guys, can't do this We had to scrap 12 episodes and I I remembered I literally remember the day I had my phone in my hand fully prepared To get on the phone and motivate Adam Justin and dog to continue with mine pump because I thought for sure they'd want to stop And I'm like no I got to get them motivated and I get on the phone And before I could say anything it was either Adam or Justin that was like Fuck it. We're gonna we're gonna make new episodes and do it ourselves And I remember hearing before I could even get a word out and it gives me the chills because I was like Oh, shit. This is this is gonna be good. These guys these guys are the guys That I think I want to work with and this is gonna be pretty awesome And there's a bit more stuff that's happened since then that yeah, but to that to reinforce it That is probably the root of it all Yeah, because when you think of when I explain this to people like there was no doubt that None of us None of us thought we were good at this like nobody was like Nobody was like, oh, I'm so good. Like we're gonna be great And it was like The thing that we all had in common and that we had built in all of our previous years of experience and building other businesses was that We're probably gonna suck We're probably gonna fail a lot. Um, and you know what like let's just let's just outwork everybody Let's do it a lot and let's get back up and just and so when back then it was advised You do like one episode a week and start slow and we came out the gauge Just let's see how much we can put out there because we knew that the reps were were This is where we were gonna get better like we knew we were terrible And we but we would we could get better if we just poured everything into this and just kept going and kept going and really that's a testament to How this thing was built was by no means do I think that any of us were talented in this arena at all But but we knew that we were very well aware of that going Yeah, we were all willing to just be sucky for a while. Yeah, that's that's the key right there We less suck now. Yeah Look if you like this show if you like our content head over to mind pump free.com and check out all of our guides Right, so we have guides that can help you build muscle or burn body fat improve your fitness and health Reduce pain. We even have guides for personal trainer Again, it's mind pump free.com. You can also find all of us on instagram Justin is at mind pump Justin. I'm at mind pump sal and adam is at mind pump adam