 How confident? 100%. 100%. Yes. By 100% I mean there's no way you could be wrong. There's no way we could be wrong. Absolutely true. Absolutely true. Absolutely true. No way you could be wrong on an extent. There's no way we could be wrong on a level. That's my audio levels. Okay we're good. So like anything that you find like personally motivating or like you circle your life around or like you think is a philosophy other people should follow those tend to be the most interesting conversations. If you want to talk about like the best Marvel movie that came out recently we could talk about that too. By the way I'm Ty so nice to meet you. Karla. I'm Francis. Francis. Karla and Francis. Yeah. Karla. With the C. With the C? This guy's got eagle vision. Karla and Francis are F. I'm super careful now. With the C. I S. Francis you can spell it with okay okay I'm gonna have to erase some of this stuff. Look at me. This is how prepared I am today. Very rarely do I have extra markers ready to go. Anyway like I said I have a five minute timer. Okay. And I like to talk to people about things that they really believe strongly is true something they're confident about. Is there anything like that for you? Yes definitely. I think we believe in helping others. Yeah and communication with everyone what you were just mentioning before. That's the only thing that helping others. Yeah. Okay and as a fair warning regardless of whatever you guys told me I tend to like just gently challenge it anyway so there might be some double advocate questions here. Please please do that. Like why help people. Yes. I'm just doing it to similar conversation anyway. So like five minutes helping people. Okay. All right so um what do you mean by helping people or what you said initially is very good but no matter what people look like no matter what their background, creeds, right country, language we should all be willing to break down these barriers and talk to one another. That's kind of what attracted me to what you said. How strongly do you believe that that's something that other people should do? Oh with all my being. So would you say then that you're like. Look who I married. Oh you guys are married. I was just about to say you got he's he lets you sit down that's a keeper. I wasn't going to throw it out there. I'm wondering um. Yeah so it's just like if everyone would do that and go outside their comfort zone just imagine how the world would be it would just be like one big family instead of all these different barriers that we put on. Yeah I'm wondering um so like from a scale from zero to 100% yeah and I'm just throwing this out like how confident are you that everybody should be out helping each other. How confident about others we don't know we hope that they would be better. But how confident are you that they would be better if they follow this philosophy? How confident? 100% 100% yes by 100% I mean there's no way you could be wrong. There's no way we could be absolutely true absolutely true absolutely true no way you could be wrong. There's no way we could be wrong because we go by the principle not by the simple laws of the matter because laws keep changing. Principles do not change. Principles don't change? No. Give me an example with principle. Okay let me give you an example. Yes please. Speed. Speed. When you drive around here what speed do you take? Uh I take I take different speeds as I go around that turn. Good. Yes. When you go to Richmond and you're on 75 what speed do you drive? I on camera I feel I probably shouldn't say this. You can drive up to 70. Legally. Legally. Not in front of me. But here's my thing to you those are the laws they've changed right depending on the circumstances yeah but to take care of speed never changes because if you were to drive the same 70 year you're going to have an accident right which will be pretty detrimental to others. Set on the highway you can too but the chances are less if you follow the laws. So laws keep changing but the principle of speed never changes because you take conscientious effort to follow that. So the principle is I'm minding the speed that I'm going at in concert with the people that are going around me so I don't have a bad impact on them. Right and the laws will change because the laws here will say 25 somewhere else it'll say 70 some other place it'll say 55. Just just on that principle idea before we get back to like the main topic there are people who get in car accidents still from going too fast. True. Is the principle is that them breaking the principle or is that them having a different internalized principle? So now we are looking at imperfections of people. We're not looking into a principle of the matter we're looking at imperfections of people. So the principle remains the same but the people who apply it are different. Or like they're they had a flat tire and you know like there's different things that happen. I get it. I think I get where you guys are coming from. I'm wondering though at 100% confidence this is going to sound weird but do you guys have a way to recognize if you are wrong that this may not actually be the best way that there might be a completely better way. Yeah look at the world. The world now is full of divisions and walls. So I would say the world is an example of why more people should help each other. Yeah but I'm wondering with the philosophy you have that it's good to help other people. You're 100% sure that it's right. Yes. What would you recognize? Are you able to recognize anything to lower you down on that confidence? No because we see it on a regular basis. Is that your answer too? With the people we react with and the people that we know from a variety of countries no matter where they are from when they follow the same thing we do we've always had peace and harmony and complete, complete what I would say is an absolute way of being friends. I want to throw something out. Yes. If you're not able to recognize what it would look like if you were wrong how can you be so confident that you're right? Because the only right thing that we have is the principles of the Bible. Oh we went to a completely different direction. You've got to have some sort of a guiding light. That's kind of where our basis is starting from. Our basis is always there. An example was the perfect man Jesus. The foundation is helping people. The foundation is the Bible. What did Jesus do? Okay okay okay I'm catching up. And it should mold your life if you're going to follow something and if you mold your life and you see the benefits from it then you want to keep doing it. Can I throw something out? Yeah please do. Is it possible for different groups of people who don't have the Bible to still help each other? Absolutely. Do you really need the Bible as your foundation then to help people? Well you need to have some sort of solid background to follow it because we are so imperfect. But if the background is different, if that foundation is different for different people and they still help each other, is that really the foundation? Well then it depends right? I'll tell you I'll give you a basic idea. In this country you have so many people who say they believe the Bible and yet there's so much problems. Why? A lot of them call themselves Christians but yet they have so many differences. When it comes to a falsehood of who they're going to follow they look at men and they have certain things about issues about whatever it is about nationalism or flag or anything. They're always looking at going that direction rather than looking at the Bible where it talks about peace, talks about love, talks about justice, talks about unity, talks about mercy. All those qualities are all thrown aside because you start believing in this fundamental idea. If you want to go that's totally fine. I guess I can wrap up that. So Carla and Francis, the principles that you just as a quick summary, the principles that you guys brought up was it's important to help each other. You guys are 100% confident that that is the right thing to do. When I asked if you were able to recognize or take to change your mind, you didn't give it or you weren't able to recognize anything? Would you say that's a fair statement? There's nothing that you can recognize that would change your mind. About what we know at least inform you that you might be incorrect. Oh, that we might be incorrect. No, we are totally you're absolutely confident. Do you think that I'll leave them this last question? Last question. Oh, what? So can you speak? What I guess was is someone is very confident that they're right but don't have a way to recognize that they're wrong. Is their confidence in being right justified? Very good. Very good question. Now, when we speak about being right, we are talking about following the way of Jesus. So we are perfectly imperfect in what we do. So we are trying to reach a point where we can continuously follow his footsteps. And along the way, we are wrong because we do mistakes. We make mistakes. We're always going to make mistakes. But the important thing we do is do we get up and correct those mistakes so we can still do the right thing? Okay. So when we look at the end of the line. So you guys aren't saying you're perfect? Oh, absolutely. But you have 100% confidence you can't be wrong. About the concept of what Jesus has said. So maybe like more, and I'm not putting what you're saying, but maybe like I'm 99.99999. Only in the fact that I'm an imperfect being. I'm as confident as I possibly can be. And we recognize that when we don't put our best foot forward and when we don't reach out, we see the end result isn't good. That seems like good evidence for it. So that helps me to be more confident that this is definitely the right direction. Okay, cool. Thank you guys so much. How long have you been studying Chinese? So at my last job, everyone, we are the only American in the group. Everyone is Indian or like Indians. It was 44 people there. So like I had to learn some basic stuff. Meridas is how I say my friend. So Merados. Merados. Merados. Very good. But your Chinese sounds like you. Yeah, I'm better with Chinese. I'm better with Chinese. Thank you. See you guys. Take care. Oh, thank you. Thank you.