 It sounds like it. Jerry, Steven, David, four out of six. Any changes to the agenda requested at this moment? I have one printed. There's one up there. So are there any public comments to be made? I guess I already made them before we were on the record. I didn't make them on the record. You had them recorded. Yeah, I want them in the video. You want them to be recorded again. I want the minutes that I'm raising this with the subcommittee as well as with the governing board in the last meeting that public records requests made and appeals to the head of the agency must be adhered to in accordance to the law if we're going to have a legitimate organization. And I asked the governing board members for support at the last meeting. And so far, I have seen no response from anybody nor has the policy been met to address. And the next governing board meeting is? Next Tuesday. It's the appeal of the head of the agency more than the records request. The appeal was made to the head of the agency, to Jeremy. And Jeremy did not reply to it. Either the first one or the second one. It's clear that the law is real clear. You have to do it within five days. And you have to either sustain a poll or reduce the records. And you have to notify them if you disagree. You have the right to go to the spirit court. And so I explained that to Jeremy. Appealed to the head of the agency for public records? Correct. OK. This will catch his attention in the fact that it's in the minutes. Would it not be in the minutes of the other meeting where you raised it? No. OK. Maybe we'll get out of here kind of early. Although I think we should weigh in and try to advise the policy committee when they do take up the public records exemptions. I had an exchange, just a personal email exchange with David because some of the brilliant analysis data mapping that he did, to me, might be the kind of stuff we want to discuss, whether it should be proprietary or not. If he's doing it on behalf of the organization or if he's just giving it to all our competitors. But that's a discussion for that issue. That's not a complaint. That's a discussion for that issue. OK. So then we can move on to the on the agenda for the DBA. That's you, right, Elliot? The DBA issue, right? All that work? Let me just, yes, please. You can fix that. I'm tired of him. OK. So I sent this around via email. I only print it off when copy. I apologize. But I did actually great. So basically, let's skip page one for now. And we'll go back to it. But basically, taking the suggestions that I heard. I mean, I didn't go back through the minutes, come through the minutes, and see every single suggestion. Just was like, this is what I basically heard, central for my internet, central for my fiber, central for my broadband, central for my telecom slash telecommunications as sort of like the things people have floated out. Control scroll. So basically, I took those concepts. And then what I did was I took the sort of elements of them, outlined the pros and cons of each element. I think probably practically do that with anything that we develop, break it down into its digital parts, and then sort of determine what the pros and cons are. I just realized that CV, since you had telecom in there, or TV telecom and telecommunications, CV telecom could be confused with Champlain Valley telecom. Oh, that's another, I think, clear con. I thought that was the weakest of the sort of options. Anyway, I don't know if we need to go through these. I'm happy to do it. I mean, I think that the core is, I think that the central Vermont prefix is actually fairly valuable. And just as an aside, I was sort of surprised as I went through this. I was like, oh, CV, central Vermont internet, central Vermont fiber, it's so stodgy and boring and not very marketing, sales-y, whiz-bang-y. But as I really thought about it, I began to recognize that I think that one of the strengths of these small, hyper-focused organizations is that they don't need to have sort of an umbrella where they're incorporating all these different models. We're providing internet. We're providing it in central Vermont. Those two things are true. And that's about it? And if you have that in the name, it's very clear to people who read it, that's what they're getting, right? So I sort of turned around to a, you didn't like Wicked Vermont? I liked Wicked Vermont. We'll get into that a little bit in a second, but basically, really quickly, internet, the pro is it's very clear what's being provided. The con is that many people have internet. I do perceive it as being a more lengthy word than fiber, for example. And it doesn't have a strong brand distinction. Internet is generic. There's many different types of internet. Yeah, go ahead. Throw in a couple of other factors with the use of the word internet. Internet under the new FCC open internet order, which is being challenged in federal court, in effect preempts state regulation. And I think I'd ask you to consider the vision where we are going to build a high performance network that's interconnected to the broader world internet, but we want to build a network that might carry some VPN service, that might carry public safety antennas. We might be doing more than that. So you're saying that you're agreeing with him. It's a weak choice of... Yeah, a weak choice of words with massive implications as to whether or not we can rely on the Public Utilities Commission to order redundancy, diversity of circuits, battery backup and so on. Yeah, I think it's not very strong. Fiber, I think it's very clear how the internet is being provided, right? It's being provided via a fiber line. How the network can be provided. Or whatever. I'm definitely not going to say we're providing a network to customers that would confuse the crap out of them. I'm confused already. Yeah, exactly. I just perceive that as being a non-starter. We're putting once and zeroes across a wire. That's the internet to the common consumer. And that's what we're doing. But anyway, it's common amongst comparable municipal networks. I think people are beginning to understand what EC-Fiber is. They're beginning to understand what a fiber network is. If we're in that category to get it. Maybe to check on consumers. Holds potentially restrictive in terms of organizations technology usage. I say holds the potential to me. Because I personally, and this is for discussion of this committee, I don't think that we necessarily have to. We could probably still call ourselves whatever fiber and have last mile service. I would think some last mile service in a different technology. Correct. I don't think your name holds you legally to do anything other than have that name. So your whole discussion about the FCC saying we're internet and we can't do this or that. That's just the name. We provide what we provide. The name is, you can't be held to your name. Broadband. Broadband communicates minimum speed available. Broadband is defined by a minimum, which I think is a potential pro. They know that it has a certain speed limit. They're still calling 10-1 broadband. Even though the FCC ruled that 25-3 is the minimum definition of broadband, they're still funding and justifying 10-1. Broadbands are a little too ambiguous. I do think it's ambiguous and I think that... I have broadband and it sucks. Many people have broadband. That's pretty straightforward. I used the term, the surface is poor in our little analysis. Yeah, exactly. That's a major con both with internet and broadband. People have DSL, they have internet. They have satellite, they have internet, but they stick. Broadband is a major con, right? Yeah. Telecom, telecommunications can communicate reliability, utility aspects. Organization, it could... Reliability and utility come with the term telecom, but there's some downsides clear to people what you're providing and it could be confusing since I'm playing with all your telecom. I did a quick run through of the comparable... This isn't exhaustive, but comparable things throughout the state to see what type of names people are using. Easy Fiber, obviously is close to our model. They use Fiber, they use their region. East Central Vermont, which... I looked that up and I was like, oh, East Central Vermont. That's what that stands for. I know, that's funny. First light obviously is evocative of light coming across a line. Fairpoint is... I have no idea. VTEL Vermont Telephone Company, it's an abbreviation for it, so they seem hip, and obviously they're incorporating multiple technologies in their circumstance. Fairpoint has gone and become consolidated communications. Oh, that's... You can tell he doesn't live in the movies. I live in Sperry City. All kinds of choices. Yeah. I didn't include them. I said excluded national brand names like Charter and Xfinity and Spectrum. Mainly because... They are direct competitors. I said we're talking about naming as opposed to service. Yeah, they're direct competitors, but the thing about those organizations is that they have a brand name that is nationally recognized, so they don't have some of the issues that a startup might face. So I just didn't include that. It's in... Stowe. Stowe, I guess. Yeah. Because Stowe Cable is operating their fiber connection. I don't know. I was Googling stuff, Googling around and found it, and I was like, how? MC fiber? EC fiber? You know, there's a... Our friends, Kingdom fiber and Cloud Alliance, or by friends, I mean the guy who's on the board and all that stuff. Berlin Telecom. Anyway, so... What was the reason you didn't like net or derivation, like net or... Yeah, I want CB net. Actually, I don't know. Did I put it down here? I was just messing around, but zip net, quick net, CB net. I didn't poo-poo that at all. I do think it's a lot less of a meaningful term for some people. Net, yeah. So basically then I went through, I found this map, and I went through and just sort of clicked around and looked at what other municipal fiber networks call themselves. I broke it down into three different categories, one I called literal, which is like place technology, right? Then there's sort of this like weird thing, pormento, abbreviation, acronym. So some way they sort of smush things together or creatively take that practical thing and smush it together into something. So opti-net is optical net network, right? I just see net showing up often, that's why. Yeah, that's a good point. I guess it's common enough, it's worth considering. One syllable. And it's one syllable, yeah. And then I had a category called evocative. So less literal names that have some sort of, that are intended to evoke something in the consumer. So connectedness, speed, and speed are typically the two things that people are really going for. Are you going to explain ANZAP or... That's a place. It's just a place. Yeah. Why are there roads? Wired road, I don't know. Let's get wired. Wired CV. And so anyway, so then some conclusions were that I think geographic focus is valuable. There are other ways than central Vermont to evoke a geographic place. I'd love if you all live here, if you have any input or ideas on something that is closer to the mark, I found that it was either to Vermont-y or to a town. But, you know, I think it's important. What's that? I'm actually, if you're thinking when more than central Vermont, Winooski works. Yeah. Yeah. I like Winooski, okay. Are all of our member towns in the Winooski River? Pretty close. I think Orange is probably the dividing line between the Canadian River. Yeah, Orange actually ends up on the other side. Yeah. And Roxbury is on that. And White. It's on the White. I think it's half. Port of Roxbury would be on the Winooski, I would think. I think it's a dog at that point. And I thought it was kind of fascinating, you know, like, you're like, see how far central Vermont goes, and it goes, right? Like, EC is east central Vermont. Well, they're really north central Vermont. North northern Vermont. NCV. NCV. NCV. But somehow we got, we got skipped over when they would putting out the dark fiber. Right. The central Vermont, that's probably where EC comes from because that's one of the regions. Yeah. But there's, there's no central, they kind of like, well they did. Included by killer. They went all around us somehow. Yeah. Well, they were building it in the corridors where the big carriers were least likely to build. Here we are. Oh, no. We have so much fiber here. We got so much fiber, we don't know what to do with it. We just haven't felt managed it well. Yeah. That's why I'm saying we should start by leasing stuff rather than building. Anyway, so we could have an evocative name like 802 or something like that. Onion River. Onion River. Onion River Fiber. Onion River Fiber is pretty cool. So nice. I kind of like that. And then, you know, so basically pairing that, that locality to, you know, either an evocative term or a technology or a combination of the two. The reason I like Onion River rather than Winooski is the lack of confusion with the village of town. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I had the same thought when I put Winooski down. And Onion River is kind of common parlance. I think large, I mean, it's, you see it in Montpelier. I don't know how much I see it in the. It doesn't go much beyond Montpelier. Interim. Interim. It's just the co-op, right? Well, there's the, the bike store. The co-op. The co-op. The co-op. The co-op. But there isn't Onion. Onion River Sports. Onion River Sports. Onion River Animal Hospital. You know, it's. Which is a local. A local. Yeah. It's a local stuff. It's a local stuff. In fact, people at Barry won't know that Winooski and Onion made the same thing. Oh, shush. Jeez. They're watching Barry. Come on. Yeah. I mean, you know, I think, I think Onion. I mean, I, I kind of like it. I think it's kind of cool and it has like a local, a very strong local vibe, right? It does communicate right to people that, that it is a locally run sort of thing. Anyway, then I just like quickly threw up some, some adjectives largely around fast, but I've tried to come up with some real reliability ones that weren't stodgy. That was a challenge. And, you know, we, you know, we love Wicked. I almost went into, and I, and some of these, I just stole from like tiers of commercial providers. So like the Xfinity Blast tier, right? Like, like, like that's just like, that's just like one part of their business, but it's all of our business. So it could be the name of our whole, our whole business. I think Wicked is kind of poking fun at an indigenous, you know. Actually, you know, strangely enough, there's a whole section in the Boston area and Southern Maine, where, in New Hampshire, where Wicked is also in common parlance. Yeah. Very much so. Oh yeah. Rhode Island? Yeah. I think we're like, I think we're on the periphery of Wicked. It's the work's work. It's something. Let's go with Livio and call the Epic. Epic. Ooh, let's write it down. So, Elliot, where do we go with this? So, you've done, you've done all this work. They're looking at the group here. So I think, I mean, I think, I think. So it's just a cycle of something and trying to get the board going on in the next week. I think you divide, give the board three choices. Yeah. Yeah. One good one, one okay one and one crappy one. Oh And then finally let me just scroll back up to the top really quickly You know, I didn't I didn't exhaustively Look at these and because we you know, I wanted to have an open conversation about the names I didn't actually go to the Secretary of State or or the US trademark But I did do a quick sort of scan of some of the you know, this the available URLs CV Internet is actually out completely. There's not I didn't do it who is But You know fiber, I mean and the other thing is like like I think a good name might actually, you know I mean we can have a name that Has that locality, but we could have a URL that gives us room to grow So like fiber Vermont if we want to or we know to fiber suddenly, you know, if we want to We could solely start to like We become one of the more full-featured we may in effect offer services into other I went to Michael Michael's kingdom fiber website these offering telephone and TV If you go to kingdom fiber Well as long as he's got all just here, we're good to go That's a Burlington telecom reference from a couple of years ago Anyway, so so the other thing that's important to know about URLs Which I've just sort of guided my own organization through is that you you don't have to have an organization URL that maps Exactly to your name, right It can be something that is slightly different Are all three of these available to what we're doing as an organization? Comnet or they're all they would all There's some distinction. They're not anymore So the deal is is that most internet service providers see use net as their primary URL People who are actually typing into a Browser to go to the thing they don't usually distinguish very well between that common or I guess I don't really what the difference is That stands for network calm stands for commercial. Yeah, and or is organization, right? So one's nonprofit one's commercial and one's for now Right, but are any of those available to us? Do we could be we could be Com just as easily as we could be or correct even though we're not a profit correct Yeah, that's why I was looking for all three because if we choose will buy all three and they'll all stream to the one place So if somebody because as I said people who are typing in and they can't distinguish We also don't want somebody with a name so similar if you can correct High-tech Yeah, I mean just it's just it's cute. I don't know. What's that? No me it stands. It stands for in play output It really it's it's yeah, it's it's just digital one-zero And it's one less keystroke, right? Anyway, so so that's the end of my little presentation I think if we have time mr. Chairman You know, I think we can quickly, you know, I can whiteboard some stuff if you want and we can talk about the potential Locations, I think there's only two as far as I'm good, you know, but like a like a geographic Prefix or suffix for the name so like central Vermont or onion River or you know, whatever else I'm for continuing this We're all role here. I don't see why we'd stop right now Yeah, all right, so as I said, I thought the first thing would be like a Read like a way to designate the region. So we got see me You're gonna just I'm gonna write a little allegedly so you can go fast and onion River I Think I heard as people sort of being Okay Can I quit slash or it's right this is something Yeah, and then I think probably, you know If no one's grabbed that yet, yeah Okay, so that's region those are regions I think that we sort of are keen on right I also have like, you know, granite and Jesus Jesus and crows as minstals that being Jesus Christ. So I don't think that we probably want to name our organization Our services divine So then I Think the other thing we're talking about was, you know, I mean we can mix and match but essentially That technical piece I heard that net and I heard fiber and I heard like not a lot of support for any of those other sort of technical terms Sad sound, right? Yeah. Telecom is I agree that it Contains reliability and utility grade, but yeah, it's too big So fiber definitely clarifies Gigabit speed And we're and we're at the moment Central Vermont Internet. So should that be up there for the sake? Should what? Often one of the choices is to go with what you got. Yeah, right now We got several Vermont Internet. So would you not include that up there to be one of the choices for the board? I don't know Yeah, it's also and it's also it's not We so we submitted our our papers and then we're not going to be able to And it's taken up by in the or else gone I yeah I didn't I don't like it I think Jeremy did I can tell you you know to fiber. Yeah board or calm. Yeah Because one gives a statewide reach and one gives a central Vermont region I think maybe there that is I mean the I mean your owes are 12 bucks. Okay, it's not like it's If we have Yeah, I mean, that's what we have a finance committee You know, I mean if we if we could if we get down to three, you know, I might I may you know by them on behalf of the organization now Before before that goes up on Before before that goes up in some enterprising young person Are you streaming live, okay? Are you streaming live, sir? Okay, great You know Because of the town confusion, yeah, I could concur with that I would present this way to the Board Should we give a ranking of what we think and have them still I think where we just did Well, not yet. I like that we should give them Do you guys have it and and we don't have any interest in like the more like You know the one the only one that the only evocative one that I like or like the only evocative thing that I think is good is The use of the word actually stream Only because I think more and more as people Use that as their primary entertainment Access point so like streaming Netflix Torrent I haven't I haven't torrented in a while You know, yes, that's true And maybe that's just a little too flash or too salesy for Me Holy he's a Neil young Okay, oh I don't know I stream in 4k now Oh, come on, you know you guys are killing me I can barely get 18 By email from my computer to the guy I'm sending to I'm streaming 4k HDR I cannot I just wanted to raise it as like as a Potential Avenue, but if you guys think that this is good. I'm good with it, too I mean, we don't need to like, you know, I don't I'm not the 12th man on the Number of combinations and serve it up great. You want to prioritize it Cool So so here's what I would propose doing is I will take This and I'll actually just integrate it into this document right here, and they can just have and we'll just send a whole thing Yeah, I mean, you know, there's a busy info I think are I mean if somebody has I wouldn't worry about this That's pretty obscure stuff. Yes That's we're not a co-op either. We could could decide to be but that would be a We get 15 communities to say we're not a co-op we already So with your permission, I'll take these and I'll put them into that Sounds good we were thorough It's six choices Okay Let me write let me ask you a question about this though when we yeah while while you're doing the minutes Yeah, let me just throw something out there. So the the next meeting is on Tuesday this coming Tuesday So I will be in town and I will be in the meeting. Does anybody? Yeah, really does anybody else plan on attending that meeting? Okay, okay. I was just a little concerned about throwing this to them with nobody from this committee at the meeting to To be able to explain stuff should there need to be Yeah You're talking about us Is it no, it's not committee great. I don't think I need to write them Do it? I think I don't think I need to write them in there in the minutes. Yeah You know do it do it do it so it's in the minutes. Yeah, I I And I'm not necessarily actually specifying if there are suffix or prefix because sometimes I mean in some places It actually works in terms of to be fiber a to six potential suffixes slash Indicating that there's six words Yes You could be I mean, there's a few places where essential from all works better at the end of whatever it is I can't remember there. I wrote them down. Okay Let's then figure it out No, this is very good Yeah, yeah Yeah, well, you know, it's no the fiber net distinction is is pretty important. So is the regional determination I think All right, shall we move on to organizational structure, so I did I did Far less work than you did on organizational that you did here on organizational structure. I apologize in advance two things one a time constraint I was homeless in five days last month in August and I also ran up against my knowledge of anything that's useful to add here So I'm sorry about that. I am reaching out to the group what I did was I put together a really Simple matrix to help my feeble mind think about how this might work so on the component line on the component column I have the major elements that were working with that I believe were working with and Then I had three different Opportunities of how those would be run owned Meaning own run however you want to look at it. We can further define whether it's CV. I excuse my terminology Whether it's least or we have a contractor doing the work So either we're doing it in-house. We're having a we're leasing the equipment or having a contractor do the work Or we're partnering with somebody to do this component this element and I was just walking through here and I said well I I you know, this is easy enough to do to make a matrix and one I wasn't sure if these components are appropriate because this is not my line of business and Second of all, I didn't feel like I had the wherewithal to do any Evaluation of this Yeah, I'm sorry. I thought I thought I did that So You know, I basically you know started started with the with the with the dark fiber and figured okay That's going to a set of servers. I don't even know if they're called servers But they're there with what's in the what's in the trail or at EC fiber Though that equipment it's going from there. It's being distributed out to the lines We have customer service and a and a customer database Which is a very important component of this and what you know how where that's owned and how that lives and then of course we have the Whatever equipment is is required at the premise whether or not we provide that at all or not again these so I just broke it out this way very simply and If this is nothing more but for the round file, you know, that's fine And we can we can restructure a way to think about this But I was thinking that it it's not a bad idea to relatively early on in our Organization to think about you know, what are we going to own? What are we going to lease? What are we going to do in-house and where might we be better seeking a partner and Start getting those items out because there's going to have to be quite a lot of follow-up for whatever decisions made So I'm just kind of laying this out there as a matrix with no vetting on my part whatsoever I mean the only the only thing that I That I put in here as as some kind of evaluation is as far as the dark fiber line goes I didn't think that that this organization was actually going to be owning some some Fiber at that level I'm talking about the dark fiber time I like a trunk line. I'm talking about the trunk Trunks Yeah Telecom has No, that's right not in our area, but that first lights here first light exactly Well, let me take a step back and suggest that this is useful work organizational structure discussion had to do More with the relationship between municipality public benefit corporation Co-op kind of the How are we doing business? How are we forming ourselves in representation to the community and to other businesses? We're going to be involved a customer and a Service provider We'll be a customer to a Construction contractor with bucket trucks that goes out things fiber for us We will be a service provider to the customers that call us for tech support when the motor goes down Well, let me Yeah, I'm not so sure where where's the cart and where's the horse here? Because looking at some of the choices you make on this matrix may determine What road you go down as as as for that kind of organizational structure Which is why I see which is why I started here It's my view that we should inventory Running using facilities that are already in place and then determine where we would need to build even if we are Gonna build over some of the areas where we're leasing now because they're either there gonna be the capacity in the future Or because it's gonna become un-economical for us to continue to lease if we're gonna be 144 strands out through to We're gonna want to build that so no, well, yeah, I'm but I'm not sure this is not part of what you're saying. We might not want to build that 142 lines we might want to partner with with Washington With with the with the co-op and have them build it which is one of the questions that I have here So I think I'm even at a more fundamental. You're jumping ahead Thinking you know, so what are we gonna do in year three of this process? I'm thinking month three and And maybe this isn't relevant and if it's not that's perfectly fine. Well, I guess are you know, and I'm gonna show either stupidity or lack of understanding here, but the We we basically are trying to set up a business albeit in the form of a You know this Communication But we have to somehow identify a market We have to identify capital resources mobilize them and Be able to provide a service at some point that is marketed directly to right and this is the providing the service part These are the routes we can take to providing the service Okay, I guess where I was missing something here, which was when somebody said co-op or whatever was What is the entity that is Raising capital since we are you know, our only model really is EC5 or We have a we have a finance committee looking at that So I think we shunted that off to a finance committee. No They did that bond, okay, they also had a more incremental strategy when they started of getting up, you know I might be served areas that Provided some cash flow Provable cash flow in order to put them in a position where they could and and actually to be honest, I feel Somewhat respect I feel like I may have recommended putting this on both this and financial approaches and I think it was early in the process and before we had seen the EC fiber presentation And and I was thinking more along lines. I was like, you know, how how heavily into nonprofit world Are we going? That's that's literally what I was thinking in terms of organizational structure How heavily in a nonprofit world are we going where we exclusively, you know, capital? You know like a an enterprise that makes money off of feed for service, right? So I was trying to figure out that mix and so I recommended that we think about it And then I realized it's just sort of like everything we can do If you were thinking about it again then at this moment rather than a couple of meetings ago What would you be looking to see at this time right now? I mean, I think this is that I think I think I think if I think the you know Especially when we divide the finance and the and the organization like how how we raise the money versus how we run ourselves and and And I think that was the other thing that I think I think you're right the question the question and and where they become inextricably tied is is How we organize ourselves somewhat determines The money the cash flow that we need and when we need it, right? So Especially whenever it comes to anything that says in-house staff we start to see our our costs just rise, right? There are tremendous advantages to having people in-house and operating and operating under oversight And having an ED and all those things But but there's disadvantage to right so an executive director This will be some more equivalent to the city Yes city manager slash See CEO COO. Yeah Realized that you see Fiverr Had partnered with Valley and we put a list together at our last meeting Where who are our potential? operating partners if we were gonna Operate the way EC fiber does we're a governing board that never gets their hands dirty And we hire everything company to do the work for us and That I think led us to identify all the potential customers that went from Champlain Valley to Valinet to Otelco and whomever else or Washington Electric But it did not so now I think the development committee's scope changes from developing the Financial capacity that's now handed off to the finance committee. The development is developing a customer base and developing the capacity to get the job done either through contracted Subcontractors or employees So business Yeah, so this is the getting the job done side of that. This is not the marketing Where are the customers who are the customers side? Yeah, that's what this is that's what this matrix is If you pick all the right boxes you just created one business model versus another totally out sourced We could we could end up being a totally outsourced entity or And are there I mean, I know I just you know Just like Gamely said there are many advantages to having staff and I mean what are I guess You know, what are the pros and cons of having? You know like like what are the pros and cons of having everything outsourced versus having one employee? You know or having one employee who's project managing multiple contractors Basically, if you are assuming that we are doing a business of sorts Okay, the first principle of business is always do not let somebody come between you and your customer Okay, you have a whole list here of entities that would come between you and your customer So if Well, that doesn't mean every aspect has to be no I'm just sort of trying to put a different frame on it to You know imagine where where is it appropriate for you to subcontract because every time you know in the viable Shall we say? Volatile economy that we live in now which is becoming more volatile all the time any time you make a contract arrangement Conditions change Okay, so you bid you you Spec out, you know something at one level you bond for it and oh Look at that. It's more expensive and we don't have the wherewithal to meet that So to the extent that we can control things within the house and operationally We have more ability to keep our Costs contain and maintain continuity and you're not switching plus a learning curve that somebody's On they get to go farther on that learning curve that getting then getting dropped off and having right so anything that had to do with customer interface Yeah, and there's a line for that here customers and service customer interface is exactly what I was thinking when you call up Who's answering the phone when you when you you know when we were IDC fiber their folks are sitting right there You know, they're looking they're looking up on the computer immediately. You know, where's my servicemen? What's gonna happen tomorrow? You know where whereas construction, you know, it is one of those things where? Every even the Comcast will the Sun's every So that's that's not your As much as an area, but the closer we get to the customer's Institutional arrangements more ES instead of is at the end of my name. Oh I use the you got it so well. Yeah, I use the proof. I use the you with the spell check You get out of here. You were the guy next next to my grandfather in Ellis Island His name got spelled with an IS. Okay, so it's a touchy subject No, it's just you do it so well Someone to get between you and your customer. I think it's an important Part of our marketing strategy might be the community ownership and the jobs creation we're doing this for ourselves and therefore the job opportunities that we provide to the community people the training programs that The pride of product support Yeah, that's That's an imaging thing and that's and true when you know you are you are this is your community owned and operated And I think that works. All right, and I do think that VTEL. I mean, you know VTEL or whatever They ride that like crazy, right go there and they got they got the bet first ring They've got the basket of apples Waiting for you when you go One of the things I just want to put in Steven, I you know, I don't want to completely disregard your Concept that I heard you say at one point which was effectively to to only do The the fiber piece to underserved places and then lease it back to You know well-heeled Juggernauts like on cast you may misunderstand Oh, I'm sorry, what but what did you mean? I mean did you said something along those lines of like laying out infrastructure and then leasing it to somebody In a different meeting Because it's gonna take millions of dollars in Bill everywhere we want to serve and whereas we can turn up a network to all our It's a little bit of network to all of our towns in a year if we do it by leasing facilities from people who already have Where where where are those I'm sorry if I Where would those exist Yeah, I don't get it Who has existing capacity that Locally Fine, that's not what I was asking. Okay sovereign that And Okay, I'm not going to be interested in leasing to a competitor at any rate But wait a minute, I thought we were looking to serve areas that don't have Good internet service Well You start with the places that are not served, you know Like and because you have suddenly a captive audience That does require a trunk of capital, but yes, it does require absolutely We could generate some of that by Leasing facilities and starting to capture I was just gonna say so here's some of that with a lot of fiber in Montpelier. Yeah, I will say I will say I Will say as a former and I shouldn't probably say this I'll say it as a former Montpelier resident when I got the easy fiber flyer I was like give them $200 to maybe get internet in a year and a half I'll just stick with Comcast. Thank you very much No, no, I hold a cold up and found out it wasn't even gonna be a year and a half. It wasn't going to happen It wasn't but this is the discussion, but I guess I'm just saying like I had no incentive So you know you had picked a low-hanging cruise is basically what you see five percent It is gonna take capital. I mean, it's gonna take two years and three years Yeah, we're not gonna get around but the beauty of it going to capital even and this is the kind of stuff where there may be capital sources like State credit facility here Or it could be the rural Kingdom Fiber is being funded by USDA And what happens is why not you have an unimpeachable business plan there because oh We have almost guaranteed 70% penetration right out of the box. Okay, so You know what we can find from USDA from state I'm not blanking on the the you know because there is now this new provision that they have to put What? VCC no Thinking the Treasurer's Office. The Treasurer's Office. Yeah You have to put 10% of the state money into State investments And this would be a perfect one. So it would be a no-brainer and Beth would buy it in a hot minute You know you you actually are you know having done lay the groundwork of saying, okay Here's who we're gonna contract for this was gonna cost together. Here's where we're gonna set this up Here's the cost so you have so we need enough Money to do that business plan. Okay going then on that basis to those facilities is not a Undue consideration. Okay, whereas trying to do the same thing We're gonna try and get capital to lease the fireworks that are in My failure to set up to do it where you know the same thing you said Immediately competing with folks that already have service. Yeah This is an important point. We are building a different model. We're building a generative economic model where the money supports sustains and stays local Contest is doing an extractive He didn't change his internet provider when he got that letter that said that We all we have at this point to whereas we know it's provable you can go to Calis You can go to Cabbage you can go to any number of other places. It's like You're gonna lose her And and I think the core piece when they said go after business business People, you know private business people wasn't necessarily that there's a lot of them But it's that they are often willing to write a check for their neighbors to get it there, right? That was that was what they were saying. They're saying they're saying something and I think there's somebody on the board They're like I have literally gone to the the Northfield people and I've said I've said I will pay you $30,000 to like bring this to my house, right? And it's a no-go. And so if you can find those people then then you start to build Again, that's a separate issue. That's a different set of customers so then residential To like sort of pull this back a little bit I think what might be I don't know how the mechanism to do this, but I think what might be helpful is to a Develop a plan based on well develop is not a full business plan yet, but like three potential You know three potential approaches to the business, right? One which presumes that we find a partner a local partner who can help us build this out One that presumes that there is no there is no local partner and we have to do it ourselves and one With and then like maybe potentially one that you know one that is focused on a highly populated area first Initially and one that's focused on a rural area And and and there's a hybrid of that too, right? See this with which I think is probably the best option Which is to find the sovereign like get the edge of the sovereign at least the edge of the sovereign And then build that last mile, right? I think that would be right. That's basically treating sovereign as dark fire But before we go too far before we go too far we need to close this discussion down because we have other things to cover What what are the do-outs from what we have here are the other the points that you listed? Developing very preliminary business plans for a local partnership. No local partnership rural approach dense Population approach. I mean is that something that we should leave here and and who's gonna do there's five of us So who's not gonna do one of those things? Is that up until now both Vermont electric and Washington electric co-ops Had expressed disinterest more spell electric is a municipal that covers a bunch of towns including one of our member towns Elmore That's changing in that the calf to money a billion something over the next ten years was just awarded Is that annual? No, no, it's a few below there's so many billion, but 183 million went to a Association of rural yes, I saw that and not Vermont None of them. In fact, it's like we keep on missing the ship. Well, no But I think what it's done is it's caught the attention of Washington electric and Vermont electric and they are reevaluating to what degree they're gonna get involved in this Are they gonna try to add it as a service? Are they gonna look for a team who has demonstrated the capability to partner with Well, we have no demonstrated capability, but we can come to the table right also, you know, by the way Perhaps I'm missing something but even the leasing the sovereign at fiber First like that is You still need the components that either end the interconnect to You know a point of presence at some point the you know, so there is a bunch of capital that is required To be in place before you're you're able to serve a library school, right? So There's points of presence with detail first like So you just spin off of them we would our most cost-effective internet connectivity will probably be detailed It's also more reliable and faster Okay, so we need to well, I gotta be honest. I don't know anything about writing a business plan Applications do that is I mean is that do do we need actual? Even even if they're preliminary do we really need business plans at this point or do we or do we need? What I'm saying is do we need to somehow vet these ideas maybe maybe it's only coming back with the criteria To to vet some of these ideas and we can hash it out or something like that Let's let's make the word partnership more clear. Do we want to basically? Team with an operating entity like valley that Using the CV five or valley that there's lots of different types of partnership. We don't you don't know which one I'm saying operating partner. Are we gonna basically? Be a governing board that delegates all this to an operating Well, that goes back to this thing. I don't know that's one of the options It could be that you could circle that one or you could circle this one and that's that's how it falls out We don't know yet, and you can have a we're trying to figure it out Well, I think we need more information. Yes, we need a lot more information Perhaps some other than easy fiber experience Yeah Yeah, I mean as you said we need we need a lot more information We need to know we need to know You know, I think I think Jerry I think you've done actually a very good job of breaking down the core components of this And and really what we look at is we look at essentially There's I would say three options and you guys can totally correct me There's there's the full service provider, which is like the valley right where we don't do anything Our hands aren't dirty blah blah blah then there it is Whatever it is easy for me see fiber. I mean the the service provider of easy fiber. Is that the line that that's going Operating and doing the business for easy fiber is selling the service So they're actually a hybrid model because I got a municipal governing board that raises the money And then they hire Valley to do the work, right? That's what you're meant. That's on it. Yeah. Yeah That's what I meant Better Okay, cool By full service, I mean a full service provider for us Yeah, you're the CEO now and you've got When I hired an advertising agency, I either hire a full service shop or somebody that just does graphic design Right, and I'm saying we can either hire a full service shop or we can hire somebody who just does You know And if we do that, like what is that, you know, what does that mean? And who's and who's gonna and who's gonna take our sort of who's gonna organize it who's gonna You know, essentially, that's like that's like a single or a couple people supervising a piecemeal Network of different contractors to get the job done, right? And then there's the thing where we actually hire a bunch of people and I think Exactly, I think that that's I think so I was saying there's those three options and I think it makes sense to Look into whether or not they are real options, right? We don't know We don't we don't know if there's a full service We don't know if there are contractors that we could get locally who would be able to do all of those things Well, no one said anything about that. Yeah, we're just about we're just looking looking to evaluate We haven't evaluated. We're just looking at the options that can be evaluated. I'm gonna step way back Yeah, do it and maybe maybe I'm Fact is we're now asking a group of volunteer very part-time Board people if you will to in essence take on the role of a development staff You know And if we are in a We're an operating entity or intend to be some kind of an operating in entity Perhaps one of the issues that this all brings up is that we need some full-time professional help to Make things help make things happen who is reports to rather than saying well Okay, I'd like to do this, but it turns out I got too many things this month That's a really good point at what point now do we need professional right and so So one of the things I know has been done in other places Central remote could do it which is maybe what we ought to be considering in terms of development is saying there are X number of Well to do individuals within Especially within this region who We need some story and some reach out and say we need the startup capital to get a An operation going go. We need a couple hundred thousand bucks just to figure out what to do It's more than I mean you need an ED you need somebody who's going to be a look at some consulting money you're gonna need Because you know because while we are maybe intelligent and well-informed We are not in a position to actually manage this level of effort unless somebody I haven't seen them step up From the board yet. You know, that's a really that's a that's a really really good point because I I felt that I felt both things as I was Doing this I didn't have the time and then when I had the time I really felt like I didn't have the expertise and you know I felt like I was doing a college assignment as opposed to doing something that's really productive and helpful So, you know, but but that's me. There are others that may have way more expertise That could do this parallel here to what I just watch coverage code You know this disintegrate because of this lack of capacity lack of a CEO stepping up and Managing the what legal team the design team So I mean I love what you said, I mean like I've been saying that since day one, right this this is for us It's not a technical issue. It's a organization. It's just it's literally organizational Somebody who can bring actual decisions, you know Like that and say here's what this is going to cost You know, here's what you know, here's what we got to do to figure this out and who can help make this Considerably considered to happen You know so that we can act as a board which is saying okay, the politics here are the Maybe we can talk to people. We know the resources But we're not there and We're gonna be spinning our wheels to a certain degree because we don't have that Capacity right now. Do we know where the finance committee is on have they even met? Yes So I Think I think that's something that should be on the next agenda and Actually thinking about What you just said at what and I wrote this down is at what point do we need professional help in development? But perhaps we can come up with a really short list of items that we need professional development with Well, and I was also saying traditionally boards and believe me. I'm not good at this But boards traditionally have to do with this point is say who in might have might have 20,000 or 30,000 I could go ask them for because this You know to put in we have a structure which this can work within it is tax deductible Or whatever It could be and there's any number of ways it might be done as a subscription or something but you know with the number of towns We have You know when there are people in each of them would fairly And let me add to that with the reason we decided from this committee To spin off and create a finance committee now Was because we're getting near the end of the tax year And there might and there there there actually might be a cash flow occurring in the next three months and we should be prepared to spend it appropriately and Maybe that's a better effort of figuring out how to spend that Then then some of the spinning wheels living in the hinterlands with Consolidated DSL who wouldn't like their business might like like yours Might like to have access to a thing And so they might be willing to put up some money in some kind of a local subscription if you in Berlin or Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there are other folks, you know, we're willing to say here Can you pony up something for me this because this will help drive it faster and it's a tax-deductible Contribution to a good thing. I mean, it's no what wait go ahead. I mean, I I mean, I think with no With a lack of clarity and with a lack of vision I think raising significant amounts of money No, there has to be a prospectus of sorts, but I actually see the nice thing is we have that and that's our job to develop that Respective, right? Yes, but with EC fiber as a model that use some of this with other places like that Example I brought in from Islesboro, you know, it is not that other places have not Experienced this and use that facility capacity facility So it's not like you need a full business plan with This is totally startup but but so my question to you then and I think we're on the same page is are we Is what we're doing now getting us towards that prospectus that's necessary for People to fund development of this now more than concept Funding development. It's not we're not asking, you know, this is what we're talking about Help us help us get this going because it's a larger effort than we're doing five people around the table, right? And and what is that? I don't know what that prospectus looks like, but should that be what we're focusing on doing? I Think I think No, no, no, no, I mean before we do that to get you need the money to do that to get Yes, there'd be an executive director. There would be some support there would be consulting money I'm gonna say I'll be honest. That's not what I was thinking is the best way to waste money But yeah, I wasn't that's not what I was thinking actually Yeah, I was thinking more of if we were to let a simple contract with somebody that Does this kind of work start up work in this area, you know one do I don't but I don't know I mean, I'm sure I'm sure we could find one. There's like we could we could put a call to the board and we can find one I Guarantee it's got to be And if not we could I mean it's not like it's it's not like it's a Necessarily local thing. We could go to easy fiber and they can probably have one or any of our So I just want to circle back And I think I think that we were kind of crystallizing around something that I like which is sort of like a goal of this committee overall which is to Essentially develop right now the means and mechanisms To raise money, right? What is that? What does that look like and what do we need to furnish to make that happen? What does that prospectus look like and that should be the grounding principle of everything that we discussed Yeah, we should accomplish it at the next meeting so we don't lose the rest of this tax year We should have something ready for the after our next meeting From a timing perspective, you're right from practical perspective How do we do that? I mean, I mean if you if you want, I mean, what's called guys up at EC5 or see if they have a template copy it It's not rocket science people have done this before he's a consultant You know, I mean, I'm just saying like like if we just as like we should lease stuff That's already on the ground. We should find stuff. That's already written and leverage it Yeah So we can So we need I guess the first and most obvious thing is to contact EC5 or they've been helpful with us We're not a competitor She'll need to do it at the meeting next week Who knows the people at EC5 are the best to contact them and who can do that? He's not here Probably home with the kids That's what you get Early And if they had a prospectus What they use for seed funding, thank you, I feel like we've accomplished something There you go You don't know you don't know me I live in Mary City, but I could be I could have means I've said that before I So we are we are going to be a late we're going to be a late a late committee if we don't I think the next couple. Yeah, hopefully various bank services Appropriate for nonprofit use. I think you were going to look up something about I think we passed that off to the Friends me totally. Okay. I thought you're going to talk to the banks about what All good stuff Which we don't have Has expired starts when we submit the papers We got all the right So we've lost six months we're on probation for another six months. We don't even know if I went in Sorry, by the way, um That's intolerable in my opinion I think you get from volunteers. Just uh, just uh, um The other thing that we do we do need If we're taking money is we need organizational mechanisms Not just bank accounts, but organizational mechanisms to and I guess that could be the finance committee But that should be that should be something that they they developed that But I don't think I don't know if any but well, no, we're like we're like keeping track of people So if like for example, we get all that money and then somebody does throw an exception We can like give that money back um Like like like making sure we're logging who's given us money I'm concerned that we've now tentatively appointed a treasurer subject to being removed as delegate Uh, who is primarily responsible for having lost the six months of our probation period Because if we have a chair that didn't follow up to make sure that stuff got in on time, so We we have some fundamental weaknesses from the get-go But that's the nature of what we're doing. Um, if we say that and put that on video, we're never gonna get funded I do wonder probably sometimes I really do Anyway, uh cvi talking point, so we can we that was that that's pretty much done. I didn't receive anything from folks. Um And so what is it? It was just like taking germy's thing and just right right right and taking it the elevator speech Taking germy's thing and You mean the board's thing at the last meeting No, germy germy wrote talking points that he distributed to from way back well And people had some some consternation about certain points that were in there that were Okay, yep, and so this is part of that right is to make sure that we have uh something that has been agreed upon by everybody Um So I have so our point of our like to do from the last meeting was to take the document Which is on the drive and which we had we have provided a word document of Redline it and with any suggestions you had and send it To me so that I could I didn't do it either integrate or not I you know I've essentially be taking an executive role in choosing what to integrate what not to degrade And then deliver that to the board for their review and discussion okay I didn't get anything that's fine And I purposefully didn't send anything because I thought it was it was okay. I thought there was there was enough there to To use so it's talking points. Is that the name of the file? Yeah, maybe I Are we still working with a wide open drive to the only universe in the world? Nobody answered that I asked that question because I'm using front porch forum to like call us know what's going on and I never got an answer Is it open or not? Well, I want to I want to put the minutes in front porch forum Okay, I think we need to Maybe it belongs in the development committee our what is our web presence? Do we have folders that are Secured that are not available to any other more registered users Do we have a website, you know Because I'm not going to use facebook We don't have a website because we don't have any money to Build one build one you can do one for free, but we need we need a we need a url first We need a name we need name a url and we need and yes, we need and we need a mission and we need a And we need a mission we could temporarily use them My page is at google to create a cv website to put down all our minutes I think I think I think there is a point where If we do jury rigged. I mean this is just my opinion Um, if we do jury rigged stuff, we get perceived as being No, I agree with that. What's that? I agree with that. I'd rather have something that's like Me we're gonna wait until we're funded and hire a webmaster Look man, I think that there's I think that I think that there are some things that are essential I think there's other things that aren't essential I think being able to say with accuracy what we're about and what we're doing on a website Is important before you put a website up So I think we need to I think we need to get those talking points in order I think we need to get our like a mission and we get a name And that's all we need. We just need to be able to say who we are what we're doing I don't know. I'm not I'm not even I'm not even a board But anyway, which file is the talking points? Wait a all right. Here we go Folders I know There's is it the mission vision thing or is it building the informational foundation I don't know which one is are this 2018 cbi information sheet. Yeah, that's probably I don't know I'm using my upstairs that can stay down here It is I see guests And password is I see guest I see guest which is has the same case as the ssid So if it's capital I Oh, well, I see it. So, uh It's open. Oh, it's open. Cool. Wow. We've made great strides. Anyway, um There's a thing up there Okay, well, I think somebody needs to take over management of the drive because I need to this is not being handled well by our Whoever's doing it now Yes That's a cluster Well, I I don't do you think that we can fit that under our I don't know who owns this drive. Okay, let's put it in as a I mean, I think it's just generous. So we know it started years ago and it's so it's the same thing So it's 640. So round table I think I think this falls into the round table of like, yeah, we need to we need the drive organized We really need to get the drive And we need At least detailing our Organized levels Of privacy All right, does that sound yes. So I've basically taken this issue and tied it to our committee making it germane All right So we basically said what we need in order to build a website a name and we need a mission And website slash domain Yeah, we're gonna. Yeah, I was just gonna buy these dummies right now. So we'll just have them. Okay. Um, I mean, it's not it's not a tremendous Expense, I think we should $12 each. Yeah I think we should push the board to either delegate so that we can just run with writing a prospectus We the time does not allow We can do that. I think we can I think they seem very open Don't it in it. Oh, no, believe me. That's not horrible But we don't have time at that board meeting to to write Basically be granted the permission to write the conceptual prospectus fundraising pitch as well as A recruiting for I think we have the permission We're writing that but we have a finance committee. What are they gonna do? They're looking at just how we can handle money and where we're gonna Look for a lot. I think there's a long range of bonding options and stuff like that. Yeah But we're looking at crowdsourced and well, I could be right now. Yeah Sounds good. Great. Okay Um Chairman, where are we on the agenda? We are just about done on the agenda next meeting. We need to set a time and place We've been doing uh The first thursday First thursday sound good. Do we know what the first thursday is? We could meet sooner that may be difficult for me, but we could meet sooner I think if we're gonna get a prospectus and a job description out Uh, a job just a job description. Just a prospectus How about thursday the 20th? I can't do it We're looking at october, right? No. Oh, we're looking at september, right? We could meet again on the you know a regular meeting for then, but do we want a prospectus meeting before then, right? Sure. Yeah, I mean that's um Guys have a light for thursday So, I mean obviously it's I mean it's a little contingent on What's the contingent on on ec5 we're giving us material, right? Right, that would be the But that could be voted on next tuesday. I think I can pretty I think I can You know, I mean I can navigate the I can navigate the fundraising piece of it I mean we I fundraise all the time. It's part of my job. Um, I can do that piece I can do the graphic design piece. I can say we need a headline, you know, somebody copy. We need this. We need that What I can't do is obviously like the more organizational like Pieces of it the promise, you know, if we're making any promises or representations At this point, we're not allowed to yeah, okay. We won't be allowed to make any promises or raise any but Didn't raise any money for the next six months. No, we can raise money. We can raise money Yeah, cameras. We can raise money can raise money But not with a promise to pay We can we can it is philanthropy. We don't have that We can ask for donations, but we cannot It's correct. So we cannot borrow money. No, we're not in a position to borrow money. Yeah, we can we can get donations We could set up a kickstarter or whatever But I do think if we do so, I think it would be Prudent and ethical to keep track of who gave us So that if that if the rug is pulled out from under us God forbid To the extent we can make Are we doubting whether the finance committee has that capacity or are we thinking that that's part of the development committee's obligation To set up a system to keep track of who don't know anything I mean, I mean, I don't know their Backgrounds completely. I don't know. None of them seem to have a strong Non-profit Well, she That's that's my perspective treasure who is our clerk does have a finance background She works she works in the community So the next meetings the fourth are we trying to meet before the fourth? I'd like to suggest we meet on the 18th I personally i'm gone from the 13th until the 20th I'm gone. I'm gone, but you guys can meet without me. Yeah, I mean you can meet without me too I'm pretty well tied up for the next Hold on. Okay. Well, I repeat this urgency to try to get very good Except money and Yeah, well, I'm not just I got a mom in the hospital and I'm gonna be important but business commitment. What am I gonna do? Let's meet up halfway Yeah, I see in Kansas City Um I'll be in Seattle. It'll be important. Uh, pardon me. Oh So wait, wait, what did you say? What do you come become available 21st the 21st? I'm available Let's just meet on the 22nd 20 seconds of Saturday. That's fine with me Uh, I've got scheduled for the 22nd. 22nd is the ACL annual meeting. We're volunteers. We can meet on weekends Yeah, it's not over time Uh, I don't know Let's do Saturday the 22nd. Okay, let me just double Let's see. I will not be able to commit until two days before That's right. I love having two different calendars. I'm gonna try real hard for the 22nd And can we set up a Google calendar for each subcommittee? I'm not gonna make it So, uh, I can't do the 22nd, but you guys should meet without me. I'm happy to Write what I think beforehand And provide it. Uh In terms of the Google calendar, I think isn't that doesn't that fall under that whole thing? But doesn't it fall under the um Issue that we were discussing which is what organizing the If we had if we have a common calendar, does that fall under public records? Yeah, you mean now you mean this is Violating yeah, I mean to have a calendar Yeah, probably all you're doing is looking at prospective dates and dragging in the garden when they move Okay, I don't know. I I I'm sorry. I know that was like a certain question. I just I'm tired It's just the kind of thing you tripled Oh the book group you're yeah, we gotta It's fine. We'll book again The gentleman from Moscow So it sounds like we said February or September 22nd and october 4th Same time same place. We won't be able to meet here on this Saturday. We can we can meet a bar Now wait a minute That is perfectly fine with me, but I am gonna see a problem coming. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Oh, you're kidding Hard to do phone in no, let's do it and we would have to have the you know video Okay, so I've written the September 2nd and I come before 2018 location dbt Sounds good. Okay. Okay, and uh Should I do you want me to note that the focus of the September 22nd meeting is I'll get in touch with Hanson on contacting EC fiber And uh do my best to make that happen over the next few days Well, I don't want to step on his toes, but he hasn't been so reliable in my experience So we need a backup plan Well, the backup plan is I'll call him and talk to them myself Okay, do you have herbs number? I I've met with them before So you got a herbs home number? I do not have herbs home number. I wasn't gonna call it home, but I wasn't gonna call her Well, herbs the one who can he's the chair of the board. He can give carol the permission. Maybe he can give us permission to their google drive, huh? Yeah, I was gonna go through carol is what I was was my intention carols can be very busy and not have the authority to do anything Well, he has to go to the board we're trying to get it on the board agenda. That's all right, isn't it? Jeremy's got the assignment there. Yeah, we'll see who Jeremy is comfortable asking Carol I'm gonna call Carol. That's the fallback plan And we're hoping we're Something we're making sure something gets done Now we can send these minutes to Jeremy right now. Yes And I can even give him a call We can all get him on the phone if we want while he's reading bedtime stories I'm not gonna write this in the no I'll write it down six for what six four nine five six one seven six four nine That's normal his cell I think is two two two nine nine oh eight seven six How'd you get those numbers public information? I've been talking to them. I've been talking to them for years They're just wrestling with the same issue of what's public and what's not And so I'm kind of on the outs until we resolve that because they don't think they're digital Files of whether they build fiber using public money or public records And the phone numbers that they built Wouldn't be afraid of yeah, really it's it's being guided by carols Carol doesn't want to lease fiber to coverage though because people will use lte wireless and not by a fiber connection And in violation of statutory policy I haven't had this whole thing. I mean So I I I should I can report Michael very wrong It's because he knew christa for me today, and I just want to let you know that the gary hansen Over back operations guy at velcro is looked at all of video hansen's got a number of videos No, that's one I also say to uh, I think it's Jeremy hansen three at norwich So they're interested No, it doesn't show up So they have to put a filing in problem with their rates are going to be It may or may not fly I'm just remembering off the top of my head Could you also add me to that please For one and kingdom five of their offering the telephone package for $39 a month, I can get umla So usually I haven't been providing the best edit editable. I might add you Become become this is the internet phone. This is why wouldn't you just I become I'm not going to change this discounted rate from umla For your client I mean I figure I just get for five years Oh, wait, we didn't want us to do that, right? as long as you're within a I'm fried man. Yeah Internet So I'm sending you all the minutes from this meeting. Thank you. Um, I'm sending in to his view only I'm going to give Rebecca edit access. She cleaned them up. But I think Why don't we set an example for Rebecca and start You know putting things in a drive. It's only shared with certain people. Yeah, the thing is And not her No, but show her how she needs to be getting that right organized if she's going to be the clerk Yeah, I just um Or no, she can't be the clerk. This is on your driver. I drive This is not this is this is hosted on my drive my personal drive, and I'm just sharing with you You can add it to your drives Um, and she can add it to see this vi drive Thank you. Okay. Yeah I think this committee should tackle data sharing What? Because it's not going to get done otherwise. Yeah, that's I mean I feel like that's like isn't there like a governance committee meetings adjourned, correct? Yeah