 some statistics out there with Mike Pauley. Mike Pauley was a navigator for Robert's brother of course they're both brothers and he's got back into the boat after 22 years he's got his own boat and driving it. So Mike what's going to be the biggest challenge after getting out of the passenger seat as a navigator and back into the driver's seat after 20 years or probably actually closer to 30 years? I think just getting the hang of driving one of these new boats. I've never driven Rob's boat so no it's going to be a challenge today because the river's down we're not going to push it we're just going to get up and back today and hope to get back on the trail in one piece. So do you find the Waimac is one of the challenging rivers isn't it as far as technical river? Oh yeah the Waimac it's around the pylons and even up at the top it's challenging and the flow really determines what you can do and how bad it really gets. We had a good run up and used one life up coming down we had a wee whoops. Now we got here it was enjoyable the boat's handling well and we're looking forward to tomorrow. Let me know what the challenge is tomorrow.