 able to attend tonight so I'm gonna need a motion to appoint a temporary chair. I'd move to appoint Paul Valley as temporary chair. Second. Okay so there's Lindley and Jean. And there you go. Any discussion? Yeah. Other than Paul? Yeah there you go. All in favor? That's it. Paul is the temporary chair. That's right. So yeah but before that when we we need to approve the agenda sorry I put it right on there so but I have a couple changes so you're right so Kirk White cannot make it tonight but luckily Dietre and Ellier here but we need to make a couple I need to make an addition to the agenda. Under the Knights of Columbus I'd like to add the Bethel Fire Department's request for a coin drop and that is also going to be after we're also going to discuss at that time a change to the Bethel Wreck committee so I guess we'll do add Bethel Fire Department and the Bethel Wreck committee's request for coin jobs under Knights of Columbus. It is but we need to change the date so basically we'll be changing it from May 29th to August 7th so but I figured we could just discuss them both at the same time so so we'll remove Kirk and add the two coin drops and that's all the changes I have. And he had applied for a grant for more trails and he said there's no word on the grant that he applied for. He has not heard anything from it but he said to tell you all that the school cross country team is enjoying the existing trail and they're doing a good job using that trail. He did say that the bridge at the Wreck Center needs some work so I don't know how that's going to and there seems to be a blue line in that ditch. Do you know what that blue line is? A blue line in what ditch? It's like a tube. It's for water. It's for water for the community garden. Oh, the community garden. We're going to have to the when when we cut all the way up to the reservoir it cut the line and it used to be like a well overflow that would go there. There's a connection and it's I'm not sure we're going to be able to find it again. So Tim is talking to Laura Perez who has been working on the community garden about running it from the from the pavilion over but we said it has to be has to be trenched because we can't have kids tripping over it. It'll become a tripping hazard and and so she was going to get her husband Aaron who is you know he works for Vermont Rural Water to work in that. So Tim is kind of working that out but I think but that's the issue. Yeah, yep. Okay, so that's about the trails. The ice rink. It was very successful. We had a wonderful skating winter. The ice rink was very successful. Everybody loved it. But the issue was now the liner where to house the liner. We needed the liner and so Saturday I cleaned out my garage. So we can store the ice rink liner in the back of my garage. Is it going to be able to be there without, you know, mice or anything because we could. We could put it in the basement of the town office. But you have your. Okay, just as long as you're okay having it there. Okay, good. Yeah, in someone I mean it's going to take like six men and a boy to lift that thing. So where is it now? I forgot. It's on the ramp inside the pool. So inside the pool fenced in area. And I installed it last year in the pool office. Now they're open. We can't. Yeah. We can't have it there. It's very big and cumbersome. So have we figured out how we're going to get it from point A to point B. My husband. Oh, he's going to do it. I was going to ask. He doesn't know yet. Yeah. Alan is stretched pretty thin right now. But I'm sure we'd be Richard or, you know, we could always ask Richard. Yeah. I'm working on getting some guys to do it. Okay. Yeah. Because she measured it and I measured my horizon. I don't care where it's stored. Okay. I just want to make sure you're okay with that. I measured my, the back of my horizon. You know. Nice. It would fit. Well, thank you. My horizon is cleaning now. Good incentive. Well, thank you, Ellie. Okay. That's good. As long as you're okay. We're okay. Okay. So that's those two parts of our, okay. And, um, oh, and, and we just said that the coin drop, you're going to change the coin drop. Yeah. Because we, we're wanting the coin drop to, um, um, um, where that fundraiser is to go for signage at the recreation center in terms of the need that are an adequate signage, or more signage, or whatever. So DGNA has all good ideas of what the signage should be. Um, and the skateboard craft. It's a wonderful addition to the center. People from all ages and places come to use it. We are happy, very happy with our first phase, which many has been now concentrating on our second phase. We had applied for the land water conservation by the December of 2018, but we got turned down. But in all of the grants and different things that we've been applying for, like the Tony Hawk, the Quebec, they always say, well, you can apply again. So it's, it's, it just happens that the second time around, we've, we've, um, been successful. So we applied this time because when we applied the first time, we were going to interact with, with, um, these funds to go from the town to grants and Tony Hawk and, and for our fundraiser, concert fundraiser. But I see we spent all that money for the first. So when we applied for the land water conservation fund, um, they suggested we just applied for over 25,000, so we were just met. So, since we got it, we have been amazingly fundraising um, we, of course, last year did a, our coin drop had a very successful coin drop last July, which was, um, $910. We did a wrap on the summer, that was $878. Um, we did this fabulous donation letter that has been brought in, brought in $7,570. And for the last few years, I think I've mentioned to the select board about the Taran Foundation. And because a couple of years ago, a friend of mine who is an average seven days leader, he ran in seven days that Taran Foundation was going to, was giving money to the battle girls for their skateboard. So, so I looked into it, um, and they, they wanted a letter of inquiries, which, uh, with the help of Rebecca Stone, I was surprised that they, of course, finding back to me saying, oh, yes, we're interested. Can we come have a site visit, which they did in October of 2019. So then we went forward with the application, which was due March of 2020, and then of course COVID hit. So they said we don't have clients anymore, so we'll have to close home. So then, um, last summer, they said, we're re-looking at applications. And in December of 2020, they said, nope, you didn't, we're not going to do any money. But then in March, um, corresponding between me and the executive director, she kept wanting updates of what we were doing, which I gave her, and I was excited to tell her that all the wonderful things we were doing. And so a couple, two days ago, the phone rang at three o'clock on Tuesday afternoon, and it was her, and she asked for an update, and I said, all the stuff, the donation letter, all of that, we're going to do a silent auction, all this stuff, and how wonderful everybody's loving this paper park, and she said, would you like some money? And I said, yes! And she said, continue this $10,000 auction. So, we'll be back. So anyway, and we're going to do a silent auction, we have to ask for permission to do a silent auction. No. Wait a second, maybe in that new fundraising policy, we'll have to look. Maybe, probably, we'll have to look. Yeah, I'll look at the, I think you have it, but I'll make a note to send it to you. And so while I'm talking about fundraisers, we do want to fill out an application for a bottle drive for July 10. So you do want to add that to our application? Yeah, I don't think it's an application. I honestly, after the top of my head, I have too many policies. I'll just forward to the fundraising policy, Ellie. I made a note in my... Okay, so we want to do a bottle drive for July 10. And there's going to be, and there's a member of our committee that plays softball, and they're going to have a softball tournament down at the athletic fields. We've already got permission from the athletic director of the school. It's all set up for them to do a softball tournament, and they're going to donate some of their money to us. So you don't have to run that. Someone else is running that. Oh, that's great. What are they going to do it? August, July, June. In June. Oh, nice. June 26, 27. The tournament is that weekend. Saturday June 26. Nice. And it's a foundation for two brothers that were killed, one died, one was killed, and then they're going to donate some of that to the rec facility and then use the money for scholarships and other things. Yeah. So that's where it is. We do have a person, Kyle Cartwright, who's interested in teaching some skateboard skills. Yep, Kyle. Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out the insurance angle. So I had sent, he and I spoke, he was going to talk to his insurance company, and then I spoke to our insurance company and we're still trying to work out the details, but we're going to be able to work it out. We just have to, we're just trying to figure out coverage, not for the kids, because the kids will have to sign a waiver, but for Kyle himself. Is he thinking of doing that in the summer? Yeah. I wonder if, and I don't know if this would actually work, but the school right now has money. They're looking specifically for summer programs for kids, and I think it's like the middle school has some money that's looking for that age group specifically, and I wonder if he could have the school pay for his time to help offset some of the cost. Well, because he was going to do it for free. Yeah, and I know that they're looking for people to teach things during the summer to those age groups, and that would kind of be a perfect crossover, because I know a lot of the middle schoolers have started bringing their skateboards and scooters to school so they can go to the skate park after school, so. Can I talk with you after? Well, maybe tomorrow, because I'm going to bring a program called Youth Meets to school, and if you have money, because one planet doesn't have money, and if we want to do it for the middle school instead of the little kids, I can talk to you. Yeah, let me, why don't we email it tomorrow, and I'd have to just loop people from the school in, because I don't know a lot of detail. I don't know if it has to be within the school faculty that it's for, or if it can be outside of that, I have no idea. Okay, sorry, we can chat. Yeah. My last thing is that this has a good recreation committee that a bunch of us worked at GreenUp Day, at the center, removing made bucks that were, with all that construction for that. So my only question is, how is the seating doing for the field in the summer? It'll happen this summer, but I can't guarantee you a timeframe. It'll happen before they go, because we have the, obviously we cut a swath there to go up to run some stuff up at the reservoir. So it'll be done just like we have to do some more, not everything took that went around the skate park. Yeah, because last year, I think that Tatro worked on that in December, so they weren't seating it in December. So the only thing they put down was a straw mat just to keep it in place. And then I think around the skate park, we'd originally tried to seat it, but you can see where the people kind of come off the edge of it. I think that's just going to be dirt. I just don't think we're going to be able to deal with that. And eventually, once we build a second phase, we've got to put a concrete sidewalk around the entire perimeter so that it maintains the... the... the... the coating, the seal. But that's... And it'd be easier for Richard to trim and mow around. Yeah, so I don't know the timeframe yet. They'll be back in June, so I don't know the timeframe of when that's going to get dealt with, but it will be dealt with. I just can't tell you when. Can we get to build a second phase? Because you have money now to pay off what you owed on to the town on the first phase, and then you'll have to look at it. You just need to look at a... Yeah, you'll have to look at a budget for, you know, what does Michael think the next phase is going to look like? And, you know, Shane did a great job designing the first phase. If I was you, I'd save the money and just let Shane design the second phase instead of trying to contract out. I guess then, Ellie, you should probably just try to get a number out of Michael Parker and see if it's something you can shoot for for next year's construction season, because I'm sure he's straight out. So at least if... So maybe it's something... Then you'll have a number to shoot for and you'll know how much you're lacking in fundraising, so. That's what I would do is just ask him... Ask Shane to send Michael the next phase drawing and have him price it out. Sweet. Yeah, Shane is great. He's a great addition to your committee. That's what I would do is once you get a number from Michael, ask Michael Parker to estimate what it would be next year, because concrete prices right now are through the roof. So let's see, but there's a rumor that it's going to come down, but not much. Yeah. And I want to try to get some guys to donate the labor prior to all the prep labor, because we could probably say, Michael Parker told me that we probably would save about 15,000 to 20,000 if we got guys to do local guys to donate some of the work. And maybe it's not just one guy. I keep volunteering with my husband. He said, you know, maybe they could share the delivery of the prep site. It's true. I mean, there's enough people around that everybody, you know, that you might be able to, you could get, I could think of five people. You could probably pull together down there and just, and they all know each other. They maybe they'd work together and divvy it up a little bit, at least even to give you a discounted rate if they wouldn't do it for free. Actually, you've got a season of your belt and every season of how it's getting used and there was always a question about whether or not there's going to be parking to utilize and move back to the initial stages. And obviously it's a very popular place and so now we've got some good vibrations for the season. Yeah, and you know, the neighbors have all said there hasn't been a single problem. I asked two sets of neighbors and they said, never a problem, never a problem in State Park. I just remembered that we've got money for benches. Yep. They're coming in June. Yeah, they're coming in June. So we have two benches coming because that was a grant that we got too. So also on your talk about social media and monitor, does it mention? Okay. Have you read the policy before? Yes. I know. Are you familiar with it? I just have a few things that you're done. I have a question about the State Park or a comment. Are we experiencing, you're talking about in the future there would be a sidewalk around the edge. Are we experiencing mud or anything like that because of the use and not having a protective surface around the outside? I think I need to, it wasn't terrible this spring as far as mud is concerned. It was terrible with all rocks and all the pebbles and stuff that's coming on. That's what really does the damage to the seal. And I think what I'm going to do, which I had no problem with the ice cream rink is Mills hardware donated three shovels last year for me to help keep the ice clean. I think we're going to have some sort of little stand bill and put some rooms there and really encourage, put a sign that says before you skate, sweep. So that, you know, and hopefully people will leave the rooms there and they'll use them because that will help. Michael Harper said you've got to keep the dirt off the sealer. So I'm going to try that strategy. And you can put out something on Facebook like you did last year. You've got people to shovel the ice, so hopefully regular users, Shane, and people will do it. So that'll be good. They'll want the rocks off of there because they get caught and tricky up. It is a safety hazard as well. Something that I was thinking of just over that thought was since you'll be reaching out to Michael Parker, right? Is it worth asking him how frequently we would need to do maintenance to that seal quote and kind of getting that quote so that it could be built into the budget? Yeah, I'm working on that right now. You guys. Your yearly maintenance would be just checking for cracks, breakages, but the sealer will depend on the usage. And so it's getting a lot of use and he was going to give you a poll so we can build it into the budget. You're already on it. Great. A couple things about the pool. We are going to open and every day seems to be a little bit of a change. It's constantly changing and evolving. We did not change the fee schedule so we can bring that to you because we changed it just in the winter, spring of 2019. So that is the same. Right now I have a very small staff. We are limiting the number of swim lessons that we are going to be offering. I have one WSI, which is a water swim instructor and she can only take on older kids. So we are only sadly going to be offering two levels four, five, and six. Which breaks my heart because it's the little ones that I really want to give the lessons to. But Teresa and I had a long conversation. I had a long conversation with the head lifeguard who will be my, who's my daughter. She's been the head lifeguard at the pool for several years. It was just too risky because the little kids need so much hands-on one-on-one and they do a lot of spitting and sputtering and I just didn't want to put her in that constant danger of exposure. So we are going to do only those four, five, and six. And we shall also say that we've been talking about this as an everyday COVID rules change. So we finally had to make a plan and so we finally just said okay. And so that's been the difficulty of it as well as another vaccinating 12 years old but not little kids. And so the bottom line is also we have to protect the health of the lifeguards themselves. So it's been a fluid process. Constantly evolving. We are at this moment going to do online reservations as a setting for packing. But today I have three people approaching me. Young people say hey, I'm taking the lifeguarding course or I was a lifeguard that you pulled three, four years ago or you're still hiring. So with that said, we may be able to pull the online reservations which would be a blessing. If I could get a staff of seven, eight guards. We usually run the staff of 10. And so if we can do seven, I may pull the online reservations. We are offering new this year to the little guys because it just felt bad and treats my brainstorm. We're going to offer some mini explorer camps for ages eight to 12. And my daughter will also be teaching those. And they're really just getting the kids out into Bethel showing the kids what there is here. So there's a three day hike. Hiking camp for eight to 12. She's going to be teaching paddle boarding for kids eight to 12. And then there's a bird's camp that they'll use Carlos Meadow for. And that will be for ages five to eight. And then a mini camp river exploration. And so they'll be doing a lot of flora, fauna, fish, rocks at some of the access points on the river here in Bethel. So it's really to just get the kids outdoors and get them exposed to what Bethel has to offer. And with all that covered with the insurance and the waivers and all that. They will have waivers, health forms. And because Maddie is already a life, is already on staff, she's covered. And when she does these, she'll take another lifeguard with her. So we already recovered workers' comp and all that. And then the children have to sign a waiver that we received from the VLCT sent us. So then the children, not the children, the parents to sign the waiver. So everybody's covered. Yes. And we're encouraging. They'll be instructed about any residual COVID regulations. Oh, sure. Yeah. I mean, by the time we do these, it's going to be after the governor has opened the state up. I think because they're not scheduled until after July 4th. No, they're the very last. Oh, the last in June. But he's already an aggressive schedule. So, but yeah, we'll, we'll do whatever the COVID. Yeah. But whatever the COVID protocols are, Paul, if it's masks and it's masks, and we'll do whatever the protocols are by the governor's order. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. So that. And we are encouraging parents to attend the hiking, the last day of the trip with their, our guardian with their camber. And seeing with the category. And then we're, I'm also working on family fun Fridays. And we may not do. We talked about, Theresa and I talked about June 2. It's really going to, again, depend on what the state does for opening. The most exciting thing that I'm working on right now for family fun Friday is I'm working with one planet and order now in middle school to bring a fantastic program called Youth Beats. It's rich region. He's very well known in northeast and brings this drumming program. And he doesn't just drum, but there's an inclusion and quality and acceptance and not bullying and this whole huge program that he does. These kids will work with him all week long during workshops and learning how to drum and do all these fun things. And then they would put on performance out of family fun Friday. It would be a fantastic program. I just have to get the project to do it, the money to do it. As far as the facility pool wise, I've got all the ducks in a row to do the maintenance. The office floor is going to be done. Thanks to Paul, all the prep work done. And Barry Tyler's coming in to get that floor done so that it's not a slip hazard or an injury hazard anymore to the stack. And then we're working on the benefits system, which is a bit of a challenge. The playground is just about done. That will be finished tomorrow or Wednesday. And then the playground will be all set. So the swing sets are in place. The monkey bar is having a home. And it's been a whirlwind of activity at the pool. So we will be open for six weeks, July 30, July 5, August 13. So three sessions. August 13? Yes. All right, thanks. We're hoping to, another fundraiser. We're hoping to do a duathlon on August 14. So the day after the pool closes. A duathlon for families. Then there'll be a swim, run fundraiser. So... Is that for the rec committee? At least the pool director and a few of the rec community members and then some main volunteers from the community to make the work. Okay. So we're a bit... What about the cat with the fuzz out of the maze to the water slide? Yeah. I mean, they used to take the models up and ran out of them. Chocolates. Oh, can I stay here? Yeah. So... All right. I don't know if they did. I'm not sure if they did all this model stuff. Okay. They had to put your hands on the side of the building and put it up. Okay. An insurance waiver question. Mm-hmm. When they sign a waiver, are they saying that they are, they're going to be responsible or that they have insurance? So there's a couple things. If they're transporting, if they're transporting children, they have to give like their proof if they're taking someone else's children. They have to provide all the insurance requirements that are the same as the school. It's a waiver to say that... If their child is going to participate. Yep. And if their child is going to be photographed, do they authorize the use of the photograph? And then it also says that they understand that if there's any risk to the child that we don't ask for their insurance information, but they understand that the risk is, that they're accepting the risk. Now, you and I both know someone could still sue us or sue the insurance company. That's always as a litigious society. But the waiver is set up from the insurance company that the parents are saying they understand the risk and they're accepting it. And about photography. So if their child is a picture taken. So it's an all in one form. Yeah. I'm just curious as to whether people can accept responsibility that they have absolutely no way of... Well... Well, I mean we do. But the other flip side is if they were to say, yes, I've got insurance. Then that eliminates people that can't afford insurance. So I... Yeah. So we do not ask for health insurance information for people. We're just basically saying that it's a participate at your own risk. And the health form, there is a health form. But that's for swimming lessons. That is just for the person that is at the pool, we have a health form that says, does your child have allergies? If they do, do they carry an happy pen? If they don't carry an happy pen, do you object to the ambulance or lifeguard staff who are trained for state CPR to administer that epi-pen? Do they have other allergies? Or do they have history of epilepsy or anything that the lifeguards and myself would need to know if something happened to the child or the adult, the guardian, we ask for any adult that brings a child and a child to have health forms. Just so that we have some history on what they might, what we might be facing. And I, you know, in the past, for years, they never looked at health forms. And in 2019, I poured over every single one, highlighted every single one that would really be, you know, something that we really needed to know. And I did that because I was a camp director for 13 years, a massive camp, and we had to know what to look for in certain situations. That's where my question comes from. I admit I run the city. So we do that for the pool, but we don't, for these mini-camps, we have not asked for a health form. I did say that a health form would need to be filled out so that Maddie would have any idea if the child was allergic to bees. So they're going to sign the waiver as one thing and then the health form. Okay, I wasn't aware you were asking for a health form, but the waiver is one thing and then the health form is separate. The waiver is for the insurance company. The health form is for everybody else. And obviously, those are confidential, of course. I understand, it's just that I've run camps and I'm aware of those issues. Yeah, and I try to do those health forms at the end of every season. I don't keep them. Thank you. Thank you both. Y'all doing a great job. So, public, we lost our public. That's right. The bar re-opened. That's right. That's right. Let's go. Thank you for listening to us. Thank you. Thank you for your support. I'm out to all our events that we're having. Okay, next on the agenda is the annual requirement of Constable Oscar Gardner. Constable Oscar, the other day, got a tour of the vehicle. So we're on site. Yep. She's starting to monitor it. Yep. So we're on site. All right. You're going to watch that. I've got a bar room to get to. That's right. You bake them, right? That's right. She was in charge of cookies. So Oscar is reappointed annual for one year terms. And I had it on my calendar for now. So, and you said you had a conversation with him. So you got to see the cruisers mark now. And I saw him in the cruiser today. So we're. Is there any evaluation, performance review, any of that kind of thing that can happen, shouldn't happen? Sure. Yep. I do do evaluations every year. And we, and I didn't Oscar last year. Obviously chaotic. And, but he and I usually, you know, have a conversation every year to see how things are going. But I have never done the formal process with him. Certainly not with Justin either, because he's new. But it's something that we, we've talked about that Oscar and I have both talked about doing because he's an appointment. So it's unusual. He, he, he comes to me. Right. And he does come to me. I mean, we, we converse on a regular basis. We talk about traffic stops, what we're doing. He's actually, I talked to Loretta. So I just made a plan with Loretta, which I'll just talk about later. But so, you know, we converse all the time. He comes to me if he's had pullover, if he's had a stop, if I've had a complaint, you know, I always use the same process with him. I used to oversee a police department in Bristol as part of my job there. So I always go through the same process. I just ask him to see his tape for that particular stop. Don't tell him about whatever. Just I need to see your tape for this day. I'll review the tape and then, you know, taking, at that point, I'm the only one who knows what the complaint is. And then I watch, well, of course, the person who complained. And then I watch the video and then I'll talk to Oscar about it to see what the situation is. And if I need to get back to someone and I'll do that, a lot of times I'll tell people, you know, if it's a personnel matter, there's, it's personnel matter. And if I have to deal with it, I will. But I have, but a lot of times in my experience, people get flustered when they get pulled over. What they tell you has happened a lot of times is not what happened. And I think people are, for whatever reason, a lot of adrenaline or whatever. But yes, Oscar can go through the annual evaluations, which happened in, you know, June. So I'm happy to do an evaluation on Oscar. No problem. You mentioned the need that it don't have a full 10s. Oh, is he? He's going to have to work with the second constable. Yep. Yeah, I will. I just saw him in passing. I mean, that's the hard part is he has a full-time job. So, and so does Justin. So we're, I think Justin worked five hours in the last pay period because he's busy. He also has three children under the age of five that he's pretty much solely responsible for. And then Oscar has been busy. I think he's been picking up time in, you know, in Royalton. So we're really only seeing a few hours, you know, originally we'd hoped for 20 hours a week, but we're not, we're definitely not seeing that. But it's hard. And to now to be a constable, if the town about the wants a constable that can enforce the law or some of the laws as the slide board agrees, they have to be, have gone through the academy, have to be part-time certified. And that's not easy to find someone who's willing to be a constable. Well, he was also commenting on the general lack of bodies coming out into the forest. Absolutely. Why have you expressed some frustration in the standards that they've been held to? Well, I think it's true. I think in this climate it's really difficult. I agree. It's a very difficult time to be a police officer right now. And, you know, Oscar's been great. I knew Oscar when Greg hired him. I already knew who he was from Addison County, because he'd been an Addison County sheriff, deputy sheriff for many years. And, you know, he really enjoys people. And I think he has very good people skills. And so, but if the select board would like me to do an evaluation on him as an appointed person, I'd be happy to do that. I just think both, it's good practice. The best evaluation is the constant what you're doing. Right. But it's also probably wise for the select board, and maybe it's already in the works, but every once in a while to take a look at, are we getting what we need with the constable? He used to come. And then with COVID it was very difficult. But before COVID Oscar used to come to select board meetings like every quarter. So now that we're back and his schedule was very up and down. And so I'll reach out to Oscar and ask him to come to come in June and then sit, you know, and then you guys can ask him questions. And I think he always had open dialogue. I saw him go by in the cruiser. So I'm not sure. It's also hard sometimes if he has an appointment, then he gets a call. But I will invite Oscar to a June board meeting. Yeah. Is there a way to between, I mean, I feel like we hired a second constable to try to make the 20 hours a week happen. And now we're hearing that it's still not happening. Is there a way to sort of push that? Like they both signed on to do this job on top of their full-time job. So you sort of can't fall back on, well, I've got a full-time job in a family because I interviewed. Right. I know. You were there when he said, yes, I can make this happen. So it's a little disappointing because I was going to ask, I have yet to see him around town. I see Oscar a little more recently now. And he's been on. I think that Justin has some personal matters that have kind of come to a head or maybe were different than when he was hired. But I've emailed with him and just said, you know, look, you need to get to a select board meeting. I know that the Mondays are really difficult for him, but I just said, look, here's the, let's squeak in this time frame. Tell me when you need to be here. If it's seven at seven, if it's six at six, and we can work around it. So we're trying to be respectful of those matters. What? Need a motion to re-appoint. Yeah. Oscar, one more year. So moved. Second. All in favor? Two questions. Your review of the situation. Yep. And then the personnel that are holding it. Right. Okay. So next on the agenda. I just called us looking for a point about seeing the practice of that paperwork going in and sharing this coverage. Yes. I know in the past the assignment has really been up to snuff. Okay. So. I'll just talk to them about it. We have a couple of boards out front that they need to have more with calls or more advanced notes. Yep. And they do have, they're provided with a typical layout of it and also it says they must provide. So I will make a condition, I will write on here, signage and needs to be, needs to be better than last year. Okay. I'm making a note at the bottom. Yep. So moved. All in favor? Mm-hmm. You said you wanted to change the. Yep. The Bethel. Yep. The Bethel rec committee is going to change. The board's okay with it. They're going to change from May 29th to August 7th. They didn't have enough people. I looked at this earlier, but I just noticed that their insurance is out. It's out maybe. Okay. Let me see. They probably just need to, when does it end? Just need to give you one. Oh, okay. Yep. We'll ask them for a new one. Oh, that's funny. They must, somebody must have had one. All right. And we will tell them that too. Need. Yeah. Kelly must not have noticed. Need. New. Proof. Of. All right. So what we're going to say is we'll just make that. Columbus. Basically the Knights of Columbus coin drop will be approved. Pending. The. Move. The. Receipt. Pending receipt of insurance. Updated insurance and. Guarantee of better signage. Because that's the rules and they are provided with them. So the coin drop for the. Ret committee. Yes. They'd like to change from May 29th to August 7th. They just didn't have enough staff. And then the Bethel fire department. They just. That was the other addition. Sorry. Bethel fire department. They're a little late to the party. They actually had always done the 29th. And but they were late. And so they were going to move theirs. But then the. Ret committee had to move there. So the Bethel fire department. Would like their annual coin drop approved for Saturday. May 29th from nine to one. Fire department's coin drop. There. Sorry about that. So they were. Really wanted to suggest we sit on it. The next meeting. Yeah. Rule. And I like the fire department. Sorry. They would be like. Ah. Okay. So. You've all seen this application before. We've done it a couple of times. So this is. You know we're moving forward with the next phase of the design. What happens is. With these. Grants is a lot of is they give you the state revolving loan fund. You can get it for the engineering and then they'll wrap the engineering into the full construction project. So. We are still. We obviously are aware of American. The ARPA money. For the American. Rescue plan. But. There's also at least a billion dollars coming into the state of Vermont which is going to come in the form of we believe in some grant money. And we also don't know about federal money. So. As I've said before we need to be shovel ready for a project. That's the way that. When President Obama was president when the air money came out you had to be shovel ready so. And we need to move forward with the next phase so. It's some. You know so if you look at the revolving loan fund application that's. The information is there and we've talked about the project the next steps repeatedly so. No. We. Have. Decision. Concerned. It looks like. It looks like the best way. To go is going to be. To put in. The pump station. Because there's availability for. For. You know the availability for funding and if there's going to be money there it seems like that's the best way to go without taking them out of the mix. And it will deal with a couple of issues on that street as well. But. Because if you look at that area. The law some of those lots are really tight so trying to figure out how we're going to drill private wells. With all the easements and everything else the residents obviously want a warranty of up to maybe 3 years. On the well and. It's still a big outlay and. All the generally did the analysis and it. It wasn't some it wasn't as big of a cost savings as we thought it was going to be originally. Unfortunately. It is. It is and. But if you can you know if we also get more forgiveness and we get some more subsidies that really. It puts you right in the ballpark. There's also some questions about how you legally. Go from providing water to providing. You know I've talked to Bob Fletcher it's a page in Fletcher about so there's. There's a couple of issues there. But especially if you look at the lot sizes of those houses. So. But yes they did do an analysis for us. I. Understand. Of course. Page. Okay. The. Estimated. Project. Initiation. June 17. 22. How do you. Complete. February 28. 22. No. I didn't even. You know what I just read it so quickly I didn't even. I'll ask Mikey Mike to update the. I'll ask Mike Maynard to take a look at the date. I didn't even. I just read it and didn't even. Don on me. It's probably the same thing with him page three. Good catch date. Thank you. Of. S. R. F. Loan. Completion date. Question mark. Mm hmm. Describe any other capital projects. That looks like those. Capital projects. Looks like. The. Water department. Yep. That's that's all this is. They only want to know what's happening in the water fund. To the whole town. Well it's not because the debt only goes to the water service. Only water to water users. That's. That's why I'm asking. Yeah. Yeah. And then. Page. Six. Do we need to describe our. On. Page. Six. Does ask us if we. Does the applicant offer a retirement plan. It says yes. We don't have any unfunded pension liability. So. We don't have to add anything there. Okay. Yep. No. That's fine. I'm glad you asked. I like it. People reading it. It's nice. Yeah. Right. Do you need a motion to approve. Yes. Because you need to sign it. Move to approve the state revolving loan fund application for. $1,300. Hi. Hi. With the correct date. Yeah. So you want to sign first and then we'll pass it around. Because there's a page there to sign Paul. That'll come your way. So. That. Grand overview. Okay. So you were all aware that the. That. I'll just pass it. Here you go. Okay. Yep. Thank you. Right here. Better connection. So it was in there. So you're all aware that we'd received the money anyways for the better connections grant. What. The. And this just I just wanted to give you an overview of how it's going to laying out. So the the grant is going to be. Processed to be overseen by a steering committee made up of community volunteers. The town council. And. You know the project manager will be Nicole Sear. Who are wondering is. Is there anyone on the select board? Obviously I will be attending the meetings. But is there anyone from the select board who would like to be on the steering committee. What you're going to be doing is we'll be looking at. Assisting and reviewing the RFP. Interviewing the applicants. And then we'll be looking at. The. You know obviously you'll make you'll be on that committee to make a recommendation to the select board. The select board will be the one who has to hire the consultant in the end. So. While I understand there's people who maybe want to have some input that's great. But if someone actually wants to be on the steering committee. That. They would welcome that. Obviously otherwise I'll attend the steering committee meetings and. And. Be the liaison for the select board. So. Not to deter anyone else who's interested. I have agreed to be a point five person. On. The steering committee. Overall. I'll probably be involved at times and not involved at other times. So. I'm happy. When I'm there be a representative. For the select board. But I'm. Only giving them half of myself. You need to. Slide. No. Okay. I'm sorry. No, no, no. So. Not to deter anybody else if you're interested in being on it. But. So. Yeah. Sure. So. What's going to happen is the storm water. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. Um. Yeah. To simplify. And. The storm water. Okay. So. The storm water. The storm water master plan is going to review the town we had maps done in 2015, like a lot of towns. Jim peas did them from matter, and. What the storm water master plans going to go. They're going to come in and they're going to look at these areas are going to look at, you know, specifically, we'll look at the whole town. that's probably our biggest stormwater issue. And what's gonna happen is once the master plan is done, if we choose, the steering committee will be part of choosing what those three priority designs are. So what we can do is once you have an approved stormwater master plan, it allows you to apply for grant funding based the fact that you have this approval, now you can apply for some additional grant funding. So maybe it will help with stand-till, it's gonna depend on what the top priorities are and how the money sugars out. But it really, in the end, we'll get probably three. We'll get three areas, and it's not a full design, but we don't need a full design, usually, depending on how bad it is. We might not need a full design. So I can't say for sure it's going to affect. Maybe stand-till maybe in the next couple, three years. Yeah, it will be, and stand-till is definitely tucked into a larger project. I don't know what this master plan will call out, because all's I've seen is your 2015 mapping. So once they come in and do it, stand-till may be priority number one, but it may not, I don't know. I'll just tell you, if I tie in, we're gonna be doing that project. Uh-huh. If this will tie into that project. It might, and it might not, because what the stormwater master plan does is it takes a look at the entire town, and then, like I said, sugars it out. So the timing, it's just gonna depend on the timing, and if that ends up being chosen as one of the top three, it will help, because we'll get a partial design, and then possibly, possibly it's all timing. So I don't know, but maybe we just don't know yet. So I'll be on the steering committee, and Lindley's agreed to be a 50% partner as she can. And if you know there's stuff coming up that you want me there for, I'm happy. You know, you can always let me know. I'm not gonna do a lot on the front end of stuff, but I'm planning to be more involved as they get into the community pieces where they start to attack. Right, and that's where I think the select board is really probably gonna shine, is because the front end, we're looking at RFPs, and I've already talked to Rebecca and Nicole about moving forward with the RFP drafting, and then we've had a couple volunteers to review the RFP. We don't need 12 people to do that, but what we do need people to do is this community part, getting people involved to come get feedback. How are we gonna participate in this? How are we gonna get that feedback? Are we gonna do any little, what are you gonna do for a rollout event? How is that event gonna look? So that's what we're gonna need people for. I'm happy to read RFPs and help figure out, make recommendations. Tim will work in the field with whoever gets the stormwater. So I think where the community part's gonna be is, and maybe that's what the select board, obviously at some point, will unveil at a select board meeting, and you guys will have a piece in the hiring of a consultant, but what would be nice is to have you guys maybe even attend those events if they're outside a select board meeting to say, hey, this is when it is, and then you guys come and, you know, it could be nice. And I saw that, I said that's something I could do. All right. But it wasn't necessary for me to double up. All right, well, you know what, but it'll give you the opportunity to, even if it's not being on the steering committee, Gene, but if you can come to those community events, that would be great. That would be lovely. Yeah, I think there's plenty with this grant to do that we'd be happy for helping hands on any front. And I think that's what Rebecca was saying. Some of it's gonna be, how many, you know, do you have select board members or other people that maybe aren't willing to be on a steering committee but be willing to go, maybe we need a survey done. Would you be willing to go talk to people to get that data? So I'll let the steering committee know that you'd be willing to help out with the community outreach. Yeah, there's something I'd like to be involved in. Okay, so. I'll just put it that way. I think that's on the steering, or not, doesn't matter. I'll say Gene willing to help with community outreach. And that way, if you want, you don't have to be on the steering committee itself, but you can, when that time comes, they'll put you on their list of people to call. Does that sound, does that work in your schedule? Yeah, we can work that out. Okay, I will let Rebecca and. So for the reason, where is this money held? Let Rebecca and. Well, Rebecca, now, and, and Nicole. What big grants like this, did they just go into? They're reimbursable. We usually don't get the money till you spend the money. Yeah, so we foot the bill, and then once the money, and then, you know, in this way, they've laid it out in the grant so you get X percentage, maybe. So every time we get a bill, it's just like the DWSRF, I will submit for the money. So it's, they're all reimbursable. Nobody gives you cash up front anymore. Also, why does it say we can earn interest on the money? If they're not gonna give it to us, I'm fine. It says that about the American Rescue Plan money. Just a quick thing on the grant, because I think it sort of addresses what Paul's earlier question was, and I've had this, and I feel like it's important for select board members to know this so that when you hear stuff around town, you are giving out correct information. This is specifically a planning grant. There's really no money going into implementation of anything. The idea behind it is we do big assessments, come up with some plans, and this grant itself makes us eligible for other grants that if we didn't get this grant, we're not eligible to even apply for. So really, like, this is not implementation money, and I have heard enough people around town feeling like, oh, and we're getting 105,000 to improve accessibility in town, and we're not actually getting it to do the improvements, we're getting it to plan how best to do the improvements, make recommendations, and then apply for subsequent grants and funding that will make that happen. And it's a weird little thing, but it makes a big difference when somebody is coming into it with the mentality they're gonna see changes this year and then they're not. It's purely planning, but it makes us very eligible for next round things in a way that we wouldn't be otherwise. And that American Rescue Plan money allows us to earn interest, not this. So what's the trees here? Oh, yeah. And an announcement for the last one. Yeah, this is a tree. The last prize. Yeah. So this was just one of those things I had met with, as I said, I had met with Dave and Skip Griffin, and then I'd inquired about the insurance coverage for the volunteers there. So I reached out to Wade, who is the one who inspected the facility in 2014, and they made some signage. I had some emails from he and Bill Hall and whoever else was on the board at that time. Dell Cloud was your town manager, and this is so anyways. So I emailed Wade and then he emailed Vicki. Vicki calls me and she's like, hey, what's shooting range? I'm like, all right. So I went down, I took pictures and sent them to her so she could understand what we were talking about. And I said, look, this is way off my radar because when Dick was here, Adams, he took care of it and it was never an issue. It's just nothing that came up. And I was meeting with a Skip and Dave Griffin who took it over after Dick Adams retired because they wanted some rules changed. They were kind of talking about their experiences, what they would like to see. And so that's how it all kind of came to fruition. And Vicki was great because I said, look, at one point when I'd gone through the insurance, I realized the pool wasn't on there. There was like some things that were missing. We had coverage, but we needed specifics. And this just didn't cross my mind. It just wasn't on the radar. So she was great. She said, look, I don't think anybody withheld. This is just something that happens and it happens frequently. So they had a meeting at Passif and said, look, we don't even know if we want this liability. So Vicki was great. She was gonna reach out to Randolph Fish and Game. There's a club in Berry. There's another one in, I wanna say Heartland or Hardwick. And she was gonna reach out to them. And I said, you know, we talked about it. So why don't you find out who covers them and see what it takes. So she gave me one application. I completed it, sent it, asked her to send with it. The rules and the photos. So they again knew this isn't some huge building and what it was. So by your next meeting, she's gonna have some idea about premiums. I talked to Chris Jarvis about it when he said he couldn't come. I said, look, this is what's going on. And I'm just gonna give you an update tonight. We'll have more information in June. And Chris said, look, if people want the range, then they're going to have to accept the premium and it's just gonna have to go into the tax rate and that'll be that. So he just said, if that's what the residents want, then the majority of the residents, they're gonna have to pay the premium. That's what's gonna have to happen. So if they want the range. So in June, I will have information from probably estimates. I can bring someone from VLCT passive if we want. Tread would come over and Dave and Skip will be here and to talk about what they're seeing down there. But as they said, for the majority of everybody, they've never had a really run-in with anybody. Dick never really did either. Everybody is usually pretty good about it and they've done some nice things to keep the area cleaned up and they take care of their own brass and they take it and they exchange it and they did talk, the VLCT passive did say and I imagine she said this will be true about whoever takes it over, there will be most likely some requirements, whether it's signage or this and that, but it's hard for us. We can't gate that property. Mike Haker owns the other side. So this isn't like we own all this land. We don't. So. It was like the last time we had a swap board meeting, there was a lot of discussion as to whether or not people wanted to have the town on one page. I mean, you could explore options, I suppose, whether if you tried selling it to Mike Haker, but there's the pit there and there's probably reclamation issues that haven't been tackled would be my guess. And the only thing I can tell you, my only experience with this type of situation is in a different town, is you could discharge a firearm in the village and the slack board wanted to say, we don't want to discharge a firearm in the village. Let me tell you what, there were people everywhere from groups outside of the town and the place was packed like I had never seen it. And in the end, the slack board was said, if this is what the majority of you want, then they didn't touch it and they just left it alone. And I'm not sure if that's still the same, but it's tough and it becomes a very hot button issue. And especially this pit has been there for upwards of 60 years, 40 to 60 years. You do have residents from other towns that come and use it. I asked Skip and Dave that and they said, we have some really great folks that come and use it. A lot of times it's been a family thing, but there are some changes that Skip and Dave would like to see, like making sure that people have passed hunter safety so that they know they have the ability to some knowledge of handling a weapon, that sort of thing. But it's tough because you have, we don't have a full-time police department and so there's just some issues there as far as staffing it. You couldn't staff it. Dave goes almost every single day and keeps an eye on it, cleans up any brass and does anything and obviously chats with people there. If he hears gunfire, he will go down, he talks to people. Hey, you know, and he's met some great folks. And if he sees something going wrong, he tries to chat with people and say, hey, you know, maybe there's a safer way or whatever. So we'll have more at your next select board meeting, but I just wanted you to be aware that this was, I was shocked. So I just wanted you to be aware that this was going on. And you may end up at the next meeting, decide you want to do a public hearing or do something else. Maybe it just depends on the premiums, I don't really know. But I just wanted to let you know what was happening. So I talked to Chris Jarvis before I got him, before he called to tell me he had no input, but yet again he had some input. So he said, basically in the end, it sounds like he agreed that, you know, basically he agreed that you should refer the item back to the road foreman and let Allen make a decision on it. And I'm aware that there's a pothole at the entrance from Camp Brook on Dunham, and I'm gonna try to get that taken care of this week because the state's doing some paving. So I have to see if I can, I'm not sure I can get him to do that, but I'll see. And as far as, I mean, in my personal opinion, it's Allen's choice to decide whether or not he's gonna use salt or sand on a road. And I can tell you that not this year we had complaints, I received complaints because the sand had too much stone in it. Last year I had complaints because the sand had too many fines in it. So, you know. Well, and some of these rocks can't have come out of. I don't know. I mean, it just seemed. Yeah, there's an image there. I don't know. I spent a good bit of time raking about 25 feet. Sure. Of my yard, it's beyond the right of rocks. So many of them like that, that had been thrown by the plows over the winter. But is that different? Is that rocks off the road being thrown by the plows versus the sanding? Because he's specifically saying. No, no, no, it's not a sanding issue. Right. But it is, I'm getting rocks thrown back, you know, a good distance back into the yard. And wondering if I was wondering while I was doing that, if there was a way of setting the plow an inch higher or something like that. Yeah. I think some of it's hard is when they grade the road, obviously, if there's stones there. And also, too, if people are speeding, they kind of kick it and it's gonna go further and. Yeah, he graded it. And I've got, but six inches is a little different. Yeah. Anyway, I just thought I'd share my, whether all those rocks kind of. So as I would talk to Dave, yeah. I believe so, I can, I believe that he has. Dave is a frequent e-mailer to me about issues. And then I forward them on to Allen, just kind of an FYI, or I respond to his concerns. I'm aware that there is a large pot hole and there's a lot of them. And obviously it's on our list of things to do this year is to take care of some, is to take care of the pot hole. But he's saying primarily at the entrance, yeah, from Camp Brook. And Camp Brook is going to be taken care of on Wednesday and Thursday. So, getting, so. Yeah, I mean, you know, I think it's Allen's decision. You know, I think that while the select board is appreciative of Mr. Kent bringing the issue to your attention, you're going to refer him back to the road foreman. Now, is it just the nature of the sand that we, that batch of sand that we have to have that doesn't use a lot? It could be, I mean, I'd have to ask Allen. I know that we bought our sand. You know, we, he wanted more grit this, more grit less this year because we had more fines last year. It also could be a combination of maybe some material that he had there. I know that just recently we had McCulloch crushing come and crush. So, it's possible that, yeah, he had some bigger stone in that pile and maybe, you know, he needs to make a, we need to get a better recommendation of the right sieve test for sand. That's a possibility. I'm happy, I can ask Ryan, you know, slack about it and talk to Allen some more. Referring, maybe the size of the grade didn't find a happy medium. Okay, and that's a great suggestion. That's a week and a half. The road foreman referred to some sieve testing and before he purchases next year's sand. Or get sieve testing results or something, or review sieve testing, review. I think that extra amount, I would go back over there. Excuse me? I think that extra amount, there's no sieve thing going on. Us or where we buy it? Where you buy it from. Oh, okay. So, I'm gonna tell them to review sieve testing before purchasing next year's sand. Is that, do you know, is that something that they could do? Randolph would buy it that way, Randolph had a sieve. Right, so. Well, Randolph bought all their sand from the same place we bought it. Yeah, but the adheres went through a sieve there. So, maybe if we were requesting, like, they'd say they're just going straight from there. Yep, they were working on another area with a different excavator and running through the screen. Okay. And that's what we just, maybe it was hogging it down a bit. Okay, so then we'll make sure that they, next year's sand, road sand and. So, don't we run through the sifter here? But it's big. It's big. Is it a finer? They're, yes. Allen has talked about making a small finer one. So, I think if we just tell him that he needs to review the sieve testing and look at that before he purchases next year's sand, that he needs something with more grit than the prior year and less stones than this year. That's fine. That's really perfect. There's just the perfect. Just tell him to get it perfect and we'll be fine. There's a sweet spot and he needs to find us. We need a finer sifter for. Yeah. Maybe we'll run that through there. And well, but if they're. I'm sorry to do that, it's cold. And it's, but if they can sift it, like Dave's saying, let them sift it one before we buy it. Maybe worth the expense on the front end than having our crew spending their time doing it. Okay. But there's still a lot of file on it, so there's only some ways. Yeah, but he's also, and he's crushed some stuff so we can talk to him about that and maybe using this material for some other purpose. So, talked about. I guess this next time, Dave, I'm gonna have to put the tables over there. Okay. We'll do that next time. If you end the meeting quickly enough, it won't be in your eyes. It won't ever? It's okay. Okay. There are a few questions on that. Okay. What do you think of the review? Well, I, I obvious, I mean, I wrote you a two page overview. I wanted you to, I had taken a webinar on last Tuesday, I think it was Tuesday, to let you know, I just wanted you to have an overview of where we sat with this and how the money is working currently. What we can spend it on, what we can't spend it on. We have some ideas here that I've heard from ourselves, you know, from different people. Right now, we know we're getting the 99 per resident. There's a possibility of $149 per resident more, but they have not yet figured out how they're gonna spend the county money. So this one is $200,000. I know they're talking about getting half of it. Yep. Half of it this year, half of it next year. Yes. So is that, is that the total? This is the total. This is $99 per 2030. So, and so yeah, so we'd get it in two, in two amounts, but like I said, we still don't know the actual amount because they haven't figured out how they're gonna divvy up the county money yet. We do think the presenters at the time think it's going to come directly to us, but that's, they're still working out that. The other thing is too, this money was coming so fast and so furious that people are, you know, have been writing to the feds too on guidance, on how to spend this, what can you do? So I just wanted you to know when we have to obligate it by, when we have to spend it by. This is a, it's a bigger bill. This is a brief overview on what we can do with it. And VLCT, like I said, is creating coordination assistance program because I had written to them because obviously I have said publicly and will repeatedly say that I believe it needs to go for infrastructure. Some of the ideas here are other ideas that we've heard about or talked about either within the office or with other members of the community that has been brought to my attention. On the third one down, when I said consider depositing an amount of money into the Revolving Loan Fund, earmarked for lead paint abatement. Like I said, obviously the select board of choosing in, but it could be at a zero or low interest rate. I asked VLCT about this. They're still waiting for guidance from the feds, but there's a very good possibility that if you gave out low or zero percent interest rates over 30 years or 25 or whatever you chose to do, if you chose to do that, that when that money comes back into the Revolving Loan Fund, that at this point it looks like those strings will no longer be attached. So it's kind of a nice way to have economic development money for future projects is if you don't feel comfortable investing in private property and granting the money out, which you may or may not choose to do, this is just another opportunity, another way to do it. I don't see anything in it about an increase in smartphone sales. No, I think that's one of the things you cannot spend it on, but you don't get hazard pay. So no premium pay outside of hazard pay. Yeah, so this is just like it was a, you know, it's a two and a half hour webinar. So this is the kind of what we took away from it. So. No, that seems to be a good consensus but you still don't know what you might really know. Yeah, this is what we know for sure so far. And right, but the state's gonna get a billion dollars of their own. And this is, you're gonna have control because this is unusual. And really you have to thank the National League of Cities. They kind of got inserted themselves and said, hey, wait a second. And this is one of the first packages, I guess, that they've done ever or in many, many, many years. It's finally coming directly to municipalities. In the past, they've given every dollar to the states and then it's the trickle down. But this is one of the first times that they've actually got it to come to us. So. The river is going down. Yeah, well, you know, and that's what, that's what VLCT. It's going down to $6,000 a year. Yeah, that's what VLCT is doing as well. And two rivers is getting a bunch of money themselves too. They're getting money for a housing survey. They're getting, so there's a lot of money to be had here. But I think in the end, once we know for sure what we're gonna get, then I think we need to have, you know what it's like for me, I mean, this is gonna be a agenda item. And we're gonna come up with some possibilities and figure out where we're gonna spend it. The best advice that I think that they gave us in here, and I had written that in here, was that people are saying, you know, be patient to find out what the data's are, but be deliberate and be strategic. And I've provided you with some information from the state where they came out of the gate saying, invest in your infrastructure. Because, you know, but we're also gonna see. But there's also, that's also to be said is, you know, maybe you wanna deal with lead, you know, and on Main Street buildings, you know, there's other some things you could do. So if you have this amount of money, there's also, okay, maybe you put the majority of it in infrastructure, but maybe you put a little bit of it in to take care, you know, for some of these other situations. So it will be put. You just don't wanna head in on something that's gonna have to perpetuate anything. Exactly. I don't want to throw in that. It's one time one. Right, exactly. And, you know, infrastructure is, you know, it's gonna last you a while, as you know. But there's also, you know, there's also some good thought here because the other thing is, obviously they want you to come back stronger. So they want you to think about economic recovery. So if you have Main Street businesses with lead, you know, that's, you know, then obviously it's gonna do better for the turnover of the downtown and the economic if you can get the downtown. Everybody says we want it to look good. Well, I'm sure it's not cheap to, you know, we had to, you know, remove some lead paint and a library in another town. They weren't, that was not a service they were giving away. But we also repairs to the treatment plant. Hopefully that'd be eligible. We'd need a new roof down there. There's the pumps alone. We could spend 75,000 and all the debt that the sewer incurs in the ordinance goes on to the tax rate. Water doesn't have that in the ordinance currently. Water currently stays with the users. The sewer is not that way. So that's also something to think about. So I thought it would be helpful if you at least had an overview of what we currently know about it. Kind of condense the two and a half hours into two pages. Well, I like the idea of if it's doable, the depositing into the revolving loan fund as a zero or low interest rate. I wondered though about making it, as far as I know, there's one building on Main Street that has lead paint. So that becomes only one person benefits from that. Whereas could we think about it in a broader term that still is infrastructure focused but makes the buildings last that much longer or puts back into the system in the same way as the lead paint is a high ticket item. Is there a way to sort of build in something that others can also- And it's gonna depend. Lead was specifically called out in the ARPA money. Yeah, so then- So I don't know. Even if that's the only- It's gonna depend on what other, and those are some good ideas as to figure out what do you think those are. Well, the ones that come up in my mind are like, especially in relation to like energy efficiency if you have like an old building with single pane windows doing- Currently that's nothing that's eligible. Right now that I'm not in my takeaway. Right. So I think you'd have to get, or like just in general, my brain is going through things we've talked about recently of like repointing brick buildings. Like things that are infrastructure based but then not singular focused. Right, and it's tough too, because I think like I said, there's still gonna be some more guidance that comes out down the pike about this. And because one of the things that was, you have to be tied to this. So you could invest in water, but some of it at the time, because I was looking to see if with the money for towards the town garage, but right now it was a historic preservation, wasn't one of the things that had to be specifically into this invest in water and sewer. And that may be the buildings of water sewer, but not other buildings. So I think we're gonna see a little bit more and especially they're gonna have to, if we're gonna get some of this money in June, hopefully we have some more guidance kind of shoulders out, so. I mean, it's great and we're very excited, but it's certainly gonna be a lot to it. I definitely agree with your take of reinvesting in infrastructure. Yeah, I mean, but there's also some other things you can do to address some of the other issues to here, which maybe, and maybe it's not, sorry Dave, maybe it's $3,000 or $4,000 here or there. So if you're getting 400,000, maybe it is okay to put a little into programming to help, yeah, just to put a little bit to address some other need, but I don't know. Well, I guess we'll have to see what other guidance we get and how you feel about it at the time of the talk. Let's see. So at your next meeting, just a heads up, we're gonna be, you'll have a line of credit application for the transfer station. I had received an email, someone wanted me to get the select board to approve it tonight, but I can't approve it tonight. You don't know what the interest rate is, the terms are how much. So I have a Jane Strait called by the time I got to call her back at our harbor, she was gone. So the 14th, hopefully you'll have loan documents. Then would you have to sign, and Royalton has to sign. Well, I would bring it up during the, well, if you're a BITS board, maybe Dave would like you to talk to us. It looked like they had made decisions of fuller current accounts and go over our, for all their accounts and then set up this line of credit through our harbor also. Yep. How does that impact the town? The town's involvement in processing payroll. Sure. Well, Pam and I sat down and talked about it and then we met with Jerry. And it's something that makes obviously Royalton more comfortable, I think, and maybe even other members of the board, I don't know. Kind of, they feel it's gonna separate their finances a little bit more if we don't all bank at the same bank. Pam and I didn't, we don't care. It's gonna be our tax ID number. We'll still get the bank statement. Pam, we already had set it up so that the transfer station has its own warrant, a separate from the town. So what we'll do is she can order checks from Deluxe and they'll just have that account number. So all their payables will now come directly out of their own bank account, which is actually nice for Bethel. Then we're not holding the bank. I'm sorry, I feel like I'm being rude but I'm trying to answer his question. So, so... But Bethel will continue to write the checks. Yeah, we'll continue to write the checks and maybe Pam and Jerry or someone else will be signers on the account. So if Pam was gone, they could sign the checks or whatever. And so then the money comes directly from them and then payroll will stay with copy count. And because it has to, because we're still under the same one person, they're only gonna wanna issue under one name and file all the taxes. So what Pam and I talked about and talked to Jerry about was when we do payables every two weeks, we'll put in one check will be made out to the town of Bethel to cover the prior week payroll. So that way every two weeks we're going to be paid. So we'll get payables will be done and we'll get our money back for payroll. So we won't be floating them this loan on a regular basis. It'll be, we'll get paid every two weeks. So it's another, we already have to balance a check account. So now we're just balancing a check and account from our harbor. So if it makes people feel more comfortable, Pam and I had no problem with it. And so it's fine. And then eventually if we're able to move to copy count then to do the books and so be it. But this is where we're at right now. And as far as the line of credit, I talked to Jean and Jerry, sorry, and said, you know, when we did this in Mascoma, I would have had to figure out, done a cash flow analysis. So what does my harbor want? Because I can't tell you right now how much money you need. We need to do some sort of cash flow analysis. I don't think you just want to run out of the gate at 200,000 when maybe you never need more than 175 or so. And he asked me today, he said an email and wanted us to approve it. Like, no, there's no terms, there's no interest rate, there's no nothing. And a lawyer has to look at this. I said the lawyer is gonna have to review this and they have to give you a legal opinion. Bar Harbor's gonna be looking for that. So there's a bigger process here maybe. Does it make more sense to have the type of illustrator sign it, be a co-signer on the checks as opposed to a number of the board, then they come and go? Well, you know, I don't know. I personally don't want to, I don't want to be a signer on that. But it could be Pam and Victoria. It could be or, but it's still, I don't want Victoria. I mean, well, because she, it makes sense to be a BRTS member in a way because they do own part of the facility. So when you could change a signer, if Jerry was to get done, and it's just like you approve the payables, so far he approves the payables. And if he doesn't want to be, he his suggestion was maybe it should be Pam himself, Jerry Barsal, and then either Dave Eddy or Lindley Brainerd. So I said, whatever, we talk about it. We don't care. It's nice for us to have another signer. And, but we kind of were putting out that olive branch because in the past these signers are Gene Burnham as the assistant town treasurer and Pam. But if they feel more comfortable being a signer, then that's okay. We, you know, we're the ones issuing the checks. So it's not like they have access to write checks. So we just want everybody to be comfortable. So that's what I know about that. Good news. Let's see. So you can see this and then Gene, if you want to look at this and then we'll pass this around. We have been, as you know, working with Frank Severy and the state of Frank Severy from Rochester and the state of Vermont to deal with our trucks on Camp Brook Road issue. So this is the new sign. The state of Vermont has agreed that they're going to have these signs put in. They're going to, what they call gate post, which means they're going to post both sides of the road on both Camp Brook Road and on Bethel Mountain Road. So that's nice for us. We're excited about that. That the state is, you know, they're being really helpful to us, which we appreciate. How do we get those at the front end? Yeah, to that. Yeah, exactly. That's what, let's talk to Robert Geico about that. So lately, and yes, we've had some good conversations about that. The other good thing about Camp Brook Road is I have talked to the state. I reached out to the state of Vermont. Obviously we're down to two people. We're behind in patching and we had a real problem on Camp Brook Road. So they ran it up the flagpole and this Wednesday and Thursday, the state of Vermont is actually going to come in and they're going to do some patching on Camp Brook Road to the tune of four ton. So which also we have to pay for is the material. I don't have to pay for labor or anything else. So they're going to come in and take care of that. Well, Ryan Slack was in the office today. Obviously he drives over the bridge from Dart to Camp Brook and there's a piece on that bridge that exposed some rebar and he's going to reach out to Allen. He said if Allen would come in and cut it, we may be able to work something out there too. So I'm very excited about that and very thankful. I spoke today to Jason Mitchell who did the roadside mowing last year. He's coming back again. We'd increased our budget. So we'll be able to get 47 miles and which is about 14 additional miles those last year. He does four passes, you know, so it's, so it's just nice. Across the summer. Nope. Oh wait, so you get two in there. And so it'll be the second or third week in June, which is earlier for us than last year. But like he said, somebody's got to be first and somebody's got to be last. Last year we were near the end because our original bidder didn't work out. So anyway, so he's coming earlier. So I think that'll be nice. I also found out on Friday that we received so we received the better grants wrote the better grant, better roads grant read up to Rivers and we did some work on it. She did obviously the majority of the work cause she's terrific. And so for doing some work on the dirt portion of Christian Hill, there's ditching and Culver installation. I believe there's three culverts, ditching and some stone lining. So that grant was awarded. The state apparently is going to fund all their structures grants, which means I got the grant to do the bridge on watershed. So that'll be taken care of. Paving grants should be announced. I'm feeling pretty good about that. And so hopefully we're in the money there. So I'll let you know that. And then last week, Green Mountain Water Environmental Association, Green Mountain Water Environment Association. We do obviously, you know, work with them in education and Tim, I am proud to say, Tim Mills was named the water operator of the year. And he was, his name was submitted by Aldrich and Elliot and Wayne had reached out to me and said that he does not normally do this. But I would like to just take a minute to read you what Wayne wrote. Tim has operated the wastewater system for the town of Bethel for 33 years. And as a resident of the town of Bethel, about four years ago he inherited the operation and maintenance of the water system. Tim was left with very limited information on the existing infrastructure. The Bethel water system serves approximately 350 homes and businesses and includes two groundwater wells, two storage tanks, transmission and distribution piping. The state drinking water division performed a sanitary survey in 2016, which identified several major deficiencies that needed to be addressed. Also there were frequent water leaks in the older water lines, which took extensive staff time and were costly repairs for the town. Tim played a critical role in gaining support to move forward and address these deficiencies. Long range planning was initiated by the town in 2018 to identify the short and long term needs for the system. As Tim is very proactive, the project schedule was accelerated and he took a major role for the town on the water system improvements. This initial effort included getting the support of the town managers. He put parenthesis as managers, plural and select board. The improvements obviously included replacement of the original water line down Main Street, small diameter galvanized water lines on side streets, monitoring improvements at the reservoir. He was actively involved throughout the design of the improvements, helping with existing utility location, providing input to improve the project and working closely with impacted property owners. This project included replacement of original galvanized water lines in several areas, making the town eligible for significant subsidy and further reducing the cost to the water system customers. Construction in several locations and during the COVID restrictions in 2020 was difficult to say the least. Even though Tim had his normal responsibilities to operate the wastewater and water systems, Tim was always available to help with locating existing utilities, coordinating shutdowns with water customers and assisting in other ways to make the project go smoother. Construction on phase one is scheduled to be completed in the spring or our case summer 2021. However, the work is not done yet and the town is now working on phase two of the improvements. Tim continues to be proactive and is always looking out for the best interest of the town and his water customers to continue to make the water system affordable and more reliable by reducing disruption to service and maintenance. So I had not, you know, Tim, Wayne Elliott reached out to me and said for somebody, I don't usually recommend people. He's only had the system a short time and he said he was very impressed with Tim, his professionalism and how he'd move forward with the project. So he nominated him, he sent me a form. I submitted, you know, similar from my experience working with Tim as well as the basics of the current water project and, you know, he wasn't a soul person but so the town, they just awarded him that just last week. Yeah, so I think it was a nice boon for Bethel and I think the state drinking water is really gonna look at that and be really pleased with that as well. We know we hadn't in the past always had the best relationship. So that I think at this point is you pretty much know, I think I've told you everything at this point that I could think of. So it wasn't already on the agenda. Yep, he's, and I'm gonna put that out. I actually was just looking for, I found, Karl recommended somebody local. So I'm hoping that I'm going to, I need to find someone to fabricate the rails and then I was just starting to look for a number and then I had a meeting with the fire chief but I was looking, I need to get overhead door company to come down or at least I'm gonna send them the structural plant, the plans that the structural engineer just did to get a price on the new doors. So, so we're moving forward to that. Karl was great, answered some other questions and so at this point, my plan is to deal with the overhead doors. I've already had CV oil come in and take a look at the furnace. The furnace is adequately sized. They're just for some reason. There was no duct work there. So it sits up and then it's just this open heat space. So they're gonna come in and do some duct work to, you'll help the building a little warmer and then I need to have someone come in and deal with some electrical. We have some old fans that aren't always working and just to look at the system, I'm curious if our panel is big enough or if we do an addition is the whole thing gonna need to be upgraded so we can kind of make some right choices for that. So. Looks good to me. So moved. If you think of it later, you can always send me an email. If you get it, you know, review them later and something pops up at you. Feel free to send me an email. I'm always happy to answer any questions. Obviously we'll be doing some audit prep. They'll come, the auditors solvent and powers will come in June. So I actually have a project on my desk right now just looking at some cash balances, making sure things tie out to the current trial balance, things I like to look at before they come and look at June just to see if there's anything we need to make any journal entries. They're done. I went through and made your final appropriations after tax collection. You know, we do them in four for the board. So I just ran those, did those last week. So, you know, solvent powers will come in June, take peak and then we'll schedule for the full audit. So. So we have a talk about days. Yep. So their hearing is tomorrow night at seven. And as there was just a mistake in that because Brad is not the abutter, we're the abutter. So I obviously acknowledge that I'm aware of it because we're the ones who denied their permit and sent them to the DRB. So. And this is not the abutter. Across the street there. Well, no, it's so. Oh, right. But at the time they were because the permit had to come to us or came in and then once, and when we denied the permit, it was Richardson's and then they closed. So, and Jesse had said that it's not Canadian National Railroad. However, that's who's on the tax bill. So he reached out to someone else and there's been a little back and forth between he and the railroad. And he's, Kelly's just gonna print all that stuff out. And I think I forward it on to Rick Benson. We'll put it in with the package so they'll talk about it tomorrow night. So really for them, it's this definition of quote unquote change of use. So with a change of hours and stuff kicks them into that. So they'll go to the DRB tomorrow night, which is actually nice. Now the brat is not technically an abutter. We are. So I signed it saying, yes, I knew about it. Well, if he was probably, well, and it's gonna become a trick because Owen has to recuse himself because he's on the DRB. And so it, you only have so many people on the DR. Not everybody can refuse himself. So, you know, otherwise you've got a problem. So we have some other committee minutes. I have one question about the Transhibition Commission. All right. I'm not sure I can help you. So I'm going to talk about timber harvest on Quimby. Yep. And it's mentioned in here that wanting from the harvest would go to the Transhibition Commission. Oh, we do know one said that. We knew never agreed with that. And so I thought, I didn't think that that was correct. You didn't agree to that. Yeah. At all points, I'll send them a little note. Yeah. The timber harvest yield, the money yield needs $10,000. This would be designated to the Transhibition Commission for treads. Oh, well, interesting. So I thought we did not agree to put the money of the timber harvest. And it says, Alan Patton will write this to know how much road improvements we've got. So it's going to be expected to make some money out of this. Well, what happened is Alan Patton, Farron Griffin and A.J. Fallon Speed, the county forester, walked Ringe Hill. Sorry, I dropped the name. And I wasn't able to go. I said down, listen, my concerns are still the same. We put money into that road after the April 9, 2019 flood. And that is a crazy drop-off down there. So they walked it and together, and Alan, and they agreed, and Alan just said, look, you guys, you can't destroy this. We did all this work to it. So there's another access. And A.J. Fallon's, we had spoken about that when he met with you all in the Zoom meeting and said, he was afraid maybe there was some wetland and some private property issue. They're looking into that now and to see what needs to be done to that road to make the access better. Because Alan was not in favor of Ringe. And I think once they walked it, they understood the issue. And Alan, you know, because that's steep, as steep, as steep. So where does the money come from to do road improvements to go ahead and get out of Pimpers Bay? Yep. Yep, and that's, yep, exactly. That's right. Yep. And, you know, because what we talked about too is that maybe making at some point to the Quimby to make, you know, where the landing is to have part of that be turned into have the logger maybe turn in that into a parking area so that people wanna park and hike Quimby that there's an access. But it's gonna depend on the deal you negotiate. You know, if you're gonna use that road, you know, the towns depends, you know, what needs to be done to the road to build it up to standard? What are they gonna do to it? And, but yes, any money that we had to part with that wasn't normal maintenance, Dave's right. I think you'd wanna take it out of the timber sales. So I'll send an email to the Conservation Commission. Questions about anything else in the back? It's not in the packet, I should have said something there and come and comment, but I'm not a couple of them. The flags around here look like crap. When we passed, somebody has volunteered or whatever to replace them. Yep. And they're torn, they're filthied, it's like nuts. So we. I don't know whether we need to find something to do that or we need to do that or whatever. So. It just works, someone would really work. Well, what the deal is, is every year Neil Fox buys flags and then we borrow the bucket truck from Royal Tim. We were set to do that on Friday to remove the flag, some of the banners and to take down the Christmas lights. But we were unable to borrow for that day. So we're going to Doug Marshall always helps too, because he's wonderful about that. He's gonna try to borrow this week and do some of it himself. We're also trying to coordinate with Neil Fox to get the flags from him. That is something we have not been able to do yet. Does he have to be able to do something? I'm not, he buys the flags and then we reimburse Neil and it's usually a few hundred a year. So we're, we're trying to get that done. And so we're obviously getting the bucket truck from Barnard, they're always great about letting everybody use it when they want. But so it looks like Doug Marshall is gonna be working on that this year. One of the other issues that Plainside received was about the crosswalks. We realized the crosswalks have not been painted yet. I still have to, once I have my first meeting with Aldrich Nellie, I'm gonna figure out, I thought that the stamping, like restamping might be in our contract, so I need to find that out. But we talked about even just updating the white lines. Alan has to take a look to see if he still has some white paint left. Right now it's very difficult to get white paint because there's a plant in Texas and the resin in the paint is making it a very difficult for towns in Vermont to get the paint. I know that I've had at least one resident who wants the white lines of the crosswalks painted before Memorial Day. I really don't think that's going to happen. We also need to look at the crosswalks as to have some structures that were broken by the pavers when they came in and did some paving last year. So I don't really wanna, you know, if we're gonna paint something that's gonna come out. Don't wanna put the car in front of the wall. Exactly, and so I do have, you know, a couple people are concerned about that. I mean, obviously the crosswalks are still there and people, you know, need to be aware of pedestrian safety and all that. But if we don't have, currently have white paint, Franklin, you know, we're gonna look to them but Alan usually gets it. But right now I've seen all sorts of stuff on the V-trans were sending out hits. People are saying it's tough to get and this is why. But the flags are underway and so we tried to get it done last Friday but it just didn't happen. But so Doug Marshall is gonna poke away this week. Oh, Neil, I'm not sure what Neil's health situation is. You know, he was in last week and told me he had the bill and he had, you know, he ordered the flags and I said, just leave me the bill. Like y'all always do, we'll reimburse you for it. And so we just need to coordinate with him to get the flags. And I think that's been more of an issue. I'm not sure if he normally drops them off for Alan picks them up, but it's been hard for some reason. They just haven't been able to connect with left messages and his calls aren't always being returned. So, but Doug Marshall is on the job now. So he'll probably go pound on the door and say, give him my flags. But I really appreciate Doug doing that. When you raised that, Dave, I look at that one. I was pretty faded as well. Yeah. That is, I was looking at the other day when I was, it's just sun bleached from the sun from being in here, but you're right. I was thinking the other day we should probably move them and put them on opposite sides of the stage, but I'd have to take out the Boy Scout handbook to remember what's on what side of the stage should they go. Anyway, I just, yeah, no, but it's true. So any other business? One other comment on six hour last meeting. I had occasion to go take a look over the side of the hill where I lived on Finley Bridge. I counted 16 tires down there. And then after doing that, I then came by the space between the railroad bridge and the river bridge. There was somebody dropped off half a dozen tires and just let them sit by the side of the road. My question is for the transfer station. Is there some, and for the select boards, is there some way that we can make it cost effective for people to actually bring the Blument tires to the transfer station rather than push them over the side of the hill, right? It's just a... And I don't know if you're going to have, you know, dumping is off. Five bucks a piece or whatever it is, it's 26. You just dropped the price, right? Yeah, recently and it's changed the size for a rating to include 17 and 18-inch tires, because I've heard a lot of comments about them. I personally believe that the person who dropped the tires if they were free from the transfer station, they wouldn't have taken them. And there is that group of people. I think that's a true statement. I actually have someone of the community, Chuck Davis called me today and said, hey, Trice, there's 16 or so tires here. He's picking them up that were left beside the road, neatly stacked, he said. Yeah, they were. Oh, nice. They were bought today. And he's picking them up. He was glad he was looking around so he could climb down and get those tires. Well, the ones he told me it was going to take were the ones beside the road. And he was donating his time to bring them. I emailed Jan and said, Chuck, bring in some tires, bill me. I had Oscar look at the dump site down over and he said, holy cow, it's a ways down, which is what you had said, Jean. And so Oscar's idea was to maybe work with Dave Algegetti at the fire department and see if there was some training that they could do at the same time that they're trying to bring this stuff up over. So Oscar had seen it. And because what's happening, which is very sad, is people have gotten really good at dumping trash because we will pick up bags and pick through the entire bag and there won't be a label, won't be a name in it. And so Oscar did say he would like to try to work something out with the fire department, maybe a joint effort between the Constable and the fire department. I appreciate that. Yeah, it would be nice. You know, I'm just, I just, you may be right Dave, but it just seems to me to be, I agree, but I also know that it would be a, that'd be a combination of both select boards that we don't, I guess the board could say, whatever creator, we're not going to be because it costs us five dollars to the editor. And it's gone, so it's lead up. No, it's a pain. And so Paul, the other thing I just thought of, for some reason popped in my head, I forgot to write down, I was able to reach out to Loretta, Chief Loretta Stahlmacher of Royalton, and she has graciously agreed to let us use her portable sign. And we're gonna adhere, put it on Church Street. And she said she'd let Oscar use it for two weeks. I told her I would assume full insurance liability for it, as they paid for the cruiser when it was on, you know, the deductible for the cruiser. So she was very gracious. I told her we'd had an issue there. She asked when I said first thing in the morning, people aren't walking. I had another complaint the other day when taxes were due about it. And you know, we know we have the two new speed signs coming for that are gonna be solar, but there's only so much you can do when you don't have a full-time police department. So I did let her know, or so I reached out to her to ask her where I can rent one. And she said, oh, well, she used mine. And she said, oh, let Oscar use it. So she'll, Oscar will be putting that in at some point and that'll, she let us use it for a couple of weeks. So I just want to say thank you to Chief Stahlmacher of Royalton. And you're looking at this from the full court. I thought we were gonna be here at five. Almost. Oh, sorry, almost eight oh one. Well, she's over there. So moved. We did it. We did it last two hours, but it didn't start with four hours. That's all right. No, I don't, not right now. I don't have anyone to clean them. I asked someone for an estimate. So Paul, I just need you to sign two things. No, I used to do it pretty reasonable. I don't think you'd like to talk to me. By the way, the elevator says to a three level. Yes, sir. So.