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I guess shaming that the fitness Media industry the popular fitness diet and health industry did for so long So what they do what they're doing is they're trying to to fight That which is saying if you're not late lean if you're not Super ripped if you don't look super sexy. You're worthless. You're dumb whatever and they're trying to fight it with Hey, if you're really overweight That's healthy if you're really overweight accept it. It's great. It's wonderful. It's healthy. It's it's not bad Which I think is just an equally ridiculous just opposite end of the spectrum message now This was inspired from yet another is it a magazine that put on the cover? Yeah, I think we were all tagged to get on this right it was it's self magazine So self magazine made this this pivot I think about a year and a half two years ago and they're doubling and tripling down on Woke fitness here, right and trying to and they're and what they're highlighting is cells right like this is a This is a reaction fair to right totally fair for us to react to the decades of Poor messaging coming from the fitness base focusing completely on how we look and it's out news is out All these people that have six pack abs and look amazing on some of these other magazines are not that healthy Yeah, they look good, but they're not technically a lot of dysfunction there, too Yeah, tons of dysfunction many of them are taking steroids like you name it I mean a lot of them are maybe good people. They got all kinds of insecurities. Okay news is out We know that we've been saying that forever. So here is the the overcorrection to that is okay Well, if that's true, then let's stream over correction Like when are we gonna get anywhere close to the middle again? By the way hating yourself? Or hating your body can look like both Right can look like either lots of people in our space and I know I've worked in fitness forever So and I've said this before people who work in our space a higher percentage of them Or have eating disorders and dysfunctional relationships with their bodies in the average population But you can hate your body and become so obsessed with that that you Don't have good relationships. You do things that harm your body you over exercise you over diet Just to look a particular way never satisfied always hating yourself on the other end of the spectrum You could also disregard your health use food as a drug as a way to medicate yourself as a way to bury your feelings Not paying attention to the the poor health effects that those things cause you become very obese as a result It's it's really the same thing just different. It's really is just the other end It is and we have to be there's there's nothing wrong with honesty So there's nothing wrong with saying being obese regardless of any other factor. This is a fact Being obese has negative health impacts on on you. It's got negative health effects and What leads to obesity are dysfunctional behaviors or behaviors that aren't Healthy or good for you and oftentimes look the most abused drug in america. I'll make this argument all day long Is food food by far if it were a drug would be categorized at the top in terms of damage ignoring the reality of what uh, you know Obesity morbid morbidly obese Individuals face is just not a service that is providing anybody any kind of value. We have to get beyond Feelings and and we have to get beyond all this stuff and get back to like really just trying to focus on helping People get back to a healthy body again. So i'm always torn on responding to these things Like we all got tagged on this. I get tagged on post or magazine articles Like this all the time and a lot of times I don't even comment or respond It's not because I don't have an opinion on it or I don't think it's ridiculous or get me fired up or whatever But the truth is I don't think Self magazine is stupid I think they probably recognize exactly what we're saying But they don't give a fuck because they're in the business of people talking eyeballs About that's a big market if you if you consider almost 40 percent of america. Yeah, but it's it's it's placating. It's not fucking It's not them seriously getting behind and supporting It's that it will It will sell more magazines To a demographic that maybe was not buying self magazines before and it will get the other side So maybe the the group that was originally reading and then doesn't like the message talking about it And it'll get fitness people like us fired up and sharing it otherwise I was I haven't fucking talked about self magazine ever Before oh, yeah, I didn't know the last two times they've done these type of you know cover of a magazine and and headlines So I sometimes I Avoid talking about it or getting involved in it because I don't want to give I don't want to fuel the Fuel the fire anymore. It's like that's really what they're looking for It's the same thing why uh, you know cnn loves donald trump and why freaking fox Loves radical liberal screaming, you know fucking woke kids like it's just they they they as much as they talk bad about it They love it because it gives them attention, right? So sometimes I think that that's what this play is really about It's you know, it's this massive virtue signaling thing that really doesn't matter that much because at the end of the day It sells more magazines or and it gets more millions of people talking about them. They win Well, there's no weight to it. It's not helping anybody. It's just uh Again, yeah, it's just serving a you know, a certain person like um, it's just noise just noise. Yeah, some it's either argue about or justify You know like somebody's feelings obesity is the result of a dysfunctional relationship with yourself And with food. Okay, that's the result of it. So it would be no different than a magazine Showing an alcoholic and saying this is healthy. This is me loving myself, right? It's not it's not So you can be honest that doesn't mean you should hate yourself It also doesn't mean you shouldn't be empathetic, but you should be honest now I agree with you adam, but there's another side to it is 40 percent of americans are obese A pretty big chunk of that 40 percent have tried diets are sick and tired of the diet industry the fitness industry Which now has been around at large for at least three or four decades And so you're if you're the person putting this magazine out You're like here is a segment of the market that will buy this. They'll love this message They'll love the that we're telling them don't change anything. It's totally fine. It's all good This is you caring about yourself And i'm going to be honest if i'm the person that hated my body for 15 years And I was told to do crazy diets and you know to to overtrain myself and it resonates with you I'm going to be like, oh my gosh. Thank god. Of course somebody said something like this, right? And oh my gosh, look someone's on the cover that looks like me And so I get it that's also why it's hard for me to And I did though. I still I took the bait and I still commented on that stupid post Um But I hesitate to do it because I also know that that exact person is following that page and feels that way And me being the fitness guy That's why you have to be very careful. It's not going to reach them. Well, not like that, but I'll turn them off I'll turn that person off Exactly why I don't like this because then I then I get automatically pushed into the fat shaming category Because I can't because I can't objectively look at and say no, that's not health This person is not any more healthy than the person you're talking about who has any other addiction It just happens to be food and you're trying to justify it that way and you're getting away with justifying that way because unfortunately My people my fitness my fitness, you know group of people have fucked this industry for so long and have Forced you in this position. And so this is the this is the uh repercussions of that I'm glad you said that because if you do work in the fitness and health space And this is largely talking to coaches and trainers because I believe that the majority of them coaches and trainers Have a deep passion for helping people if this is you and you really are in fitness to help people, right? So it's not this Um narcissistic reason or whatever you actually want to help people When you comment on stuff like this and when you talk about this be careful Don't just rally the other fitness people that want to hear you say how bad it is but rather Understand that you're communicating to people That need to hear this message in an empathetic understanding way and in a way that's going to help them Because otherwise what you'll do is you'll radicalize them even further But I think we should always speak out. We just got to be smart about it. Why do we got to always speak out? because this Type of mentality is a cancer the mentality that says take no responsibility And it's everyone else's fault and it's all great This mentality spreads like wildfire. It is alluring to people Ultimately damaging but initially alluring and it spreads like crazy and then to counter it Is difficult because the second you counter it you're labeled a fat shamer. Oh, you just are shaming fat people It's like oh and it's hard that like how do I counter that? No, I'm not what's and then you're on the defense, right? So we have to speak out on this because just like we speak out on the other bad messaging and I feel so bad because The a majority of people struggle with this. So, you know, it's a again. It's a majority of us struggle with this Oh my gosh, they're getting bombarded from all angles with terrible messaging like When we started the podcast remember when we first met we were at your house adam and I think I said Something like 95 percent or more of the information That's being sold or given to people in regards to weight loss or health and fitness is terrible I remember you guys agreeing and that's true. It's like most most of the insults It's what inspired the content that we produced, right? We knew that there which is what it's like how I answer to when people ask like How have you guys done 1,700 episodes and aren't you already afraid to run out of content? I'm like no as long as the fitness place keeps fucking pushing out garbage information. We've always got something to counter They give us so much Oh god, it's just so frustrating though I swear to god if I could just take like the last two three years Worth of content any of these publications is put out and just put it in a dumpster and set it on fire That would be the move That would be a big fire. Yeah, there's a lot of garbage out there, but it's very sad. It's very sad because if I were in that person's shoes And I didn't know any better. I would fall for it I would I would feel as terrible as I have is I would have felt having failed at my attention Well, that's why I feel like it should anger you though. You should anger you as a fitness professional even if it is like Um, you know, it's just contrary to good information It's not good information to to provide people and you do have to approach it with You know soft gloves because you know who's again paying attention who you're trying to actually help people And it's it's manipulating does make me angry. It's manipulating people the same way that when the fitness industry says things like you're no good because you're fat you're unattractive you have no value You know, they pray on your insecurities. It's just as manipulative. It's no different. It's just a different angle But it's extremely it gets me fired up and passionate, but I don't get angry over it. I mean the truth is It provides opportunity for us to be completely honest, right? So if if all the information out there was good or aligned with what we talked about we wouldn't have much of a job We live in a free country, right? At least right now we do And so it it's not like this is a government mandated way of thinking And so everybody has then that would make me a lot more angry And it I have the opportunity to have a a smarter louder better voice And so that's why I don't get too upset about it. Yes, I can get passionate and fired up Over topics like this because I I see so many sheep and people being fooled by it But I don't get that mad I mean, it's uh, we have the ability to be able to counter that message in with what what we do today So, yeah, it's the long game. Yeah, it is what the short reactions never really do much, right? It's it's about being consistent and the angry reactions. You're right, adam The angry like, you know, it's your responsibility. Go do it. You're lazy. You are not helping anybody You gotta do this. I feel like you're just as guilty, right? You know, it's maybe not the best transition But it does remind me of the the post that gary v just did about money He was asked recently about His definition of success and he kind of went on this little rant about how Fucked up. We have it as a nation right now like this idea of what how we measure and And and say successes and he went in to talk about like Statistically what the one percenters are as far as revenue so that and he says, you know, the crazy part is You know, I've got I've got plenty of friends at all spectrums friends that are making 30 60 thousand dollars a year and 100 grand a year To friends that are making millions and millions of dollars and he goes I know more unhappy depressed fucking, you know, multi-millionaires than I do people that make 60 grand to and he goes I know people that are unbelievably happy in life making 90 grand 80 90 grand a year and so with that So this this idea of like what we've painted the picture of success and what it's supposed to look like is so so flawed It's also with beauty Arthur Brooks told me this he said if you were on a scale of one to ten of five in terms of beauty And you devoted all your time and resources to get yourself from a five to a nine So you're going from the middle to like you're one of the most beautiful people He says that your happiness would increase by something like Like less than five percent or something like I say three percent increase You know it aligns the same with money, right? It does and and studies will show that if your basic needs are net needs are met And you're not struggling past a certain point. It doesn't provide any additional value or happiness and we it's funny. We place all of our eggs in the baskets of money You know beauty material items stuff like that when those are they're not very valuable in terms of happiness They really aren't I would make the same case for chasing like aesthetics to that That's the transition I was looking for and that bringing that up and what you're saying is just that You know, we had this idea of having this crazy ripped, you know cover of a magazine You know 20 years ago is like just the ultimate But how many people do you know that have you know sacrifice so much to get their body to look that whether it be taking drugs or being like You know not going out or doing anything for a year or two years Which is would be a lot of these competitors and stuff like that to look this way and they're unhappy and miserable So that's I unders I I do get the movement on the like By the way, sometimes people are rich and sometimes people are ripped because they're unhappy in other words That's right. They're trying to fix their unhappy. They're medicating with it. Yes, they're they're medicating with fitness I mean, that's exactly what I saw when I got into competing that blew my mind was I really Did not expect that I really thought that When I got behind stage and I got a chance to meet all these you know the 1% in the you know It's like thinking that you're getting the back room of all the millionaires right like I can't wait to pick their brains And hear what they have to say for advice and then realizing. Oh my god. They're all miserable They all have terrible advice or like, you know, I'm saying like that's what it felt like when I got back there with all these competitors That had these incredible physiques. I just thought oh my god Most most of these kids back here are just they have incredible discipline and sacrifice And they've been able to do it for years on years But they're miserable inside and their way of going about it is awful. And if that is what success looks like I want nothing to do with it. Here's what the with the irony is If you if you do become wealthy The the process is what can make you happy not the money, right? So it's very different winning money Versus learning how to build wealth through following a passion or doing something that you feel Is meaningful in that case the process is what makes you six makes you happy Same thing with fitness. It's not the goal. It's not that you're looking a particular way that makes you happy But rather the pursuit is as long as it's healthy, right? If it's a healthy pursuit It's the pursuit that provides a lot of the happiness that you may get, you know, it's funny I just somebody sent me so there's a website called statistical.com where you can look up statistics You guys want to hear something crazy? This is this is this is the average weight gain reported by us adults I just saw somebody post this is that true the like the 40 pounds in the millennials this last year Is that what you're going to reach out to average weight gain average weight gain reported by us adults during the covid 19 pandemic as of 2021 so as of february 2021 by demographic you guys ready for this? Yeah, this is the one I think all us adults 29 pounds that's the average Men 37 pounds women 22 pounds People aged 18 to 24 28 pounds millennials, which are 25 to 42. I didn't know I was a millennial We're all millennials in here. Do you guys know that? They keep stretching. They keep re-categorizing it. We're trying to push us into that category It says don't you remember when he was giving me shit when I was talking because I talk about the millennial thing all the time They were going technically atoms of millennial Well, we're on the cusp between millennials and generation x but anyway Anyway, millennials 41 pounds Generation xers 21 pounds boomers 16 pounds and then it goes on and on and yes the average Person 41 pounds how interesting is that like one pounds technically boomers Should have gained more right if you look at all the other studies that are about like Hormones and the ability to build muscle and to lose weight as you get older and survive that but ironically You know why I think they gained the least I have a theory because I saw that at first I was like wait a minute. How did Older people gain less than people well my theory my theory would be I'll wait to hear your move my theory would be that The millennials had the most dramatic shift in their lifestyle. Yeah, yeah, right? So like if you're a millennial, you're still young Maybe you're playing sports and doing active things and getting out there and doing things and we're just going to work Right. Yeah, just active right you're way more active because you're in your 20s and early 30s And boomers are probably kind of you know, there's half of them are retired. I didn't change much Yeah, I don't really go that many many places. Yeah. Yeah, so that would be my prediction. That's what I thought That's what I thought too. I thought that people who are already retired It don't really change a whole lot Plus it took like my my mom like half the pandemic to figure out how she could order groceries and food to her house You know I'm saying she was still going That's a good point. You know millennials are on it right away millennials like oh my god There's an app for this. Oh my god. There's an app for that and they had it all figured out by week week one They already have the oculus. Yeah boomers were like boomers like what you could have your food delivered So this is another statistic that I think we'll we'll uh, we'll support the theory that we're going to see a huge influx of gym goers and interest and fitness In this first quarter Of 2022 so this massive weight gain, which is I believe it's two or three times faster or more than what we normally see If not higher They didn't have kids on this by the way that would have scared. I bet you if we saw children I bet you that really would have scared people Anybody who has digital fitness programs is gonna do really well. Huh anybody? Yeah, terrible. You're just gonna put it out there. I like your predictions, right? I know dude. It's so it's so sad But yeah, I think I think you're right because a lot of the people in that age group their works at stay home Yeah, that's my guess and then they just ordered food and they watch netflix and didn't go anywhere and I wonder if You know logically wouldn't boomers be more stressed out about the the pandemic concerning the highest risk No, I think most I mean recently the boomers I talked to you. You know why because it's not their first rodeo Exactly not the first time the country was gonna freak out. They've been through missile crisis They've been through other shit that was as scary or scarier and they're like oh here and and then a lot of so It was interesting to me to see and it still is this is happening right now Um, yeah, they've had world wars It really seems to me that uh, you know this division of left and right that we've seen more than we've ever seen That the the younger generation is involved in it more than I would say in the past If I was at a dinner or hearing someone in my family or friends debating politics It's the old it was the old dogs. Yeah, they were kind of debating over some, you know Economic philosophy or social issues that are going on. It was it was this kind of like older conversation It's the opposite now. Yeah I see them being like, oh, who gives a fuck or it's just like, oh old news That was mark norman's whole bit was like, oh really? Yeah, the whole thing and like how you know, we've won as adults because now like, you know The younger generations are taking on all the problems and trying to solve the world Shit and the rest of us are playing video games It's true like that's what I feel like don't you guys feel that way? That's because they're told to kids are told now that they need to care and it's all over their media Social media is used more by kids and it's more and it's on social media whereas before The informat the fear stuff was on the news. Everybody's an activist now No kids watch the news when I was a kid. He didn't watch the news like the care six Oh news is on I'm gonna go play now. My cartoons are over or whatever But you know something else to consider older people when they're stressed So this might play a role sometimes lose weight So I'm so not to downplay, you know What you might have said about boomers not necessarily stressing as much But one thing that's interesting is when you're younger and you get stressed You're more likely to gain weight and when you're older and you're stressed I think sometimes you see is that true lose weight. Yeah, I've trained a lot of older Individuals they picked up smoking instead. No, they just They just don't eat as much the boomers like I fucking give me a packet Well, okay, I'm on my way out It's the Buddhist way if you're like let's say you're in your late 60s You're less likely to all of a sudden become obese if your health declines You tend to lose weight is what you tend to see more often I would say then you know people in younger Well speaking to like, you know the younger generation and kids and whatnot like There's a parent hack that I found that we actually We got this game because I think it was my in-laws They had this and they said here try this out. This is works great Not my in-laws my brother-in-law his family uses this but basically it's called table topics and and So every time we have dinner now like you just pull a card out of there And it's it's really interesting because it asks you sort of a I love it a moral dilemma kind of question And you get to kind of go around and and ask and see like what they would do in that situation Really, you get so much insight on the way that these kids think and you know, my kids specifically like it was It was interesting like you asked something like You know I think one of them. Let's see if I try and remember One of them one of them revolved around like if you were at your friend's house, uh, would you rummage? through and look through things at their house, you know when they're not looking or Uh, you know other ones about like a bank if you knew that your best friend You know had stolen money from somewhere or whatever and didn't get caught like would you turn him in or You know, it's all these like that they gave me some. Yeah. Yeah But it's like it's like all these questions with nuance, you know, like No, I so I shared this as a relationship hack a long time ago. I don't know if you guys remember that Uh, maybe because you didn't know what that game was or so we've had this for a long time And uh, this was something that Katrina and I started doing like I talked about before how we would uh, listen to an audiobook together This game is another thing that we would do we would like we'd sit there in bed and we just pull one out And it would just it's uh the way they pose the questions it creates like this This dialogue it's not it's not straightforward. Yes or no I would do you have to like kind of like It creates a scenario where you really get to see it dive into maybe your partner So why doesn't it cause an argument? Well, I mean it could It absolutely could but I also think that there I mean I think there I wish I remember like some of the ones that Katrina and I that I mean we would we'd be either been together at that point At least nine years or so so knew each other I would say really well But there would be things that we would start discussing. I'd be like, oh, wow I didn't really know that you believed that or thought that way and is because there's specific scenarios. Yeah in terms of So the difference between even like my youngest and oldest how they answer because my youngest is so black and white Like, you know, this is right. This is wrong Most little kids are like no great Which is great because I always want to hear his take first and then you hear Like Ethan's more nuanced kind of well uh, I wonder if You know, he really needed that money and like, you know, you needed something for You know helping somebody else or you know, what the like he wants to know more Context more details. That's and then I I would like add on top of that and like what about if you consider this like so it was At least it starts like a really good conversation that you can kind of go around little kids are like that I tend to be more black and white. I got a moral dilemma question for you So you said moral that I remembered a couple that I We did in psychology class and we debated and it was fascinating. So here's one Let's say you had a time machine And you could go back in time to when hitler was a baby. Oh, and you could kill him. Would you kill him? Yeah, would you do it? Yeah, and it was just great. This guy first of all, what would you hear a baby killer? The answer is yes that everyone would typically say but the truth is no, they wouldn't Because as a baby, you wouldn't know that he was going. No, even if you knew if you go back and you know That's hitler, right? You still got to kill a baby though and not only that but he's innocent at that point He's done nothing. That's what I'm saying. Maybe so it's this dilemma But then you'd save all these people and whatever and then there's another one where there's just kidnapped them Huh and raise them, right? Yeah Put them in a crate Feed his art career You're such a good painter. Yeah, you got good art skills. What's that? What is that? What is that? It was it, uh, there was a tv show Our movie or show it was a series. I believe it was called, uh, What not frat start with an f come on adam. I can get this It had the multiple universes and when you go back you would go back in time and you would do something like that And they would like they would change something but then it changed the trajectory So let's say you kidnapped him, but then he became even more torturous because he was he was angry, right? Time stops. Yeah, you stopped one thing from happening and then it just of course all these other things Yeah, you have no idea if if you did that and then you ended up raising him, right? But it just made him a better dictator and you ended up right Now he had better skills, you know saying so he ruled longer. Here's another one Here's another one, right a train is speeding down a track and it's going to run over A person that you can't free so they're on the track. No, it's going to run over Uh, a hundred people who are on the track and you can't do anything about it except pull a lever And switch it to another track that only kills one person. Do you pull the lever? So that's another dilemma, right? What do you do sitting there? So you're saving one to a hundred people? Yeah, so if you pull it easier one, don't you think? If you pull it, it'll switch tracks. No matter what you're killing You're killing people. Well, you're gonna kill a hundred or one. Huh? Why wouldn't you let me know the dilemma would be if the one person was somebody you knew That would put it a whole new dilemma because that's an easy answer. Oh, I don't give that What that's not like well, yeah, I'll kill a random hundred random people over I mean, that's that's the truth. I'm being honest here if it's like my family That hasn't been that way because it would be sad if it's a hundred strangers and one stranger that that's the You know, that's an odd. There's no dilemma there No, the dilemmas the dilemma is still this if you pull the lever you're a murderer If you don't you didn't do anything that's my point is like If they're gonna get murdered like let let that be on whatever the scenario is I don't want to be a part of it Yeah, so that's that's such a tough like so I would I think that so for me that one's an easy one Because I think it's like at that point regardless of and I was like sorry murder Yeah, I mean I'm I'm either I'm either allowing a hundred people to get murdered or I'm making sure only one person dies I'm a numbers guy guys That's why it's easy math for me where it becomes a dilemma Is if like my family or friend someone someone I know is That's an easy one if it's somebody I care about and it's a hundred random people and this will be sad It's still be very upset about this But most people Hey, hey, you're lying if you're not if you if you say you wouldn't know you're right Of course you would you're right, but it does make you kind of think for a minute. They're like, uh, damn, dude I know totally all right depends on what friend like one friend's worth like 50, but not quite a hundred I put a point system next to the so anyway stuff you gotta think about so I want to ask your opinion about this Justin because I know you're all about meeting your box Have you seen the new offer? No, you like that butcher box. I'm talking about butcher box right now. Have you seen a great commercial transition That meat in the box. Yeah. Have you seen their their offer is what's going on right now? Doug? There's this like new year's bundle a variety meat box. I think Seven pounds of meat right in your box that meat in a box Is that really what it says on the on their ad right here? It says That's more than seven pounds of meat added to your first box for free In your box, so you know, it's okay if mine pump was doing your ads that's what it would look like Yeah, we have Justin take seven pounds of meat in your box How do we fit seven pounds of meat in your box and we'll throw in some free pig No, check this out. Uh, this what they're giving you ground beef chicken thighs and pork butt So for free seven. I don't know. How are they doing this with inflation? Have you seen the inflation numbers? How is butcher box doing this with their boxes? I would imagine that they already have A deals made with like private farmers because in that it's coming from mostly private farmers, right a bunch of Yeah, local and they're you know, they're looking for quality right grass-fed grass So a lot of that stuff isn't is it regulated by other stuff that's getting all kinds of subsidies and stuff, right? So you have there it's they're less impacted influence. I would believe I would think I don't know I would believe their impact. They're always but less so because there's less middleman, right? Right because you're not going three or four steps down But I mean seven pounds for free in your first. That's a lot. No, that's that's you always got options That's the biggest thing is I love coming home. It's like If in doubt, there's some meat in the in the freezer that you can make something out of it You know like and it helps. Oh, I bought a I have a freezer in the garage I have not just a deep freezer, which they're inexpensive. I don't know Build the meal off the meat then you build everything and I and I'll I'll get like a lot like if it's on sale or whatever Or butcher box has a deal I'll fill it up and it's all there ready to go and you just pull it out Defrost it for the next day and cook it and you got healthy food Whenever you want you save a lot of money and money. That's true. We were talking about this earlier You guys look at your bill when you eat out food price has gone through the roof It's crazy. Yeah, it's been yeah It's one of those things that you don't really pay attention a lot of times the receipt And then I just started looking at it and was like, oh my god like hundreds of dollars You know, I have I got three kids when we go out to eat if we go out to a semi whatever restaurant I'm not even talking about like, you know super nice just like A normal regular restaurant you take your family to it's 200 bucks at least For all of us. I'm gonna spend 200 bucks on the bill just to eat, you know, some food or whatever It's kind of crazy. Yeah, you see the uh, you know speaking of the inflation and how it's impacting all these different All these different markets and industries is uh, you see the cars, man. The cars are crazy I don't think we're gonna get our car till next year, bro. I know it's I'm almost 100 sure I mean, I think they sold us on oh, yeah, we're thinking six six months Maybe nine tops like I'm thinking a year and a half just like car salesman get a bad wrap Yeah, just to get the deal. Come on and it's like American So it's not like it's coming from off see has everything to do with the computer chip Because basically all all cars all cars today are just you know, computer on wheels now That's really what most all cars because my brother that works in that part of the uh, you know The chip industry and was like he keeps pushing out even like two three year dates to uh people that are ordering Still and I'm like no Because yeah, who knows who knows when they're gonna sort all this out. So new car prices I think we're up something like nine or 10. Did you see used car prices crazy 37 bro I'm so tempted to sell one of mine because the only problem is I don't want to replace it exactly So that's why it's so if you have a used car. You're not gonna use you are gonna 37 percent is the average rise in used car. My brother bought a car Okay Sold it two years later with a lot of more miles on it and made more money Sold it for more than he bought it for well, I mean, I'm I'm in a really cool situation right now because three years ago So march will be my my third year. I'm up on my lease. So three years ago I leased that Mercedes so and I'm buying it out, right? Oh, but you're gonna get a good deal now because it was locked in Yeah, it's locked in so my you're they when you do a lease they have the buyout the day I could buy that out. I could have bought it out anytime I want So All they do is they add the the months that you would normally pay the lease to the left, right? So I would have buy it out right now to have to pay January and February's payment plus the buyout price But the buyout price is so low for that car. I could probably sell it for 10 15 grand more So you make money on it. Yeah, I wonder if the dealerships knowing this are gonna offer. They do they offered me What do they do? So they so I have a lot of different options right now because I already called in to see like what I what I could do And they will they'll they'll buy it back from me I could pay or I could keep it and keep leasing it for the same price So that's an option or they'll they'll Allow me to trade it in and get a new one. The problem is if I want to get a new one I'll be subject to the new rates and all the rates are up on everything So well, what's the deal though if you could have got a new one? Anyway, if nothing changed, is it is there like a better deal or something? Well, then buying it out is a better deal Okay, yeah, they normally wouldn't pay that much for it. You basically would trade it in for nothing Where they would they would pay me a little bit premium, but I'd be way better off Buying it myself and then selling it on them on the mark because they are that's they'll they'll give me a premium because There's such a high premium already And then they'll go ahead and turn around sell it for an even bigger premium because of the way the market is right now So but I'm far better off doing it myself And that's what what I'm going to do is I'm buying it outright and then I'm going to just shop and just like let's see Let's see what I because I don't necessarily need it And if I have to drive one of the other vehicles or worse case scenario, you sell it make some money What's I'm saying on uh stock in car max? I do. Yeah, how's that doing? It does it's it's one of my better ones Really? Yeah, I was gonna say they use car market must be yeah I haven't looked at that. So I that's another so that's my Charles Schwab account I don't go I don't look at that one as much as I do my e-trade account But uh, yeah, I bought it along. I but so you know what made me buy that stock? Uh, Hurricane Katrina So car max just went recently went down actually. Well, everything's going down, right? Yeah, everything's down right now It's but I bought it like in the 40s, dude. Did you really? Yeah. Yeah 119. Yeah, I bought it So I bought it right right right when her hurricane Katrina hit And I can't remember what I was reading or what I was watching they they're saying about how many people Lost their cars in there and at that time car max was the number one Use car dealership in there and most insurance claims would give you enough money for your cars You go right out do that and because they had such a large fleet and in that area it was kind of like a No-brainer buy interesting. Yeah Speaking of weird car markets, you ever wonder why pictures of Cuba always have like 1950s american cars in them You ever you ever wonder why? Oh Yeah, I remember hearing about this like there's all kinds of like Especially the years of the 50 the tri Chevy years like they have tons of those cars because of what? Okay, so if you go to cuba right now, so I don't know about right now, but you know it was calming this country for a long time and Embargo like no, we're not trading with you. We're shutting you off So they got american cars up to a certain point and that was it nobody was trading with them anymore So what people did is they had all these old american cars and they just kept remaking them making them look nice Taking care of so if you go there now You'll see these old some people own these old american cars because they they can't buy any new ones. Oh, that's interesting Yeah, you've ever wondered that that's that's one of the reason I didn't even know that that's actually a really interesting fact Because they could probably sell it back to america for a decent price if they can't sell anything Yeah, they can't that's I know I've tried to look into that because somebody told me about that Oh, that's so many oh my god, and that's like current these are current pictures. Yeah, so I don't my god That's like the 50s I don't know if trade is is more open now than it was but for a long time It was like shut off like you it was even illegal to get cuban cigars. Remember that Yeah, it's still like that. Yeah, do you did you know speaking of cars? You guys we brought up on this podcast maybe three four years ago This market or this I think we actually even talked about this company Turo to you ro I think that's how I think I wrote it over there sent it over to you dove the rice So they're basically uh the air b&b of cars So and they so you can rent you can rent a car from someone else a private They're about to go public right so they've been growing year over year even with the pandemic. Oh, that's a buy I like it. I like it a lot. I just you know, I do we just talked about this recently too that we're moving to this era of Nobody owning anything and just you know leasing or borrowing or or loaning or renting Is just going to be the way of the future. So I have friends in San Francisco that I don't know if they work with toro, but they do this Where they don't own cars, but we have family in san jose And they don't go through your typical, you know enterprise or whatever they go through these apps And they'll drive they'll they'll ride their bike or whatever to someone's house The get the keys and take the car and and drive it. Yeah, I really want to um, I really want to try it out And and just experience it for myself So I wonder if it's going to be a little bit like do you guys remember like I I've been using airbnb and vrbo since basically it started and I remember when we first started this podcast and just you know, eight years ago how different It is today than then like it looks way more like the hotel industry today than what it did then You first used to do it you show up to someone's house You know they get their picture frames up and like, you know bed sheets that are probably four years old and like You know i'm saying like it just felt like you were renting definitely Yeah, yeah, you were you you could tell and you felt like you were renting somebody's house Um, or that you were so I wonder if that's even how this is looking right now where you get in It has like somebody else's kind of smell to it and they're maybe there's their drink that they had yesterday I was talking to my cousin about this because again, he lives in the city and he does this Yeah, he showed me the math. He said you could buy a car I don't remember what company he shows hunday or something they had a deal I was like like $99 for you know a lease or car payment So whatever and he goes you could buy that car This is your lease payment and you could rent it out for this many days of the month and you'll make a profit And he goes there's people doing this right now. They're buying cars. We're leasing them or whatever specifically for So yes, and they rent it to and this and that is how that's the way to do it Well, I mean that's that is the natural evolution of air b&b I mean air b&b first were people that had second homes that they just weren't using And they thought oh wow, I have this second home. I'm not using it. We could rent it out Isn't that where all the investors were interested in single home families? Well, that's a part of why that is going that direction and where and that's my point is I'm sure there's people that have already figured the math out that it makes a decent business model And it's only going to grow and keep going. I would I would bet though There's a good percentage that probably look like you're borrowing somebody's car right now that did but But sooner than later, I bet you're gonna see it like air b&b where That the norm becomes it's just like you're renting a car from Yeah, you have a person and they own a fleet of you know 10 cars or eight cars and they have a maybe a lot or they have You know a garage and a driveway or something where you go pick up your car and they make a little bit of money My question is insurance. How does car insurance work with that? Because it's okay for me to let a friend borrow my car But would my insurance so I imagine that's part of why you go through a third party like toro That they provide. Yeah, so toro has I believe like I think I read this I believe they have some sort of like a million dollar policy or I don't know I'm just spouting numbers. I don't know what I'm talking about But I know it is like they have a policy that covers their drivers So you as the owner of the car You have your basic insurance for when you you crash it with that But if if someone who is using toro is using your car I think they could which is why you would give up your otherwise it'd be better for me Just to go to Justin and go like hey, bro. You want to borrow my car at 75 bucks. Yeah, you're right You're right. They have their own. So here's the other thing. How much is it? Oh, it's not a million It's 790 or something that 750. Yeah, I mean Who's gonna you're not gonna lease out a car or rent out a car that's more than seven. Yeah Here's my Bugatti No, you know in my cousin said that a lot of people who don't have credit or who have had bad credit Go through these private because a lot of people don't realize it's it's hard to rent a car from the big car rental companies If your credit isn't amazing or whatever, right? So he says that a lot of people go through these private peer-to-peer You know companies in order you will and also too. I remember like we're in hawaii remember how hard it was to rent a car They had sold like half their stock. Yep And so then they're still trying to reacquire Vehicles again now. Okay. So, you know what would probably I'm gonna guess here. I wonder if Trucks, I wonder if owning a truck would be very profitable on something like that because a lot of people Don't want to necessarily own a trunk a truck, but then they may need one What a great way to be like I need I'm moving this week. I was one of the first to jump on that I mean, I would I would say yes, but also I mean Like just to pick up U-Haul has done a pretty good job of of you can rent just to pick up for 19 bucks So good luck trying to find this thing to be that much. Maybe maybe you could I don't know Maybe I mean, but I mean U-Haul has done a pretty good job to for someone who's just looking for a truck for work Right Where I see this is just the future of like kids will go. Why should I don't need to own a car? I have to time I walk the other time I buy because I sometimes use the electric scooter And then every once in a while I want to go on a nice date. So with that. So what is that four times a month? I want a nice vehicle to go to dinner. I want to go somewhere that I'll just rent it How is a company like this going to survive when? Self-driving cars become the norm and everybody's kind of renting those I wonder if they'll transition I mean the truth is that's so far ahead still we we act like that's close But that that transition is so far away. So I'm sure that they're probably already looking at it and going All right, here's how we'll pivot when that right And I mean and again, I mean they could potentially have a viable profitable Incredible business for the next decade and that not even affecting it until then, you know, I'm saying so and they've already been running They're already in the middle. I think they saw like They I want to say they did like 70 million or something like that. Oh really? Yeah. No, they're wow. That's great I think they were boasting that they had a hundred and what can we can we keep an eye on when it's going IPO because I'd be very interested in that in that company speaking of Good quality companies. I finally Ripped a pair of my Viori pants. Finally the ripstop the ones that say rip. So finally ripped the rip stops the butt Welcome to the club. Uh, yeah. Well, I'm saying this because I know you've done this like five times Yeah, at least a few and what was cool is they sent me a new pair and everything But it was like I don't know what it was about the rip stops But I had to actually move on to the metas. Those are like my new gene. Yeah, it's the cakes area That's that's the problem. Yeah, but I rip mine working out and so I think it might maybe my butt's growing Justin. Oh definitely wasn't from you doing the athletic, right? No, I wasn't hitting those squats like crazy. I wasn't jumping or doing Dynamic that's for sure This morning I go to put them on I look at the back. I'm like, oh, I was kind of proud Now are the so what pairs do you have you have ripstop? I like ripstop. I like the sunday joggers Those are the two that you those are my favorites. Yeah, the sunday ones are super comfortable But the ripstop they're not I like the way that they feel I like to work out legs in them because they feel a little Bit more supportive. That's weird to me because I like the chinos too. I think I think that's what they're called But they're like a more loose fit. Is that the chinos right there? No, these are like these almost these are veery, but they're they're almost more like I hate to see slackers, but like yeah, you're slack. Yeah, I'm more like Yeah, yeah, well speaking of athletics got a new study on how exercise benefits the brain Which is pretty cool another nail on the coffin on the dumb in the dumb jock You know narrative, right? So check this out I know right remember that back in the day. Yeah exercise alters brain chemistry to protect Aging synapses so when elderly people stay active The brains have more of a class of proteins that enhances the connections Between neurons to maintain healthy cognition A new study has found so this was at the university of california In uh, san francisco now, obviously it makes sense the brain is an organ So if you're healthy and fit then like your heart and your liver and your kidneys your brain is going to stay healthy But it's interesting because not that long ago people thought keeping your your brain healthy meant doing cognitive exercises But physical activity physical activity is one of the best things you could do for your brain Well, I mean, technically it's cognitive tool. I mean when you're doing anything you do is your brain, right? Yeah, especially I think that's another another added value to those the complex barbell movements that we talk about all the time I mean, I can be Drifting away and thinking about other things uh than my arms when I'm doing tricep push downs But if I'm Sitting getting ready to do squats and I got 225 plus on my back. I ain't thinking about nothing else You're still problem solving. Yeah, you said it. Yeah, physically problem solving and that's the thing Is all of this is feedback that you're providing to your brain neural feedback. It's actually in crazy How I mean the I've seen who did we talk about on this podcast about the math that's computed to throw a ball Oh, yeah, yeah, like it's it's crazy. It's also on a predictive level Yeah, that your that what your brain is doing in order to do that So yeah, but the belief was like, oh if I do like word puzzles and if I memorize poems and read That that's going to keep my brain healthy if they're gangster you do a word puzzle while you squat while you squat That's what I do No, it's the physical activity and muscle is very protective of the brain because muscle is great for insulin sensitivity and Losing your ability to really utilize insulin properly can lead to Things like to mention. I was now is the reason for that because the muscle puts more demand on glucose. Is that why? So it's it's it's prioritized there instead of yeah, it's one way your body will store glycogen But also muscle is very insulin sensitive. So like they'll have studies on obese individuals And they won't lose any weight They'll just have them gain a little muscle and you see this In crit this great effect on insulin even though they haven't lost any weight just because they've gained a little bit of muscle So building muscle, especially as you age just makes a big difference but it's good information to know because Again, it wasn't that long ago where that wasn't the message the message was oh, it's good for your heart It's good for everything else, but the brain, you know, it doesn't really have an effect Not true. It's got a profound cause of interconnected on the brain. Definitely Hey, look, do you have digestive issues because you eat a high protein diet? You're trying to bulk you find yourself bloated Having gas heartburn. Well, sometimes digestive enzymes can make all the difference in the world But not just any digestive enzymes You want to go with a company that focuses on athletes or people who are focused on performance Muscle building and fat loss. That's why we work with a company called mass zimes They make the best digestive enzymes we've found anywhere. So go check them out head over to mass zimes dot com forward slash mind pump mass times is m a s s z y m e s dot com again forward slash mind pump and then use the code mind pump 10 For 10 off. All right, here comes the rest of the show. Our first caller is gracing from oklahoma gracing. What's happening? Uh, I am a currently a junior in college. Um, i'm a biology pre-med student I've pretty much just grown up with you know, wanting to be Doctor and everything like that. But um as I've gotten older, especially I've really just like my passion is in Health and fitness, you know, that's what I'm really interested in and so I want to do something, you know That's health and wellness related Um, and I I haven't seen a ton of doctors that have really created a practice that is, you know Kind of interconnects the fitness and the medicine industry And so I really just wanted to come to talk to you guys since I know you guys have such an extensive knowledge Of the fitness industry as a whole and see, you know, if you guys know Or have been around physicians Or anyone in the medical field that's kind of, you know intertwined The medical and the fitness industry. Yeah, no, that's a great question and uh, thank you by the way for your interest I think this is a great combination When you have the expertise of western medicine combine it with You know fitness training nutrition type coaching Now here's the the challenge with what you're asking and I know you're asking do I know anybody like that? You know off the top of my my head not necessarily, but Here's the challenge and I'm sure you know this better than anybody When you're trying to become a specialist in western medicine like you don't have time To also simultaneously become a specialist and gain the experience that's required To be really good at training and coaching people It's really hard to do all by yourself. So what I would do in your shoes is this And I've thought about this a lot in the past. In fact, this was actually Something I even thought about doing at one point, which is When you figure out what your specialty is Do that and then you can get your own office and then within that office I would have a space for correctional exercise with trainers And with people who can coach nutrition and when people come in They'll see you as the specialist But then they can work through coaching with nutrition and they can work with exercise specialists Within your facility. I think that would be so valuable And I actually think that that's the future of a lot of medicine. I think it's it's going to be a combination of those things Oh, yeah, I worked at a while. I didn't work. I would did like an internship When I was in college at this place in condell medical center Right across the street from there was this amazing gym that had Physicians on hand. It had personal trainers physical therapists You know, you name it everything was sort of in-house and it was great because they all communicated with each other And we're able to you know blend The the programming and everything to fit and tailor that specific client Amazingly, so I think that there's I would love to see more of that kind of synergy amongst everybody's professions Working together like that. Well, I think that's the I think that's the answer is you're more likely to Partner up with somebody who's like the if you're gonna you go the doctor route and then you partner up with the fitness expert or You go the the fitness route like yeah, and then you find a doctor that aligns with your values and you partner with the doctor Um, and I think not to say that you can't do both. I just think that if you go through all the work and effort to become a doctor Uh, the the money side of the fitness side is not going to be very appealing. You know what I'm saying? It's like, uh, I could see patients And practice western medicine and I get paid this much If I spend any time over here on this kind of training clients personal trainer side I'm not making shit compared to that So I think that would be the the challenge that you would probably Run into if you were trying to kind of live in both worlds, you know, the only person who comes to mind, uh Stephen Kraball kind of like this. Yeah, he's a functional medicine. Yeah, he's got both He's got he's got western and eastern medicine. That's what makes him kind of unique which But still primarily a doctor not really personal training or recommending. I mean, he does a lot of stuff in nutrition Yeah, um, but not really recommending that. I mean that that would be my recommendation is to is to work on being a specialist Uh, specifically in one of those areas and then trying to align yourself with another specialist in the opposite and and and Because you have a passion for both You'll have probably a good idea of what a good trainer looks like, right? You would look you you would align your values well with that versus your your traditional doctor that maybe doesn't care as much Or yeah, and if you stay the medical side, you could get sports medicine Experts and you can get physical therapists who also have Some specialization in other forms of exercise because physical therapists are the best For correctional exercise, but then you want to also understand progressive overload and that kind of stuff And there's a lot of pts that also know that as well So it's a it's a medical facility even covered by insurance that kind of incorporates all of these things I really do see this the being the future of medicine in a lot of different ways So you're you're you're headed in the right direction Uh, completely Grayson Well, thank you guys. I I really appreciate that and um, yeah the other thing that you know, I was You know kind of interested and I've kind of been looking at is the physical therapy route Just because I know you guys mentioned the other day that you know Part of kind of the disconnect between an md And you know the patients and everything when they're trying to give health and wellness advice and stuff like that Is they're not with them every day. So I thought maybe you know, I'm you know If I went the physical therapy route, I could get that you know, maybe three day a week connection with a with a patient Where you could have maybe more of an impact and so that's kind of just what I'm trying to decide at this point because I do I you know, I love that part of You know that and like I just love the fitness industry so much And I'm like man, if I want to do what I love, maybe that's more of a route. So just kind of figuring it out You know at 20 years old you're it's a great great age to be at to be asking these types of questions and probably some of the best advice could be too is just to Uh go go dabble in a little bit of all of it and see what you find yourself most passionate about What is it that you stay up at night Reading and and learning about when you're not getting paid and you don't have to study for a test But just because you're interested in it and let that drive Your decision on where what direction maybe you you should go as far as a career, you know and and Play with everything. I mean, I feel I feel like at this age It's a good time to to try all these ideas that you have out and just see which one you naturally kind of fall into Based off of what you're spending time doing when you're not being told to or getting paid There's a lot of directions you can go I mean you can't even go the direction of orthopedic surgeon and then in your facility work with Physical therapists and trainers and people who work nutrition. I mean, there's so many ways to complement All these different fields. Um, and if you're the medical expert, it's your it's your facility I mean, I I I tried doing this with uh with doctor clients of mine Not necessarily creating a business together, but I created a network of people I'd refer to so if I had somebody who had You know, uh, gastro issues or I had a Gastro specialist I would send people to I had a Two couple general surgeons that I could refer to if there were some issues and I had some Therapists that I would refer to so I could I could see there's so much potential here Um, but I think Adams Hit the nail on the head like do the for you specifically Do the one that you feel most passionate about because you'll be the best at that Um, and then you can supplement and complement with that with other people helping you in that. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, for sure. All right. Perfect. Thanks for calling Hey, well, thank you guys for having me on you guys are awesome. You guys big time. Thank you guys No problem Yeah, my best success Hands down period with clients was when people worked with me and they worked with you know one or two Other specialists that were experts at things that I was not I had people work with me and then massage therapists and physical therapists or With me and you know people who were experts in nutrition or with hormones And it was wonderful because what I would do is I would create these these Email threads where we would all work together. Yeah, and sometimes it would say to me. Hey, Sal I don't think you should be doing Squats with this person because I'm noticing an issue here with the knee or whatever on that I would say well, what about this particular issue with mobility? I said, you know, that's a good idea and we would go back and forth and construct Like the best A culmination of therapies and the success rate was tremendous It just seems that that's the most likely scenario right is to To get together with other specialists and then create some sort of versus What I got he was asking at the beginning, which is more like what he could do all of it I just don't see I don't see you being I don't know any Some hybrid of that. Yeah, just I don't know any doctors that went through all the schooling to become a doctor and then thought I'm gonna also I'm gonna go do 10 years. I'm gonna go do personal training And I mean, what's your what's your guys's guess on why that is? I mean mine is just the money, right? It's the money in the time Yeah, you put all that time and effort into getting your phd and the at least you're making a pretty good income You go to you go to school. First of all, you have to crush in college Then you go to medical school. You got to crush there then you got to do an internship You got to crush there the whole time. It's bell to bell very stressful very challenging Then you get to start to practice medicine And you you you now need to build experiences a doctor You're gonna go and become experiences a trainer for another five to 10 years Like I guess it by the time you're 50 you might be ready, you know, but that's that's a lot You know, I think and I also don't think you'll be as good As you being the expert on one thing and then working with having other people work with you The neat part though is if he has a passion for both, he'll have a good eye for who to just you know I'm saying so he'll have a good eye for what to look for in the trainer or the pts or the other The other practices right to align himself with our next caller is alexandra from new york alexandra. How can we help you? Hey guys, um, so I'm calling in because I was listening to a recent episode where you guys were advertising mass enzymes And I have to admit I don't know much about these digestive enzymes But the way it was described in the episode really spoke to me in that it sounded like, you know, if you have Problems digesting protein or things like that. It can really help And so so candidly that's an issue that I've kind of always had And I don't think it's like a particularly big deal for me personally But there are times when I would like to eat more protein to put on more muscle mass But I struggle because I can easily get You know constipated So I just try not to eat too much protein. Anyways, when I heard about mass enzymes. I thought that maybe This is something I should try But you know, I have a couple of concerns because from what I've heard from other people not about mass enzymes specifically But just about digestive enzymes in general, which is one when you take them They can kind of make you go to the bathroom a lot more You know like shit more And So one is is that I've done that before do you think that's true? And then and then a follow-up to that is if you do start taking them Um, do you think you would kind of start relying on them? To go to the bathroom more. Um, I wouldn't want to get like hooked on them. Yeah Yeah, that's my two bar question. Yeah, good question. Okay. So uh digestive enzymes can definitely help with digestive issues If the issue is you need more digestive enzymes for your diet. So if the issue is that you have I don't know small intestinal bacterial overgrowth Or you're eating a food that you're intolerant to or you're lacking fiber or here's a big one You're not drinking enough water Then it might not help that much So if it is indeed that you need more digestive enzymes I would say they're inexpensive try it out and see if it helps But if it's not that it could be something else It could be what you're eating. It could be lack of fiber. It could be lack of water Um, it could be stress. It could be a lot of different issues that can be causing digestive issues Now as far as becoming reliant on them. No, you're not going to become reliant There's no negative feedback loop that I'm Aware of with digestive enzymes where if you consume them your body, you know produces less of them So probably what happened with your friend my guess is That she she used them they helped And she continued to eat foods that would normally cause her problems So then when she stopped taking the enzymes then she gets those problems back So the answer for her might have been to change the foods that she was eating in the first place I hope that makes some well I didn't I didn't mess with this at all until you actually because you're you're notorious for carrying around all your little Your little vitamin purse that you have and every time we would eat something off It's a mess. Yeah, you would eat these digestive enzymes and I thought you know what we were I think one night we were at the Tahoe place. We're getting ready to eat either pizza or Something that had a lot of gluten and I I asked you guys because Justin does too. I see him use it I'm like, you know, it doesn't like when I eat pizza It doesn't destroy me But it definitely if I have more than like four slices it could it could ruin my night for sure a lot of our nights when you do that so I I asked to try it and I noticed a significant difference in how I responded to the pizza So now I try and if I ever I'm going to eat like ice cream or gluten two things that I know that I have intolerance to By doing that, it doesn't I know it doesn't fix the problem I know it doesn't but it does mitigate I feel The the effects that I would I would feel from that. Is that is that correct and should that should that be happening that way? Is that right? Yeah, no, it is and it's like I don't know. This is not really a good example, but it's like taking anti-inflammatory right after you something That's inflammatory So it can help but the ultimate issue is that you eat, you know, gluten and ice cream right that bother you The way that I use digestive enzymes Is I use them when I eat very high protein meals, especially if I'm not eating a lot of vegetables with that It can make a difference for me. I also use uh, I'll substitute fiber So I'll take psyllium husk that can help Now that's what works well for me for some people that might not Necessarily help the good thing about digestive enzymes are they're inexpensive and you can try them out And see if they help but ultimately just like any supplement It's not the ultimate cure right the ultimate cure is let's figure out at the root Of what's going on and then use those In order to mitigate issues when maybe you go off or you eat in a way that might normally boil That's what would you classify like the hcl pills like and so I I usually do that to kind of cut back at some of the So that's hydro let's see hcl is a hydrochloric acid Yeah, so it's stokes basically you know acid production your stomach It is it is the acid that you produce, but that's not a digestive enzyme But see that's another one, right? So if you have low hcl It can create an environment where bacteria actually builds up in your small intestines and then you start to develop issues Um and believe it or not heartburn is a common side effect of not producing enough You know acid which a lot of people think it's the opposite They think they're making too much acid oftentimes. It's you're not making enough acid So digestive issues tend to be complicated, but digestive enzymes are a very safe easy Inexpensive thing that you can experiment with and the reason why we work with bio optimizers mass zimes Is because they design them specifically for athletes So the the enzymes that are good for Breaking down the types of foods that we tend to eat a lot of especially protein You tend to see more of them in there and I've messed with a lot of digestive enzymes And there's a lot of them that are good out there But they're one of the better ones and that's why we chose working with them But no you won't become you won't become dependent But if you don't solve the root issue, um, then you may need to use them always whenever you eat foods that tend to cause Problems does that make sense? Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. I mean it sounds to me a little bit Like there's some trial and error here. I mean you mentioned a few of the different root causes You know, I think for example water That's one that I feel like I do drink a lot of water But you know, it could be the the um the bacterial growth that you're talking about and You know, so maybe it's trying the enzymes if that doesn't help then maybe exploring other things or you know Maybe it's cutting out foods. Maybe there are certain foods that I Don't digest well that I I just don't know about So it's probably a little bit of a process to get there But it sounds like it doesn't hurt to at least try the enzymes. Totally and Alexandra the a gut health Specialist is worth their weight and goal. Okay, because let's say you do have SIBO, right? You can fix it. You can actually cure it You might be have you might have lived with it for, you know, five years. It's something that's curable, right? Digestive experts or gut health experts are so valuable because once you and I'm speaking from personal experience Once you solve some of these issues The impacts are far ranging on your whole body and your mental well-being I mean, I I feel better mentally when my digestion results in the gym, too Oh my god There's a six six to seven pound weight difference in me when my gut health is good versus when it's not so I I suggest finding a good gut health specialist In it's it's there's a lot of testing involved. You'll probably have to do a stool test You'll probably have to do some blood test and you might even have to do an you know endoscopy or whatever Depending on the situation, but totally worth it. So that's that's where I would send you first But the digestive enzymes doesn't hurt you can you can throw that in very safe supplement Um and again very inexpensive and it won't hurt to try Awesome. Yeah, I'll definitely do that. Thanks guys. Thanks Andrew. Appreciate it You know, it's funny is that um It wasn't that long ago. Maybe like I know when we started the podcast Nobody in fitness talked about uh digestive issues. Nobody. In fact, it was just something you worked through Yeah, and it was actually accepted. Like, oh, yeah, you eat a lot of protein. That's why you know, whatever It wasn't accepted. It wasn't um An issue that anybody talked about then people started to become aware And some people started to fix their issues and they found how profound it was I'm glad that people now ask these questions and are paying attention because I think for a long time people just took antacids or took you know, um stool softeners or You know things for diarrhea and they just took them regularly thinking this is just the way I am And no, there's a root cause well, what I find amazing too is I think a lot of people don't realize how much It can play a factor in your results too. I mean it could it could be slowing down your results as far as fat loss It could be slowing down Uh, you affect your metabolism. Yes. Oh, yeah, your performance and your strength like If if your body is having to work overtime to fix issues that are going on in your gut It doesn't have the energy and resources to go and help you build muscle or help your metabolism speed up, right? So same difference. So if if you don't address that and then you're just kind of piling. Oh, what's the latest fat burner? Oh, what's the best, you know, muscle building supplement? You just try and all these other things versus Why don't we why don't we get to the bottom of what's going on first? Yeah Get healthy first and then you know, like we say chase health and the aesthetics will fall I mean nutrient deficiencies are common with people with gut health issues and they'll take supplements and everything And find out why am I lacking vitamin b or d or whatever your gut is not absorbing it. It's a big deal Our next caller is Sean from minnesota. Sean. What's happening? How can we help you? Hey, how's it going guys? Thank you south. Thanks for having me on Yeah, so I have a question about LDL cholesterol and just to give a little bit of a background So i'm someone who i'm a pretty big guy. I work out a lot to the point where I almost over train I'm about six foot two 200 pounds. I've worked out basically every day since high schools for about 15 years now and Because of that I I eat a lot of calories. I mean I eat around 4 000 calories a day just to maintain weight I've also determined that Eggs are probably the main source of protein that works best for my digestive system And in about may of 2021 I started tracking my macros to try to put on some more muscle And it's worked. I put on probably about five pounds of muscle. I have not increased my waist circumference The problem is my LDL cholesterol. So I had labs drawn in july of 2021 And my LDL cholesterol was very good. It was 78 milligrams per deciliter, which is well under the 100 But they recommend you you stay under Then after that I increased where I was eating a lot of eggs probably about eight eggs per day with yolks On average and a little bit more red meat throughout the rest of 2021 I had labs drawn again in december and my LDL was 146 but it shot up It was pretty high and then of course after that I said, okay, you know, I need to go more either plant-based whatever And I guess I heard something I believe sal you said in the episode recently about the eight worst people to take diet advice from You mentioned something I think I'm paraphrasing here about how LDL cholesterol high LDL cholesterol alone is not necessarily, you know That much of a big deal if you don't have other risk factors And so I'm wondering if you can elaborate on that a little bit and kind of what your take is on my my situation Yeah, sure. Sean. So first off, I want to say obviously I'm not a doctor And this is not my field of expertise. So my expertise is in fitness So what I'm going to comment on now is coming from somebody who's a fitness expert Not a doctor. Okay, so I'm not an expert in this But there's a there's a context that is typically looked at When you're assessing risk LDL is part of that picture, but you have LDL HDL ratio You have your you have other lipids that they're looking at in your blood your blood sugar Body weight and then LDL can also be broken up into different types of LDL Some are more damaging others now they're talking about being more protective The total LDL number can also matter. So at some point if it just gets too high Then then that's something that is cause also for concern And then finally There's this really interesting variant between people or genetic variant or whatever you want to call or how people react To saturated fat intake like I'll use a couple personal examples I eat, you know, I eat up to 12 egg yolks a day Most of the meat that I eat is saturated fat. My LDL is always under 100 My total cholesterol is borderline too low Now dug is somebody that you know, obviously, you know dug our producer He reacts very differently to saturated fat and he has to actually control it a little bit because it can have some What would look like adverse effects on his blood lipid? So it depends on the person as well Now my comment on that show was just was simply this was When there's one blood marker unless it's really bad It doesn't tell you nearly as much as what the whole picture is, right? You got to look at everything to kind of make More of an accurate assessment and I think really good doctors who are experts in this field Will tell you that so that's what that's what I would look at and I would talk to your doctor About those things. Do you think that uh, doctor ran and dr. Todd would cover a subject like this inside our hormone? Now those are their hormone specialists Now they are they are somewhat knowledgeable about about cholesterol because it's something that can get affected With hormones so you could try asking them But I would uh, I would speak specifically to somebody who's an expert in this field because There's a lot we're learning about this like I like what I said earlier about different types of LDL This was barely discussed just like seven years ago. It was just LDL and then we've discovered Wow, there's smaller denser particle LDL molecules and then there's those that are larger and fluffier and One is more damaging. The other one tends to be more protective LDL in general Is associated with protecting you from infection and illness. So it's also essential Um, so like having it too low isn't isn't good from what I've read But it's there's a lot of complexity to this and I would look at all of these things. So And I would talk to somebody who's an expert So that's what I was going to ask you then if you if you were not to just defer to a general practitioner doctor Who would you defer to that? Maybe who we know that you think could be able to dive into his labs a lot better than Because that's the only this is the problem with the the gp right here, right? They see that and then their first thing right away is Oh, let's fix that. Let's get let's get that lower Uh, you know, dr. Stephen cabral has got some pretty good takes on on cholesterol numbers blood lipids The context of the whole thing triglycerides, right? That's something else. You want to pay attention to Um, he's somebody that's really good But I would bring these exact questions up to your doctor and say, okay What's the right ratio of hdl to ldl? I would say Can I do a test to determine what kind of ldl? Particles that I have to see what the difference is and is my ldl so high that none of that matters Or am I within the range where I can look at the whole context of things? And pay attention. It's a lot less clear Or I should say obvious than it used to be used to be Oh, you know over 200 cholesterol was really bad and then we saw these long-term studies that showed that people with higher cholesterol In some cases live longer people with higher ldl tend to get less infections So my point is it's with what I said was We used to look at like a single number and be like, oh good or bad But it's way more complex than that Right. It wasn't the fear of, you know, potentially that leading to heart attacks and you know, sort of epigenetically Unlocking, you know, some of these problems down the road. Is that still like something that's a very You know real fear that uh, you know doctors are yeah, and I know ldl if it gets too high Everything else, you know the context of everything else can look whatever it wants and it still might not necessarily be a good thing Um, but it's like I said it's kind of I've heard conflict and information about it now So it's tough to it's really weird how some people react to saturated fat In terms of their lipid numbers And I mean, I I said I'm a perfect example. I literally eat Like red meat probably twice a day three times a day a yolks up the yin yang I I mean a lot of my fat is saturated and my blood lipid numbers are almost too low like my cholesterol is almost Too low. So it's it's very interesting. So that's So I would like I said I would ask an expert Those questions specifically, you know, I like I know the ratio is it makes a big difference of hdl ldl Then there's a ratio of those two your total Your triglycerides, you know play a role and then the type of ldl that you have I know all those things now are starting to show that they're you know that they I would just caution taking the you know, if it's the general practitioner that he's talking to and and referring back to him I would just caution that I don't know His extent and I think if you ask those questions, you'll know like hey, what are my ldl Can I get a test that shows me what kind of ldl? Yeah, well, uh, I don't know I don't think there is one like then you know, okay I might need to find someone that you know really looks a little deeper. Yeah, if I was back when I was trained I always had like a doctor that I knew because I had trained one and then I'd keep them on on tabs because this is something I would defer right I would this is not my level of expertise But I know enough and experience enough where I've had healthy really healthy clients still test high like this So finding somebody that is more or that's well versed in this besides just their because a lot of times they would come with their From their recommendation from their doctor saying hey, my doctor says my Cholesterol is too high and they would just give me some number and said that's all you were told nothing else What about all these other markers? Well, okay, let me refer you over to my buddy over here Go get it ran and ask these questions and see yeah Well part of the problem Sean it was that and this this was from doctors that I trained They actually told me this that they said, you know one of the issues is We invented a pharmaceutical drug that was so effective At lowering cholesterol like you take a statin and it will lower your cholesterol Yeah, and so what happened was because we had something that was really effective That was easy you just take a pill that they focused really hard on that because it was something so easy to treat Everything became a nail Yes, and and so that was I guess part of the issue, but we know now that it's a little bit more complex Than that so I and again the genetic factor is huge man. Some people are very they have to really reduce Saturated fat intake and they even have to reduce total fat intake. There's a small percentage of people that still have to do that So it depends. So again, I would I would find I would go to your doctor and ask All these specific questions and see if if you get the answers you're looking for and if not then find somebody who Yeah, and if you're not following already, uh, dr. Steven cabral. I think that's his instagram too, right? S t e p h. I think steven with a ph. Yeah cabral. Okay. You said i'm sorry steven. Is it cabral? Yeah, steven cabral c a b r a l You could actually go back. We did it. We did an interview with him on here So it was a really good interview. We might have actually touched on cholesterol with him I think we did I think we did touch on cholesterol with him So that's it that'd be a good episode to listen to anyways He's actually got a podcast too that it does really really well And I think he does like we do where we field questions So he would be a great follow in general. I think for for these types of questions Okay, perfect. And what were the names of the other there was a couple other doctors you guys had mentioned Yeah, I don't know. Did we mention more right now for right now ruseo, maybe no, no, no, no, no, no No, we didn't we didn't right now. That's okay. Maybe we just cabral. Yeah Yeah, I mean we've we have doctor friends for specific things like, you know, uh, jolene brighton and, uh, also dr. Ruseo and Dr. Campbell would probably be yeah, we have like that we recommend for like gut health, you know functional medicine So it kind of depends but cabral is up your alley for what you're asking. Oh, dr. Aloe. He's also he's a Yeah, he's a he's a cardiovascular specialist So, um, he was on a podcast as well. Dr. Al. Oh, I was trying to think of him. Yeah, he's also Okay, perfect. Yeah. Yeah, when I listen to this, I'll remember what we said and then look those look those doctors up So, um, yeah, um, if we've got just a couple more minutes here I was just going to say, yeah, I kind of actually heard the same type of thing when I was reading In ben greenfield's book boundless. He actually had a section about that where he talked about Some of the same thing how it really comes down to the different types of ldl particles And so there's a lot more to it than just, you know hdl ldl And then I guess just one last question. So with the You know with the testing you've talked about um sal a lot about how Um different body types, you know different genetic types we react differently to saturated fats So can they test for that at a typical, you know in a typical clinical setting? I don't think so. I think the way you know is you like teasing it out Yeah, you tease it out like I use does dug as an example him and I If we ate the same diet our blood lipids would look very different. Um, so I think that's really the only way at this point Okay. All right. Thanks for calling Sean. Yeah, I appreciate it very much guys. Thank you. Thank you Yeah gone are the days of just ah cholesterol over 200 is bad for you and you know ldl is always bad Well, I mean it's way more lower it. Here's the medicine. Yeah, it's way more The part though is gone the days are not gone. They're still getting general practitioners that still talk like this Yeah, but that's all they say. Oh, it's high. Let's get it down here. Take the statin You know or all we need to change your diet up right away versus Looking at all the all the factors. So, you know, I find that I still get stuff like this But I know damn well that I'm not an expert in this like this is not my Field of expertise and I know there's such Bio-individuality Yeah, I have I have a lot of fun with this because I'll when I get my blood work When I used to I don't do this anymore, but I used to have fun with it and before I would get the results Doctor would test my blood and I'd say yeah, I'm interested in seeing my My numbers look like I eat about 12 eggs a day and I eat probably one to two pounds of red meat every day And the look on their face is always like I suck on butter cubes. Yeah, they're always like, oh my god Oh, this is gonna be really bad. And then they get the numbers and they're like, uh, your cholesterol total sweat mayonnaise Your total cholesterol is 163 or whatever like, uh, this doesn't make any sense. Yeah Our next caller is christina from california. Hey christina. How can we help you? Hi, um, I have a question. I've been doing some workouts on my own recently I used to go to a gym, but it got closed during um, the pandemic and I'm noticing that I am losing out on power and I think it's because of speed. I haven't noticed as much of a drop-off in my strength but Power is not where I want it to be and I have an upcoming highland games competition This summer. So I really like some suggestions on how specifically to work on power and speed Ooh, I love this question. Okay. So, um, power is strength that's fast, right? So for people watching right now Like what's the difference between power and speed or excuse me power and strength Strength is speed. Yeah, it's it's like how far I could, you know Or how fast I could deadlift the weight versus how heavy I could deadlift the weight or something along those lines It's quite specific meaning you have to train for it So the way you would train for power Is by using a submaximal load Training it at full speed Um, you know explosive power and lots of rest in between sets and not doing it to fatigue So you're not trying to do it to fatigue the body But rather you're doing it to try to get yourself to be able to move faster Very unlike crossfit esk very unlike you're not doing it to fatigue at all fatigue fatigue is your enemy With anything that you're trying to do power wise and you know the best approach to this obviously with the highland games, there's very specific types of What do you call those like different types of events that that you know, you You get I know the caber toss is one of them the hammer throw I don't know all of them, but I know they're right. There are nine different events all throwing heavy objects For distance or height. Okay. The hag is throw. Yeah So, I mean, it's obviously it's going to be hard to kind of emulate those specifically But you can do that with kettlebells like, uh, you know something that you could you could Apply in your programming where you really just take the time to um Work on you know the technique of not just like the swings and getting the hip hinging Snapping power out of your hips, but also then, you know releasing and then throwing the kettlebell out in a field as a great exercise to apply Uh, you know specifically for that, but really the the the point is with anything power It requires all the the intent going into it all the attention You know no fatigue and to be able to you know, recover and then produce that same amount of immediate force production christina How have you been training how you train currently right now? Or have you trained in the past to get ready for something like this? So I certainly do some event specific training. Uh, so I have some field stones and I have um 16 pound hammer and lighter hammer. So I do Practice the events as much as I can. Um, I don't have a convenient caber. So that one I have to trust to cleans and things to work on um, but then I do try to supplement, um at home. So I've been mostly doing probably the lifts that I I enjoy the most things like um presses and squats And deadlifts, but I've been trying to do a little bit more power lifting more cleans and things like that um To supplement that uh event specific work So more specifically what is like the like the training blocks what I mean is okay So obviously you're doing great exercises that you should be doing Does it look like what Justin's saying where you do a a rep or two and then rest and then a rep Or are you doing it fast? Are you doing things where you got 10 to 15 reps? And then you're also super setting that with a run around the block or pull-ups or other things with that How how's the programming look? Right? So um I would say I guess I've fallen into the trap of wanting to measure my progress and the easiest way for me to do that is to see What I'm able to do for sets of five or 10 or something like that. So maybe I've been um You know trying to get to a heavy set of five or a heavy set of 10 in one of those lifts Yeah, so strength will contribute to power But if you don't train specifically for power you're going to miss out a lot So there's nothing wrong with getting stronger But if you don't trade if you don't train for speed or acceleration With a weight that's much lower than you would train for strength with It's going to be hard for you to express a lot of power like you know power lifters are very strong But they're not nearly as explosive as olympic lifters, uh, for example So you got it. I would do some specific days on on power on trying to throw like just instead of kettlebell or Mimicking the events. There's also a lot of technique involved in what you're doing I mean, he made a good point, you know, when you're doing a caber toss you got to have a lot of power But you also need to have a good technique and release and know where to position your body to maximize the effect So I would do, you know, I would practice two days a week The events don't do them to fatigue But really try to get further and further with your throws A lot of rest in between, you know, your attempts and then maybe a couple days a week of of strength building and some mobility And that's pretty much it But I think just practicing the power stuff is going to make a big difference I think and I think mass performance. So there's a phase in there where we do devote Uh, it's one of our only programs. Uh, that actually does devote some time to Speed power and you know, and this doesn't require a lot of heavy load Obviously, this is more about moving very very quickly And also being able to recover and gather yourself and be able to control your body After you, you know, explode through these types of of movements So I think that if I have to pick any, you know, program that we have that I would recommend, you know Maps performs would be one to to figure that out. Yeah, one more example. Christina Okay, squatting with a barbell on your back. That's heavy You're training for strength Trying to jump as high you as high as you can with no weight on you at all just your body For one attempt would be power. Okay. Does that does that make sense? Yes, okay So training for power is different than training for strength strength contributes to power But if you don't train for power as well, you're gonna miss out a lot on that specific type of performance So you got to incorporate some days where you just focus on that That makes a lot of sense. Um, can I ask a question a follow-up because I'm I think really bad at recovering. I'm a pretty impatient person If I am changing my workouts to sort of Make sure I'm resting between attempts. What are guidelines for how long I should rest You want to feel ready to exert maximal power again? So if you do like a a 50 yard dash, which could also be considered explosive You would do it and then you'd wait until you felt like you could Push it real fast again, right? Or if I if I jump as high as I can I'm not jumping as high as I can and then jumping again as high as I can I'm jumping as high as I can and then I'm waiting until I feel like you're fully composed again Yeah, I can exert that power again. What you what you'll find here's something that's interesting This I'm glad you asked that question When you're training for power, it's typically your third or fourth attempt. That's your best Okay, so when people don't rest long enough in between their first attempt is the best when it comes to power You'll do an attempt and the second or third time You start to fire more effectively with the muscles and your your technique gets a little better and you'll get higher So you should be able to do better The third or fourth time if it's getting worse by the second third fourth time, you're not resting long enough That actually fits really well with my experience at competitions where we get three chances at each event and Just like you said, typically that third one is the best exactly because what you did is you waited Obviously, which will nervous system that yes, and you're just you're able to fire more Forcefully effectively your body feels like it's safe to do so But if you get no rest in between, uh, your first attempt would be your best so Keep those things in mind Thank you very much. That's really helpful. No problem. Thank you and good luck on your competition. Yeah Thanks. Bye. Bye. No problem. Yeah, um power is probably one of the most misunderstood Elements of general fitness. Nobody does it right. I was fishing for the crossfit thing I see she rode up in there that her crossfit gym and I was Trying to see if that's how she just works out there But yeah, she didn't want to say that she was doing their workout specifically, which is, you know, yeah that would that would be I'd have different advice for that in terms of if that was what kind of protocol she was using but um, it is it it's one of the segments of fitness that is looks the sexiest and a lot of people Will just throw it into their programming kind of willy nilly, but uh, I mean the biggest Thing that is nails on chalkboard to me is when you're already in a state of fatigue And then you're going to go and run a very highly demanding Type of an exercise like a power exercise. Yeah at that point. You're just you're just building just wastes the entire Yeah, it's just building. I know I I'm so glad that it came to me because I know that's kind of a tell-tale sign It's like your second third or fourth attempt should be better than the first That's how you know you're resting long enough and you're doing it properly. Otherwise if it's not That way it's like the first attempt is good and just get weaker and weaker With each sub diminishing returns totally look if you like our information You got to go to mind pump free dot com and check out our guides We have guides that can help you with almost any fitness goal. You can also find all of us on instagram So justin is at mind pump. Justin. I'm at mind pump sal by the way, that's with one l There's somebody on instagram trying to impersonate me you poser mind pump sal one l if you find the person with two L's report them and then there's mind pump adam