 And, you know, he took on the form of a servant, the Lord Jesus, to be with us, to redeem us. It is all-knowing God and today we have this all-knowing God dwelling in us, leading us. So, what an awesome privilege that all of us have, right, to have Him lead us, to have Him counsel us. Such an awesome privilege, right? Praise God. Okay, so today we're going to continue from where we stopped last class. Where we were looking at leading through time, last class we were looking at how, as leaders, we need to be organized and we need to get certain things organized, whether it's our organization, whether it's the company that we work with, or, you know, particularly since we're talking about Christian leadership, to be organized in our ministry, in our churches, and to organize we said, you know, just basically at a very fundamental level to be able to put things in order, to arrange things in order, that's what it means. So, we were looking at several things we said, you know, about organizing our ministry, organizing our people, organizing the other two things that we're going to look at is organizing our time and organizing our finances, right? So, organizing our time, we see that, you know, time is a resource. Time is a resource. It seems to be abundant, but then we know that it's a short supply and we need to use it. It's a, it seems to be a non-renewable resource, right? Well, scripture talks about redeeming the time, walking circumspectly, redeeming the time. Let me just put up that verse. It's Ephesians chapter 5 and verses 15 to 17. There it is, Ephesians 5 verses 15 to 17. See then that you walk circumspectly. So, circumspectly meaning diligently, carefully considering the outcome of, you know, how we are living or what we are doing. So, saying walk circumspectly or live in such a manner, diligently, carefully, you know, it's like where you're placing your feet to walk. So, it's that picture that we have. Not as fools but as wise redeeming the time because the days are evil. Therefore, do not be unwise but understand what the will of the Lord is, right? So, talking about the way we live, the way we make our choices and what choices we make and how we live our life says walk circumspectly. So, we have this great resource and as leaders we will do well to spend our time well, right? To organize our time well and it'll really help us to be effective in our choices and others in making and it'll help us to be effective in our ministering and, you know, in our ministry as well. A couple of other verses, Psalm 90 and verse 12, Psalm 90 and verse 12, Psalm says, So, teach us to number our days that we may gain a heart of wisdom. Teach us to number our days. So, again, you know, teach us to count, teach us to number, teach us to know, you know, what time we have for maybe, you know, this season or this action or this particular task, you know, all that would fit into that, right? So, teach us not to number our days. It's talking about this lifetime but we can apply it for, you know, everything else. We can break it down for everything else. So, that can be our prayer. Lord, teach us to number our days that we may gain a heart of wisdom. And so, it helps us. Okay, this is something that we need to prioritize. This is something that we need to, you know, focus our attention on and we will do well to do that. If we treat time as a resource, as spiritual, you know, as leaders, Christian leaders, we would, you know, so, then when we would start things on time, we would finish things on time, we would because we, it's a resource, right? And we would steward it well as leaders. Okay, so, to help us, you know, break or, you know, put this, this entire stretch of time into blocks and plan things out. Well, we can have an annual calendar or a monthly calendar, weekly calendar and a daily to-do list. You know, that's just this general knowledge and we can definitely use it in our ministries, if it's a church, whether it's any other form of ministry or kind of ministry. And typically in a church, you know, where we have, and if you are considering a church, where we have 52 Sundays or 52 services, definitely, and then some additional services where time for ministry and maybe other opportunities to plan outreaches or evangelism or missions and so on. So, it would help us to actually factor all that in, right? And say, okay, these are, you know, this year, 2022, we have these 12 months, we have these so many weeks, we have so many Sundays, we have so many opportunities, right? So, what are we going to do with this 365 days and put that in and plan that in, right? So, that will help us as leaders to not only us personally, but also others who are connected to the ministry, right? Others who are part of the ministry. So, when we plan that out and when we communicate that, it will help others to plan as well, right? So, some of us who are leading ministries who are, you know, hoping to even, you know, plan churches or be part of ministries, you know, this would really help us to have an annual calendar, to have a monthly calendar, yeah. Chris, you have a question? Yeah, yes, Buster. So, my question is actually around planning as well as organizing. So, in the, I mean, taking TTC church as an example, you will have, you know, five locations here in Bangalore and then, you know, you have all the outreach churches. So, I just wanted to understand what were some of the factors that would, you know, that contributed to, you know, to decide where those locations would be and, you know, what were some of the, you know, plans that, you know, went through all the, you know, plans as well as, you know, trying to understand the actual geography or, you know, the location itself. What would be some, what would be some of the factors for that? I mean, in a typical kind of, maybe in a corporate or, you know, in a business kind of environment, you know, there would be something like, you know, where would the demand be? Where would, you know, what is the market over there? What are some of the advantages of having that, you know, that branch or that company in that particular location or in that particular city or whatever. So, just wanted to understand that. Yeah. So, in terms of church locations in Bangalore specifically, it was, I'm sure Pastor Asha should be able to give more details on this, but it was just to make sure that the city is covered, that we have, now we know that, you know, the city is definitely expanded. It's not, it's not what it is, you know, 20 years back, it has definitely expanded in vastly, you know, into certain areas, especially what we thought was, you know, the periphery of the city is now expanded even more. So, and people come in daily, right? So, with the general idea was that we should be able to cover the entire city. So, we have the central, you know, business district, and then you have a, you know, church in the center and you have in the north-south east-west. So, the entire, you know, the entire region or entire geography of the city is covered to some extent. Now, you know, we can't do, so, so each location would be to that neighborhood and, you know, and the periphery of that location. So, so that was the basic fundamental idea of these locations. Now, when it comes to out-tree churches, the other, the out-tree churches, of course, I know just digressing a little bit here, but the out-tree churches would, were based on, you know, people who, who are part of church, who are trained by church, who are part of the vision and ministry, or even part of the congregation, but they had a calling, they had a vision to go and plant a church and, and, and that's how, you know, I think all the out-tree churches that we have, there are people who are part of the congregation or part of the ministry in some way or some, there were some who, who worked here in Bangalore and then went out and went back to their own city and town and then they had this calling vision to plant a church and then church, you know, APC supported them spiritually and to set things up and then they continue. So, so that was, that's how, you know, that came about. Yeah, so hope that answers. Yes, thank you. Yeah, okay, right. So, so with regard to, yeah, coming back to time and, and how we can actually plan things out, so it, so it would really help us to be more effective and not really be ad hoc, you know, in like, figuring out, okay, now, okay, now next Sunday, what do I do? You know, the following Sunday, what do I do? So we can actually, you know, the God, you know, God who actually helps us, who leads us moment by moment is also the one who, who knows the end from the beginning, right. So we can trust him to lead us in, in big chunks of time as well, right, with regarding to, you know, regard to maybe five years, even 10 years, and he can give us an overall picture, he can, he can give us details. So, so we can go ahead and, you know, plan in that manner. And it would help us, it will give direction, it would help us to, you know, get ready with resources, get ready with people, what we need to do, with information that's required, get ready with prayer support, you know, everything will fall in place if we would do that. So we can have an annual calendar, a monthly calendar, and also a daily list, right, a daily list to, to chalk out, okay, these are some things that I need to do, that I need to complete today. By the end of today, I need to complete these things, and it really help us. So, so we might think, okay, my ministry is small, or my ministry is not grown that big, I don't have too many, too many things to do, but whether it's good to start when things are, you know, at that stage itself, you know, maybe it's, it's a lot of prayer that's going in, and maybe it's, so we can plan that as well, right, put that as well in, in a day's schedule, right. And I'm sure there are a lot of tools, you know, I have on my phone a to-do list, and just, you know, put stuff there, you know, to-do list of all the tasks that needs to be done. So I have it, I'm sure there are apps also. So I just wanted to share a very simple, you know, to-do list template, which I happened to read some years back, I think maybe, I don't know, maybe six, seven years back by this person, by name, Bregman, I think his full name is Peter Bregman. So he talks about, you know, 18 minutes daily template, you know, 18 minutes where you spend time on the template, or the to-do list, sorry, not the template, 18 minutes daily to-do list, and it's quite interesting. So it starts with the step one is, you know, you take five minutes to plan the entire day, right, five minutes to plan whatever things that you need to do, and you put it down in your to-do list, okay. So the to-do list itself is pretty interesting because it breaks down, rather than putting everything in one list, he breaks it down according to key areas or key focus areas, right. So let's say, for example, let me just take my work, my responsibilities here, you know, I, well, I would have some key areas like, let's say worship ministry, Bible college, then member, sorry, as associate pastor of location, which is south, so those are three, then I would have another key area like marriage administration, right. If people are going to get married, then, you know, getting them scheduled to attend the marriage preparation course, you know, what, how is that happening, what is happening there, things connected with that, you know. So if people have completed the marriage preparation course, then bands have to be read in church and meeting with them and planning their wedding service and so on. So those kind of things, okay, so that's marriage, then there could be, let's say, some production related, you know, maybe some video production, album production related tasks, so let's say APC music, so that's, that's one area. And there could be some shoots to be done, you know, maybe devotional shoots and so that's another, so, you know, six or seven areas, which we need to focus on. So the thing is, like, if we have one list, so sometimes, you know, things get, things fall through the crack, you know, we might miss out, okay. So, but if you have a list which focuses on all the main, all the key areas, then it would help, you know. So it's like a mini to-do list within each area. Let me just share the screen and show you what it could look like, right? Okay, so, okay, so this is what it could look like. So you have, you know, like six or seven boxes. It could be any number of boxes, depending on what are your focus areas, and each of this is, you know, you list down certain tasks there to be done. So maybe in terms of worship, by my worship team, you know, I might have certain things, okay, plan a meeting with worship leaders, or plan the next, you know, things to be done in the worship team meeting when the entire team meets, or it could be maybe a songwriting session, you know, developing a song, so meeting with the core team, so scheduling that. So all that would come under, you know, this particular box, or inside this particular box, and, you know, another focus area, and so on, right? So this is what it would look like. So what he suggests is that you spend five minutes at the beginning of the day before you turn on any of your devices, or, you know, look into any of your devices, and, you know, you plan out the day, right? And all these KRAs, or key resilled areas, or key focus areas, you write down all the tasks for the day. And so that's five minutes. And then at the end of the day, you know, when you finish, you review as well, you review how did it go, did you waste time, did you, you know, was it useful, what could you could have done better, you know, just a reflection at the end of the day. So that's about 10 minutes. The eight minutes is about, you know, at the end of every hour. Now, this I've not been able to do very diligently, but at the end of every hour, just take a minute to look at the list. So it's, let's say you're working nine to five, typically, you know, workday, you know, all of us do more than that. But typically, you know, at least eight hours, right? So at the end of every hour, you put an alert and look at it, look at the list for a minute, okay, what are things that are still pending, any focus area, anything that needs to be added, anything that needs to be taken off. So, you know, you do that. So that's 10 plus eight, 18 minutes, 18 minutes in a day. So Peter Bergman, quite useful. So I just, you know, I try and do that. It's helped, you know, it's helped, maybe not in the perfect way, you know, like how Peter Bergman describes it, you know, but, but it's helped keep track of all the, all the focus areas. So everything kind of moves together and you don't miss out on anything. So any other, any other way that, you know, I just want to hear from the group, you know, if, if maybe you have a technique or you have a, you know, special to-do list or app, which you found useful and you try it out, maybe you can share. So this is, this is something I'll, I'll also put it on the, you know, on the stream. I'll just upload this document. You can take a look at it and maybe you can try it out, right? Okay. Any other, you know, any other useful method, we can, you can share if you've tried it and you found that it's very useful. Anyone? Okay. No one? Okay. Okay. If you think of any, you know, you can, you're most welcome to put it on the stream saying, okay, okay, this is something that I, you know, follow or this is something that I tried. You can put it out, right? Of course, you know, like all planning, planning is exciting and working that plan is hard work. But that's, that's where we, that we need to be diligent about. Okay. I see Sam's message. There's an analog journaling method called bullet journaling. Also a book by the same name. Okay. For those of us who would like pen and paper, right? It's called bullet journaling. Is it, okay, I'll take a look at that. Okay. Journaling method. Okay. So journaling. So Sam, if you've tried it, could you want to explain it a little bit? Right? You know, like you start the day with it or, you know, end the day or when do you do it? Yeah, kind of. So do you keep a journal? And I don't know how much you can see, but it's, you can, I mean, because it's your own journal, you can customize it anyway, but I don't know. It's, it's, it's got, so there's a whole book on it. The author goes on to say how you can have a journal, but you can really organize it in a way, in a way where you have all your important events listed. You can, I don't know. So every page can be something that you want it to be like, for example, I don't know if you can see. So this is, this is like my habit tracker. So this is for the month of August. So these are the dates of the days and probably these are the habits that I want to develop. And, you know, so I just put dots and every time I do it, I cross it out. Every time I don't, I just circle it. So, so there's a habit tracker, then there's this, like, like you mentioned, you know, you can, every day you can have a date and date. And the things to do, you can just put it here. And there's bullets. So you, so you put bullets in front of them. And every time you do it, you cross it out. Every time you don't, you put an arrow. So, so, so initially when I plan it out, I plan it with bullets. And then as I do it, if I do it, I cross it out. If I don't, then I put an arrow so that I need to do it tomorrow. But yeah, so it's like, I don't have to open any devices. I just start my day with, with the journal. You can, and also what the other things is, you can have dedicated pages to, you know, record verses. So like I have, I have, in between I have these placeholders to write down any Bible verses that have stayed with me for the month and things like that. So, that way, it's, it's, it's one thing, but it can, it can be a placeholder for everything from task management to habit tracker to so there's this very interesting book. And the book is a fun read. And I read that book. And then I got into this habit. So it's been a year, but it's been interesting and helpful, something that I look forward to most days. Thank you. Very nice. I can see some shopping list also. All right. Thank you. Thanks, Sam. Anyone else? Please feel free to just put it on the stream as well. Right. Okay. Okay. So, yeah, let's move on. So the other thing, other resource that we need to organize is of course our finances. Right. So, you know, the simple thing is what comes in, what goes out, make a record of it. There'll be more details in other sessions, I'm sure, but, you know, in class like life skill or and which will be next semester, I think, or even your workplace ministry, you know, what you are studying. But it helps to, it helps. And it's very, very important. It's crucial. It's critical that, you know, as leaders that we organize our finances that there's no lapse in this area because these are things which come under the scanner, you know, especially if it's an organization and, you know, government and, you know, there is always constant monitoring and not only for the sake of, you know, that, that being monitored, but it's also, you know, we are stewards of our finances and we'll do well to maintain that with integrity and make sure that whatever comes in and whatever purpose for which it's allotted, whatever finances come in, whatever purpose for which they are allotted that they are spent accordingly and tracked accordingly and whatever legal procedures that need to be followed in terms of filing of taxes, in terms of, you know, even if there are no taxes, maybe filing of returns, everything would be, would be done, right? So, so it need not be something major, you know, especially if things are in a very small state right now, right? It can be a small notebook and where we maintain everything, right? What is the money that has come in and what is the money that has been spent and for what purpose has it been spent? You know, it can start in that place, right? But just for us to, you know, for us to, just to ask, as leaders, as Christian leaders that we need to be about approach in this area, you know, this is something that, that the enemy can use to, you know, bring down the reputation. And we cannot say, oh, sorry, I did not know, right? We can be sincere. We can be sincerely wrong in certain things, but, you know, it doesn't help, right? So it's our duty. We need to know what is the, especially if you are heading or if you are in any place of leadership, we need to know, right, what needs to be done and how it should be done and be careful about doing it. Okay. Right. So just moving on, looking at another area when it comes to, you know, we said, okay, we are organizing ministries, organizing people, organizing our time, scheduling it well, organizing our finances. So we looked at four things. So when it comes to, you know, people and developing people, you know, as leaders, we see that we are called to, to raise up leaders, right? So simply put, the Lord said, when we commissioned us, he commissioned us with this saying, go make disciples, right? Make disciples, teaching them to observe all the things that I have, you know, told you, I have showed you, I have taught you. So we are raising up others to follow Jesus. We are raising up pillars which can hold, they can hold other responsibilities and, and, and carry out the task, carry out the task of ministry. And as we, you know, as we organize ourselves, right, and do things in an organized manner, it goes without saying that we need to raise up leaders, right? We need to raise up faithful, committed, responsible people who can carry the weight of responsibilities, right? We can carry the Lord of ministry alongside us. And well, you know, we talked about the vision, the bigger the vision, right? The, the greater the task, we, we realize that it cannot be just one person, it cannot be just you, it cannot be just a few. It'll take more, more than just a few people to carry out that vision. And God actually gives a vision in such a manner where, you know, others who, for whom the vision resonates, the Lord leads, right? The Lord is, you know, leading in their spirit, a kind of, a kind of, you know, affirmation so that they can be connected, partner with, you know, with their different members placed in the body, each member supplying strength, receiving strength, and causing the edification of the body to grow, right? To grow. So that is how God plans things out. So, so it, it, which means it's the responsibility of us as leaders to raise up those with the same, you know, maybe they have the heart for ministry, they have the leadership potential to identify and to, and to lift them up, raise them up in the right manner, okay? So some practical guidelines, we're going to look at that. It's, of course, it's not a very exhaustive list, but we're going to look at that, look at some of these. And probably you might have, you know, gone through this earlier as well, if you've, you know, studied the book, The House of God. So let me just share, share, yeah. Okay, so when it comes to potential leaders, right, certain things that we can do, certain things that we can look out for as we, as we do this intentionally, right? So, so one of the, the first, the main thing that we need to see, you know, which is very, very important is, is their personal life example, which means their life and testimony. You see, when you, when we read, I think it's Acts chapter, when we, when we see how the seven were chosen, it talks about Acts chapter six, and he talks about, you know, the 12 summoned the multitude, and they said, okay, we need to do this, these things are priority for us. Therefore, you know, we are going to choose seven, right, of, of good reputation, full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. And so, firstly, they, they said, okay, good reputation and full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom. So, in their own lives, do they have a daily moment by moment, steady walk with God, right? Is, are they living a godly life and is it tangible, right? It is, it is, well, you can say, okay, my life is, it's a, it's a private thing. You know, my faith and everything is private. Well, it's, it's not, it's personal, but it's definitely not private. There are certain things that we do, you know, like seeking the Lord in private, they're seeking the Lord in the thing, but, you know, in the secret place and spending time with him, but it's not something that is private in the sense, you know, it's close to others, but well, it can inspire others, and should the Lord give an opportunity to share, you know, share about that. So, we might say, we're not close to that. It just comes out, there's an overflow of that, that people would see, people would know that, you know, just like how the leaders in the church, in the synagogue, sorry, in the leaders in the temple, they saw that they realized that these people, these disciples had been with Jesus, right? So, it was something that is tangible, something that cannot be hidden. So, do, you know, are the people that you're considering for leadership, do they have a good, committed, personal walk with God, right? So, how is it evident? It's evident in their choices, it's evident in their speech, it's evident in their, in their lifestyle, how they spend their time, everything, it just comes out, right? So, that is one thing to look for, okay? Secondly, spiritual and emotional maturity. So, are they growing and are they mature, right? So, that's an indicator, are they growing, are they mature, are they working at these areas, spiritual and emotional maturity, okay? So, which means that they have certain things in place, certain disciplines in place when it comes to, you know, their spiritual life, right? So, they know how to, you know, how to do this for themselves, how to go and sit and they've made it a part of their life to seek God and seek Him consistently, daily, and it's part of their life. So, spiritually and emotionally as well, right? Emotionally, it's not up and down all the time or in the dumps, you know, sometimes and, you know, their life is not, you know, like a roller coaster, emotionally, right? They've also, you know, they fought some battles, they've brought down some strongholds in their own lives. We're not saying, you know, like this person should be perfect, but at the same time, they've come the distance, they've walked the distance because they're now they're going to be taking care of others. So, in the light of that, they're going to be overseeing some, you know, area of ministry. So, in the light of that, to know, you know, to see that they are mature, spiritually and mature emotionally as well, okay? And certain things, like there is no need for, you know, approval, constant approval from people, there's no need for popularity, there's no need for, you know, for fame and self-promotion and all those things. They've died to that, right? Or, you know, they've put away those things, right? So, this is, this is important again, right? But if they are going to be constantly drawn for towards approval from people, constantly drawn to be in the limelight, drawn for self-promotion, then, you know, that's, I mean, that's a red flag, right? That's an area that person needs to work on and really overcome before being given leadership, you know, responsibilities, right? So, those are some, a couple of things to look at. Thirdly, and very importantly, alignment to the vision, okay? So, now, okay, as an organization, maybe as a ministry, as a church, you know, God has given a vision, right? God has given you a vision and you're just working towards that. And it's something that's, you know, that's, that's, that you spend time with and it's part of you and so on, right? So, everything is going towards that. So, when we, when others come and, you know, others are raised up as leaders, one thing to find out is are people aligned towards that vision, you know, or in line with that vision? Is it something that's, that's also exciting them, right? Or is there something else in their heart, okay? I know this is there, but I don't want this to be the main thing. You know, I, my main thing is something else. This, this is fine, I can tolerate it, I can endure it, but then this is something else in my heart, right? If it's, you know, which is perfectly okay, right? Which is perfectly fine. Maybe God wants them to do something else, right? And we need to respect that and, and, and just respect that and, and say, okay, yeah, God has called you and maybe this is not the right place or definitely this is not the right place because that is not the vision of this ministry or this church or this organization. You know, God has given you something and, you know, go and please go out, go and pursue that and do that wholeheartedly, right? So, to the vision direction, the teaching, the statement of faith, you know, if it's a local church or if it's, you know, any other ministry organization, you know, what is the, what is that thing? You know, what are the values? What is the culture? What is the emphasis? What is that main thing that the ministry or the organization is going after or pursuing? That's, that's what God has graced, God has gifted, God has called. Therefore, for the body to move, you know, you can't be pulling in different directions, right? So, well, alignment to the cause, alignment to the vision is again important. Okay, right. Okay. So, you know, these are three very important things, the top three. It's not in any order, but then, you know, when you look at this, you see that these are important. And this we would know over a period of time, right? Over a period of time, talking to them, hearing their heart, watching them, observing how they've been serving and how they're living the life is how we would come to know or getting them to share about, you know, what their purpose is and all that is one way by which we would get to know, we would understand, right? So, it's not going to be a one-off thing, you know, it's not going to happen in a day, it's going to take some time for us to know and understand and observe this, right? So, so the thing that will be very, very visible is maybe the gifting and the skills, you know, these are things that just come up, right? These are put on display, right? Well, I can do this. I can take care of this need and, and, you know, I have this gifting, you know, so I can use this. So, these are things which are very, very visible, tangible. So, usually, what happens is, you know, we are drawn towards that, hey, I have a need here. I have this need in the church, in the ministry, there is this need. So, we immediately try to, you know, get that person in and, you know, plug that need, take care of that need. Yes, that is important, but what will keep them going in the long run is if they are aligned to the vision, you know, if they are people spiritually and emotionally mature and, you know, if they have things in place when it comes to personal life testimony and they're living a life that's an example to others. So, their personal walk with God. So, if these three are not there, then it's going to be difficult, right? Well, that need would be met and it's be a temporary fix. Then, after a point, you would have problems coming up because of the other three things not in place, being not in place, right? So, it's very important, okay. Fourthly, responsible, you know, is that person responsible? Is that person reliable, right? So, someone whom you can depend on, someone who is, who takes their job seriously, you know, who takes some amount of, you know, they come to it with a sense of seriousness. There's a commitment and it's something that is not trivial, right? It's not something that's, you know, they look at it as something that needs to be done, something that needs to be done well, their role in the, you know, if it's an organization, their role in the organization and whatever tasks they are, they've been responsible to do it and they put in that effort, they do it excellently and they look at it as something that needs to be completed and so on. Reliable, you know, is that person dependable? Can you give the task and know that they will get it done? Okay. Will they, will they put in their best? Will they take, go that extra mile and, and of course, you know, these are things that can be developed as well. We know that, you know, but there needs to be a certain measure of these traits and maybe they have challenges, you know, some challenges, maybe personality-wise, temperamentally, maybe skill-wise, you know, these can be addressed but these qualities need to be there in a certain measure before they can be given that leadership position, right? Or maybe, you know, these, these things can be built in them or they can grow into these things and then the added weight of leadership can be placed, right? So they need to be responsible, reliable and, you know, a quality of excellence in whatever they do. We looked at those couple of verses, Colossians 3 and Colossians 3, 17, whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him. Verse 20, 23, and whatever you do, do it heartily as to the Lord and not to, not to men. Okay, if you look at verse 22, it talks about bond-servants and, you know, it says, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh, not with ice service as men please us, but in sincerity of heart, fearing God. So if someone has that perspective about the things that they need to do or things that they need to get done, saying that, okay, I'm not here to please this person who's given me the responsibility, but I know that it's ultimately God who gets the glory and I'm pleasing him, right? And, you know, the thing is the task could be, you know, in the sense it could be upfront, you know, spiritual, in the sense it could be spiritual ministry or it could be, it need not be, you know, spiritual quote-unquote, but it can be some certain tasks which are administrative in nature, but which aid the spiritual ministry, which support the spiritual ministry, but whatever it is, right? Because it is not, you know, overtly spiritual, if we are going to slack off, we're not going to be diligent then there is a problem, right? So this quality of excellence is having this perspective, I'm doing it unto God and I'm not doing it to please man, you know, whatever task I'm doing, it's ultimately, it is for him. If I have that perspective, if the person has that revelation and understanding, then it's good, right? So the quality of excellence they'll be able to bring in, right? Okay, so we'll stop here, we'll take a break and come back in 10 minutes. Thank you.