 Remember this is why in the morning and Mondays are for motivation due to that matter We have Mr. Roy, I am the head of department and media arts and design at the Z-TEC University here with us just to share some insight if you're planning to get into a career or get out of one and Get into another. This is a conversation. You should be listening to I remember we are on social media Our handles are always right there below the screen. So let's get straight into it. Kari Boussana, Mr. Roy Thank you, Sanna. All right. Yeah, so I've been really looking forward to this, Mr. Roy because a lot of people are masquerading as mentors and I'd like to know the difference I've always wanted to know the difference between mentors and motivational speakers because people don't get the difference Most of the time. This is the first thing I'd like you to address for us today Okay, thank you so much for that particular question as you had my name that Mr. Roy Hember I'm the head of department Z-TEC University that is specifically the media arts and design department. I think usually there is a very thin line That's usually drawn between a motivational speaker and mentor. When it comes to a motivational speaker, if I may start with that It's basically someone who will come and probably pick a certain aspect of life Just probably just maybe one area of life and then one of the day they're going to talk about it They're going to encourage you. They're going to inspire you They're going to give you all the issues in that one particular aspect of life But when it comes to mentorship, mentorship is wholesome Mentorship is broad. Mentorship is huge. At the end of the day, if I'm going to mentor you in a particular thing Then I'm going to take like the... I'm going to walk you all the way from the baby steps It's not a two-hour session. It's not a two-hour session. It's not a three-hour session It's more or less like a lifetime. It's a lifetime. Mentorship is a lifetime thing That at the end of the day that when I've seen you that you've taken your steps and you can be able to stand on your own Then that's what you call mentorship But when it comes to motivational speaking, motivational issues, it's something that I say, oh, probably Barry's just down In a game, talk to him about this particular issue and then that once Barry that particular issue is off He's off on the hook then I as a motivational speaker Then I've also gone the other way but in mentorship. I work with you right from the beginning The journey right from the beginning. Yes. Yes. All right I'm quite interested in your background. You're very You're very knowledge of this world. What is your background in education? Basically my background is journalism or more or less like communication And again, that's what people don't do through the draw an exact line between journalism and communication But I like to look at myself as a combination of both of them. But at the end of the day, it's all about Communication it's not about ensuring that end of the day whatever it is that is happening in the society that people get to know About it that myself. I am I am a diploma holder Broadcast journalism from the Kedah Institute of mass communication. I was there from the year 2001 to 2003 That's all right. Yeah, it's quite a lot of work You've done well for yourself. I remember back in the day heads of department who are very very senior people But you've really done well for yourself. Thank you And that's why I want to do that when people look at me and they look at me They're they that day the head of department at Zee take University and I think I can also make make it And that's what we're talking about mentorship No looking at someone and then say that yes I can also make it and that's why even and the owners also lies on us we as mentors that end of the day How do we portray ourself do we portray ourself in a manner that people will wish to say that yes I also wanted to be with me like this person like this person and then at the end of the day They can also say that yes. I've also made it So after a diploma in journalism at the Kenyan Institute of mass communication. What was next for you? Yeah after diploma as far as my studies are concerned I did change you more Kenyatta University of Agriculture and Technology J-Quart around 2013 there and then I did my degree in mass communication. I remember it was a B s c mass communication And then I thought that probably I can also vent a little bit something a little bit different But still within the same room still within communication see within communication and I did public relations All right. Yeah, so that at least I can have my footing in public relations I have my footing also in broadcast journalism because I wish to be all-round so that one of the days So when I'm mentally okay, I can tell you that you see life. It's all about being all-round So that end of the day you can't not you don't just be in a position or buy that and it's something also You are to tell my students that you must be somebody who is all-round All right So that if an opportunity comes for broadcast journalism, you can grab it because you have it All right opportunity comes out for public relations. You can grab it because you they can't have it The internet or social media has made communication quite easy Right now and I'm not talking communication in the professional aspect of it. Just communicating Sending a message to your loved ones Telling a story that is happening in your village before One minute. We already know it in Nairobi like the internet has already has made communication quite easy. It has brewed Bedroom media houses as well and we are having guys building Journalism careers on the internet from learning on YouTube and just using their phones people forgetting the importance of the educational aspect Please remind us. What is it? What is the importance of having this educational part of journalism now that communication is quite easy And anybody can be a journalist from anywhere. What is the importance of having this? Educational aspect of it training the training part. I like your term the bedroom journalist So that of the day Whether we are talking about Even training I said because I know the internet truly has done marvelous and people can be able to do various things from wherever They are and all almost in quotes. They really have to step in classrooms But we can't just bury our heads in the sand and then say that the internet is Ian's going to do everything That we need to do my my take on this that we need still not got back to school because of professionalism When you go back to school, you're going to get there things you're going to get the morals They're going to get to know and that's exactly what is it that I'm supposed to be doing because when you're doing it yourself Outside of that the excitement is going to be big. Yes. I know it I can be able now to go outside there, but again, you're forgetting about the issues of corporate You forget about the issues of ethics. You forget about the issues of law So that of the day who is the person is going to teach you these yes? I can teach myself photography, but the person going to teach me law I can teach myself photography, but who is the person going to teach me about ethics and every career has to be practiced in the bounds Yes, yes of the law and and the rules that govern it. Yes. All right. So we still need to be professional It's very important to take it back to school. All right. So As a mentor, what are some of the most important things That you look at when you're picking talent because I know you can't mentor every Yes, I'm looking at commitment I'm looking at passion. I am looking at somebody who at the end of the day will say that I am a go-getter I won't go and get this thing regardless of whatever situation that I have in It will be interest for you to know that I have mentored Robinson O'Kanye And also I mentored Muhammad Hussain of KT and my students at Zittai University And when I look at for example Robinson O'Kanye, if somebody whom that at every other particular time Will come and tell me I need a camera to go and shoot this. I need to write this check out for me That's the kind of commitment that we're talking about That's the kind of passion that we're talking about. The end of the days I'm going to mentor you and then you don't feel like I don't I don't I don't feel the passion in you I don't feel the commitment in you. There's going to be very very difficult for me to mentor you I'm not saying that I'm going to leave you But the passion has to come from where they must come from with it because I cannot push you Especially in this profession was when it generalizes, you know, I cannot push you to write I cannot push you to read to read. I cannot push you to hold a camera Okay, so the passion must come from you when something has happened outside Then because you're partial you're going to come and say that this is what has happened But I'll tell you go and tell the world who do you tell the world go and write You're talking about the internet a short while ago won't put it on the internet let people get understand it yet people know it All right, and build stories that have impact Yes, which is really lacking in this community as we speak so many people are focusing on Humor making people laugh so many people are focusing on being famous We are we are not getting the stories like back in the day Well, we used to get stories that have impact you're exposed to certain cultures within your country that you didn't know about you're exposed to To corruption scandals We are not having stories that have impact as much as we used to have them so many people that are producing content online Therefore being famous entertaining mostly what went wrong? I Think they the the hurry or the hype the eyes The greediness if I may use that word, okay of wanting to get the fame Immediately okay that you do not want to take your time to go and research a good story That I love the day it's going to be put on air and you're going to ensure that people are going to enjoy it I get something I get something then immediately I want to roll it out even without taking time to look at it taking time to research on it Taking time to look for information Taking time to look at probably who are my sources So then the day that you are just rushing and then putting that particular piece putting that particular story then You just because you just wanted that fame to come out of here if it's a print media I want your name to appear there. Yes, but my name is appearing the newspaper today Yes, but when you look at the content or whatever it is that you have done. It's really wanting yes You want to appear on TV? Okay, that yes, I was the one who was reporting to the Lines type news So what really did you say on TV? So to me it goes all back into ensuring that let's take time Let's take time to do whatever it is that we are searching on let's take time to write whatever it is that you want to write And then over the day it has to be something that is passionate Somebody's going to look at it. Somebody's going to read at it It can also be read today tomorrow and also forever But that yes, I watched that documentary timeless documentary Yes, it's a timeless article Timeless documentary is a timeless article that people can read and say that yes I got something from this in a smart at it as it was written five years ago But I'm sick and get something Time is a very important aspect and research is also a very important aspect in whatever you're doing It's not only in journalism and communication. Yes. Yes. All right arts and design are still under your department From what you told me you and Kenya mass in 2001. Yes I'm guessing you are in primary school when people are still studying home science art Art and craft music to need to use to need a lot So you you've seen it all you've seen the generation that studied art and the generation that Meet art for the first time in compass if you get what I'm saying So what are some of the effects you have seen of Scrapping some of these art courses in primary school and in high school the loss of creativity Okay, then I know they when you're scrapping exactly what you used to do in primary We used to we used to model with clay. We used to knit We used to do paper masha. We used to Create things and that know that with your hands with our hands that aspects of the hands own skills Is what is being eroded on today? Well, I think a lot of it nowadays has gone back to the Internet that someone will just come up with a software That's going to do the art for him or her for you. Okay, so at the end of the day, you're not really Taking your issues your skills the way you're going to model them exactly from the grassroots from scratch So the the link that we have lost whatever it is that we have lost today is creativity Okay, we used to be that we used to be that creative We used to to to to that yourself and that that in our self at the end of the day There's a creation that is a creation that is coming out or whatever it is I know that experience for that much that up to date We're still holding it in our house up to date. We're still holding that particular skill You know today if if a baton was to come out of my you can do it to yourself I can do it myself But as you take it to Mama, I bet I bet I bet is if they can be able to do that All right. So it's very important to incorporate Most of these things During early childhood development. We agree. Yes. Yes. Yes. It's quite important I hope it's in one of the manifestos in in 2020 The first one will not have that but if you start going to run again Thank you very much for that one. How is the corona situation treating you guys at Zeta? I can say that the current situation we really didn't get the impact as such because Immediately actually in it at Zeta University. We are saying we never closed The only thing that changed was the mode of study Okay, yeah, we've never closed. All right. Okay. So technology has really come in Immediately we changed the mode of study to to online Okay We ensured that each and every student who was in class for face-to-face Has been translated smoothly Into the online platform and also we did the exams through online There was a lot of skepticism that how will we do our exams online that we're going to copy and every such Where we have all those things so at the end of the day This particular students to ensure that they are going to do the exams online. We also have our own background checks That everything goes on well so as far as as corona is concerned at Zeta. This is a matter of just transitioning Yeah, we need to adapt you need to an idea who's time We cannot stop it as a train that has left the station It cannot be stopped. It has to go. It has to go to the decision. We are going on well The soldiering on well at Zeta University We are okay and everything is In fact, that's what we did the graduation with some of the students They graduated online and some of the students who graduated online and the students who were in the last semester before Covid attacked. So you can imagine if we could have sat back and then we say let us wait and see When you're going to open we could have the graduation that this is do you think this is a future of education right now? Definitely definitely the person who's going not going to embrace the Internet Of course, it has its own positives and negatives the person just like any other just like any other thing The person who's not going to embrace the Internet positively then they're bound to be left behind This is the way to go now. Okay. We have experienced it actually today when I was coming here for the interval I was asking myself That it appears a lot of the public universities students Actually, we had a half one student in one of the public universities who was complaining to me Actually, they want now to come to Zeta University and continue their studies that since Covid attacked in March up to now Nothing has happened. No communication whatsoever. No communication. No classes is ongoing and yet look at us at Zeta As I'm telling you we just changed the mode Okay, the students who in their last semester, okay before Covid attack. They were able to do the last semester only They want to do the exams. That is wonderful right there adapting to new times Thank you very much. Mr. Head of Department as we as we wrap up this conversation What do you think is a is the future of Kenyan media in terms of regulation because right now It's mess I know that is in the media. We really talk about the aspect of self-regulation Okay, and also there is usually the aspect of probably government regulation I think to me if I were to go Specifically the root of self-regulation will be cheating yourself. You cannot supervise yourself If you say that we go the government way, what about if you get a rogue government So for me, I'd say that the two entities, okay We're talking about self-regulation a government regulation Probably needs to sit down and then we look at a common ground that at the end of the day We are going to come up with something that is going to help us to Regulate to the media and then the media for today the media for tomorrow is going to be a media that is respectful It's going to be a media that I know it's making it's creating stories That I really said a year on that are are are not even townbound aside Issues that are going to be broadcasted by the today's media are issues that are pertinent to the society Issues who is going to regulate me on my Instagram page? Everybody's a journalist now as I say The aspect the aspects of media council Government through parliament, okay, they need to sit down and then they come up with legislations I know the government has the capability of doing it if they meet it Also the media council they have the capability of doing it if they meet it So the two bodies let the media council represent The people in the media Let government probably through parliament and the minister of ICT Sheru and they come in and then they show that they meet at a common ground A common table and then they come up with these particular issues that they're going to help in regulating the The the media so that even in your Instagram, okay, let us find a way. I know we can find Only that we do not want to find All right, we are probably enjoying our freedom Through the morning if somebody would like to be a member of your class or just Get some mentorship from how can they get a hold of you your camera is number four and Probably verify your email because the person who goes an extra mile to write your email is a service person So I just give them your email on that camera right there as we proceed. Okay? Thank you so much. I was happy to be here as I gave my name is Roy Hyber Head of department Ztec University specifically media as and design. I'm located at for those who want to come physically We are located at Faker Super Highway Just before they turn to Rui Rui Rui town and my email address is Roy dot Hyambar Hyambar is K-H-A-E-M-B-A at Ztec University At at Ztec dot ac or K-E. Just bring that back again Yeah, that's in case they are writing now and so they get it right, okay? My email address is Roy dot Hyambar at Ztec dot AC dot K-E Thank you very much mr. Roy Humber. I'm looking forward to amazing more conversations with you I was this industry seems to be evolving every day. Thank you. Thank you. We have been a conversation Something to talk about all the time All right, we have come to the end of this interview right here We still have another one that is quite Insightful as well if you happen to love anything about it or have any question about this one I had straight to our social media handles. There was right there below the screen Facebook Y254 Twitter Y254 channel Instagram Y254 Channel if anybody would like to see this again We are going to be having it on youtube at Y254 channel as well We are streaming live on daily motion. The link is on our bio on every social media platform And my name is by Moses or it's by more on social media. Don't touch that down