 6.04 First on the agenda is to approve the agenda. Is there anything that needs to be? Added or amended. There's just gonna be I did not hear back from anyone regarding the upper past be your company So we're gonna scratch that. Yeah, you should not approve that Here comes something because you don't have we don't have a school. I haven't heard anything from the school So I don't think you should know it's not a school function. It's a it's a soccer function So it looks like a big soccer thing was going on hi Lindley and It So I had asked them the upper past beer company gentlemen and he said he had his event coordinator call And she spoke to Pam when I was out she said Yeah, this isn't us. This is some gentleman She gave me the name and she said she hadn't heard anything and they were gonna do it again in August So if they couldn't do it was she was fine with it, but I never heard anything from the school so We were just saying Lindley that we are going to remove the the special event application Because they hadn't reached back out to us Yeah, yeah, so it wasn't gonna happen because of the school of because it's on school property It was a little weird anyways, but So okay, anything else needs to be added or amended. I'm good Okay, anything Lindley on your end you good Okay, all right just need a motion to approve the agenda as amended Okay, thank you. Okay. All right, don't need an all-in-favor because we are just three of us so four of us Sorry Lindley Let's see first we have six clock appointment so We have shooting range See two gentlemen in here discuss that that's right So Dave and skip do you want me to turn you around so you can see Lindley's like whatever So I don't know how I can see Lindley, but we'll turn you around So Dave and skip have been the gentlemen who have been lovingly caring for the shooting range since Dick Adams retired and They we had some I've met with them and they had some ideas about changing some rules And then you guys were going Friday. I think to the Heartland She and they were gonna see come up with what they had for ideas So they have the same list that you have in your packet. So I told them the slack board This was tentative. We'd see if you had any other additions or changes, but how was Heartland? Oh Yep They obviously have a lot more real state down there than we do I mean their their pits pretty large down there and it's shared by Two or three towns own a piece of that somehow. There's there's multiple functions Is it the state now okay because it used to be like town Heartland own portion of it and The lumber mill and something else Wow So they have an on-duty person they have certain hours and there's somebody on site as a supervisor Huh, no kidding. How did they do they run like? Like a membership or a permitting fee or something through the town Before I Said that was that's run by the state now you said yeah, yeah The one required is That's funny that they want to have a fishing license if they're shooting a gun I don't care if they can cast I Yeah Now what about in the scenario of I mean I just taken of myself and my daughter so What about the scenario of you know a parent wanted to take their child out to To target practice but hasn't gone through the hunter safety yet because obviously usually You know, that's one of the first That's this rule right here. So it's saying children 16 years or younger must be a company adult Okay, so you don't have to be Okay 100 safety And obviously anybody that has a existing license had a hundred safety Permit right because to get one you have to have the other so so so we could change this to say they have to Submit proof of a current Hunting license Or hunters Yeah, one or the other probably yeah, all right or current State of Vermont hunting license Then it maybe just want to tag bullet that bullet point with the Children just kind of that in there as an exclaimer there. Yeah Yep, that's a good point So what did you guys we were taught we went back and forth about the about closing the shooting range Um, we had talked about in the winter. So what we had I think I had this right We're talking about closing it from january 1st to march 31st How do you do? How do you feel about that? You still feel We shouldn't close it Yeah We get It was Nice We have So you're thinking maybe I know one of the things we talked about was trying to close on sundays You know the people that live on top of it to give them some sort of reprieve, but Yeah Yeah, you're closed. Okay And Yep So if you basically if you close maybe from so december 20th You know to the sunday before memorial day You could close on sundays those days Until the The sunday before memorial day to the sunday before labor day No, that's when it's closed. Okay. That's when you want it to be closed. I'm sorry. Okay Yeah Okay, i'm just trying to write it down have it open on have open Yeah Okay, sunday after labor day Okay All right to the 20th to have it open and then so base, but you're saying now just leave it open basically year-round except for those days Yep, right and then be closed the other sundays. Yeah, right. Yep that I get And then but what but then um, but the january through march we would have open open monday through saturday Yeah, okay, but no sunday right Okay, well that makes sense. So all right that makes sense. And then we had talked about hours on sundays As you can see on there 11 30 a.m. To 4 30 p.m. I don't know if that's still All right, and the other days during the week monday through saturday. You're saying 9 a.m. To 7 And then from april 1st to september 15th 9 a.m. To 7 p.m Yeah, yeah, so you're happy with the hours. Okay Are the neighbors happy with those? No It's tough because they all bought when the pit was there when it was still shooting range So but yeah, no, I'm sure they're not. I think they would like to see it closed Um, I'm sure they would love it to be closed. Yeah, or at least every sunday or I'm sure they would But it's the other thing is it's hard to enforce because it's just volunteers Yeah, it's volunteers. So it's a trick Yeah, I think that's what we have to do discussion about When we were having a discussion in the past about it Well, I think we need to talk about the enforcement piece or the hours Well, it's just the enforcement and and the fact that it's always been, you know, there and dick volunteers and you guys are volunteers, but you really You know, they have no enforcement Abilities, right? They're not town employees. You know, the town is not It's not a town function like the wreck fielder I Did We're going to yep, I talked to Dave. That's what we're going to do We're going to make Dave an employee and pay him a stipend per year like a small amount that way That way he has insurance That way, yeah, then he has insurance coverage And just, you know, don't want the good old boys, you know, everybody take care of each other and cooperate with the universe that he needs You know, um Well, I would move, move with the students, I was told that if anybody violates Down there in the student range That they are better at trying to use the gift And if they do They are subject to be a Dicative Well, that's actually one of the reasons I had Justin What you guys on first is because I think what we can do is that Because if it's stated in the rules, I think the all what we could do is if we make them sign in and we had a name and address I think that I could have one of the constables or the vsp or somebody serve them with an order of no trespass But I think they have the right to go to court right to fight the order of no trespass because there's no ticket involved with it It's just an order Oh good Yeah Two years, oh there we go After So what happens if um You know, if someone gets an order of trespassing they violate it, then we you call Police and then what happens? So Yeah, and I think that you can give I think that I can because I'm tell me and you have to double check the statue I think I can issue the order of no trespass like I think I can I'm not that I'm going to go serve it because I am not But I think that I can do I can have someone serve it. I can sign the paperwork. Yeah It makes sense because there's no, you know, dick went down and was How he how he didn't get his trouble Yeah So But I think what he's saying is he he'd like some abilities that you know, if he is down there Supervisor or pops in and sees someone that is doing something egregious Then then we have some sort of weight to say You know, yeah, we're no longer going to offer the service to you and I think that's true I think that we could do a sign too that says If you you know, if you violate the rules You will be issued an order of no trespass and explain that because then all that Dave or skip has to call the office and tell me who it is and I can go from there So that would be because that's the other thing too is when having um When Justin oscar on having them stop and even if someone's shooting just say hey, you know I think it's always nice to have a police presence. So someone you know, I'm just to stop and I think I you know I agree with paul where because you know, this service is a Good smear it in type service that You know, if we do see somebody doing something egregious, you know, the penalty should be higher, right? I mean if you had if you were down there every second of the day and you saw somebody do something and you said Hey, geez, you shouldn't do it this way, you know or gave him a warning. That's one thing But we're we're actually allowing everybody to use it Under their own supervision and they do something egregious and then the penalty probably should be higher, right? I mean I mean, that's not really. Yeah. No, you're on the honor system And if they can't if we can't trust you use it then I think that I'm sure people are going to be upset to go from Hey, I got reported to Doing something wrong, but you know in the end we you know, we'll be Dave's word to be taken And I gotta think that for some for Dave to send it to you to send to somebody else means that Probably Dave had a discussion with the guy last week and he went and did it again And now he's like this person or whatever Person shouldn't be here anymore. And you know, I'm sure he's not going to be down here want to To sign everybody up. No You know, I mean, but he needs to have a little bit of power that you know Yeah, yeah, I'll just say you know kind of structure a little more formalize a little more and with signage Well with signage and having you know, Dave is a with some enforcement ability. Yeah as opposed to just Be in there and say a not supposed to do that somebody to say Yeah, I asked dick and all the years he said you only had like one run in with somebody and that was it he just said for the most part and People have been pretty respectful so far for you Dave and skip people been any what do you know most of the people? I kind of wondered just That's wild, huh Isn't that nice, yeah That's nice Yeah That's nice because they police their own brass and they take it and you know, they buy signs and materials They've kind of used the what's there to fund it and take clean up the trash I'll just make sure that we make sure that we have all the appropriate signage Yeah to allow us to issue the orders or clearly Yeah, clearly, uh, make the offense known to the individual if we do We'll assume the insurance company would want to have sort of signage They didn't put on a single caveat Is there any additional signage Paul they're from texas? Is there any additional signage that we don't currently have there that you think that we need to include to be able to do this? Yeah, did you see anything in heartland that was jumped out at you? They're saying it's just about the same thing Off off hand, I think they're going down in coffee tears. He's probably hit. That's right. Good thinking Yeah Do you still want to do the enrollment currently? Well, what do you think? I mean what we had kind of said was Shooters are required to have submitted proof of successful completion of hunter safety or You know have a proof of state of Vermont license and we're saying but I could put a form on the website Or they can mail or drop off a copy Um, I wasn't really sure about I was I I guess I don't know do you Should we issue a card or could we just keep a running list of who's paid and provide you with the list? What would work better for you all? because I'm Okay, that's a great idea Yeah, well as soon as yeah people in the beginning we might have we'll do it more But um, yeah, we'll do that. I'll have kelly will do that. Sorry because I hadn't Done it yet because I wasn't sure so I think the form will just be their name and address and we'll put Year or whatever we'll be Getting people to to sign up right because probably the the biggest offense is going to be going in checking in Hey, have you You know, have you submitted the proper proof to the town office? No, I haven't you know, or I didn't know You know, so you'll be chasing that for the next year or two You know, well what we'll do is well, I mean there can be forms for them there to drop them off There can be you know, do you you don't have a sign in now? Do you we talked about putting a clipboard up with a piece of plastic over it with a lock box or something You can drop well with us the he has a lock box so they could drop their forms there But also have a sign-in sheet So maybe sometimes if you go down and you see something has been destroyed Obviously that person probably didn't sign in but maybe the person before them or after them Saw someone coming or going the sign in so I can do a sign-in sheet for you the date time name contact number or something Don't put on anything there. We don't want to lose It's an unguarded area. Yeah. Oh for the sign-up sheet sign up So it would just be their name and the date and the time they were there The only other comment I had was on the following actions are prohibited You got cigarettes pipes drugs and alcohol. So if I give them a little cigar, that's okay Okay, so maybe you want to put tobacco products? Okay Are you cigarettes or vaping? Yeah, you're right for the cleanup you're probably right but I can put tobacco products anywhere So you just leave that to the piece that says the use of drugs or alcohol, right? Across the street And it was Good for you So I can update this and then I can add the information on this about the order of no trespass and have The select board approve all that It'd be nice to have Yeah And then I stand in my boyfriend And all the headspins They recommended that they are 15 So he went out about a hundred dollars here are 15 They were standing Oh maybe 10 to 15 feet from the Backstop So you have to turn around Into the ground Right next to the lake So you never hit the backstop We hit the lake Yeah The backstop And each shot 10 times Eight shots went under Backstop Wow And to open the top of the backstop This is a whole body of God Yeah Why? Yeah So it's a star with a BB gun and then a 22 It has a progression to this Wow But it's not even I mean an AR isn't even that aggressive of a rifle either. So I mean Somebody that's having that kind of control issues But So we're going to make the change to some of the hours of operations. Yep A couple of the range rules Tweaks on it. Yeah, and we'll add them add in the Order of no trespass Yeah And then and then we'll have that to approve at the next meeting or yep All trash Yeah, all trash targets that would cover cigarette butts Yeah, it's kind of like a trash in trash out policy Yeah, other than you know, you can leave your brass in the bucket Yeah Yeah But can you single-fire those? Oh, you you have to pull the trigger. It's tiny to shoot That's what you pull the trigger back That's a semi-automatic Okay Do you have anything questions Lindley? Okay, well, I'll get those changes made and And I'll get the A form together for people to submit You know their proof that they've either have a current hunting license or have taken hunter safety And then we'll talk to kelly about getting a list and she has one of your email addresses I think so we can always just email it to you as we change as she gets updated And I'll give you so I'll get you some extras so that you can post them down there if you want to and um I mean not that you need to post it on here, but you could put in there that you know That all persons must obey all state and federal Guidelines, you know, I know we don't have it on any of this, but yeah You can just put that in there Of course, if they're not on that that's a bigger issue They're gonna wish that they had just a no-trust pass order Okay Oh for heaven's sakes Yeah, probably not Yeah, well, yeah, they're using yeah, they're using if you buy right now you do They're yeah, they're actually using something else now like what Randolph uses Um fishing game is cheaper, but you also had improvements you wanted to make to the bench And maybe buy some signage so or we will or whatever so but So For two That's something you could explore Perhaps One thing about down there They have targets at like the handguns at 10 feet or a 10 yards and 25 yards We're at ours in the 25 yard and being down here we see Cases, you know like pop out of 22 similar house They're they're shooting closer than what that bench is They're going up to 10 15 yards whatever so Could we put up another Target at 10 yards? I don't that's up to you. I don't see why not. I mean if you feel like you have the right distance for a shooting lane in the distance You want to go up to the back Yeah It's up to the slide forward. I don't Well, I think if it's if you've got enough room to do it I mean if it crams the space too small is potential for a problem No, it wouldn't be too small. We could go like in between them, you know So the berm is still behind it, you know But theoretically you could have You know, I guess two benches there if if only one person's allowed to be active on the range anyways, right? So it really doesn't theoretically matter if they're using this bench or the one closer They just you know, both obviously can't be active at the same time But it might be smarter less If you just do the target and not the second bench just so you alleviate any Issues, I think that's why you know You know the gentlemen here have taken upon themselves and that they feel that yeah, they can make that work safely and Then I I don't know about Lindley or anybody else on the board, but I would be fine with that It's a safety question So yeah, I mean you're you're just as much if not more qualified to make that decision than we are And post you're gonna be the ones building it so I guess that's the other thing too is right What do you want to build the zade or the target? Just build it out of plastic or something that's cheaper than wood And just Good, that's amazing. Yeah. So the cow mat instead of plywood it's a lot cheaper too, right? Versus Oh nice That makes sense so good for you You guys so we appreciate you guys, you know now one more thing just out of left field Say you was to designate that Yeah Could you combine the insurance for the Recreation area with a swimming pool And get it cheaper No, because it's already no that was the insurance company who doesn't want to cover us VLCT passive isn't the same as like a mutual Or isn't the same as like a progressive there are different there's a It's more of a fund based on loss and what the record is So they really try to work hard to reduce what their liability would be so they are they don't want to touch us So that's why I worked with them to find another broker So we ended up getting the premium for 1300 which Frankly, I thought was a deal because they were thinking at least five And but then and the one we originally were denied our first application and they had some caveats of why they denied us We assumed if we got denied a second time We'd have a list of things to address But the second place we applied we didn't get denied and they had no no Caveats on it and we kind of laughed I said I realized I was like oh they're from texas. They don't care They're all pro-gun So they they didn't but no because it's the same group VLCT passive. They they did not want us to stay insured with them But it's a good thought There are certain activities even I'm sure are categorized as high-risk Being a writer A rope course Those kinds of things even swings that some things like that are higher risk nowadays Well, we thank you gentlemen And teres will I'll get this typed up and typed up and just have to review it again and and just get to us at the next meeting We'll sign off on it This the rules the rules or the application The rules yeah, did you guys I was trying to remember what your sign was did you have it done it? Um Down a spalding press or something was it on something more than just laminated or was it I couldn't remember Okay, yeah, once we once the slide board agrees to it. Yeah, I'll send it to Spalding press and get it done up big and have it laminated and get it to you So it'll be two weeks now they meet again, and they'll do it in two weeks We'll get the language parsed out, but I'll have you look at it before I do it. So you tell me if it's right All right. Thank you Have a good evening No Yeah, you'll know the only on one that we ever Approved the fire chief approves the one for the big fireworks down here once here. What's the rule about fireworks? Is it very That's right I said if you want to issue a permit by the firework, you can have approval from either Select your or you know firework directly usually those two will reverse each other's side out Yeah Yeah About two weeks from now you'll be in the clear Yeah Well, she can call the police because there is a noise in the nighttime a state statue So tell her she can call 911 And and it is uh, we don't have a noise ordinance and bevel but the state of ramon does so if they were still letting them off Pretty heavy at 11 12 o'clock. Probably the police would go up and tell them to knock it off Oh Oh no, oh funny Okay All right So meet and greet with justin This is justin Lindley has met let met justin before she was a part of the interview panel which was myself and tim Mel's lindley brainer and paul feeney and then of course it has been crazy and covid and So it's been nuts to try to work out a schedule about the justin Luckily he had took the day off so he could come in and meet you So uh, which is good and um, he lives in brandy live near oscar, right? Yeah, that's what I thought Yeah, that's that's what I thought So you have been doing a couple what friday saturday night. What have you been doing? We're more so I do know that Right now I do not have my kids spread nights That kind of works for me from all those three nights to those three nights Mm-hmm He did Is He picked him up it was a royal it was a royal tin He was on duty for royal tin So, yeah, because he was doing a deal He was on for royal tin and he was getting ready to head back to the office In royal tin because he was on duty for them and he picked him up in royal tin So it was his royal tin cruiser, but he um, yeah, it turned out to be some wild ride. He didn't He was been up being out all night because it's just a whole process and um But is your shift like seven to one? Is that what you do if you do friday saturday 7 p.m To like 1 a.m. 7 o'clock midnight. Yeah. Yeah, so I normally work Yeah And I know in our Area, you know some history of constable work in In Bethel anyways, you know the Bethel The Bethel residents have made it very clear over, you know the decade and a half that I've been here that you know They don't want a police department a full-time police department that we want A member of society that can be engaged both lawfully and you know on a personal level in the community so You know things like you know, we we have certain events during the year That would be nice to have a presence too like we have ford festival in the fall And there are other Events that do pop up which is always nice to have a you know a face, uh, you know not really You know, I mean you're on duty, but it's more kind of a friendly gathering, you know Yeah You know we try to partner with the school as much as we can in the past I mean we've had some constables in the past that have lived in the town so that they Maybe took a little more time, you know went to the basketball games and all that kind of stuff It's always nice to if we can partner with the schools at all on You know, whatever it might be if there's an event or A large event or something like that And then probably the one that has the two things that have impacted our community the most over the last few years anyways Is you know, and I won't just say it's tourist but speed in the village area You know, we like to blame it on the out of series, but it's not always the out of series. So Especially, you know the stretch from You know the sand hill church street pleasant street intersection back down towards the fire department. So that Speed transition school, you know, that whole thing is usually Where we get a lot of like 65 in a 25 There is a speed cart out there too that Royalton pd let us use I know oscar was trying to get a solar thing for it whether he did or not I didn't notice when I went by today. There's a speed cart out here on church street Which he just put out, but I don't know he didn't have power to it I was gonna say the one that was out there worked a little bit on monday and then not at all for the rest of the week Yeah, well, he was trying to get a work get a solar Attachment for it and so I said to him just knock on the neighbor's door They probably let you run the extension court. So didn't we get approval to buy some new Those we will in july Oh, but but this is an actual portable that he let you let he let oscar or that loretta let us borrow So I'll ask oscar The status of the solar panel and or I said just go knock on the neighbor's door though. Look at it So, I mean speed, you know, I mean I guess typically in the village areas is Been very concerning Over the years, you know, most of it seems to be on this side of the village And then, you know, and one thing I will say that oscar did a really phenomenal job with is Cracking down on some of the drug distribution Things in town and it might not be directly, but it's more moving it, you know You know, I don't think we solved those problems what moved them Um, but you know, he did a really good job of Some of the hot button areas and I'm sure he could tell you or you know where the rat already of monitoring those That great thing about You know, some of the shifts that you're on right now is you're going to be able to drop in on some of those times that weren't dropped in before Where some of that activity goes on So, um, and you know, I'm sure we all know that some of the hot button places that that happens And lenny you want to add something? Yeah As I'm speeding up and down on that turn My question is Is there a place there for one of those speed gauge signs? Oh, I um, well, I don't know I don't know what you mean. It's at the school but by then I mean, I've seen people whizzing off that road Because they're going so fast Yeah, you're right because we talked about putting one Where it was before which is down by dennis woods where the news car dealership is And then we have a second so We were trying to put one on that end of the town and one on this end to slow people's they come in the village because We'd only budgeted money to purchase two So I think we have I know we have a third poll, but it's on north main, which is kind of Probably not a great spot for one, but we don't have another one. Anyways, we're only going to have two But you're not wrong because that's what something the gentleman who lives on church street was saying was You know you need to do more on church street because he said yeah, you can do that and but they're flying coming this way They're flying coming that way. So Yeah, that's a good point. I'll I'll look and see no definitely I mean usually once they get basically across the bridge here They head to the corner and then once they hit the I mean I live at the I live at the corner at the fire end. So I can tell how fast someone's cold. I can hear him coming You know And it's like Yeah, so I mean I think I think with you know Like in the past most of oscars time and other hospitals have been spent during the daytime, which You know helps in certain cases not so much in others And I think in this case you probably get the the opposite of that where you'll be able to Look at some of the hot spots where you know drugs and things like that as well as catching in the late night speeders and DUI type duties, but Uh Yeah Okay Back up Oh sure And I and I think you know again what we were talking about and it's it's more difficult with the hours that you'll be working because the majority of The town's people are you know at home at that time are not out Um, but it you know, it's really just having that kind of local community involvement Um, you know going around, you know, I would say anytime that you You know If you feel comfortable and it's you know because down here what now by Nine o'clock there's probably nothing going on in town You know the the bar and two things but you know Maybe at seven o'clock when you come on duty like you know to to walk through the downtown or get to know some You know some of the business owners or because you know that and that's what really changed here You know we had a couple of establishments that You know they see what's going on right the business owners and they don't want stuff like that being you know out there And I was anybody else and And you know they used to call for years the state police and the state police would just be like, uh, we're busy We can't you know, whatever instead Then they would just call oscar and oscar would come down and deal with it and you know, it would be done So, you know, I would I would just highly suggest that You know, maybe that first hour On duty or two, you know spend some kind of foot traffic in the downtown area. Just just getting to know the The establishments that they're open at that time like Cockatoodle cockadoodle babes bar those ones because you know most of the time They don't want to deal with any of those people either, you know, they'll be the first of the cullians You know, they'd be like justin. Hey, I got this guy the bar. He just needs to go Yeah, you know because they don't want to deal with that anymore and we do and it you know Scares their customers away and Everything else but um and one of the things we should talk about for justin is some of the things that we found when we interviewed him was He his pretty much his designated area for Rutland is is small towns. You do Middletown Springs, right? Really small. Yeah Yeah Very spread out pretty much like here we have your normal town section Yeah, exactly And that's one of the things I do down there is In each school year and school videos events they have coming up send them out to me so that I can try to But even if I say I want to you know make graduations or in a parade or stuff like that And that's one of the things I actually talked about when I came over here about just getting a list of events that happened Um Yeah, and we don't have a lot of We don't have a lot of events But you know the ones that we do have are pretty you know pretty important That's when you see the majority of our citizens come out, you know I'll send you the date for forward fest and stuff um and Try to do better job keeping in the loop, but so that's always nice So he has a small town, you know feel so he knows he knows where to go to the town And then you know, so the the goal anyways is to do about 20 patrol hours A week in Bethel. That's that's our goal Between he and right so so does it sound like right now? So if Justin's going to be doing You know, uh 10 or so we You know two two nights maybe three nights a week For 10 hours or so that does that mean oscar is going to pick up The remainder of those like on a day shift type deal or how how's that Just changed to something something different and royalty and I think they just went to tens shifts tens But I actually thought he went to I thought he said five tens the other day, but I don't know I was like they are guaranteed over time. Yeah, so I think they're but so they're doing four tens But then it rotates out because he picked up that dui at the end of his shift So then he's tied up all night. So then obviously he doesn't work that day, but he did come into the office I've seen him a couple times in and out So now that we know what Justin's going to be able to do approximately 10 a week Then I'll talk to oscar and see and then you two can and I think we have I think we have ample patrol during the daytime because we always have either went to county Is floating around or the state troopers and then oscar or Royal 10, you know someone from moral 10s always seems to be in the area But I'm just trying to like, you know continue to get that face-to-face time with Yeah, no, absolutely village and oscar the people on when he's available He'll come over and he went on a school field trip one time They invited him to go and their kids helped design the patch At the school and so that was nice. So yeah, I'll talk to oscar and see but um So the goal is still to fill the 20. Yeah It's still the goal is to fill 20 and and we know some weeks we're not going to hit it But you know it was tough during cobit and some other stuff where maybe we'd only get a few and then oscar changed his shift Changed recently and so it's just been kind of a Yeah, he was Thicker than a dog. Yeah, he was out for a few weeks and that's right. So, you know It does but it's also just You know, it I think you almost going through about the Majority of time you do come across some sort of law enforcement in town Most of the time it's just it's always nice to know. So like You know, I don't know It'll say I have an issue and I could just call justin because I know justin's on at seven o'clock Yeah, or if you know that oscar's in the area because it's 10 o'clock in the morning Then yeah, and it's also good because some people like to not or dog Or whatever you kind of never know but it's good and people you do but you do you see bsp or different things but But um, I know so that sounds great As I told oscar Yeah Yeah, oh, we've heard don't worry that happens Yeah, we've I've actually got a complaint recently and I'm like That's a whole another discussion. Yeah, why the chicken crossed the road chickens in the road. Yeah We've had that issue. Someone was there on their property. I'm like just go talk to the owner of the chicken Yeah, no, it's just nice to kind of once we figure out as A sort of schedule. Yeah, just because then people know Yep, exactly. So I'm going to expect if there is some of those calls type deal. All right. Well, justin because if not, we get the call and they'll say, you know Is oscar on and you say I have no idea Do you have his number and I'm like, I thought I did but I don't want to do with it. Yeah We're going to bounce back or You guys here, uh, there is going to be a lot of changes coming forward. The police is coming from the criminal justice rain housing Just do a little bit new supports and probably sort of in fact for the last few years you're They're starting a whole house and be corrective. It's that's actually a really effective way we can go even I believe you can currently see the police is no longer doing well because of some of the new realities that come out it's putting Us and departments in a specific spot where legally we can So just do that Yeah, well, it'd be interesting to know because um, yeah, obviously some of our policies will need to change and that sort of thing So it's going to be a Roll out Okay Right Yeah Is that Yeah Yeah, that'll be good to know so I'll I'll make a note I'll write something on my calendar too for october to kind of start looking for that Because yeah, it'll affect obviously all of our policies to on use of force and stuff or get or get just an oscar to come in Yeah in september or whatever If you guys could come in when you can when you have something to share Uh to let us know Yeah Not to mention not just policies, but it might be You know, let's say you're starting to see something in the community that maybe needs our attention that we don't see um, and how would you like you know Direction on you know or resources on combating something, you know No, that's a good idea. So we'll I'll I'll write on my calendar So we look for it and if you see something just forward it to me and because we obviously have used force policy And a whole book of other policies too that we need we'll need to update too. So excellent Sure This is what we change or sure Right Right exactly. Yeah, the good thing is to vlct has somebody trevor whiple. He does all their Police stuff and they'll also come out and say okay, everybody. You've got to update this But I think that's great retraining education. It's important Then we'll have to get some information out to everybody at that time on any changes. So I mean welfare checks, you know, typically, you know can be It can be a large number of those, you know Those happen often. Yeah, we've done somebody's worried about their neighbor or friend or relative or Yeah We can't go any more to each other But that would be a big one for us to get out to Individuals in the community, uh, you know Knowing that just to let you know based the new procedures won't be able to do this or something Yeah, exactly. And who do they call and what can I be? Absolutely. We we I mean, I've had people call and I'll say Call vsp and have them do a welfare check. So it'll be good to know. So excellent I can hear the question now Yeah, that's what Jean said. Yeah Yeah, I think Lenny's taking all calls for welfare checks. Yeah, he'll be over it. He'll be over here soon Yeah Is what we need to contact or what else can we change to report? Just as food for thought Yeah Yeah It'll have to come down to like Like what I had out there and um Right road there a few weeks ago. Yes, right. So it may end up being you know, I had a gentleman I came across that you know, I don't know 90 degrees He had he'd you know, he's very elderly and had gone out in mode all day and When I was going out there to look at the road or something. Yeah, and I mean he lives way out of the way I mean, there's only one other house out there So and I had driven by and he kind of you know kind of did a weird There wasn't quite a way it was more almost flagging me down type thing But I knew I was just going to turn around the dairy farm and come back through anyways and when I came back through He had been sitting there for a while. You know, he'd fallen down couldn't get back up and you know And then I got home and I'm thinking oh geez. I wonder if somebody can go out and just check on him later You know, that's why I called you and I said Oscar's around But we ended up, you know calling a neighbor that went over and checked him But you know, it's it's probably gonna have to be like that where you're gonna have to You know trust thy neighbor and you know, right unless there's another social service agency That's gonna pick it up. But sometimes it's just that or it's you know, we've had a you know Power outages this and that and sometimes, you know, so Neighbors are good, but but it's good to know so or or you get you know extreme weather events and things like that, right? Which then we're asking neighbors if you know your neighbors go check on or you don't even know just go check on your Especially like cold, you know, yeah, yeah, it's true So well, we appreciate your time tonight Justin and welcome aboard Put the name and face and Just If you get any complaints from germ shepherd on the road, it's just mine, so You'll know don't worry No You guys I do It's on there Okay Well, thank you. Have a good evening. Take care, Justin. Well, my dog has actually been very good lately He is all legal except for when he gets off the property How many runs he likes to watch cars? All right public comment or inquiry I just got one question Oh So about ballots so where I answered so Owen asked me a question via email I know and I'm just gonna let this like work now. So he oh and emailed me cc dlandly and cc Lenny so it's oh and Lenny and I'm asked about ballots if we were going to go to australian all going to australian ballot in March, so I explained that you have to vote on it at town meeting and then it takes another year But I also explained there's more than one way to do it You can vote you could you could vote to vote in the future that all Your officers and your public questions go on the ballot Or you could vote that all your officers public questions and your budget articles go on the Ballot so it kind of depends. There's options. So The select board can discuss it some way you can also pass a petition To force the select board basically to put it on a warning We haven't really talked about it that much. I will say this I do personally Because I a town that I had was we they voted the Officers australian ballot and I actually thought it was helpful because then you knew in advance who was running and things like that And your public questions got a little tricky for zoning, but it was okay but what we voted the budget in person and I have now and I'm actually glad that we did that and I would be Personally maybe a little saddened to see the budget go australian ballot because you attended it We had a select board meeting and there was what maybe 15 people there Then when we did the budget information, I think there was nine including six Which was myself in the select board So my concern is when you go to put the budget on australian ballot You don't have a real informed You don't have the discussion You know you don't have the discussion and people we put out town meet town report But we know people don't but I will read it the popular things are who got married Who died and who had a baby and who's doing one on the taxes. Those are the I think we just printed those pages We'd be frame clear so and that's not just here. That's everywhere so There are a couple different ways to do it, but I think that um So I think that they the select board would have the discussion and then But they can be forced Frankly, you can force the select board to put it on the ballot, but I'm hoping it doesn't come to that I'm hoping that they so probably what will happen at this point Lenny not speaking for the whole board members But is will the board will have a discussion between now and You know warning time Yeah, what we So many more people I To get the people Yeah, do you feel that for everything budget everything are we thinking just officers? Yeah Yeah, yeah Yeah, the interesting thing is if you the good news is if you put it on the Town meeting warning then it becomes a discussion with a hundred and some odd people Because that's how many people turn out at town meeting and those people are at town meeting because they want to be there So I think that it's probably a good place to have that discussion But the net net of having the budget is being presented at the town meeting so the options are accepted or not At that point when you do it on the ballot on bail No, no when you do it As a select board we present the budget to the taxpayers And the only the option isn't to discuss it Right. No, it's yes or no. It's up or down Exactly With australian ballot, but no, yes, even with the discussion No, well, he's no town meeting that when you have the discussion prior to australian ballot, you're right There you can talk about it. Yes. You can talk about it at discussion, but no changes can be made. Yeah It's there and that's it. Yeah Yes, right About but the informational meaning becomes more important because that's the discussion phase Before the people right but yeah, but the problem is is just what you said is if you're discussing it Before us when you have a discussion, you know public informational It's already gone to print. You can't change anything whereas when you go have that town meeting You can't vote up or down You can change the budget on town meeting day when you vote off the floor People can amend an article to give member. We want to give this appropriation 500 or more or they could also vote To reduce the budget by 10 grand. They can do it right there because it's more Interactive and tends to be those people that are there. This is again my opinion only Are at town meeting probably have read the town report and they have a list of questions about the budget Whereas like I said and public officer is kind of nice because it also forces people To stand up and say i'm going to run And it gives people a chance to say, oh, okay, paul valley is going to run. What do I know about paul valley? He's going to run against Against, you know, uh, gene so you kind of can you know who's running instead of being off the floor The other thing is too that always I think about someone like pam um, if you're the town clerk And you run every year like you do here You lose your seat and your job like that with no heads up Whereas if it's australian ballot, you know if somebody's running against you and as an elected official like that There's no unemployment. You are an elected official. You're done See it right now and someone starts taking on the minutes and away you go crazy They do absolutely, but I do think I think that It's I almost think they kind of go against each other. I think the the public questions and the The Ballots by officers force someone to be to figure it out ahead of time Whereas the budget they don't have to figure it out ahead of time because it's just yes or no and then if it goes down On a yes or no question on a ballot. We have no idea why It went down and we have to choose is it too high too low. Where do we cut? So it's it's funny Before the decision is made about the like is there a room for that? Oh, yeah, have you ever been a town meeting? Yeah, oh, yeah, they I mean people stand up and you know, chris does a nice overview of the budget And they're the beginning of the meeting and then when the question comes up and it says, you know This is the article and this is how much can be raised by taxes. We've spent a lot of time out Right there Does that like let's say you bring this to how many meetings do you just get For the budget Only one because we voted at town meeting now We the select one myself have been discussing the budget as a warning item Since i've been working i'll start working on it like september october or september And then they've been working on it for months and they have paraded in the rec department the fire department The public work. So they've been discussing it publicly. So if someone is attending the meetings or reading the minutes These guys have been working on the budget for a few months And then they make a decision. We finally say, okay, this is what we're at This is what we're going to put in the town report Then it goes to the voters And it would go in our case that goes, you know off the floor And so then people standing there they still could say I want to cut that budget by ten thousand dollars or I want to add $500 more to Home health and hospice or something. So right off the floor it changes right then Or can and then it's voted and it's done. It can it can be definitely be And you know the 15 years I've been here, it's you know, I I would you know, I would say when I moved here became my more Civil career of attending, you know functions like this, you know I was in my mid 20s, but you know But before you know places I'd been at before I mean you just go when you vote and and I would say as a You know early mid 20s person like, you know, you kind of went and vote and maybe a kind of knew who you were voting for But you really didn't have all the background in for you know, you kind of went and voted, you know Where when I came to Bethel was You know, I remember going to the first time, you know, I was like, you know, I sat there and it was like, oh my god like of course this was back when like I mean The budget would take like literally like three hours I mean, there would be like people would get up and want to change something and the next person would want to change something So it's got like And then like the tv stations are outside because Bethel is one of Bellwether, you know one of the half dozen towns, you know, so it's like this really special little group going on But at the same time Just as many uninformed people can come to those meetings and just propose something out of the blue And somebody seconds it and then all of a sudden you're trying to scramble to figure out how that even plays into what and Yeah, it's crazy Yeah, but what I what I would say that I do like about it was opposed from this year and nothing against gene but it was like The like people that are going to run for a seat even if it was like school because it all came from the floor Right, so you would have an individual that would Yeah, you kind of knew who wanted to do it You know, so someone already had like I'm going to nominate paul You know and paul would stand up and then then they would both kind of or whoever it was Yeah, yeah, so But what was kind of neat was Yeah Yeah, but what was kind of neat is you got to see like That right there was enough for me to say Whereas if you're at town meeting the person stands up and may or may not give a prepared speed You don't know him from adam and and you can't grill him No, but what I was getting at was like this go-around was out of all the years. I've been here 14 years Somebody it's always been from the floor, right? So then it became okay gene and paul are running so gene and paul both got nominated And then they both have an opportunity to get up in front of people and you know introduce themselves, right? Because at the end of the day, you're not you don't run for a select board Or you shouldn't run for a select board position based on I'm coming here to because I want the jarvis woman You know, I mean that's not the way and if you go into it looking like that then But you know, I mean it's like because really we're just appointees that we're just trying to work through common Common challenges for the better good of the town but but like this year And it had nothing to do with the candidates. It just has to do with the process Is it becomes very highly politicized? Because it's out there so long, you know, I mean so instead of like you two you two are running against each other You stand up and you make a speech. I've done this for so many years. What's wrong with that? Well because No, the way I saw it this year is it got into dirty politics Where typically at town we don't have dirty politics and it really And again, it had nothing to do with the people. It had to do with the process because naturally what happens is So-and-so wants to get behind this person and so-and-so wants to talk bad about that person And it just became really ugly this year and that that's what kind of So To be a select for them I had a sense of why he wanted but it was a month Whether we just kept it at restart this two months before or one month I at least had a sense of who the individual might be and what their purpose was for mine on this board I don't see a problem personally with Having that happen and people think I say You know, I know that a lot of people vote just because they know something Oh, sure. I'm majority of majority of people vote based on recognition and oh, yeah Yeah, no, I think there's Yeah, I mean there's definitely good and bad about all the processes. Yeah, and I think what we'll do at this point is Our board will talk about because right now we default back to the original which is in-person town meeting Um, so we will have a discussion on should we put this on the Uh, the warning or not and let's say let's say we decide not to okay Then the next step would be then individuals from the community would have the option to petition that to put it on I have to check I can't remember if it's One percent or it's either one three or five percent of the checklist and I don't I could find out If it came to that I you'd ask me and I tell you I have to look The statute changes Right, so I understand now that I think the first I don't know the need to have a little bit of trust in every member on the select You know what I mean that I say, okay, I got okay I can trust that they aren't going to do this for good reason not because And when I have that it feels it keeps me away from this It keeps me away from Participating No, I think I mean I kind of get what you're saying. You know the other thing too is Is you know, I don't know if the Herald does did the Herald go and meet the candidates Where they did a little interview with you with the Herald and put something in the newspaper They did that's good because that also helps too and people could do that even if they are going to run off the floor You know a lot of times people. Yeah, I could do that And of course there was letters to the editor which was nice because that you know, especially Well, do you know something and it was very nice and so Wayne and it talked a little bit about themselves Whereas you don't always get that and this year did force teach to learn more about who people were and And um, but yeah, and I also think too. It's hard because my my concern about going fully Australian ballad is You lose that small town of the town meeting because it's such a big thing here in Bethel with pie and Everything we always did where we did it in the evening the Monday night before we did the big Information budget and then the next day you voted and there was cookies and coffee and you know He had a hundred and some odd people and it was I haven't seen Paul since you know For six months and so you that's that nice That's a great thing about why we live in a small town too, but it's not all It is not yeah, yeah, you can do some variations to it But so I'll put it on there And we should probably We should probably take it up at a board level Yeah, I think so And well what I was saying is we should take it up with the board level with enough time So that if we decide not to go in one direction That then the public has the ample time to petition to have it on because if we waited until the last second and said no We're not going to do it But now it's not enough time to petition it so I don't know how much time you need But if you could let the board know and say okay by the end of october you would have to make it Yeah, I think we should that would give you enough time to petition to put it on I think September beginning of september Or ended by between september october because we approve you'll prove the warning and like we're slamming out the last minute You have the deadlines because we would have this is an easier you can make this decision Yeah, because we would have to do that because usually I mean we start talking about the budget But we don't really are talking about the budget until like late november You know, yeah, I've been working. I'll have it. I mean, I sounds like we'd have to make a decision on this Like in october, but it sounds like it's a conversation that I want to make sure we have Oh, yeah I'll put it on for that So then you're right because I think so too you need to have plenty of time because if they have to get Signatures and you know, there's some wording for the article and and just yeah It's not fair to make someone have to get those signatures and in a day No, no, it's a good discussion to have though, but I'm glad you read the information and it was helpful in the email But you do the right thing Lenny. I mean the only the only way you're gonna know You know who is on the select, you know, for the most part is by being actively engaged which you are And and that was the same thing with me like I didn't know any of the select board members until I started coming to the meetings And then I knew, you know, bill richards and all those people were and and you know before I would You know, you just see him out there at town meeting day, you know You know because we didn't even do This type of stuff back then like you didn't have an orca Video that you could watch, you know on a sunday afternoon, you know, so So we'll definitely have that discussion and we'll let we'll do it in a timely manner so that it would give Citizens the opportunity to petition if there was time and and Teresa will figure out what that time frame would be We'll put that on so Yep. No, that's good. But I'm glad you got the email night. Yeah I forwarded to Pam and said and said, hey, I sent them Well, I wanted to make sure I gave you all the information and so I and then I sent it to Pam and said, okay, this is what I sent to Lindley Owen and And Lenny can you I did I miss anything and she read it. She's like no, I think you covered it I'm like, you don't want to scare them good, but it's I just want to Well, you brought up an important discussion. So yeah, absolutely Any further Anything there's a lot of people sitting here tonight. No, guess not All right, too hot everybody stayed home. Yeah, it must be no AC in here So we'll move we'll move over to the air and emissions piece from the Lister's office So we did not get the second one. I know there's one she thought there might be one coming Louise Judy and mo thought there might be one coming for $14 And so I was hoping we'd have another one because we're setting the tax rate But if she does another one, it's still going to be very very it'll be low as well So she they just need a motion For you guys to approve or accept the Air and emissions Excuse me the air and emission for the air sergeant The property second Okay No, Linley. So we are all set I'm here. Oh, you are there. Okay. Well a minute ago. You weren't there. So I You want to make your second? So I am here You can't see my pretty face. There you go. All right And then next we have setting the municipal tax rate I don't think well all in favor. Hey, Linley Hi Then we have the tax rate Setting So I have used obviously her the new number the adjusted number For the municipal grand list So we have not received the school tax rate, which is not a surprise And we're on a tight deadline I wish I really wish Bethel did not collect taxes in august because it takes We have to get the tax bills out within a couple of days and then school seems to You know squeak that out later and later So, um, the the municipal tax rate is easy. It's just math so we can set that the local agreement rate Just to explain that is that is the school tax portion of things that we vote to exempt in Bethel for example You had voted to give a veteran's exemption of 30 to 40 thousand dollars to veterans So it reduces their tax, you know, they're the property tax value by 30 to 40 thousand And so you but you still have to liable to pay the school tax on math Also, the Grange is exempt from tax, but you still have to pay the school tax amount last year it was I think about I think it was eight thousand dollars and Which was the amount that calculates, but you need the school tax rate to calculate that so obviously I don't have that So I put beside it that this current municipal tax rate would be 1.0 408 And last year it was 1.0 382, which is an increase of 0.25 quarter of a percent percent. Yeah Quarter of a cent. Yeah So the thing that changes too is it which is always difficult when you have them This is the grand list as of now Then if there's anyone who hasn't filed a homestead exemption that will change that balance between homestead and non-residential grand list That kind of fluctuates because right now someone who had not Claimed if they were entitled to claim a their residency and qualify for a pre-bate They're now this as a non-residential once they file the flag flips and they become homestead. So So it becomes a little bit of a which would the later filings this year you probably see more of that Happen with the tax filings that just Yeah, yeah may 15th this year. Yeah, louise had told me that she thought most every that I think she said they had most Everyone they expected to file a for a pre-bater file homestead declaration had So which is a good thing for us because it's last year. It was not the case with And um, so yeah, so that's why we one of the many reasons that we delayed So that would be No, this is the municipal tax rate. What's going to we just have to swallow whatever if or So the school tax is the school tax you have no say over that that's by the state of ramon So you can set your municipal tax rate and then the school will be what the school will be We have no say over that that budget was passed and then it goes to the state and they Crank it out of their per pupil thing. I don't know. I always say they do it with fly rule and abacus Any adjustments pretty much yep, if there's any air and omissions yep by the listers later. Yes, you do That's the way and that's way to that's why the You know why we were talking about like the grand list and making sure we have three qualified listers is very important Because the grand list, you know is kind of god when it comes to your town and it and it runs the state too That's how they generate state tax, you know for rebates and other things is Everything comes off that But so that that is that is the math which is good because we you know I think right around budget time we were talking at that point that it was going to be a little over a cent increase So it ended up being you know A quarter of a cent so I mean we're probably almost a cent better So the CLA is your common level of appraisal and your cod is your coefficient disbursement So your CLA is generated by Your common level of appraisal takes in and so does the cod takes in I believe your past three It's your past three years in sales. So if you've had this sort of You know up and down like right now we're obviously having a huge spike which is going to affect us Our CLA so that's kind of what they help guide you as to when you need to have a reappraisal If you fall, you know if you get way over a hundred or I think it's maybe in the 70s and the state says a When you're doing that reappraisal So right now we've kind of been hanging in there So right now it would if I was to look at that 101.8 kind of says that our grand list Maybe just by hairlines to the high side, but we know it's probably not true now because you've had pieces You've had so many properties selling over the listed value that number is really going to change I think and it was I mean it's come down over the last couple years CLA I think was around 104 there. Yeah a couple years ago. So it's kind of slowly come down Yeah, and so it ends up that's kind of what drives that thing and But we still do need to start playing which we've been talking about Yeah, we got two or three years to do the common level appraisal again Because you need to get you need to do a reappraisal this what's happens is You know, maybe we can pick up what people have done for zoning permits and stuff But if you know if you've got at the inside of your house And now you have a whole new interior your house. We don't know that and it's been like 13 years since we've done every Right. Yeah, just let us know when you're all done gene and we'll come through Or you know and you know have a brand new kitchen So it affects the level of you know, probably depreciation in your house and the value. So that's the only thing now I mean, we've been talking about You know doing this Reappraisal is here for the last I don't know two years. Let's say but I mean where the housing market is at right now You know, unless it makes an about face correction here in the next year or two. It could Adversely affect people in town You know where their houses could be valued higher than I think it's already You know, you know, I mean you could be at People are yeah, because you could be at the top of a bubble happening and then you don't have another Right We have 13 years or so, you know, and then it does so I for us. We know that I think at this point if we We're looking at a couple more years until because by the time well, it's usually a two-year process They used to do an appraisal in one year now. It's a two-year deal. So I think what you'll see is us putting out an RFP And then at taking You know people are busy because not everybody does municipal appraisals anymore But our CLA has been in order. I mean, it's not like you're pushing 110 percent or it's not like, you know, you are in the Sub 90s or something. So I think that they work hard to to really know It's pretty well balanced Okay Gene moved it. Gene moved it. Linley. You're gonna second that Second hurry on favor Okay, mo would be proud of you Linley You know, it's what I live for You gotta get out more Just not today it's really hot. I have no excuse for myself All right, and we had Take that one off the list As we had talked about the last meeting Teresa was going to start giving us some information on Future infrastructure projects and she has started to compile that list so we can start having discussions on it I think at this point, I mean we can have a discussion on but I think for the most part was just to get the information So we can start looking through what we have on our plate Yeah, so there's there's the bigger thing I guess for me is that I think um, and we've talked about this in the past is Due to these projects and really the water projects For some rush backup for so I don't know who but when Bethel sewer ordinance was drafted in the sewer ordinance it states That any debt incurred by the sewer department goes on the tax rate But when they did the water they did not make the same choice and I don't know why so What I think that you're you can easily see here is obviously I have and I have admittedly lobald Subsidies because I don't know what's coming down the pike whether we're going to get 25 percent We're going to get 50 percent and they say these things have been around well um We were supposed to get more subsidy then we ended up receiving on our 2.8 million dollar loan And part of that reason was a historic preservation ended up take your historic review took like five months So even though we did everything we could do we passed the bond, but we got it in We did not get all of the subsidy that we had hoped to see They ended up saving us some and giving us like an extra 66 000, but it has not Got us where we need to be we also just found out We did not get the lead subsidy that we thought we were going to get that was seemingly yeah We're told we were told they we were led to believe and and it just came out recently Yeah, and I don't know the dollar amount We I have worked with Aldrich and elliott and I wrote with their help. I rewrote a letter To the state basically saying that hey, you know You guys had a delay and that cost us $240,000 in um A subsidy that we didn't get because if we qualified we'd done everything we could and they had also we were We were told our project would be eligible for the lead abatement subsidy And that has not happened And I don't know and no one seems to be able to tell me exactly when the de c decided That lead, you know galvanized paint has lead in it So we found out the money pretty much a lot of the money went to bennington And I think they actually had lead pipe where we had The galvanized coating so we have Written to them to say wait a second and and for me. I didn't realize I purse We never received notification that we were not going to get the lead subsidy because even up until our last meeting With Aldrich and elliott and the state even the state was saying Keeping your lead subsidy your galvanized spreadsheet up to date. We were all okay so the fact that We received less Of the 25 subsidy wasn't an end all be all in my book because we were going to make it up on the back end Well, then when they said no, you don't get the 240 Um, it took too long to get through the process, which wasn't even our fault and now you're not getting the lead subsidy Needless to say my head just about exploded and I had a couple people on the phone. Um So anyways, we budgeted a 16 000 change Loan payment that loan payment is going to be 32 000. So it's going to go from we have a bit this year Which is so it kind of is easing people into the rate However, you know, it's going to work out to be 17 cents a day. It's going to be the bond payment It's going to be 17 cents a day on the users That being said The water users but that being said I think that future projects Need to go on the tax rate because you have a bigger quantity of people than that you can spread the The payment out over And you're already doing it for sewer and I believe Obviously having a water system is a benefit to everybody just like people in the village Paul chris, uh, you're still paying for gravel roads and you're still paying for sanding grading so I think there's a case to be made here that People that don't live inside the village are also paying, you know, everybody's paying for a little bit of their share Yeah, I mean we all pay for it When I so but I listed here where the projects And the other thing too is I'm going to say is the fight is not over yet The loan because the project the 2.8 has gone It won't even hit next year's the budget. We just did that 16 000 will set aside To put in reserve, but we're still fighting this So we have still written. We're still hope of more subsidy to get that back We also know there's lead money coming in because of the arpa money and so this isn't over You know till somebody thinks and so we're we're kind of Working on that so that while discouraging is not a done deal isn't bicentennial lane. Isn't that a private system? No Nope, it's not. Are you sure? I'm absolutely positive. No because I've been through like two hearings here when they tried to turn it over to the town Oh, is that the water too? No, just just a sewer. Yes. Yeah, why did they do just private sewer, but no We don't know why they touched it. We don't know the other news. Okay, so it's water is I didn't know that so I so as you because like I said, I so I did budget 40 year loans at zero percent that is a big savings test. So I did keep that in my estimation I did a 25 subsidy For phase two and then you can see I did a lesser subsidy only because I don't know and if I personally am going to air on one side It's going to be to be fiscally conservative So we don't know what we're going to see but this also proves my point which is says Stop thinking about the town office. We need to put on the new roof. We need to fix the siding We're not going anywhere for 15 20 years. We'll remove the fuel tank. We'll do the siding But we can't because we need to do the town garage The good news about the town garage is I already have a payment budgeted in the this year's budget So despite, you know, we'll move that into the capital building fund, but So anyways, these are as I said projections only And I also tried to be responsible in my estimation on growth in the grand list So when I say 1.5 2 percent, you know, that's I'm saying, okay There's no growth in the grand list Then I said there was a little bit of growth and I said there was no growth So You know, I don't my crystal balls a little foggy. So I'm trying to guesstimate You do have um, I think it's great that we have a time frame of when we want to replace these Areas, but do you have the actual combination of When these pipes were put in the ground versus what is the Sure, you know, uh, well, we didn't these numbers came from tim. We sat down and talked about 40 years 20 years You know, where are we sitting that that's why they're kind of done in this order? And we also remember you guys had before I came you had a Oh A planning study remember you guys paid to have all the genelia come in and do Look at everything and kind of try to give you some estimates So and I did talk to tim a little bit about this and he says the same thing I do look some of this phase three four and five Could change Because it's really driven and some of this is going to be repairs. All of a sudden maybe we're seeing You know rabbit hollow or something or royal tin is You know royal tin hill is just falling apart Then you may have to jockey Those two, you know, you may have to jockey this a little bit about or we may end up changing A little bit the makeup of the projects, but these are obviously just Estimates and to give us a kind of a rough idea what we may be looking at and are they a little worse case scenario? Maybe but I guess I'd rather have you know something a little bit like that The other good news is do not count out bernie sanders Because I have not gotten cut out of that fight just yet. She called I talked to hailey. She asked me a question I answered her and I haven't got thrown out yet I thought I would know by thursday or friday if we were still in the mix And we won't know until october But and she did say to me well, what if we only got money For the water portion. I'm like beggars can't be choosers. I'll take whatever I want the entire thing But if I can only get part then So, you know And well, obviously we have We also have the money coming american rescue plan money that we've talked about putting in the ground for water sewer. So You know in our case, you know, we may do some pump replacement some things So we're kind of waiting to see there What the guidelines will come from the feds, but These aren't horrible. The worst year that's horrible is and was the three point was phase three But like I said, we would never do that big of a project without honestly We'd have to have more than a 10 subsidy probably, but I'm just trying to give you some ideas so I was just curious that Crystal drive and grand street Yeah It seemed to me to be part of the rivers Well Part of the thing that's driving it crystal in particular is the state you have a you have a pressure issues that we're at Yeah, you have an evaluation every year They come in and they basically look at your system and they tell you what the problems are and we know crystal drive is a problem And we had been on the list We had to have a possible solution back to them by a certain day in december Which we did so there that's really That's a big deal and it's got a big price tag on it But we still talked about the potential of doing wells and so But we ran the numbers and it's better to go through the process because we'd get more subsidy than They thought and the other problem is too once we really looked up there at that area The housing is so tight that it was going to be a lot illegal To drill the wells and is it going to go on your property and who's it going to tap? Are you going to need an easement? Yeah, they're having issues up there with the minimum pressure Because you have to have a certain minimum pressure up there and ours I was just I was just curious that you got some river street In terms of contiguous Yeah, and then hyacinth street And highland avenue Why aren't they in the well what's not driving them is not location. It's issue. It's age of pipe It's what they've had for repairs in the past year, but no, it's a good question. But that's why and I think there's Yeah Right, exactly. I think like Teresa's saying there's still There's still some opportunity that some of those streets may flip flop or you know, you might be able to It depends I don't know if that makes how much difference that makes but anyway But no, it's a good question and again the issue we're having in Bethel is Now you look at these phases, you know one through five which basically You know counts You know a very large majority of all your water pipe, right? Yeah, and you know, this is over a 15 year schedule when you should be doing this over a 40 year schedule, you know Or 50 or whatever and because we Because we in town decided that we weren't going to do anything over the last 25 years of it now we're forced trying to get this in a smaller window which Now Teresa brings up a valid point of how how do we do this? And make it Poutable for the end users, right? You know, I mean because the end user can only go Yeah Is Right and it's become because of actually you're going to price people out people, you know Because you know the users water users are used to pay the water and they also pay You know taxes and it just becomes a point where it's it's almost Too much and and I have argued in the past and that it's like the 2.8 I think the 2.8 should go on the users There's been a lot of system and there has not been a lot of maintenance So for years people have been able to take advantage of a very low rate But it comes a point where You just it's you just you can't continue to put that burden on there And I think there's a huge value to the water system water and sewer system So you should be able to um, you know, and I think that that's a value of the system to The entire town not just the people on the system And I think you're gonna see you're gonna see just like what we're dealing with at the town level is you're gonna see a short-term spike in You know rates But a long-term benefit, you know, and um, it's just trying to get this all done Well, just trying to solve it because it's difficult to see that long-term benefit Yeah Absolutely The the good news is while we raise the budget we raised the water budget this year to pick up that note The 16,000 which is what I thought the payment was going to be at the time It kind of brought the budget up a little bit and and then if we if we don't get more funding We'll go from there, but at least it it kind of is it didn't go from here to here Um, the other thing is too. I think that and I should have looked I apologize. I should have looked to see Am I financials? I feel like you have a water note that's going to pay off too. So I'll double check that Hopefully after we can um send a mailer out to all the users Um that they can send their Send the state. Where's our money? Well, you know, I'm telling you the pieces that we just got The other problem is that you're not growing any new users. Yeah, there's exactly all of your new growth is Is in the outlying areas? Yeah All right So you're right. Yeah. Well, and that's the other pitch, you know, that's that's an excellent point actually call I'm going to write that down for my, you know Possibly just from the letter that I've mailed to the state One that we did with wane was actually nice, but um, but paul makes a good point because You know once you You know that money that we aren't Going to get is difficult because You know, it really made it more palatable for for users and now all of a sudden if I Can't get that money and they say, oh, well, maybe on a future loan we'll discount it by that much That doesn't help the user who's already eating. No that that percent We don't have any land to develop to grow right right Stop that and not to mention the fact that the state won't let us because we have violated the rules They actually have us on a our permit says we can't add any new news So you're not we're trying to fix you say we can't expand because you have this strike against us We're spending the money and so they're kind of Not giving us aid and yet also hurting us at the same time Yeah, but they're also pushing it so that the burden is going to have to be borne by all the time Well, just like everything else in the state. Yeah You know education and yeah, and the funny. Yeah, and the state's telling us we can't even expand So right now because of certain things we haven't done so we're saying pan expand And we're not going to give you the money. We said we'd give you the first place So I think also what happened is we had patrick smart and tim rayman stand up here At that meeting and talk to us now both of those two. They're no longer work there Ashley went from the but who was very good. I spoke to her today She went from the state to the bond bank and she even said to me they didn't fill her spot for five to six months So it's very easy for people to say at the state level. Well, you know that decision, you know or whatever happened and So no one's really standing up to say Hey, we'll have to tell we did tell you this curtain dick about this and they can put a little pressure on somebody that say Yeah, you know this money was promised to our town and we went ahead with this project based upon that And now you're telling us in the back end. Well, yeah, you're not going to get all your money because you know Some people aren't here anymore that maybe have promised that to you know, that's not it is and the thing too That's why they have you go for the whole 2.8 million because eventually You know, you have to pass the ball. Yeah, in that much case you're on the hook, but so we ended up I actually did do the math. So we ended up We had to take a bigger loan of 239,000 and then we received less subsidies. So I actually feel like we got Hosed out of about 400 and You know, I think but when you say 400 and something, what's that? This is what I did because here you tell me This is what because the original was 2.8 of which we had like one one something No, we were going to borrow one zero five zero. We ended up having to borrow one two eight nine So we had to borrow 239,000 more We then we thought we were going to get a 25 percent subsidy of four 37 five and we got 154 So we got shorted 283 bucks in subsidy Then over here our 50 percent disadvantage subsidy. We got a little bit more So if I took in my additional loan Plus what we got shorted and subtracted what we made this is what I'm saying I'm saying there's 479 605 because we ended up having to borrow more money Um instead of the one zero five zero now how much of that went into stormwater No, oh, I don't I don't grant or something maybe maybe I'd have to ask which I don't have I haven't we got you know needed to be done and we got a you know A good rate on but you know, that's a question too is I can ask our lawyer when we had set those water rates I think that was based on like a one two number wasn't that when I set though which one on the mailer or our most recent budget The most recent budget. I wasn't it like a one two something. No it was six I did on six something because we were anticipating. I calculated my numbers I sent it. Yeah, I sent it to the engineer and said does this look right? He says Um, I think so I go with his number and then I come back and do some when I get my numbers from the state I said wait a second. This isn't right No, I guess what I meant is the original numbers that we had received before we started the project remember it was like Yeah, one point. Yeah, 13 cents 13 dollars a quarter Right. Yeah, it was it was that was based on the one and it's about 17 Right instead of the 13 it's about 17 now that being said we also that was a couple years ago based on those numbers and that many users So the user's rate So I tried to average it out, but I came up to the loan payment of the 32 is 17 cents a day for a user But I would definitely play hard ball We can always get tick and curt involved it means that they are out of session and get a little time To kill yeah, I could investigate when we wrote our letter to the state We were asking for the 240 000, but what just when you said that about storm water What I'm wondering is once I find a value of the storm water I wonder if I ask our town attorney if we could put That portion of the storm water payment on to the tax rate Not the users, but I thought that was done through change orders, isn't that it was but I have to ask him because of the way that we voted it Um, I have to ask but it's something that we did not anticipate at the time of the two point need to be done And we had a good deal Well not to mention the fact that they were sitting there saying to it. Oh, yeah, everything qualifies it qualifies Well, we had a little money set aside for that. We did. I had just a thousand But and we paid that out of pocket But the what qualified quote unquote was meaning we get the zero percent interest, which is great But she also felt we were going to get some subsidy dollars So I'll take a look and see what I can do Yeah to play hardball with them. Oh, it's just frustrating actually when lindley gets back. She will send her on a mission. That's right Okay, so I'll ask so do we want to have any further discussions on the future infrastructure projects this evening? Or are we just Take them all it over and Continue on here Let me look at my crystal ball I will say that, you know In all the years I lived here except for last year it seemed like often the town was spending A sizable amount of money In commitments a year on fixing water breaks. Yeah, so I don't know what that exact dollar was maybe Maybe it was 10 grand 40 grand whatever it was But they always seemed like they were digging up something to fix something that was broken And this year I would say other than a couple of outliers We hadn't had that so I don't know what that value is but it's obviously Money we're not having to spend directly or we're able to develop, you know, put those resources somewhere else that are more critical But you know that's gonna be worth something the other thing that I found was interesting going back And I actually had this conversation with him when you look back on your water rates You never really included the cost to manage the um Let's see. Sorry Lindley. She's gone. Yeah, I know let's see Okay Thanks. All right So Lindley said your internet connection is too unstable. She's sorry, but she so um anyways, what what I was looked noticed is in the past You didn't have I think that this public works department was paying whoever ran the water system Because you didn't it seemed like if there was a break it got billed to the water But now we put like 15 of tim's salary in there and 18 or 15 or 18 percent of richards So but that wasn't happening before so the town was I think subsidizing the water department because you weren't paying They weren't paying workers comp. They weren't paying retirement and all that stuff So once we started changing and even now the sewer department, you know carries the majority And they always have but they carried all the buddies, but water didn't so Frankly if people were paying what they should have years ago I wonder if this discussion we're going to have would have come up Sooner or they would have amended the water ordinance. Well, I mean look at the old budgets, you know, we're Things like, you know potential retirements and things like that that were coming up like we didn't have Money put aside to pay out a retirement or you know, we had some doozies that got paid out like You know and one or two year periods and Now we're down to just I think we just down to the transfer station has one We have one and I'm actually going to start paying him per year Like paying x-ma hours per year to buy him down and then but he can't accrue anymore So he can you know, we can buy him down but eventually hopefully before he retires We will have bought him out of his you know the Crazy max and not allow them to accrue. So what do you get left on town manager's report? I have a question on the water update. Okay Two inch water length. Yep Let me flip to that. Yes. Yep. That's pretty small. They were been up Very small. I mean it's not enough to feed a fire truck. No, it's it's well They wouldn't feed a fire truck from up there anyways the hydrant has to have an eight inch mean But if you go up to upper upper pushing that's there's only a couple houses and there's no room for development So it's fine So no, and that's all engineered. We we had talked about it Yeah, he'd be surprised how much water can get through there But yeah, that too is engineered by that size to be able to get the pressure that they need up there too, right? When you're shrinking so because they go up and and they would yeah, there'd be their hydrants are down here anyways So Um, because it wouldn't have fed up fire truck up there anyways, then they wouldn't they'd hook up below Well, I just just it seems crazy doesn't it? But yeah, no, it's it's legit Been on a fire department. I know much wouldn't yeah, I chose this. Yeah, exactly I know and it's funny But yeah, so but all the hydrants obviously have to be now Off an eight or in the eight inch main or 10 eight inch main now So all of our hydrants will be and they would get their water from here But honestly a lot of times they pick it out of the river if it's not high but You have no and it's engineered a part of this right Chris is right. You have to keep pressure and Do you have substantial elevation change? Yeah? Yeah, I just Crazy isn't it much? No So the other thing was I just remind you that your planning commission report and public hearing notice are in your packet So that will be you know yours after the pc holds their public hearing in july Which we've already warned and put in the paper and there's a lot of steps to it Um dumb question. No So we'll have the public hearing and there may or may not be changes requested or suggested Right and the pc will have theirs. Maybe change is correct, you know suggested or whatever So there will be an opportunity to change or suggest changes before the final draft Right So our hope is and your hope will be as a select board member that anybody who wants to change picks it up at the pc level Because if they make any changes at the planning commission level they can deal with it And and it moves on to you if it comes to you and somebody wants significant changes It kicks it back to the pc. They have to deal with it. They have another then it comes back to you So it's so if any if if anybody has any questions like I just any major change Not a change just a question about Enforcement of some of the things or whatever That should go into the pc meeting. Yep. It can or you could email me and and email me Some of that stuff would be minor enough that it wouldn't have to go back to the Right. Yeah, but no if you just you can email me. I'm on the planning commission So I'm happy to answer you and if I don't know I'll ask if I can't remember us rick But I I was one who wrote this report. So rick and I Oh good. Well, tell me because rick I did it. I wrote it rick reviewed it the pc has reviewed it And and and nobody's found so if you find one, please tell me I'd love to fix it I also said the ditching bit has been reviewed and is out It is not out because it has been reviewed, but I sent letters Kelly's going to put them in the mail tomorrow To all the gillian residents that this paving this ditching project is going to affect Because some people it is going to affect lawns people have some of their lawns are right up to the edge of the road And we're going to be ditching So I crapped a nice letter and Kelly's mailing it to all the residents affected and I'm saying get a hold of me Because we will make a ditch. We will make sure it's mowable But I'd rather meet with you on site and deal with your concerns now Because I don't want it to come into some big litigation and we can all work out something together But we need to get the water off the road. It's all part of the town right away. So it is but there's also I was read Looking at the statue today about that too. And but you're right. It is but it's not cut and dry So we wanted to make sure that if anyone has a concern about their existing You know about what's going to happen that they reach out to me now and not when we've picked the contractor So just so you know that bid is not out yet, but it will go out this week um The in person grader training went well And forward fest is looking for volunteers. I also we had the questions on motorized wheelchairs and timber sales So I gave you the statue Yep, and then I'm hopeful the act 79 passes and I did write to dick and actually I wrote to dick because it was just in front Of the senate. I didn't write to Kirk um To say hey, I hope you guys pass this because it's a lot for local Health inspectors. It's going to be nice if they do create a spot and in the division of fire safety picks it up They're just going to have a little more bite than we're gonna. I was wondering. I know that the The health officer training has changed drastically. Yeah And I don't think we've gotten any kind of updates Probably not about that. Oh, Neil's hard to get a hold of. I know. Yeah, I know so Um, but I'd like to be a deputy Everybody's going to have a turn gene want to be a deputy deputy health officer. How is the deputy health officer there? What year go? Now we're here from it's quite the process Unreal Yeah, it is very involved inspections on rental properties That's why it would be nice if they did what they say if they do create spots at the state level and put into division of fire safety They're just fund them. There's just more exactly. They just need to fund it I did write to dick and say you need to deal with this because it's more than a volunteer can do nowadays It's very true. That's exactly what I said. The few I did took me a long time and I was like to think of pretty crafty when it comes doing that type of work and it Way more time than I want to invest in it Yeah, just what if you're doing your paving you need to get it out now or else Don't do it this year because I'll just let you know the town of Randolph bid their paving and nobody bid on Oh, okay, so And maybe try to be as flexible as you can with it. Well, yeah, I mean they could do it next I mean, I don't know like the town of Randolph let out 2500 tons of paving and reclaiming and But wind it done like by the first week in september and nobody bid on it No, I would say it needs to be done. All the contractors are filling up. It doesn't have to be done by like October 30. Well, I think where I'm getting at is you may want to start thinking about next year, you know Whatever you need to do to get through the winter to pave it in spring or something be my guess because The prices everything's just going, you know through the roof. Well, the problem is if I do the ditching bid Then the ditching has all my ditching, but it also replaces the culverts And I don't want to leave those culverts as dirt all winter Out it cut the pavement. Can we just replace the culverts ourselves the town? No Well, I'm just no I'm just saying it's no it may be more benefit to right now hold off until the spring to do Well, I can always see what the price is if I can get anybody and not just price and time and You know, it's all filling up quick. So you want I mean they have to be done by october 30 Right. Yeah, we we pave until like Thanksgiving, but well, I didn't know you don't want done that time No, I've worked but yeah, you don't know. I'm just saying it's it's um, you know the commodities going up Yeah, well, we'll see what we get the schedules are full and and the other thing too is we got to talk us I have to make a decision about sandhill I just really think we're going to end up spending the like does that grant have to be spent by june 30th Which one of 20 20 2022 the east bethelan the paving grant Yeah, I can't remember. I have to look because if it doesn't have to be I was just trying to think through that but if it doesn't have to be done by Next june, maybe you could just leave your culverts out And then put your and then put it in the next ditching line, you know, no, I could I'm just trying to think of what's going to be No, my my bigger town, you know, my bigger issue maybe so randolph didn't get any bidder so it's nice paving And that's you know, typically what I would say is a you know, uh, whatever 200 000 contract that would be, you know Um on this very lucrative for most people and I'll be even bit up Yeah, and what I'm wondering is about who's coming in to do work for tatro because I do think we're going to have to spend Well, you have to do something a thousand dollars or so on sandhill and just you won't even be able to plow it the way it is right now It's gonna rip the road part more You know, what are you going to do we waited but because we were hoping to get the project Money and it didn't work out. We didn't get the grant. So now you're I feel like and as much as I detest Doing something like that and then having to put good money throw good money after that. I don't think we're gonna have a choice So I was gonna try to figure out who's paving for g Yeah, I don't see if I could piggyback it who did it. That was son of p pain No, no not for them pike did some of tatros. Oh was it johnson? Johnson johnson. Yeah. Yeah, maybe get ahold of them when they come in I presume they're doing some paving here. What? within month or something Within three months Yeah, I think it's gonna be all right. We'll leave it at that I'm not gonna let that kid work. No, because it is July august. My guess is it'll be september But when they're leaving maybe it'll be august, but I don't I'll know more next week. I have a tuesday meeting But so johnson paving. I'll see. Yeah. Yeah, good idea So I'm gonna go to the top because I can't tell you until next time Tuesday meeting with tatero not tomorrow fall and tuesday But although I will say there this guy this crew is going fast So a town manager's report's good. Those were it that was really at the paving bid and I thought it hurt raining I was like, what? No, so That was it good It's like four minutes And it doesn't doesn't necessarily obtain to the town manager's report But the process and the town manager's performance evaluation and and whatnot, which is glowing. I might yeah I'm sure that's what your first thought was wasn't it paul? Certainly I had to call chris and ask him. So therese is gonna do her south evaluation That's right between now and the next board meeting. Yeah Prior And then I will she's gonna say to me and then I'll give each one of you a copy of her south evaluation And then what we'll do is we'll have a executive session next meeting to do her her Her whole evaluation. So what I'd like to do and I'll I'll follow up with davin and limley is If you could if you could send back No, that's fine. I'll give you what we'll do is I'll give you copies of her south evaluation Then when we sit in executive session we can talk as As a whole go through her as a working session go through hers And then then I'll compile all those notes into a The last formal document for her to sign. Yeah I also think would like you to Pick anyone you want Or all I would like you to speak to the employees I think it's important whether you choose department heads or you pick Want to whatever you choose to do whoever I deal with I deal with everybody But I think that's important because you well, I talked to you more but for generally It could be it's like we're remembered to see me once every two weeks Whereas I deal with these people 40 plus hours a week. So I think that So for me, I'm think that you should do that to see what I'm doing when I'm not here So I think it's it's uh, yeah, I'll I'll reach out to you. I'll reach out to them and yeah, you get some feedback Oh, so our next meeting is In Montana, right, but then he'll be back Rhode Island, but he might answer his phone if Chris calls him Does the evaluation process include goal setting or any of that kind of thing? Yeah, so will we have Previous Actually, you won't in a funny way because Um I didn't have an evaluation last year because I held So the evaluation process is I came in the evaluation process isn't on a calendar year schedule so ideally what Ideally Of course cove it messed with some of us. So ideally after town me After town meeting we used to wait to do the the goal process until after town meeting in case we got any type of Feedback from the town on a certain direction So the idea is to do goal setting like in April May And then we do a mid-season check-in like in august september where we check in how are you doing versus your goal? You know and yeah, did we do three goals with you? I'm pretty sure I have to look at it was a what we didn't do it in a formal not this way We kind of chatted about it and I wrote them down, but then they changed the priorities change And I give you that list anyways of what we're doing on goal So then we check in with the goals to see how that I believe it was two or three goals Yeah, it was I can write. They're like smart goals, you know and then come You know december january somewhere between january and march is when we sit down and do the The regular ones being that we were still Yeah So we didn't and this then the goals that you gave me were or that we talked about we're not Personal goals. They were like we're gonna close places pit when we were gonna do this They were more than I'm starting to get some timelines in there. Yeah that I have and um, but you'll see what the performance evaluation itself Is you know four pages long maybe? Yeah, it is and it will have you know different employees Different evaluation pieces in there and then subsections of that and it kind of like rate one out of five Yep, right. Yeah, and then you can comment on it That would be a very big for me a significant piece Yeah, you know we said we were going to try to do this in the next year or yeah, exactly Right, and you and I do give you guys there was a standard list when I came That I inherited a list of things that were out there in the ether and I give that to you guys periodically I'll say oh here's an update things. I've taken off the list I'll move to the bottom or where things are that we've added and changed and stuff, but so I'll go through it. I think we had like the water You know the the water line was on there There was something places and places was on there and something else was on I'll see if I can find that I'll send it out, but I can find it Yeah, I can find it. It's about expectations. Yeah. Yeah, so So we'll do it at the next meeting I can't remember. I hope so I've been in Bethel. I'll be four years September 18th. I'll be in Bethel four years, but only So the two years as town manager in September 12 So I was here just about two years September End of September of oh no, uh 19 Yeah, because I'll be four years and sometimes I remember I started my oldest daughter's birthday So I remember you started and then we went through the whole covid thing and yeah And I was before it worked like before for two years So but I can find the goals that I remember but I was just saying we never did this formal process before But goals to chris, but again if you I can find them We're actually the last page on the review has a section that Yeah To comment on your goals and you could just comment on what Yeah, and it gives you you can put in feedback and I could put in for the employee can because I just did all the Department heads and employees and it very well could be you know this one Is 100 done this one. We're currently working on that. We want to Move to the next calendar year or this one This one just blew up and we haven't gotten to it Okay, we'll get back So trees if the 12th so if by the I'll do it this week chris. I just I've been busy. I just haven't had a chance. Yeah, maybe by like By like next wednesday if you can give me your self-evaluation and I'll give it out to copies to everybody else and you know Yeah, four days should be enough time to yeah, I'll try to get it done this week. I just have to And then and then what we'll do is And then probably the next meeting after that will do your goal setting Yeah, which will be try to find that 467 dollars stay that's one way Well and also update that list actually I do keep it updated so I can update that list to I'll make a no I do try to put that in your packet like quarterly or so, but it's usually it's your list It's like for a list Update and I'll get that to you too. So that'll be helpful I don't know. There's always a list. This is always a list on my desk It was always nice to I don't know. I mean like the select board list that we had Yeah It was nice to know what we had been talking about but the only thing is sometimes it became like You know the like the old board right when I was getting on it became like It longer longer longer because it never took action on anything It was like, you know, the list just kept growing and all of a sudden it became two pages and it was three pages Yeah, but we narrowed it way down. I mean we've I try to put a line through it Move it to the bottom so we can see what we've tacked definitely want to keep it off the list I should do it. So that graffiti Oh, yeah, August I'm telling you just put the paint out there and I'll take care of it that night That I have gone through to get that thing. I don't even need right away. I know, you know, I ain't in roller health You know what I told I told Alan. I said Once you paint it, we're going to put a sticky note up there that says We like landscapes You know, so if you're going to tag this after we at least make it something attractive or I said that to wise I think put a note on it. We want landscapes at least one of the individuals that I've heard I don't think lives in this area the more You think that there's bureaucracy at the state it was nothing compared to You just need to put the paint down there and it'll be taken care of Yeah, no, I'm afraid it'll be worse. Well, that's the graffiti got there without a permit Well, I can't the paint you put on without a permit till the railroad catches you and then they All right, well slap my hand for all the painting over the graffiti. I tell me about it Yeah, I'll be the one to get in trouble. Yeah, exactly. You paint over that graffiti. Is that the permit? What are you gonna do it so I can get you? Yeah Yeah, you'll wrap me out to Justin that's right. You'll come get me throw me in the car I am like All right, anything else come before the board tonight You're in none. We will motion to adjourn So moved Back in All right I think Lindley was trying to stay