 Consipated but excited. I feel like the do-it-live joke is less funny now. Yeah What's old on top of so many other things? It's old. Yes, you know Right, I guess the pyramid of wrong Monster person extreme We're live. We're so live. There's a time when any monster extreme to anything made it so much better Remember extreme doors extreme mountain do Stream everything all the extreme all the things. I bought some like it wasn't called extreme, but like The best kind of Drano the other day and it was next to like two other kinds of Drano that seemed good also But then there was like extra strength. So I was like why want the best Yeah, that's why that's what they do. That's what they do. I do that with dishwasher pods I always look at the ingredients and I'm like, okay, what's the difference? There's like the top layers like three layers of dishwasher pods One has the three ingredients with like the little power ball in the middle Why would I not want my dishes that clean? Well, this is one of the worst things about modern branding is that they decided they had to differentiate each brand into 17 different versions to trick people into buying them. Well, it's like when they had a concentrated dish soap and then everything was concentrated the worst ones are laundry pods or laundry detergent because What they do is they make it super condensed So you actually don't need to use as much as they say you need to use Because it actually never washes completely out if you use liquid laundry detergent Me too, but I don't use a cap I use enough to cover a little bit more than the bottom of the cap like there's you know When you fill the cap that's the low lines Like I basically use half of what's recommended. All right, you guys are ready to go There we go three two Daily Tech news show is powered by you to find out more and help keep the show running strong head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Monday, December 4th, 2017 from DTS headquarters in Los Angeles I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline at the beach. I am Sarah Lane and from studio fiberglass in San Francisco I'm Veronica Belmont. You're literally surrounded by fiberglass right now. Yeah. Yeah, and it's and it's yellow and it's all yellow I'm probably gonna die in here alone. Please. Please someone said help or an air filter Bro, Roger Chang is here as well to produce the show Roger. Thank you so much. I am welcome Let's start with a few tech things you should know Tom's guide tested seven phones to see how fast they recharge using fast charge how fast is fast charge Well, best performer was the one plus five T Charging 59% in 30 minutes and 93% in 60 minutes like just over an hour to get 100% LG v30 was second followed by the iPhone 10 The rest of the pack went this way iPhone 8 8 plus pixel 2 and galaxy note 8 at the end of the group If you want to know what the note 8 was at the bottom and 35% charged in 30 minutes and 74% in an hour So still not too bad Cebo global market said it will begin trading Bitcoin futures on December 10th more than a week before the world's largest futures Exchange CME group launches its market December 18th. Both markets received approval from the US commodity futures trading Commission a Proposed class action lawsuit against mattress maker Casper Alleges the company violated the US electronic communications privacy act by using code from Navi stone That's supposedly collected keystrokes entered in forms even if the form was never submitted Navi stone says it takes privacy law seriously and does not do things like link email addresses to personal info How do they sleep at night? because mattress oh Here are some more top stories kick us off Veronica Facebook launch messenger kids on iOS in the US Monday the app lets children under age 13 do text and video chat with Contacts approved by their parents proactive filters attempt to stop nudity sexual content or violence And a dedicated support team responds to any flagged content a manually filtered version of the giffy search engine Is also integrated into the app a version for Android is coming soon Facebook worked really hard with the FTC They say particularly to make sure they didn't screw this up because a messenger app for kids sounds horrible So a lot of things to like about this It does not immediately convert the kids to a Facebook account once they reach age 13 You know it doesn't push them to do that They only can make friends with contacts that are parental approved one weirdness is the parents Have to be contacts with the other friends parent Interesting to make that contact which is another bulwark here. They've got the you know the bot looking out for the weird stuff I I don't know. I feel like Maybe this is something that kids want to do and and this is a good way to do it But will the kids use it? I don't know is it too soon to be teaching this kind of behavior That's what I want to know. I know it's under age 13. These kids are probably already having a fair amount of screen time I'm not a parent. I know there's very differing opinions on what an appropriate amount of screen or device time is from household to household But is this kind of like encouraging that behavior at a very early age to be communicating on that level or is that stuff happening already? I mean, I think the only reason it wouldn't be happening so much on messenger up until this point is because you know Unless you lie about your age, you're not supposed to have a Facebook account when you're under 13 I kind of like the idea of the parents needing to know the other parents It's sort of like when I was a kid my mom would be like well I'm gonna call Julie's mom and just make sure she's gonna be there if you're going over to her house You know, I mean, it's not a perfect system, but I mean Facebook wants to figure out how to get these Young people in some sort of an account early on although I know my parents didn't want to be friends with all my friends parents Yeah, so I really know that yeah, Roger you're you're you're the parent here Is this something you would see letting your daughter do or you're like no, let's just wait till she's 13 No, I would not let her you use it. It'd be one of those things if she did use it. I'd need to be next to her But definitely not something I would let kids autopilot on even in the back of the car in the long road trip. Yeah And The first step towards a hostile takeover of Qualcomm Monday announcing a list of 11 nominees for Qualcomm's board of directors Qualcomm rejected Broadcom's acquisition offer last month Qualcomm shareholders can vote on Broadcom sale slate of nominees rather at Qualcomm's annual meeting March This this all makes sense Broadcom wants to have Qualcomm's business to broaden out into the various markets of embedded processors and mobile processors Qualcomm actually has some some good automotive stuff and that would fit in with Broadcom's profile as they they continue to To work to acquire NXP. So this all makes sense in the Broadcom side I also see what Qualcomm's like. No, no, we don't want to be part of you We think we can be the people acquiring other companies. I'm sorry Qualcomm is acquiring NXP, which is What Broadcom would get if they got Qualcomm. So anyway Yeah, no means no until you submit a new slate of directors because Qualcomm felt that Broadcom considered them undervalued. Yeah, that was that's what we talked about a couple of weeks ago And I think we knew this wasn't going to be the end of the story just yet But I find this I don't know why I get Every time I hear about this story. I'm like, oh, what's gonna happen next like it's weirdly exciting to me Yeah, I don't think Qualcomm thinks that Broadcom can afford the price. They think they're worth If that makes any sense More than 1.3 million dollars has been transacted on Crypto kitties a game that uses the Ethereum blockchain to trade virtual kittens. Yes Several kittens have reportedly sold for around 50 ether. That's worth about $23,000 They have something with my life They have something called the Genesis kitten. These are the kittens made by the game You can create your own kittens. I'll get that in a second But when the game makes them which is only for limited time periods, those are worth more There was a Genesis kitten sold for 246 ether it's about a hundred thirteen thousand dollars worth of ether The kittens are not stored on a central server, right? It's on the blockchain So even if the game makers went away theoretically you'd still own your kittens There were a set of five of Ethereum contracts written for Axiom Zen. They're the folks that are operating the game Apparently 15% of the Ethereum network traffic is dedicated to the game at least at a high point recently it was 15% of Ethereum traffic 15% 15% Uh-huh. That was the number one five kittens can be sold or bread To create new kittens You get paid if someone breeds with your kitten and then they get to keep the kitten that results from combining The two kittens. I mean they have kind of a DNA thing that allows traits to be passed on So that each kitten has a unique set of characteristics This is the thing that has gotten me to understand a theorem the most this Now it's in terms. I understand which is which is good. I had a really good idea for a Bitcoin mining operation I'm sure some of you have seen bodega house her clever pet that she uses for eating her dinner at night She has to hit the Simon says buttons and it releases food I think that that right there. She is actually Mining Bitcoin that is what that does those actions. Really? No, not really Every million dollar idea my billion dollar idea my one Bitcoin idea. Yeah You hook up mining to the to the dog treadmill Essentially, yeah, I mean the fact that I love the idea of crypto kitties You know the whole thing just sounds like people trying to make cryptocurrency more internet friendly and you know add cats to it and a lot of people like Oh, I want to do that at 15% of Ethereum traffic. It's working. Yeah Axiom Zen thought exactly what you just said Sarah. They're like, yeah, let's add kittens Yeah internet loves kittens and then and the internet's like yes, we definitely love kittens This is now relatable. Yeah Neil Young launched the Neil Young archive containing almost all of his entire back catalog of music Which listeners can enjoy in high quality format using young's extreme music service The catalog is available for free listening until June 30th after which subscriptions will be available though No price was announced extreme delivers the highest quality audio that a user's bandwidth allows So Neil Young's one of those guys who says music doesn't sound good enough at mp3 And I want to help save high quality music. So he created pono Which was a music player and a service and then that didn't work So he retired the player now he's got the service and he wants to he wants to make it work Better for people and I think he's on to something with this adaptive stream so that it says look whatever your bandwidth is We'll give you the highest quality music on that bandwidth that we could up to like super high-quality high-resolution audio Well, I mean Neil Young also very prolific lots of music But once this turns into a subscription, and I know there's not a price announced Yeah, kind of a hard sell unless there's other artists that I'm also Yeah, that's I don't know if there's even one artist that I'd love that I would do this for me either Yeah, I mean Neil Young probably wouldn't be my pick although I think he's great, but like even my most favorite artists like if Rihanna has her own music service. I'm like Hey, hey my my what are you guys talking about? I don't think it's gonna stay Neil Young all the way until June No, I might my guess is the idea is you make this Friedel June so people try it You get some usage numbers then you go to other artists or you go to labels and say hey Get in the pool. You know forget title you want to get paid You know for high-quality music here you go join in with us. In fact, that would be the killer Alignment is if Jay-Z joined Neil Young on extreme music and merged title into it that That would just be a powerhouse. I think that could actually work Well, and I know a lot of people who really care about good audio listening will disagree with me But I just I don't know I mean, I I stream my music from Apple music via Bluetooth in my cars in my car speakers Turn it up really loud like I don't know the difference. I and I just I wonder how he'll young wants to teach you the difference, Sarah What he's there for you? Well, I mean, I don't know I I feel like the model of Highest quality audio is harder and harder to prove because people are just used to hearing audio At a variety of different, you know compression settings and I mean, yeah I used to think about this a lot more when I used to work with with Pat with Patrick Morton because he's so dialed into this and I went to school for audio and so he used to totally nerd out on this stuff and now I'm just I'm so used to Spotify. I have a pretty good pair of headphones. I know this is gonna somewhere Patrick Morton is like hearing there's a bell ringing. He's like someone's talking about low fidelity Oh, and not caring about the best possible sound quality and But it's yeah, you just get used to it I guess and unless you're the type of person who still has records and you know really good headphones and wants to have that Ultimate experience. I just listen for fun and convenience and maybe that's the way things are going There will always be a segment of people who want the best possible sound quality and there will always be options for those people Yeah, and maybe this is one of this is the one. Maybe this is gonna be the leading edge for the for the audio file. There you go Some updates about Amazon rolling out in Australia. The company said it will start taking orders in Australia December 5th It's tomorrow with free shipping nationwide shipping times though will be up to three days That's in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide and Canberra And as long as 10 days to some remote areas Amazon Prime will also not begin taking signups in Australia until mid-2018 Yeah, so they're just they're just opening up their warehouses there I had no idea that you could not do that in Australia. You can order from Australia And in fact Australians, I think can order from Australians on Amazon But it's kind of a crazy shipping situation because Amazon didn't have a warehouse in Australia So it would have to leave the country and come back. I think may have that part wrong But now Amazon has the warehouse in Australia. Yeah, wow, that's that's great Good good for them good except I guess for the the local people in Australia. Well, it's huge because yeah Now Amazon is having to do a whole PR campaign to say we're gonna bring jobs Don't worry even though we're gonna run all of your businesses We promise we'll employ some of you in our huge warehouses Also, I mean if you live in a remote area of Australia and people do if it's going to take up to 10 days The free shipping is a nice touch Yeah, good way to get people on board. What are you gonna say Roger? Oh, no, I just think it's Amazon's role I was been highly anticipated in Australia for the past year and a half ever since they announced it There's some early griping about pricing, but that's just because there's you know, it's an initial set of Products and whereas that are being sold. So I say give it some time, but a lot of people are really hoping Not having to pay overseas shipping to get something off Amazon. Yeah Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines comm It's a podcast. It's an echo flash briefing on the Amazon echo. It's on the Google home It's in the anchor app where you can choose even which stories in the headlines you want to listen to you can apply You can call in it's all there and you can find it to subscribe at daily tech headlines comm All right, so last Wednesday a Neil dash wrote a medium post called underscores optimization and Arms races now a Neil dash is the CEO of fog Creek software right now But he was one of the pioneers of blogging with type pad and movable type And so he was recalling those early days of blogging in this post Noting that back in the early aughts people thought URLs with article titles might rank better in Google This was back when Google didn't say anything about how they ranked anything You couldn't use spaces in a URL. So people started using underscores at least a Neil dash and type pad started using underscores But WordPress started using hyphens and there was some friendly debate over that for a while Then in the summer of 2005 Matt cuts working for Google wrote for URLs in Google I would recommend using dashes and the downfall of Western civilization began According to a Neil dash no he goes on to explain that as everybody decided to Change to dashes, which he really meant hyphens He Neil dash started to feel like this is a bad move. We shouldn't start adapting our content I know it's just hyphens and dashes, but we shouldn't adapt our content to please Google It's like pandering almost to to the to the algorithm Which is kind of fascinating because as as Neil writes in his article, you know back in the day Like blog posts were numbered so it would be like a whole list of long numbers And then they're like okay We can make this look a little bit better by categorizing it by year and then month and then date and then title And then it was figuring out what titles looked the best and then it started becoming this idea of round How do we enable users to use search engines to find our content the best? You know, it's about title and subtitle and headers and what the URL actually is and all these different factors But it was very much like a we don't really know We're just kind of trying things out and in the articles that Matt would post there'd be like little hints about what may be the you know what how the SEO was working and what Google was looking for in these articles in order to figure out page rank and figure out what results to prioritize and Suddenly it was like okay underscores. I guess are now the thing like everybody has to change to underscores was dashing Dashes were the thing and every and the people with underscores were like Hypens yeah, and it sounds like I mean that's the point that anneal dash is making is that you know having a vague sort of like Google saying we recommend dashes and being like but why what's the good reason for that? You know, do we change our entire format not knowing how your algorithm works? Which is something that we all still deal with to this day Well, I mean even think about back to 2011 with the the Google Panda stuff And suddenly the algorithm completely changed again and everybody had to refigure out how to how to Recategorize their blog posts and figure out what search terms to use and and things I was working at Mahalo at the time, which was technically a competitive search engine product and you know It was like everything could have broken in that instance and did and so it was like Google Just decides these things and then everybody has to dance to dance if they want to remain profitable or discoverable And and that's what anneal is pointing out in this article as much as I would like to spend the next 10 minutes making jokes About how anneal dash was against dashes his point is bigger than that his point is Is that? Yes, a dash or a hyphen who really came you know hyphen or an underscore who really cares But at that point Google went from indexing the web as it was To dictating how the web worked driving it yeah, and it was a small change But more changes came after that it set the precedent of we should adapt our content in order to make it work on Google and he talks about how the community then went from People who just wanted folks to find their posts and read them or maybe place in pranks like Google bombs to marketers really Creating an industry to game the system higher industry. Yeah to what we now have with trolls and harassers and activists Essentially trying to change what looks to be popular Yeah, it's um, it's it's crazy to me sometimes when I think about how there is an entire You know marketing arm of the industry around gaming SEO and figuring that out and experts in that field And it seems like almost unknowable to me even as a as a person who works in technology sometimes But yeah, it's really that's the way it is now And it's kind of sad to me that we have to kind of dance that dance and on one side it makes things more convenient because sometimes better content the the more Reputable or the better sources hopefully float to the surface though That is not always the case and Google had that problem big time Especially with Google home and picking which excerpts it reads from different news news sources based on questions It's being asked we saw a big problem around that But at the same time like it doesn't always give the little guys an opportunity to have their content be brought to the fore So it's like a weird balancing act and I don't know if Google has it figured out I think the people creating content certainly don't have it 100% figured out Well, it is one of the better arguments Against Google's market position Because it's a matter of leverage You don't care about underscores or hyphens if Google is not so compelling as an ad source for early blogs And none of this gets started the reason that there is such a community driven to game the SEO system Is because Google is where you win or lose if you're not seen on Google You're not seen anymore even in the United States where it's not as big as in the EU So you don't have a lot of leverage to buck the system I mean, it's one thing and Neil ends up by saying we've got to encourage today's newer creative communities in Media and tech and culture to not constrain what they're doing to conform to the dictates of an opaque Unknowable algorithm, which is easy to say. Yeah, but it's really hard when if you don't do that you might lose Yeah, I mean, I think that's I think you've totally hit the nail on the head. It is very easy to say that But it's very hard to do. Yeah without the leverage To force Google to change their ways. Yeah, if you're a startup and you haven't figured out how to become Findable in a sea of other companies doing similar things like your investors aren't gonna care if you say I'm not playing Google's game They're gonna say no you do everything it takes to come to the search headings Like yeah, like resin above the hyphen thing is like nobody's not interested in that Yeah, we don't really care about your fight with Google on our on a moral basis Like yeah, it's it's a money game and I don't know how we get around that I know this goes back to old the way file naming had to be where you had to use an underscore But underscores are just cooler looking. Mm-hmm. I agree always felt that way still use them. I'm with you Neil underscore I mean dash. Oh You're not winning any favors from that quarter Yeah, even with file naming now I think Sarah was talking about this a little bit earlier in the pre-show too Like I still need to name all my files with underscores even though you can use spaces in OS 10 Yeah, it doesn't matter, but I still put underscores in all my file names. No, I do that too. Hold have us die hard Hey, thanks everybody participates in our subreddit You can submit stories of vote on a daily tech news show dot reddit.com and at facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show Let's check in with Chris Christensen at amateur traveler about a software bug that made Christmas both great and empty for All this is Chris Christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute I saw a story in flyer talk comm this week Those of you who work in software like me know that bugs happen glitches happen They often have unintended consequences and sometimes rather humorous consequences in a certain light as this overlaps travel this week American Airlines flight assessment app had a bug and the bug resulted in all of American Airlines pilots being assigned leave Over the Christmas week. That means that over 15,000 flights are scheduled to take off without a pilot Unfortunately for the airline this comes when the union has been trying to get increased holiday pay And so when they asked pilots to come and work anyway a lot of them were saying no Thus, I saw there was good news. They were down to hundreds of flights without a pilot I'm Chris Christensen from amateur traveler because holiday travels is a breeze. Otherwise, that's a that's way worse And I had even initially heard I heard that all many pilots had double booked for the holiday season But yeah, he's saying here all of the pilots All the American Airlines. Yeah, all the American Airlines. Yeah, what I mean specifically American Airlines. That's Yeah, they had what I don't know how many days it was but there were at least at least a day where I'm taking a train to Tahoe. That's my trip. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just not gonna leave the house Gonna be my trip stay home never leave. That's the solution. All right. Let's check and see what's in the mailbag Jim writes approximately 14 15 months ago Signed up for Google Fi purchase and nexus 5x from them at the same time I've beautifully paid five dollars per month for five phone protection since this purchase Recently fingerprint reader stopped working many hours with customer support doing two factory wipes the whole thing They finally agreed phone not working properly Since I purchased phone protection I thought they just send me another phone But I was shocked when they told me now they were gonna give me a credit of about a hundred dollars towards buying a new Google phone I need a phone. It's gonna cost me more than that four hundred five hundred dollars to replace the 5x Hundred hundred bucks hundred fifty bucks won't do it. I've been paying five dollars a month So now I feel like I was ripped off He points to a reddit post or a reddit thread rather Where other people are complaining about the same thing. So he says to the DTNS community Do you have any advice for me? Is this type of treatment standard? Yeah there this what it seems like people are Suspecting here is that Google doesn't have any more nexus 5x's so they can't make good on the the replacement promise Knowing that if you were to take them to court what would likely happen is a judge would award damages to you in the amount Around a hundred dollars that is their guess They're gonna give you a credit of around a hundred dollars and say look we've already we'll just skip that step And we'll give everybody a credit here Especially because the 5x is a couple years old now But that is not going to change the fact that Jim and other people like him need a phone They you know the hundred dollars is great and all but you know, maybe they don't have another four hundred dollars To skip out on on a phone and you can't buy a nexus 5x anymore Unless you buy it used and the credit isn't gonna be worked that so they need the cash, but that's less than a hundred dollars. So yeah I'm curious beyond, you know, hey everybody get together and do a class action or something like that. Is there anything practical? That could help Jim Feedback at daily tech news show.com The whole five dollars a month thing that would that would get me as well. Yeah, cuz it's like I had insurance Come on My elbow anymore, but like what's a comparable thought? Yeah, just give me back everything I paid for insurance then Which is not the way insurance works, right? And that's not Google can't do that because they probably weren't collecting the five dollars five dollars was probably going into an insurance fund so Veronica you just look like Yeah, this is reminding me of a problem my mother-in-law is dealing with with her Internet service, uh-huh, which is very frustrating. That's a topic for another day Well, you'll be back another day. Thank goodness and you can find Veronica other places as well, right? 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That's our motto Oh So our titles are a theory old kittens create your own kittens somewhere Patrick Norton is twitching And I was on get it and I was because Oz is the nickname for Australia And I was on Yeah, I know Z Casper knows when you're sleeping Wait, where's that from? Oh, Casper Casper, yeah Purina crypto chow anyone we love crypto kitties Amazon moves down under that whole thing is gonna is a bubble. I'm waiting to burst. I tell you that right now Neil dash underscores Cryptocurrencies and you'll dash underscores the importance of dash not that they'll go away. It's just I think over inflated How does Casper sleep at night's crypto kitties keep on rocking in the stream world? Not a nod to Neil Young it is music Use underscores would be a shame of something were to happen And you'll dash hopes and you'll dash dashes hope on dashes Broadcom, it's not me. It's you calm versus calm Tomorrow show will be a 20-minute apology for the puns Neil Young still says that's just Never apologize for puns. What's in the URL dash against dash use underscorer. Oh, wait rooting the internet rooting dash the dash internet Hi, I think it was a hyphen. Oh hyphen dash My vote is one of the crypto kitties ones for all these reasons, but you know, I can be swayed Elsewhere, I like to have one too. That's a band that doesn't need to be in high-fidelity I think I'm sorry never apologize. All right. I need that. I need the title now and my son is top Yes, but this is not a democracy no, I'm fine with that I just didn't know if that That was nothing else tickles my toes. Well, cuz Sarah liked the Kitty ones I kind of like what like I mean, that's low-hanging fruit for me. I'm always gonna choose that also. It's good for SEO Only if you use dashes in the title All right, it's done that's done. I met we've talked to Matt cuts before he used to be head of SC I think he still is at Google. No, I don't think he's there anymore. He's not He used to have all sorts of great tricks on how to search your stuff on Google Look him up on Wikipedia, but I don't think I think he I think I might be confusing him with someone else though So Let me see when will the kitty bubble pop is number one ethereal kittens is number two ethereal kittens. Yeah ethereal kittens. Well, that's not that's not what it is though. That's just create your own kittens Also, I just want a kitten title Tom. No, I'm just looking at the votes now We decide to be so democratic I'll actually pay attention to the titles and go look Let's see When will the kitty bubble pop? That's pretty funny. It's a theory um kittens Am I think Amazon is pretty funny. All right That's a good one. I know that's the one Roger like he left he left in 2017 to join the us digital service So I was recalling correctly Yeah, but it was recent that he left. I didn't realize it was that recent. It was just this year Am Oz on I remember they were all I hate wearing my glasses, but The rundown was so much easier to read today. Yeah I I was kind of just like pretending that I have 2020 vision I remember that moment when I was like, I guess I'll try doing the show with my glasses on and then I'm like Oh, I didn't make any mistakes reading because I couldn't see Maybe I should do you drive that way without glasses Who me? Yeah. Yeah Because I I'm far I'm farsighted. So it's only the reading Me too. Me too. Yeah, so you won't see the stop sign You see the stops I didn't get till you get to it then it's blurry. You see the billboard far away. No problem Yeah, yeah, no, you see I can read road signs and everything fine. It's the Um, it's like the nav on my phone. I couldn't read So I wear these Sometimes when I drive so that I could read nav But if I know I'm not going to need to read anything actually inside of the car Well, I tried to get around it by increasing the text on google sheets to 125 percent Which helped yeah Also helps but like It still wasn't like crisp Yeah Well, as soon as you pass 35 your eyes start getting stiff Well, luckily I'm 29 forever. So 27 for me. I'm I'm that's my that's your forever. Yeah, 71 71 27 Forever 71 29 forever sounds like a really good store idea Forever forever like I felt like I knew enough like I didn't know as much as I know now, but I knew enough felt pretty good Sorry, oh, it's okay. I'm 35. It was when was it? I don't know how many years ago. 2009 Something like that. Was it the year we started sorting lasers that way? No, it was um kind of what I was going after What year did you start? I would like to be 2007 Yeah, 10 years ago. Yeah good run. Yeah, we just had our 10 year old birthday. That's so great. I know It's kind of bananas That shiz is bananas and I s That is the second Gwen Stefani reference I've made today My car yesterday. Oh, yeah, we've been doing east meets west for 12 years I don't even that's crazy I we've done it since I was at seen it when I was at seen it. We were both at seen it And then I left seen it And then we all left seen it Roger left first I left first I left on Christmas The the the week before Christmas, but roge you weren't part of buzz out loud at all. Totally different. No, I was part of game spot live Oh, it's the live that makes it exciting great and incredibly hot with the lights on I should head to work You are at work, but you have to go to other work right Go look like I'm at work Stop actually working here and start looking like you're working But if you put like a mannequin in your place while you do the show at the desk That would be weird with a bot Yeah They'd never know Did you get that to me yet? Did you get my email? And it'll just be like Veronica's most frequently pre-recorded answers. Yeah. Oh, just no, you know, I'll have like a text of speech engine in your lol And the way hold on just a second What would be cool is the mannequin will have a speaker where the mouth is Oh, do I need to What happened to uh Tom did he not like us? Really? Tom's like Yeah, are we not streaming? I know I'm still stream. I'm running the stream Okay, I don't know if I need to Tom's back. Yeah. No. So the uh, the audio version's gonna miss the last minute of what you said I don't know what happened there. We just asked about like, oh, where did Tom? Yeah Yeah, to be on the audio version. You won't hear that. You'll just hear me going. Whoa. Well, that was weird. Hold on Did google say we just want to make sure it's you? No, the window just disappeared It just closed itself Well, maybe we've reached singularity and the in the search engines finally figured out what's going on Yeah, maybe flexing its muscles twitching its toes It protects the person with the stop with the start and stop broadcast button. That's what it is, Roger It's sacrificed me for your good Yeah, I'm fine with that As it should be All right All right, I'll see you guys later. Thanks You too fight And I'm almost published here too. It was a quick publish today publish on the hair publish on your hair Flipped a bit from a cosmic ray says undermined. Yep Probably I don't believe that can ever happen You don't believe that a cosmic ray could ever flip a bit. You don't think it's you think it's impossible It would never happen ever. Oh, okay. I will not say it's impossible. I'll say it's improbable Flip a bit. Yeah. No, it is improbable That's I agree with you a bit of what? Uh your computer Like a cosmic ray hits your computer and the processor changes the zero into a one Yeah I mean, it's there's a similar term for different events that happen throughout humanity Uh in for helicopter pilots that fly into a combat zone. They call it the golden bb It's the one small caliber rifle hit that hits the most important part on the helicopter. Yeah golden Golden bb also one of my favorite pubs Do they do uh fish and chips? Yeah, well, I have a I have a hatred for fish and chips What do you guys think about just converting the show into a pub? Into it Like a gastropub or just a pub pub? I could be I thought about gastropub. We could do that I mean I can do a gastropub if you're in a pub You kind of want it to like kind of want to like drink a pint And midday is tough Yeah, that's why the gastropub is great because you get to eat. Well, I'm yeah, I'm thinking We Instead of the show trying to get people to donate on patreon. We say if you want to hear the show come to the pub Oh wait, is this running a restaurant kind of thing because you know how I and you have you have experience Roger This idea can work I mean there are definitely physical locations that hosts podcasts. Oh, yeah No, we could in all seriousness. We could do that. You're right You know, if you host if you put in Arcadia, you get really cheap fiber with like symmetrical 100 Probably cheaper retail space too And they're peacocks that run wild in the city Right and that could be our we could use that as our um as our logo No one No one would ever sue us for using a peacock as our logo Never because we're in Arcadia Why isn't mbc in Arcadia? Uh, yeah, no, I just really like pubs. I don't really want to change the show that much but I like a good pub Yeah, I do. Yep. I like pub food. I again, I'm not a drinker, but pub food is good I love all of it. I love the the wooden interior, you know, the nice comfy dark place I don't actually Reminds me of old people something I don't want. Yeah, I'm forever 71 It's like it's like that it's like that a lamp with the green tint on it that they used to use back of the uh late 19th century late 20th century for Accountants and people calculated stuff. Oh, yeah. No, I love that I hate those things. They should remind me of old people. I think I want my retirement to be a pub Run you like run it? No, just sit at it I'll have to run it It's work, you know at my favorite pub if you want to call it a pub. Hanano. It's a uh casual pub Uh, mr. Hanano, that's what I call him. I don't know his real name, but the guy who owns the place Yeah He has his little stool and like when he's there you can't sit there. Oh, right. Okay. That's where he sits Yeah, yeah, he does the cross bird New York Times cross bird And he kind of you know, he's friendly enough, but he's not talking to anybody just kind of You know observing and I think mr. Hanano has the life right Because he just wanted to like go and people watch and do his cross bird and now we can yeah uh, Paco's tacos Paco stands at the front greets people Not particularly friendly unless he really knows them, but you know, he's not mean or anything Uh and then just sits and watches hockey or baseball or whatever in between. I'm like, it's pretty good Like he he owns the place And then it's at the front and it's like how many Three he makes somebody else go see them. He didn't he didn't do that He's just watching. Yeah, he's got you know, he has he has support Yeah, yeah, like, you know, it's the same, you know, if you change it to more morning hours It's like I'd love to have a cafe You know serve people coffee say hello Well, okay, so my favorite place ever was laser me cafe in austin texas. It's gone now They tore it down and made it a starbucks But it was a former austin cab driver who served beer wine coffees lattes and like great food So and cheap super cheap food and you could just go there and sit there all day I mean that I that's honestly the ideal right there That's how I feel. I mean, I know there's a part to it when you're running a business, but I'm like Play good music Hang out with the locals You know, yeah, do a podcast but you're you own the place I love it You have a little stage where you do a podcast. You guys have such a romanticized view of that life It's so true. Everyone I know The food industry is like No, yeah. No, and I believe me. I know I know that I want the romanticized version to be true though, roger this That's like every prize fighter or fulver soccer player or rugby player or Pro sports. They open a bar or a restaurant. They just hang out there I know All right, folks. Uh, well, we will probably not be turning the show into a pub or cafe unfortunately But we will be back tomorrow with another show. So Please join us then Join us won't you?