 and then you know every since then you know me and Bishop you know we had our little ups and downs you know one time I said something slick in the magazine I said man you know I ain't with that church shit oh damn no I was doing it because it was some shit that was going on and you know I guess you know the things want to be the pretty much be like you know like a soldier but I was a leader so I didn't want to you know I didn't want to follow their rules but you know I said some crazy shit the bishop says some crazy shit in the sister assistant magazine I'm gonna ask you about dumb one man dumb one he getting old the man dumb one is uh uh one of those guys man I always followed him bro and I know y'all was both y'all was together y'all was he was in that uh uh pmc that last one was he there was he that I choose you that that that one with outcasts and pimps yeah all of us was there he was there I actually put them I brought them all together but was he at the one that he wasn't he was on the one with 50 cent too I bring you the chosen one big jeffrey I know he wasn't in there yeah he was in the pmc he was in the net Nellie pimp juice so he was in the outcast yeah he always in the outcast they was uh uh pmc gave me he put me in charge of bringing all the players so valentino from dalas you know so we got all of them and then you know we call all the players you know and we got them all there and uh we was able to you know put that together you know i'm saying me and you know down wine but I'm gonna ask about dumb one down wine is like when I was in prison right and uh I was on my way home it was a it was a magazine so the magazine the magazine right so I cut the magazine out and it was a picture down one with this jewell and I I used that life when you was in prison yeah yeah I was going I was like about two months I used that as motivation wow you know I would look at that thing at this time you know down one you didn't met him no I see them you know because you know I used to hang out you know I ran away from home and I used to stay at this hotel called the uh the madison hotel right there on madison california you know and you know me and my brother used to paint our mustache act like we was over you know to get in there to get because then you have you just had to look ground so we're you're in there acting ground and stuff walking there with beer you know but you know we had ran away from home so we was standing at this hotel so doing a chocolate dice and all the pimps they should come and bishop would be coming down the street down madison all the pimps would get excited they go down one they go bishop so that that's the closest I got to him but when I got in prison I seen the picture so I took a picture of him so in 95 uh this guy you know I see him at this place called mr. k he said hey man you know we're going to have a players ball you know at this time I'm top like pimp now you know I'm really pimping so you know I mean I think man you know we're gonna be there he said down one and ice tea and all the others yeah man I'm gonna come to that shit so I gave the nigga 500 I even know this nigga he could have been running gay I gave a 500 dollar for a bi p so uh I came to the party I walked in there he's at the brothers lounge in madison you know on pulaski you know on the west side so I go up in the motherfucker and I see him down one it's my first time saying it was like me I see a superhero I said damn and he's a hero that's down one but then you know I was pimping Ken so I'm talking all this shit and I didn't remember I told you I didn't know I could talk shit so I'm up in there like yeah man who bitches these you know I'm saying I'm talking in and running my mouth and yeah man all these bitches you know send me hey bitch take one look at her hey bitch that rose won't be your choice and I ain't trying to impress them that's just who I was you know and then I drink a little bit back then so I was amplified and so Bishop now was laughing at me and then that's the first time I seen ice tea so I'm talking shit to the council yeah bitch hold the blow a bottle kill me and ice tea standing right behind me you know I'm saying he laughs as I look back I see laughs oh this nigga like this shit right so you know send me you know that was that I never seen them niggas again to the next year they threw it again because it was like you know no actually after that they invited me to the west side okay and they started hanging out with me so one of the things to hang out with Bishop you got to buy him some more at okay so we had to buy more at to kick it with Bishop and shit you know I said that's just you know how the niggas do it on the west side so we got to buy them more at we kicking it and you know we just started fucking around with each other you know and then all the niggas in Chicago you know I'm from Chicago but them niggas I didn't know them niggas like that these old niggas pimp niggas so they started fucking with me they started liking me and they like man woo they started inviting me to all these parties and shit then I got cool with him you know send me so but how we really got bonded was what pimps up holds down okay yeah I remember that told you that story so when I met them on the second player's ball I see like they go Kenny Ivy you know I'm saying so me him got really cool and that's how our relationship extend to this book today you know I'm saying me so you know me and ice got cool and then you know ever since then you know me and Bishop you know we had our little ups and downs you know one time I said something slick in the magazine I said man you know I ain't with that church shit oh damn no no I was doing it because it was some shit that was going on and you know I guess you know the niggas want to be the pretty bird should be like you know like a soldier but I was a leader so I didn't want to you know I didn't want to follow their rules but you know I said some crazy shit then Bishop said some crazy shit in the sister assistant magazine so finally if you go on you too you see when he came to my house yeah I invited him to my house him and the porn star pinky to do Richie Rich they all came to my you know my little baby mansion Kenny Red you know so we sitting there I got him food I had a feast for him and shit and then we got on there and said yeah man you know hey man you know I gave him like some money I don't know 200 dollars a size and yeah man I gave business some money man I paid the church man I'm with the church man I fuck with the church you know and so the niggas like yeah niggas that's all you had to do niggas don't don't talk about the church you know what I'm saying so I was like man I love the church you know what I'm saying I love them niggas now he's right here man Revice Mo became my partner you know I'm saying he came to my daddy's funeral and so it just we just all came it was weird man how like you know it was confusing because you know me being Pippin Ken and being the law mouth young dude and Bishop being the laid-back player you know I'm saying it was kind of they thought it was conflict but it really wasn't you know I'm saying I love Bishop and Bishop and Seymour they put me in the game it wouldn't have been no Pippin Ken if them niggas wouldn't had to pimp stuff hold down so that's how niggas got introduced to me through a platform that they initiated through Tracy which was the niggas of King Bird's cousin you know what I'm saying so that's how we all got tied in did you um uh when he first started hanging out with Snoop did that surprise you or did you see that coming no we had already man I'm telling you man all the select all see you know I was hanging you know he was Snoop Dogg hard now but you gotta remember we was always with celebrities he was with Ice TV for Snoop remember so all the celebrities wanted to be around the Pimpin but you know they was what he was with Snoop but I was with everybody yeah so you understand me so it was like you know it was a good thing because I was hoping that one of them niggas would see Bishop and Snoop relationship and fuck with me the same way yeah and you know my thing was you know how I get down it was gonna turn into a bag yeah yeah yeah so that's that's what I was the I said man if I could knock one of these niggas man these niggas you know what I'm saying they realized the value of the Pimpin and the rapping you know what I'm saying so the niggas that stepped up to the plate was Pimpin yeah so you understand me so so so Snoop Dogg was Bishop's you know person of interest and Pimpin Pimpin was my personal interest but I also had too short I also had outcast I also had a little John so what I wanted to do to separate myself from Bishop was I wanted to be cool with everybody you know I'm saying I got on everybody album and then that created a check for me we on boss talk one-on-one one-on-one yeah we gonna talk boss talk one-on-one one-on-one yeah we gonna talk