 This 10th year of Daily Tech News Show is made possible by you, the listeners. Thanks to every single one of you, including Creea Ardham, Tony Glass, Philip Less, and brand new patrons coming in under the wire at the end of the year. Starseed 33 and Alex. On this episode of DTNS, Molly Wood breaks down the Adobe Figma breakdown. Jason Howells here to tell us what he thinks will be the big new mobile trend for 2024 and Sony backtracks on removing discovery shows that you paid for. This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, December 22nd. Christmas Eve Eve Eve 2023 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from the studio on Scooter Lane, suggested by Benjamin, I'm Sarah Lane. From Oakland, California, I'm Molly Wood. Drawing the top tech stories in Cleveland. I'm Len Peralta. I'm the show's producer, Roger Chang. And joining us, cohost of Android Faithful. Jason Howell. Hello, how's it going? It's so great to see all of you on the streams and do a podcast with you. Thank you. Oh, my gosh, I cannot think of a better way to wrap up 2023's live streams of Daily Tech News show than with this group right here. Y'all are the best. Thanks, everybody, for being here. Well, you see how you feel at the end of the show, Tom. Yeah, we'll check in in 30 minutes and find out. Let's let's start trying to ruin it with somebody's gringes in here. Android authorities, Michelle Raman, also found on the Android Faithful podcast, notes that Google introduced a new battery information page in the about phone section of settings. It shows the manufacturer date and cycle count of the device's battery thanks to a new Android 14 API. But Raman notes that lots of other battery data is also available in that API, including state of health, which estimates the battery's full charge capacity and a battery health page has shown up in Android 14 at QPR to beta two. But only if you know it's there and only if you manually activate it. None of this confirms that Google will be adding a battery health indicator to Android, but also signs are pointing to yes. China's National Press and Publication Administration wants to limit people spending money within video games. A new set of draft rules published Friday would make developers limit the amount of money players can spend in game. And display pop-ups to alert users when that spending is deemed irrational. Incentives such as daily sign-in rewards would also be banned, according to these new rules, as with large tips to game streamers. However, the administration also approved new games for publication, which has been a slow thing in China lately. Hyperloop One, the transportation startup that planned a type of high speed rail through tubes in a vacuum, is reportedly selling off all of its assets, laying off its remaining workers and preparing to shut down by the end of 2023. The company raised a $450 million in venture capital since its founding back in 2014 and completed a test track in Nevada back in 2020. Although the technology behind the Hyperloop is feasible, the cost effectiveness of the project does not apparently prove feasible itself. Today, no full-scale functioning Hyperloops exist anywhere in the world, although several companies are still developing the technology, including the Boring Company. Last month, the politicians said they had figured out a deal for a directive that would require employees of gig work platforms like Uber to be presumed employees. There were five indicators. If two of the five indicators were identified related to control and direction of work, you're an employee. However, EU laws need to pass the parliament and the European Council, which is made up of representatives of each country. Now, usually they do these agreements to ensure that the law will have smooth sailing through those bodies. But this directive did not pass the council. Spain blamed multiple countries. They said conservatives and liberals. Everybody's to blame. The rumor is that France is leading the resistance to the legal presumption of employment. That's their big objection. If minor changes can't be made that satisfy the council, then the directive is going to have to go back to negotiations. And that means it might not be resolved before the next EU elections. Everybody wants to see what chatbot is the best. And the Verge conducted tests of ChatGPT Plus and Gemini Pro to see how they compared to each other. Overall, each model was good at different things. Emilia David wrote, Bard is largely capable of going toe to toe with ChatGPT Plus, although it can offer some features like image generation yet. David also found that Bard was a little slower and a little more likely to decline to answer questions due to restrictions meant to prevent controversial or inaccurate responses. David also noted Bard is free and ChatGPT Plus caused $20 a month. All right. So this last quick hit is a little tricky. So let's set a few things straight ahead of time. Apple has been banned by the US International Trade Commission from importing watches that have the blood oxygen sensor that the ITC says violates the patent of a company called Mossimo. Apple has decided to stop selling its two watches that have that sensor, the Series 9 and the Ultra 2. It can send it can also not send more supplies to third parties because the watches are assembled overseas, so they can't import them and send them to third parties. But third parties can continue to sell whatever they have in stock. OK, so knowing all that will help you understand the news today. Apple cannot replace your out of warranty watch if it has a blood oxygen sensor. So if you go in and say, hey, the screen broke, they used to just swap in a new watch. Now they can't do that because that would be distributing the watch in violation of the patent. The only thing it can fix in that case is a software issue. However, if your watch is under warranty, Apple can honor the warranty and still replace it. You also can't exchange a Series 9 or an Ultra 2 that you bought earlier this year for a different one. Apple is appealing the ITC ruling and also said it's working on a way around the patent. And we'll see if either of those things happen any time soon. Well, it's good that Molly's here because we have a story about Sony. And you and I have a long history with stories about Sony going going back to the root kit days. Sony announced that discovery content it was going to have to remove from PlayStation users. Purchased libraries by December 31st will not be removed after all thanks to updated licensing arrangements. Now, granted, there aren't a lot of people that bought the stuff. Sony even ended its store a few years back. But hey, you paid for it. You probably want to keep it. This situation resulted from Sony not having the full rights to continue to offer shows despite selling them to you under the impression that they did. But I'm also going to put blame on discovery here because discovery holds the licenses. They if they had pulled them, it would have been Discovery's decision to say we're not going to come to a deal with Sony. Sony made a bad deal. Don't get me wrong. But Sony also didn't try to compensate people for lost shows. At least they didn't say they were going to. I think that was bad. But discovery was the one pull in the content, not Sony. Thankfully, all of this is moot. The two sides have decided for whatever reason they're not talking to agree on something that will let PlayStation users continue to access whatever of the around 1200 Discovery titles that would have been affected. So in the end, nothing's getting pulled. I mean, when for the folks that had, you know, had had bought their content and said, hey, wait a second. We we bought this content. How in the heck could you could you pull it? I'm a little surprised, to be honest, that the two companies made an about face on this because I think a lot of times the consumer is just the one that gets the rug ripped out from under them and, you know, is just sort of mad and that's the end of it. So, yeah, I mean, I get a win for anybody who and a few of you did write in saying I'm one of these people who who had a lot of content that is that is at risk of being pulled from me. I mean, I think this sort of goes back to a conversation that we have all been having for a really long time, which is that if it's bits, you probably don't own it. You know, I mean, you could and that that could be that could be because of licensing. It could be because of a fight between so and so. It could be because of a dream. Wow, when you make my video, I really realize I'm wearing this hat. I am wearing it. For those of you who can't see, it's an Oakland, Turkey, Trot hat from this year. Rocking Turkey. It's hot. It or it could be because of a massive data loss, right? I mean, it's sort of like your cloud infrastructure could be destroyed in all of your digital bits. Like it's just not a thing. You could sort of see why we move to a rental model when it comes to this idea of digital goods, because if it can't hold in your hand, it's probably it's like kind of like crypto, but not your key, not your crypto. Yeah, not your not your cloud service, not your digital video. That's not as catchy. But yeah, I mean, it's this whole story really taps into this idea of permanence when it comes to media in general, not just video content, you know, that you can access through your PlayStation. But like you were all saying, when we pay to own something that is purely digital, served in the cloud, wherever someone else's servers, there are a million different reasons why that ownership could suddenly be revoked. And as a consumer, like we've all lived through the days where we truly own things, where you bought a movie and you literally had the movie in your hand. And the only way you lost that is it was destroyed or you sold it or got rid of it or something like that. This this model for all the convenience and beauty that it does offer also has a serious downside, which is that nothing is permanent when we're talking ownership here. I think Tom, you nailed it when you have referred to this as like extended rental, you know, it's like longterm rental and that's exactly what it is. And I don't like that because I think the risk longterm is that we lose touch with all these things that are cultural touchstones, be it gaming, be it movie, TV, whatever, we used to know exactly where those things were forever. And obviously that's not the case anymore. There's a lot of these kinds of stores that will let you download a version and keep it locally and your risk is limited. But I still always look at it as I'm paying this to have a longterm rental of it. I can do a 24 hour rental for this price. I can have an sort of open ended rental for this price. And that's why I've always looked at this stuff. That said, there have not been very many instances where content has been removed from your library. We're always worried that it can happen. It absolutely can happen. They have the rights to make it happen. But this is a case and I think this will be forgotten because everybody will remember being mad about what was gonna happen and not what happened where public pressure definitely caused companies to come to an agreement that they weren't going to come to otherwise. And it bears out my premise that over the longterm and sometimes it's a little too long, consumers always win, I can think of one example in Europe where content was actually removed. And in that case, I think there was a refund. I know recently Google took down all of its magazines from a magazine store that hasn't been around for years but they let people download them and gave them refunds for any of the versions that when downloaded wouldn't be fully functional as they wouldn't have the interactive elements anymore. So I'm not saying don't get mad about this stuff. I'm saying getting mad about it apparently works because we don't have a lot of actual horror stories, just a lot of people getting upset. Yeah, agreed. I can actually think of times where there was an announcement about photo, photo services was the big one and has always been the big fear. And I'm trying to remember which photo service it was that sort of said we're gonna delete all, even when they migrate it and then delete it, there's a huge outcry. So yes, I agree, just don't, if yes on the one hand we're in this paradigm and digital bits could always just boop into the ether but we shouldn't accept that. If somebody is like, oh, I know you bought that and I know we told you that you bought it and we sold it to you for $20 instead of two but now we're gonna take it away. Your response as a consumer is no thank you. Yeah, make it very clear to discovery that if you don't come to an agreement with Sony on this stuff, a bunch of people who aren't going to be affected directly will no longer trust buying stuff and your potential market just got smaller. You don't wanna do that. So earlier this week, Evan Blass, you probably know him as Ev Leeks, uncovered a countdown clock to the next Samsung Galaxy unpacked event. Looks like it's gonna happen at 1 p.m. Eastern Wednesday, January 17th, waiting on the official word but Evan Blass is pretty good at uncovering this stuff. It also contained the phrase galaxy AI is coming. So that's pretty clear. There was a leaked spec sheet which overall didn't have too many surprises in it. But Jason, you looked at this in somebody who's covering Android continuously, you realized it kinda shows one of the big trends in mobile software for 2024. Tell me what you're thinking. Well, I mean, definitely I've had my mind in the world of Android for a long time and I've recently been very, very interested in the kind of the modern development of AI and generative AI and everything like that. And when I look at the smartphone industry right now, I see a lot of people who are once incredibly excited about everything new that is mobile. Mobile has reached this mature point where it's really hard for it to wow us. It's really hard for it to do things that are more than we've already seen. So the hardware innovation, we're not really seeing a whole lot of that. Maybe a little bit infoldables but that's not one of those things that's really winning the world over, right? Like it certainly has its devotees but it's not the total innovation that everybody's buying into. But when I look at the software and I look at the promise of what we've seen in the last five, seven years when it comes to AI on device, be that Siri, be that assistant, whatever it is. And the promise was there and it did some of those things but I think long term it also disappointed a lot of people. When I see where we're at with AI and primarily these chips, these AI chips being on device, the actual AI computations happening on device so that we don't, at least we have less to worry about as far as our data and our privacy going out in the cloud and what it's capable of, specifically what we've seen in the last year as far as advancement and growth in that industry. And then where we're headed right now, I think 2024 is gonna be a really big year for mobile because of what this integration of AI is going to do. It's gonna make us excited about software again because some of these advanced features that we're gonna see in these phones are actually gonna be incredibly useful. Hopefully they aren't totally disinformation machines but I think a lot of them are gonna be really useful in ways that we were hoping we would see five years ago and didn't quite materialize. And we're getting a lot more on device capability. Apple just published a white paper about that that is open for other people to use. And I know there's a lot of development being done at Samsung, around this Google obviously as well and open AI and anthropic, et cetera. So there's gonna be more that you'll be able to do without having to send that data off in the cloud too. Did Qualcomm make some announcements on that front as well? Yeah, yeah, they've got an AI neural processor kind of thing too, yeah, that's good, right? I wanna know what Jason thinks about the humane AI pin. Like as long as I just have you here. Speaking of mobile and AI. Yeah, I mean, that's one of those products that you could, and I have, we could easily make fun of it and be like, are you kidding me, like no. But it's a really early example of where I think this stuff is headed and is it the right solution right now? Maybe not, like some of the projection onto the hand, that thing's a little bit silly, but I kinda understand why it exists. But it's new and different, right? But it's new and different, right. Like also one of the threads from this last year was the whole Johnny Ive doing a partnership with Open AI to work on something mobile that is really AI first. And that kinda sounded silly and funny at the time, but the more that I've seen the mobile developers, or not just developers, but the people making the hardware, bringing their chips on device and doing some really cool things with it, the more it really makes sense. It's kinda like the humane AI pin is like another version of what I believe Johnny Ive and Open AI are probably gonna be working on it and that they're all gonna be working towards in the next handful of years. So yeah, interesting, really cool time, I think. Yeah, I do think you're right that we need differentiated features on mobile to get people excited about phones. I mean, maybe we don't need them. Maybe as consumers we're fine. Like, you know what? If I can keep my phone longer and not have to buy a new phone, that's great. But if you wanna be excited and have something new out of your phone, it's gonna have to be software. It's going to have to be features because I think- Right, it's like there's only so many ways we can fold a phone and say, whoa, look at this one. When's the last time you got excited about a laptop form factor, right? Like, it's even with that. Yeah, I feel like we just sort of stopped caring because one works well. Right, and it works for as long as it works and that's fine and I want phones to be in that category because I want to actually be able to release myself from that screen. I like the idea of the humane AI, the on-lapel processing or frankly, like an earbud. Like bring on the bionics. I am in favor of being able to sort of offload some of these processes from the black mirror and onto something that is more like a wearable or is just more integrated. We've been talking about ambient computing which has not emerged yet forever. And so I'm excited about a universe in which that gets better and we deemphasize the laptop. The phone starts to become more like a laptop. It's just like, it's a utility. It's an appliance in the house, but it's not the be all and all of where the hell is it? And I need to be touching it right now. There's the road that humane AI is going down. There's the road that virtual reality, mixed reality, augmented reality is going down. And if those two roads cross, you get what you want which is ambient computing that is in your head, in your eyes and easy to access just hopefully without a big headset, big clunky headset, right? Something that's a little, I don't know if it has to be implantable but something that's a little easier. I want my implant, I'm ready. You've been ready for years. Ah, really? Yeah. Cyborg me, let's go. All right, folks, we have lots of other stuff coming. We'll talk about our holiday shows coming and the Daily Tech News show YouTube channel is popping off these days. We've got Android Faithful on there. We've got the top five and top five is going throughout the holidays as well. Today is the top five tech news stories from 2023. If you want me to count down what I thought were the big stories from Silicon Valley Bank to open AI. Well, there's two of them. Find out what I think about them and find out what the other three are. Go check it out at youtube.com slash Daily Tech News show. On Monday, we passed along news that Adobe and product design company Figma called off plans to merge. Their reason concerns by regulators in both the EU and UK that Adobe would be abusing its monopoly position with Figma on board. Now, Molly, we know you've been following this story closely, so let's unpack what you think is going on here. Yeah, thank you for indulging me in this one. I know that this story is about a week old, but I cannot get enough of it because I think it is such an earthquake of a story in the startup and investment landscape specifically, and it says a lot about what we're going to be able to expect in terms of companies and startups being able to exit and get acquired in the future. You know, it's a big sign that the regulatory landscape has changed, but it's also, you know, when this, and frankly, it's a tech press story, like when this story broke that Adobe was intending to acquire Figma. I mean, I can't tell you how many people I talked to this week who said, oh, I thought that was a done deal, which I think we can all agree is a failure of the tech press writ large because anytime that there's a merger of that size, a $20 billion acquisition, in the landscape that we're in in particular, there was always going to be a bunch of regulatory scrutiny. This was also a story that had like venture capitalists in the valley dancing the biggest jig you've ever seen and sort of saying this is proof positive that our industry still works because there'd been this kind of string of investment failures and sort of high profile hits, you had WeWork, you had Theranos, you had the whole kind of crypto rush and this is kind of an industry that has been looking for a hit since I would say Uber and so then they get this big Figma deal done, this big huge exit as they call it and a bunch of VCs are gonna make a ton of money as are the employees of Figma and the deal falling apart means that now some VCs are still going to get a lot of money because there's this billion dollar breakup fee but the employees are not and so it really changes the calculus I think for people who are gonna go work for startups, it does mean that venture capital missed another big exit like really again, missed this big success story that they were so smug about and then of course there's a whole bunch of other stuff that goes in it, like it's possible that because of the regulatory scrutiny, the actual merger was taking long enough that generative AI appeared and changed the entire design ball game and Adobe was like, you know what, actually it's totally worth us paying a billion dollars to make this go away because maybe we don't need it now as much as we did. You know, we don't always talk about the venture capital side of things on tech stories that are relevant, we think to our audience because, you know, it's often kind of inside baseball and largely financial. You mentioned the breakup fee and we talk about breakup fees happening when a company gobbles up another company or it is merged and there's a lot of money at stake. Is there ever a situation Molly where the employees get the breakup fee? I mean, is this just kind of the way that investment works? It is the way that investment works and I think what I've come to realize is like, yes it's a really big financial story but it's also a story that determines sort of what companies live and which ones fail and when and why they are pushed to develop technology in a way that maybe isn't in the best interest of the company or even the users or the employees, right? A lot of that is because of this mechanism and the way that they get funded by venture capital and they have to grow and they have to get bought by an Adobe type thing and the, when we talk about competition in the tech space it's this double-edged sword because of course investors want a lot of different companies to exist and a lot of technologies to exist but they also want them to get acquired by a bigger monopoly because that's a payout. So it's become this interesting fabric, I think, of the way that these tech companies develop and then to answer your actual question in terms of whether the employees ever get the breakup fee, like hell no, I mean maybe Figma could do the right thing by its employees and give out some very big bonuses. Yeah, but when you hear about the breakup fee it's not going to the people who have built this company that now is no longer getting acquired. Absolutely not. And in this case it's a free billion dollars for Figma to keep growing and it's a double kind of, like now Figma doesn't need to take on any more venture capital so nobody's going to be able to invest in this super hot company and get equity in it because they just got a free billion bucks from Adobe. Yeah, I wonder what this also means for the employees who do stick around, who are there. How does this change the environment for them? When you were that close to being acquired by probably the cream of the crop company that you would want to make your money that you've been waiting for and now that didn't happen. Do you settle? Do you continue? How does that impact the day to day at Figma going forward? I'm super curious to see that. I know, I'm curious too. I mean I would think that you would in some ways be excited. I know that a lot of employees and a ton of users were not excited about this. Right, we don't want to get absorbed into the machine. We want to continue to build cool products. Like the story of every company that gets acquired is that they get kind of starved of resources because they're part of a larger machine. So the people who really care about the mission are probably like, yay, we get to keep building cool stuff but also I was about to become, like for a lot of these employees, this was such a huge acquisition that a big, big, big number of them were about to become seven figure people and now they are not. And it's a- Not right away. Just straight up not. Not now. And maybe not ever. Maybe later. And maybe not ever because the window where you could just get bought by your competition for $20 billion has closed. That is over now. And so yeah, like it depends on where you're gonna go. They may indeed get a great payout when and if this company goes public or gets acquired by somebody else but it'll be a lot longer and it'll probably be smaller. And you pointed out to me when we were chatting over a text message that this changes, and you touched on it a little bit earlier, this changes what kind of companies might get funded if the possibility for these kinds of exits is now closed off. And you know, their venture capital, yes, it's tempting to go like, oh, boo-hoo, poor venture capitalists didn't get their payday but it also means they'll be more conservative in what kinds of companies they invest in. Which could be good or bad. I'm not saying it's one or the other but it's certainly gonna change it. Yeah, maybe we don't get, you know another kind of patently stupid crypto bubble where everybody could see that too much money was going into that. But it does, it's a big landscape change. And I think it does, we will start to see in 10 years we'll look back and go, oh, this is, it's hard to prove it negative. It will be hard to say, oh, these technologies didn't get funded or these companies didn't exist. Yeah, because they never got funded. Right, because they never got funded. Most likely we will start to see possibly some more responsible behavior, right? Not such big checks, not such huge distortions but what's most taking. It sounds like what you're saying is we might have fewer disruptive ideas succeed but we will have possibly more solid businesses out of this. Exactly, because the new benchmark is going to be can you make it as a business without getting acquired? And that's actually a good thing and it's a good thing for people who want to build something enduring and not just get rich really fast. Yeah. Well, I think the best way to get rich really fast is to be Len Peralta and make amazing art that everyone looks at it goes immediately. Oh my gosh, that art is too good. I have to commission Len right away. Right, Len? Absolutely true. As you can see behind Jason right there too. He's got my art right behind him as well. You know, and it's interesting if you don't mind me taking two seconds because this is a happy holidays art from TNT probably like 10, 12 years ago. I don't know when, but yeah, totally. Len, I love your art. Well, in that vein of Christmas. For IA's. I think you had a very, very sad for IA's in that image. You know, I'm not saying that Santa Claus had anything to do with some of the announcements today. He probably didn't have anything to do with the Adobe Figma deal. But this is, I gotta say it's been, this is quite a Christmas present. You've got the Discovery thing on Sony. You've got the Galaxy AI coming January 17th and of course, the Figma deal, which it looks like in this picture that Santa is sort of poofing it away with his finger. That bastard's just kidding. Exactly, just kidding. This is the actual holiday image for this year. Happy holidays to everybody. This is available right now at Patreon. Patreon.com forward slash Len, if you're a DTNS lover level, you get this immediately back me at the $5 level. Or you can just go the old fashioned route, go to my online store, order something from me. Maybe a last minute Christmas gift. I can't guarantee it'll be there before Christmas, but you can still commission me and happy holidays, merry Christmas to everybody. Guaranteed by Epiphany. Exactly. Well, it is a fun pre-holiday show, not least in part because Molly Wood is here with us. Molly let folks know where they can keep up with your latest. You are the absolute best. I have just finished my first year of everybody in the pool, the podcast about climate solutions. You can find it in any podcast player or at everybodyinthepool.com. I did a clip show and I love it. Jason Howell also with us, wearing a very dapper hat. I must say. Jason, you are now part of Android Faithful. We're so happy to have you back in the fam. Let's folks know where else they can keep up with your latest. I'm so happy to be back in the fam and to be doing Android Faithful. So I have a newsletter. It is free, freejasonnewsletter.com. The reason I set this up is because I'm figuring out what my business is now that I'm an independent podcaster. And so if you subscribe to this newsletter as the URL says it's free, then as I know more about all the things I'm working on, I guarantee I will keep you updated there and then you can support me in all the different places that I end up and that's coming soon. More details to come. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited about that, Jason. Good stuff. I'm super excited. Go check it out. Veronica Belmont, thank you for being with us. Tell us what you are up to these days. Yeah, thank you so much for bringing me on as a Adobe Figma subject matter expert. Love sharing my opinions on that. You can find me as always at Veronica on most of the things. But yeah, great to see you all. It was a wonderful, wonderful podcast. Oh my goodness. Surprise! What just happened? I know my mind blew into pieces under this hat. Also, hey, A-Holes. Way to trick me into talking about Adobe Figma with Veronica in the background. Like, cool, super cool, super cool. That's hilarious. Veronica, how about this? Are you even allowed to talk about it, Veronica? I would pick not. I have no official opinion. Yeah, I haven't talked to them for a year and a half. I just know. I was pretty actually bummed, honestly. Like, I know I'm coming a little bit late into the game, but people at Adobe internally were very excited about the deal. So I know it was a bit of a heartbreak for a lot of them. A lot of people worked really hard on it. Personally, I think it should have gone through, but I have a ton of bias there. So probably not the best person to ask. All right. Well, don't forget, folks, next week we have our holiday specials. Monday, we're off, but Tuesday is our listener co-host show. Wednesday, our best of DTNS and GDI. And Joe did a stellar job. You're not going to want to miss that. Thursday, we look at our predictions from last year and see how we did. Friday, we make our predictions for 2024. Monday, January 1st, we're off and then back with regular live shows and a celebration of our 10th anniversary on January 2nd. And don't forget, Rob Dunwood will be helping you keep up to date on Daily Tech headlines in the DTNS feed Tuesday through Friday next week as well. Patrons, stick around. Veronica's going to hang out with us some more on Good Day Internet. It's our final GDI debate for 2023 as we tackle the most perplexing questions of the year. All right, so as Tom mentioned, this is our last live show for 2023, but we will stream our holiday specials at the usual live showtime on Twitch and YouTube for PM Eastern, 2100 UTC. Find out more at DailyTechNewShow.com slash live starting on Tuesday, December 26th with our listener co-host show. 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