 Thank you for staying with us. You're still on to the breakfast on POS TV Africa It's time to see what the national dailies are saying this morning and joining us to review the papers is Chris Candy one do as a member of the Chatted Institute of Abritrators in the UK But he's joining us here from Lagos State. Good morning sir. Happy New Year and welcome to the program. Morning sir Yes, happy new year to you. Thank you for joining us Okay, so today we're going to be starting with the Guardian and I mean, we're just talking about this even We're making a joke about this before we came on and it says the major headline here says EFCC quizzes and battled edu Others as anti-graphed or parole heightens. So we know about the 585 million that was transferred to an individual account by beta edu or the Ministry of Humanitarian Affairs But now EFCC is you know quizzing them, which is what we expect but We're going to see anything from this because I think this ministry has has a and has an Anticidents especially with the last minister that I was there. There were some monies that way Siphoned and diverted and now we're seeing a new minister again. Who's the youngest minister here? Still also sending money. We don't know what the money is for. We've heard that, you know It followed due process and everything, but it was being sent to an individual account Now all of this is this going to be something that might be swept on that the carpet Are they going to just you know, do dig bass booths and let's see. Let's see what's going on Let's make noise and before you know it is being swept under the carpet just like the former minister First and foremost, let me state that I am not surprised with what is going on This is what we've been saying in the past few months and years since the creation of the Humanitarian Affairs Ministry and some of us have been saying that that ministry is just a conduit pipe to Steal money and when they started with the so-called distribution of cash Transfer, what do they call it to some so-called Bonneville Nigerians without proper data to show for it I knew that there was a scam and we cried out to Dwendee What is the government that this is just a scam that nobody listened and so the chicken is just coming home to roast now and it's on Because of the fact that if you look at the people involved, the three trajetors in this are just three women and there are three women Sadia, the woman at hipster and also Betelgeuse and most of them that are not for those of us that have always cried out to say that women have been nationalized in governance and that is need to keep women more prominent role in government Need to me is I'm sure you're laughing my sister This is very good Yes this is a table record Then the third one is also the fact that we have always been the strangers and asking for more power whatever some level of Governance leadership being given to the younger ones that the older generation that monopolize the political system and leadership system and We remember that is what would fall for the not too young to go on or whatever Yes Now we have a minister who is the youngest in the cabinet just 36 36 is just when some people are looking for their post job as Gadget and some of them have graduated up like Somebody has received a position of a minister in one of the top most What were the juicy ministry in the federal cabinet as we see what is happening? So it is quite annoying and disappointing, but I have to commend I have to commend the president of the federal public of men that you who seems to be surprising a lot of people because Some of these things happen in the last regime Why I style of governance you can cry from me you can cry the whole bad bitch Because if you know what he would not even do anything. Yes But this president has show capacity for leadership For some people that are so skeptical about his ability to be able to lead and leadership But you come to see that this is a listening president that seems to fill the Pause of the people and they act and acts as quickly as possible that your question is now that the investigation is on and then the The so-called Transparency It is not for us to see whether this probe will still go the same way the others before it because the Very pessimistic when it comes to issues like this because they believe that the time and time again that such standards came up We made all the noise in one week. He died and we know when I see nothing happen I hope that it will not go the same way today. The minister will be facing the EFCC From that we'll get you know, but let me quickly add this Not only the years the EFCC for me also have a person to answer it because if you look at this way You know that there is this This law at the banking within the banking system that you are trans Translating more than 10 million Naira to a back and count that it back supposed to modify EFCC Yeah I'm saying is it that the EFCC was not aware that such transfer has been done Did the bank notify the graph agency of such transfer on The banks involved so it's not just about Betty I do now, but also all the apparatus and Now the reports coming in also just Running up on this is that between in the past three years or three that the ICPC or some numbers It also have been able to Meet the bill about 32 billion Naira. That was the illegally transferred So it is a big job of this thing, but who do you know the person have studied and he has even given some level of directive that the supervising minister the economy should not take a positive Rule in the office of that industry and try to reorganize But as far as I'm concerned, I'm totally disappointed with Betty I do and what she has done so far Yeah, I am a woman and I would not lie I am also quite disappointed because we've seen the likes of these Yanni We've seen the likes of Sadia. We've seen these people actually come in and you're expecting so much from them because we've it's been It's been a saying that women are not sure is and when a woman, you know Hold the affairs of a nation. They're able to not sure not sure the country and you know Make sure that things are going well So when you now see these women that you're expecting so much from go there and make a mess of it But it's quite it's quite it's quite disappointing Was Yes, it's still very bad for money's government money's to be paid to individual account but we're looking at these crimes individually and According to their weight as far as I'm concerned even though she ends up being sucked as the minister But what was the level of hate crime with the level of the other crime? My problem is the 44 billion. We're not talking much about it anymore We're talking about the the five hundred and something million What I'm even trying to highlight is the fact that we've seen women come into These positions and you expect so much from them because they're saying you need to give women a seat at the table We're fighting for equality feminism as we'd like to say and so when they give you that opportunity What do you do with it? You make a mess of it what that does you you're and you're making sure that people don't even get the opportunity anymore because there's Already a stigma to be that all women come and then they do they do what men can do if men have been stealing Well, just be sure that women will still better women are going to like still bullion vans of things So that is quite disappointing and like like, you know, you've rightly said let's just give better the Benefit of the doubt and let's just hope that her crime is not, you know, trying to siphon money out Maybe there was just the mistake. That's the benefit of it out. We can't give but In fact, you cannot do that you cannot do because she's she's she's going to the the EFCC office today So I think this is a developing story that will we get to know more of in the few in a few days Okay, so yeah Blame For delay in sharing to the boost palliative. Just what is your take on that? And the woman That's what is happening here the rapist blame agriculture, yeah Yeah, the same thing also, you know, is the same level of corruption because everything is brought down to corruption The system is so corrupt that you don't even know where to start from Don't forget that the federal government really starting funds to state. I think about five billion each to each state For palliatives by actual self. How many of the states are able to just to put this back to the situation? I just came back from the village for the Christmas and the year and I'll tell you that in the My entire local government I never saw any single palliative either rice beans, curry or whatever it is That was given to any single individual and I asked myself Was the palliative not given to the people of famous state as they were given The state I said I continue to say the only state that seems to have a resemblance of what is needs to be done Is bonus state where the government has been very very effective to make sure that those palliatives Gives to all the ordinary boost As it were So I remember also a member of the house of representatives They came out to say that each of them were given Was it four trucks or four trailers of rent out rice or whatever In a very very video that was really better. I think that was also with people in certain quarters But the fact is that all these are scared and He still They tell me to the issue of the ministeria have yet the most annoying part is is that This morning it was morning men for the money in the society Morning made for the poorest of the poor Now the rich are the one now stealing the same money that was made for the poor and In the past three four years it is it has been You know, it's not an indication. Look at the budget cycle that the ministry of Ministers and peers have gotten a budget of about 2.1 trillion naira We're building mass and see how much has been pushed into that But most of that money is in individual pocket. So The issue of palliative is not working I personally would feel that the minister of my city should be scrapped totally. That is my personal opinion That ministry should be scrapped. It is not working. There's other ways and better ways of Making sure that some of these palliatives get to my experience better better And you know what the the government have tried to do is try to base on their source Within it's believing that women have the capacity to be able to reach out their fellow human beings and That is why that ministry says it was established Have the all the heads the minister that the women no single man have been the minister of monitoring our fears So, uh, it's quite unfortunate. But that is how we roll. Um, I still I still and I'm still saying that This must be good through the because you know, as you said Remember the the the corruption scandal that involved the Auditor General of Nigeria That is one that's two over one hundred and seventy billion He was we saw in you the Back and forth that happened it was a effort by EFCC blah blah blah the end of it. Oh, yeah, that was a big bargain And he wasn't be returned 41 billion or there about the rest of the 60 something billion is in man's Personal pocket. I was on the TV program few days ago. Once somebody calling us say that You know that that man has been giving a chieftain city to me somewhere in He was to burn and rest of that. That is what There you remember the one that happened at mddc the proof of the mdc And uh, the Of the microphone of the mic We saw what happened to at the end of it on not to have the proof of the power sector Where billions and billions of Naira were some what happened at the end of it? Nothing, but recently the former minister of power I don't know. Yeah, was arrested and then accused of um allegedly siphoning and And there's these billions and billions of Naira. What happened other few days? He was released on administrative pay. Sure It is just after two three days within the media watch it by next week You know Nigeria is one One sexual one sectional Sessionals the story after the order after this one after this week this one. We died down next week We'll take up one and that is how we wrote and even we the media because I'm a journalist We the media also just take off our eyes of this Of this, um, uh, scandals and just let it go after the initial frenzy to be rest assured that from next week We start having all their headlines on the four pages of newspapers on television stations like yours News items and rest of them. We're going back to ask the relevant questions that how did these go and we will assume nothing All right, let's move on to the power sector Here there's a small headline here that says any rc cancels discos license over 110 million Naira debt appoints 110 billion Naira debt appoints sole administrators It's just talking about the Kaduna Disco and they've been able to dissolve the board of directors and they've appointed someone who's supposed to run The day-to-day affairs of the disco um Are we are we going into privatization? Because that's that's what I'm asking Our power sector is I don't want to say nothing to write home about but The light is improving we can say that but it's still not where we need to be Should we be looking at privatization if you know the board of directors can actually be Dissolved the board can be dissolved and then they put someone there who's supposed to be the chief executive officer Shouldn't that be something that we should explore? That sector of the power sector has been privatized, of course It has been privatized. You know that and really go. Um, we're gonna turn the But the government still has a hand in it sort of Yes, yes the government having a hand as long as the majority shahodas in you know, we have um, they are very uh Different arms to that that's issue of generation The generation is practically being done by the government. I think that the genkos Then there's the the distribution the distribution part is where the privacy is talking and that is why you have you know, you have your electric Yes, you have Where you are is a a scope electric where I am is it a electric you have the denier electric You have the kaduna you have the abuja It is privatization because individuals and companies bought bought bought over those these things But the problem was that and the problem is is that most of them that bought it They have the capacity to be able to Handle those sectors and that has really been problem They were not able to it came in and wouldn't push enough money into the system to be able to expand On that that is one of the them on the generation You know that generous I said that's generation and that's transmitting What the also problem is that we are generating at least a little higher down We are we are distributed because the transmission lines cannot be able to take as much as The uh, the genkos are generating and that is where they cannot take because if you are generating about six, uh, six thousand kilowatts And the transmission lines that only take five. What this is that you're losing over one thousand because you cannot push all that Six to that because it will not be done So by now I thought that would have people expand In the area of transmission If you are able to do that so that we can be able to take as much as possible From the generation that's the reason and that is where the problem is and because some of the news I've read Is that not of even the Uh, these schools are not ready to take as much possible to buy because they buy off They buy off what is being generated and distribute and collect money from the final users like you and I I know that some of them run into problems. I think that was a good job of the existing cardinal Part issue at the point and they're not going to pay back the money they bill for one of the banks Which I'm not going to mention the bank took over. I know that one of major banks that they have took over Won't be one of the companies. I don't know that Well So that's obviously the reason why Exactly, but you also have to ask yourself this question If they also have done the what they ought to do I'm making sure that every house is missed out Maybe they would have been able to generate some of the income But it's most of them depends solely on this What we call it now Estimated when you are not in touch Yes, estimated bill is because they feel that they get money But because of doing that they are using so much that is the second one The third part is that so many there are so many stolen and I use it was stolen Put and don't put stolen power a lot of Nigerians Don't they don't pay their bills Illegally just put on there But that is why you go to some houses See the fact that despite some people have meters You see that the air condition is connected directly And it's not even on the meters. So energy Stolen energy is also a problem So we need to have a listed move at the power sector and look at where the problem is coming And see how it can be seen But the most annoying part is that we are not generating and spending more than 5,000 In a country of the country I think it's a little bit Whenever you say privatization everybody thinks about what has happened in the telecom It's working in the telecom and if it is not working in the power must we continue Because if it's not working there's no there's no need privatizing it if it is not working Then some other things should be done That the way to go is privatization I think it's privatization But it's not even privatizing No privatization because The fact that the government still has a hand How do you get people who do not even have the expertise who do not have the means to make it work By the stage That's what I'm saying If the government is taking this hand off Of the people That tries everything Unless people that have to go where they want to go To come and do it And what is the way they will do Just as you rightly mentioned my brother You saw what happened in the teleconcept When we knew this we used to go to NITEL To make calls But when the GSM companies came in You saw what happened Even if you are even talking about What happened to the audio sector You forgot that the government said That it removed its hand On the issue of petroleum That it is now free for all you can make At the end of the future And say that it is taking the price Of petroleum It has removed subsidy And you say that you have privatized That sector If you privatize it For the oil marketers And what about to not determine the cost of petroleum Instead of you So that is the That is the sub-massor Global sub-massor Sub-massor that we see in the country Is taking from both sides of its market At the end of the future But what we are doing is that We are doing about 5,000 megawatt That is where We are doing about 40,000, 50,000 You can see that we have not started at all We have not even been there And I continue to ask what is the problem That we cannot be able to solve in the puzzle Over after over 60 years Of Nigeria independence What is so special about One of the minister came one time There were some niches Within that sector Which is Somebody came One of the ministers He came to put some kind of measures He was killed So there must be until the government How the political will be able to resolve The problem of power And every Economic development within our system Is tied to power So the issue of power The economic growth The SMEs The SMEs have died Now Big companies are moving out of Nigeria Because of the issue of power The ease of doing business is not there You go and see how much Later Of Brazil is being sold And at the end of the future Of course, the business in Nigeria does not make any sense Whether we can Or even In Nigeria Alright, let's look at The daily trust Since government Is the only one seeing The good works of Mela Kari Because Nigerians And the advertising The broad photograph Of Mela Kari And the one from Tomfolo as well Yes, it's saying that He has done a fantastic job I don't know Are you also Well, wish him happy birthday But Newspapers not even having headlines Today and just putting The picture of Mela Kari I don't know how that is From daily trust to the nation To the party It's Psychopathy and patronage Psychopathy and patronage Psychopathy and patronage If you are in Tomfolo's Position to do the same We are giving contracts of billions and billions Of Naira And the federal government To mend the part lines And also the guy also I thought he would buy The whole newspaper Not even from pages So that would not even see the mass But Patronage I don't say anything He's the one saying what he has seen Mela Kari Most people believe that Mela Kari I don't believe he's performing Left to me I personally would have thought that Mela Kari Would have sucked just like so many other CEOs For me he has been a problem Within the audio sector If we can move The kind of problem we're having now As I said I just came back from And I know how much I spent on fuel To fuel my vehicle From the east To this I don't even want to mention it So the petroleum sector All these area and gas sector To me doesn't seem to be working And we are talking of In terms of the Minister of Monetary and Affairs The day we throw the satellite on NNPs The day the government Have the power To throw the satellite on NNPs A minister of Petroleum Affairs This government We collapse, I will tell you So many people that have their fingers We have their fingers gone I don't know why we're not throwing the satellite We don't wonder Where are the ministers And the factory How do you throw the light on the petroleum sector Where the presidents are the ministers You know Where he was a minister of petroleum And the present president We don't find any minister of petroleum Apart from himself So how do you throw the satellite on them That is what I'm saying I said we have the They have the policy we created to do that What is happening within this So much Because as you said Is it the same petroleum ministry That they have in Saudi Arabia They have in Qatar They have in certain other countries They go to Dubai Dubai doesn't have much of people But they go to the level of Development in that country They go to Saudi Arabia They go to so many other countries Our fellow OPEC OPEC Venezuela And other corrupt countries If you understand what I mean We look at the major countries That are in OPEC And go to the level of development And complete that If there is any of them That produces crude oil Export crude oil and import From the world Within the system For every single liter Of oil that is imported into Nigeria We are having a court And this government Is trying to do something meaningful By making sure That they are reviving the Refiners In a few days We start production And then MPC Especially Is mind boggling If we start opening that sector Well even the World Bank has said That MPC is not being transparent So yeah Let's move over to some security matters In Daily Trust It says Bandits return to Kaduna Abuja Highway Abduct 30 Minutes I think I'm quite tired Of This whole banditry We're seeing things like this happen People are making Distress calls when Terrorists even come into their villages And like now The highway is being blocked And people are being abducted Your life is not even safe Here in Nigeria And the government is not even Doing anything Or maybe they are But we're not even seeing anything That's tangible that they're doing Please I want to know your thoughts on this The fact that Bandits have returned And so it's not the first time For the headline to say return to Kaduna I think there was a time they actually abducted people on the train Now they're on the highway And they've been able to abduct 30 people They blocked the road for a whole 45 minutes Nothing was being done Nobody came to their rescue They were being abducted So please I want to know your thoughts on this You know I said the issue I said something about the issue of One way, one headline Have you forgotten what happened in Pato State? Do you know now that you forgot what happened in Pato State? And then Kaduna And Kaduna too We forgot about it The massacre that happened there Nobody had probed What happened No arrests had been made of That was put in that massacre In Pato State and Kaduna Now we're moving to the next one That Bandits have returned Is it today that they're returning? Not only to us Kaduna Even the Abudia Lokoja Express Bandits have returned And they're kidnapping them These are the ones that were reported For every single report you have Of abdication of human business Bandit 50% or even 90% Were reported So at the point Kaduna Abudia As it became a no-go area Which was why the government In Switzerland tried to revive the Kaduna Abudia Railway system So that people Can't find their way Through the road But what happened Within some months the Abudia Kaduna Railway Really was attacked And I don't know if they've resumed Operations Or if they're going to give them away Yes, because for a long time they wanted to Revive it and some security issues Were going to put some drones on the way And the rest of them But the fact is that Bandits have returned to Dallas And it's a very, very popular route That is making the FCT And some other parts of So I hope we can release The IGP Is aware of what has happened The chief of any staff And all the secretaries Are aware now That the newspapers are reporting that these guys are bad And something will be done Because it took a long time For everyone to clear that as is And stop them from what they're doing But it seems that we have dropped the ball And we've wound our eyes from that highway And these bandits and criminals Have taken advantage of the situation And now are back And I will still say this time and time again You see most of our security If you drive from Lagos To Shagamon, to Benin To Anistru, as about 21 nation And you see the number of police Very annoying, see the number of police checkpoints On this route And continue to ask yourself What are these policemen doing Because we continue to see The level of insecurity on that route And how people are being picked You see them collecting money Yes 200 Naira Not only from Transport companies Even private And even the worst part of it That the military have joined You see in military checkpoints Man by soldiers and I'm saying this With a sense of humility That you see military checkpoints But in those days we can never see A military man try to collect But you see them on that And I told you I went to that Almost about 12 hours drive From my state of in Lagos And I saw even military checkpoints Where the military were collecting money From transporters and from Individuals Because when you do that Some of the people you think you are collecting money Could be criminals Some of the people that I do Might be kidnapped victims Somebody might give it 200 Naira So I think that And the most annoying part is that Every successful IGP that comes The first thing he says is that No moral block No moral block The second one is that I am going to remove policemen from VIPs and rest of them after one week That is the end of this thing Exactly, they are back to their The level of insecurity I still try this again to corruption If we are able to tackle the issue Of corruption, the most of this The fact is that this issue Is being raised now Abuja expressway Is expressing a lot of Punditry and kidnapping And I hope that our security agency Will know The police yesterday started the recruitment Of another 30,000 policemen Into the system And I hope that by then we will recruit About 30 more persons That might to a large extent To aid the level of insecurity But that is still short For having close to about Just about 400,000 policemen Policing over 200 million Nigeria Don't forget The last marion of the police Is internal security So that the military had nothing By the constitution By the provisions of the Military constitution The military had nothing to do with Internal security And protected Nigeria Or the country from external aggression But because the police are finding Difficult people to cope with Because of their number and rest of them That is why you have the military in the mix And most of them are also becoming Part of the security system Part of the education And part of the problem that we are having And that is why we said There is a need for us to take the photo To the state policing So what I am taking of them Is helping With our Security We have so much security Across the land So there was something There's a joke I usually make with my brother And I told him, I said If you are being kidnapped in an SUV A very fine SUV Guess what, nobody will find you Because the police people They would take bribe From smaller cars Like a big car They would just take the money from you They never search, they never check So if you are at the back of the truck Nobody will find you And that is where our security system has gotten Now, another question I want to ask The fact that the government Is not tackling this insecurity This banditry and all of that Do you think it gives them more power For them to be able to operate? The government is tackling The insecurity You have to say, are they doing as much as they ought to do? They have gone Are the days where you just think that By issuing a gun or using A jet To bomb All over the world Governments invest in Intelligence Intelligence gantry has become A part of security Intelligence gantry is able to give The necessary information And for you to gather intelligence information You also have to build some level of trust That must be a trust Between you and the people Because you cannot be everywhere It is the people that will give The security agencies information Because these criminals live among us Our people know them They don't go from the sky They know where they are Part of the problem is what I call The trust deficit Between the citizens and the security agencies Because they believe that when they give The necessary information That information will trace back to you And those people that you reported Will also come back and be able to help you So we need to build a high level of trust There must be a high level of trust Between the citizens and the security agencies So that people can be able to volunteer And have said time this time and time again If you go to advance, let's say for London If you go to supporter of London Make some suburb and rest of them And you are working fast And somebody, you be sure that If you are looking at this When this is not permitted in my area The next thing she will do is to call the police There is somebody I am seeing here I don't know the details Police weighs down And they will do something checks And you can never know that Is that the 78-year-old woman That was sitting at the window That was able to alert the police That information cannot be traced to her So there is that kind of confidence For them to release information So that people report to the security agencies And when you go to the station The person that you reported You are standing there and pointing at you You go and see when you see And that cannot be done So people go and report to the police They will arrest you Then we say If you see a dead body You go and report to the police They will arrest you and say I am the whole killer Even though that helps again If you see somebody being attacked You don't even know whether If you give the person a right Whether the person is a victim Or part of the system Or whether at the end of the day The police is going to arrest you So that is what I am talking about They trust the decision They go and shoot Ask yourself How many times have you called the police station That there is a robbery attack Because they don't have the They don't feel the call Tell you to feel the call I just hope that this recruitment That is being done That during the due diligence So that they don't get to employ Or recruit people who are already bandits Who are looking for a cheap gun To use and do all their nefarious activities I do hope that they will do All their background checks I am worried because we don't have data in this country Intelligence is poor And everything So how do they find out That these people are not already members Of Boko Haram or bandits Of some sort and all that And they are just employing them Well let's hope that this is how it is going to end Something you also touched on Which was a trust deficit I remember when I was much younger When the TV comes on in the evening You see most wanted Like their faces Their pictures of people And information about them you can call But now you don't even see that And even if someone was on my TV screen As most wanted I'm not sure I want to call Because I'm scared that something might happen To me So yeah I agree We need to be able to start to trust There should be that trust between the government The security agencies And the people And that way we can all fight this insecurity Together yes But this is where we wrap it up on this segment Thank you so much Mr Chris Thank you very much We do what this says in Jesus' name Amen to that We are waiting for our father All the things we bring to the south Yes No worries Alright thank you so much Alright we've been speaking with Chris Cain de Wando And he's a member of the Chatted Institute Of Abitrators in the UK When he was joining us here Come on a quick break and when we return We'll be looking at our hot topic Stay with us