 Welcome to Toffy TV. It is the final word for Everton, two rather united, one in the FA Cup Everton, negotiating their way to the fourth round in typical Everton fashion. We are both in our dungeons for this final word due to COVID regulations. The protocols are in place for COVID for today. Not that either as I've got COVID, it's just that the protocols for today are dungeon dwelling. Listen, I don't know what we can really say on this one. We knew there were going to be changes. Obviously there's no Richard Allison, no Dominic Arvin Lewin, no Jordan Pickford. We knew he would change it up a little bit. He had obviously James Rodriguez back, Luca Dean back. The team on paper was a strong side, wasn't it? It was a team that should have dealt with Rotherham in a professional manner and yet really failed too, I thought. Obviously the changes were there when they, as you said, we knew they were going to be made. It still looked like a good enough team to go out and get through. Ultimately that's what they did. That matters really that they're in the draw for the fourth round. We've just seen loads of signs from Everton in those kinds of games and I think that's the frustration. I mean, I thought we started the game really well, the opening of 15 minutes. We were on top of them, smothering them like we should have been, got the goal, but just failed to build on it and then done that thing they're having to do a lot with is if the game's comfortable, they drop down to that level of comfort almost like this is easy and then once they lose the rhythm, they then seem to struggle to be able to get it back in. You've got it, like you said on me, maths reaction, you've got to give credit to Rotherham because they got the foot in the door and took the game to us and we just never seem to be able to wrestle control back certainly in the full 19 minutes anyway. Yeah, we started obviously well as you said, a couple of good runs from Anthony Gordon and a great ball for it from him to get Cheng Tolson in who finished really, really well and as you said one nil up and you're thinking this should be really, really easy. You should just be going out, keeping control of the ball, get another goal and just be professional and like you just said, there we wait, we just took our foot off it and it was just for me what really annoys me and this is what really annoys me of this evidence side is the inability to just keep the ball and just move the ball around. Like we're great when it's at the back, when the balls at the back and we can just pass along the back line, but we can't do that in midfield. Like that's our biggest problem is that we can't just control the game in midfield when there's a little bit of pressure on us. The minute someone puts a press on us, we just fall to bits. We pass backwards and then it goes and then it'll end up just being hoofed up the pitch or the ball will be lost and that's the biggest problem with this evidence side and it happens in all our games is that we just can't find this comfortable balance, this comfortable rhythm in the way we play. Where we just keep the ball, move it around, move the opposition round, nice little bit of movement, nice little passes, everything has to be forced, everything has to be curried up to the point where we just end up giving the ball away and it's something that I just thought was so evident in this game. And all that did was allow them to just like you just said grab the initiative and obviously they had a little bit of pace, there was a lot on their right up against Leucadine. I mean let's be honest, the kid destroyed Leucadine all game and that's what this team has got to get better at. I don't honestly think it, you know I think we've said loads of times it's about the personnel but in a game like this, you know it shouldn't be about the personnel, we had international footballers out there that can't keep the ball, just can't lay the ball off five yards and then get themselves in a bit of space to get it back and it's so frustrating to watch, I think that's the thing. You just said there, when you can see is well though, when you can see what's happening in front here and the manager can obviously see because you can hear him on the touch line but the players don't react to it, that just blows my mind when I watch other clubs, less clubs be very very comfortable do that, you know what I mean? You watch teams from the lower divisions and you know you see them playing against Premier League teams and okay they have now cut an edge. We have teams in this Premier League like the Brighton, that can be very comfortable in possession, okay they've got no cut an edge and they've got no camp of the ball on the back of the net but it frustrates me massively that this 17 can't just keep the ball. Yeah, I mean I slightly disagree with Leucadine all game. Oh he's doing bad, come on, he battered them, he destroyed them. I'm not saying that to... I'm going to disagree. All right. It's not going on with the point but I feel that I totally agree with you. I don't understand that we've got international footballers that take so long to see a pass that even when you get a ball they don't look like they're drinking so long of it. Absolutely busy at times, it's our movements as well, we'll under hit passes, we'll over hit passes but you write about the pressure I was watching this game thinking just being convinced that in training obviously our best players, the players who they're up against are obviously so slow because we always seem surprised when someone presses us quickly and that can only come from. You're not getting that test every day, do you know what I mean? Yeah. And there's got to be a way that Everton can somehow correct that in training whether it's going on buying loads of quick players or getting a team in once a week and playing against them in the middle of the week who press you quickly because we do it all the time. It's like little triangles but the minute someone puts a proper press on us we panic. Yeah. And the amount of times we hit a 60 yard ball back to our goalkeeper is unbelievable. I'll just get the under-23s drilled and play them once a week and have them press on us because it's horrific and it really highlights the lack of pace on our side and how one pace it is. I thought Andre Gomes was the biggest culprit of it and yet out in 20 minutes he looked like he was on fire. He looked like he had a tear in the face and everything but then that team disappeared. But that to me is the biggest failing of this side. I find it at time because let's be honest, this was a horrendous game of football. We were for the first 15-20 minutes we were fine but you could just see them doing that thing of going. These are not coming forward, these are not putting it long and they're not hitting the channels because Tokson can't run into the channels. And as soon as they cut out a Wobby, Hammersrods Eages and Anthony Gordon, that was it because all they had to do was press Tom Davis and Andre Gomes and that was it. There was Seamus Coleman wasn't going anywhere, Luca Dina, it was a good opportunity for a comeback for now which is what it looked like. But he never really got going at all and once you put a bit of pressure on Tom Davis they haven't got that ability to find those kind of passes that stretch teams. And it wasn't until really the core I came on that we really did start to stretch there midfield like doing what they'd done to us. Someone running up alongside Shane Tokson, someone getting up with them because at that point Anthony Gordon and a Wobby weren't really in the game. Hammersrods Eages was in flits but you could see he wasn't really up to the speed. You could tell really couldn't you, he didn't fancy it either did he, let's be honest, especially when he got it in the face with the ball. He was just like what am I doing here. And he wasn't fit so there was that as well. So it felt very much at times like it was a one big practice game to us where it's to them once they got into it. They suddenly decided well now we can do something here and obviously in the first half they had that glut of opportunities which Robin Olsson had to make three saves. I mean saves that you'd expect them to make but saves none the less a very quick succession. The whole thing just felt, Gullison felt very empty didn't he? I don't know why because it was like in the daylight it felt very empty. It just felt very very strange and we just couldn't pick ourselves up. Which happens, it sometimes happens, it's hard enough sometimes. Third round we were saying, I think funny enough we were saying in the match preview it was a bit like we were saying the league cup games early on. Teams felt like you were playing against like they weren't really bothered but to be fair in the third round, the cup, looking at the other results and some of the way the other games went. Some of the teams obviously in the lower divisions probably felt like this was their chance because Premier League teams would have a lot of games over Christmas and a few of them went for it so fair play to them. We got to our time one nil up and it felt like we'd escaped a couple of big moments without creating anything, we didn't create anything whatsoever. And then the second half came out and again it just carried on. It was no real surprise to see them get a goal. No, I'm not at all. I mean we do have this in the third round. I was watching it with Jack and we were talking about the Lincoln game last year in the third round or the year before when we got two nil up, you know, Lachwyn and Bernard and it was like at last we're going to do what we should do to these teams and then we give them a goal and then ended up scraping through 2-1. At the end when they were getting on us and that felt exactly the same with everything. You can say mentality but a lot of these players are different to the other players. So it's not even like this is the same team that we've had for five years, six years and we do the same thing every time because new players come in but it always seems the same kind of flatness and obviously fans there as well. It made it worse but yeah we got to our time, we hadn't done anything like you say. I think one save also made us really good, the one in the top corner. The other ones, you're right to expect them. I mean one of them was offside anyway but he still made a good save. You know we've done everything you'd expect them to. Fair play to them, they really did push on them and like you say felt as though playing in that game you'd be lucking going. These don't even look that bothered so there's nothing to beat it. No they were winning all the battles. Yeah and then the second half come on, you're hoping that Evan step it up a little bit. You know we'll have a go with them and they'll step it up and we didn't. They played that when he really did start to get the better of Luca Deane. He went past them a couple of times like he wasn't even there in the second half it was no surprise that he scored the goal as well because he was the best player but even the equaliser it was so sloppy but we gave the ball away. It comes in towards our box, Tom Davis does some stupid header back towards his goal and then he has the peace of mind or the presence of mind rather to follow his header, gets level with the lad and doesn't put any kind of challenge in and it just rolls back beyond them and in after that it was incredible but it was so almost like typical I suppose expecting that anyway. You know it was because it's again doing half hearts of things. You know Davis or like he's added it wrong, it's gone back towards his goal, follows you in that's exactly what you do, go and put a challenge in or go and stand up so that I can't get a shot. So he doesn't hit half hearts, ends up in the net and then it's fair game then isn't it? You're looking at it going one-one, well there's nothing stopping them. You know the lad up front, Smith I think, the big lad up front was causing us problems and I think it was only when your manager brought you any meaner on, the defence settled down. You know Godfrey was okay, came, was okay but he was getting. I to be honest I think it was the full backs you were causing us a problem. There was one in me, James doing this thing of not closing people down again in the first half and the defence, the midfield not helping the defence. It was just a bit of a little bit frustrating but I think when he put the core on and getting me in it, it did kind of turn the game back in our favour. Not conventionally but it did kind of give us a bit more control and he had to take the two wide players off who were thought did themselves no favour side and Anthony Gordon had a great opening 12 minutes and then disappeared and looks looked like he didn't know what he was doing after time and Wobie was in and out without really doing anything. He didn't really get beyond this man and the times he did, this crossing was shocking. So both players were subbed and rightly so but it was like I said, for me it was only when the core in me and it came on that we actually looked like we wrestled a bit of control back in the game. Yeah they definitely settled it down, they definitely got a grip on what we were doing and the core I just got up, wasn't letting them have anything in midfield, was running past them, started causing them trouble and me and it was dealing with everything in the air. I mean obviously they brought George Haston as well and he looked quite decent in the air as well. I've got a decent spring but we dealt with that once me and it was in. There's a lot of little things like you just said there, Sheamus hasn't played a lot of football, Dean first game back. Even though Wobie was out for a game, Hermes is being out, Chentoson up front, the make-up of the midfield. Again it illustrated, I just thought the whole game illustrated how important it is that we have to get somebody. We said this when we had Ghana or certainly after Ghana had left about how Ghana was so important that we needed to have a back-up Ghana. Now I feel like it's the same with the Corey. I feel like the Corey is so important that we need to have a back-up for him. Someone who can play alongside him but also someone, I don't know who the Corey is, he's ended up playing in our way and he hasn't started the game to give him some rest and he's ended up playing in our way and that's the most frustrating thing from the whole thing. That's the biggest compliment you can play to the other and that we've had to put four first team players on to get the game because they were doing so well and the other lads went but you're right here he's played an hour. We've said for a while I haven't met another player we need is an energetic midfield player in with the Corey in Allen and when you take the Corey out it just shows you. We've just said there that when he's not in that midfield there's nobody else that can do that job, nobody. No matter who we are in that squad, even the lads we've got out of them we've got a man, let's be honest, we've no clue because we've not seen him. But Delph can't do that. I mean the only one I wouldn't have brought on was Sigurds because he's not going to exactly change anything. We haven't got that make-up in midfield player and that's got to be a real priority I think on the list to go with a right back and that and other four. When you're looking to try and build the squad out it doesn't really mean this month because it will be too happy this month but moving forward if we get to the sun it's still not really done anything. You've got to go and get an energetic staying kind of stature as the core and you can go and do the bits around midfield so that it's great when we've got them but if we have to leave the core out for a game or whatever the midfield drop-off isn't huge like we see. Definitely because the minute he came on just everything about him, his pace, his stature, his physicality just can get round the pitch so much easier. Tom Davison on Jacob Holmes they just don't do anything like you know of any notes. One can sit in front of the back four and get the ball and give the ball and on Jacob Holmes you almost feel like he's in the same vein they can't get round the pitch, it's worrying out. Those two plus Sigarton, it's nothing we didn't know we knew this at the end of that season and obviously that's why we went out on both two centre midfielders but it's so obvious we need another one now to start competing whether it be someone like you know on Yongo that they bring up from the under-23 years I don't know but obviously he's not really there's no real sign of him coming to the first team or a bar from playing training with them but you'd think that someone like that would be put onto the bench obviously Ella Sims was put on the bench but we didn't see anything of him because the game was so close and that's sad as well that's what annoys me as well because you can make that many subs and we've seen a game where a bloody fella from Tau gets five minutes of football where you think that's right or wrong I know but I did see a few people from within football being very critical of that I don't know but it does seem like it was a bit of a publicity stunt I'm just saying but my point was when you've got teams who can bring on players and give them an opportunity and we've got a lad on the bench who we know Dominic Arvillun is going to be missing the walls game so we might be on the bench again but when you just think get the game one and let this like it for 10 minutes, 15 minutes you never know, we might do something and knock one in and for that that's the most annoying thing we're always bemoan in the fact that our 23 players don't get the chance because the first team players never get set it up so they get a chance because some of them are not taking their chance and that's the most frustrating thing but right at the end obviously we had a goal this allowed I mean everyone knows the simple fact is if this game had been playing at day grand that goal's a goal it's as simple as that because there's no VAR it's an absolute nonsense that again continually you allowed VAR in a game and not allowed in another game it's just absolutely nonsense in the same conversation which is just unbelievably pathetic again now I don't even know if Towsom was offside I mean if they're saying Mina was offside but Mina's got nothing to do with the goal when you looked at the lines Towsom seems to be behind the last hand and they seem to be measuring Mina on the pitch absolutely nonsense it should have been the winner and that should have been it but obviously it was this allowed and we've had to go on to extra time but coming on to extra time I did get a feeling straight away that everyone wanted to get the game sewn up as quickly as possible there just seemed to be an attitude change which would have been fantastic if it had been there for the whole game but it wasn't and obviously great ball by Hamas Rodriguez get to the core in basically the same channel Towsom had been in and he finishes it briefly and it just gives us a little bit of a breathing room but I should have wrapped it up when he hits the post unbelievably and we had one or two other opportunities around the same time but we saw the game out they didn't really have anything they had the corner actually in the last minute of normal time which I think Duncan mentioned it didn't he saying you have a bit of a heart in the mouth moment because you know you're playing a championship side you do expect a little bit better we dealt with set pieces quite well all day to be honest but we got through extra time and that again you know like a championship side they're probably going to tie it while we keep the ball but that's in extra time and I know it is extra time and plays a little bit tighter but for me that showed how you control a game how you move a team round and that's the most frustrating thing because we started that 20 minutes in and just started moving and having periods of just keeping control of the game and saying to the opposition right now and again you're going to get an opportunity but not all the time just now and again because what we're going to do is just keep the ball and not let you get going into this game the game management I've been saying this for probably 18 months to 2 years game management still from some of our players and you know these are why they are those kind of players it's so poor it's so poor to just take the sting out of the game just slow with that playing at your pace not their pace and until we get better players you can just do that you can just I think it's going to be a lot of the same for a while Yeah I mean you know we did we came out for extra time we did look like the manager had had a beard you know and said get this done over ever but maybe it was the players just you know get it done because you don't the penalties after this and all that and we did you know it was a great ball great play from Hamers great ball and a great finish from the court it's just what we want to see more of really but it's just a fact because we haven't got another one of him in the midfield he can't beat that player that breaks through a lot of times but and you've like been out to the raptor up and we had a couple of other moments where we probably should have killed the game off but you are always hanging on when it's 2-1 you know they had what a cross to the far post it's got knocked back and the lad just couldn't do anything with it so like you said they kept going but we did keep the ball better in extra time and we did move it a bit and have them chasing shadows a little bit and were able to see it out but it was disjointed which I suppose when you look back at everything all the reasons you can say maybe that was to be expected but you do expect better from Premier League footballers lad through it on good wages lad through it playing at the supposedly the highest level you expect better and we continually prove when we make changes the lad who come in simply aren't good enough maybe you can get away with Tom Davies playing in front of the back four in your normal team and he does a good job because you've got the charlots and you know Calvert living in there and maybe a lands in there and people like that and Lucas Deans are full pelt you know full pelt one of them can play in there the same when it's Andre Gomez or the same when it's Guilffy Sigurdson but when you put them all together it doesn't work we've proved that we proved it in left the end of the season it's proven it the times we've had to do it again this season is that and I guess that's not going to change until we bring better players in to make the squad better these lads who've had the chance of being here a few years aren't good enough simple as some are but some aren't and when you put them together it doesn't work like I say in their own right they're probably decent footballers but they just don't knit together and what we see is what we see which is you know when teams clean getting our face and got our best team we struggle we struggle with it when it ends up the amount that's actually passed the ball back from our own half to our goalkeeper the weekend was just unbelievable there was one in the second half we were five, six, seven yards in there and we passed it all the way back because someone put the pressure on us and there was a passing side to which would have took us forward and it's that kind of thing I understand that at 1-0 in the last seconds you don't want to make any risk but you can't do that right the way through and I think that's what will be better and sadly the lads who are coming in aren't going to get any better they're all of the ages so you know positive lucker yn cwnchur I thought right when he come on he was positive he wasn't great don't get me wrong he wasn't amazing but I thought he was positive on the ball and he did try to get forward in fact there was one where he picked the ball off in the goalkeeper and if Towson would have just given me back he was in at the keeper and Towson hit it wide and I think it was just after the weekend on 2-1 up he had a chance to really put it to bed and sent Towson just slide him back in and he's in on goal there and just little things like that that was probably the biggest positive the fact I've seen in cwnchur for a little bit in seeing that he was you know he is a decent footballer he's still got something to learn but but we won at the end of the day we've seen teams like Leeds go out and you know things like that yesterday and you've just got to be grateful that we were in the next hand and hopefully we get a decent draw again and you know well now we were playing in the fourth and the fifth man they were successful so tonight which is a bit mad but it is annoying because especially scoring that early as well you just think you know put these showed them the respect they deserve and put them to bed early doors and then you can bring Ella Sims on for 20 minutes and give the kid a little taste you know a little work hard and you might get another little taste of this kind of thing and you can not have to put the core on but you know how the guy could come on if you need and we ended up having to put four players on over our 13 players and ended up missing out on the opportunity to see in Sims but you know Welsh has got another good workout that was a you know you couldn't do anything about the goal it was back at Crossham and yeah that's probably other than me in the core I don't really think anybody else on the goal really covered in too much glory because it was a frustrating afternoon but it's the core as you said there we're in the next stand as you said a few plays I've had another 90 minutes under the belt or 120 minutes under the belt that needed it and that will probably satisfy the manager that he's got those plays now a little bit more time and again we know there's injury problems ahead of the wall scheme and Tosian getting a goal two I mean in his eyes you know he got a couple of goals so in his eyes and one didn't stand but in fact of just the stat sharpness if he's needed as a player he'll probably feel more confident I'm not confident in the player but he'll be more confident in himself and yeah we're through to the fourth round and that's all you can that's what happens isn't it it's the cup it's the third round that's why these games are never like we were talking last week trying to remember the third round there never are any at all cos they're just like this they're just like games where you just get massively frustrated but you've got to remember as well you know it's their big day it's not our big day and we've just come off a lot of games over Christmas and there's tiredness and there's injuries and you've got to lump a team together and it doesn't always go to plan but we're through we're in the fourth round we're in the heart and that's all that really matters and we've not laying to anything we did know already know about a lot of these players so there you go we won the game no no that's all saying that's all you can we're never going to when you're changing your team unless you're putting some youngsters in and giving them a look at them you're not really going to lay in anything cos we know what the squad don't mean we've won the game and we move on and if we'd have won 5-0 we'd be sat there going on we played really well but then you'd still have people going and it was rather un so there are almost there are no wins and like you said I said to me Matthew action rather un desire of all the credit that's at the time nor os we won and they had a really good go so fair play to them and I don't mind that kid he played on the right you won't do in the old days wouldn't you in the old days he'd be playing he'd be shining by now that kid he'd be straight in Paul Wilkinson there there you go not nothing else to say really won the game we haven't got a midfielder without the corey and Alan's back in two weeks hopefully so there you go there you go that's the good thing isn't it yeah go for a check that's a positive and go for a check no controversy no controversy whatsoever there you go right that's it not nothing else to talk about with through let us know your thoughts in the comments make sure to give this video a like subscribe if you haven't already and if you want more great videos join us over on Patreon the link will be down at the bottom there you go see you later