 Good morning Hey there Betsy, how are you doing? I'm great. How are you great? I'm doing fine. Just wonderful It's a great day. We've got lots of people here Lots of people here. Um, I wonder if we have a very special person here this morning Who might that be? Well, that might be This person Right here You think they already know about the live cast? I don't know. They should Okay, let's just rewind that a bit As a Friday May 5th 8 57 a.m. One million members Okay, everyone do the wave It's very very exciting isn't that exciting Yes, and I think I think with the the guests that was going on in G2G There was someone who guessed within an hour. Oh really excellent. I can't remember who it was, but yeah Happy May 5th. Yes after May the 4th be with you Revenge of the 5th, right? Right Whoo, that is very exciting. Yes Very exciting. Oh a one's joined us. So she must have been a when you must have been just tickled pink Yeah, I mean everyone is but anyone puts so much work into it as as do all of our wiki-triers So you have Christine GSL D. Kathy Navas here from California Sandy from Appalachia I have to mags you can see isn't with us right now We're hoping she will join us later But she got up early which is four o'clock Canadian time in the morning to watch the coronation I was going to I actually I actually wore my apple watch to bed So I get a notification at 358 and it buzzed me and I thought no, I'll just watch the replay I didn't get up to watch the coronation, but she did and so she had to go back to bed apparently So I'm mentioning Appalachia for her because she's not here to do so It's Susan Mary Sleppy Christopher Yolo Who else with Donna? Jen Heather Jen, how are you doing from Georgia? John Tyner from Ireland I sent you a question John in discord I need your diss I need time to decipher some some Irish writing I was looking through some records and this person wrote down the list of all the kids But they're in Irish and some of the names are fine. I could and some of them. I can't even I can't even read the script Your man for that. Yeah. Yeah Karen Stewart Lisa Jervais Mark lemon is here and To do Mojavelyn Susie Aaron and oh and you answer the question great Okay, I was having trouble with with discord actually because before the show started Betsy had posted something in Get showed me a link in discord and it was really cool. Do you want to brag about what you did there Betsy? Oh What the video? Yeah? Oh, yes, it was a video from my recent band concert and we were playing Congo Del Fuego Nuevo So I you know dance music. Yeah, it was very cool. Yeah No problem. Someone's having blueberry biscuits in honor of Mags good Anyways, my discord was all messed up because I couldn't find it this morning. I thought oh, no, Betsy Did you take it down? Okay, so I Wonder should we start with the I'll start with the we want to give Mags a little time to jump in Hopefully she'll jump in at some point And Do the question of the week so we're stalling so we're gonna start with the profiles of the week And let me just find that page Where did I put that here? It is and I'm just Putting it over to this side to make it bigger and then I'm gonna share my screen again and Sharing my screen again sharing my screen again Okay, too many browser windows open Something a difficulty. I know all too well. Yes Where did okay Apparently close one too many browser windows. Okay, let's try this. Yes victory. Hey, hey victory Okay, so the question or the profiles of the week this week are which Pope are you most closely connected to? So I didn't know which way they were going to go I thought well, you know, they're probably gonna throw some Catholic popes in there But are they gonna do like Alexander Pope and anyone with Pope in the name or maybe from a place name that has Pope But no they stuck with just the ethnic popes Which is interesting And the headliner is Pope st. John Paul the second So It's interesting now as a as a practice in Catholic myself, of course I know I've no many of the some of some of these names, but some of these popes I don't I obviously we don't study all the popes and So there's some new there was some new information I found out But we'll start with this one this like I can say that the the way the profiles were chosen this week It starts up here and then the quality degrades fairly quickly In terms of not in terms of the profiles though, there are a few profiles that are a little scant No, I mean in the quality or the the values and Morals and stuff stuff anyways, well, you'll find out as I go we go along But anyways the first one is is actually a pope who has been canonized and made a saint and that is Pope st. John Paul the second Born in the 18th of May 1920 so his birthday is coming up shortly in Varovich a polska in Poland His parents were Carol the Tia His name his birth name was Carol the Tia itself actually Carol Joseph the Tia his mother Emilia Kazarowska And he had two siblings now I'm you I'm running the wiki tree browser extension in Safari here and So they're still they're getting ready to release this I don't know if I don't think it's released yet on the store But I have this is one of the things that I've done I did this last week and Meg didn't didn't like it But the family list on the right side But one of the things I like about the family list on the right side is because it shows the person the profiles name in The list of siblings So you can see where they fit in the family But in birth order in birth order. Yeah, I like that because you know The default view is you know, it shows the profile person and then all their brothers and sisters Sure, but unless you do unless you can see the birth of the year and you do some figuring It's hard to know whether that means of the first the last it's somewhere in the middle, right? And that ordering really is significant. It is I think you're telling a family history story It does make and it also I mean it informs, you know, they're their career choice, you know There's lots of things that the birth order Effects so yeah, when you're looking at a profile and just just reading it sort of thing Anyways, we dive we dive we diverge and we haven't even got to the first paragraph That is a stunning Wallpaper for that isn't it? Yeah Yeah, I feel like it's a painting. Yeah, and I should probably know who painted Angelico Nicolina oh for let's look into that. Let's take another one rabbit wall Uploaded by Abby Glenn It's from Fra by Fra Angelico in the Web Gallery of Art Hmm, so is that is that me not like it's a public just a public domain Sounds like it. Yeah, and it would have to be Okay used on wikitry. It looks quite nice Yes, Aaron it is what what's Aaron saying? You got it Anyways He was the 263rd pope of the Catholic Church elected in 1978 the first ever of Slavic background and the first pope from Poland So yeah quite a record break breaker in his early days Of course, he was he was known as low-leck by those close to him when he was young He was the second two sons in the youngest child born to that his parents his father was a non-commissioned army officer who died in 1941 when he was away and Something that's why he went into the seminary He Tensions even though there were tensions between Jewish and Christian communities in Poland at the time He got along well with everyone and I like this he was act He was active in football. So that was one thing about this pope and I don't know if others were but it's not always documented But he'd like to play sports Which isn't something you think of necessarily when you think of yeah, true He's sort of sitting around in Rome, you know and whatever blessing whatever they have to do or you know saying But this guy liked to play sports. So that's kind of cool And he often subbed on the Jewish team when they were short of player playing against his own Catholic team So that it makes me think of the expression be upset be sound and body mind and soul. Yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, there's there's something to be said about that, you know exercising all of those aspects Anyways, he studied philosophy language literature And even though he did his compulsory middle literary service. He refused to wield a weapon. Oh, that's interesting. I Wonder how he got away with that One thing I always admired about him is his language ability And he could speak at least nine languages fluently. Wow, and actually he's he was very famous for I mean all the popes do this The blessing especially at Easter and Christmas. They they do the blessing from From the balcony, you know where they they bless the world basically it's called there's a lot an Italian phrase for that which is Verbi Mundi or something like that. I can't remember though the exact phrase for it But they would often do that in as many languages as they could and he I think at one one point He did something like 23 languages, you know Greetings now. He didn't couldn't obviously speak fluently in all of those. Yes You enough to give the blessing and in all those like yeah something so very impressive Yeah So This is a wonderful profile the people who put this together the team Did a fantastic job So there's lots here during the Second World War. He helped he worked with a cardinal He actually went into went into the summit an underground seminary because of course It wouldn't be allowed during the war when Poland was taken over by the Germans And he helped Jews escape And then he actually had to at one point he had to flee Persecution and lived in the archbishop's residence till the end of the war at one point The profile Talks about how he Became a bishop and then a cardinal and then eventually he was elected Pope Just 33 days after Pope John Paul the first passed away And that number that pope had a very short reign. It was very unexpected that he So he took he took his predecessors name in honor of him and then did wonderful things throughout his his papacy and So he is known as a saint He would the turnaround from his death to becoming a saint was actually quick and usually there's a five-year sort of moratorium Before they begin that process. They start the process only after one year. He was a well-beloved man and Then we move on to some of the other popes Who don't have quite such a stellar career or they they have interesting careers But maybe not as much to admire sometimes Ah Mafio Barberina, so just this first name. I mean makes me worried For shadowing I know I know I'm going in with all these preconceived notions Anyway, she was born the 5th of April 1568 so we're going way back in time in Florence friends a He was the middle child of Antonio Barberini and Camilla Barbadori and 235th Pope Known as Pope urban the 8th now urban isn't a name that you hear very often There was an urban a person uncle of a friend I went to school with and his name was urban So they called him uncle urban But I've only known one person in real life who's actually used that as a first name But it was must have been more popular back then You said he was urban the 8th, right? Pope urban the 8th, so there had to be seven more before that so, you know He was patron of the arts Caravaggio Bernini and Poussin were all people he patronized and helped Further their career. He was ordained a priest 1592 Came a papalega to Henry the 4th of France Quite often us Many of these popes had political connections With rulers of various countries and some of them were actually created Pope by the by the secular ruler like the Emperor or the King sort of appointed them as opposed to where it's more traditionally done by the College of Cardinals Anyways became a cardinal in 1606 and then in 1623 became Pope For 21 years it looks like almost 21 August to a July So there we go now all these popes have a link on Wikipedia which gives you even more details So for some of them I had to go to that Wikipedia page, but this one gave a little bit What is that little diagram with pink squares underneath the first photo if you scroll down just oh that's his family tree. Oh, I see so There is There's my over here Looks like there's a connection to someone as if he had a wife and kids Did we talk about that did we it's not listed here But that's That's not unknown Anyways There's this portrait by of Caravaggio who he one of his patrons The next one just looking at his last name, you know that this isn't gonna be good Rodrigo Lancel Borja or Borja Became known as Pope Alexander the sixth Managed by the Spanish project. He was a 214th pope. So we're going in further back 1492 So he became Pope the year that Columbus sailed the ocean blue Right 1492 that is correct. Yes. I think he is my I think he's my closest. I'm gonna check that. Ah Yours yours is Leo the 10th. Oh Okay, 24 degrees. Okay. Well, I'm not the grandchild grandson of any of them. So There's no direct connection Alexander the sixth, yeah, that's that's my closest that's your closest after member of the week Fiona McMichael ah Nice nice Okay, so he was born near Valencia in Spain To Joffrey Lancel and Isabella Borja He was given a good education study law His uncle who was a cardinal was elected the Pope Pope Calixtus the third in 1455 and A steady climb up the church began a study climb for for a Rodrigo He was adopted into the family of Calixtus and so his luck He used his mother's last name, which was the uncle's last name Borja from there on And you can see how he became a priest and the bishop and then cardinal bishop Apparently he was handsome charming intelligent and competent and acquired experiences and influence and wealth Uh, and then there's examples of nepotism Which happened back then Uh, he was six. He was apparently So unfortunately, I'll have many mistresses. He had four children by one woman who he legitimized. So I guess that means he got married um And has four legitimate children Legitimate legally and we're I'm talking and then he house house had many children who were not Um or presumed he had other children that weren't legitimized Uncertain parentage, I guess and one of his child one of his sons uh succeeded him As the second archbishop of valencia. So Who knew that being a cardinal pope or in the church was a family thing that you could pass on from Uh, anyways, um, again, this is a nice, uh, nice fulsome profile that goes through all the ins and outs of the the politics and the Goings on Of which there were many Then we have Barbara Nicola Nicolo Maria Luigi Chiaramonte What a name. I know Son of uh, she shepione Maria Nicolo Nicchiaramonte and Giovanna Coronata Gini Uh And he was pope pious the seventh the 251st pope In the 1800s. So this is a little more modern um The pious the seventh and for him I had to go to the wikipedia article for a little more details Uh head of the catholic church ruler of the papal states. Let's make that a little bit larger for you Um, there's a nice paint portrait of him by thomas lorns Um, he was a monk of the order of saint benedict. So a benedictine monk um And also a well-known theologian and bishop So the benedictine monks had to take various vows Poverty and and uh chastity, of course on obedience just like um most monks and so I suspect that may have um It may have influenced him Uh, he was made a cardinal um And uh during the france revolution Uh, so that would have been a dangerous thing Uh, he was actually imprisoned by napoleon. So that's kind of an interesting fact. Maybe not cool for him at the time um, but then um He anyways, he signed the concord concordat of 1801 Guaranteeing religious freedom for catholics living in france and was president of coronation as emperor of of the french Um, he was also responsible for significant growth of the catholic church in the united states Um, because he helped to start or he established or um gave the permission to establish several new dioceses in the in america Uh, he uh, they've begun his canonization Process and there's lots of different steps. So the step he's at he's got the title servant of god Which means you're a really good person But there are different depending on what step you get or how far you get right You have various titles. So obviously the highest title is when you're declared an actual saint. Yeah use the word saint Um, people use the word saint when they talk about you. You can't use it because you're already deceased And there are um, there's blessed is sort of the the next one before and there's biat Uh, biatified or biatic, um, but anyway servant of god, I think is the first rung of the ladder and Be happy be nice to just even get that that Yeah, that would be a nice honor John de broma who was um Pope john the 11th Uh way back in time. I think this is the earliest pope we have in this in the profiles Uh, he was born about the year nine hundred and ten So we have to add his leading zero to make it a four-year did a four-digit year I see Isn't that wild that that is weird to see isn't it but he didn't live very long Uh, no, no, he only he died at 26 and he was only pope for five years and most of that unfortunately He was imprisoned for so, um His mother now. This is interesting. His mother was a roman senator So at least in the nine hundreds, um, rome Had pretty much had equal opportunity. You could have male senators and female senators and she Um pretty much ruled the city um Now it said that his father the pope's father was not was her lover Who was the pope at the time? And not actually her husband alberg the first um And it was because of her mother's influence that he became consecrated pope at the only of the age of 21 That's pretty young really Um, but his mother was also It was the de facto leader of rome at the time and and the pope He did her bidding until she was overthrown by her own son alberg the second her husband's son Well, I guess her son too, but um And then who would be if it's correct would be the half brother would be the half brother of the pope. Yes Exactly. Okay So this is an interesting, um, this quote from the source from bart Bartolomeo Latina lives of the popes Said that uh, he came to be pope when a fountain at genowa streamed blood in great quantities a seer presage Or prediction of the ensuing calamities for soon after genoa was taken and sacked by the saracens who came from africa And hungarians entered italy utterly destroying all things far near He died after he had been pope for four years 10 months 15 days So his half brother confined him to the latter end, which is a a church In rome and he eventually died there at age 25 years. So Uh got the title early, but didn't get to really enjoy it much Anyways Uh, now we have a it looks like a german. Yes a german pope Get hard dolstein herksburg son of hartfrigg von kahl um mother also Also very early very early born 1000 just over the millennium 1018 Born in swabia in the kingdom of germany part of the holy roman empire still at back then His fount his father was a count count hartwig And he was appointed bishop at 24. So that's pretty young for a bishop, I think Except of the papacy under the condition that the emperor restored all the possessions he had taken from the apostolic sea So the emperor, I guess had stolen a bunch of stuff from From the maddening that all become pope, but you have to return all the stuff you took away Oh, great. We have uh something from liza about the uh, the steps Venerable to bless it. Okay. I knew there was something I was missing and it wasn't the adder wasn't didn't didn't quite fit Venerable, thanks liza Yes um Anyways, and he died in uh, 1057 was buried in the church of santa maria rotonda at drabena Then we have moving on to bonham egassime And he was the son of hugo nordgau egassime and helvig helvig dogsburg egassime And he was known as pope saint leo the ninth. So another another saint or another pope who was um canonized uh And again, he was early early on uh born in the year 1002 died 1054 So it says his first name here is boundon, but in I guess it's anglicized as bruno here um Born in elsas In the duchy of swabia in the holy roman empire the last guy was from swabia as well. I believe right? Yeah, swabia Okay, um And His parents died while he was a bishop And then he was the bishop for 20 20 years and then elected pope 1049 taking on the the name of leo the ninth Heading the medieval latin church after the death of gregarith the sixth um So this is one where the emperor Asked him to be pope. He said he'd be a good. He'd be a good pope. So he nominated him so So he started walking towards rom in his pontifical habit So he dressed like the pope and was walking, you know, was walking to rom sort of making a pilgrimage there But he was met by a monk On the way and said that he had no right to Do to be dressed as himself as a pope because the emperor can't do can't Confer that on you. It's only the people of rom and the clergy that can do that that have that right so he was Humbled and took took off his habit and then entered as a private man wearing civilian clothes, I guess presumably Um And then but they obviously made him pope after all Good choice on his part there Interesting story Yeah, but again, he only lasted five years the pope's did not last long back then No, no, which is so different from today. What was his uh, how old was he when he died? Uh, he was 51, but he I guess he well he became pope later in life. So that's yeah, 51's probably not a bad age back then Okay, sorry. I need to try just to jump Hmm Okay Giovanni de Lorenzo Medici, you know, you couldn't do couldn't talk about popes without at least one Medici popping up Yes, people have been waiting waiting for it. Yes So the magnificent Lorenzo the magnificent the Medici Um He was the last so this is interesting. He was the last pope not to have been in priestly orders at the time of his election So he was made pope and he hadn't even been a priest Wow, I wouldn't thought that possible. Well, it is actually I mean there is some there um in the In the election process, you know people they they nominate you they nominate names But there isn't actually the criteria that they have to be or they said there's there didn't used to be and I think Even as most recent one it's not written in canon law that they have to be a priest Um, but tradition's strong. We recommend it and considering you're the head of a whole church Right, it seems silly not to have been um but um On the other hand, I guess the counter argument is that You're also head of a big, you know, big organization and having some administrative skills and whatnot and some people's skills might be also useful Yeah, so, you know possibly but anyways I digress but um Uh, this is a rather short one, but a much larger Art so he was known as pope leo the 10th and he was not canonized Yeah, oh, he's your closest greg and he's my closest over there. So I shouldn't speak ill of him. Is that what you're thinking? I don't know if I can keep that promise I'll look at your pathway. Yeah, that's right. That's right Uh, yeah, and he was born into a prominent political and banking family the medici family of florence frenzy Uh, second son and they ruled the the florentine republic at the time Um, he became a cardinal in 1489 So he would have been Well, actually, yeah, he would have been what 14. Am I reading that right 75 to 89 14 years old. Yes, correct. Uh-huh um And then he was elected pope uh following the death of pope julius the second um in 1513 So he'd be a little bit old, you know, he was a decent age then at least sort of um So greg this is fascinating. What's that? There's only there's only one break from green to yellow So it goes really really it goes from pope leo to his brother and his brother's son And that that nephew of leo married Madeleine toured over in your Oh Over in your no way. Yes, and then thereafter. It's a straight shot to you Oh my goodness. So check that out. That's okay. So we're not related. Oh, right. It's connection, right? Connection to me through marriage between his nephew. Oh my lord. Look at that. Everybody in your family. Yeah But where is the alternate view? Uh, alternate view Where did it pop up? Here it is That Wow, yeah Yes, and chris says Yes, wow, okay Okay, uncle leo Oh my goodness, wow, okay, I'm just uh, I'm a little floored here Uh, okay, um, where was I? I That is wild. Okay, um Anyways, uh This is interesting his thought so early on in life, you know before you know before he became a cardinal at age 14 Um or 13 it looks like I guess was before his birthday. Um His father gave him advice. He was worried about his character probably for good reason. Um And he he gave this advice there's one rule which I recommend to your attention and preference to all others Uh, they talk very formal back then I guess rise early in the morning This will not only contribute to your health, but will enable you to arrange and expedite the business of the day Is there a various duties incident to? So, I mean get up and start your day early, you know Before you have time to make, you know to lay around in bed and make a whole bunch of messy decisions Look he received his taunture at age of seven So I think isn't that the um, the hair Isn't the taunture the haircut where they you know, they You know, they um, let's just let's just check that out. Um The practice of cutting or shaving some of the all the hair of the skull Is a sign of devotion to him like you see like, you know, I see. Yeah, yeah Some people get that naturally, you know in the 30s and 40s I I'm lucky that I'm not one of those so Uncle leo didn't pass that on to me um So yeah from early on he was uh destined for uh clerical greatness came became a card This is crazy became a cardinal at age 13 But he wasn't allowed to to wear the cardinals outfit or or go to the cardinals college and vote or anything until he was um 16 years old It's like, you know Here's a car, but you can't drive it until you got your driver's license at 16 I mean, this is crazy. But I mean he didn't become a priest, but at least he's is this the one who didn't become a priest Well, there was someone earlier without someone earlier. Yeah, and now would this be a second person? Or is Wait a second Who's the one who didn't become a priest? It's like two or three ago. I can't oh, okay Okay, well anyways, um Anyways, that's crazy um No, he this is the one who didn't become a priest. Yeah, he was the last non priest to be elected pope. Oh, okay It is this one. Yeah, uncle leo What you doing? Um So, uh Anyways, there's a lot more there's a lot of intrigue in here and um back and forth Um, obviously with other popes and then he declared war um Part of the cruise he was involved in the crusades the protestant reformation um anyways a lot of intrigue and uh We we've already digressed enough. So maybe I should just move on We don't have bags here to keep us in check. We do not have mags here. Yeah Um, so look at liza liza learned something new about the head actually being shaved cool You might have thought that it just it just went bald because you know You know living in the shadow all the time of having the cardinals cap on it all the time, you know You know, it's like the sun The grass doesn't grow in the shade like that Uh in 1611 Benedetto Odoscalchi of also known as the savior of Hungary was born in komo Which is in lombardia the dutch which is part of the duchy of malan or was part of the duchy of malan at the time um And he became blessed pope innocently 11th So just as liza had mentioned blessed is one of the titles that you get on the route to uh sainthood So innocent has stopped at blessed but that's fine. That means it's pretty cool Um, and the wiki tree profile again is fairly short, but it does have um, it is being updated by the pope's project So presumably later on this will be more fulsome. Um And you can jump over to the wikipedia article, which is there which i've done And you can see more details about blessed innocent the 11th of rome Um Lots of tensions with uh louis couture's of france, um louis the 14th Um So lower taxes, uh, because he was he was frugal um Which is not something i bet we could say about my uncle leo back there Um, but anyways once he was elected to the papacy he applied himself to the moral and administrative reform of the roman curia He abolished sinicures um Which is the caring of a salary or that requires or involves little labor So basically you get this title you automatically get a salary for doing nothing just by virtue of having this title Um, so that seemed pretty waste wasteful and not well earned. So we got rid of that um Push for greater simplicity and preaching as well as greater reverence in the worship Requesting that of not only but of the clergy and of the faithful So Sounds like he was trying to do things to push things forward in the church. So that's nice Um and because of his diplomatic and financial support for to free hungry from the turkish domination He's still widely referred to as the savior of hungry So that's nice um Moving on we have a benedict not the current or not the most recent benedict But one of his predecessors benedict the 13th uh born in 1650 um And died in 1730 at the age of 80 And let's see what wikipedia has to say about him There's a dominican friar um another order Of monks and he focused on the religious responsibility as bishop um when because and the the pope is known as the bishop of rome so um Which means that he runs or you know, he's responsible for all the churches in rome or the area around rome And appointing priests and making sure that everything runs smoothly Along with of course being the pope the leader of the whole catholic church around the world So he took the bishop of rome part really seriously unfortunately um He appointed uh He let uh, where is it his secretary who was a cardinal Let him run the finances and that didn't work out so well because uh, the cardinal had I've used the finances and ruined the papal treasury um Which is unfortunate Um, and he's got the title of servant of god Okay, and you said he's a dominican a dominican friar. Yeah, he was right, right Okay, yeah, susan was just pointing out that dominicans are friars rather than monks. Oh, they're not actual monks. They're friars, right, okay A friar, okay Uh, I'm not sure what the distinction between friar a friar and a monk. I know I would have used the terms in uh interchange Well, it says friar here Um, but I kind of thought they were interchangeable. So maybe susan can I bet someone in the chat. No, someone will tell us what's the difference between a friar and a monk I think a friar your title would be brother Uh, as a monk would you be a you'd be a brother as a monk too I wouldn't be called a father unless you're actually ordained a priest. Yes Correct. Hmm But you could be a priest in an order like benedictings of our priests and dominicans can't be priests Friars and mendicants Ah So cloistered mean they live they live in the monastery and they don't go outside to the outside world except for special occasions mendicants Uh, I'm guessing mendicants mean they do go to the outside world mendicants Uh, oh beggars Oh Like the outside world today, wouldn't you right? They live among the people there we go Yeah, so they go out to the outside world There we go. See we're all learning whole piles of things. Look at that um so Good pope. So this is the case where you know a good pope Doing great things for the church, you know religiously But not a great administrator. So maybe a counter argument for you know That other option, but you know what? Uncle leo wasn't a good choice. It wouldn't have been a good choice there Uh, it's kind of sacrilege. So I'm referring to him as uncle leo now, isn't it? But you're related through his brother. Yeah You know, you would call him Yeah, with a few greats in there Uh, anyways pope pious the second was born as ania silvio bartolomeo piccoli piccolamini That's a cool name Ania silvio bartolomeo piccolamini Piccolamini Yeah, um And his father was also a silvio piccolamini His mother was vittoria forte gary um He was born in 1405 uh died at the age of 58 in 1464 um from sienna My sister-in-law lives in sienna. How cool is that? um So, uh, he was born in the republic of sienna. Uh, his father was a soldier um He uh His his parents had 18 children 18 Wow number of twins. So not 18 pregnancies per se, but 18 children. That's a lot Wow um So he got to travel to scotland in england. Um, and then returned to the people states where he was ordained um In 1477 later became a bishop Uh, and he was created a cardinal in 1456 by clixtus the third Um, we've talked. We've mentioned another clixtus a while back and then he was elected pope in 14 14 58 And he was pope for looks like six years Almost to the day the 19th of august to the 14th of august just shy of a six-year anniversary um And that is it Wow, i never finished, but i did It's fascinating Yeah Thank you, greg. No problem. Yeah. Well, um, i'm Uh, we're gonna move on to tip of the week and photos of the week. Um, and uh full full i'm gonna put this Disclosure disclosure upfront. Uh, this tip came from sanny sandy patak Who i think is still she was in the chat earlier. Um, yeah, and um sandy Um showed this during one of the connect-a-thon live casts And I thought it was just such a game changer. So it is Um, let's see Going to so here is one of my wiki tree profiles. I'm gonna go here. Let me make it a little Bigger, okay, so one of my one of my tutor line And uh born born in cardiff, but but very shortly after and notice he was born on christmas Very shortly after uh, his birth his family emigrated to the united states and they established themselves in vermont So I call this line my vermont tutors So as you can see I don't have Much many sources for him just uh his his death record Which actually has come confirms a lot of important details in the 1870 census Now if I go over to Let's see There's where I want to be okay. Oh and family search has okay hang on everyone Kicked me out Okay, um, if I go over to family search you see that he has 18 Sources, um, including a number of censuses. I don't have Looks like there's some town records Um records for his children in which he's mentioned So you'll see up at the top here On the right it says get all citations Now in order to um You you won't see this unless you have wiki tree b um and It has been said that um if you're using the wiki tree browser extension Um, you should disable Your other extensions related to wiki tree. Um because it might cause interference But I found and I tested this more than once that that you really do have to have wiki tree be on to see this So um next thing you would do because you're a responsible wiki treeer Who's being careful about sources is you check all 18 of these make sure that they're all valid They're all related to earnest Then you click On this you'll see a little tree It's waving in the wind in the middle And sometimes it takes A few seconds And then you get this So in this so this is all 18 sources Properly formatted with the asterix so that when you go to copy Goes into your clipboard you go back to your wiki tree um profile You edit you insert Um, I did not have a chance to go through all 18 of my of those sources So I just want to double check them. I'm not I'm not going to put them in there right now but That that is the the tip of the week and thank you sandy for for sharing that this for me I found this to be a game changer um Oh, I'm all about great No, I'm here I'm just reading up on the question of the week And I didn't want you to see that I was ignoring you. I wasn't ignoring. I heard you. That was very interesting Okay, I can um I can take two more minutes and show I would I would like to um I can show photos, but I'll also take two minutes and show what I couldn't show Last week that's an excellent. Yes, right? Right. It wasn't working and I discovered later on what I wanted to show everybody is how you get the wiki tree id over onto family search Right, and what it turned out the problem was that my login to family search was stale It had been from the night before Right, and it just it didn't tell me that I needed to re-log in it just wouldn't work So let me go back. Let me go over to um Well, first of all All right, here I am on Ernest's profile and I'll just review the first step. So down here under research. Um, I'm gonna add his Family family search Add new connection. So his family search id is lk for w for j and I'm certain connect so Now when I go back to his Twitter Oh Judy says refresh your browser tab Yeah, I could have done I always I'm afraid when I Refresh my browser tab Um, maybe I can just go back through time Back in time Yeah, okay, here I am So there now he now he's connected Excellent, um And so if I want to now Go to um remember we looked at How to yeah great go ahead when we when you do that So that makes the connection from wiki tree to family search. Is there a reciprocal connection back? And that's what I'm gonna show now. Okay. Okay. So now I am in the uh, andrew york's wiki tree family search Connection app And I've lied. Um, you just find that under the uh, the apps menu and This is once you log into family search you will get a page like this Here is earnest Then I can see it matches now. I'm going to create match Okay There we go and now I'm going to link in family search This is what I couldn't show you right right So you get this and it's actually pre at first I thought oh, I had to do something more here for this citation Um, and it's pre-formatted and back to what mag said about well wiki tree really isn't a source and that is 100 correct But with the way I guess with the way family search is configured This is the place where the wiki tree profile would go Isn't it sources right? So, um And I'm going to say that it confirms his name his sex um Is there another pop-up that you're sure you're seeing? Oh, I'm so sorry That That is what you'll see. Oh, so when you clicked on that this popped up Until just now right sorry about that everyone. No, no, that's okay. So this This where this record is found a k citation Is it's already done for you. Yeah, so all you have to do you say what's being confirmed We're going to save Now when I go back to Ernest and if you had If on that wiki tree profile you had like a find a grave citation And a baptism you could have checked those those other two boxes that you had, right? Yes, correct um Now when I got notice he's now 19 sources instead of 18 sources So when I go to the very bottom Sorry, that must have made people dizzy Okay, um It should have the wiki tree I know what i'm gonna refresh Okay, get those all to close Okay so At the bottom On week home You open it up and it'll hyperlink you right to wiki tree right there and we want to get people over to wiki tree So I think this is great. Yeah. Yeah, so like in wiki on a wiki tree profile You would probably put the like you'd usually put the link to family search in the like see also category But I don't have to do that because no, no, no, but I'm saying that but um family search They don't have like a see also. No, exactly. Oh, man says it's not really a source. It's right It's that's the logic the closest to like see also link, you know, yeah Right and and hopefully in you know an experienced genealogist researcher would oh, yeah understand that Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so That's that's uh, that's very cool Last week's tip of the week part two part two Exactly, um, who wants to see some cute photos of children? Okay, let me let me get there For people watching online as we speak also Oh, excellent excellent. Okay, so 12 months of photos And we've got three images here um So this is from the free space page 11 children Wow, is it big enough for everybody? Okay And look at these boys they look at them be me might be twins Oh One looks a bit bit older like maybe a year older, but maybe their faces are so similar. They could be well, these three I mean, they're clearly yeah Yeah, they're very all very close Wow Very cool, and they may still be alive, right? There's a bunch of yes. Yes. Oh, and like it says Okay, Della. This is the mom with all of her 11 children and her daughter is holding her first grand child Wow, so there's 12. Yeah what That's great So that grandchild is closer in age to probably her the the youngest Of the 11 right Yeah, yeah, I would guess that the littlest girl sitting to Uh delamaze Right is the youngest. Yeah Oh Now here we have elizabeth Oh the dress yes Uh, I wonder when the 1852 st john new brunswick look at that a little bit off the shoulder This is very uh sophisticated Very fancy Nice Precious and Here we have Huh Where are the kids where they're in a they're in arizona January 26 1926 Okay Okay, so it looks i'm looking at that Okay, so I see the two guys talk beside the car car. Is it a car? Yep. Yep, uh I I don't think that's a car It looks like shelves Right. Oh, okay Yeah And then so where were your cursor was there's it looks like a That looks like an old man with a hat on but They look a lot tinier. So are those the kids? Well, here are the kids Oh, so those are kids. Yeah one and two And then I think there's some an adult seated who might be holding Another one child Wow, I I really hope that kathleen Uh, well, I'm hoping that she also posted it to the g2g And maybe we can get the get the story there. Let's go over to the g2g um Uh, okay. Are you still with me? I'm still here. Great. Um So we've got five answers. Oh, oh Redhead This is right Summer 61 Probably somewhere on the south coast of england. I am the redheaded girl on the right Ah My brother 15 months older than me is the redheaded boy on the left My um Today is his 70th birthday Oh, happy birthday brother My sister 19 months younger than me is the child at the back looking a little bashful there My next sister the little one at the front is four and a half years younger than me Got to love the shoes on all of us and the big scab on my knee. I remember how I got it There are three more children all younger than me who weren't born yet The shoes look at those shoes Wow, and this little dress Wow, very cute. Yes Adorable Okay, so here is elizabeth stymus Bartlett From 1852 she looks about three a tiny frame decorated in gold under the glass I was surprised by her outfit. She looks like she attended ball Yes, oh, maybe she did with her parents. Oh, no She lived in st. John de brunswick, which was a wealthy port city at the time pat miller Yeah, thanks pat Yeah Neat and here is Oh, they okay, this was in oklahoma oklahoma And it's oh, it's alexis is great on ants Oh neat alexis. Yes, thanks Della may and guy love children and they were blessed with 11 healthy children now Okay, does it say anywhere whether there were twins or triplets? Um No, it does. No alexis isn't always in the chat with us is she But some she's often on the live cast I don't know we might have to post a question The g2d post because i'm curious i'm curious too. Yeah um Okay, who this is from john baski Okay, oh, I love when they label it. Yes me too This is my third great-grandfather jacob howe and four generations of his family He was a civil war veteran outlived a couple of wives and had a herd of kids It's a herd it's actually done This is one of my favorite picks for my howline. I wish I could have met him Yeah Little grace grace And that must be grace's mother I'm guessing Yeah, and grace's grandmother Or maybe if it says So jacob was that would be the top of the of the line and then william would be next so I'm thinking william and who's at the top there? Is it that is uh, amanda susanna howe hide so Yeah, my guess is that william and amanda might be Yes Father and daughter. Oh, yeah, because it's how dash hide it, right? So yeah married name howe and then It's grace miller and hide miller so Grace would be the daughter of miller. Yeah Mm-hmm Okay, here is our here's oh, yes arizona one. Yes Juan yordan's camp His wife and family at jillabend arizona I borrowed I borrowed some children from my father's trip on his harley across the southern united states John Well, maybe this is a vehicle of some kind I don't know. I mean it looked like a like an old-fashioned car to me. Yeah um Sort of a cross between a car and a handsome carriage. Yeah. Yeah Well, did harley's before they made famous for motorcycles. Did they do other vehicles? They did do other vehicles, didn't they? You're asking the wrong person great Well, according to an episode of the murdoch mysteries. Yeah, um, they they were They did do other vehicles, but I don't know if you ever watch that show. It's a canadian dbc co-production Okay, and that is it, but it's only the first saturday of the month So there's lots of time look for your your favorite photos of children Well, I should share at some point. Um, I was going to last last Month's theme was couples, right? Yes, correct. And this month's theme is children and what I um last month I was going to share A chart I put together for a family reunion back in 2000 Where I had done a family tree But included in the family tree pictures of the the wedding couple And then a picture of the family Like a young family Yes, right underneath so you could sort of see the family as it progressed through time So that would sort of fall that would satisfy both criteria. So Yeah But anyways, uh, we've given megs lots of time But uh, I guess she has a royal nap After um Dreaming of crowns and skepters. That's right. That's right. She's having a royal nap So I will um quickly go through the questions of the week And then um, and then maybe betsy while i'm doing that you can line up the social media the week So question of the week, do you have any politicians in the family? So betsy, do you have any politicians in your family? Well, interesting. You should ask that greg. Yes during connectathon. I worked on One of my ancestors whose brother-in-law Was governor of indiana Wow 1857 to 1860 I'm very sure of the connection because the names in the family were extremely unusual But I need to get a will To really really prove it So so yes conditionally Well, I actually have a very close politician in the family. My brother is the mayor of our township so um in ontario their Counties and the counties are broken down into townships just like you in the states and the leader of the township in ontario Now they're called a mayor just like the mayor of town So my brother basal is the mayor of vermera township where I live So I don't know if that makes me the duke if he's the mayor, you know, you're lord lord mayor. I don't know Do you have a do you have a special title or something? Yeah, no, we make it up as we go on sort of thing But anyways, um, but there are 24 answers. Um, so great ones Uh, so we should always as mag say you should always upvote them as you read through them So, uh, k smith Says he's my favorite is duff green First cousin fit five times removed although we never held office He was an educator a military leader a journalist author diplomat industrialist attorney businessman and surge as kitchen cabinet member for andrew jackson's administration In a dispute between jackson and his vice president john c calhoun green supported calhoun and attacked the jackson administration through his newspaper the united state telegraph green's daughter went on to become calhoun's daughter-in-law And green's wife was lingon's son son-in-law's aunt Wow, I would be curious who knew and met more presidents duff green or billy gram Um, and then she headed a comment after that close but no cigar I'm not sure what the close and what no cigar was. Um, I frequently engage in conversation with a retired senator Who practiced law in his retirement? We occasionally drew looks from the judge because we shared the same sense of humor and would laugh a little too loud during court proceedings Yeah, that's probably not good laughing the middle of court Um What she didn't know was at the time that he was her first cousin once removed brother-in-law But then again, I didn't know that about her until I learned about wiki tree So that's cool. She she was cabitzing with a cousin all this time and didn't even know it Um Sharon warren says my great-grandfather cambell 33018 was involved in local politics in brooklyn new york In 1909 he was a democratic candidate for alderman in the 51st district. He was elected and served one term Susan ellen smith has several governors in her family tree um, governor of virginia william cabell Uh, a governor caleb car from rhod island william oates from alabama charles scott from kentucky And governors west of virginia three brothers john deloar Francis and nathaniel all great-grand uncles Wow, so she's cut the whole Eastern seaborg covered there doesn't she? yes Where to go Well connected well connected. I need to be uploading these as I go along um And sylas no bob land says that my great-grandfather ran for the kansas state legislature But another candidate was just chosen instead. He then questioned the results of the election. Hmm That's sylas marion land Uh, and matthew sullivan says my brother is a former city counselor. He also once ran a somewhat chaotic Campaign for mp in a federal election I have a first cousin who was husband was a mayor in the 70s and that's jeffrey tobin Uh, brian lemoth says my fourth great-grand uncle netham angier Was mayor of atlanta in georgia from 1877 to 79 and his great-grand aunt Dolly tuttle davis hall was the wife of hillan hall who's the 25th governor of vermont Uh, and then susan mentions that doddy is her fifth cousin six times removed So that's kind of cool when wiki treeers find connections to each other Um through famous people Marina blasco has several relations went into politics, but i'm not proud of that And k actually i liked k's comment i like my outlaw connections every bit as well as my political ones truth, you know, maybe even better Jillian adam says i don't have any in my direct line But this airshare lad is my first cousin four times removed was involved in politics from an early age to trade unions And after emigrating to australia as a politician in sydney and that sam smith Uh, my great-grand uncle was john walker mccullough who was elected maryland maryland state senator of garrick county in 1921 I've often thought that he looked like a politician in this photo and that was alexis That's a great photo. Isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, that kind of looks like a politician You know, why wouldn't they smile though just a little bit just a hint of a smile You know was part of the the how they did things in the day. Yes, that's right Same people who make made up the law in the uh, when you take a driver's license photo, right? Well, I read somewhere you're not like for your passport photo. You're not supposed to know in in canada at least it's a rule You can't smile for your passport photo Um, I guess it's more likely that when you come through an airport that you're not happy anyways, so It's more likely it's gonna look like this photo Um, uh roger strong stong says they're probably more than I want to admit The closest was my great-granduncle daniel hayden line linebaugh linebaugh A lawyer in muskegee, oklahoma. He was an active democrat and a political ally of will william alfalfa bill murray I love when they have nicknames He attended numerous oklahoma state democratic conventions chairing the state convention in 1912 And attended the democratic national convention in 1908 and in 1920 where he nominated senator robert owen for selection as the presidential nominee He was mentioned as a possible oklahoma gubernatorial candidate in 1921 and ran unsuccessfully for congress twice He did manage to serve as u.s. District Attorney for the eastern district of oklahoma from 13 to 17 Um, and then also u.s. Attorney general and special justice of the oklahoma supreme court nice And then john thompson says it appears that my mother's sixth great-grandfather john redding 104 was the first nativ born governor of the british province of new jersey and luther browns I don't know if this is considered politician or not, but he was elected my great-uncle thomas ford was sheriff in sequoia county oklahoma Uh janet says my grandfather great-grandfather redmond 1721 was mayor of anaconda Montana mt. Is that montana? I think so. Yeah, okay for one term. I think I'm reportedly related to several presidents mostly by marriage. I'm related to us Okay, good Um, the only other possibility I can think of was massachusetts has another has an m and a t in it, but Yeah, no massachusetts m a yeah, you may Uh, and what's main then me? me yes, okay um My most well-known politician in uh in my tree is president teddy roosevelt very impressive donna gerber um He's a very distant cousin And then she has closer relatives uh john m brown He's involved in local politics and another politician uh john furtig who was a justice of the peace um And on anon sharky says that my father-in-law mark sharky served as a parish counselor a borough counselor and a county counselor in the 60s 70s and 80s frank b clerk was the missouri representative for the democratic party. Um in ray county elected in 1950 52 that's david res Um, oh, i'm not uploading here I don't get behind that My great-grandfather william wildman cambell was elected to 59th congress as a republican In 1905 to 1907 that's heather grace ratcliffe Uh, shonda feather says my second great-grandfather jacob roth was the mayor of south zanesville muskingham, ohio And teddy roosevelt was a third great-grandson of my eighth great-grandfather So there's another connection to teddy Um ray sarlin says i'm ashamed to say my family does have its share of politicians For example, my paternal grandfather was a member of finland's first parliament and also served in an mp later My dad would never speak of his father and adopted a different surname by d bowl when a teenager Which confused my sister and me when we began family research. I guess so wow Some years later, I took a the y dna test to find out why my autosomal dna showed 0.9% asian among my otherwise pure northern european only to have an uncle also young although younger than me pop up in finland It seems that my then 73 year old grandfather was still coordinating servant girls like my grandmother had been 36 years previously Oh my And then we have a few more on the second page ryan Romaine said I do but only recently relearned about it through research my great great grandfather Templeton the 4004 Scribed as a well-known politician from the obit from the local newspaper in paterson, new jersey Cheryl hess says I was a politician. I was a politician. Cheryl says not me her For 14 years an alderman for our little city also the police commissioner and in charge of the finance committee way to go Cheryl As responsible for preparing the budget and hiring and firing. Wow the chief of police was in daily contact with me for additional instructions I'm very glad to be retired from these strenuous positions. I guess Yes Um And then steven sanders says that I my fourth great grandfather Lieutenant or lieutenant john peacock was a trustee of the village of waddington in st. Lawrence county, new york I also serve one three one-year terms as president mayor of the village Most likely a member of the wake party killed in action during the battle of austy And the last one rigid live sea says my maternal grandfather John joseph duval the junior was elected at age 53 and served as district justice of upper providence township delaware county, pennsylvania It's a way to go. Wow Some very interesting, uh tidbits there. Yeah Good that was a good question of the week. That was a good one question. Yeah. Thanks for everyone for sharing. Yes um Well what I have and I what's happening around wiki tree um Okay, so all I need to add to stream So i'm showing off my t-shirt because it it relates to the challenge of the week This is my mitre y dna t-shirt. Yes. Can you are you are you involved in that? I am. Yes I'm one of the team members on mitre y dna.org um Which is a website um where you can share your y dna and mitre chondrial dna um Information can upload your your data there and then you can compare um So similar to the way jed match works for comparing autosomal dna results It's a it's a site for free It's a nonprofit Where you can upload your y dna and your mitre chondrial dna and you can actually do dna comparisons with others Yeah, I did I did that with my mitre dna mitre chondrial dna. It's very cool So the wiki tree challenge this week is they picked seven people who are on the mitre y dna site and unlike other ones where you're trying to build out your cc seven score this one you're trying to build down the line So down the paternal lines or the maternal lines So you can make the connections between as many Y dna descendants or mitre mitre chondrial dna descendants as possible. So it's going very well Excellent excellent. Yeah And that's that started on thursday, correct? Yes, it did. Yeah, it's thursday to thursday. Okay Great. Well looking at what's going on. I am now on the what's happening around wiki tree in may post So as greg said, we've got um the mitre y dna Challenge going on right now. We also have two pop-up challenges happening Simultaneously So there is the star wars pop-up challenge Featuring christopher shawnd and that's going from it started yesterday midday And it's going until monday midday. So it's the whole weekend. It's the whole weekend. He has um irish german and japanese heritage Yeah, that's well. Yeah jump jump into that There's a g you can get to the g2g post from here and also A kentucky derby pop-up challenge that sandi's running. Yeah, sandy paddock. Yes Our own Now actually that might have just been yesterday Oh, it doesn't have a date range. So it might be Is it done? Oh, is sandy still here? I don't know. She was at the time that I did my tip Yeah, so Oh, I hope well, I I hope if it's done that it was a huge success. It sounded like a lot of fun Yeah, um, and here we are we're rounding up And tomorrow we have a new member q&a with me and hillary gatsby on zoom and Still looking for one or two volunteers who would like to look at their profiles with me and hillary So, uh, you know said reply to the g2g post or send me a message. We'd love to have you um, the germany project meeting, uh, and then Yeah, there's a wiki tree tours video this coming monday Um And then, you know the uh the longer term things. I'll just mention that we will rock you Uh event we're getting set to start that up in june Um nominations are being accepted for the people who will get rocked Until next until monday the 15th So get get those nominations in and then we will randomly select five people Um to volunteer Um to do the research You have until may 31st Um two two different g2g posts um And you also have until may 31st to send us a recipe a family recipe for the wiki tree cookbook And um, you don't you don't have to do anything more than send us the recipe and um a wiki tree profile id That it's most closely connected to and then and then we'll we'll take it from there in terms of putting They're all together and and putting some interest in social history around it. So please Social media Yep, we've got we did Pope connections today and check out these wonderful shorts We have something um about connections to in elizabeth taylor Um, we had friday date night yesterday Next friday will be bingo with sandi Meet our members katharine mc michael Our member of the week nice, so There's plenty to do on wiki tree lots of fun stuff. Yeah Great Wow, and did you mention the um gsl i just where is my cursor I just mentioned also that the us black heritage project has two Um sprints and sprints Yes, no, I did not mention that. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah cool Well, thank you very much betsy We just next we hope she's having a nice rest But she will probably be back here this time next weekend Yes, as will we Yes, I actually will be at a big chamber music competition next saturday So I will probably not be here for the entire hour, but I will do my very best to To pop it and say okay. Well, we'll be happy to see you for whatever time you can give us and Thanks for everyone who joined us live and came and are watching this after the fact Yes, yeah, have a great saturday. All right. Thanks everyone. Okay. Bye