 I'd like to call the meeting order at 6.30 p.m. What additions do we have to agenda? I don't hear any. Okay, give you a minute. August 1st, 2022, I'm here at this one, John. I think we can go. I think we can go. I think we decide that you could. Yeah, yeah. We decided that it would be good. Yeah. You see? See? See, see? Have you read it? Oh, do you? Do you remember anything? You know, I don't think that was a paper. I think it was a post-process when you were saying that. Are you in on the meeting, John? I am. Oh, oh, you're right there. Here we go. I haven't been asked for this party. I think that's fantastic. I go to the past on it as written, exactly like that. Okay. Any further discussion? We need to see. Somebody second the motion. We'll see you in a second. This is, that's a good thing to do. Anyway, we have a big picture, June, tonight. I think it's smaller. It's like you're right here. All of you, please say hello. I'll pass in a minute. Please say hello. Hi. Hi, all of you. Yeah, I see. Okay. They do have to manage the past. The next comment is public comment. And I'll say public comment or my missing something. There's somebody out there that's public comment. I don't have any comment. Kim did call me and wanted to know, make sure that you were behaving yourself Seth. So that's, that's why I'm on. Oh, that's the only reason it's not. Well, because I love you all. And I just, and I'm bored as hell. So I'm sure that you want it. Okay. So we have no public comment. 640, a little ahead of schedule, but I suggest that we, they understand that they have a lot of things to do. So the board work session discuss municipal assistant interview questions. I've got a little bit of a question. I'm okay with them. Um, but does anybody know? Just ahead if you want. What do you mean? Let's go to the question first. And if we're ahead of schedule, we can, we can go through the most of this huge list here. Maybe put a few in. Some little hanging fruit. Yes, I'm going to give you some. How about the VLCT and we? No, first let's do the question. I don't want to do the question. You're really hard to deal with. Well, my name's all, my name's a sign already. Is your team too much sugar or something? He's a little punchy. Okay, so how many about the questions? Everyone happy? Yeah. Are these the ones that were used in your interview with her? No. Okay. They are not. But it's not any. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, some of them are somewhat similar, but now they are not. Okay. I did fine. I did fine. Yeah, I did fine. You have one that. Um, I guess I'm cautious about commenting in a public setting. So I think I'm I'm fine with them. I'm fine. Unless we're an executive session, that's so. Right. So. I think we're fine. Um. The next thing scheduled is the interview, which we're ten minutes ahead on. So let's pick something that's fairly innocuous. How about the town of Gallagher? Yeah, that's what John suggested. I nominate Carl. I'll start with that. All those in favor? I didn't mean to wait until you did it. Are we talking about the real CPS? Yes. Okay. Looks like a good session. Yeah. Have fun. Is that something you want to do, Carl? I mean, I'm just going to say your comments. I know a lot. Yeah, I do. And I would defer to somebody else on the board if they want to do it. That's definitely a polite way of writing. John, do you want to know? Thank you. Any of you? No, I'm busy. Junior? I unfortunately, I can't. But it looks really interesting. So I have one for you. I'm not sure. They do? Yeah. This is really good. Okay, so Carl wants to do it. Yeah, I'll do it. Okay, perfect. Do we have to make the motion? We already did it here. No. I don't think we need a motion. I think we do. I think we do. I think we do. I need the motion. Okay. Second. Do a second. All those in favor of probably delegate this out. Aye. Aye. That's a good idea. Okay, so we still have some time. Employee reimbursable expenses for conference travel. So what this is is the staff has asked me. I mean, I asked them what the approach was for. Travel expenses because I don't see any line on it for that in the budget and some conferences could be the distance away where a hotel stay. Would certainly be helpful. And they told me that. It's kind of been protocol that travel costs were not. Reversed in any way. To my legit hotel say it's not. So if you choose one, it limits where they can attend. If it's a multi-day conference because it unless they choose to put the bill for the hotel themselves. They obviously would likely not partake in a conference that. Yeah, I don't think they should come up. Yeah, I don't, I don't know. Yeah. I'm not sure what has been discussed or not been discussed. So I'm asking the board what is, I don't know what Judith and your experience with the state. I don't know what. Most people. Yeah. Yeah. And what types of conferences or opportunities would there be for the. Well, VLCT town fair would be one. And then also actually before that I provided information on it. It's actually a conference for treasurer and town clerks. As well. So they would be attending that conference and then also town fair. You know, it. Some people may or may not want an overnight stay and it also depends on distance of course. And my experience in the past, usually an hour was kind of a cut off for travel time. So I'm not sure Judith what the state does as it relates to any kind of, you know, obviously there's conference happening and it's in a short distance. Obviously you wouldn't. Yeah. It's a two day conference and they're expected to attend both days. Then staying overnight isn't unreasonable. It makes sense and for safety and all of that it. You know, it's more prudent to do. Usually these conferences have a room rate deal. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know if there was any kind of reason why this wouldn't have been reimbursed in the past. When there's conferences, they usually rotate. Don't think around the state that they'll be the same thing, but they'll be not clear. Like I'm to the select for a conference. Yeah. There's a city management association that pulls me throughout states. Sometimes you're down and. And. Telling 10 sometimes they're over in Virginia. Sometimes they're often. Those ones I always went on. I would stay because they're multi-day. And they covered a lot of things. I mean, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, You know, you know, you know, I would stay because they're multi-day and they cover low costs. Yeah, if you're specific like the line item forward, it's type of thing. That's the type of thing I would probably look to change as we go forward. But I know that one person did, for example, for town fair, they actually paid that to the sale, they'll stay themselves. So. Yeah. So I. I know what the issue is. Um, may have just been, you know, so as long as you all agree to that again, applying consents and reasonable from other cost perspective, I think it's, it's appropriate to do this point. I consider it a safety issue and I don't want someone to be in a position that they're choosing to drive maybe further than they should at night, um, after sitting in a conference all day. Yeah. And also they're doing something that's kind of benched at the count. Exactly. Oh, that's great. I mean, we should encourage them. Yeah, of course. We want them to be in good enough shape to appreciate. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's all I just wanted to say. You should provide some guidance on, you know, how many conferences or which conferences or something the supplies do, or do you just. Yeah, that's on the floor and kind of our budgeting. We don't have, we just kind of have a bucket of funds. I don't think we're going to have to worry about the amount of conferences. Yeah, there's really not. We're kind of seeing this too, I think right now. Yeah. We have a couple of employees wanting to go to a couple of conferences, which is all there is. Yeah. It'd be great. Yeah. I mean, the way I would approach it Carl is, as long as we are within budget, if another conference were to come up and it may be an increase to the budget that is there, then I would bring something like that to this. We don't have a budget for that. We do have a budget for, there's a, there's a, yeah, it's like a, I forget what it's called. It's a training or something. Oh, okay. Take the hotel expenditures on that. I would probably create a new cost code for that because I think it's better to track that separately versus typically in my experience, it's better to track the competencies that are from your travel costs. So I would probably create a new code. It may be an unbudgeted item per se, but it may be covered to your point by other funds within the general fund in that, in that training line. So you're suggesting allocating a portion of the current trading line to this. I'll have to look at that training line and see how much is there, how much has been used in the past. But yeah, I don't think this was ever anything in my experience, typically you budget for conferences that you would plan to attend. You would also budget travel costs for those conferences as well. I think conferences are a good investment for employees. I'm glad that people are interested in getting out and learning more and just a chance to get out of the office and, and meet counterparts around the state. So I want to encourage it. I also want, you know, to have some oversight over the process. So if you want to come back in a future meeting and say, okay, this is the line item I want to create. And this is how I want to allocate funds to it. That would be a good way to go forward. Yeah, that's fine. I mean, in general, the budget was never done at this level of detail. So this is something I'm planning to look at for future budgets. I would be visiting in general how the budgeting is done. You've just been carrying blanket numbers over all these years. There's no real detail that into how these numbers came to be. So this is something that I kind of want to go through this year to really be able to look at expenses, redo reporting as well to provide additional information so that we can actually start budgeting in this way. So I'm looking at a brand new approach right now. And going forward, especially as we get into this year. So trying to rebuild the current budget. Is will be a bit difficult to try to recreate detail that has never been included. In the budget. Yeah, we do. Correct. Yeah. I think it's a. I think it's. Yeah. It's, it's not much. And I have to look at what has been done in years past as well. In that line item as well. Yeah. Well. Yeah. I'm just trying to respond creatively to your suggestion. Gina. That's like for. Exercise oversight. Just by saying it was. As long as it's in the budget. So that's fine. Yeah, exactly. And that's the only reason I'm suggesting. I'm creating another cost code is. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just trying to respond creatively to your suggestion. Gina. That's like for. Exercise oversight. Just by saying it was. As long as it's in the budget. It's fine. Yeah, exactly. So the only reason I'm suggesting I'm creating another cost code is. I think it's dangerous to start varying costs and codes just because a budget is there. If it's not. Truly applicable to that line. And typically travel costs are not included with. Fees for a conference. Typically. Just like mileage is not included. Miles just carved out separate. Same kind of concept. So in the past they have created new cost codes for things. Yeah. I mean, just to give you an example on the. Background checks that were done in employees were coded to legal fees. I found that odd and sure enough, the external auditors agreed that that is not really inappropriate. Just because there were funds there, I think it was coded there. So I'm trying to remedy some. We're just that. The past. That is a. Typically to move budgets around. Because the budget has been set. Has been approved. In the town. You know, you know, if you want to reallocate budgets in a year, you typically will report costs where you would want to see them. And then when you go to your budget for the next year, I mean, those, those buckets accordingly. That's what I was planning to do. So, so just to make sure I understand you. Let me try repeating what I think I hear. You're suggesting we use the existing budget as it was passed. And we charge overnight expenses. For conferences to the line item that is already in the budget for the next year. So, I would like to add a new cost code to actually track the cost and an appropriate cost code. Correct. Okay. Because otherwise you lose visibility. Into that cost. Okay. And then are you proposing a sum to go into that cost code to say, okay, this is what we expected. In my experience. And I don't know you guys saw me. Typically when a budget is set, you do not redo the budgets. I mean that budget is. Yeah, exactly. You just go over in a line item. When you basically fix it when you do the budget going forward. I mean, frankly, it's an oversight of my opinion that travel costs are not included in the budget in any way. It could be that it was an impact. I thought it was an intent that the town did not approve of paying for an overnight stay. So, but no, typically you don't move a budget because that would be a little over tied back to what was in the town. Okay. So how can this life board exercise oversight to the budget? If there's not going to be any constraints on how much it's spent on this new code that's created. I'm just trying to figure out a way that we can exercise oversight. You guys tell me how you've done things in the past. This is a normal practice for me. That this is how. In my experience companies would do this. If there was a mix in a budget. You would track the actual budget. You would track the actual budget. If there was a mix in a budget. You would track the actual expenses. And then you do the budget for the next year. And I'm just suggesting something was developed to a conference. What they should do is make a request to. To. Or to board. And where the board. And where to improve or deny it. Yeah. So that's how you keep control over your budget. Sometimes the things come up. Yeah. We have lots of items. That's all over the place. Yeah. I just responded. Yeah. Yeah. Question about. Adding over that. And I. And again, like I said, there's pluses and minuses. There's positive and negative variances throughout the entire. Sure. We just hear about what. Happens. And sometimes we're not going to be a position. Just prove or request. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. We have lots of items that the budgets are all over the place. I just responded. Yeah. Yeah. And then we'll see what happens. Yeah. Because there's not that much money at play there. Yeah. We're talking. A few hundred hours. As well. And if we see things ballooning. Yeah. So just to summarize, we're asking you, Gina, to approve requests for staying overnight at conferences. We're expecting that. Exactly. Yeah. You're going to approve this request. With the guideline that we're just kidding. Yeah. And then we'll see what happens. Yeah. We'll see what happens. We're expecting that. Yeah. And we're asking you to report to us. After it's been approved. Feature requested. Is that what we're doing? That's probably what's going to have to happen. But if there's a big request and we have right before cycle, we could throw it on there. Yeah. You know, but if it comes in between these. We're pre-approving. Yeah. She's going to approve it. If it seems reasonable. Yeah. Perfect. Good. Okay. So let's get back to our. I think she's stayed outside. So we are going to check. If you want to go into executive session and Judith, you do have a question for what to revise a question. I think we can also. Take a few minutes to do that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So let's get back to our municipal assistant candidate. I think she is here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think we can revise a question. I think we can also. Take a few minutes to do that. If you would like. Yeah. I hope that we go into exactly the discussion. Yeah. Second. I'll be there with these guys. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You're all set. And. You do have some magic. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You want me to make a motion? Yes. I move. That we authorize the power of the administrator to make an offer for the municipal assistant position. At $25 an hour to the person we just interviewed. Tending the results of the background. Check. That is not a delay. All the favor for staff. We'll move on to the next item. Allocation of our performance. See you. So we're just talking about. Money. Yeah. We would like. Or not. Not. Yep. To see if I would, which is pending on discussion we had on the next. I'll ask. Are we going to be talking about the language of the agreement? We never came up with that now. And. The language. The agreement. Yeah. Yeah. We received feedback and language about the town attorney. And. Okay. Planning. Quite a bit. Yeah. Are we going to be talking about the language of the agreement? Of course you've got to decide what we're going to do. We can we have, we never came up with that now. And. The language. The agreement. We're going to be talking about the contract itself. And I would move that. And I. That that be in. Executive session. Because having in public. Our conversations. May disadvantage us in our negotiations. With CB fiber. And that's pursuant to three VSA 313 paragraph. A one. A. I agree. And wondering what we can talk about in an open session before we do that. I thought that I didn't know that we had to come up with the amount of money. We have. Right. We also. It's also the amount of money. There's a blank in the contract, but there's also a lot of. There are two. Well, anyway, there's some language in the contract that. And there's also an attachment to the contract that. I'm not sure if it all says what we want it to say. So. Anyway. Wait a minute. Okay. So. We want to have this on the agenda. Because we can. Every dollar. What's that? No, I'm agreeing with you. That's the purpose. Right. We can leverage every dollar. With matching money from some entity with state. Well, that's, that's what we were talking about last time. And Judith, you requested some documentation on that. And do we have that confirmed that. Yeah. That our funds will be matched. We got that back from. What it was. I read. Did you see it? Yeah. Yeah. I don't recall. Is there a ceiling. It's 15 million or something to have all together. One million per town. For a lot of money. Per se. Yeah. Yeah. It was, we're not. Okay. Okay. Okay. So. Then. 15. Exactly. But the thing is that we were, we had 240. Underserved households. And the question is how many of those households are actually going to take advantage of the book. And that money. Yeah, we did the math. Right. We were coming up with it was $1,600. So 1,600. And then you multiply that times. It was around 426,000, I believe, to get the entire town. So what was discussed last time was if the town contributed to 13. And it was matched and you would get to the 426. But then I forget who asked the question. Of how many people, but that's assuming everyone signs up. And they said that the state has come up with about 45% of households with sign. When you did that. Right. We got back down to about the $100,000 figure that I think the select coordinate discussed previously is a potential. Right. But the danger is. If we allocate too much to our phone. Then what happens that month. I think it would disappear. I think if it does not fit the work of criteria, I think once we allocate the money, the money is gone. But the money can only go to the underserved. Correct. And there's another place that that money can go. Is to nonprofits. But the question was, was it underserved? Right. Or is just not. I think they said all nonprofits. I believe. You don't remember. The criteria. I thought we were uncertain about that. I remember there were uncertain about, do you remember that? Yes. Yeah. I think that was uncertain. That was the question. Yeah. I thought we were uncertain about that last night. I remember there were uncertain about, do you remember that? Yes. Yeah. Non-profits or just non-profits in general. That we can allocate that. I think that was uncertain. That was the question. Yeah. Yeah. The school is a nonprofit. The fire station is a nonprofit. Well, the fire station is a nonprofit. The other. That is a nonprofit. I mean, it's a nonprofit. It's, it's, it's, it's just power. The fire department is a. It's on its own. Right. Yeah. Congress is part of the municipality. The Queen Valley. Can I ask. Can I ask a question? Who prepared appendix one? Was that prepared by CV fiber? Or was that prepared by us or our attorney? CV. Okay. All right. Cause. Last time when we were chatting. It was recommended or discussed that in addition to the underserved folk, we can also identify other uses and that could be included specifically included in the appendix. And so this is where we would put. You know, the school, the library, or we don't have a library, but school. Any, anywhere else. But this is just some generic language that it appears at CV fiber put in there. So if this is something we want, we would need to craft specifically. What other entities would qualify for. The hookup. And if I can, I have a number of questions about the document, but the biggest one. I have. Relates to the. Whereas clause, which precedes the agreement. And it's on page two. And it says, whereas the contribution by the town will directly reduce the amount of seed, the amount CV fiber will need to borrow. And thereby increase affordability by decreasing subscriber fees. I thought the purpose of this was to connect. I'm using the wrong terminology, but to connect those underserved households. That's not what this says. This says that our contribution is going, is going to offset CV fibers. Burden in, in all that it does, not necessarily tied to the towns. Underserved. Homeowners being hooked up. Yeah. It just comes out of the budget figure that they have. They have a budget. And part of the budget is underserved. And maybe that's what it should say. And not that it's going to. Offset what they need to borrow. But we've talked about this with CV fiber before. And that's just what they said. Is that the more. Money we get on the less end of our. It's getting simple range. That's one thing that have to find some way to designate that that money, that savings was targeting. You know, it is. Because they cannot use our money for anything else. That's why. We have to make sure they don't use it or something else. So what I'm saying is that that language is not sufficiently narrow or specific to satisfy our requirements. For. Funding. As represented by the woman who talked to us about the program. Last time. So. I think that's an area you're talking about, Judith, if I understand you correctly is that. CV fiber. To say, hey, we didn't get any money from the town to help out with these connections. It's a responsibility of every homeowner there to pay these connections. And therefore it would not have an effect on how much they have to borrow or the fees for. That makes sense. Well, it's, it's, it's subscriber fees throughout CV fiber, not limited to the town of East Montpelier. And that's. What is that? That's a good question. I thought it was when they talked to us. Yeah, it's supposed to, but again. For purposes of this contract and the paragraph precedes the agreement. I think that we need to be clear that the town contributions are going to offset. The cost for hookups or whatever the terminology is for underserved East Montpelier households. And those purposes outlined in appendix one. You know, and we outline what other uses or users. Qualify under appendix one. So I would you suggest that we strike that paragraph. Then do it. No. I think we need a paragraph, but I think it needs to tie into what we, what it's our understanding those funds are being used for. And, and, and those funds are being used to offset. The cost of hooking up or whatever the word is, you know what I'm trying to say on the underserved. Households in the town of East Montpelier. So it does. It does say. That's paragraph four. That's not the introductory paragraph preceding the agreement. And that they're committed to working on it. Isn't the same as agreeing to do it. So. I have other suggestions. I'm still on board with the idea of contributing funds to CB fiber. I just think it's important that the document. Represent what the town intends the funds to be used for. So that includes drafting our own appendix one. And not, and sub substituting that with the boiler plate that CB fiber provided to us. And just, you know, any other small tweaks. That we have, including what I just identified. So as a lawyer. Is our camera. Yeah. This is the one that you have. You have some red markings. But then I have followed. I have reached out to Bonnie. Yeah. Regional planning and then set the follow-up to her. Because as much as I know other towns have. Committed funds to CB fiber. To get the match. I don't think anyone went to regional planning. Or at least certainly nothing went to her. So I just got her feedback. On Thursday when I followed her again. And she sent quite a bit. Of comments. Because I think we kind of brought her the first opportunity to really look at what the towns were actually signing up. Now, when I reached out to her the first time, she said that she's aware of the towns have been committee funds. But her comment was that they were doing so without asking any questions. So. And she did tell me that the LCT would likely tell us to reach out to her. And she said, Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Any questions. So. And she did tell me that the LCT would likely tell us to reach out to the town attorney, which I did. And she actually left Carl's language and toothed it ever so slightly. I sent him what Carl's initial draft was. And. That's the one with the red. And the one you have that has. Like this. Reporting. And then the station. Three. So the first. I don't know how much you put in the factory, but the whole thing. So it looks like this. I'm just going to ask a question. When is our next meeting? We have at least one more meeting before the September 15th deadline. Is that correct? Yeah. That's well. Okay. This is time for the agreement, but let's try to come up with it now. I knew the agreement may like would take us a little more. Okay. So we kind of came up with the thought that the hundred thousand is going to be a good enough. Now, we can do the math as quickly as we should. We don't even remember how much it was per house. It's 1650. It's actually. Okay. And you're saying, and you were saying that. The state estimate is only 40% of the under certain households. 45. When I did the math during the last meeting, it got us, I think, to like 96,000. Okay. So that's for. Yeah. That's without. The twin bell is in your favor. Right. No. But those look up. So they'd be the same amount of money. 1650. It's actually. Okay. And you're saying, and you were saying that. So they'd be the same amount of money. That's a blanket estimate that they, I think calculated across probably all town. Yeah. So we don't know when they're planning to. Spring fiber by the senior center right now. We heard that. Yeah. But we don't know what CB fibers are to go by there. Might also be $10,000. It's very special line. It would depend on what electrical poles, you know, if it's underserved. We're not paying for the line or block. Well, see the underserved parts. So that would be a special. Line to underserved. Or it could be part of the problem. Is a nonprofit underserved. I don't understand. Is it. Well, I think we're working on the assumption for now, which we need to double check since we've. We haven't done that that nonprofits don't have to be called. To qualify. That's what I'm trying to figure out. Right. Because if you came up, if you have the number of the 240 to 120, you multiply by 1650 to 198,000. So if we get up to give them 100,000 and get another 100, that is perfect. But as anyone talked to you 32 with the elementary school, to find out what their capacity is right now, do they need more fiber quickly? Nice. So that's something. Let's figure out if they're underserved. If they qualify for. If they're not underserved. Right. Right. We don't know that. That's a good question. There's any nonprofit. For the use of the. The schools might have a contest and I have 50 megabytes per second. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. So we. How do we get this information? It seemed to me that CD fiber would be doing an audit at the town. So no, who is what where? I don't know how to go about. Getting this information. And honestly, don't have time to be calling the schools to ask what they have or don't have. So. We need to see the fiber. What the connection. Well, first of all, we need to determine where is the priority account for us to make sure it's served quickly. And then we can ask CD fiber. Okay. Is this, you know, an easy thing because you're springing fiber right by them anyway. Or there's a hard thing. And it's going to cost $40,000 per connection. I think that's. When I asked these questions before, because when I did speak to Janelle the very first time I spoke with her. She didn't send me the nap initially. She didn't send me the nap initially. And then I asked about the map. So these are the types of questions I was asking that I was not getting clear answers to. And I don't. Because I said, these are the types of questions I thought. Yeah. So I don't know what level of detail the audit. I was a bit surprised at the limited information that was coming back. I was just told that most towns are giving between 30 and 50,000. Yeah. And that's what I was. That's the guidance. Essentially. I left that call. It sounds like they're doing it without. They just. They don't even have a contract for it. Right. In a satisfactory way. That's the sense I got from the initial conversation I had, because the same questions you're asking now is what I was asking. And essentially the only information I really received back was the map that I gave you all at the last meeting. With a little red dots on it. So maybe we can do the due diligence. Check in with the schools. See what they have to what they want. Check in one more time with CV fiber. They'll probably say. We can't tell you how much it's going to cost to connect those. And then we can figure out what we want to do. And again, going back to attachment one. I mean, that's a good question, Seth, but I think that we can identify the purpose of these funds in terms of the unused households, looking at their boilerplate, for example, which is an appendix one, excuse me. They identify connecting households and connecting community facilities. It's kind of a generic. Listing of places. So if we want to include. You 32 or the elementary school or whatever. Perhaps we could include that there, but we would need to specify it. And so I think. I would recommend we modify that paragraph I talked about to specifically identify the. Underserved households and other. Entities or community facilities as outlined in appendix one, but we need to create the appendix one. But in order to do that, we need to know whether these public entities need the assistance for the connection or not. And I agree with you, whether or when they will be connected. That sounds reasonable. Could we just take a break right now and ask our road foreman. Public works. Public works. Public works. Public works. Public works. Public works. Public works. Public works. Public works. Public works is reasonable. Could we just take a break right now and ask our road foreman. Public works garage and what are the possibilities here? What sort of internet connectivity. Is there right now and what would you find desirable? If it's not at your level right now. Why? At the town guy. We don't have any wifi. We don't have any internet at all. Okay, so you use your personal cell phones and Wi-Fi hotspots? Nope, the town garage phone has internet on that if you need anything. And I used the iPad and cell phone for email. You have DSL via the landline? Is that what I'm understanding? We don't have any internet at the shop other than what we can use on our phone. We use a landline, we use a cell phone. The town garage phone is a cell phone. Got it. I don't know what maybe they'll work. So it looks like the community, I mean, for you to attend each one, we can hook up those things that we're talking about. It looks like that. Yeah, that's their boiler. Again, that's CV fibers boilerplate, you know, for us to determine whether and what we'd want to put there. But I would want the confirmation, you know, that it's okay. But anyway, yeah. Yeah. But we also have this paragraph or this language that Jim Barlow has helped us construct saying, Hey, if you spend it on something that's not legal for ARPA funds, we didn't call that back for it. Yep. No, I agree that we definitely need that language in there. Yep. So if we put something in appendage one that it turns out doesn't qualify for ARPA funds and it's on them. I think. If they agree to that. I think we've seen the indemnification modifications made by Jim or we haven't sent our redraft back to them yet. Yeah, I have not sent anything back to. Okay. I would make a suggestion because we've got some additional, I'm sorry, I've got something in my eye and it's driving crazy. We've got some additional information to obtain or additional work to do. So I'm really willing to make comments to the agreement on things that I've seen and share them with the group. For the attorney or both. That I think might make this a better document for the town. That's actually what I was going to suggest that maybe one to two board members. I think it would be helpful if one or two of the board members, you know, and even if that includes a conversation with CB fabric directly as well. Cause like I said, you guys are asking the questions that I asked her. When I talked to her a month or so ago. That, you know, I thought a select board will want to know before determining how I can get funds. So. Yeah. I think it would be helpful if one or two of the board members, you know, even if that includes a conversation with CB fabric directly as well. I think it would be helpful if one or two of the board members, you know, would want to know before determining how I can get funds. So I like this idea. I just got one comment to make it look really fun. If we create a hundred thousand dollars to us, it's going to be pretty close to what is going to work. And if it's going to be a little bit more money because of community center or whatever we have in it, that's not a big deal. Because that's why the system come out of their budget. We're not paying for that. They can contribute that or CB fiber will pay for that. It's just that we need to come up with a certain amount of money. So we can get that matching one. And it's going to be pretty close to the hundred thousand just by doing the math. And you're not going to get any closer to that because you know what, you don't know how many people are going to sign up. You'd have no idea. We're going by. Funny numbers that somebody generated a poll. Okay. It could be 51%. It could be 53%. It could be 35%. That's why most towns have aired on the lower side. They didn't want to give them too much money because they have no idea how many people are going to sign up. Yeah. And then the risk is if you give them too much money and then they can't find enough sources. We'll use it on. Right. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Once you committed it, they just committed it. Exactly. It would just be lost. So a hundred thousand dollars is pretty. It's pretty hard. Actually, I want to push back again. What you just said, because I think the language that Bonnie suggested. Was that if they haven't committed the money. By a couple of months before our deadline for committing the money, then we get the. Yeah. She was, she was adding some information to protect us from that. Because the risk is with her, but there isn't that deadline. Once the funds are allocated at the point that you. You say that your funds are there. That's. That's where you've allocated them. That's it. So if you don't spend. For those allocations, the way I'm understanding it today. Then that money. That's it. You said you were going to use it for X. If you didn't use it for X, you can't shift it to Y at that point. So she suggested that we have a list of shovel ready projects that we haven't committed. So that is a couple of months before the deadline for allocating the money. They still haven't said, okay, these are the households we're going to serve. This is how we're going to save a little time. Then we have some time to get the money back for a moment and say, okay, we're going to allocate. These things. Okay. So, but we do have another meeting coming up. This stuff to go over. But I think that we need to think about that. Because I think it's important to get the maximum. And I think the hundred thousand is probably a fair number. Especially if we can get some of the back. So we wouldn't put in a hundred thousand and then it would get matched at 50%. 100%. So why don't it get double? Yeah, but why wouldn't we, I mean, if we're thinking that the, am I doing the math? No. We're thinking in a total of 200. Yeah. And we're going to get a hundred. What would, so if you split that in half. We're just going to come up with a semi-active figure. Just a guessing name. Perfect. We'll use the data we have. I think a hundred thousand is pretty fair. Okay. And what might end up happening is, you know, maybe a hundred thousand, maybe a hundred thousand, maybe a hundred thousand, maybe a hundred thousand, maybe a hundred thousand, maybe a hundred thousand, maybe a hundred thousand. Yeah. So what would end up happening is, you know, maybe more people subscribe than that 45. Yeah. Then either CV fiber uses their own. Or they say, okay, household member, if you want to connect, you're going to have to pay a tax amount. Yeah. I don't really see the risk. We can. We can. Within a couple months. They don't know at that point how many households are going to hook up. Yeah. Right. Okay. Yeah. You want a free hookup or. Right. You have to commit. But I don't want to leverage as much as our money for the three money as much as I can. Yeah, absolutely. So I think that's what we need to do. And we don't have to do it this meeting, but I think that we need to prepare to do it. At the next meeting without a lot of discussion because we've got to go with this legal document. Right. It's a lot. Right. We're resaving every meeting where we have about this. I think that we are committed to a democratic process to look at the overall commitment of our, our funding and that we are confident that the town would sign off on a hundred thousand or so floor underserved households because better internet is such a great. It's a big, great issue here. It has been for a long time. I have received a freeze and I respond with that the board is looking at this, but the board is trying to go into this with eyes wide open, which is why we have not. We have not submitted funds. The 12th. So one question I had was when it comes to the legal documents, I don't know where CD fiber is going to have to take our recommended or our suggested edits to their legal document. I'm assuming they're going to have to take it to their legal team. Right. Do we want to attempt to get something to them before that meeting on the 12th? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think we'd want the whole board to say yay to it before we pass it along to, or at least. You know, have an opportunity to review it before we pass it along to. CV fibers. Unless you just want. What I'm saying is having a, you know, a brief special meeting just to review the changes. That Carl and I make it, you know, incorporating Bonnie's contributions and our revisions. So that it's not Carl and I sending it so that the whole board looks at the document we're sending to CV fiber is my point. We could, or do you want to do by email? I just want. I would like to see it, but I think it was just fine. I think it's going to be great. So I think just in terms of the vote and meeting the way we handle that is, but we could do it one of two ways. I mean, this is, as you were indicating earlier, Judith, this is plausible to have an executive session for. And therefore we can say we're going to have our executive session via email. The other way to do it is just to say, Judith and I will send it out to each of you three on the select board and ask you to send your comments back to us individually. I guess that gets us above three people. If you do that. So I think we need to go into executive session. Final questions. If that would work for me. I want to try. Intermediaries. I'm sorry. If it looks like we need to have a special meeting to do it, we would have a question. I think in order for us to convey the. That we are forwarding to CV fiber, the rep, the agreement that the entire board wants to convey. The entire board needs to weigh in on it. And that should be by a deliberative session. I don't think we can use Gina as a media, media area. I think we should acknowledge that all of this is. Kind of internal deliberation regarding contract negotiation, which is appropriate for an executive session. And that we'll be doing that through email. But yes, that's what I was suggesting. As one of the alternatives. So that's the alternative I vote for. So in the email that you send out. With the contact. You're going to say that. I think we should say. In this meeting. That we are. I think we should say. I think we should say. In this meeting. That we are, we'll be. Deliberating on the contract language through executive session. And we will use email in order to do that. So I think. I just want to be clear. We can't make any decisions in executive session. So what that means is either we have a special meeting to a first meeting. Or we just say, we're having an internal work session. And we're going to send these documents on without having formally endorsed them. Because that's what we'll do on September 12th. Which I think is a viable. Yeah. Okay. So we just said it. In open session. But this is what we're going to do. That's right. And we need to make a motion to do that. And I just, I just want to make sure that we're dotting our eyes and crossing our fees. Is David Delta are still there? I don't see him, but maybe I can't see everybody. Can you look at the process? Yeah. Okay. So we just said it in open session. But this is what we're going to do. That's right. And we need to make a motion to do that. Okay. So David, I just want to make sure that. You're not our lawyer. But I just want to make sure that you're. Do you have any objections to this process from. A public point of view. I mean, I think that. You know, at the end of the day, if you're going to commit funds, you know, through a contractual arrangement with CV fiber, then there needs to be a board vote. You're right. You can't do that in executive sessions. So, you know, as long as you get around to saying, whether it's $100,000 or some other number, this is the number we're sticking into that agreement that we're committing to. Yeah. That the whole board doesn't need to be behind the board. Yeah. I understand it is that we would have that word vote on September 12th that are being scheduled for that day. And the voting would be a public record at that point. That sounds good to me. Thank you. If I may. We are providing CV fiber with the revised draft of what we're representing the board would agree to. And part of that document is the amount of money. We're going to be putting in a number and that's all going to take place prior to September 12th. So if that's going to happen, we need a forum or a method by which the entire board can say yay or nay to what we're actually giving to CV fiber. Well, that's okay. I have a different understanding than that. I thought we'd said just a few minutes ago that what we would send to CV fiber was not something that the full board had agreed to, but just something that we've discussed. This is what looks good to us right now. And we'd like your feedback on it. Yeah. But it's a draft. We're representing that this is what we want in the document. So we as a board want this in the document. So we as a board need to say, this is what we want. And we haven't done that. You and I are going to be. Going through with some suggestions for what should be in the document. But the entire board hasn't signed on to that. But wouldn't they do that in the September 12th meeting when we have the draft. Yeah. But we are representing we, Carl and I will be acting as agents. That may continue. Or acting as agents for the board that the board, the town is representing that this is what we want. So we are agents for the town that is acting as agents for the town that if CV Fiber said yes, we would sign the agreement. But we don't know that yet because the board hasn't said yes to the language that Carl and I are going to come up with. Right. So for that reason, I don't think that we will represent to see the fiber that the board will absolutely accept it. So I think we would say to see the fiber. The board has looked at this. And we haven't heard any objections to this language right now. We'd like to hear your thoughts on that. We haven't heard any objections to this language right now. We'd like to hear what you say about it. So we can't represent to CV Fiber that this is the language the town wants. Why would CV. Why would CV Fiber negotiate against itself and come back with line by line. Yeah, your name to what you and I convey to CV Fiber. They don't want to do it. Then that's our problem. But we're offering them a couple hundred thousand dollars. So I think they will operate. It's a community. From a third party perspective, which is how agencies are determined. The third party here would be CV Fiber is getting a message from two of the board members. Here's the language that we're looking at. What say you they are going to receive that as. The town wants this language, but the town hasn't made that decision yet. The select board hasn't made that decision yet. I am identifying a concern or a problem with the process you're proposing. If the rest of the boards comfortable with that. Fine. But I think the board. In transferring or relaying or authorizing its agents, Carla and I to transmit this, you're saying that what we're transmitting, you're okay with. And that hasn't happened. When we say that. Oh, we can't say that. We can't say that. We can make edits. You can suggest. Yeah. Yeah. And so we'll say, okay, we've heard from the board members. An executive session and we haven't ratified this formally in public. But we've got a pretty good sense of people like this, but we aren't committing to it. We'll come in on the top. Yeah. Yeah. Or we will discuss it again. Yeah. Do you see anything wrong with this? Yeah. Yeah. And if they don't like it. I don't care. Oh, they might try to change a few words. Sure. And we can say, yeah, well, I don't know. We haven't run this past our main college on the board. I see it as a backing force to negotiate. Yeah. I totally agree with you, but it's between the board and CB fiber, not Carl and I and CB fiber and the board. So we're either acting for the board or we're not, but no one else sees that problem. I don't want to stand in the way I just. So here's a hypothetical. We provide them with language. They makes up, you know, they say this is great. And then it's presented to the board. If the board said, no, we want these revisions. We've got to then go back to CV fiber and say. Oh, our board doesn't like. A B and C. They want these. Okay. So that's the worst case. Yeah. Finish my sentence. See the fiber then says, wait a minute. Why did you present this with this proposal? If now you're taking it back. What? And you're right. If CV fiber really wants this money. Maybe they'll sign off on anything we see. Who knows, but I'm just identifying a slight wrinkle in the plan. Well, thank you for doing that. But we are entrusting you and Carl. As being too bright legal minds. That will come up with a satisfying. A satisfactory contract. We will suggest edits when we see the. Contract in our email. Us three are not the bright legal mindset. We have a lot of common sense. We're entrusting you with this. And I can't imagine. That we're going to come up with very many edits. We're very small. If there's going to be anything. And by the time you get the document together and bring it to CV fiber, I think all of us are going to be pretty happy with it. We have to shoot. We have to shoot. And if nothing else, we can have Janelle here. Well, and talk about. I understand what you're saying. Thank you. Yes. But I also see it as a process. Moving forward. That by the 12th is going to be pretty worked out. Yeah. I think. I was just, you know, if the deadline is the 15th and you're meeting on the 12th. Is there really any reason that you need to provide them a copy with this in advance? Of the 12th. We just want to make sure everything is worked out. We want to give them a chance to consult with their legal team on the changes that we've made on the draft that they've provided us. Right. All right. Thank you. We're going to do diligence basically. A couple of our members. So basically can we move on? Or. Anyway, it's not comfortable or comfortable. I found it. I'm comfortable. Yeah. And I think everyone needs to think about that figure. So we don't have to spend too long on it next week. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. We sure did. Okay. So the next item is the county road project update. I think that's going to give us some information. Yeah. The. Blue mountain construction. Trucking and excavating. I guess what it is. They ran into some problems when they were down in Broward. They had one employee walk off the job, which is one of their head operators. So they filled that seat with another employee. Moved on to the next job working their way towards Eastmont failure. And he got in a motorcycle accident and broke his leg. So. They were delayed again. So. Their plan is to show up next week. Midweek. And I don't believe they're actually going to start digging in front of Morse farm until after. The Labor Day weekend. So. That put the paving off, which is what no one wants to hear. Including myself. So. With that, we decided we might as well get our work started. So we did the Hooper. We started the Hooper hollow. Culvert today. And. I'm pretty comfortable saying we'll have the road open at the end of the day tomorrow. We actually have both pieces of pipe already laid in the road. So the old pipes out, we're down to the new depth of the new culvert had to be. And the new pipe is laid in. The bottom band is underneath it. The top band needs to go on it. And you see it just aligned just a little bit as the band gets tightened up. So. Hopefully by the end of the day tomorrow, the county will actually be back open. It won't be all the way through until. Thursday, like we had originally planned. So. So that one, that's actually coming along very nicely. And. So, like I said, with. Pikes and the paving going on there. They tried to contract someone to do chloride way back. Right when they ground it. And they couldn't find anyone to commit to the. Amount that they needed on the road. In a timely manner. So they had finished up on Thursday and when Wednesday came around of the next week. And the whole thing was rolled down pretty flat. There was no way chloride was really going to help at that point. There's no. Virtually no dust at that point. And so I told them hold off on it being the job was already had climbed significantly. In cost. Which was about a, I think somewhere around $60,000 in savings. So. Of course, every good salesman Tyson, he has thoughts of what we might want to consider. That money. If we are already considered a lot of money. Do we want to add to pavement? Do we want to do this or that with it? I. I'm open to what you guys's thoughts are. There is one thing that wasn't really added that has come to mind. And that is that. If you did want to spend that extra 60,000, there is a kind of an option C that I haven't mentioned. And that is that we could do all the aprons so we could do a new apron. A nice long one on Templeton. A nice one on powder horn and nice one on Cummings, because that one is really in rough shape. It's been bad for a long time. So there's some other places there where, and those three. Right there might eat up. 4050,000 by the time you go 5060 feet on each one of them. It's not in bad shape by any means. That's probably the best at any of them. The one on Templeton is completely gone. And the one on Cummings is very bad. Would they do both? Why? No, it would just be the straight shot to the city. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was reading, you know, option A, B, and now you can see, I don't really know what the best option would be not having any civil engineering background or anything. Like why would, why would we want to put more concrete for more payments or $100,000 or can you explain these options to us? It's a thickness. But why? I guess it would just wear better over time. And what about option the other option you wanted the. The aprons is where you pay off the main roads into the dirt. Okay. So you have to set the road. And you have to set the road and you have to go in the middle of the road from under the trees. And you have to use some of the engines on Cummings road. On to the town. Yes. Yes. Yes. So if you put Gagin in 50 feet, you have a better surface when they come. Thank you. It doesn't have what's hot oils on it and melt. And what that was this, what was the 60. I brand option. Was it. It's got about 40 or 50. We're saving about 62,000. 100 grand for the extra inch of. Oh, it was for half an inch. We're going to let you answer the question. So, yeah. To me, the quarter inch isn't worth the 60,000. In my opinion. If you're going to go thicker, then go thicker a quarter inch. Isn't going to be a huge factor. But, and there's about 12 to 14 inches of ground asphalt there right now. When we dug that today. There was 12 inches of ground asphalt and there was actually an inch or two of asphalt in the bottom that wasn't even ground. And they said they had that in a couple of the low spots when they were grinding the road. So I think there's plenty of base on the road to keep it together for the other 10 or 12 years at least. So I don't think the three inches is that big of a problem. I do think that generally with. If asphalt hadn't taken a massive price increase that prepaving as a whole hadn't that we would be looking at the four inches saying, well, maybe that's not such a bad option after all. But I, I can say that that's, I know that that's a big amount of money you don't want to throw out there. And the other thing is now that they're looking at paving more or less the first week of October, that we're going to maybe there's a chance that the prices will come back down a little bit. But that's, you have to work through all the material that was made during high fuel costs and whatnot. They're slowly starting to come back down. That's right. So, I have a question about the common road apron options. The option. I'm going to say options. Because the straight shot to county road is in my observations, the more heavily used part of that why they're, however, the why to the left, they're going north. County road. That one is steeper and it's in worse shape and sometimes in the winter. It's just so right of that it's really hard to get up there I'm wondering why you're suggesting that the straight shot only rather than that one to the north. The, the one to the north that you're talking about we don't even fly it in the winter. You don't do any maintenance to it is a nightmare from both directions with a flower truck. And by the time you start to get up in there or you start to come out of there with a flower truck you've got a car trying to run you over already. It's just absolutely horrible. And that's if you can swing the corner at the top, because you're swinging to the right and your clouds trying to dump all the snow to the right. So more or less when you leave the county road. On that northern apron, your entire all that snow from the road all the way up around the entire corner, you're already going straight before you start dumping any to sell off your plow. It literally will fill the plow so full that you won't even be able to go. So the only I think I've clouded maybe three times in the last five years in the winter and usually you take the loader down and maybe clean it up with a pickup or something like that when it's absolutely horrible. But if I had my way I just say don't do it at all. It'd be great if the intersection or up the hill another 50 feet you could just do away with that whole that whole northernly apron. I believe we've talked in the family about getting rid of the Y and just making a right angle intersection with county road there. But that would probably be a fairly expensive project. Yeah, fair to say, I think that you'll run into some fairly solid earth down in there a little ways to which more modern equipment deals with a lot better than back on that road was originally put in either. We wouldn't have to probably wouldn't have to blast it would probably be able to jack hammered out with a big machine. But that's probably not going to happen this year. Right. Right. So let's discuss the money. So we've got an extra 62,000 shorted in the budget but not really in the budget because we're already over it. We could just constant savings, take that savings, or we could put in the aprons, or we could put into the thickness of the asphalt which we don't really need because if everyone understands the bull magging, there's a foot of ground up asphalt already on the road. So that's the bull magging, it's ground up asphalt. So we have a really good base, the three inches is quite adequate. We have 62,000 that didn't spend that far right. So what do you want to spend it on? We could spend it on aprons because county doesn't save it. I honestly, sorry to interrupt again, but I honestly think if you did Templeton and Cummings just those two, you didn't even worry about powder horn because I don't really think it needs it. I honestly don't think it would be more than a 30, 35,000. Those would be nice long aprons. That's what we should do. Sure. Yeah, how do you determine what length of apron is the right length? Well, if you guys want to discuss that you can. Usually it's somewhere between 30 and 60 feet depending on the angle. That's kind of one of the factors. If the road squares up pretty good, you can get away with a shorter one. It's nice to have all the wheels of your vehicle on asphalt when you're pulling out onto an asphalt road. And it makes maintaining it a lot easier. The tracking of the salt off the road in the springtime. It helps with all of that. Plus the road's not getting the energy that you're turning on to it because what happens is you walk the dirt road, they start spinning their tires, they damage the side of the road. So this would preserve all the money you're investing in the county road in that area, I'm just adding on. So the idea is that you put the transition between the pavement and the asphalt at a place where there's a straight stop, whether in both directions, and therefore, people are not going to be digging up either one of them too much with their wheels with accelerations. And it moves that transition point up the road a little farther as well where you're going from an asphalt to a gravel road, which usually will create a pothole automatically. So if you have the opportunity to be able to put it into Cummings Road, meaning dig the road down eight, 10 inches and put the asphalt buried into the road and then resurface over the top out onto the new asphalt, you can kind of layer it in there as a new, as a new face to face. And it will hold up pretty good most of the time. Cummings Road will be a little bit tricky just because of the slope. Right. Okay, so I think we're on board. Yeah. For Cummings Road. Yeah, do we need anything? I don't think we do, do we? I think we just need to get pricing, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And then we'll come to you as, you know, a change. Okay. We'll hear your recommendations about the length for each of those aprons of the time. It just happens. It's going to be the length. Yeah, if they've got an extra two or three tons of material in the end of the truck, it's not like they're going to haul it away. They're just going to add on to the apron a little bit most every time. So. And that might be four or five feet. I'd like to ask you a couple questions about the project. Because I guess there's been a lot of complaints about dust and plot holes in the county road. Yeah. That was an issue for a while, but there's really one household. Okay. So are we just telling them that we're going to get to it as soon as we can and over projects and delay and blah, blah, blah. Right. Right. Correct. Or are you using the special yourself or just coming to the town office. Gina or the town office have been answering all of that. I haven't actually been faced with any flat. For the most part, if there's, I'm not responding of course to all the people coming on for a form right now for anybody on which form, but for any calls, maybe I got a call today. I mean, there's usually one or two a day. Just telling them I'm sorry, you know that. I mean, I don't know what people look at this should have someone's tire is me. I have not had a flat tire. My wife drove it last week, all five days back and forth morning and night, because she was attending a class. Never with a flat tire. So, you know, I am frankly, I come from a land of concrete. So I've kind of been asking I asked John when I got the first called and I did the fire department, meaning, is this a thing that happens here, because I don't know. I mean, I, you know, I, and honestly, I come from a place where construction is happening everywhere. It definitely does seem like we are dealing with a lot of people that are not used to a road being under construction. Unfortunately, I kind of play from place where the road is always under construction all the time. So, you know, we could do that. It's not foreign to me, you know, so, you know, really quite now, I mean, Guthrie played the gravel because of poppals, you know, there were some, he not only, we only got actually one very rather polite call of the roads getting a little lumpy, the road crew really noticed that it was getting in a certain spot. So that's why the gravel was, was put down. So, you know, I, you know, I'm going to watch for him today said that it was some kind of material though that it was some kind of granite shards rather than gravel that they're calling it a sharp. Okay, so that's just what you're saying. Yeah, we didn't put any granite on the county road. The gravel on the county road. What was there was quarried ledge. And it can be sharp. I'm not going to deny that at all. But you'll never get anything to lay down as smooth on a road like that, where it's already a hard pack surface. We put some chloride to it, got some water on it, and then Mother Nature really helped us out, which was awesome. And that finally got it all to lock right up and pack down. What I consider pretty much the best you're going to get. There's virtually no dust on it again. And there are a few little strips of rocks in some spots. And if you really pay attention to your wheels where they're traveling, or most other traffic is traveling, you're not going to be in the loose stones. So today we had the road closed and I was mind boggled by how many people came all the way to the job site. And then on the at the temple thin road. We actually had to put our road close sign up three times between 1030 and 130. It got taken out of the road completely. Yeah. So you think that I'll be, I mean, I just thought the front porch forum post is a little bit. I think I saw like five people said that they have flag hires. Is this something that that people can expect to happen or is there something wrong with the tires or something. I'm just wondering. Yeah, I do think that some of it is that there's probably some old tires out there they're not very soft and they don't take the sharper stones well. Then it was people slowed down for like the first week and they are over it. They are traveling 45 miles an hour still and it's anywhere where there's some gravel where it was rough. There's definitely the if you're move over into those loose stones you're going to be throwing stones up you're moving the stones. When you start rolling the stones the front tires you're going to be rolling onto stones that aren't laying flat anymore. Many people should know that they need to drastically slow down their speed on that. The speed limit 40 and I've, I don't like going more than 3035 max on it right now. That's just my opinion. So here we can put that on the front porch forum. Slow down. I have to do that given that halls and what's already happening on her porch. Okay, so whatever happens in that area, but I just want to ask you a question about the contractor. Is he really going to be here and get it done by September 1, later than any and all that. Because that is a crucial thing that's got to get done before taking his stuff. Yes. I fully believe he will be here. If he's not here by the end of next week and I'm probably going to go to Rye gate and start driving equipment for him to get it here. So, it's, I can't picture him not being here. So, do you think that anyone should follow him and just say, what are you so confident that you're pushing hard enough. And he's aware of our got to be out of the stream date, and he's aware that we had agreed to Morris farm. We'd be out of there by September 15 was last year. So, and that would still give us two weeks of travel on those projects to get those. I'm just wondering if you would want one of us to make a call to him to ensure that he's here. If you feel 100% comfortable, he's going to be here and confident. I won't bother suggesting that. But if you're thinking that guy needs a little more push, I'm willing to do that. I'll give him a call again tomorrow I've been talking to him about once a week. And, and see where he's at. If anything has changed, then I will for sure, sick you guys on to him. Okay, okay, because I agree completely that we're on the other end of the timeframe. Originally we were going to be way early. Yeah. So, we're just myself, if you want to give me a phone number and push it by if necessary. Okay. I was just going by. Thank you. Anything else that any of you have come across. I'm looking through my notes, I think we covered it all. Thank you. Yeah, and just keep it to the loop when the cost of the aprons and then also the cost of the whole project, of course, may change. Can you just circle back. Can you clarify? Templeton Road, you said there's a road closed sign there from Templeton going on the county road. Is that correct that we close, we close County Road at Templeton today. Okay. What was the condition of County Road, the section that was closed. It was closed because they were doing the culvert work. Yeah, okay. But could people pass you while you were doing the culvert work? No. No. It was. Half feet to the bottom of the hole. Yeah. Coming to the construction site and then finding they could get by and then turning around, but they moved the sign. Yeah. Okay. And even with the signs up on the other end, they were driving all the way to the driveway before the job site. I mean they were within 75 feet of the town pickup when they were turning around. They didn't believe the sign obviously. They didn't believe the one at Center Road, and then they didn't believe the one at Barnes Road. And they, they believed it when they couldn't get through. That's crazy. Okay. Thank you. Wow. Okay. And we can either if the board would like to authorize me to sign the asphalt pool and labor cost adjustment. That's the $194,510.94. And then we also, I also have a change order that is the cost reduction for eliminating the calcium chloride. We can either do those now or we can wait up for it until I'm assuming type will be who would be the aprons. We can wait. I don't know if Pike is going to be able to do the aprons or not. We will see. They might contract it through someone else. That would be my guess that's what they'll do. Okay. So I don't know if you want me to authorize the authorize me to sign these change orders that I received from height. The apron would be a separate separate issue. Yeah, we may as well authorize it now. Those kind of are with you. Thank you. Thank you. I think that covers my end of business. Let me know if you get the road open tomorrow. So I can call Michelle with the school. So that would certainly help them. The school buses. Sorry. Because Wednesday's first. Already. I don't know how to find you. Yeah. She doesn't have a hard time finding me in. Jen runs a busing company. She. She found me. So. She found me Friday. She found me Sunday. Close contact with the school. So it starts on Wednesday. So. Yeah. I didn't want to send them a message and get their hopes up today. By midday tomorrow. I'll give them the good news that they'll be able to go through. You can get there. You can go up center road. You can go up County road from all failure. It's not closed until Hooper's hollow. Technically. But if you need the detour to go around, if you were going to travel the whole length of it, you'd have to go center road to Templeton road. Yeah. By midday tomorrow. I'll give them the good news that they'll be able to go through. So we can get to the county road. To the. Moises. Sugar shack by going down the center road. And then up through. To do that. You can get there. You can go up center road. To the Templeton road. Yeah. Right. Okay. And right now buses can get from downtown Montpelier to Morsefarn. The Colbert road work that you're doing is north of Morsefarn. Yep. It's north of all the other Colbert work that's going to be done. Yeah. Yeah. It's in between Powderhorn and Cassavan. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Have a nice evening. So now the update. For the fire department. Yeah. John. I provided you the financial aid. Yeah. Yeah. John wrote. It just. A few things they talked about. One of these is one of the last ones. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It just, it just had to be a few things they talked about. One of these is one of the less know that they still are continuing to get a pretty good number of cold calls. And there and really the new variant is primarily, I guess what, what the calls are related to. And it said they were kind of surprising. And they also went out to say that they were spending a considerable amount of time doing this affection and that sort of thing of their, of the units that they're using. So they just want us to know that. They also want to imagine there are three recent structure fires in Calis and would vary pretty major ones. And I guess that's really allowed them to see that, that everybody in the whole region short staff for volunteers. And that what happens is that what it wouldn't, like all of these one player heads up, you know, would vary the cover call or Calis to cover a call, then very town comes in and covers covers our, our fire station. And then the same thing happens when a hundred comes up and, you know, we're very goes out and everybody else. So anyway, they're just saying that they're really short staff now. And that they want to start proceeding with some plans to try to high student combat the work, you know, to volunteer and also to keep some of their current anguished EMS employees as well. And they can bring us to do. So we'll, I'll just mention that again later. So they said mutual aid calls are going to increase because on the short staff and they're going to get calls from Berlin are going to get calls for you to go to very town or Plainfield to fire. Because there's so short staff. We had like 12 people going out. But now you get three. So there are some issues there. They want to begin a public campaign to acquire staff. So they are going to leave us to town to consider increasing the firefighter stipends for going to the fires, going to meetings and things like that. They also want to increase the wage scale to the paramedics to retain the tracking staff because they're competing with everybody else. So this is basically the same people. They said they're open to, I, they're open to new ideas that somebody can think of some way to get staff. You know, there's kids out there, there's students out there that are working in universities and colleges around who might be taking a healthcare degree or so high. They say, you know, if you're interested in learning, you know, about paramedics show up. So they're open to new ideas that we can come up with. On the annual service finished 7,000 under budget and due to COVID vaccine supplemental pay, they made, they brought in an extra $7,000. What is called a vaccine supplemental pay? What they put on the clinics and in the state reimbursed the town above and beyond what it costs for the, not the town so much, but the fire department for what it costs and hourly to, to provide those, those facts. So they need some money on the clinics. Yep. And the fire department, I just want to note here was 22,000 over budget, but they had, they said it was related to the well pump replacement. They did some resealing of payment in the parking lot. It looks pretty nice actually. They had an inspection for life safety equipment, and they had to make some changes in improvements to life safety equipment that they have. They purchased new pages, increased fuel costs, and replace the LED lights, much LED lights, I think in high bay lights or whatever in the, in the garage. And they just want us to know that they did over 700 calls about the ambulance and fire department. And then once again, I just put in there to move that, but they, I guess they're going to be putting into their budgets and increases and, and put them in paramedics. And they're looking for increase cycles. They asked us to like form to consider if there were any ideas you had tax credits or something to help the types and volunteerism, basically. But then the discussion kind of came up that unfortunately there's also not necessarily a lot of homeowners. That, you know, if that's all we could really control, you know, that, um, actually living in a small pillar and are working there, or the house, because house was obviously there as well, and that are working there, but just, just ideas with anybody have any really. I know that in the past legislative session as part of the workforce development efforts of the legislature, there was money put aside for apprenticeships, apprenticeship programs. So I'm wondering if that can be used to train new EMTs or new firefighters. So that might be something they could look into and explore. Um, Yeah. Yeah. So I expect it going to be coming to me sometime along, just to talk to us about it. Yeah. Because we get closer to budget development. Yeah. So that's it. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Great report. And just, just to clarify on the lighting, I think it was clear as your report, but I just want to make sure people understand, if I understand you correctly, that they are replacing non-LED lighting with LED lighting. Yeah. Yeah. The LED light tends to last for a long time. Right. Okay. And it's a lot more efficient. Exactly. Yeah. The problem with the LED lighting is you've got to replace the whole light. Yeah. Yeah. Not just the bulb. No, you don't have to do that actually. Actually all the LED lights, they all depend on the light. Because I know I went to Costco's. I bought four foot lamps and they don't go right there. They're all designed to go in with the work. Yeah. First house. LED fixture. The way you're doing is replacing the four essence with LED. Right. You put right in there. If you go out and you buy LED fixtures, the bulb is all made with the light. Oh yeah. You have to take the whole fixture out. That's the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. It's not a good deal. Because the fixtures are expensive. Right. You can buy a lot for us and like to take a lot like this. It's a lot of work to put in also. And you can switch out the lamps where they would fit. Yeah. And you can't build a new building by LED lights. Yeah. Anyway, so I don't, I think they changed a lamp, so I don't think they changed fixture. They might have just changed the bulbs. Yeah. What you could do. That's what you don't say. If there's much money you could do it that way. Cause you should take the balance. In the wire. We want to see the. Just saying that. I don't know how to do that. What is it? Yeah, well, a lot of it is here taking a lot longer. Oh, yeah. Okay. We'll see. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. We're still waiting on the adjusting entries. We're working with the auditors. You'll be getting another report. This is just to drive for where you stand today. You'll be getting another report once we finalize the entries at the next meeting. So. Is there anything that is concerning? Nothing. I guess we're way behind time. We can just keep going. Okay. Tax collector reports. Yes. Oh, see. So. All our names are good. So. Okay. Okay. I guess we're, we're way behind time. We can just keep going. Okay. Okay. Tax collector reports. Yes. Oh, see. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. All the names are good. It's not really fun. I mean, because I have been requested. It's a nice thing to do. So. We're at $139,000. $874. Essentially, there are 10 taxpayers that are more than one year to look at the two of those are estates. One of the estates is kind of paying as he, as it can never state. Michelle, Michelle has actually spoken with the attorney and they're. You know, currently working through things. So she's keeping tabs on that. Really for the rest of them, the balances are all. Not very large. So essentially she's still digging into this and will likely bring if there's any action she wants to take. We're going anywhere in addition to the board at that time. So we're looking at here. We're looking at here. We're looking at here. We're looking at here. We're looking at here. We're looking at here. We're looking at here. The total is all these years. 19, 19, 19, 20. 21. Now what is the historical. On. Figure. At the same time. Yeah. You have that in your. And if they didn't select. Oh, I didn't look at that. Six years of historical. Oh, here we go. Yeah. We're actually kind of below the normal for this time. Yeah. Yeah. Last year was actually one word. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty average. Yeah. Yeah. So the one is 21 and 22, the $91,000. Is that that? No. No. No. This is one person. No. Okay. That's just a year. Yeah. Okay. All right. Good. Yeah. Really Michelle's. You know, taking into these. Get her information about them. She will. Decide at some point if there actually needs to be taken. Yeah. Okay. We'll. We'll hear about that in your time. Okay. Next one. External audit. Follow up questions. So the auditor. I did provide you the email that they sent. Some of them. Yeah. I have answers to. Some of them I need help from the select board and some of them are decisions. The decisions of the select board needs to make. Okay. On item number one, there was a balance of $66,000. It was actually from 2021 that carried into 2022. And it's related to the village sidewalk project. So I did reach out to the grant administrator for that. Just to confirm that there were no additional funds coming in or not. So this balance really should have been clear. Probably. Early on in 22. Well, I think the project was closed that maybe in January, but just wasn't something we had. I had ever discussed with anyone previously. We're all done with that. There are no expenditures over hanging possible. These are the expenditures that are over. Not that I'm aware of now. Now there was zero activity. No bills paid. We are all 66,000. Did we have 66,000 of expenses that we incurred? Yeah. That were never reimbursed. Correct. And there's no money coming for them. So I'm not sure why the balance wasn't written off before. Okay. I say written off. I speak old terms, but. Why we didn't clear. This find that these expenditures, what exactly makes up these expenditures? I honestly. Our reporting does not lend itself to. To understanding that very clearly. No. Correct. Yes. There's no reimbursement. This is essentially a deficit that is sitting there. We need to clear. Yeah. So you're looking for a motion from the select. Or to cover the expenses with that open. Correct. Okay. So we'll. Second. Second. Oh, discussion. Good. What are you saying? Oh, okay. They say, hi. Hi. Now I have it. They do have it. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. The next one is the record. Restoration. We kind of knew this. We had discussed that we could use the general fund to cover this. I think this was probably back maybe in May, sometime. The board, just, or the auditors just want to know, do you in fact want to cover that with the general fund obviously a potential use of ARCA funds. If we wanted to further the deficit to next year official year 23, we can revisit this later. So I think we had previously talked about that we would cover this with general funds. So I deferred to the board, that's still what you want to do to confirm that. Or if you wanna say, let's leave the deficit, we can sit on it and potentially use it the ARCA funds for it. Yeah, why don't you do that? I mean, we don't wanna spend money that we don't have to spend. We can just call the deficit and cover the ARCA funds later. That would be good. Yeah, we can put that for a suggestion to the townspeople in there. Yeah, well, yeah. And that will be an additional cost that we have yet. There's gonna be some more. Yeah, so I think it, I actually think it's helpful for us to just sit on the deficit and maybe wait and see what. I do too. Get the full cost and then we can determine that amount and then, yeah. And then we can throw that in and that's one of the things that we could spend money on. Yeah. Okay. Another one of their questions was the East Silk Trees that I know the answer on. For they question the capital expenditures that were there on page 42 of the town report. I did provide you guys some of the copies, but essentially we had expenditures budgeted for the municipal building, the town garage and the emergency services facility. And essentially they were just asking, you know, we didn't spend really much of anything there. So what was there? Was there a plan that didn't come to fruition? I don't, yeah, both the town garage and I think my understanding is I think these were funds that were kind of put in the budget, but I don't think there was ever really a detailed plan for how to spend it. They're just kind of a board test. Are we talking about the maintenance? No. No, no, no, no. This is the capital. Oh, capital. This was the capital planning budget. Oh, we just have a, we just have a, yeah, right. Yeah. So I don't, yeah. We didn't spend any of it. No, that's what you're talking about. That's what I'm saying. But we're building, like you said, a board test for these facilities when they need more work. Instead of spending this there to dedicate funds. Yeah. Do they not have a copy of our capital plan? Because that has, you know, because I recall the years that we plan to be making expenditures. We used to have expenditures planned for fiscal 22 that were not spent. Oh, okay. We did not send them. We just rolled over. That's why they understand, you know, maybe expenses was delayed. They get some of those things for this. Their question was, and I don't have a history of this, was there something specific? There was 19,400, for example, allocated to be spent on the municipal building. Yet nothing was spent. Was there something planned that was delayed by the specific reason that I don't think there was? No. In my conversations, it doesn't, I don't think there was any specific. And John's a representative of the capital plan. Yeah. So you got that. You good on that one? Yeah, I think so. Number five. I think I can handle that one. That's being handled separately outside of, we just need to work on our procedures and to release the, and Michelle's already, she's actually working with MD and the town auditor. They're going to be working on establishing a better process or procedure for dealing with money from the recreation board. So the remaining ones, while mine is kind of a seven, they asked about the reappraisal, but I've communicated with the listeners on that as well. This is a CLA? CLA? Yeah, probably, yeah. So, so why do we do that? Right. Only if we're forced to accept it. Yeah. Which Deb seems to think we're going to be pretty close to that. I think by the end of 24, we could be so I don't mind the number that I will. Yeah, it might come down to a long distance, yeah. So for item six on their list, eight, nine and 10, these are all funds that we have, the Forest Fund, the Veterans Memorial Fund, the Rally B Fund and the Land Conservation Fund. And their question basically is, do we have any plans to spend the money in this fund? Well, the land conservation one is easy. We have, since then all the time that I've been in town, we have a land conservation fund and that is used for when there are opportunities to conserve land. And I would think that until an opportunity presents itself, the money sits there and. Right, and sometimes we add to it at some meetings and sometimes we say we have enough. So does the town want to buy a land to conserve, no. The town has a history of paying for some portion of conservation easements on land in town. And we have a conservation advisory commission to recommend to us future projects. Basically what happens is land trust fund come in and they say, will you commit X amount of money to this project in this matching funds, basically giving 10,000 dollars to 40,000 bucks and making up 300,000 bucks. Yeah. So that's what we have a fund in it because you never know what the question is. Yeah. Seed money. Yeah. But you have to have money, yeah. I'm curious, how much do we have in that fund? And the land conservation is 20,600 or maybe. Not much. Not a lot. None of these are, it's not like we're sitting on masks. But I mean, there's not minimal, you know. What? We're elevating, we're elevating. But you know, the forest fund is 27,000. You know, so I'm just bringing this because I don't know what the, you know, intent was really with these funds. So it seems to me, I rally gave from what I understand was an event that used to occur, it was kind of a family fund day per se. Yeah. And I understand that one reason it hasn't happened was simply because no one was really, nobody was interested in planning. So I don't know, I don't know that it's hurting anything for us to have the money still there. Should this, what is it like $500? It's $670. So I don't know that any of this, I think in an appropriate response to them could be just that, yes, these funds are here. No, there may not be anything specifically targeted for now. I mean, I can come up with words. But just wait. But you know, for rally day, for example, was a family event that used to occur, hasn't happened in a number of years. But I mean, out of COVID, there could be a new energy around potentially bringing this back. And it's something that the board would like to leave here to, I'm kind of saying things I would say. Sure. Sure. My honor, Gina speak. But you know, to me, that's what it seems like these funds are kind of for the veterans Memorial Fund. What's that? That sounds like a serious question. Was that one of the memorials that we just had or it's been made one or? Let me see. Michelle found some grave, veterans graves or something like that. Well, Michelle found some info on these for us and speaking with Don. And this is what I have written for that fund. Money left over in 1991 when the new memorial was set up outside of town, it was deposited into this memorial account for use to keep the memorial maintained in the future. And how much is in there? I don't know. It is $1,400, just under $1,500, $1,450. So if you ever did need to make a repair today. So it could be. I mean, to me, you don't know what could happen at some point that you can never imagine a repair to something like that could get cost very quickly. So that's how I get it. Is there a reason why we would keep that separate from our world capital fund? Good question. Well, it's not a capital expensive to do a maintenance, is it? I thought a lot of our... Well, I guess I guess we're going to get there. Yeah, something like that. I think you could, yeah. You could tweak it out of there if you named it in the fund. You have to name it in the fund. Yeah, I'll have to have a set of it, right? Yeah. That's all you have to do. I mean, there's no way I'm leaving it, yeah, but there's no way I'm putting the capital fund in again. I guess it gets interesting where it is, though. Yeah. I mean, just... It's not likely to get used right off, but it is there in the community. It's probably going to be smart just to put that as a land in the capital fund. That's what I'm going to name the capital one. I'm going to say a lot cleaner. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. No? I mean, a lot of times, they don't want to have all these different funds because money can get filtered easier this way. Or we have it in the capital fund like that. They probably can still get filtered, too. Yeah, that's still the same thing. Yeah, we've got a big column on it. They just don't like to see a bunch of different funds. I have to separate, yeah. I mean, if you put it in the capital fund, it's going to be a big part of money. And you have a lineup. Yeah. Should we do that with this one? Just put that on it. Well, it's talking about the forest fund as well. I don't recognize that one either. What that's been used for. I think that was money that we got from log. It is. Yeah. That's what that was. Yeah. So have we historically extended it on anything for the town of forest? I don't know. I don't think so. I mean, thinking about the town of forest, it doesn't really require a meeting. So you do plant trees? Well, we just had a forester come in and plant trees and cotton harvest. I don't know what the status is right now on the farm. Does it cost anything to have it marked and harvested? Well, usually you take it out of the month, money to get in. Right. But sometimes when you're doing, you know, what's not maintenance, but it's just good practice of good forestry practices and you get a forester who's careful, then it can cost you more money than what you get for timber. So if you have a little bit of money to improve the forest, that could be helpful. Okay. These have clearly been around a long time. The information that Michelle found when we get references minutes from 1986. So I think a lot of these, it's the owners were asking questions on things that have been around for a long time. She's been there for a long time. So it's a good year to ask questions on things that have been around a long time. I don't know what you're talking about. We get asked all day about that. We get asked all day about that. Okay. I can, I can reach out to you. If we need any money for, what's the status on it? If we need to be taught, if we need to be marked. Yeah. We have a 10-year plan, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Yeah. Let me ask him. And then I think, I think we've agreed rally day to just stay as is because that there's the potential for that to come back at the future. I think. Land conservation, I think we agreed to remain as is because it's certainly something that could come up. And that's not even very much money. Yeah. For veterans, yeah, I think it's gone up to $40,000 or so maybe. It has been before, yeah. There's been times when you had to take $30,000 out of here. So I think for the veterans memorial fund, the question is, would you want to keep that there? Or would it be better to put it into general fund and just put a line on it? In the capital fund. Capital fund, not general fund. I'm looking at land. That's an accounting thing. Yeah. It's not really, yeah. It's not on your list because it's more of a question. We want to get interested if we can, right? Yeah, it's really just an entry to, it's a general entry where we allocate interest to the different funds based on the money sitting in the bank account. It was decided way back when not to, I think, buy between Don and Bruce to allocate to this. I think the reason for that was because the ARCA funds are so specific. So they wanted to keep those funds static. That makes sense. So the auditor simply asked why we did not do that. And that is the understanding of the statement with the on as to why it was not done. So I'm going to provide that explanation back to them. The auditor did tell me the town were all doing it differently. Some were allocating, some were keeping it static. So I think it's, because that was my question back to them for a lot of things as well. Tell me whatever time they're doing, you know, because they obviously audit a number of towns so they can help guide us on kind of what industry practice per se is. So I think that our reason to me, I kind of like the idea of our was staying the number that we know that it is and not changing. And honestly, it's not significant dollars interest rate around exactly the same. Right, right. Well, I think we've already established that we are taking more conservative process approach to the market funds and other funds. Yes, many are yes. Yeah. Okay. Are you done? Good question. So we do want to move then the veterans more to find some capital funds. We just need to ask questions that they've got a way to invest. Yeah. Okay. We're glad to do it. And we don't want the money just to go back. Yeah. No, of course. Yeah, okay. We don't want to stick in a general fund and call it good enough. No, no, no, no. You want to keep some money inside? Yes. Yeah. Well, it was probably an important project when it was done. So I think that's the reason, you know, probably it was memorialized and some funds of money set aside. So I might not have had a capital fund back then. Oh, good point. Okay, so I'd kind of like to move to the next slide. Yeah. Okay. Consideration of FY 2023 Municipal Grants and Aid Agreedments. Is that for erosion control? Well, I don't know. This is a hydrologically connected road. Yes, yes. So you just need us to authorize... Yeah, motion for me to sign the... So we accept it. We accept the grant and authorize it. Awesome. Perfect. So, okay. We got a second. So we're voting any second. So we're voting on the 2023 Municipal Grants and Aid $22,000 to conduct work to improve conditions on hydrologically connected road segments that do not currently meet the state's Municipal Roads General Permit Standards. Let's make that clear for the public. Yes. Yes, sir. All of the favor, please say aye. Aye. Did the ayes have it, but do you think or did you already vote? She froze. Oh, she froze. She temporarily froze. She's frozen. Judith, you're frozen. That was like a shorted your step. Judith, you're muted if you want to. Hi. She's muted. Still can't hear you. Internet's on the fritz. You need high speed. She's an underserved. She's underserved. Maybe we can... She's not. We had a vote yes. Okay. Thank you. We'll go back. It's passed unanimously. Motion for that by 2023 Municipal Grants and Aid Agreement. The next thing, I don't know. Especially in town may have been like COVID-19. Here at low. Right at low. Over at 65.06 for 100,000 population. Yeah. Five times. That's my share. Yeah. The latest that I've seen is probably five times that rate in actuality, which would be three times higher than the old measure for being at high for community transition. At least people are dying rapidly. That would be an awesome last thing I would. Very true. So I think it's smart to mask up in public places and I don't see appetite to enforce that. Require and the town office workers are comfortable not asking members of the not required members of the public to mask up. They have not expressed concern. They will tend to mask themselves if they are facing. Yeah. Okay. Okay. That case shared. I am bigger permits every time late wedding. And that we can approve the permit and authorize town for care to sign a request. This is for a wedding on Sibley Farm on September 24th, every 11 p.m. 130 people, 110 of them drinking alcoholic beverages. So we'll move to approve the permit and authorize the town clerk to sign a request. Second. I'll agree with that. All right. If you're to have it, do have it. Click the permit. Access permit. New curb cut with night road. She's a Jew. Yeah. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I will care. I'd like to ask you if I may recuse myself for this. Of course. Okay. I need to sit over there. That's right. We're going to follow up for a follow up. We'll not be involved. Any discussion or questions? We need information from you for telling me. We need information. What are we doing? So this is a curb cut for a subdivision that is on the agenda for a final approval at the next DRV meeting. There was a newbies doing the DRV agenda last time. So this particular subdivision went in for a two-step process when it could have been accomplished on a one-step process. But unfortunately, because it was noted as a hearing for last time as preliminary, it beats this time it's going in for final bringing it to the board because there were no concerns expressed at the last DRV meeting about the subdivision that will likely pass with no issues at the next DRV meeting. So I think that the select board are bringing the select board to review. And if you so desire, approve on the condition that it in fact, the subdivision is approved at the next DRV meeting on September. That's a question. Didn't we just look at this at the last time again? No. That's actually a experiment. All right. That was the AER experiment. Oh, okay. So it's 630 feet to the closest intersection and Rural Foreman Ferry has reviewed it and said that it meets town standards. And he has a question. Question trees would need to be cleared for line of sight. How is that going to happen? Yeah, who's doing that? May I answer? Yes. Yeah, you're good. You're going to run on the slide. Maybe I'll press hog it. It's not bad. Yeah, so. Yeah, it's going to get done. It's going to get done. Can we go up and inspect it? Come on. So if Rural Foreman Ferry is comfortable with it with this information that we have on it, I've moved, as you suggested, to prevent contingent on DRV approval to something. And I did note that it is, I did notice a four condition, that it's conditional on the DRV approval of permit 22-051. Very good. 051, 054, it says here. I may have written four in the... 052, it says on this. The permit, the permit is 5-2. Sorry, I may have written the wrong one on the... And 052, is that it? Yeah, it's 5-2. Okay, yeah. It's conditional on the approval of 22-051. That is the actual subdivision. Got it, got it. Okay, yeah, this is a 054. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, okay. Okay, and you made the motion? I think so. Yeah. Is there any second? I made two. Two seconds. Okay. And you have the permit application there. Both. Yes, it's beside the folder. So, we will have the three... We resold this side here. In attendance exact. Yeah. Yeah, only three though, because John can't sign it. You've got to fill it out. Yeah, I don't know. Correct. Okay, John. I move back to my seat. Yeah, you're on the slanted part of the floor. Oh, I just... I didn't see the slanted here. Oh, the slanted here? Okay, so we're going to pass around the access permit. And then you have the warrant in that. Yeah. Okay, so the access permit is... Is that right here? Yeah. Yeah. So today's date, 8.22. Correct. There's more on the warrant. Today's date is $1. No. Close your arm. It's okay. Yeah. You went until after the vote. Yeah. Hey. Thanks for the vote. Thanks. Thanks for the vote. Thanks for the vote. Thank you. Thanks. Thanks for the work. He just occurred to me now. I don't know why. He's running in money, of course. Oh, and I saw Amy's name right here. Stop. I wonder if this week Amy's name is up 25 bucks. It's great. If I had to take the chair, I would have forgotten. I would have forgotten. I'm curious. What is the third item? Are we on the warrants? What's the third item? Maybe I just can't read it correctly, but it's Avenue Insurance Avenue insights and analytics. Invoice description. I can't. I don't understand what the abbreviations are. What's that for? The records, right? That's the land records company. The digitizing? Yeah, Avenue. While on there are kind of ongoing systems. The software. Okay. Okay, so the paper. We're just sitting here going like this. I'm studying. Thank you. I don't know anything unless you do have anything else. I don't see anything. I don't see anything on your. I'm on the bottom. Okay, I would move that we go into executive session. Discuss personnel matters and theater. You can say thank you. Yeah. Wrap up the minutes. Okay. Was that second? All the favor. We will come out of executive session for work. We will come out of executive session and adjourn the meeting. Probably. We're out of executive section. No. It's. Yeah. 50. I move we adjourned. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All of the favor.