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It's called branding Okay, you're also an author your new book is 25 mystery science theater movies that changed my life in no way What so ever yes, and how can people buy this book they can get it at Amazon? And it's on paperback in Kindle there and also when I do shows Trace bill you and I do live movie riffing shows. We're going to be at the Logan theater in Chicago on December 9th, and I always have copies of the books with me that I sell and sign You're also the writer producer of Pothouse 90. Yes a new episode is coming soon. We just Just a few minutes ago. We recorded a segment with Mike McCrae as Barack Obama. It's a scripted Scripted radio plays that I produce and I do about one a year and this year's episode Hopefully will be it's almost done and hopefully you'll be out by before 2017 and you have a great Twitter feed and Facebook feed that people should Just stay on top of oh, thanks. Yeah, what's it like to be loved? I Don't know if Well, it's not enough to be loved. You've have to be well loved To paraphrase Willie Lohman. Oh, okay Dave Cyrus hello is a brilliant comedy writer Oh, thank you, and you've written on SNL. Mm-hmm and Triumph the incel-comic dog mm-hmm and brick stone is your alter ego. Yeah. Yeah, that was a YouTube thing I was doing up until I started working at SNL and who was brick stone Basically, I made a bad decision of using a different name for something that was now I realized not even close to being a character. It's just me being addicted to people I would just go to interview people started out as just as sort of just making fun of people like lie witness news though I was doing it before Jimmy Kimmel had that show And then it became mostly about me counter harassing hate groups Whenever I could get my hands on them whenever they would be nice enough to say where they're gonna be and when I would just go And I would just try to have a conversation until they got mad and left or we talked about Westboro Besides Westboro, what other hate groups? The the real street preachers Ruben Israel who is now a Trump surrogate They were the people who would tend to go to all the gay pride parades with the signs about you know Anal sex and you're all gonna go to hell that sort of thing and I've also done some stuff like that through Skype with conspiracy people when I would try to find the most Prolific conspiracy theorists on YouTube and try to make them look bad. Hmm. I've stood up to hate groups. Mm-hmm Thanksgiving dinner How was your Thanksgiving Frank? I had a lovely Thanksgiving with my brother Tony and my Sister-in-law Amy and my niece and nephew Asher and Emma and Asher is this and don't do that, please. Uh-huh because that makes noise. Mm-hmm Asher. Yes, my nephew and my is that an intermarriage. Is that a Jew? He they it is an intermarriage. Jew My sister-in-law is a Jew. Yes She is a member of the tribe. Mm-hmm. And did they celebrate Thanksgiving? They every day is Thanksgiving in a Jewish household Mm-hmm. I was telling Amy I feel like I am an honorary Jew well one because I'm a comedian and also because I love eating food And talking about it. Yes, and and talking was there a crazy uncle at your that was me Why as I was the uncle of my niece and now but I don't think they thought I was crazy they're both It was a lot of consensus about things That's boring. Who wants that? It was very boring Yeah, mine was mostly more left than usual this year less less people defending the Republicans than typically a Thanksgiving All right, let's get right to it. Let's just talk about it Mm-hmm and because it's important. How do my hair plugs look I have a class reunion tonight. No, um Okay, Trump the recount We got a why are the Democrats dragging there for Jill Stein who ran? Mm-hmm on the Green Party ticket is demanding a recount in Wisconsin, Michigan. Why the fuck is Jill Stein demand? Where was she before the election when she should have said okay? You know what? I'm dropping out everybody should vote for Hillary and now she's now she wants to help Hillary It just strikes me as a bunch of crap. It just seems like she suddenly realized Oh, I'm the most hated person in America right now. What can I do about that? Is she being Ralph Nader? Oh, yeah, well, she deserves it more than Nader does because really because Nader wasn't going around saying the kinds of things about Gore that Stein was saying about Clinton. That's a good point This is all new to me. She was saying that Hillary Clinton was more dangerous than Trump More of a Warhawk You know, she was she was bomb-throwing just like Trump does and just trying to say anything She could think of to get more people to just be disillusioned with the two-party system and you know have a protest vote for her Exactly, so I have more I have much more resent I mean look I resented the hell out of Nader in 2000 but I I think I had more anger at her because I thought Nader at least was being someone intellectually honest about why you should vote for him and He was also not doing things like she was doing like pandering to truthers and anti-vaccine people. Yes. Yes It's amazing. I paid zero attention to Jill Stein during this election as your most people zero attention I have a lot of anger at truthers Especially and I've been the more anger of people who don't believe that 9-11 was an inside job But we'll placate people who do all right. So fill me in Jill Stein Dr. Jill Stein On the Green Party Tell me about her why because I had zero interest in her. Well, I I think you had exactly the right attitude She was not Not a serious ever never a serious candidate Never and the Green Party is not really a serious. I Describe the Green Party as as cosplay politics. They're not they're not serious about Making change. I don't know what their motivations are but they take someone like Jill Stein who has Who I think she ran for? You know school board or something and they she a real doctor She is a real doctor, but they they run her as a presidential candidate. They don't they they they focus very little on Where they should be which is local elections, which is building their party from the ground up they and and One of the major sources of my resentment towards the Greens is they ran a candidate against Paul Wellstone in Minnesota, so I to me they're not serious to me. The Green Party is just a bullshit Party of people pretending to participate in politics. I'm sure that's not true of everyone in the Green Party but I on on all on the whole the Green Party is is Not I don't I don't take it seriously at all except that it can do harm to They can the only thing the Green Party ever achieves is doing harm to progressive causes had Jill Stein Go ahead. I was gonna say if yeah, if you think Paul Wellstone isn't left enough Exactly how you're talking. Yeah If any Democrat deserve the respect of the far left. It was Paul. Yes, exactly. He makes he makes a Bernie look like John Bircher Paul Wellstone was the senator from Minnesota who died in a plane crash. Yes And I think Walter Mondale took a seat. Well, he tried to take his seat I think he might have maybe had a temporarily, but he he He was not elected to succeed him and Coleman took the seat. I thought I'm not sure Well, I think that was Norm Coleman. Yeah, we then lost to Franken to Franken Had Jill Stein not been on the ticket in Wisconsin Would Hillary have won Wisconsin? I'm not that I that I think she got about 1% of the vote She got more votes than Hillary needed, but you can't either yeah And another thing too is I'm not the idea that Jill Stein that Hillary would have won if not for Jill Stein I don't know if that's true And it's not something that I'm focused that I that I am personally and focused on I feel like Jill Stein's harm that she did was before the election and Was kind of her overall vibe That that bugs me, but I haven't spent a lot of time thinking about whether she took the election from from Hillary or not Can I I know you're a big supporter of Hillary? Yes and to me Criticizing Hillary to Hillary which I have many times. It's not that I don't ever criticize. It's like criticizing the police and the military hear me out if You criticize the most powerful strongest people in our society the police and the military People will say oh, how dare you you know they they're the best we have the best we have to offer and these people give so much and you hate America and You what what really incenses me is of course the police and the military are heroes but don't portray them as weak and vulnerable and Not worthy of some criticism and the same thing goes with I find Clinton supporters is that Here she is she's like the military. She's like the police. She's the strongest most well-armed Person in America except for one thing what she's a woman. Well, hang on Hang on and so it's like anytime you criticize Hillary You people get so upset and you think well, wait a second Why should Hillary the police or the military get to None of them weak none of them should be beyond criticism and and play the weak card None of them should be beyond criticism in in Hillary's case It's it has something to do with the fact that for 25 years she's received nothing but unfair criticism from from the Washington establishment and And until she became the Washington establishment. I don't well, you know, she's she's no more the Washington establishment than Obama is, you know and So You know, she's just it has has had a constant 25-year barrage of Of unfair unfounded Accusations against her and it all the ground zero of it all is there being a woman and but that doesn't mean that if you're attacking her You're being misogynist, but that's kind of at the core of all of the hatred towards her and it and and what was that way? And this year was the accumulation That kind of you didn't think that after white water and and all the bullshit scandals That anything could top that but this year in a year when Donald Trump Was running for president the main thing that the media focused on and this is statistically true They covered this story more than every other story combined was combined with her emails, which was a bullshit Fake made-up scandal by the media and they covered it more than anything else So it's fine. It's it's it's valid to criticize Hillary about whatever you want to criticize her for But she's not she's a unique case So people like me who support her were always kind of on the alert for people making Not criticizing her but criticizing her for fake bullshit things which it seems like is most of the criticism she ever gets She's considered a scandal-prone Politician there has never been a Hillary's Clinton scandal ever not one. They're all bullshit. They're all fake They're all made up Hillary's biggest problem is the fact that when her husband's career started He was so charismatic that people who were trying to take him down realized he is untouchable But his wife is a perfect target and that that was the catalyst It was this guy is so I mean Bill Clinton was just amazing and making you like him Yeah, and he still is yeah, and they were just like, you know what people aren't gonna buy it But they look at this but she was at the time just perfect just a feminist in the 70s You know just so ideal to start lining up ways of not knowing her proper place in the world And I will say there's an attitude that attacking Hillary during the presidential campaign Was akin to being in World War two and throwing rocks at your own side because that guy fucked my wife, right? Okay, listen, I voted for Hillary. I wanted Bernie. Mm-hmm. I don't know if Bernie could have beaten Trump I don't know. I will never know for sure. The polls indicated that he would but no Well, you can't go by polls that happened before the during the primary They're irrelevant now the polls said that Hillary was gonna win the election And I would say that if Bernie was running against Trump Trump would have said every day Oh boy, I'm glad Hillary didn't make it. She would have been a lot tougher than this old moron Like we have no idea the level that they would have destroyed his character and talked about him being a communist Oh all the ways that they could have attacked him You know, it's very easy to look at that now I mean look that the Republican Party was lionizing Bernie Sanders as a way of undermining Hillary So it's so hard to know how that would have gone. Yeah, I would have been happy with him as president I would have voted for him. I would have I would have been happy to vote for him and I And I applauded his behavior in the general election unlike a lot of Bernie supporters who didn't follow his lead Bernie was You know, he campaigned for Hillary he he made speeches on her behalf he supported her just as I said all year that the only Really effective third-party candidate This year was Bernie Sanders and the reason why he was an effective third-party candidate was because he ran as a Democrat Let me let me offer this up About America First of all Hillary won By more than two million votes. Yes, so this autopsy that the Democrats are conducting What did we do wrong? You didn't do anything wrong other than make sure the votes got counted in the swing states and This idea of reexamining identity politics is is a fool's errand because identity politics still works It is irrelevant to the white men and the rust belt, but our side won their side Made it impossible for people of color to vote right and or and have their votes Counted they should be running the Academy Awards the Republican Party. They're so good at keeping black people from voting but I Askers yeah What I do think That Trump and he lost He lost he got less votes. Yes, that fewer votes big buddies He's our next president because of a system put in place hundreds of years ago by slave owners So he gets to be president and he won the and he lost the Electoral College if people We're allowed to vote. This is not what America wants. This is not who we are. No more Democrats Got votes for Congress than Republicans But because of gerrymandering we have a Republican Congress. This is not who this country is If we're gonna do an autopsy though on Somebody who's still alive the Democratic Party because I don't think You know the Republicans have their autopsy in 2012. They really were dead and We're not dead but the mistake we might have made by not running Bernie is One thing about this country is in love of countries you have to have faith in our country and I think Nominating Hillary Clinton Was a lack of faith really? Yeah, because this country is all about the new new ideas We have a revolution in this country every two years with Congress like a new Congress and Every everybody says this is a different presidential election. This is this time. It's different. Yes, every time we have a new president It's different. We want a clean slate and we like to gamble We have faith enough in the system that we're willing to gamble on Trump Mm-hmm, and I believe Barack Hussein Obama mm-hmm, Barack Hussein Obama Could have given us Bernie Sanders. I think that this country is Bold enough and daring enough to elect a 74 year old socialist but not bold and daring enough to elect a woman apparently, you know I think it's great to have a woman president But that's identity politics and if it's But you just said that we should that there's nothing wrong with identity politics, I there's nothing wrong with it, uh-huh, but Was she the right woman? Um, I Think so better than Elizabeth Warren. I think she's a better candidate than Elizabeth Warren I think she'd be a better president than Elizabeth. I agree with you, but if you can't win Well, she did win. Well, yes, she did. Are you saying that the only reason Obama win did so well is because you Can't be a moderate Democrat unless you have some kind of crazy name that the idea that like because he was Barack Hussein Obama That made people okay with well, then again, no because at the time of moderate Democrat after Bush was a break from from the norm Right, uh, George W. Bush made Barack Obama possible and and and Donald Trump will probably in 2004 hopefully in 2018 and then 2020 will will Make people possible who weren't possible before That's a potential positive Result, but I I don't like the idea and a lot of progressives say this that a lot You know Ralph Nader kind of had the attitude to the electing bush was better because it was in 2000 because it would It would tear down the system and it would create would create a Explore I'm not willing to see The the amount of suffering that happened under bush and the amount of suffering that's going to happen under trump is to me too High price of pay To get a good candidate the next time around the suffering that took place under bush lies at the feet of the democratic party Really, yes, not stop for not standing tom dashill was the senate majority leader when he got the war authorization tom dashill was A democrat the democrats had a majority in the senate In 2002, uh, okay It was an all tom dashill had to do Was say no All hillary hillary clinton had to do with iraq was say no those tax cuts That went through under george w bush could have been stopped by the democratic party the same way The republicans stopped a lot of The democrats the democrats are culpable in the iraq war absolutely as Was uh the media at the time Bush bush and chainy couldn't have done it On their own they got the media behind them and they and the democratic leadership Was filled with fear and they went along with it because of 9 11 and absolutely the democrats made the mistake Of not questioning 9 11 when it happened Had it happened under clinton The republicans were i'm all for an adversarial system. I believe You know, I hate lawyers, but if you're going to have a trial You need one side fervently fighting for its side and I said during the uh, obama administration About all the uh republican obstruction, which I didn't care for but When people on like the radio shows I were on would would criticize them. I would say yeah, but Obstruction isn't necessarily a bad thing. Um, the democrats needed to be more obstructionist Right during bush's presidency, and I hope That the democrats will be incredibly obstructionist. They're not going to be I well I'm gonna I'm gonna be part of the chorus that's gonna try if if chuck schumer Is gonna work with um Collaborate you mean collaborate with trump. Um It'll be a really a messed up thing bernie is saying to collaborate. Yeah, well bernie. Yeah, but but oh that that's that's giving him a news Though that's just say that's just giving trump a news because we all know he doesn't mean He's not really gonna spend three trillion dollars on infrastructure. So for the democrats. This is a perfect time for us to Say yes, we fully support this so that we can give him enough rope because we know it's not going to happen And then we can well what the republican congress tried we tried to help but the republican congress can make it happen though They won't you know, but they never will they hate infrastructure. What the republicans? They don't want to spend money on oh, maybe that but we're in serious trouble in this country because Trump is very charming Really? Oh, come on. He's funny. He's charming. He gave that interview with the new york times earlier this week Which they were all laughing at the the transcript They and the new york times by the way They're very culpable in the in the trump presidency and they're all and speaking of treat normalizing him and treating him as Someone that reasonable people should work with the times is is is at the forefront of that despite the best efforts Of uh charles blow and paul krugman. Okay. I will defend the new york times the way you defend hillard. Let me get back to Trump and the dangers of trump and why the democratic party is really Just disappointing and danger danger to our republic We need a two-party system in this country and the and the democrats Are rolling over They are rolling over and what I was saying is that that trump met with the new york times And I smiled and he backtracked on everything Everything he's not going to lock hillary up global warming might be man made You know, but that's because at that moment he was in the room with exactly right that saying that Would would would make them like he's he's like that when he was with the mexican president He didn't talk about the wall or anything right when he was in that church With that woman who confronted him I forget the whole story, but he was very um gracious to her He's a coward. He doesn't confront people Um who are stronger than who are stronger than him Which is why at that uh at that other media meeting apparently he yelled at jeff is uh jeff's uh zucker jeff zucker Because jeff zucker is a weakling Who put kori lindowski and jeff relord and all these trump surrogates scotty nel use on his Network did everything he could Yes, who did everything he could To suck up to donald trump and that donald trump doesn't respect that that that makes that person a weak person that he can yell at Right, that's just why you have to stand up to him. Yes time stamp this episode. This is the weekend after Thanksgiving Right, this is black. We're we're launching this on the Thanksgiving day weekend Uh, okay, uh, hang on for one second time stamp this donald trump Is a failure As a man as a human being as a businessman. He has zero money zero competence. He's a huckster He is a failed businessman who turned to politics the same way george w bush Turned to politics because he was a failure as a businessman there is going to be a terrorist attack in this country big time because Trump surrounds himself with sycophants as opposed to competent people who care about government So there's going to be a terrorist attack and what happens when there's a terrorist attack in this country The democrats and the media get scared and they rally around The flag and the president And that is the time when you don't do that right that is when you ask the questions Giuliani, why did you put the command center at the top of the world trade center? When you were told not to for exactly the what what have the reasons of what happened, right? So all the charm offensive that's going on now with trump Which and don't forget george w bush another guy who charmed the new york times people forget how favorable The times coverage of george w bush was as opposed to the coverage of al gore, which was mostly negative Right, but so be very wary because once we have a terrorist attack in this country under trump And we will because you need a commander in chief in the situation room Who wakes up every morning and gets his intelligence briefings which donald trump is not doing He's he's only had two intelligence briefings so far We're letting our guard down and then what does he do he's going to divert He's going to deflect the attention of his incompetence On two scapegoats And a country overseas and has brown people and what are we going to do? well if we go if it's a if it's a repetition of What we did after 9 11 then and there's a good chance it would be The media and the congress will just go along with him. Um, I have a very Very slim hope that because 9 11 happened already and because of history and because this is donald trump That maybe people won't be so quick to get on board with him. But like I said, that's a very slim hope Well, why are we not? Insisting everybody insisting that we audit the vote Um, well, I mean if to me my feeling is if one second hang on for one second Hillary Clinton, uh, this is my criticism of Hillary Clinton I voted for her right because she could win now she won But I voted for her because I wanted her to win to You vote for a clinton because they teach us how to win They roll up their sleeves and they have a ground game and they have lawyers lawyers lawyers Both hillary and bill are lawyers. They surround themselves with lawyers Why are they not fighting because maybe they think that they Unlike people like jill stein or unlike a lot of people I'm sure they've looked into it And their opinion is probably that a recount isn't going to get them over the finish line Give a fascist legitimacy If there were the other way around if the shoe were on the other tiny foot And it was trump who won the popular vote but not the election day. Yeah, they would be doing all that Why are we not fighting going into the trenches the same way they are even if you lose Even if you lose the recount You're you're you're denying him legitimacy Let's I'm pressing it to have a recount when there's more than one state necessary for that to to turn things but now we're talking about actual Actual ideas that they're that this was rigged that this was Russia changing the percentages of of votes if they weren't paper bad not through not through But the idea and this is and I could be wrong just for when I read the idea that the russians hacked the the electoral count is very far Fetched they did influence the election through fake news and through wiki leaks and through traders like julien assaj and Traders like julien. Yes, like julien assaj. Don't you have to be an american to be a trader? He's a trader to his embassy But uh So um, so yeah, uh, by the way, there's a great article in the washington post in friday's washington post about how The russians Had a concerted effort. Yeah, they influenced and manipulated the election That is very plausible in terms of the news in terms of bright in terms of the news But the idea that they had hackers who went into um, electoral booths Um from afar and and switched The vote tally that that is very far-fetched. You know what this reminds me of because we're coming up on Uh, we just came up on the uh, kennedy assassination the anniversary of the kennedy assassination And it's don't go there That with the kennedy assassination the same thing with contragate Do not go there girlfriend because you're staring into the abyss and the thing about the hacking You barely with all due respect can barely open your laptop and get it to work You don't know anything about hacking Either do why? And we don't know i'm going by what people who do know about hacking nobody knows anything Nobody well, then if nobody knows anything about hacking then, you know, then nobody can operate a computer I mean, well the navy just got hacked 150,000 150,000 semen anybody I'll let that one pass I don't 150,000 the same is wrong for us to make a pun out of it. Okay. Yeah I don't it has to be if I'm afraid if I told that joker would end up all over my face, so I Well done 150,000 semen had their identities hacked the navy The navy was hacked This past week the navy that's that's you know, the pentagon got hacked So why is it so far fetched to think that somebody i'm not saying it couldn't happen But i'm just saying from what i've read that just seems like an unlikely scenario it could happen But but but but to me it goes into this whole thing of Of like the of what progressive like with bernie supporters and jillstein supporters It's it's always about how the system is rigged and how how That's the reason people lose the reason bernie didn't win the primary is because the dnc um Rigged the election and if it weren't for the debbie washington and schultz bernie Would have would have been the nominee and all that stuff is bullshit. So I could be wrong with all of that This kind of thinking all ties into that for me especially especially with jillstein being a part of it Kurt eichenwald who writes for newsweek. Yes, and he's the best there is just about and he's Been a guest on the show. Uh-huh. He's the best there is he did He has a great piece. Look it up about how debbie washington schultz couldn't possibly rig. I read that piece. Yes, and it was all about it was all about how how Naive bernie supporters are yeah unenacted plans didn't make a million people vote for hillary clinton Everything that john pedesta and debbie washington schultz talked about that may or may not have been wrong None of it was enacted. None of it actually happened. It was just conversations. Could we do this? Can we they people oh, they wanted to put new jersey new york in the front of the primary Yeah, and where were new jersey new york in the primary at the end? So obviously it did not happen I'm gonna go back to the kennedy assassination Lyndon johnson's biggest concern was that the russians killed kennedy And that we would have had world war three and then it was And our biggest concern right now In the situation room is that the russians hacked wisconsin pennsylvania And michigan because what does that mean? What does that mean? What does that say? Because it It says That we're not counting the votes here in america. And you know jimmy carter president jimmy carter Who until he got sick traveled all over the world verifying democratic elections? And what did he say about our system of? Politics our democracy. Do you know what he said? What jimmy carter said he could not verify The votes here in the united states that this is as bad as any african or latin american country You cannot verify the votes here in america That is the lie about our democracy and we rather perpetuate that lie Than do a recount. We rather have donald trump Because i don't ruin this country because the clintons Are afraid Yeah, that's it's the clintons. It's the clintons fall. Well, it is. No, it is and there's such bullshit No, no, it's such bullshit and doors boss. Don't you think if the clintons thought that they could win through a recount that they would do it No, they don't think it would be good for the country and they don't think it would be good for their brand What about all i've been hearing about here? We couldn't for 25 years about how these She's this manipulative person who'll do anything to achieve power That's why i voted for her and doesn't care about it doesn't care about ethics or anything We'll just do anything to achieve power. So why isn't this caricature of her? Exists now. Why isn't she the one that's doing everything is stopping her from fighting this because she's been branded as this Ambitious maniac because obviously women can't be ambitious right right and that is exactly why she had when this happened I said there's no way there's no way she's going to come out and say this was rigged because everyone It just has this preconceived perception of her as this person. I don't think she is and it's perfect They've branded her in such a way that she cannot fight this because everyone just says oh, you're such a this is exactly What we thought also, but but if that's the case too if If the recount happens And she's given the election without her having participated in it. That's good for her very good That's good for if if in this life because she took she took the high road. Yeah I didn't vote for her to take the high road. Well, I voted for a clinton That's why you're clinton's but you see you yeah, you voted for the cliche bullshit clinton You voted for the clinton that you read about in the new york times will do anything to make money for their charitable foundation and who Manipulate everything. So yeah, you voted for the fictional clinton, but I voted for the real clinton I want to win. I want my side to slap people around and crack skulls I do I'm kind of in the middle between that because I do think that it was all exaggerated But that is same time. I do see her as this ruthless Very intelligent woman who was willing who was an ambitious politician. Yes money in my charity Yeah, see if see if I get a favor out of it. You probably won't but I'm not going to stop for putting money in that charity That's the kind of ruthlessness. I like doing that. Look, I don't think Trump is smart. No, I have zero respect for him and I do think that there's some dark force Behind him that that and that he doesn't even know the dark force that's behind him The same way george w. Bush didn't understand the dark force behind him Trump though has a a a guttural gut visceral knowledge of the street and how to how to how to how to win or at least what street Fifth avenue. Okay, he understands how to To look like he's winning I'm making a larger pointer. This is idiot stand-up comics The comics who constantly scream. I just got ripped off. What do they all have in common? Every stand-up comic, you know, who walks up to you and says, oh, I can't believe he did my joke You know, my jokes are being ripped off all the time. What do those guys all share? Easy jokes. No, no, what that but what else? their hacks That but what is what is the common denominator of every stand-up comic who can't stop complaining that they're being ripped off That they're not powerful enough to their thieves Every comic who complains all the time about their jokes getting ripped off to a man Or woman, but mostly men They are thieves I learned it a long time ago That you complain about the thing you are for example Marcus Bachman Michelle Bachman's husband. He's gay. We can all see it. Well, he's praying away. You're gay He's gay allegedly Donald Trump kept saying the system is rigged. The system is rigged You got to get out there monitor the vote. They're going to steal it from us. Why did he say that? because He figured If we're doing this they're doing this So I better start saying the system is rigged He he knew something was up and he also invited I mean, this is to me. This is not really worth bringing up but but he did invite the russian government Yeah, he literally said it and I I've seen a few computer programming professors talking about this saying that they could show the government Right now how they could have done it that they that them and their students could have rigged an election And I'm not saying it happened. I'm not I'm this isn't one of those things where I'm like I know this one way or the other But think about how terrifying it is the idea that in a closed door meeting Donald Trump is going to sit down with Vladimir Putin and Putin is going to say We rigged the election And if you don't want the american public to know that here's what you're going to do for us And we just made a mole of the u.s president Yeah, that's uh John fugal saying Has made the point that Trump is not going to become hitler But he's going to allow Putin to become hitler. They're they're going to make some kind of deal That makes trump look good And then and then Putin is just going to be allowed to invade every country that he wants to So he'll be the Stalin to yes before world war two Stalin was Created a pact with hitler. I I don't Look he's mousseline. Let's not go crazy. He's I think actually mousseline. He had more hair than trump Look i'm optimistic because I have to be and I know that politics is compromised, but you need people Like me deep down in the internet on a podcast that not too many people listen to We're the ones who have to constantly be vigilant and and ask these questions because you you've got to You you you cannot Stop now And just accept trump you can't and deep down here where you know, we have Don't we're not mainstream media. We're not manufacturing consent We need people to look into this but but one problem it well Well for one thing if hillary becomes president under these circumstances She won't be able to govern. However, hillary not governing is better than trump governing. Yeah, but um If if hillary if on december 15th The electors give hillary the election or if it's decided That first of all that would be a result that trump would love trump would love that result I think the one thing that trump hates about his life right now is that he's actually the president I think the the opposite Result of this election would have been donald trump's dream to have won the popular vote And not have to serve as president and to be able to brag all the time that you're the real winner But not have any of the responsibilities That's that that's the cruel trick that god is playing on donald trump right now. How do you know that? What see that's that's soothing. That's what we like to believe Uh, no, I I I believe that because uh I think that that's that's an enjoyable lifestyle for trump. That's that's you projecting Well, I project on everything based on my observations on The evidence is that donald trump has never shown any actual hunger for governance He's never shown any real interest in the power the real power of the presidency. He only wants the pageantry He wants every part of the job. Hillary did not want which is why he's gonna be a fascist Right. He he he offered john casick to be president Yes, exactly. And that's what's gonna happen with uh, mike bents, right? He brought up another prime minister like we had with dick cheney. Yeah prior results Do not dictate the future what you're doing is you're basing things on history When you do that it travels up. Okay. I'm sorry. I don't mean to be a pain But what you're doing you you really are running the danger of projecting your goodness And your rationale On to somebody who's irrational and not good and somebody you don't understand. I don't understand trump I I don't I don't know what's going on. Well, yeah, I mean granted that but but the point um that I was That that I was heading towards is that If suddenly these things happen, there's a recount the uh, the electors give her the vote If if she becomes president under those circumstances in some ways Uh, it trump will still be as powerful because he'll be a very powerful disruptive Uh force and he won't go away at all. He'll he'll be more but um That but hillary becoming president is still probably even under these circumstances Is probably a better result, but it's a shit show either way. Well, I have to I don't mean to be I love having you here I love this conversation and it's giving me insight into Uh, the problem with our side how you and I completely agree on everything But uh, how we get there. We don't agree on you in many ways are a typical With all due respect and you know how much I love you You are a typical liberal you want you don't want to win Unless you win the right way And and I I don't think you understand the power of the presidency in that Once he becomes president. Oh, I understand that and I I said just a minute ago that Hillary winning under these circumstances is still a better Is still probably better for us not probably Then why do you say problem? Well, well, uh, it yeah it Because I'm just taking into account all the problems that what are the problems you envisionally tainted They would be emboldened to basically delegitimize her and and the republic you pussies you liberal Pussies the two of you the republicans. What's wrong? I'm just No, no, no, I'm just talking about with the reality of what's gonna of what would happen under those circumstances You would have trump you would have a media sympathetic to trump for instance the new york times Constantly not letting hillary do anything as president a constant barrage of everyone in the media Treating her as an illegitimate president Uh, the way they're not treated, you know, donald trump didn't win the popular vote And this has been pointed by by a lot of other writers if if if if this whole situation were reversed And hillary was the president with the electoral vote and donald trump would win the popular vote You'd be reading nothing But stuff in the media about how we're in a crisis mode right now how how hillary is not really legitimate She doesn't have a mandate you never read anything like that about donald trump ever in any mainstream publication So i'm saying that hillary i'm just acknowledging the reality of hillary becoming president Under these circumstances, which is still better than trumping president But i'm just saying it's gonna it would be a total shit show and she'd never get anything done But like I said her not governing is better than trump governing right and I think go ahead I was just gonna say and I still think you're a pussy. I'd kind of like it I would kind of like it if hillary legitimately was made president because they found that there was actual hacking or something And then you would have obviously millions of trump voters who were 100 sure Oh, this is just the government. None of this is real. Everything I want to believe is true I would actually like them to feel like Not only that they did win the election and they had taken away from them because that's how demoralized I want that faction of trump's people to be and you're a pussy. I don't know you're both pussy I want them but also, uh, you know my listeners are pussy taking into account Everybody's a pussy taking into account how awful the eye You know the moment that trump is sworn in his presidency taking into account how overwhelmingly awful that is In some ways, I still think the better The more hopeful course Is for i'm kind of joining up with ralph nadir and jimmy door kind of like Uh, now that this has all happened. I'm kind of like joining up in the let it let it all Go crazy so that it can be fixed camp in that and ralph nadir isn't saying that Well, he he has been saying that for a long. He said that about about george bush. That was 16 years But my point is is that, um The better way to go That could that I see as as a hopeful result of the situation we're in is that trump becomes president and then Democrats and progressives rather than doing what they always do sitting out the midterms Um becoming disinterested in politics the moment their candidate is sworn in And then letting the republicans get control of the congress in the midterms My hope is that democrats and progressives will become like the tea party in 2010 and really work hard to To get progressive and better candidates in and and uh make a big change in the congress in 2018 and then get a truly progressive person Uh into the white house in 2020 that to me I that's not an ideal path because it still has trump as president which makes it incredibly dangerous But considering the situation we're in right now I see that as the more viable path to fix this shit hillary becoming president Under these circumstances doesn't necessarily fix The the situation that we're in and I think that uh, I disagree. I think that with trump the best case scenario Yeah, that would that is a realistic one is the idea that this scares the shit out of liberals into realizing Maybe there are more important people to go after than a guy who didn't realize that that halloween costume was offensive And I i'm not even discounting saying that we should be continuing to say what is and is not, you know Okay in polite society But that you have to stop like bill marces You have to stop concentrating on people on your side to whittle down the number of people that count as progressive until it's uh Uh, uh an edgy enough and small enough group that you feel cool enough to be a part of and say no There's a real enemy on the other side that you need to stop whittling down who's on your side to get okay We'll get to that in a second, but I this is I find I I I meant to raise my voice And I hope to You're raising your voice is has no effect because you're such a pussy First of all i'm learning a lot by listening to you and and I'll move on but I just want to process this for a second Your hopefulness Your optimism if if trump becomes president That is the hopefulness that i'm clinging to but don't you think that if you want our side to be as organized and angry As the tea party that we have to demand An audit of the vote now that we have to fight. Don't you think we if we're going to usher in a progressive moment Don't we have to be the tea party and just right now Deal with you know what I don't if they want to do a no But why aren't you getting worked up about this? I mean you love hillary I do so why I'm following her lead on this. Why because it doesn't seem that viable But yes, but hillary says make me do it. She took hillary lives in the real world Uh, no, no, I live in the real world. Uh, I live in the real world. I have to pay I've Bills that have to be paid right so I live in the real world But so does hillary. No, she does. Yes. She does not she doesn't know if by numbers She's part of the 1% 99 but there are people in the 1% who are who care about People who aren't in the one but you're saying she lives in the real world because she understands politics. She understands politics And why didn't she win she understands if she won why didn't she win well If she lives in the real world and she's so smart and she's a lawyer She won but she didn't win well because by living in the real world She didn't think she that was consen in michigan were going to be the problems that they were and they were You know And she couldn't have predicted that every poll told her that that uh, that she was going to win in those places So she doesn't live in the real world. Well, but you you can live in the real world and be wrong about So if the polls but she's a person who is her's always been what is the pragmatic way To affect change in this world, you know And how not just being as an outsider on the fringe. How does a person like myself Who wants to make positive change in the world? How does a person like myself achieve power? And and make that positive change that I deep in my heart want to make happen and happen And and so why as a clinton supporter i'm not i'm really curious because you're giving me insight Into Why we're never going to be the tea party? You have a president who you wanted but you more than bernie you stay one from day one. Okay She believes in the roosevelt Mission which is i'm my heart's in the right place, but you got to make me do it That's what roosevelt said to all the progressives during the new deal. I can't do it unless you make me do it I'll move to the left Hillary moved to the left. She was moving to the left because burning a progressive because bernie made her do it Bernie made her do and she said that pretty much. She said I reflect you know this idea that Politics is bad and that you that you're a weather vane That's that that is what a politician's supposed to do You're supposed to represent your constituents and if your party is moving to the left you move to the left There's there's nothing ignoble about that But my question to you is why aren't you making hillary do it? Why aren't you getting on the audit? I have no position to make her do it And my feeling is that if hillary is not pursuing it she it's because she doesn't feel it's a viable thing But she's always going to choose the path that unless her supporters push her She's not going to do anything That doesn't There's no evidence to support that. Well, why would she just got railroaded by a country that believes She lives in the real world the country doesn't most people who voted for trump believe at least one thing that is provably false about Hillary clinton right they believe that three million illegal aliens voted that is a proven hoax and they Millions believe that i'm belaboring. We're gonna move on. Let me let me get the last word And then you can get the last word Because hillary won but she didn't so everything is True right. She's still the choice of the country. Yeah Everything is true. So i'm gonna get the last word and then you can get the last word And I hate to belabor this but You cannot treat hillary The same way we treat our police and military We have a strong military We have a strong police and we have a strong hillary Don't Portray them as victims are weak. These are very strong. Well, are we called portraying her as a victim or as weak Well, you you're kind of Portraying her as high-minded High-minded. Yes, who's afraid to Roll up her sleeves. Oh, yeah She's afraid to roll up her sleeves a person who's been working non-stop for her entire life To make things happen, but she's not rolling up her sleeves because she doesn't have a podcast like us I think she just doesn't want to be remembered as the as pathetic and not willing to accept when it was over Oh, that oh, so it's yeah, I think that's a big part of this. That's a big part. Well, this is you know That's not my problem. She's not it's not about her. You know when she wins, you know, she would say this isn't about me It's about us This is about us. This is a movement You know, it's not just her ego. There are going to be 30 million people who are going to lose health insurance Because she doesn't want to be remembered A certain way that's not she doesn't want to be she doesn't want to Be remembered. Um, I don't care how she gets remembered. You know, it's it when you're the party nominee It's not you it's the party and you have an obligation To what we represent. I don't care about her. Well, she's is As far as she's concerned this recount is not about what we we represent to her and to people like me It smacks more of that kind of Bernie Jill Stein kind of Everything is unfair. Everything is rigged and and nobody gets anything fairly so So, um That's why we haven't won. She's looking at the reality of why she didn't she didn't win because she didn't Get the electoral vote. She got two and a half million more votes than trump But the reality is just like the reality was for gore and gore could have could have Fought that thing a lot more than he did and some people say he should have but he also He also looked at the reality of it and realized that Then he owns is that I can go and sell current for 400 million dollars No, yes money ball democrats This is money ball if there's a 49 chance that they're gonna win. They're not gonna take it And maybe that's wrong, but maybe that's wrong. Maybe that's wrong No, wait a minute, you know, hillary did ever she ran in the primary. She ran a campaign She and she she worked her ass off To to win two and a half million more votes and you're sitting here portraying her as this person who won't get off Off her ass. Yes, and that's bullshit. No, that's complete bullshit It's it's typical of kind of a left of a far left view of things that she's not being um uh contentious enough and and and uh Just bitter about things enough for the left. You know who you know who fights dirty George w. Bush carl rove trump. I thought hillary fought dirty That's the way she was portrayed for 25 years as someone who fought dirty now your problem is she doesn't fight dirty I don't care how she fights. I have I care about my party and my ideology and I care about the 99 Percent and who's gonna fight who's gonna wait? I think hillary has done a lot to fight for them And the fact that she she stopped that she's cracked. No, she didn't she's She's either fighting this in her own way by not putting her name on it and hoping that it that it turns out Without her name or she's realizing that this isn't where the fight is maybe the fight is Fighting everything that trump does and how about the the uh the election in louisiana where we could get us where we could get a Democratic senate nobody is focusing on that everybody is focusing on this fucking recount and it's bullshit It's not a i'm gonna get the last word and then you can have the last word You know obama cares deeply flawed. We need single payer. There should have been a public option That being said it's saving lives and I know people who are beneficiaries of obama care and the way obama care stayed alive Was through reconciliation It was it was very detailed work in the it couldn't pass the house But but harry reid moved it through in the senate as a reconciliation bill, which was kind of dirty Wasn't really true But that's how you do it and then uh john roberts. Is that his name the supreme court chief is the chief John roberts john roberts uh Had a moment of clarity and said, uh, it's a tax. It's a tax And saved obama care Saving lives like that is you twist and you turn and you fight and you argue And it hinges on and then a recount is completely different from that It is yes because this a recount isn't legislation A recount isn't negotiating with one person so that you'll get this and negotiating with another person should get that That's what hillary would have been like had she been elected a recount is is is is literally that recounting the votes Well, it's emblematic. No, I disagree because if if you if you win by one vote You won If you win by reconciliation or you know what it's a tax you win And hillary and bill Are really not living in the real world and and are seduced by big money Which is why bill clinton when you look back On his presidency Was really not that great a president. He was flawed flawed. He was an extension Of the reagan wave and he triangulated and he gave us you know, he He overthrew glass steagle the telecommunications bill both are both awful things. I mean you complain about the media It's the clintons. That's the telecommunications act of 1996 you complain about Our economy and wall street. It's the repeal of glass steagle Uh welfare reform under bill clinton Mm-hmm What did he Accomplish as president other than telling the democrats hey, we can win We can look at me. I'm winning What did bill clinton? What can you point at? So now you're criticizing bill for winning and criticizing hillary for not having bills I'm just saying I'm just saying that the clintons. I'm saying that they don't represent I voted for her. Mm-hmm I wanted bernie but the clintons do not represent my ideology. I don't have a law degree from yale I'm not as smart as they are. I can't make the kind of money they can when they want to make money They do not represent. That doesn't mean though that they don't care about people who don't make that kind Well welfare. Well, what about welfare reform hillary? That was not hillary. That was bill Hillary gave us chips and I'm a big fan of eric astrata, but they they really are the corporate wing of the democratic party Sure and and and and it doesn't mean they can't do good Well, it's uh, barack obama is is also a corporatist as a president And but how come he doesn't get nearly the amount of criticism that hillary gets for being for being having Very cozy relationships with wall street. That's a charisma deficit Tell me what tell me hillary clinton Hillary clinton try to give us some kind of health care in 93 and 94 Tell me what she's done for our country Um, she when she didn't get that kind of health care. She passed a health care chips for for children That was great. Okay, but but tell me what the clint and that's great And i'm not arguing with you and I voted for hillary But tell me what the clintons have done for america Point to some things that they didn't what what what have the clintons done for america What's their legacy their legacy is they've given the media something to hate no seriously What what what's the legacy of the clint's what what can they point to she wasn't given the chance to To a secretary of state. What did she accomplish? I'm I'm I'm not uh, I'm not that um, cognizant of of A foreign policy like that. Okay, and what did bill clinton accomplish? um I a a surplus Um a balanced budget. Yeah, um, uh, prosciutto was good. Yeah prosperity for many americans Which is built on a built on a lie built on green spans Cheap easy credit. Well, okay, so I agree with you that we have prosperity. You're right. Everybody sucks Let's just be cynical about about the people in power. Okay, so hang on for one second I agree with you. Kosovo was was a success I think I mean i'm not saying that other presidents could have had the same success But yeah, it was a good example, but you know, but he did okay He came to that that was the last year of his presidency. You know seven years Bosnia and herzegovina. That was a disaster as was rwanda, but I agree with you. I'll give you Kosovo But when you say he gave us a budget surplus You're absolutely right. Mm-hmm Is that what we Elect a president to do. Well, I think we want we want more from them. We want more from everybody I think he do for the little guy What do you do for a budget surplus implies that there were you know Budget cuts that he couldn't really fight newt gingrich. So what did what did I don't know? I honestly don't know what I don't have an answer for you. Okay, so what did the question I have For my listeners is and I want to know your motivations for the question Really? Yes. Well We gave the clintons You get two for one with the clintons. We gave them eight years They created They improved upon the previous administrations They improved about you mean reagan and georgia bush. Yes, they improved upon They they they were better than the previous administration. They said they were better for the country It's a much better thing that we elected bill clinton than electing bob dole or Or giving george herbert walker bush a second term But he repealed glass stigle. That was I don't agree with that. I don't agree with him doing that created It was a huge mistake A huge mistake that allowed so what's but what's your point then the point is that the clintons Really did not help our country You can call them. I just agree you could call them What was necessary to rebuild the concept of the democratic party as not being traders against america the way they were seen In the 80s and that they were incrementalists who constantly compromised because that's how badly damaged There were the democratic brand was at the time after people like willy horton Were used to make democrats look like these revolving door prison Just hippies with no interest in defending lives. I think I don't allow other people To define who I am I don't allow roger ailes at the republican Or liat water with the republicans to tell Me who I am That you're not running for president either though. You're saying I won't let them do that a person running for president Has to do a million things to become president They have different choices to make than you as a citizen and a podcaster have to make Right and I so you're you can't apply your standard of I'm not going to listen to that. I'm not going to let George harbert walker bush or ronald reagan or roger ailes. Tell me how to live my life That's a different standard compared to someone who when they're running for president has to deal with those people Has to talk to those people has to as part of their job They they have to fight against those people those people have to be a factor in their lives It's a completely different thing for somebody running and becoming president How the way they deal with that then with you as just a citizen and a pod who don't you You have the luxury of saying I don't have I don't have to deal with them. I don't have to let them Define anything president Obama Didn't allow ales and fox news the president obama was very similar to bill clinton that he was a Compromiser and he was a he was an agent of incremental change people on the left acted like he was a like he was A monster for trying to pass obama care because it didn't have single single payer in it people Criticized him heavily that he did what he had to do not to make things perfect But to improve the world which and I would say that With all of bill clinton's criticism and I don't disagree with you the world improved under his presidency as it did under uh barack obama's presidency now you can say We have to do better And you can say that someone like hillary clinton is just inadequate to make that happen But now what we're stuck with is donald trump. Okay Uh Go ahead You're gonna go Okay, we got to wrap it up. I'm having such a good time. Uh-huh I'm so alex. We can't keep going right We have to wrap it up Jeff fun. Yeah, this was good Uh, we got to wrap it up It should have been elizabeth warren I don't think she would have won but well Yeah Recount the vote And and and we should audit The vote go ahead and go in yourselves out. You're you're you like many God fearing Patriots, you're afraid to look into that abyss and and and and realize that While we're busy trying to spread democracy around the world And ours Doesn't exist Our votes are not counted They're not counted and and and There are people who are very happy to live In the white house Without the popular vote george w bush and trump have normalized This we have now gotten used to the idea That you don't need to win the popular vote, you know And that you're that what americans Want doesn't matter doesn't well. Well, how often does congress Cater to the will of the people probably just about never Okay Folks fight fight fight call your congressman Call your senator Demand to recount give money to jill stein Fight fight fight fight give money to plan parenthood and the name of mike pence How many was it 50,000? I haven't seen the number, but it's it's great. I'm sure it bothers him Give money to the aclu fight fight fight Boycott tommy hill figure Do not what did he do? He's gonna make melania's gown He said that it would be an honor to make melania's and our girl gown What if it's fabulous? That's true and go to target Why because the right wants to boycott target for accommodating transgender bathrooms because you know how Big an impact that that hasn't their lives, you know, it's amazing how people reinvent themselves because target used to be the most homophobic corporation I didn't know that. Yeah used to have um A good friend of mine did ads for target was hired. I remember her and she had Deep reservations about it. She actually went to an ethicist to talk about it Yeah, this was during the obama administration, you know, and I know we have to wrap it up alex But when you you're one of the brightest people, I know I want you on the show all the time Thank you But when frank and even I say Well, we learned our lesson from george w bush. We're not gonna let trump do what george w bush People do not remember and the fact that target now It can reinvent itself as pro lgbtq. That's a positive thing It is a positive thing But how quickly we forget right that four years ago They were right, but you know what the epitome of homophobia. You know what the great thing is is though is the reason They've changed is because the culture has changed and as a corporation there they don't want to hurt their bottom line and They've come to the conclusion that That discriminating against Transgender people will hurt their bottom line and that's the people as the culture changing the world Great to the point of millennials who who who old people like me like to make fun of but millennials are the most tolerant Generation ever in terms of accepting all different kinds of of people because they grew up around Gay people around transgender people Around people of color. It's when I was a kid and I'm a very I'm you know, I go back a long way I'm 60 years old when I was a kid It was easy For conservatives to to portray Anyone like that gay Black Transgender as the other because you never saw them in our society. They were all hidden They were all in the shadows now that they're not hidden Now that The environment has changed so that people can come out and be who they are in the open more and then other people Meet them and go. Hey, you know what that guy He's a he's a cool guy that gay guy who comes to the office party with his With the with his husband. They are cool people. They're fun to hang out with. I I have no reason to fear them I have no reason to hate them and that's that's a hopeful sign that we the people as a culture can affect The corporations in a positive way and and the way you do that Is they can't count our vote? But they can count our money right right and so when you spend money In this country That's a much more powerful vote than voting for Hillary or trump unfortunately The holiday season is upon us as Robert Benchley said The holiday season is around my neck Which is one of the funniest things once again the holiday season is around my neck You vote with your money You don't need crap Stop streaming your videos Your worthless videos Start watching YouTube And listen to gnome chomsky and howards in That'll perk you right up. 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I'm sure there's good stuff in politico There's a lot of bullshit in politico when's the last time you went to politico. I go to politico every day Politico is good. Go ahead. We're gonna wrap up. I mostly uh, read, uh, yahoo news That's that's I like to get mine stuff. We're nice in the middle. I want to know exactly what No, you don't you know everything You know everything Dave Cyrus, how do people follow you? Um, should go to twitter Dave s i r u s like virus Okay, and frank conif, uh, twitter frank conif, uh, frank conif on facebook my, uh, website frank conif.com Yes, and you have a new book out that everybody should buy 25 mystery science theater movies that changed my life in no way whatsoever Is santa claus versus the martians on that one? 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