 What's up, everybody? Welcome to the FanDuel Sunday Night Mock Draft Stream. I'm your host, Simon, joined as always by my hater, blocking coho, Shade's on haters out, John Luke Garofalo. What's up, JL? What up, Simon? I am wearing the hater aides today because JJ's here, and I know he's gonna get a lot of hate for the haircut. Guys, also joining us today, JL alluded to it. We've got the late round QB man himself, JJ Zacharyson, with us. For those of you that don't know JJ, I assume you've been living under a rock, or this is the very first fantasy stream you've ever tuned into, but he is the creator of late round fantasy football. You can find that at lateround.com, and he is the creator of living the stream. JJ, thank you so much for joining us today, my man. Yeah, it's great to be here. Great to be back with you guys. Talk some fantasy. It's been a minute. I haven't hopped on with you guys in a little while. You've been a little busy. You've been a little busy, JJ. I'm just creating that beautiful draft guide of yours. Yes, trying, trying to. Well, we'll see if it helps you out today. Today, we are going to be doing an eight man draft, eight teams that we've got going on. We've got seven of the spots filled. We need one more spot. So I'm going to be throwing that in the chat sometime before this draft starts. The draft is going to start at promptly 716 p.m. Eastern time. So until then, we'll be talking a little bit of strategy, maybe some ideas about what eight man leagues mean whenever we're drafting, maybe some trends you've been seeing going, going into this draft. Before that, though, a couple of reminders, guys. Number one, if you haven't done so already and you're watching this show, go ahead and like this video and make sure you're subscribed to FanDuel on YouTube. Or if you're watching on Twitch, hit that follow button. It is the easiest way to make sure you don't miss out on the content that they're pushing out over here. After you do that, they've got a whole team of killer creators across multiple different platforms. You can find them on TikTok, Instagram, Facebook. They're at FanDuel across all of those platforms. So make sure you go over there and find them. Guys, like I mentioned, we're doing an eight man draft. We've done a couple of these now. JJ, I don't want to brag, but Jail and I have done probably three of these eight man basketball drafts. So you might be in trouble, but I wanted to come to you and see if you had any insight with the smaller league size. Most of the leagues we play in are 10, 12 man leagues and 14. Is there anything with the smaller league size going into this that you're going to change about your draft strategy? Yeah, I thought you were going to say not going to brag or anything, but we've won. We've already won. Yeah, I mean, like anytime your league size shrinks, it means that every lineup is better, right? And so if every lineup is better, that means that there's less room for error. When there's less room for error, that means you have to actually win every position. Whereas if you're in like a 16 team league or even greater and you punt tight end or something like that, you can get away with that. You can be okay. But in an eight team league, you might be a little bit more inclined to spend up a tight end and get a Travis Kelsey, get a Mark Andrews, Kyle Pitts would have you to sort of get that advantage because we know there's a drop off there. And not only that, but the opportunity cost in doing that is not necessarily as great because you can then loop around and still get a good running back wide receiver when you do select one of those tight ends. So that's probably an approach that I'm going to go with in this draft. You know, if things just sort of generally set up, but the crazy thing is that I think in a lot of like 12 teams, you can get away with this year, you know, not necessarily spending up at tight end. You know, my projections don't love the top tight ends. I mean, don't get me wrong. They're definitely separated within the projections like Travis Kelsey is the tight end one. Mark Andrews, definitely the tight end two, Kyle Pitts. I like, you know, I like all those guys, but, you know, just from a projection standpoint, the way that sort of tears kind of flesh out, you know, late round tight ends are not terrible options this year. I know that we say that seemingly every single season and then they turn out to be pretty bad. But, you know, at the bottom, at the end of the day, you know, those late round tight ends are bad. Yes. But the whole tight end position is bad. And a lot of those guys are still viable. You know, if they're, I always say, whenever I'm talking streaming tight ends in season, is the tight end breathing? Okay, then he's probably awarded this week. So that's really the way that the tight end position kind of works out. So when are you changing your Twitter handle to late round tight end? Yeah, I got to apparently. From what I heard, you're all about the early quarterbacks now. I watched the stream here on you. You're drafting quarterbacks early all the time, right? Oh, man. Man, you know, I will say I do have, I do have one thing I got to, because I can rant about the quarterback thing for a little while. But the thing with the quarterbacks, especially like, like this year, you know, if you look at the last couple of seasons and if you look at ADP over the last few seasons. So basically, since like the Mahomes and Lamar breakouts, last couple of years we've seen quarterback ADP rise a little bit. But on top of that, what we've seen is the predictability of the quarterback position get a lot better. And what I mean by that is if you look at top 18 quarterbacks by ADP and how they produced them points per game, the correlation between those two has become a lot like insanely strong over the last two years. And what it is is that people are recognizing finally that rushing matters at the quarterback position. They're finally really drafting these, these dual threat guys earlier months before you could get a Lamar Jackson super late, I mean, during his breakout year and even like Cam Newton back during his MVP year, all that kind of stuff. And so we're seeing that, that change. But the one thing I do want to say is that last year, you know, the top quarterbacks versus like the QB 12, you know, and a 12 team lead really weren't giving you that much bigger of an advantage. They actually weren't giving you a bigger advantage at all compared to other seasons over the last decade. What's really changed is that we feel a lot more comfortable and better that Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, Patrick Mahomes, that these quarterbacks are going to be good. And it's not wrong. They are probably going to be good. But we're going to reach a point in time. It might be this year. It might be next year, but there will be a point in time where that predictability is not nearly as strong. And if you're ahead of the game with that, I think that it could be pretty good for your fantasy season. You mentioned like the onesie position of like tight end and how in smaller, smaller size leagues you want to get that advantage. Is it the same for QB since that's more of a onesie position in most formats? Yeah, you know, I sort of look at quarterback though, because quarterbacks just so much deeper than tight end. Like you can just feel very good. Like if I get Kirk Cousins and Justin Fields as my two quarterbacks, like I'm not like that upset about it because I think that, you know, Cousins not only has, you know, just general upside this year with the new coaching staff, but then Justin Fields obviously has the dual threatability. And so, you know, and those guys are being drafted as QB twos. So, you know, I don't feel as comfortable necessarily with that in a smaller league at tight end, you know, getting like an Irv with an Alberto or something like that, which is fine in like a normal 12 team league, but in an eight team, you might not have that advantages strongly, but the quarterback scoring week to week, just in fantasy football in general is a lot tighter. There's a lot of variability week over week at quarterback, which is part of the reason why we can stream so effectively is because they're so predictable from on a week to week basis. So, you know, that's one of the reasons why you can still sort of wait, but I'm, you know, and best ball in general, I'm still very cool and do it often to, in getting one of those like mid-range QB ones, you know, like getting like a Jalen Hertz or even Russ this year, what have you. Stafford. Yeah. Yeah. Just going, going that route and just having that like solid QB one and then sort of throwing a dart a little bit with that, that QB two spot. Yeah. I just want to put out there. I'm also still very cool and do it often. I say it's a regular that I'm pretty cool as well. No, but to that point, what we were talking about a little bit last week, because whenever with, with quarterbacks, how I address that position usually in best ball or in these smaller league sizes, eight man is it's not that I'm going to reach or try to draft a quarterback early, but I'm a lot more willing to accept value that falls to me at that position. So Josh Allen falls past the point where I think he should be off the board in a 12 man league. Maybe I'm not making that call because they're still valuable running backs, wide receivers on the board. But in a, in an eight man league, I'm a lot more willing to accept value at those one off positions. If the draft work falls that way, kind of that middle ground for me. Yeah. Guys, we got a bunch of people in the chat ready for today's show. Mr. Mick clutch says get pumped. We are pumped and Maria says happy Sunday. Welcome in Maria. Jordan glad to have you in here. And he said I've never seen JLB this cool. I've never seen myself be this cool either. This is unprecedented. It's all an act. It's all a facade. If you saw him from the waist down, it wouldn't be deeply terrified underneath the surface. Yeah. Underneath the bottom of the screen. His legs are quivering below the screen right now. I have no pants on right now. Mr. Scavers. It's smoking aces JL. What's up flowers? Glad to have you in here. We got Joey in the chat saying I think JJ has the best looking background I've seen on the stream. Thank you. What's your favorite pop back there? If you got to pick one Funko pop, which one? Yeah. This is a sentimental and cute, cute answer. My, my daughter for my birthday this year got me these Anna and Elsa Funkos. So she's, she's, she's going to be four next week. So it's a very like, of course that's your favorite. Yeah. Yeah. So I got to put it out in front. Right. Got to, got to represent and frozen there. Does she watch your streams now and like, oh, that's mine. No, she, she comes in here and takes them and starts playing with them. Jordan in here saying hello, Mr. Scavers. Yeah. Our chat cat gets all the attention whenever he's in here. People don't even care about us. The second the cat walks in the door and Jordan saying, Jordan, Mr. Scavers is not as happy to see them. Fan dual. What's up? Welcome in draft season. Daddy's being dual. Thanks for hopping in and checking out for us. We got Dame in the chat. Welcome in, Dame. Glad to have you here. And NBA rigged saying what up FYF family. Happy Sunday to all the beautiful. Happy Sunday to you. NBA ring. And jail. Happy Sunday to you as well. Not just the beautiful folks. Thanks, Sam. Hey JJ. Happy Sunday to you. Hey, happy Sunday to both of you. We got geek hippie in the chat. What's up geek? Glad to have you in here. And before this draft starts, which is going to happen in about three minutes, it looks like we got a question specifically for you, JJ. NBA. Here's enough of our voice throughout the week, I guess. He said, James or Trubisky, who is set up to succeed better this season? So do you have one of these guys that you prefer in fantasy? Yeah, I mean, I'm going to go James just because it's the safer choice because we don't know if Trubisky is going to be around all season. It does sound like, I mean, it definitely sounds like Trubisky is going to start the year, which I'm a little surprised at that. I thought when, when they drafted pick it, that pick it would just be sort of the starter right away. But it's also the Steelers and they sort of take things slow with their player development and stuff. But then on top of that though, you know, I just, if I, if I were guaranteed that Trubisky was going to play the entire season, I think that we might honestly say Trubisky here. Just because of his mobility, that Matt Canada offense is really good for these sort of dual threat quarterbacks, which Kenny pick it is still that to some degree. I mean, he still has good mobility. But I do think James is set up decently. Well, even coming off that ACL. Joe, you over here. Yeah, yeah, I do. I think Kenny pick it will likely get the start of at some point in the season. I'm not a big believer in Trubisky's talent. I think it's going to be a good start. I'm not a big believer in Trubisky's talent. And I think the Steelers will start hitting, especially in that competitive division, they're going to start hitting a wall where they're not going to be able to get over. And I think they'll likely start to feel that pressure to put, pick it in. James, I'm, I'm, we know what James is. We know what James can be for fantasy. I'm, I think my concern isn't so much for James. It's for that Saints offense and what that's going to look like this season. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I'm with you and JJ, you said it exactly. I was guaranteed 16 starts with 17 starts from Trubisky. I'd probably lean Trubisky here, but James is just in a much safer situation. We got some more questions in the chat, but some of these, I think are going to get answered as this draft gets going. I'm going to go ahead and pull this draft up right here. Like I mentioned, guys, we are doing an eight man draft tonight. I'm going to run through how this is going to work. First of all, it is a, um, it is going to be a 30 second pick the timer. Oh, we need to fill this draft right here. Uh-oh. We'll get it filled. I think it might delete the draft if it's not fill whenever the timer hits. So we got 30 seconds. Someone join. Join. Join. Join. You guys got 30 seconds and if we get one person in there, we'll get this draft going. That's my bad on that front. Uh, but this is going to be a eight team league. Best of all, this is half PPR scoring. You're going to start one quarterback, two running backs, three wide receivers, a tight end and a flex in this format. Um, it's going to be 20 round draft. Uh, so we'll go through 20 rounds. We got it. Yeah. Someone joined like literally with three seconds, whoever that is. Great human being. MVP. And that's the way we like to do it. That's the way we like to do it. It's got to be exciting. Right. Otherwise it doesn't matter. Yeah. JL, you and I drafted right next to each other at the seven eight. Oh boy. JJ, where are you in here? I'm in the sixth spot. Oh, we're drafting back to back to back. Yeah. It's always great for a stream. Whenever all three of us are paying attention to the draft and, uh, in succeeding order, right? Fantastic. Yeah. I'm totally not going to tell. Do you, uh, do you have a pick in mind going into this first round, sitting there once you see your spot, the sixth, you don't have to tell me what it is, but does the draft spot dictate anything about what you're thinking you're doing here? I have an idea of who I want. Yes. And I'm hoping. Yeah. I definitely have an idea of who I want. Um, and it might honestly. Yeah. I feel good. I feel good. I don't want to say it before he makes the thing. Yeah. If you go in a lot of different directions, I'll say that if this goes, if this goes by ADP, I will be pleased. Also, Mr. Scamber's just taunting taunting us. We know Mr. Scamber's is going to draft a top tier team and says, we'll see all this goes making beans and Spanish rice while drafting. We get it. You're a talented cat. You can cook dinner and draft at the same time. Um, it looks like the draft has kicked off and our first draft has been made. Jonathan Taylor. I think that's really standard. JJ is, is JT your one on one this year? He is. I think that you can make the argument for, uh, CMC as the one on one. Um, but, you know, I, I, I'd still go JT just because, you know, there's a lot of, of things that can change within CMC's range of outcomes. Technically, you know, if they don't want to use him as much because of the, uh, the injuries and such. Um, but, you know, and, and he, I mean, if they use him the exact same, I mean, CMC has the highest ceiling in fantasy football period. So I have them in the same tier. I just have JT ahead of me. Yeah. I tend to be with you. I'll take JT first, but if it's just upside, like, uh, the Scott fishable draft just happened. I, that's a format, those big tournaments where I would take, I would take CMC first just about that upside right there. Um, I see another question in here asking about why receiver ones that you can find around three and round four, half PPR. Well, I'll ask you this question down to round five, round six. That way we're not, uh, given those picks away, but I'm sure we'll be talking about some of these wide receivers throughout the draft today. Yeah. For sure. I'm almost. Yeah. You are almost up. Um, we got a question from big hurting here. Wanted to know, do you think Echler gets limited touches this year? I'm going to go to you JL while JJ is, uh, thinking about this first pick. So they drafted Isaiah Spiller. Do you think there's any concern for Echler getting limited touches in this offense this year? Yeah. I think, I think it's, oh, I'm on the clock now. Cause I just screwed, I just screwed a JL over there a little bit. Uh, I do think that there's some concern over Isaiah Spiller seeing more work. They've been trying to fill that RB two spot for years. Um, and really trying to like fill the Melvin Gordon sort of void. And so there it is. There's the, there's the Kelsey pick that we were talking about earlier. Yeah. Um, yeah. So I, you know, I think that that Spiller could be like, I had some issues with Spiller as a prospect because of how poorly his pro day went and such. Um, but you know, it's not the end of the world. You know, he still was fine enough in my prospect model. Um, and you know, if they, if they give him work, they give him work. Like if he's good, he's good. Uh, but I do think that he's probably the scariest, uh, competition that Echler's had, you know, over the last couple of seasons. And, uh, obviously I'm not wildly concerned. I agree with you JJ, but I just drafted Echler there with the eighth overall pick. He's, he's up there in that top tier of running back for me, even if Spiller does get some work in this offense. I think Echler is an efficient enough back that he's still going to be a top tier fantasy option. And this is, he's in a great offense for the skill set that he has. Yeah. He might get limited touches. We might see some of those rushing attempts go down, but Echler has always been the receiving work guy. Right. Like that's where he, he makes his, his fantasy point, uh, where he gets most of his fantasy points. So I'm not too worried about Echler, not this, not this season. I would be maybe a little more dynasty. I think people are like kind of just selectively ignoring the fact that he's as old as some of these other players. They're, they're upset that are old like Zeke. Um, but yeah, every drop, not, not too concerned. He doesn't have some touchdown regression coming to that we should throw out there. Like I don't think he's going to maintain what he did last year. You know, and maybe they do give Spiller some goal line work as well, but he's still fine. Like he's still a top, top eight pick for me over, you know, in these drops. Yeah. And we, um, I completely forgot what I was going to say right there. So instead I'm going to ask you about your pick right there. I feel like he's often kind of like the forgotten top tier running back. Like some people are really into him, but maybe it's the injury concerns. Maybe it's Alexander Madison behind him, but how high are you willing to draft a guy like Dalvin Cook? Very. I think he's going to be heavily utilized as a receiver in this new offense. They're going to throw the ball a lot more, a lot more, a loving personnel, more than likely, uh, and that could open things up for him a little bit. I mean, we saw that sort of with like a Todd Gurley with that McVeigh offense, um, you know, when they first opened things up and ran 11 personnel, three wide sets at such a high rate compared to the rest of the league. So I think that Dalvin Cook is in a really, really interesting and good spot. Um, you know, I overall, I'm just bullish on the Vikings offense. I think Kirk Cousins is, uh, an underrated, uh, just quarterback, a real quarterback, even fantasy to some degree. But, um, you know, I just, I'm just bullish on the Vikings offense in general. I think Dalvin Cook is going to see pretty high target share this season. And so in that, in that first round, you took talking about the Vikings offense, you took Tamar Chase, one pick after Justin Jefferson went, had both those guys been sitting there on the board, would you have taken Jefferson or would you still have gone with Chase right there? I would have gone with Jefferson there over Chase. I think Jefferson is, I think you can argue Jefferson is the wide receiver one, uh, overall in, uh, sorry, I was making my pick there in fantasy football, uh, this season. Like I still have cup ranked ahead. Cup looks a little bit better in my projections, but Justin Jefferson is just, I mean, it's, he's been unbelievable. I mean, there's, there's, he's been the best young wide receiver that we've ever seen statistically, um, you know, in the NFL. So I'm, I'm very, very high and cool with getting Justin Jefferson there. Jail's face up there is making me nervous. He's like every pick, he's just sitting up there trying to snipe me. I am so not happy. I honestly, like the, the three picks before me were all snipes. Just every single one is DeAndre Swift, Kyle Pitts, and then CD lamb. And those are, I was going to go, I was going to go Pitts to get the tight end stuff that we were talking about earlier. Now, now it's getting to the point where like I'm going to do the whole waiting on tight end thing that I didn't really want to do, given the size of the league. But you get to a point where middle round tight ends historically have been really, really bad bets. We still have a cut, you know, we still have George Kittle, um, and Darren Waller on the board. Um, but there's just such good value at running back and wide receiver right now that it would, it would be very difficult to pass up some of these guys in favor of a guy like Waller, but we'll, we'll see. We'll see how I'm feeling when, uh, when I'm on the clock here. I thought about going pits, you know, I went Kelsey in the first round and I thought about going pits just to keep them, like keep away or I keep it from, from the rest of my, my league mates here, but it felt early. It feels really early to take pits even. Yeah. This is, this is difficult for me. And I might just do it because I, I think that I'm going to be able to make up at running back and wide receiver later in the draft. I might just do this and regret it. I'm just doing it though. I'm going to go Waller here. Oh, did that. Okay. I went AJ Brown. Now are you meant to do? I did. I honestly, I thought I was on the clock. JJ was on the clock. I thought I was on the clock. That's fine. I'm cool with AJ Brown. It's probably better. You love AJ Brown. He's now your new favorite player to draft. Yeah. Yeah. Just my player, player number one. First, Every time I finished these drafts, I go and update my rankings to make my team the best. Yeah. That's good fantasy strategy right there. Yeah. I mean, I would say the Waller pick for me and a 12 teamer, you know, I would not even remotely get him over some of the players that are on the board here. But in the, in the eight team draft, I just, I wanted that solid tight end one, you know, to get that advantage because you need that advantage at every position in this kind of league. Yeah. That's a really great point. Does that change? Does that, does best ball effect that versus just normal season long drafts? Yeah. A little bit. You know, you obviously can't, you can't benefit from, you know, the guys that come out of nowhere that we see a tight end, you know, even last year like Dalton Schultz and Dawson Knox to some degree, but Dawson Knox at least had an ADP. But Dalton Schultz in most, most platforms and such didn't even have an ADP because people are drafting like Blake Jarwin and stuff. Right. And so, you know, you don't get the advantage of that. Whereas you would, you know, in a normal season long league. So it's just another reason why to feel a little bit more comfortable, you know, getting one of the elite tight ends early. Yeah. Absolutely. How are you feeling about Kittle this year, JJ? I feel like he's someone who people are really talking about, you know, we have that sort of iffy last season where he just, you know, he's injured a lot of the season. Are you, are you still bullish on Kittle or are you sort of fading him? I am. I'm probably just like at ADP at market with Kittle. Yeah. I mean, like part of it is that you don't necessarily want to associate your, and there he goes off the board. You don't necessarily want to associate your tight ends or any pass catcher with mobile quarterbacks, which is what you're getting with a guy like Kittle or Ayuk or whoever in that offense, Debo. It's not necessarily a good thing historically. And that's where, you know, with Tre Lantz there, but Kittle's just been so efficient per target throughout his career. I mean, like unbelievable efficiency per game. Now I'm on the clock. I am going to go with Javanta here. Ooh, I like that pick. Before it's my pick, I wanted to see if I could get someone to draft someone else again. So JJ, what do you think about Tyler Conklin this year? Great pick, right? Yeah. Fantastic. Yeah. I think Tyler Conklin to me seems like a fifth round pick in an eight team league. Absolutely. I couldn't agree more with JL sitting on the clock. I can't believe he's still sitting actually. Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off on the Kittle take right there. No, you're good. But Kittle's just been so, I mean, like I've talked about this on Twitter and on my podcast a good bit, you know, over the last month or so. But like Dalton Schultz has had at times like people have preferred Dalton Schultz over George Kittle, which I get from like a floor standpoint maybe, maybe, but George Kittle has averaged 14 full PPR points per game. I don't know the half up the top of my head. Every year since his rookie season, Dalton Schultz last year was at like 12.3 and that was his like breakout year. George Kittle is just like next level different. I mean, he's just he's just an unbelievably efficient tight end. So I can't fault anyone for going that route. Also guys, we got some big news. Daddy Fanduels in the chat giving out presents. Your allowance is on the way. So put your hands out. Drop your Fanduels. Put your little fantasy user name. And Daddy Fanduels is going to throw some credits into your account. Just throw your username in the chat and then we'll throw it up on the screen that way everyone watching can just send you unbelievable amounts of messages as well. I did it again. I panicked. I really wanted Lamar here, but I went in my homes because the timer was running out. Oops. Yeah. You have you prefer Lamar in this format or all formats jail? In best ball. I do prefer Lamar. I don't want that upset. No. No. But no, they're close enough that that I think it's fine. They're in the same tier. I'm not low on Patrick Mahomes last year. Didn't doesn't worry me too much. And Lamar is going to Lamar, you know. So I think he's that high upside is huge here. I think you can go either way. And we were while we're talking about Patrick Mahomes. He's got a new cast of wide receivers. I guess some returning names, but a lot of new faces in that Kansas City offense that he's going to be chucking the ball to and I know we've debated back and forth like who's the top guy. And I think it's less of a conversation about what we know and maybe probabilities and value. But JJ, do you find yourself drafting one of these Kansas City wide receivers more than others this season? Yeah. Look, I think Juju is a really interesting pick this year. I say that, you know, a lot of people are like, oh, look at his efficiency. It's horrible and et cetera, et cetera. But if you look at, you know, his overall efficiency and you adjust it for average at the target. He's been just fine. It's just that he's not as efficient like per target and per catch because his average at the target has dropped given what they did in Pittsburgh, which is why we see Deontay Johnson in the same exact criticism with Deontay Johnson even though Deontay Johnson is a good wide receiver. And so I'm actually fairly bullish on Juju. You know, I think if there's one player who sort of like fits this mold of what, and I don't want this to be taken the wrong way and I understand it can easily be taken the wrong way. But you get a slot guy who's been efficient throughout his career was a good prospect and, you know, is improving his situation and has been more of a wide receiver too, you know, over the last few seasons who could maybe blow up with that improved situation who we saw from what we saw from Cooper Cup last year. What if that's what we see from from a guy like Juju this year? So I have it Juju, MVS, then Skymore. I'm a big Skymore guy. I just, you know, it's just, it's just preference. MVS is at least a little bit interesting with that Patrick Mahomes arm. Yeah. And that's a that's an interesting comparison. I haven't heard that one. I hear a lot of the like Matthew Stafford going or the Russell Wilson going to the Rams and talking about just the two wide receivers, even though the skill set maybe isn't super similar there, but elite quarterback with two new receivers in town, but I haven't heard that one with Juju, but you're right, but that's the better comparison, I think that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I mean, like I'm certainly not predicting it. I just think that he has a higher ceiling that people are giving him credit for because they're utilizing his numbers and his efficiency from when he was with the Steelers and with Rothesburg and this offense. But even then, I mean, like he was still fine for fantasy. Like he, when he was healthy, I mean, he was still racking up a lot of receptions and seeing the ball a lot because that's what good players do. And so in this Kansas City offense, he can play the slot. Maybe they move him outside a little bit. But, but I think that, that you know, the only hesitation I would have is that L.A. didn't have a player in the middle of the field like Kansas City does in Travis Kelsey. That would be the, the biggest concern with Juju and his ceiling, but I do think that overall, not only that, but we know that defenses take away the deep ball or have historically taken away the deep ball against Kansas City, which is part of their struggles that they had last season. And Juju is more of an underneath receiver and he's a great red zone thread. So I think all that combined just makes him an intriguing pick this year. Do you think Kelsey gets a bump up in that already crazy volume without Tyree Kill there? Do you think it really gets distributed amongst the wide receivers? I think it just gets distributed. But I certainly am not, you know, anti-Travis Kelsey. I just, I, you know, he's another year older as well. I just think that his target chair is pretty projectable at this point versus what we've seen. Oh, I'll snipe in my stack. I wanted him on the last one. And honestly, I'm happy I had him on the last one. And I'm happy. I had him on the last one. I'm happy. I had him on the last one. And honestly, I'm happy. I ended up going with Holmes instead of Lamar here because I remember that I drafted Kelsey in that first round. You could have grabbed you could have grabbed Gigi right there as well and had the double step. I would much rather have Bateman though. I went, I went, I went Gabe the babe over, over Gabe the babe. So do you have, you have Gigi as your number one or number two wide receiver this year then JJ. Yeah. He's my, he's my wide receiver zero. Oh, sorry about that. That was a root of me. Yeah. He's my, yeah. You actually draft him. It's a special draft before the draft begins. When you get to do a special handshake and everything. But Gabe Davis has been a polarizing player this off season. I think a lot of the polarization has been because of his ADP and the small sample size of success we saw. Are you in an ADP on Gabe Davis or is this an upside play kind of pick that you're taking right here? Yeah. I mean, it depends. I think ADP here's fine, you know, where he was drafted here. I'm totally cool with that. You know, you can take some shots like that. Just given the fact that you're going to have pretty good wide receivers aside from him. I mean, he's my wide receiver four. And I have McLauren as a good high floor option. Jamar Chase, who will ball out and CD lamb, who probably, you know, CD lamb at least has a floor. We know, but the ceiling is obviously there too. So getting, getting a player like Gabe Davis as my wide receiver for feels pretty good because, you know, I don't necessarily have to rely on him. Since I've been a little bit wide receiver heavy here, a little bit easier to go that route. I mean, look, I sent an email blast from, from the late round newsletter one day about the subject. Yeah. The subject line was, can we just be rational about Gabe Davis? I just feel like people are either just like on one side or on the other side. It's like guys, we can just recognize that there are multiple sides here with Gabe Davis, right? Like we recognize that he's probably, he's probably an underrated prospect. We don't usually see from a smaller program. I know that the school itself is big, but from a smaller program. And then his touchdown production has been otherworldly. I mean, and I'm not even talking about the, the, the playoff game. I'm just talking in general as a part-time player is 13 touchdowns through two seasons, the regular season, which we don't see from, I mean, we only see from good players. Like really, I mean, the cast of players that have done that are generally pretty good. He played the majority of the team snaps. He had a 20% target share. I think we'd all buy into a 20% target share in a Josh Allen offense and in this offense. So there's a, there's a lot going for him. It's just that what's against him is why did Emmanuel Sanders play ahead of him last year? You know, why, you know, why, why is he not fully broken out yet? Like why haven't we seen this player who's supposed to be good? You know, really, really produced. And so that's the question mark, but that's why his ADP isn't in the second round. You got to hold 20 seconds. I wouldn't even worry about it. Yeah, just don't even stress about it. I'm sure auto draft will take who's next for you. T.J. Hawkinson. So you can double up on tight end. I think that I'm going to go. Tyler Thompson, he's still sitting there. I'm going to take, I'm going to take a chance with us. Where do we, oh, you stinker. You're kicked off. That's, I'm upset about that pick. I'm not even necessarily high on Judy this year. I'm a little nervous and redraft with Judy. Just given some reports about like Tim Patrick, seeing a lot of work. Tim Patrick's probably going to play in the slot. A good bit it sounds like as a big slot. Cortland Sutton sort of profiles more as the, as the DK Metcalf and the offense, but Judy's just, I mean, the talent is just there. I mean, he's really good at my prospect model. I think that he would have had a great season last year if not for that ankle. So hopefully he clicks and you know, you're really just buying talent whenever you're drafting something like I feel, I feel strong about it. Yeah. I think like two, you know, I think two weeks ago when we, we did a similar draft, I think it was a team with Josh and I remember he went Cortland Sutton. I got Judy a couple rounds later and it just feels like they're close enough that that's just pure value in my opinion. They could finish, you know, very similarly. I definitely meant to draft TJ Hawkins in there. It wasn't, I didn't time out or anything that was perfectly who I wanted to go along with my marketing. Oh, yeah. What's going on? Yeah. All right. Yeah, that one didn't feel good. Hopefully he has the same bi-week as Mark Andrews to really just add insult to injury on that one. No, we're good. Different bi-weeks. I have no idea what I'm going to pick here. Good time. I see best ball moderate in here wanting to know is this half point? This is indeed half point in this mock draft. All these fan dual best ball drafts are going to be half point PPR and Mr. J. Juju top 10 wide receiver. Yeah, you heard it from JJ first. Juju Smith choose your top. I'm just wide receiver zero. Wide receiver zero more than top 10 on that one. That's right. I want to pull up. Sorry. Go ahead, Jail. I was going to say I'm one of three teams that went to QT so far. Oh, man, I would not recommend this. Damn you out of draft. Let's let's pull up your team and see how we're feeling about it so far. Let's get some questions. Go ahead. Go ahead. You run us through your team. I'm very happy with honestly, skill positions, not your E.T.N. Dobbins like that's a solid crew. E.T.N. and Harris cover the upside in my opinion. Dobbins, you know, cover the worries about Dobbins. Obviously my homes and Kyler to extremely high process best ball. It's going to be a nice little combo there. If one of them has bad week, hopefully other one doesn't. I mean, I'm pretty happy with it. JJ, what do you think about that double QB move? Do you think it's one thing? Yeah. Let's focus on the thing JL hates the most about his team and then tell me what you think about it. I mean, the double QB move is bold. I think it's solid. I'm not like massively huge on Dobbins this season just because of the injury and such and the upside is capped a little bit because of the target share. But I think the rest of the team is strong. I mean, he's only missing the only quarterback that he's missing is the guy that I got in Lamar. Would it look nice? Would it look nice with that Dobbins and double shot Bateman? Oh my God. I forgot I had Bateman too. Man, and if you had Mahomes, Kyler and Lamar, man, just absolutely. I don't know who to stack with Kyler though. Like, I guess Marquis Brown, but it just a raven or a chief. They're more stackable. They're more stackable. You don't think Cardinals are a stackable? Is it the shape or what is it? I think it's it's Kyler Murray's site. I think you need you need a strong foundation at the bottom. I'm not because the quarterback you're on the clock right now. I know I'm terrified. Okay. You were doing a good job of being on the clock and talking at the same time there. So I just wanted to throw it out. Just really throw that in there. Thank you. This is way too high of a reach for him. Just incredibly high of a reach for Cole Comet. Tell us why you did it then. I saw his name and I like Cole Comet. So I picked it. Honestly, this list is a bit terrifying because there's a ton of QBs at the top of this list of the overall, you know, available. Obviously I don't want those. And I'm not like crazy about any of the running backs of this position. Draft board's looking a little iffy. I'm scrolling down and I'm going to start taking some rookies. I took Drake London right there. That's a good one. And then I'm also going to take Elijah Moore. I know I scroll down a little bit and I got excited seeing both those names down there. I did not realize he was there. I would have absolutely I'm very big on Elijah Moore. Well, you are almost on the clock where I was going to ask you to tell us a little bit more about what makes you excited about Elijah Moore. I know there's concerns with Zach Wilson and the other Wilson Garrett Wilson going into that offense, but you still like Elijah Moore for redraft and a lot of research on middle round breakouts, middle and late round breakouts and at wide receiver second year middle round wide receivers are unbelievable values historically. So I'm looking at guys who exceed at a strong rate and in the second round wider or sorry the second year wide receivers in the middle rounds really exceed at an extraordinary rate. They do it in terms of they exceed ADP expectation by 3 plus full PPR points at a 41% clip since 2011 when the average among all middle round wide receivers outside of the year two guys is closer to like 22% 23%. So basically this year we're hashtag blessed with a lot of of strong you know, wide second year wide receivers like Elijah Moore Rashad Bateman Amin Rasen Brown Devante Smith Kaderious Tony is another one. So all those guys I've just been drafting heavily because they even if their situations look a certain way it's important to look beyond just that situation because you're still drafting for talent and we could be wrong we have to be we have to understand that we will be wrong about which offenses we think are going to be good and which ones aren't going to be good what if the Lions are a little bit better than you expect what if the Jets are a little bit better than you expect what if the Ravens are a little bit bad last year so there's a lot of looking at those team situations and not overstating them and looking at what we've just seen historically from these breakouts and second year wide receivers not third year guys second year guys are the ones that you want in Benz So you mentioned Kaderious Tony so I feel like that like the whole Giants team has been very interesting this draft season I know Marie and I were just talking about Kenny Galladay and Scott Fishbowl and whether he's a good pick where's Kaderious Tony for you and are you interested in any other wide receivers there I think Kaderious Tony is an unbelievably good pick and just because we're talking about I'm going to draft him right now Oh I like that strictly because of that walk the walk walk the walk JJ So Kaderious Tony hits a lot of checks a lot of boxes when you look at yards per route run from rookies and such and I've tweeted some lists of things like these lists that he's on when looking at rookie wide receivers like one of them is rookie wide receivers who played 50% of their snaps from the slot and also saw 50 plus targets and had a yards per route run rate of 1.7 or higher and he's on a list of just like stud after stud after stud of these like slot guys and one of the guys in that list which I wish I would have thought about more when it was going on was Hunter Renfrow so it was like a way of maybe seeing the Hunter I mean I think the biggest concern is like does he want to play football does he care about football I don't know this is all speculation by what like beat reporters saying stuff like that but I'm not going to buy into that because he's still playing football I have to trust that he's going to play and want to play football and I just think he's a really really good pick the Giants offense in general is going to be a lot better not just because of the coaching change but because of regression just in general they're going to be a lot better this season 31st and 32nd in total touchdowns in the league that's just not it's not going to happen this year with Brian Dable yeah absolutely we got a Dalton in here Jail saying stack and Ravens feels like trash he does not like your Raven stack it can but if you get the right stack I think it feels the opposite trash what I've had is heaven I don't know like Lamar and Mark is that is that what you're doing right there yeah beautiful the extent of it it's honestly those two stacks and the team that JJ you mentioned expecting them to run the ball more this year would you have any interest in doing that double stack with Lamar Bateman and Andrews or do you think that's going to all in on an offense that I'll expect you to be good is likely going to be rush heavy yeah you know most of the mobile quarterbacks when when it comes to stacking I'm usually just stacking with one maybe to you know if it's like hurts and I can get like a Devante and a Goddard or something like that I'm not as inclined to spend like just because we know that mobile quarterbacks to me more teams and just not as much volume but I look I like Bateman I think Bateman is a great pick this year I I prefer Bateman a lot more at ADP than Mark Andrews this year I think it's different in an 18 format like we were talking about totally different but I think that Andrews you know he's coming off a legit legit career year I highly doubt Mark Andrews is going to do what he did last year again throughout his career and he's being priced as if he's going to do something fairly similar which is possible but I don't think that he's you know the the Ravens offense for a lot of reasons they were 23rd and pass rate last year which is still a fairly low right like it's still 23rd in the league but they were ninth and past attempts and the reason for that is because they ran so many plays that's going to regress I do think they're going to still run the ball a little bit more this season with a better defense healthier defense hopefully the running backs are healthy as well and that's just going to bring down the volume overall in that offense it's a lot easier for me to draft a guy like Bateman where he's going in the middle rounds as opposed to getting Mark Andrews in like the second you know where I think he's being priced basically at like close to where he was and how he performed last year yeah if I'm not mistaken the Ravens ran the most plays out of all NFL teams yeah it was crazy like by far too yeah yeah yeah so you know like essentially what you're saying is like you can't expect that necessarily to happen again it's more likely that's not going to happen again than it is exactly I read this comment down here they said this whole thing and then just said J.K. because I'm down here it's on the second line but then don't worry about that you can do you can do a good stack with the Ravens over there and JJ's back on the clock at this point what are you thinking with this pick we're getting towards the end round 15 only six picks left yeah I went I went Irv you were talking a month before the show started is that your first tight end or your second tight end that you won so I just wanted to get a solid guy who could be a low end tight end one maybe a mid tight end one this year and kind of go from there my wide receivers are very set probably need to bulk up running back a little bit I'm going to throw some darts here at running back just generally how I build my teams is I get a stutter to at the running back position kind of avoid the position in the middle late rounds I'll just start throwing those darts at running back a little bit more while bulking up wide receiver as I've done in this draft I mean my wide receivers are pretty stacked right now who are some of your like favorite late round running back targets who there's like you know high upside guys you're targeting yeah you know one of them I'm probably going to get here in a second I don't mind getting you know wait here goes Jeremy you're on the board right now honestly so you got James Cook that makes a ton of sense that's good value for him I'm probably just going to get Spiller here and I do think Rashad White has a lot of upside especially if something were to happen to Leonard Fournet but I'm going to go Spiller because I think Spiller has a role in that high powered offense and maybe he sees some goal on work where he's not going to see the field as much as Spiller will but he would see the field a lot if Leonard Fournet gets banged up the other thing really interesting thing with Rashad White is I do prospect work and I have a prospect model and in that model I do comparables right and it's all based on straight up statistics based on their like height weight and some production metrics and Bruce Arendt is now in the front office in Tampa Bay and so I think that they like I think he has a type Bruce Arendt and I think that that team knew what they were doing when they got Rashad White really good passcatcher sort of that same like build as David Johnson where he's like you know taller running back that can sort of line up as a wide receiver and do a lot as a passcatcher that's what Rashad White is and they kind of like they could utilize him in that you know lined up like that if they if they truly wanted to and if he progresses um but obviously you know there's upside there if something were to happen to Leonard Fournette like if he is actually 295 pounds like they all keep talking about yeah yeah he's been cracking me up on Twitter because that's exactly how I would respond if people started calling me fat on line one I would be wildly offended like you would really hurt my yeah if like a rumor started going around like man I was getting a lot of weight and we're just like talking about their weight like like how personal to just have everyone on the internet like blasting you for your weight that you've never even met but it is insane right it's insane it's nuts like if you're out there tweeting that Leonard Fournette that he's too fat like come on one maybe look in the mirror I don't know who you are but there's a chance he's in better shape than you are and I'd say a pretty good one um but he's been cracking me up with that response so you just want to make Lenny feel a little better in a points per fat joke league I think Lenny would absolutely move up a couple a couple spots there's that guy you were talking about the wide receiver that made you a little nervous for Jerry Judy and you added him with Jerry Judy on your team is that something you like to do in best ball drafts grab multiple guys from that same maybe uncertain situation yeah I mean it's a double stack to I think I think Tim Patrick is going to see a lot of work in that double stacking it up so that if they blow up in a certain week then my team hopefully would be blowing up in that week as well was thinking about going running back but I don't see enough running back like there's just not a time separating these guys but I am I am going to make a like I I'm probably I mean I'm just going to reach with my next pick just because we're so late anyway it just doesn't matter the point I need I need running backs just to sort of solidify what's going on there because my again my wide receivers are pretty good about boy yeah I'm I'm scrolling through my roster and similar thing though I probably should have leaned into it I like what you said you take those two running backs early and then lean into the other position and go back later you're you're betting on yourself you're betting on those early draft picks paying off and that you identified what this value is going to be I think I wasted some of those mid round picks with having early picks being Eckler and Barkley and then God White or something here at the end and like my team a lot better yeah I mean I think the bottom line is you know you're you're looking to get first right like I've seen questions all the time from people where they're like oh I'm just going to capture this backfield I'm just going to get both Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon but realistically what you're doing is that what you're saying is that I don't trust that Aaron Jones is going to live up to his ADP in my on my roster so I'm going to get AJ Dillon just in case when you're drafting and mostly in general but in best ball especially because typically they're weighted in a way where you know you want to get an ROI and that's getting first and so you know you got to just shoot for upside and upside's not necessarily just like I need a Will Fuller type all over my roster Gabe Davis type all over my roster upside is just recognizing that you know it's lineup structure and recognizing that the players that you're drafting they work together in a way where on a weekly basis that's why stacking works right because they're working together on a weekly basis to be able to give you that high ceiling if things go their way whereas if you capture a backfield and that backfield hits a negative game script or something or just I mean if they have just a normal game and they're not in a really really positive game script chances are they're both not going to pan out so you know if you do get like an Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon I hope no one in this draft did that because I'm just saying is I'm doing this as a floor play and not a ceiling play and that's usually a way to lose yeah you don't want to have this type of format Mr. Scamber for Aaron Jones and there was no AJ Dillon on that roster so we were in the clear man someone's feelings were about to be so hurt you were really going to ruin a night like someone really excited like I'm going to watch JJ tonight and then they get on and JJ just ripped my team to shreds just over and over and over again 20 this quarterback position I like I waited and it got uglier than I thought it did are there any quarterbacks I guess now we're sitting here maybe you guys are going to take another one but are there any of these like now that a lot of the big names are off the board we talked about James Winston we've got some of the maybe less exciting names that you think have QB one upside top 12 quarterback upside or I guess in this format top eight quarterback upside on Danny this year the rushing ability you know last year dimes had the same did I did I snipe you there you snipe me but and and I went to go click plus on Rhonda more because I thought he's available and Sammy Watkins moved up to replace and I drafted Sammy Watkins week one baby it wasn't just a normal snipe that was like a super snipe JJ how the heck did you do that it was amazing yeah so you know with with dimes he had he had less than a touchdown pass per game and he still averages many fantasy points per game as Derek Carr and I think people are not aware that his rushing was like really really good he only had three fewer rushing yards per game than Kyler Murray last year and so if you look at what Dable did with Josh Allen don't assume that that he's going to do this with Daniel Jones because that would be idiotic but he let Josh Allen just be himself Josh Allen not just in fantasy but in real life too right it's amazing and so if Daniel Jones you know has that mentality and he teaches him that mentality you know all of a sudden you're getting a lot of rushing production from him and there's there's just general upside in rushing with these these quarterbacks and I already mentioned that the giants themselves should be a lot better offensively this year from a regression standpoint new coach all that good stuff so I'm actually like I you know I wouldn't even necessarily trust him as a QB2 and a 2 QB build unless I have an elite quarterback with him but if you're getting like a trio like a platoon or if you're in a super flex league or something and you just want that QB3 after getting like you know 2 high end QB2's I think Daniel Jones makes a ton of sense this year he's going to be drafted so late oh yeah yeah no one likes Daniel yeah no one likes Daniel Jones yeah he's one of those players that I think people I mean it's not even like they hate him it's just like a fun name for them to be upset about oh yeah sure Jordan in here was saying are you sure you weren't looking for week 17 correlations JJ that's your number one draft strategy right yeah I mean look I understand the urge to do so you know in certain tournaments where week 17 is everything but this this league I am not no I'm not looking for those weeks absolutely not we've got David's worth picking in the fifth round of half PPR 12 man leagues so you were talking about your love for not love but the excitement around Gabe Davis the second year breakout is that too early for you or is that a round where you're willing to take that shot look I think it's fine I'm not going to fault anyone for doing that you know he's in that sort of range for me I think I have met like wide receiver 27 28 or something like that and that's generally fifth you know you're probably staring at and you're like these running backs are horrific after Javante Williams but I this is this is the typical build for me Tony Ballard that's classic JJ it's got JJ very very into very into Tony Pollard this year this is and by the way I'm into Tony Pollard this year and I have not been in on Pollard previous years this is my first year being in on Tony Pollard just for the record I'm not Tony Pollard stuff like I was never you know this isn't me just being like this truther who's like oh yeah Tony Pollard so much better than Zeke there's just a lot of logic behind why I like Pollard this year or at least what I think is logic yeah lay it out on your on your podcast and it's yeah not you convince me I've been drafting more Pollard since then yeah people when he doesn't pan out just don't don't at me he's still new to this Pollard thing right you don't want to you can't hold him to it this year it's next year that you can hold him to it if you still in on Pollard this is you just testing the waters this year I wanted to talk about your team a little bit before we jumped off here JJ two quarterback build and then like you mentioned you went heavy I'm running back late after you grab those two guys early but it looks like your strategy was really changed the kind of wide receiver you drafted later are you happy with this core of wide receivers and how it turned out yeah I'm happy with it because you know the way that I sort of think about this stuff is I get Jamar chase I get CD lamb two high floor high ceiling guys Terry McLauren is going to produce it's just a matter of is he going to really be a wide receiver one which is certainly questionable so just given that that I went wide receiver heavy there I felt good about Rodwin super volatile wide receiver given the injury you know Jerry Judy even what I talked about earlier still a fairly volatile wide out and then I just stack Judy with Tim Patrick and Russell Wilson they get that going and then Ron Delmore who I'm fairly I think more would be kind of a gun I think more is on it like my model liked more coming out as a prospect because his production was so good I subjectively bumped him down a little bit because of his size and then you know last year he was a little bit cautious but the thing is if he uses if they use him in that Christian Kirk role and if they use him in the slot I mean he could be a very I mean he could be a wide receiver three in fantasy this year so I think where I got more it was more so I just saw him sitting there and I was like I can't not get him here too good about I think even the same walk is on the board yeah even with same walking here as a gadget player and that's not what he is like people are talking about him like that's all he can offer and I'm with you I think he's worth that value late he was unbelievable he was unbelievable at Purdue when he was healthy like unbelievable and if they can if they can capture that in some way which you know without the Andre Hopkins there he should get a little bit more he gets a situation boost we'll see if the opportunities there but I mean I think that it's looking decent for more just as a value right now I got him yeah you got him in the what the 18th round yeah it's ridiculous yeah it's probably one of the best values we've seen and then you grabbed two tight ends Darren Waller early Irv Smith very late is this generally what you do at the tight end and best boss are you liking just rolling with two of them if you get a good one early yeah if you get a good one early I'll go to but if I don't then I will I will get three so I would get like if Irv Smith or like Brevin Jordan if I like really really missed out on the tight end position you know I'd go that route but go go two or three with two being with the better tight end guys this draft is done now but guys Fanduil daddy Fanduil is not done passing out money so if you guys want some if you guys want some of daddy Fanduil's daddy Fanduil please um and geek it it'd be in here TV geek this is for everyone I wanted everyone to know his user name it's Fanduil user name um yeah no we don't encourage that's only on the other show JL that we encourage not on this one right here um that's going to be it for our draft but before we go JJ any final words any insults towards either of us right yeah I mean look I think probably the worst pick in this draft was Sammy Watkins I'd say I think so too I agree with you why did you pick him JL uh no it was a great time great catching up with you guys and doing a show again it's been a minute like I said earlier um and you know I'm looking forward to absolutely destroying you guys in this league oh I can't wait I'm really looking forward to too if you haven't make sure you go check out JJ's draft guide I appreciate it and you can you can find that on his website guys if you have not already found it it's at late round.com so make sure you go check that out over there um JJ thank you so much again for taking the time to come on and draft with us today this was an absolute blast and I too am looking forward to beating JL heavily in this league this season as we beat JL it's fun to see look at those Sammy Watkins fans in there look at all these Sammy Watkins truthers here guys before we jump another reminder if you're not doing so already go over and follow JJ on Twitter truly you're missing 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