 And then he stayed, sat on the board in my place, but that is kind of a personal choice, Bruce. If you wish to attend the meetings, all the meetings, that's fine, or some, or just stay in touch with your delegate so you have an idea what's going on. So are you now the primary delegate or who is the primary delegate? I am not. Yes, David Lawrence. David Lawrence. Okay. I believe his contact information is on the town website. I do not know if it's on the website. Because I recently, going through the Fiber website, sent an email to both of our middle sex delegates, and I didn't get a response from either. So I don't, I'm happy to try to reach out to them by phone or by direct email, but in any event, I'm happy to attend the meetings or not. And I assume with this, I will get notice of meetings from somewhere. You will get, yeah, you'll get notice from, CV Fiber now has a new, has their first CEO and a lot more organizational stuff in place. But yeah, they will, they will let you know, you know, when meetings are going to occur. There'll also be some opportunity to serve on committees, if that's something that interests you. There was quite a bit of committee work going on. That's going to lessen as they're going into the construction phase of things. But in the early days, when we had, there was no staff, committees did an awful lot of the work to get to this point. But okay, I will, Good. When is Sarah going to be back, Dorinda? It won't be back. I think she flies in next Tuesday. So I don't expect to see her in the office until Wednesday, maybe a Thursday. I'll see if I can contact whoever's the appropriate person at CV Fiber now. And I'll let you know. Okay, I think Liz is trying, Liz is trying to say something. Go ahead. Sorry, Liz. Yeah, I was just trying to introduce myself. Now, Bruce and I are neighbors, so we know each other. But what I wanted to say was that I, I thought Sarah said, and so maybe I'm mistaken about this, but I thought Sarah said that David had actually not been attending meetings and that we were not having representations from middle sex, whether it's because he's too busy or what, I don't know, because he's still officially the person, but we thought that's the last time we had a meeting and that it might be actually a good idea for Bruce to go to those meetings if David in fact is really too busy to do this. So just, I'm just saying. We did receive, I'm not sure, Liz, whether it came to me or whether it came to Sarah, but we got an email, I believe, from CV Fiber saying that we had not been represented, that nobody had been showing up from middle sex. So that's a concern. And I guess maybe what we need to do, and I'm happy to do it, is reach out to David and make sure that he still wants to do it and see what's going on. And at the same time, Bruce, I'll put him in touch with you. I hope. Liz? Yeah, I'm sorry. There was a little child that was running now after a ball and not watching. Oh, okay. I'm happy to serve in any capacity. I feel, well, I live in middle sex, therefore my internet sucks. And I have an interest in making sure that we get better internet. Liz told me that when the poll inventory was happening, that they had come and knocked on her door and said, we're here counting polls. We live a little bit up a long driveway and I never saw anybody counting polls. That doesn't mean they didn't do it, but I have some concern that we're gonna miss some people. So in any event, I'm happy to do this. I will go to meetings if that's what's required. And I just need to know when they are and whether I should not go if David's gonna go or however it works. But yeah, Peter. You're watching a ranger. CV Fiber has Bruce's name and contact information. Yeah, I'll do that. Okay, thank you. And I'll reach out to David and see if I can find out what's going on. I kind of just thought. Hey, Bruce, while we're right here, if you just send me a message in the chat with your email address, that would be really helpful. Okay, Phillip, you're assuming I know how to use the chat, but I will give this a go. Oh, look, there it is there. Okay. All right, thank you. Thank you. Okay, thank you, Bruce. And thank you for agreeing to do this. It's gonna be important for us to be represented through this process. Yes, Dave. I'll make a motion that we appoint Bruce. Thank you. Thank you. As the alternate. And is there a second? Yeah. I'll second it. Okay, all those in favor of appointing Bruce Stevenson as middle sex alternate representative to the CV Fiber board, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Post. Bruce, you're in, officially in. Congratulations and thank you. This is almost like high school graduation. Yeah. Almost. Except they're no monetary prizes. Yeah, what's with that? I mostly pissed off that Liz has better internet service than I do. And she's like half a mile away. I don't get this. You're too self-doubted. I am, that's exactly right. Moving right along. Welcome to, welcome to say Bruce, if you're interested, but you're also welcome to depart if you'd like to depart. Yeah, I have to get somewhere else and so thank you all nice to meet you and I hope to see you at some point live and in person. Right. Thank you. Okay, considering a request from the 911 coordinator to designate as a private road a certain driveway at the bottom of Molly soupal road. And renaming PR three to Picard lane action likely. I don't know anything about this. Well, I wondered about that coming from the cards is it. I hope and Sarah sent you guys something or Mitch is our neat e 911 coordinator and I thought maybe he would be here but neither one took place. Well, I would say let's let if everybody agrees let's this can't be an emergency let's pass over until we have just a little more information. Yep. Here comes Mitch. Don't pass over. Your timing is impeccable. Well, thank you. We were just just talking about this request to rename the private road. Yes, a card lane. Can you give us a little background. Well, um, yeah, I think it sounds like. I forget which P card it was but um, it sounds like that request had been made prior to me becoming the 911 coordinator and for some reason it got sidetracked and I was requested to look back into that I think one of the residents said, I think, I think because it's a poorly named PR three they've been having trouble getting some mail deliveries and said, maybe getting an actual name on it will improve the delivery service so I said, happy to see what I can do so. We've all been having trouble getting our mail as far as right yeah I was careful not to make any promises that that's going to fix the issue because I don't know that it will. Yeah, but the bottom line is it's a request coming from the P card family to rename it from our three to P card. I think everybody on that road is a P card so. Yes, they are. Yeah, they're unanimous. Yeah. Okay, exactly is this. You know where. Oh, right. The hairpin turn in middle sex center. It starts right by the old schoolhouse. Okay, so it's. What is the road that goes all the way through. There's actually a maybe a class four road PR three is actually just a spur off of that road that comes out on the center road. Correct. Yes, pushy road. Thank you. That's the one. Yeah, so it looks like Google Maps calls it prairie three. Yeah, they know what PR is, but yeah. Wonder they don't get their mail. Well, I don't see any I don't see any reason why we wouldn't do that and it's probably a lot better to have it clearly named so. You know what it is I mean what people are going to think is that bushy road, you know PR you're right PR three is the is the branch off of bushy road so I don't know how much that's going to help because all our mailboxes are at the bottom of bushy road but right. I was just wondering now is it. Is it meant as a coordinator that that goes to the post office. I know there was a push back here a few years ago to get all of these PR roads, so that people would name them, whatever, so that it would be a little clearer but Anyway, I mean I'm all for this but I don't know what the procedure is. Yeah, but I'll give you a quick bit little bit of background on that. Basically what happens is when I get a request to either rename a road or name a new road which is what the other one that we have is on what I do is check in with both the state E 911 board and the local post office to see if either of them have any concerns or issues. Full disclosure, I have talked to my contact Tyler Hermannson at the 911 board. He signed off on both of the road names. And I have emailed the Montpelier postal manager twice over the last few weeks and in the last four days I've stopped by the post office three days to see if I can get an audience with her. And I had messages left with her every day and today I also sent her a text message. I still haven't heard from her one day she was out delivering mail because they're short handed and the other days, the rest of the staff didn't know where she was but basically we don't get our mail. Yeah, my texture and said hey this and Tyler from the 911 board said that generally speaking, when the 911 board signs off and something post office agrees. He said he didn't really see a big concern, but I was really hoping to get an affirmative response from Vanessa the manager at the post office but I did not get a confirmation so you guys decide that you'd rather wait I can understand that. I kind of would like to get it done but I understand that you know we got to do. If we have to follow procedures we have to follow procedures that if we needed affirmative response before you guys are comfortable doing anything. I guess I understand that. I don't think so. Randy. It sounds like everybody that lives on this roads last name is Picard, and I'm guessing that nobody that lives there objects to the, to the naming of the road. This is what they want to do. So you said there were two roads that we need. Yes, there is also a. Currently it's a private driveway at the bottom of Molly Super. There are two addresses on that road and there's been a subdivision that has been approved for construction of a new home. The state owner needs an address, and the state policy is that when there's three assignable dresses on a private driveway, it has to become a private drive or a private road. So instead of just being a driveway is supposed to be called something. So, where is that exactly. Oh, let's see. I could look up who the owners are who live on. Hang on one second I can I have a file I can tell you who the people are that live on that road. Yeah. Yes. So I now used to live up there. And then Bob Lumbrough lives at the bottom. That's one of them. And somebody from Massachusetts is building that 10 acre that Eric so before he left. Yeah, that's yep. Where is the where is the road Victor. Right hand turn on Molly so full as you're headed towards the town. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, deep in a bear's face and slippery into Christian's eyeball. Yeah. Yeah, it's a Matthew Styles and teal church are one of the couples and then Janet Green and Robert Lumbrough. And then new guy is Ben Tepper or tepler I think. And they've requested a name of black bear lane for that road. And they all agree. Yep, they're all fine with that. And same thing. Tyler my guy from 911 board he said, they're actually in Waterbury and still are a lot of bear or black bear roads. But he feels like that's far enough away from middle sex that didn't seem to him to be a big concern. Yeah, I've seen worse. So I'm fine with it. Well I guess my recommendation would be that as long as the 911 board says it's okay that we we go for it and somehow it doesn't work we'll deal with it when that happens but yeah. I think the key what I what I remember back when Marica was doing this which you would always say, if the 911 board says it's okay it's okay and the post office will go along so that same thing told me. Okay. So was someone willing to make that motion to name those to name those two roads is described by mentioned. I'll make a motion that we name that driveway black bear road on the bottom of Molly. I think we're going to call it black bear lane. Black bear lane. Okay, and then private road three be renamed to be card lane. Correct. Is there a second to that motion. Okay, all in favor of the motion I'm not going to restate all that we're we're naming those two roads is as Mitch described yes Randy. I was just. No, we're going ahead of the curve. Okay, all in favor. Hi. Hi. You that seconded it. I did. Okay. Yes. Yep, thank you. Now on to everybody's favorite subject. Reviewing and updating the town personnel policy to reflect to reflect changes are a safety boot policy made at April 19 2022 and select board meeting and to address health insurance premium coverage for spouses of town employees action likely. And she sent out a copy of the first personnel policy the changes are on page five and page six before you get too far into this I need to point something out. She has at the top of the personnel policy effective May 3, your insurance policy was not effective until July one the new fiscal year so I don't know if you want to pass over this whole thing or just accept it all effective July one, or what you want to do. And also, Steve found a small, I guess you would call it a typo in section. 20, 19 or 20. In section 19 where it said safety approved for where C section xx, we're changing xx to section 17. Yeah, or 19. Okay. 1717. Yeah. So I don't know what you want to do but you did not the when you passed the policy it was supposed to be effective July one. Both of these things. Well no. The boo policy was just a clarification it really wasn't a change it's how you wanted it. The wording that was used to change it. And but they certainly we did not. It was part of the budget discussion as of July one where you would start paying spousal coverage. We can just address that in the motion correct. I was thinking so that we can just adopt the the new policy with the effective dates of like that health insurance as of July one, but you can still leave that May third date on there, as far as when we revised the. Now that doesn't say revised at the top it says effective so if you want to change the top the very third line says effective May third, and both of these items are in there. I see what you're saying. It sounds like and maybe I'm oversimplifying but I think in the motion if we if we approve the changes with with that effective date being July one, we don't need to push this off we could adopt the policy change with the motion making it effective July one. Because the boot thing isn't going to affect anybody anyways, because everybody's higher date is after July one. So it affects no one at this point in time. I think that's, I think that's the way to do it. So that was your motion Randy. I'm going to make the motion to accept the changes as they stand with the effective date being listed as July one, 2022. Oh second. Okay, thank you Steve. Okay, all those in favor of the motion, please say aye. Any opposed. Yeah, I believe now. Okay, can I bring something else up while we're talking about the insurance I don't know if we bring it up here or later but I was contacted by Shane this week. I had been reviewing some of the previous minutes, and he wanted to know why he didn't get the bonus, as opposed to why he didn't get the bonus when the other two people with family members got the bonus. And I told him that I would bring it up. I thought he might come to the meeting to, you know, plead his side of the case. My understanding was that it was given as a bonus as an employee retention thing. And I do know with the hiring the bookkeeper and the assistant clerk position that we were counter offering something she was promised from her previous employer. But the minutes didn't clarify anything really. I thought, am I wrong about this and help me out because I remember, we talked about this at the time and I thought Shane didn't need spousal insurance. Now that's not the case. No, that's not the case. Okay. Sorry, when you say bonus, do you mean getting paid for what you're not using? Like if you're not, like how we pay people not to use their insurance. Okay, Cheryl, the bonus when she came on, then Sarah came to the board and said, it's not fair that the assistant clerk is making more than what I'm making. And she wanted to, she brought it up at the same time that she would like to see the town pay for the spousal insurance. There was quite a discussion on it and Sarah was not in on that she backed out when we were talking about it quite a bit and I think those are the minutes that you took this. And so, when all was said and done, it was decided to give Sarah a $5000 bonus but in some cases it was talked about whether or not it was to cover the spousal insurance. There was a lot of conversation, if you refer to the minutes of November 9, then dissent the one after for December, where it talked about whether or not we violated the personnel policy or anything but I believe it was, when it was done, there was nothing in the motion that said that it was being given towards insurance, that it was just giving that bonus. It was to cover the, to cover their cost of their contract was a bonus to cover the cost of their contribution for their spouse to be on our insurance right. The one initially for Cheryl was not that that was really a hiring bonus because her employer was giving her a retention bonus. And that was how that one came about. Then I think it got convoluted because Sarah was asking about spousal insurance. So, so that I think there was no, there was no clarity as to really, if it was being named a retention bonus and a hiring bonus, or if it was truly, you know, it wasn't part of the motion let's put it that way. Can I ask a question. So, the stuff that Sarah just sent us a few days ago in preparation for this meeting has the highlighted section about spousal insurance that this is it says the town of middle sex pays 100% of the monthly health insurance premium for coverage selected by the select board each year for a town employee and his her spouse town of middle sex pays 50% for the premium of dependence. Is this new. It was. It was just fast. It was right. This is cleaning up the mess with those with those bonuses and we knew we were going to have to deal with this. No, that's what I thought. So, but let me just finish my, my, my thoughts. So what Randy just said is that this is all actually only effective July one. That's 22 right and that's, that's what the, the conversation and the budget built out was effective for this next fiscal year. Okay, so what Shane is saying so they understand this properly, is that Shane feels like, how come my spouse isn't getting how come I'm not getting extra money to pay for my spouse's insurance. Yes, for this past year, he's going to get it next year. Right, right. Okay, and were there other spouses that we did this for, but he was the only one that we didn't. So there's only three people that had the spousal plan. Okay. And I think people are not. We know who they are it's the bookkeeper the Sarah and Shane. Yeah, but I think the, the confusion all comes in where Cheryl's was a hiring bonus to match what her current employer because the current employer honored after she accepted the job. Then she came back and turned down the job because her boss gave her a bonus. And in addition to the bonus that she was going to get she was they were going to change her benefits they were giving going to give her more time off and they were going to talk about having the spousal insurance. So that's when Sarah came on board and said, okay, you know this isn't right. So, I think Sarah's was more or less she was, I remember part of the discussion being well Sarah's been with us for 10 years almost 10 years. You know, we can't let a new person being making out better than her, and that was where it kind of all came about. So is Shane's wife on our insurance now. Yes. And he's paying half the cost. Yes. And how much is that. Um, it was the premium was well it's gone up as of January one. It's like 300 and some dollars I want to say. So he's paying. I'll be with you in a minute Randy. So he's been paying $150 a month towards her insurance. Right. Give or take, you know, since you did this hiring thing in November or whatever. So, and I'm not saying we should do this, but if we were to say that, okay, we agree. We'll make you a whole we would need to give him a bonus of roughly seven months of $150. So that's basically a thousand bucks. Right. I mean, pay for his the rest of his months. I mean, Jesus. Yeah, we get ourselves in trouble and we knew we were getting ourselves in trouble on this. Can I just go back to the meeting minutes that that, you know, back when this was discussed, it was, it was clear in here that there was a recognition that that the cost increase was worth for two employees. That there were three employees that potentially were taking the insurance. But there was a pretty significant and I remember a significant conversation around being identified as sign on bonuses for employment and retention. So there was conversation around that. It looks, looking back at the meeting minutes and I would, I everybody should have a chance to go back and look at these, but it looks like it was, it was understood that only two out of the three, we're going to have any compensation because it was a bonus for retention and for a hiring bonus and that any future changes would be in this next fiscal year. That's exactly what I remember, Randy. Okay. So, I mean, that's, it seems, at least on my take on this is that it seems like there was a clear understanding that we would own, we would not be moving forward paying for anybody else's health care until July one. I think that's right. Randy, do you know when those minutes were. You know, there's a Dorinda referenced a couple of them and I'm looking at right now the December 7 meeting minutes. Like there's the last sentence of the paragraph that's talking about this it says Dorinda and Peter both noted premiums are still being deducted from paychecks of those employees with spouses. However, two out of the three are being compensated with cash with cash bonuses. Dorinda asked for clarification on the annual contribution for married HSA. It looks like there was a fairly lengthy conversation about what it would do to the budget. And then she also referenced the next set of town or the meeting minutes because so it was talked about over a couple of different meetings. Anyway, that's, I think that it would be beneficial to read the meeting minutes and establish, you know, I remember the conversation to some extent. And, and that was my understanding coming out of this and reading these meeting minutes. That's where I was going with the effective January or July one in the previous motion that that was just made. That's my that's my take on it. And we can see the rafters but we can't see you. Well, I'm here. We're good. Good, good. We're just discussing this, this health insurance issue, which I guess you brought up. Thank you, Peter. Can you just repeat that? Like I'm looking at these minutes from the December 7, and it says, repeat again, about this violation of the personnel policy by basically paying 100% of the health insurance premium for the spouses of two employees via mid year bonuses. What is what? Well, I think I think, I mean, Mike, I do not have the minutes in front of me. You know, I think what I was trying to say is, and I remember about two thirds of the conversation that we weren't violating our personnel policy because we were giving discretionary bonuses to two of our employees. So I don't think we I don't think we violated our personnel policy. Okay. I mean, the question is, and I guess, I guess what you're, you're wondering why you didn't get the same bonus Shane. Just because when another meeting we had in November, maybe in the end of October, I think we were in executive session. When we were talking about a hopeful future employee and his demands, it was brought up that if one person got a bonus to pay for spouses health insurance and everyone else that worked for the town that had spouse had to have the same bonus. So that was my question. I don't think that's necessarily true. What I said at the time, I mean, I don't know. I mean, you're why you're what I think the intent was that anybody else their spouse would be covered and covered in full as of July 1 of this year was coming right up. But I agree, it seems a little. I don't know why I don't know why we did it the way we did it. I mean, we were frankly trying to deal with with hiring situations that we made the decision to give those two people books. That's basically what boils down to a thing. In Cheryl's case, she wouldn't have come to work for us if we hadn't given her the bonus. And in Sarah's case. It was that the assistant clerk was going to be making more money than she was. She's been here 10 years. So that was our, that was our band aid. You got left out in the cold, I guess, so I don't know how else to describe it. I'm sorry. I just wanted clarification. I was going back through the minutes. Over the past year just reading through making sure I haven't missed something. And I just saw that so I figured out to ask them. Just curious what we've done. What we've done tonight is the personnel policy has been amended and effective July 1. Which is when the new policy will be effective spouses of all town employees will be covered. So that's done. I guess what I would suggest is. That we all review the minutes and then make a decision or. If we, if we choose to do anything about this to. To benefit Shane. Cause I haven't, I haven't read over the minutes. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. But I think the way that it, um, the way that it, um, sugared out is this correct. Brenda is that we didn't actually pay for their insurance. We gave them money and there's, they were still having. Money deducted and probably still are till July 1 for their spouses. Is that correct? Yes. Yes, that's correct. I think the difference there, if you're giving somebody a bonus, you can't tell them how to spend that money. They can choose to spend it to offset. Right. Like for health insurance or they could put it into retirement or whatever. We can't. So that's really different than a benefit. So we offered either sign on. Bonus or just a negotiation to hire someone. And then only a retention bonus. I'm not even sure it was a bonus. It's an adjustment based upon. How long that person had worked for us, but, you know, it's. Yeah. And I think that's what we tried to make a distinction. These are bonuses. You spend it how you want. If you want to buy additional benefits with that, you can. But the benefit piece is the, is the separate piece that we looked at and, and change tonight, effective July 1. And that being a benefit. Anyone who has a spouse can choose to take that benefit. So. Can I also get a clarification? And this might be something that we actually need to clarify on our personnel policy. Or at least state it in writing so that we're not coming back three months later, having this conversation again. I think we need to add to that. I think it says there that we will, we will reimburse an employee $150 a month if they don't take our insurance and can prove that they have their own insurance. I think we need to add, we will not reimburse for the spouse insurance if they choose to not take our insurance. No. No, you can't. Why? Because the employee has to be signed up for the benefit. If they don't take our insurance. No, I know. But I'm saying, let's say Shane's wife gets a job and gets a cheaper option and wants her own insurance. We don't want to reimburse him for. For him. Not what that reimbursement is. Yeah, no. I know. I realize that. Do we need to make sure it's perfectly clear. It's perfectly clear that we are not reimbursing a spouse for our insurance because now we are saying we will reimburse you if you don't take our insurance. And we are also going to pay a hundred percent of your spouse's insurance. So what we heard that language was. It's in that yellow highlight that, that she, that she sent us. And I just think so that we avoid these conversations of someone coming and saying, how come I'm not getting reimbursed for mice? How come my wife isn't getting reimbursed? It doesn't say that anywhere that we need to say that. I agree, Liz. Yeah. I agree. We don't need to revisit this again because there's misinterpretation. Yep. It's on page five. And it says on my thing. Yeah. Yeah, whatever it's on page. Yeah. And so I would just add a sentence that says the town will not reimburse spouses or children that are not. No, I think what it should say is the town will pay $150 per month as health insurance compensation. If any employee chooses not to take our health insurance. Period. Yeah. Yeah. What it says. No, it doesn't. It doesn't have that. It just says that if they have other coverage in force. No, it does. Legally, they have to have it. Yeah. They actually don't anymore, Liz. But if you look at the, the sentence that starts, I'm going to read it out loud here. If an eligible employee chooses not to take the health insurance coverage and has other coverage in force, the town will pay $150 per month as health insurance compensation to the employee. Right. So that covers it right there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Just don't come to me crying when someone comes to six months. I mean, about their spouse. We can rewrite this. We can rewrite the policy again next month, whatever. But hold on. I want to say something else. So I think we should keep it that they have other coverage in force because what we don't want to do is have people not take health insurance. I know. I'm just saying Randy says that used to be a requirement and a requirement. But I think that we want to make sure people have coverage and not be reimbursing them so that they don't have to pay for health insurance and make money. Right. We want them insured is what I'm saying. We want them to have health insurance. Absolutely. Okay. Um, so, um, so, and I would just add one more thing just to sort of close this a little bit, um, for, for Shane's purposes to be still on is that like, I feel like this was a specific thing for, um, for retention and, and, um, and a brand new hire. And this wasn't an across the board, um, situation. There just happened to be three people. That only fall into that category. And it feels like you were left out, but I really, I personally don't see it that way that there was, um, that, that, that therefore, um, we need to make sure that this third person also gets this benefit. I think this were two very unique situations, um, for, uh, this situation that we were faced with and that we, um, said moving forward as of the next fiscal year, we will play pay for the, for the spouse, um, on the plan as well. So that's my only final comment on that. Okay. So a quick question. And help me out here. Did we vote on amending this personnel policy yet or not? We did. Yes. We did. Okay. Good. So what we're going to do is review minutes. And then bring up this. Shane's concern at our next meeting. That makes sense to everybody. Yes. Um, I also want to, while you're considering this. I think you also need to consider, um, the agreements that we hire people under. And in some cases we have hired people accruing a different amount of vacation time that we don't go back and change the people who are working for us on how they accrue their vacation time. These, you know, so it's not, I mean, I mean, you have to look at each individual individual case as to how, you know, what we're hiring people at. It's all part of hiring negotiations. You're talking about how much vacation I get. Right. Well, both. So in two instances. When we're in two instances, we hired people at. A higher vacation rate. Then we normally do when somebody starts. We did not go back to the other employees. That had been working for us for five years up to under five years and adjust how they accrued their vacation. So I mean, I think you really will have to look at how you're doing this because otherwise your, your problem is going to continue to snow. Yeah. What you're saying is that was a hiring negotiation. It certainly was with Cheryl. Yeah, right. No, I understand. Yeah, I agree. I agree with that because at any individual time, depending on the candidate coming to us, um, they may have negotiations and if at that point in time, the board is willing to, to accept their terms to get them to on board. It shouldn't mean that we have to. Go adjust everybody else. Right. And so you've got to, I mean, so these benefits kind of go. All different ways. Yeah. Well, I can tell you over the, over the years and not just in the town of middle sex. It was. I'm not saying impossible, but almost impossible to hire somebody who had, let's say three weeks vacation and all they were going to get was one week or two weeks or whatever just doesn't work. So, you know, I don't know whether we need to amend our personality policy to say. I think that's, I think that comes in negotiations. Right. That's not a, that's not a violation. That's a negotiation of hiring somebody. I agree with that. Yeah. Okay. And I also suggest that we, um, You know, on a yearly basis. And maybe the service or maybe to Rinda's job actually might make more sense. Is that you give, um, like my husband gets one every year, basically a letter saying like, thank you for your continued employment. This is what you are making. It usually happens like when it's like cola time or something like that. And it shows you what you're making. And it also puts a value of the benefits. Um, that you're earning so that you can see your bottom line package. I think it's really important. The people are reminded that they're not just making 50,000. They're making 80,000. Um, with all of their benefits. Um, and I just think it's a good practice. We've done that before. Um, when we've talked about hiring people and people asking for raises, we've taken their and given them a printout of their benefit package. Do you do that for, do you, do you, uh, calculate that every year when you do the town report anyway? Like at that point, if we, if, if you said, okay, when I do the town report, all that information is going to be readily available. I'm just going to print off some letters and mail them. Is that. I mean, yeah, I could pull it from there as we're doing the budget. Um, but what I've gone through, because each person is going to be able to, you know, get a boot allowance that doesn't, you know, somebody else in town doesn't necessarily get. Um, so we would have to just, you know, it would have to be tweaked, but it is something that can be done. It's something you think you have the capacity to do to render, or that would be a Sarah thing. No, it would all have to come from numbers from the payroll and that type of stuff. The insurance. It sounds like a, like a July one thing, or when they get. Like a raise. Isn't that a July one thing too? Yeah. What I can do is see how long it takes me to do one. I've got, like, a handful of them done already. So once you get the template in place, all you'd have to do is update the hourly rate every year. And that would be able to take care of it. Yeah. Yeah. I would tell you it's probably a good idea because I, I agree. I mean, I've implemented that at places where I had that kind of responsibility. And it was, did it cause, causes some people to appreciate their employment a little more when they see the whole thing. Yeah. I mean, retirement. Right. All that stuff into health insurance. Life insurance. I don't know. What else? Like the employer's portion of retirement went up quite a bit this year where the employees portion. Didn't change. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I think that would be a good idea if we can do it, but let's, let's, we're getting close to the end of the year. We'd make it. Maybe you can talk about it again. You can think about it to render and see if it's something that's feasible. I'll do one up and see how. Simple it goes. Thanks. Okay. Okay. Thank you, everyone. Highway department. Report on. Uh, Uh, Highway department. Report on update of erosion remediation on Baldoch and Tangle town roads action, not necessary. An approval of the annual financial aid to highways action likely. Is this you, Shane or Victor? Either one. We've done. From. Tankle town intersection. Up Tangle town. Tangle town's all done. Hydro seating in stone. Um, and we're down to. It's Jamie's nephew's driveway right now. So we probably have. I don't know. Seven or eight loads of stone left. To put in a couple of ditches, clean a couple of ditches back out where some mud slid and, uh, I just see that in bulldog road will be done. Probably a couple of three more days. Great. Great. Thank you. I would like to tell you that I saw Jamie bulldog yesterday. And all he could do was sing your praises. And he said, if there's anything. You ever need me to do, to tell you how great. Shane is. Call me. I was like, we know Shane is great. And thank you for telling us again. There we go. He says you're very easy to work with. And he very much appreciates your leadership. Well, in between doing that over there, trying to grade on the nice days. Got people on potholes, patched on bridges. And on tiring on dirt. We're getting the next week is going to be a good week. So. We should build caught up on all grading by the next week. Great. And where are we? Where are we on our paving? Project plan. I think. As soon as we get done bulldog. The machine moved to center row. Peel up the pavement from. Where the pavement ends back to McCullough. We got two culverts to change there. And that's the worst part of the pavement. And then there's some ditching needs to be done on it. Some other culverts. Need to be changed. But I think you're going to have to hire those out. They're a lot deeper. And I don't know if our machine can do it or not. And I think you have to have a trench box and we don't have one. Right. When we're, when we complete that, the paving can commence. They are. Waiting for us. They want to pave it. I think it's still. Because we initially had talked to August. To begin in September time to let the pavement. And. Hutchins is doing root two. And they're doing from root two to our line on Santa road. And they want to build a pave the whole thing at once. And I believe. EJ told me that was in August that they were going to be paving that section. But I got to find out from him again, but I'm pretty sure that's what he said. Okay. And I'll get the price on it and make sure the price went up a little bit, not as much as I thought it would. So he's hoping it'll have a chance to drop to with the. Markets the way they are. So. Yeah. But that's where we're standing on that stuff right now. Okay. Victor. No, I just got a couple, a couple of calls. Today. And I understand why we wouldn't want to do it because we're going to rip it out. But we have a couple of holes down there. By eating crows all place. And. Yeah. But. That's where we're standing on that stuff right now. Okay. Victor, anything from your. See. No, I just got a couple, a couple calls. Today. And I understand why we wouldn't want to do it because we've got a couple of holes here. So he's going to send it in. Yeah. That's where we're going to place it in. Cheryl and. James place. Before you get to Brook road, that has some pretty, a couple of deep. Hot holes. Is that something that. We're going to put some stain mat in those for gravel. Just to sustain it until. Get there and rip it up. I really don't want to put. Cold? Rip it back out. just keep an eye on if the gravel starts to get out of there, just put a little more in there. Yeah, that's what I figured we'd start doing. I mean, how much is those cans of pavement you mix up? I don't know, never priced one of those cans. Because I don't think your stay match is going to stay in there very long. It's just my opinion, but we don't have to discuss it now. All right, yeah, we'll figure out something. Okay. We're gonna fill it up mostly with gravel and then top it with some cold patch, just a... Yeah, there you go. That might be the way to do it. I mean, the problem is, as we all know, once you start fixing potholes, they're potholes everywhere. Oh, yes, we got a lot fixed on shady reel too. Right, right. Any questions, anybody, four members? I have a quick question. I was looking for the warranty on the JD on the John Deere because we just paid our repair bill when I know we paid part of it, even though it was under warranty, but we don't have in the office what the warranty covers or is that something you have, Shane? I do believe I do, if not, I will get it. Yeah, and we also signed an extended warranty. Right, it doesn't cover coming out on the road, it covered all the parts, and it covered the guys' labor, but that was just what it cost them, how much they charge per hour to come on a road call. And that was that one night I missed that board meeting because it couldn't be driven back to the job. It looked like we paid for both labor and the road call. That's why I was wondering. Well, as he put it, because I asked him, and he said he put the labor, it was just how you pay so much a mile and then the labor is how much the truck cost to get there or something to that effect, because he was in Ball, Essex or Williston, and it came down, then they, I think you have to pay till he gets back to his house or back to the shop. So I think most of that was mileage is my understanding, because I called them up on it. So it sounds like you're saying that we're paying for the traveling labor, but once he's on site, actually we're working on the machine, they're not charging us for the time he's actually at our shop fixing it, and then once he gets back in the truck, he's on travel labor, I'll call it, and that's what we're paying for. Yep. It'd be good just to have a copy here. It would be good just to have a copy if we could. All right, I'll get you one. Okay, we have the annual financial plan for the town of Middlesex Highways. So this shows our expenses and the state's, well, it shows the state's contribution in the town funds, basically. Anybody have any questions about that? The motion to approve. So moved. Thanks, Steve. All in favor, please say aye. Anybody opposed? All right. How much of a hurry you're in, but it would be nice if we could let Dorenda do her report and then go into executive session if that's all right with you. Sure. It doesn't matter because I've got to be here for other business and all too. You can just, somebody can take over. So let's just follow the agenda then and we need a motion to go into executive session. And the executive session should include Shane and Victor. And I guess for convenience, I'm going to suggest we include Dorenda because I don't know how we'll get in time. I could suppose we can call you on the cell phone Dorenda and tell you to- Well, no, all you've got to do is move me out. I can make, Liz can become the host or something and then just call me back in when it's done. Okay, all right, okay. So who made the motion to go into executive session? I'll make that motion to go into executive session under the grievance clause. In the second? And to invite Victor and Shane as well. Yeah. Oh, second. Seconded by Steve. Okay. You know what's that? Okay. Wait a minute, I got up. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait. Yeah, wait a minute. And tell me again where I remove people from the waiting room. Over to more. Once I turn it over, you'll go to more. You go over their name and you put them in the- Okay, right, right, right, yeah. Okay. Yeah. So let me run the motion. Okay, all in favor. Aye. Aye. Anybody opposed? Okay, we're in, so. All right, I'm putting, no, we're not in. I have to put Jorinda into the waiting room. Okay, no, I'm not waiting to see her disappear. I have to put my friends from ORCA in the waiting room. Got it. Put in waiting room. Yes. Okay. Awesome. And I have to record. Okay. I'm going to sex as the host now. So it should reflect that we have, we have come out of executive session and we are taking no further action. Okay. Got it. Okay, Jorinda, treasurer's report. Well, I passed on the latest budget status report. And that is only through the end of last month. So that does not include any of the payroll or the APs for tonight. So that's another $28,000. So when you say last month, you mean April? This includes everything. April, yeah. Right, yeah. But it doesn't include tonight's orders. Right. So, so this is like almost 85%. And then we've got this on there now. Yep. Gonna be tight. Well, I think if it's gonna be over, I don't think it's gonna be tight. I think it's gonna be over. Okay, first of all, thinking it's gonna be tight. Right. Right. So here's, and we don't have to make a decision about this tonight, but if in fact it's a legitimate use of ARPA funds for some of these extra expenses that we incurred, we should consider reimbursing ourselves before the end of the year. It's gonna be confusing if we take the money in the next fiscal year. At least I think so. I don't know what you would think, Jorinda, but I would think we should try and take it in this year. Well, if we're gonna use ARPA funds, we've got until next March, technically, to use it. So. I understand that, but I mean, just in terms of making our budget appear in balance, I don't know. I don't know if it's actually going to, yeah. I don't know, and that brings up a good point how we actually post all that. So. Right. I think it'd be unbudgeted revenue, wouldn't it? Yeah. Well, we go against that ARPA money. So right now we have a rent line item that says ARPA funds. So I think it would just be an offset to the ARPA funds, which it's all gonna go to the bottom line when all is said and done anyway. Yeah. And right now it's just a single line item. The question is, does it make sense to consider making an entry before the end of the year? And we've got some time to think about that. And I would like you to think about it. I mean, whatever you recommend is gonna carry a lot of weight, but I just, I like the idea of having the numbers balance out a little more closely than they're gonna right now. Yes, Randy. So I had a quick look at it and I have some more questions than this one, but this is the only one that jumps in my head right off the top. I was looking at the line item for mud mitigation, Durinda. And I think that was, it was in the realm of $20,000 or something like that when I looked at it. But in our previous meetings, I think the numbers that were pushed out verbally were somewhere between 50 and 75,000 that we were spending with all the gravel that we were pulling in and whatnot. So is there a classification issue with how we're coding things? And I'm wondering if it has an impact in this potential money coming from the state to help towns with mud mitigation. If it's not in that line item, does that create problems for us down the road? Well, we create, first of all, we're posting it to however Shane has coded it out. We don't put the coding on the bills. So if he posts it to gravel, it goes to gravel. If he posts it to mud mitigation, it goes to mud mitigation. We don't know where the product's going when we see a bill. So, but it's easier to, if it's truly being used for mud mitigation and we're filing a grant for something to get that money back, it's certainly a lot easier to go through and just pull up that one account number rather than going through all the gravel bills and that type of stuff. Yeah, that's a lot of work, isn't it? It's a lot of work, Steve. And I did mention this, I don't know, two, three meetings ago. And my understanding was that he was keeping a folder, I guess, at his office of putting everything in it. And I suggested we start, not only just the bills themselves, but we should be recording the hours spent on doing it. And we would get the usage. And so, but nothing has come to the office. And if something was coming, if we got something at the office, we would just start a file on that and it would all be there. But I don't know what he's doing. But it sounds like we can go back. Like if this grant comes down, then it sounds like we can go back and reclassify things specifically that'll be covered underneath that grant. It's not gonna put us at risk of not being able to capture the full value of that. No, we can always go back and figure out what went to what. But it's how, if anybody ever wanted to look back into the records, it would be beneficial maybe to know we really didn't spend X number of gravel just for regular road work, that it was part of a mud mitigation situation. So it is better to have it classified correctly if that's truly what it's being used for. Yeah, and I think the other thing that came up in my head when I was looking through was, and we had this conversation prior, but the culvert budget was like at a site compared to what we've spent versus what they budgeted in. And I know that we had some culvert stuff that Shane was just talking about in the paving. So just, if grants can cover that kind of stuff, it seems like it would be more appropriate to throw it in the paving section for whatever value that is. But again, if it doesn't create an issue, then it doesn't create an issue. It's just the person who's gotta sit down and look it all back up, right Steve? Yeah, that's right. When we go use those culverts, can't we code those to the paving project? So, I mean, we, Shane, we did a good thing when we bought them last year because they're a lot more expensive this year. So I think we, I couldn't tell you exactly how much we saved, but I must've saved some. And the other question adds, oh, how much are we paying for diesel fuel right now? Do you know during that? There was a bunch of, I don't have it upstairs with me, but there was diesel fuel in the orders tonight. Is that still on your table down there? I'm gonna go look right now. Let's see, wait a minute. So, borns we paid, let's see. Borns, energy. That was all LP. Randy's got the thing down there. I don't know if there was something in there for diesel or not. The other thing- All three borns bills are for LP. Right. LP, yeah, I'd have to go back. I can look at another bill in the file. One of the last bills that we had, I think, in the orders, and I think the price was up at 430 something, in that neighborhood. I think it's over four. Yeah. And that's what that's not paying the tax on it, isn't that correct? Not being what? Paying the tax on it, the fuel tax. There's two taxes. There's one that the state implemented that we have to pay that is used to offset some monies they're giving people for something. And we can't get out of that tax. We tried to get out of it and we can't. But we are not paying sales tax, regular sales tax on anything. I wanted to ask the select board is that, and I don't mean any disrespect, I'm not, but is there anything that jumps out at you? I mean, I don't get to see the orders, but is there anything that jumps out at you that seems like we're spending a lot of money for or doesn't quite look like this bill from John Deere? I didn't know about that till tonight. I know that probably John Deere told, I know John Deere told Shane that, but boy, that just does not add up very good on a brand new machine. Absolutely. And I personally have run in with John Deere and they will charge you just about anything and just hope you pay for it. Now it sounds like a broad boy, John Deere's terrible, but I mean, I'd like to follow up on that. And I mean, I would do it with Shane tomorrow or the next day when I can talk to him. I think that's a good idea. I just can't believe it that they would, that they, you know, they're gonna try to, I've never on a no piece of equipment. No. Is it, I thought it was a year old now. Is it not the greater? Well, not quite, I think. No, I know. No, I mean- No, I know. I'm just wondering, did we like it, did our warranty expire and it was 12 months in one day? No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. In addition to the regular warranty. Can I ask a question, Vic, on this, this makes me think of Randy's question about coding and where stuff gets coded. Does summer maintenance have a date that is like from this month to this month is considered summer maintenance and winter maintenance is from this month to this month? Like where does mud season fall in under winter maintenance? Or summer? And then our fiscal year is July one, which is my big summer. There's not a set date. I think it's more what the item is that you're paying for or what is being charged to you. So mud mitigation would fall under, I think it's under summer. Summer? Well, so mud mitigation was actually under its whole, a whole separate category than summer maintenance. But like the stone that you bought and the gravel, I think that fell under winter. Let me look again. It should fall under, what we've bought so far should fall under mud mitigation, even though it's going to be in the road forever, so it could be summer gravel, but I think it's just what the- Yeah, like summer gravel is 106% over budget. I mean, it's a 6% over budget, I guess. And that was probably stuff that we bought that went into mud mitigation. Correct. Yeah, we've spent $20,000, it says right now on mud mitigation. Right, but that is, who knows? Like, because I thought what Randy said, that this season has cost us 70 to 80,000. Where is that money? That's what I remember. I said 75 the last meeting. 75. Yeah, but where is that money? Like where is that in this? It's mixed between mud mitigation, summer maintenance, equipment repairs, right? All that kind of stuff. I think it's mostly in, I think, yeah. Road gravel and trucking is my guess. Trucking is a big item now. We don't think much about it, but trucks, well, I think those trucks are like 92 bucks and I think they're gonna, I don't know what they're going to, but some people are trying like a hundred. Right. So I guess the point is it sounds good that Shane has a folder that's like specific to this disaster that we had, but it does seem like it's, you know, coding is one of those things that, you know, unless you really know why you're coding, you might just randomly code to like, oh, this makes sense to code to here. We're absolutely right, Liz, in that, you know, if we, if he, you know, if we're running over the budget item for, you know, one gravel, we will put it in another budget item for gravel so that it doesn't run one way over and then we don't have anything in the other one. We do do that. I don't know if that's incorrect, but that's what would happen. Well, so here's a prime example. There's, you call it Randy Flex, flex money. Flex money. Here's a prime example of one of the things that I was looking at was, so under construction, under the highway department's budget, there's ditch stone. And we had a budget of $1,600. We've spent $39.69, but then up underneath the summer maintenance, if you look at the ditch stone, like there's stone ditch lining, we had a budget of $78.12, we haven't spent a penny of it. So I guess my brain, you know, and there's probably a clear definition somewhere for that, but my brain just says, okay, well, if you've got stone under summer, or ditch stone under summer maintenance and ditch stone under construction, what's differentiating the two and we're almost 250% over on one and we haven't even touched the other. Okay, we'll have to look at that. We have to do a better job there. I think like some of that is on Bulldog Road that we're using right now to line the ditches and line the culvert and stuff. And so that's gonna go up. We've just been getting that this last couple of weeks because we had kind of a rush on it because A&R, well, Jim Ryan kind of got after us, put the pressure on us. And then Ryan McCall, who was the enforcement guy kind of gave us a break and said, you guys are doing a good job and just let me know. So we've been going at it for at least two weeks and we figured we got, I think Shane said tonight, he figured he had three to five more days over there to get that done. So, but we have, I know I was there last night and they had 14 loads of ditches in the town garage so that they could get it quicker and use it up on Bulldog Road. So that won't reflect, that's still gotta be turned into into Durinda. Could I just ask another broader question while we're on the subject? Is there a reason why we have summer and winter maintenance? I have never understood that. I mean, why isn't it just road maintenance? Why are we trying to just divide it up between winter and summer? I think it's as we differentiate between plowing, salting, sanding and gravel and winter sand. When I understand, why don't we have the appropriate categories and it's just all in there? Why can't I? I don't understand the, all I'm saying is, while we're talking about recoding things and how we code things, why aren't we trying to divide it up? I mean, if we buy stone and we use some of it for mud mitigation and some of it for construction and some of it for this and some of it for that, don't we really just need to know unless we're trying to get reimbursed on a grant that we spent X dollars on gravel? I don't know, I'm asking, I'm asking a question because I've never understood why we put all the effort to divide it up between winter and summer. And I think there's a lot of cross, a lot of cross pollination that goes on between the two as I said. So. Right, there is. And I think at some point that quite a while ago, somebody asked to have it separated out between a lot of things, I mean, sand and winter sand and plowing and plows and all that stuff, they wanted it separated. I'm sure that Victor, I'm sure that's what happens. All I'm saying is, does it make sense any more? That's my question. I think I for myself, I don't think it does. I don't think it adds any value at all to the process. And if we need a category that says winter sand, we're going to know it's winter sand. If we have a category which says ditching stone, we're going to know it's ditching stone. I mean, we can have categories like that, which tell us what it is. But for instance, we have, you know, we have all this winter and summer maintenance stuff and then all the truck maintenance is broken out in another place. The labor isn't included. It's broken out in another place. I mean, it just doesn't make any sense to me. We certainly can do that. I had some recollection actually that Steve, when you wrote Road Commissioner, you broke the budget down like that because you wanted a fire grain analysis to look at where we were spending the money basically seasonally. And I could be wrong, but I thought that's where that came from. A lot of that. I think it's been there forever. Well, it has been, but we were trying to refine it, you know, when we were trying to, you can ask Dorinda, we keep trying to make a category so that we're breaking things out differently. And I guess what I'd suggest is that Victor and Shane go through this thing and give them some time to do this and try to come up with how they think it should and bring it to the board, right? Because we can all second guess on all kinds of things on that. I would tell you from my past experience and hopefully everybody would agree if we're gonna do this, we should do it at the start of the fiscal year otherwise it causes chaos. Well, might I suggest that you wrap in the finance folks with that as well? Just so that at all, you know, the- Well, what do you mean wrap the finance folks in with that discussion on where to put stuff? No, as far as like what makes sense for like the needs of both parties like the highway department may have certain needs and then the finance department may have certain needs. And just instead of having two separate efforts or having one come and say this, just have a sit down and say this is what makes sense and go from there. Cause I just, I find that whenever I have to do something like that, it's easier just to include the person on the financial end right up front than having the person after. The person on the financial end like Dorenda is the one thing that we needed from her and she's been helping me for quite a while on this is actually helping us with the codes, what we should do with the codes, but not necessarily anything else with the budget or how to do any of that. I mean, I can't see where Dorenda would be intertwined in that anymore, but maybe you're wrong. Here's my suggestion on this folks. As much as it makes sense to implement it July 1st having had a few seconds to think about this, I think what it makes sense to implement it is when we're doing the budget. Cause we've already done the budget with these categories and we don't have a lot of time between now and July 1st to implement anything. So I think what we should do is in the legislature, they would call us a summer study committee, but work on this and be ready to have the new categories in force when we do our budget next fall and then it gets implemented July 1st the following year when that budget is effective. The other thing that the other just comment I would make just quickly and I'll recognize you Dorenda is when it comes to figuring out what we spend and what we spend in the summer and what we spend in the winter, it's easy enough to look at the month by month reports and see where we're spending the money, you know? I mean, you look at what we spend on all these things from December 1st until May 1st, that pretty much gives you the winter maintenance and what we spend the rest of the year is the summer maintenance. I don't know. I just don't think the winter summer thing brings a lot of value. But anyway, my recommendation would be that we work on it over the summer, get ready to implement it. We're gonna make changes at budget time and then make the new accounts effective a year from July 1st. I think trying to do it between now and July 1st is gonna be impossible and it's gonna screw up our budget. We're gonna have to redo the budget and all that stuff and it's already been approved by the voters with those categories. I agree, I think that's a good idea, Peter. So I think we've beaten the dead horse on the subject unless I think they're all good comments. I think it's a good, I can't ever remember, I can remember us adding accounts and maybe deleting a few random accounts. But I don't ever remember in my reign on the budget committee and on the select board that we ever really looked at the chart of accounts and said, you know, we changed around how we do the payroll yesterday. I think this year's problem is one person created the budget for this current year and the other person, another person is coding out for the current year. So I don't think they know how that budget came about, what was included in those numbers when the budget was made. So I think that's the biggest problem affecting this year. I think, but to Victor's point, I mean, I have maybe two people should be signing off on these bills or do we send juice? I mean, the problem is, is when I send these edit lists out, they're already done. So, you know, it's kind of like backing up, you know, that maybe for a while, you know, we have two people sign off on those that or normally the bills are signed off. I mean, we do them mostly on Monday mornings, but you know, if there's another way that we can get these to Victor or something or a Herman Shane sit down and code them out together. But I do, you know, there's, I hate to send it to you afterwards because it's already done unless we go back and recode stuff. And that's the problem. And something you said even earlier is you can't go back and change the coding on something that's in a previous year. I can do it all in the current year budget, but once we cross over that July 1st, I can't go back and change it. So those are just things to keep in mind. On this report that you give us while we're talking about this budget report, is there, if it's easy, does the software allow you to maybe at the total under each category, like total government, total insurances, whatever, does it, is there a column that you can put, which is the percentage of the year remaining, especially because like, sometimes this is like through a certain time period, that way we can say like, okay, we've used 84% of our budget and, but we're only 50% of the year through or something like that or total amount of the year already accounted for. Does that? That's what each line item is. So if you look at any particular line item, if you wanted to go back to the very first page, you know, let's just take, you know, select board wages. The budget was $3,715. We've actually paid out $3,546.52. So that we're at 90% of that line item. No, I know. I'm thinking more about things like. Remaining time left. The remaining time left, right? So wages are sort of not, that it would be more like, we spent this much on sand and, but we still have six months left, right? What's the remaining time left? Well, that tells you at the top of the report, we're in current budget year 10, there's only 12 budgets, so you know you've got two left. All we have to do is a little bit of math and we knew that ourselves. No, I know, I just, I find it in my own budgeting work at work, very helpful to see, like, especially on things like, you know, with grant amounts that, oh, I'm overspending this grant because I, because I, you know, I've already spent 60% of the grant, but I still have 70% of the year left or whatever. You know, that's, But all I think we're trying to say, is that I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but let's say, just to make it simple, let's say the year is three quarters done instead of 10, 12 done. So it's 75%. Why would look at the report and I would say, okay, if it's a pro rata expense, we should be at 75% of our annual expenditures. The other problem is many of these categories, and I'll use winter sand as a good example, you know, we spend 100% of that when we put up our, when we put up our winter sand in the fall and we don't spend any the rest of the year. So unless you're going to go through a very complicated budget process where we don't, you know, we break out the amounts by month. So we put all the winter sand in, we put the debt- No, it's fine, it actually helps. I didn't even notice that thing at the top. That's helpful to me that we're in period 10. Like, I don't think I've ever known that that's what that even meant. Yeah. So that's helpful to me to look at this to say, okay, we have two months left, May and June. Peter, I've got to get going. I was going to try to leave 15 minutes ago, but I do have to leave. Oh, he's... He's out of the problem. All right. Bye, Steve. All right, Peter, Peter, I've got to leave. So I don't think we've got too much left. No, we need to wrap up our meeting. You don't have anything on any of the minutes, right? No. Okay. We need to wrap it up. It's after seven o'clock. We need to wrap this up. I think that was a good discussion. I think we just need to remember to follow up and we need to remember to follow up. And I wrote myself a note on Shane's concern as much as I think we know what we want to do. I think we just need to... I want to read the minutes and then make a decision at the next board meeting. Are you all set, Dorenda? You need anything else? So do you want me to do with orders for Victor? Does he want to review them before they're paid? Or, I mean, you guys bring up ideas, but it's never... Well, here's what I would suggest. You know, we're two months from the year end. I would say whatever the new practice is gonna be, we implement it July 1st. But that's just me. If you want to implement it on an interim basis as a treasurer, that's fine with me. What do you think, Victor? I want a sign-on bonus. We are continuing. I think that's right. I'll start fresh. And I'll just look at them. And if I have any questions, I'll bring it up to Shane. And if we have any questions, we'll bring it up to the board. Okay. That work for you, Dorenda? Yeah, it's so you want me to send you the edit list after it's done. Like I send the select board. No. I think the idea is to have them look at the invoices and how they're coded before you do the edit list. So you're not going back to... Okay, well, then he needs to get together with Shane on that because once they reach our desk, they get posted as coded. All right. Yep. I can cut him off at the pass. There you go. There you go. Sounds like a deal. Okay, thank you. See you, Steve. Have a good night, Steve. Good night, Steve. Good night. Okay, we need to approve our April 19th and April 26th minutes. If there are no changes, I would suggest we make one motion. Yeah. I'll move. Second fell. Okay. It's been moved in second to approve the April 19th and April 26th minutes. All in favor? Aye. We have orders down at the 10 clerk's office to sign. I'll be down tomorrow, Dorenda. Me too. Okay, I've got two already. So... Okay. And we need to sign that. We also need to sign that town, highway report thing, right? Yep, that's in there. Yep. Okay. Is there anything else in there? Nope, those are the only... There's something waiting that you've already signed that we're waiting for somebody else to come in and sign. Okay. Okay. Martha or Margaret Schwartz? Oh, the... Margaret Schwartz has to sign it or something. Well, yeah. Okay. Or just when you go down there to sign and I've made the mistake too, make sure you look at everything in there because I've missed things in the past too. Here we go. Discussion of returning to in-person select board meetings. COVID is on the rise. Yeah, I don't think we should. Washington County. I think we... I mean, maybe we'll be able to July 1st. I don't know, but I think this is the wrong time when things are going in the wrong direction. Yep. So unless anybody disagrees, I say we continue with our remote meetings. Correspondents, I'm sure we don't have any. Anybody have anything else for tonight? So are you gonna readdress that in 30 days? Is that what you're gonna do? What was our thing that we said? Didn't we say we would address it every so often? The first two years every month. Yeah. You said every month? Yeah, let's say 30 days. Sure. I just don't... I was thinking we should do it and then I've listened to all the stuff over the last week. It seems like we waited this long, we shouldn't be doing it now. Yeah. These new strains are supposedly 10 times more infectious than the old strains for Christ's sake. And at first it was only a couple of counties and I think all of Vermont now is in the high contagion category. And Washington County is one of the highest. It is, yes. No. And there's a highest vaccinated too. Yep. That's a tight figure that one out. How does that work out? Yeah. Anything else, anyone? Okay, then I am going to the first meeting. Thank you all once again for your time and attention. Thank you. Thank you. Bye. Everybody. Have a good evening. Good night.