 Alleluia, Resorexit si cutixit Alleluia, Ora pranobis Deum Alleluia, Gaudie leitari Virgo Maria Alleluia, Quia quen merwisti portari, Quia sorexit domino svere Alleluia. Horemos Deumus Quia pa desa reksionan viri tui Domini nostri Jesus Christi mundom leitificare diniatus as presta quesumus, Quia perejus cenetriča in Virgina Maria, perpetue ka biyamos, Gaudia vitae, periundim Christom dominam nostrom, O meri kensivot al sen, prefres rapostidi, St. Francis de Seus, prefres. The name of the father of the son of the Holy Ghost. Amen. The final part was when Pope Gregory the Great ended up adding that into the plague of Rome that he was around, if anybody wasn't familiar with that. Canon, welkom. He's with the Institute of Christ the King of Southern Priests, which headquarters is in Chicago, Illinois, and he's the provincial superior of them, ordained by Colonel Burke, if I'm right, right? Yes, that's right in 2007. And Burke's a big fan of you guys apparently. Is that correct too? Well, we're grateful, Cardinal Burke, when he was the Bishop of La Crosse, Wisconsin, he invited the Institute to begin serving in the United States in 1995. And then when he was made Archbishop of St. Louis, some years later he invited us to start in St. Louis at St. Francis de Seus Oratory in 2005. And so he's ordained, I would say, about 70 of the priests of the Institute, and he's a wonderful spiritual father, and we pray for him daily, and he always remembers our names, which is very impressive. He's a phenomenal memory that just shows the love that he has as a very paternal spiritual father. You know, I'm sad I was supposed to go down in June to meet him in Mexico, but I think that's gotten delayed, so not pulling that one off. But Kanaki, can you tell us a little bit about the Institute? Yes, so the Institute was founded and granted canonical status in 1990. Our founder, Monsignor Vaak, he was ordained a priest by Pope John Paul II in 1979. And he worked in Rome for the Congregation of Clergy during the early part of the 90s while he was studying in Rome. And he was encouraged by some of the, you could call the traditional Roman school of churchmen, people like Cardinal Palazzini, Cardinal Lodi, Monsignor Pilanti, who was the director of the Lateran University. They encouraged him to found a community, a priestly community that would really hand on the traditional Roman formation. And so by God's grace, he did that in 1990, and our mother house was in Florence, Florence where it still is today, but it was started there in Florence, and we were welcomed by Cardinal Pivinelli and Archbishop of Florence. And the Institute was of Dasis and Wright of Florence up until 2008. We were granted the Pontifical Wright status pro tempore. And then in 2016, the Feast of St. Francis sales, we were granted the definitive and the long term of the permanent status of the Pontifical Wright. So, our mother house is located in Florence, so to lean from there, we serve in 12 countries around the world. And the Institute is really a family, so there are the priests, there are, of course, the seminarians studying to be priests. There are also brothers, so men who receive the traditional minor orders and perhaps even the sub-deaconate, but they don't want to study to be priests. They want to serve the church, serve souls in the local apostles together with the priests alongside the priests. And then we also have sisters. So women, the female branch was founded in 2002, so these are our sisters who want to live a life dedicated to the liturgy. They chant the divine office, the meditation, daily adoration, and they also make vestments and other liturgical items. And they also work with female youth teaching catechism and doing some activities for female youth. Things like summer camps, for example, and sometimes periodic activities throughout the year. So, the Institute really forms this family, and there's also a lay people who decide to make a commitment to our spirituality and they become members of what we call the Society of the Sacred Heart, which is, I guess, you could say the third order of the Institute per se. So, it's really a family of souls on three continents, Europe and Africa in Gabon. Monsignor Vox served as the vicar general of a diocese in Gabon in the 80s. And when the Institute was canonically erected, it was erected by the Bishop of Moulin in Gabon. And to this day, we have a school there now and a flourishing mission in Moulin and other places throughout the country of Gabon. And here in the United States, we're serving currently 18 dioceses. Chicago is our provincial headquarters. And we serve coast to coast from California from the Bay Area to Connecticut and in Louisiana and all the way up into Wisconsin. So, really kind of the four corners there of the continental of the United States. Yes, I met these guys a couple of months ago in Raleigh. And they're fantastic. We're going to talk about a little bit of what Canon mentioned in his lecture on St. Joseph and St. Francis Sales, which will be linked below the video. You can watch the entire video under there on their website, which you can go there and help donate to them as well. Canon, speaking of that, why is St. Francis Sales, connected with you guys? Yes. So St. Francis Sales really has a very unique method to teach, to educate souls. And that's why St. John Bosco, he called his order the salisions because he found that the approach of St. Francis Sales, his writings, his character, his method is very helpful and helping souls to learn more about God and to become devout. St. Francis Sales really has a spirituality of attraction. He wants to attract souls to Christ. It's a little bit like, imagine you have a young boy and his father at the dinner table. And the father is saying, look son, you got to eat your vegetables, you got to eat your spinach, you got to eat all that. And he can just order the son, he can kind of beat it into a son if he has to. And the son might resist, he might not really want to do that because it doesn't like the taste, etc. But you know, if the father seeks to attract his son to the goodness of that, he says son look, these vegetables are good for you because it gives you nutrients, it gives you these vitamins, you can be big and strong. If he explains all that, if he leads by example, if he eats together with his son, if he tries to attract his son to know the goodness that these vegetables will bring to him, that's really what St. Francis Sales is trying to do in the spiritual life. Teach us why virtue is good for us, why God's goodness attracts us. He wants to show us how holy life is a happy life and how practicing the virtues like charity and goodness brings a joy and a peace which this world cannot give. So it's a spirituality that it's very accessible. He says look, you know, you don't always have the chance to do great and flamboyant actions for God. You know, not everyone is a street preacher or missionary in Africa or a martyr giving their blood for the faith. But we all, but each one of us is called the sanctity by practicing what he calls little virtues. Every day we have multiple occasions of practicing little virtues, being faithful to the duties of our state of life in simple things that are right under our nose. You know, we are the chance to practice virtues like patience, gratitude, humility, just simple little virtues like that and by being faithful in the little things and by working and kind of concentrating our spiritual efforts on the little things then we can learn to be faithful in the greater things if God and His providence calls us to do them later on. I remember when you talked about the lead by example with Francis, there was that famous one when he's a, there's a Muslim in the church looking and watching him. It was a heretic of some sort and they thought he was just acting. He was pretending to be pious and then they saw him genuflect and there was nobody in the church except he didn't even know he was being watched and that converted him right on the spot. Yes, he really had a way to attract people. There was one of his servants in the house there actually looked through the keyhole of the door to his office and just to see how he would act when no one else was around and he really acted just as if he acted in a very reverent way, in a very gentle way because he was always conscious that he was in the presence of God. Even when no one else was around, he always conducted himself in a way in a way in which he truly believed that God saw him in every moment and every one of his actions was meant to please God and to serve God. So there's a great book I really recommend that people read about St. Francis, it was written by an eyewitness, a younger bishop actually who looked up to St. Francis sales as a model, as a father and how he himself should be a bishop. It's called The Spirit of St. Francis the Sales and the name of the author is Jean-Pierre Camus or we would say canis in English, C-A-M-U-S, Jean-Pierre canis. The Spirit of St. Francis the Sales. So you have an eyewitness who knew the saint and he writes down the things that he would do that he would say and that he found personally very edifying for him. So I really recommend you can even find it online, The Spirit of St. Francis the Sales there's great little chapters, little anecdotes, really very easy to read and very edifying and uplifting. Perfect, I was hoping you'd bring something out. The only one I've read that's kind of biographer was The Gentleman Saint. Yes, that's a good one too. Yeah, I thought it was great. There was a lot of laugh out loud during it. That's a good one too. There's a great one in French by Monsignor Trochu. Monsignor Trochu, I know the tan prints, some of the biographies like the St. Curie of Ars, St. Jean Vieny and perhaps others written by this French author Monsignor Trochu. I don't think the St. Francis the Sales one is translated. It's a very big, it's actually two big volumes. But that's my favorite. But The Spirit of St. Francis the Sales is great because any time you can really read something that's written by someone who saw the saint, who knew the saint, I think it's very profound and very inspirational. I have to check that out. I appreciate it again. St. Joseph, the virtues of St. Joseph and St. Francis the Sales, the lecture you gave in Raleigh, North Carolina a couple of months ago, can you speak on the virtues that you're mentioning and how they can be related to men today? Yes, well I think one such virtue that really we see in St. Joseph and that St. Francis the Sales wrote a lot about himself as a great example of is the virtue of meekness, meekness. Remember Jesus said, learn from me because I am meek and humble of heart. And in today's world we think that manly strength and being a man is all about kind of a very kind of a human or horizontal understanding which strength is. To be strong you have to go out, you have to attack or you kind of have to be this kind of big kind of muscular guy. We kind of almost that a man is this very kind of horizontal sort of understanding. Well St. Francis the Sales says that really to be truly strong we have to be meek like Jesus and to be really meek we have to be gentle. We have to use self-control. You can have all this manly strength but if you can't control it then it will control you, right? How many times you know anger we lash out in anger. Angry words destroy families and friendships. Anger flares up and gets out of control. St. Thomas actually in speaking about the virtue of meekness he says meekness restrains anger. It's a type of humility that keeps our anger under control. People want to think of gentleness as a type of weakness but actually it's this power of self-control over passion. St. Thomas talks about fortitude, that virtue of spiritual strength. He says the greatest act of the virtue of fortitude is not to kind of go out and to attack. Just kind of one fell swoop. He says actually the greatest act of this virtue of fortitude is to endure. Is to kind of stand your ground and miss the difficulty. To bear with troubles that are ongoing day after day, week after week, year after year. He says that is really the truly strong man. That is really what fortitude is about. It takes courage to be gentle. It takes courage not to just kind of lash out and in patience. Or just to kind of seek the easy way out. No, it takes courage. It takes patience to listen, to look for ways to solve problems. Of course it takes patience to be prayerful. Realizing that God has an answer for the situation I'm dealing with. I have to do this God's way and not my way. But we have to listen, we have to be prayerful. We have to go to confession. We have to be purified spiritually. And that way we can truly help the situation. So we need to be... St. Francis sales would say there's nothing so strong as true gentleness. And there's nothing so gentle as true strength. It's beautiful when you think about it. There's nothing so strong as true gentleness. There's nothing that's truly... And there's no gentleness like true strength. So we see that really with St. Joseph. He was a very meek man and he had to be strong. He had to travel far with his family into Egypt. He had to come back. He had to constantly be adapting to God's plan for his life. And he did so in a way that was truly gentle, truly meek. Because it was God's will and not his own he was seeking. So there's some misconceptions about gentleness. Some people think gentleness is a type of tolerance for anything and everything. But if you remember like our Blessed Mother who was truly gentle, she told people at the wedding feast of Canaan to do whatever my son tells you. Gentleness never compromises the truth. But the truly gentle people, they seek to make the truth better known and better loved in its fullness by the attractive manner in which the truth is presented. We have to really convert souls to Christ. We have to teach people the truth but do it in a way that they'll understand it. That it will be also attractive to them. They'll see that it's good. It's good for them. Like the vegetables are good for the son to eat because it's nourishing for him. It helps him to grow up to become a man. So really the manner in which we do that. That's very important for parents especially I think. It's very good to teach our kids the catechism. We have to do that. That's important. But if we do it kind of in a way we're just kind of commanding them and so on they might react and take it the wrong way and go in the opposite direction. But we want to really teach them in a gentle way. In a firm way but in a gentle way. We have to really preach by example. Teach them that to be Catholic really is to be happy. And that knowing our faith brings us a joy. And if we are examples of that. For examples of patience. For examples of saying we're sorry when we make mistakes as parents. We teach them how to repent of their own faults and family. So we really have to be examples of this gentleness as well. And actually that is truly what's a true strength. Yeah you mentioned not being doorstep. There was a story on Francis sales about somebody taking his hat. In France that's a big thing. You don't do that. He took his hat off and put it behind and wasn't going to give it back. And the guy goes up to him and goes your religion teaches you to turn the other cheek. This is after he slapped him. This is what you're going to do. I know what my religion says. But I don't know if I'm going to do it. The guy gave his hat back. The same Francis sales was a great outdoorsman. He had the education of men of his time. So he was very good with fencing. He loved horseback riding. And he had to do that sometimes. When he was a young priest. He would do these missionary kind of sallies out into territory which had become Protestant. Once was Catholic but Calvinism was rampant. Many churches were closed. The whole countryside had become Calvinist. He would go out there but it wasn't safe for him when he would be preaching out there during the day and meeting with people. It wasn't safe for him to stay there. And no one could give him shelter because they were afraid. He would have to go back to the Catholic fortress miles away and spend the night there. There were people who actually even tried to kill him on that road and he defended himself. He defended himself there. And there was one night too. He kind of got caught up in a tree. It was very cold. And the wolves were hot on his scent. So he went up in a tree to escape the wolves. He had to spend all night up in the tree to enter there in the mountainous region in which today is Switzerland. And there were some sympathetic presence that found him the next morning. He was quite the ice cube. So he was a man of a very strong temperament too. Years later after his death in his office under his desk people saw there was a rug there. And they saw that this rug was all worn away because he had this way of kind of with his feet. When he would get upset, he would get impatient. He would start to kind of like, you know, just kind of move his feet on this rug to try to get himself under control a little bit. You could see where the rug was worn away. So he was not someone who was naturally meek by character. He was a fiery, a fiery-calleric man but he had to learn to get control of himself. He had to learn to really, he had to learn that method of true gentleness, be convinced of it and ask God for the grace to really be that man of true strength by being gentle, by being a father, by attracting people to the good, attracting people to the church, by his mannerisms. I'm sorry, go ahead. So, you know, St. Francis de Sales was, he was named the Archbishop of Geneva. Geneva was in modern day Switzerland and Geneva really was a Calvinist stronghold. And the bishop before him could not even be in Geneva because, you know, the Calvinists had taken over and the civil authorities of the city were Calvinist. And so there were some people that said, well now you're bishop of Geneva, you should go and you should attack. You should get your troops together, you know, get the Duke of Savoy to give you troops and go and attack and take over the city by force. It's rightfully yours. You should even be its prince, not only its bishop, its prince, so go and take it by force. And he was like, you know, people, you don't know what spirit you are. You know, he would cite in the Gospels, you know, the disciples when they said to our Lord, look, this city did not receive you. And, you know, called on fire and brimstone upon that city that didn't receive you, Lord. The Lord said, you don't know what spirit you are. He said, the son of man did not come to destroy souls. He came to save them. And so St. Francis de Sales said, look, you want me to take on this city with cannon and gunpowder that smells like the solfers of hell? No, that's not the way. We're going to take Geneva by the force of charity. And so what he would do over time and he would go into the city kind of, and he would just smile at people. They would smile at them. He would attract them. He would talk to them. You know, Calvinists are not friendly people. They're not warm people. And he would just start to attract and he would, you know, talk to the kids and he would be, and so people had this kind of loving joy about them that people wanted to know what was the secret of that. And so they would start to listen to him. He would give them little pamphlets to read. He would put little pamphlets under the doors of their homes trying to get them to read and to learn that actually our Catholic faith is not at all dismal and drab and gray. No, rather it is, you know, when you serve Christ, when you give your life to spirituality that, again, there's a fruit from this, a joy and a piece, a strength that nothing else in this world can compare to. And he embodied that in his life and that's how eventually he converted well over 70,000 souls back to the Catholic faith. He died, he was only 56 or 54 or 56 years old. He died at a relatively young age. But he accomplished a lot, again, by that recipe of gentleness by attracting souls to Christ. And you can read those tracks if you get the book, the Catholic controversies. Yes, the Catholic controversy, exactly. And also, you know, the controversy was a particular literary genre of its time. It's written very much in the spirit of people of the time. They love to kind of present questions in this way and this kind of, you know, as a controversy. And he, and really all those books, you know, the book that Tan prints is simply kind of a collection of these various pamphlets that are all put together. And it's a wonderful read. Oh yes, great apologetic work. He was a big student of Bellarmine. I found it, it was in a gentleman's saying that he only wanted three books. This was Brevery and the Controversies of Bellarmine. Yes. Yes, he was educated by Jesuits in his youth. He had a Jesuit spiritual director, Father Paul Sauvain, for a number of years. And so he was originally, yes, he really had a great regard for the Jesuits of the time. St. Francis Charles lived in the years following the closing of the Council of Trent. And he was really, he was very much responsible for implementing the reforms of Trent and the teaching and the practice, the discipline of the clergy that the Council of Trent mandated within his diocese, within the kingdom of Savoy. So he was very, very active and he loved people like St. Charles of Boromero as well. He looked up to and other saints of his time. What are some practical examples or practices one could do to become more meek, to reign in the anger? Yes. Well, I think, first of all, it begins with, it begins with going to God and saying, God, you know, I know I don't want to be angry. I don't want to be impatient. I don't want to drive people away from me. So help me. You know, make my heart like unto thine. Jesus, make my heart like unto thine. The spiritual life we have to ask for what we don't have. And beg the Lord, beg the Lord to give you the grace you need to, you know, to be patient, to be gentle. I also recommend in a practical way reading more St. Francis to Sales in his book Introduction to the Devout Life. He has little chapters on particular virtues that we all need to strive on meekness, on patience, for example. And he gives some good little strategies in there. And also he wrote thousands of letters of spiritual direction for people. And those letters have been put together in small little volumes that you can find that are easily available out there. And he wrote to a lot of people who were choleric. And we had a hard time. They were tough characters. It was hard for them to keep their temper under control, be they, you know, women or men. And he would write to them and he had a way. I recommend if you read those letters, he was like writing to me. How did he know me so well? Well, he knows human nature well. He knows human nature well. And so he knows how to really, he knows how to teach us as a good father. So I would recommend at a practical level looking up St. Francis to Sales reading in there and especially introduction to the devout life. And you'll find there are little things that are helpful for you. I think part of it is we don't often look at ourselves from the viewpoint of other people. I think if you put yourself in someone else's shoes and you say, wow, if I say what I say every day, I act how I act every day and if I had to look at myself from the outside, well, would I be happy with myself? I mean, how would I respond? St. Francis to Sales would say you have to, if you're making a salad, you got to use a lot more olive oil than vinegar. You know, you use a little bit of vinegar to give it some taste and that's it. If you put too much vinegar in, no one's going to eat the salad because you can't eat it anymore. And so we need a lot more olive oil than vinegar and how we talk with people. Imagine if the words that you said every day, imagine if, that was like making a salad dressing. Well, would you want to eat at the end of the day what you dished out to others in that day? So I think we need to really take a step back, make an examination of conscience and really ask ourselves, how do I really appear to other people every day and how can I be more Christlike and how I appear to them? I guess it would be if you really want to know the truth, ask your spouse. Right, that's why, yeah, that's why we have to have the humility to take constructive criticism and, you know, we have to understand so many people around us have to be patient with us, don't they? They have to be patient with us, made me ways we're not even aware of. And so if other people can be patient with us, with our shortcomings and failings, et cetera, limitations, well then why should we not be patient with other people? If God, our Father is so patient with us, he's been forgiving us time after time, confession after confession for so many years and even when we were, you know, we led difficult lives and when we were, he called us to conversion, he's been making us more holy, little by little over the years, if God is so patient with us, well then why can't we be patient with other people for love of God? So let's simply ask for that patience, ask for that meekness that we need every day and we'll see in time the more we ask, the more it'll be given to us but we also gotta be good listeners humility really begins with listening you know, even St. Paul says that faith comes from hearing so I think we need to be good listeners and not just hear what we want to hear but really listen and that's why also we have confession because we go to confession and the priest is gonna tell us things we might not like to hear or perhaps things we think we know already but actually we really listen deeper even if we have heard what he's told us already maybe we need to apply that in a different way so let's have the humility to be good listeners and that's gonna help us to be more meek and not make ourselves kind of the center be less self reverential and really ask us and really understand what is God's will for us and how we should treat these people around us and not just our way of doing it it's much more easier to say everyone just listen to me it will be a better place what's another virtue that you touched upon in that lecture got meekness what would be another top three list St. Francis also talks about simplicity simplicity that's a virtue that really we don't hear a lot about you know the first Vatican council in 1870 says that God is is simple in himself amino simplex God is simple, he is pure love he's pure being so there's no complexity of parts in God and so for us we tend to complicate things too much in our lives, sometimes reality is complicated sometimes we're simplistic that's not what we mean here but we need to realize that the more we serve God the more we pray the more we practice faith open charity in daily life then in some ways life becomes less complex becomes more simple to a certain degree and so we need to we need to practice that that simple look I mean our Lord was born in the stable of Etelhame very simple surroundings he died upon the cross and so we need to again, not to over complicate how we live our lives but life is complicated we don't have to be complicated but we simply need to look to our Lord we need to apply in our daily lives the spiritual means we know that are there especially confession and also spiritual communion during these times especially and by looking more at our Lord we'll understand ourselves for who we truly are and by looking more at him we'll see really how we don't need to make attach so much importance to the trinkets and the toys and the things of life that are really so perfilous that really hold us back those unhealthy attachments the more we look at our Lord the more we understand that the more we can sweep that away and our life becomes more simple we appreciate more the simple things of life the graces God is giving us every day the gifts that are all around us but we have to look more at our Lord and less at ourselves in order to have that truly understanding of how we are called to be practice that virtue of simplicity I think we're getting a forceful practice of that right about now these days being able to pray more like Francis of Sales I think he did a spiritual communion for about 15 minutes because he knew about the accidents being in us for about 15 minutes and they did do it again other saints would do it at the top of the hour his eucharistic devotion can you speak a little bit about that yes so Saint Francis of Sales he really loved processions to the Blessed Sacrament of course sometimes early on his priesthood in the Calvinist areas wasn't really possible to be so outward with our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament but later when he could he loved processions to the Blessed Sacrament he also really encouraged priests to celebrate Mass every day which wasn't always done at the time for various reasons and there's a beautiful chapter in the spirit of Saint Francis of Sales about that Saint Francis of Sales really loved the mystery of the incarnation God becoming man and so he loved Christmas he loved the nativity of our Lord that was his favorite feast he said you know God comes down to be born in the stable of Bethlehem as a child to attract our hearts to love him I mean who can say no to a child who can you know God encourages us to love and have confidence in him and so he wants to attract us to show how his divine truth is lovable for us so just as our Lord was born in the stable of Bethlehem as a young child in very humble circumstances very unpretentious while he is born on the stable which is the altar remember the word Bethlehem in Hebrew means house of bread house of bread so our Lord is born again upon our altar sacramentally in the Holy Eucharist during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and so he considered the altar to be sort of the modern day manger of Bethlehem and even he was born the word manger comes from the French word Majois which is the place where it's a feeding trough for the animals so our Lord being born in a feeding trough for animals really shows he is meant to be literally our spiritual food in the Holy Eucharist so he would draw a lot of parallels between the birth of our Lord in Bethlehem and his birth sacramentally upon the altar our Lord becomes really truly substantially present there in the Holy Eucharist under the humble appearances of bread very humble simple appearances and if you look at that with the eyes of the world well you will easily look beyond it looks like nothing to someone with the eyes of the world but with the eyes of faith we know this is really truly substantially our Lord himself and so he was a man a profound devotion to the Incarnation and thus that really inspired his Eucharistic devotion you had to think about when you said bread popped in my head about how our Lord used common things for the sacraments water you can find it everywhere bread everywhere didn't make it as you mentioned simplicity just made it simple didn't make a I want to be sacrilegious or anything like that but he didn't make you know US pride state to be it is something simple right right something is easily available for all of us but also so that he understands that really we're called to be simple humble instruments of God's providence for the people around us when you look at throughout history look at St. Joseph very humble carpenter son of David he was of the rightful ruling class of Judea St. Joseph was but he was a very simple humble carpenter look at our blessed mother again in her magnificat very simple humble handmade of the Lord throughout history God is used time and time again men and women who were very simple very humble but they were extremely they were wiser than the than the smartest scholars and they were more faithful as well because they were really focused on God's will and not their own and so we were called to be humble instruments of God humble instruments of God as well and doesn't necessarily mean we have to do again big flamboyant actions but St. Francis says be consistent be faithful in the little things be consistent make good habits in the little things every day try to plan a seed of faith in the people around you by a smile a kind word a positive communication maybe you can slip in a little bless you happy Easter we're still in the Easter season or you're in my prayers during this difficult time we can also sometimes simply speak from our personal testimony even if people don't have faith even if they're even anti-faith you can say well for me faith really helps me to deal with these problems of life faith makes me more patient faith helps me to be grateful try to find little ways finding a seed of faith in people around you being a being a missionary really bringing the truth in charity to others and you know people won't always be convinced by arguments or by reasonings many times that kind of drives them away but if you do it in an attractive manner with kindness with goodness you're not self seeking you don't want something out of them that's not why you're being kind to them if you do an attractive manner then you can try to maybe bring them along little step by step or you at least allow God the chance to work with them grace to touch their hearts so it's not by the mere human force we convert people know but it's by that force of that sweet force of charity by attracting them to the gentleness of who God is I guess that was always a big question with not just Francis but like St. Anthony too the story of him being invited in by a bishop and at the sermon the opening line was to you and the mitre and just called them out and Francis the sales and his writings you read it and you're going those words we couldn't use to well you have I don't know maybe it's just our modern tone thinking of that you're like there's sometimes they'll say they're pretend religion and things like that how they do it yes well saints live in the context of their time they live in the context of their time and you know there's a Latin saying that saints are to be admired and not always imitated that is we're not necessarily called to do everything exactly like how the saints did because they lived in certain times but what we could do is though is we should be praying we should be receive a good Catholic education in spirituality etc so then we can practice the virtue of prudence we call St. Joseph Joseph most prudent how to apply the principles of our faith to individual circumstances every day it's already praying a morning offering St. Francis the sales has a great recipe for the morning offering and his introduction to the about life how you look over the coming day you think about the people you're going to be meeting circumstances you're going to be in ahead of time what you could say in the right way to make them think a little bit to plan a seed of faith but call them out a little bit yes sometimes you need to do that but you need to do it the right way not in a passionate way that's about me it's not about you being right if we if we force that too much we might force people away from God and it will be our fault for it one day so there's a there's a time and a place for everything we can't know always exactly how to do that it's hard but if we ask for wisdom we receive the gifts of the Holy Ghost of Confirmation if we pray to the Holy Ghost we ask our we receive the wisdom we pray to the saints like St. Francis the sales, St. Anthony etc and ask them by their prayers to make us more aware of those gifts of the Holy Ghost within us and to put them into practice in the right way that's what we need to do on a daily basis and then when I first started getting I guess using zealous on this and going out and doing St. Paul Street team things I remember reading on St. John Chrysostom talking about that you will be judged according to how many you ran off from the church going that's a fine line well it's true St. Francis says that zeal zeal is the ardor of charity zeal is charity but just kind of to an to an exponential degree and so really to show zeal we need to show truly charity St. Paul talks in 2 Corinthians charity is patient, charity is kind charity does not seek its own charity is not puffed up charity sustains all and endures all, suffers all so that goes back we were talking about the virtue of fortitude fortitude is also standing your ground kind of like those soldiers crusading soldiers have to defend the fortress stand their ground no matter what the enemy is throwing at them think to the lord of the rings and the soldier is defending the city of Gandor there you got to stand your ground no matter what the devil throws at you organed off standing on the bridge when that big in the first movie when the big bell roar comes out and he stands his ground we need to be spiritually strong like that but that comes from our lord and not from us it takes our cooperation with grace it takes frequent confession frequent spiritual reading spiritual reading it takes implementing the humble things of life the humble means that are given to us that are accessible be consistent with those that is that's the recipe for for victory i guess you can turn it also with the saint saint peter saying that he will die with our lord at the last supper and then being all puffed up me me me and then when it happens he's oh no i'm denying it with some little peasant girl yes yes and and that's our lord showing us really who we should be and how we should live in the spiritual life we have to learn from we can learn from the saints mistakes we can learn from saint peter we can learn that you know the power of divine truth does not rest upon human quality but upon god himself and so saint peter is lovable isn't he there's a great book by saint peter really recommended by william thomas walsh called peter the apostle and just to read how you know our lord chose i'm thinking of that because today we celebrate the feces saints sotr and kai is two holy pope martyrs we're successors of saint peter and really you know again our lord didn't choose this kind of he didn't choose the titanic he didn't choose the titanic to be the boat of the church and he chose a simple little humble fisherman's boat he didn't choose some kind of great general some kind of great personality or present he chose a humble fisherman the lord works with humble instruments and you know all of us we are called to be humble instruments so let's let's use our gifts our talents our qualities that are there thanks be to god for giving them to us let's use them put them to good use and through prayer through spirituality through the sacraments we can grow and we can become those people that god wants us to be and that god is expecting that we be for his glory and the salvation of the souls around us why is saint joseph so important not only to saint francis the sales because i know you guys say a prayer to saint joseph at the end of your masses but for everyone husbands men in general single married cleric yes yes well saint joseph is such a wonderful model of so many virtues that we all need to practice look at saint joseph's purity he was married he was truly married the saints tell us he was truly married to our blessed mother married the most beautiful the creature really ever to walk most beautiful woman ever to walk the face of this earth and yet he has such a profound reverence and a purity toward her we see him put in predicaments that are very similar to what we have to do we have think about saint joseph in egypt he's in a land of exile he doesn't speak the language and yet he has to be able to eat god of living so he can have bread to provide for his family and he's a foreigner and he's looked down upon he doesn't have the tools, doesn't know anybody we can find ourselves in so many situations like saint joseph in our human life and really we pray that we pray that we will die happy death saint joseph tradition tells us he died in the presence of jesus and mary and they assisted him in his last hour and so we pray to saint joseph but we also will have a happy death with jesus and mary having received the sacraments and the blessings of the church will die with through the contrite hearts and so we invoke saint joseph every day for that grace of a happy death that we all wish to have and saint joseph is i really recommend that the litany saint joseph all those beautiful virtues joseph most courageous joseph most prudent he was faithful he was profoundly faithful day in and day out to what god asked of him saint joseph actually saint matthew says in a gospel how he had planned to put our lady away quietly and actually saint joseph tells us that he did that because he realized that something supernatural was taking place in mary his spouse and he didn't feel worthy he knew that she was a virtuous woman he knew her prayerful spirit he knew that something profoundly supernatural was going to take place and he didn't feel worthy to be part of it that's why he wanted to just kind of fade into the background but no our lord wanted to use him and when he understood that he said i'm here to serve and he came forward he didn't know how it was going to work out he knew his own unworthiness but he said i'm here to serve and saint joseph is also the silent one and don't we all have to learn sometimes to keep our mouth shut to be more silent to use more care in what we say or what we don't say more that we use words of charity and goodness edifying words and sometimes we learn also we want to be careful sins of omission we don't want to keep silent when we really have to speak up so we ask saint joseph to really have that sense of silence but that sense of using our speech to glorify god again to be to edify souls saint joseph is a great he's also he must have been a man of great prayer he lives in jesus's presence all there in the workshop i'm sure he must have had he lived in the presence of god and he was conscious of that because he was a man of faith so we can also ask saint joseph to help us to imitate that presence of god that awareness of the presence of god in his life like he did that we also have that same prayerful spirit as well yeah you can't imagine oh yeah there's my there's god right there how you told me you built the chair wrong yes it must have been hard for saint joseph because Mary was immaculate and of course our lord himself god himself there and you know he had passions and he had weaknesses too limitations but he accepted them he was repenting of them he always tried to become a better man he was faithfully consistent toward making spiritual progress so you brought that up to you because he was third on the totem pole basically in holiness but he was the leader of the family yes exactly and again because he was given that authority by god and so those of us who received authority it does not belong to us it belongs to god and one day we'll answer for it before god and judgment so we have to use that authority in a christ-like way in a god-like way and that means not abusing it but also not allowing it to be eclipsed by because of fear or because of whatever those virtues we have to be careful of excesses but also of deficiencies and so we have to ask god every day through the intercession of st. joseph how can we really use that god-given authority to serve others to bring them closer to god and that should be our daily prayer to st. joseph just so i don't leave the women out of this how can they become more like mary as she was the immaculate conception and holiness again she was above st. joseph but she obeyed st. joseph she could have said hey you know i'm the immaculate conception we ain't going anywhere when they say we're going to Egypt how does what's a practical way for wives to be able to maybe not bust out at the husband as much give them the honor that they deserve things like that well again prayer is the key the more we pray the more we the more we try to imitate mary then the more we pray the more our hearts want to imitate mary and i think that that's where it starts with prayer i think also at the same time really to be encouraging wives to encourage husbands to i mean wives know their husbands very well and so i think to through prayer again a wisdom a counsel comes to us that is very helpful in any marriage so that's that should really be a subject of our meditation mary and joseph it was a true marriage of course they were they both lived as virgins but how can we imitate their marriage and not like that that would be a subject of a good conference yes yes i think carnal burt did one six years ago from his wisconsin group but i can always do another one yes well canon wrapping it up i know of words of maybe where they can the website i have the website underneath but anyways what can people help with funds donations seminary and help things like that well thank you steve for that opportunity really appreciate it so our website institute dash christ dash king dot org the institutes also present on you know very social media platforms you know twitter instagram et cetera facebook we really encourage people to you know to tap into our live stream liturgies we're calling it the sales studio st francis sales being a patient of communications and so we have a daily mass with sermons as well but also we want to bring people the divine office vespers a complin is available on most nights so check it out institute dash christ dash king dot org the link on the homepage we'll take you to that page with the resources you can follow along as well and you know god bless us with many vocations we have about about 85 seminarians thanks be to god they're all healthy well they're quarantined there at our seminary in italy no one goes in no one goes out so they've been healthy there in italy and you know more and more men looking for priestly vocation here i personally receive a lot of all those inquiries and i follow up with the men and more men are interested in making visits they all want the traditional liturgy and they all want some sort of community life they're afraid of being a priest on their own one day then we're living community to pray together so we're very grateful for any donations that really help us to provide the seminarians with all the all the formation that they need the education, the professors, the books the room and board so any donations to our website we really appreciate that there's also women are looking for they're looking for you know to serve christ and religious life and the sisters adores the sisters adores of the world heart of jesus the feminine branch of the institute there's information on our website about them as well help support postulence there's about probably about 50 50 sisters now and i would say at least a quarter or third of them are from the united states and there's always more interest among among american women as well and we just made our first foundation of the sisters last fall and at st. mary's oratory in wasa wisconsin, central wisconsin the diocese where cardinal work welcomed us in the institute the diocese of the cross back in 1995 so people want to donate to the sisters as well they can do so online and simply the institute we're going to the united states serving 18 dioceses i have another phone call with with a bishop later today who just contacted yesterday say can we have a conversation there's a lot of interest there's a lot of needs out there but we need help to really keep growing united states through our provincial headquarters so anyone that can help us to continue this growth nationally through bolstering and supporting donating to our provincial headquarters be very helpful for us as well to keep up with all this demand on the vocations and on the apostolates and to serve this whole family as well so donating to our provincial headquarters is much appreciated as well because one of your carers is missionary work well we want to be outgoing we are family a prayer around the altar so the canons are priests who pray the divine office around the altar we pray morning at midday if we can and in the evening together but then they go from the altar out into the world and to bring the sacraments to the sick to pray on the streets in front of abortion mills to eat dinner in family homes and bless the family home and to talk to families kind of on an individual basis and then go out to meet people where they are in that missionary spirit but always to bring them back to the altar from the altar to people and then to bring people to the altar that's our goal always to bring people to Christ bring them to the liturgy sometimes some people have a long way to go but let's try to bring them one step one step at a time so again that's the idea of canon secular praying at the altar going out to meet people to the altar, the sacraments to the liturgy fishing for them right okay I appreciate your time thank you for being on and before you go can you get a blessing yes may the Lord grant you health of body, mind and soul may grant you strength and all of your difficulties patience and all of your trials may grant you joy in doing this whole year each and every day to the intercession of blessed Mary of a virgin to the intercession of Saint Joseph patron of the universal church and patron of family life and to the intercession of Saint Francis sales may almighty God bless you may the Lord bless you may the Lord bless you may the Lord bless you may the Lord bless you