 How do you end up dealing with Wildin' Out? How do you end up dealing with 85 South guys like a Chico Bean? How do you end up meeting, did you and Ricky Smiley ever do some stuff together? I'm touring Ricky right now. Okay, let's talk about this stuff. Man, let's get it out here. Shout out to Ricky Smiley. Shout out to Ricky Smiley, man. Pray for your dog. Yeah, he definitely been going through something lately. I was about to say I went down to Mermon Ham and linked up with a few people that he rock with. But let's talk about it. Yeah, we on Boss Talk 101, 101. Man, I gotta put you back, man. I gotta put you back. I gotta talk about your career. I gotta talk about your accomplishments. My people need to know there's a lot of people that wanna, you know, they wanna do comedy. They wanna be like you, you know what I mean? You gotta give them the blueprint, print, black run to where they can learn, man. And you that, you the go through guy. Don't do what I did. How long you been doing it now? 12 years. 12 years. You waited two years? No, well, that. I felt like I waited about five years too late. But that's just my own little personal thing that I gotta deal with myself because I never thought I was good enough to do this. Like I'm funny at the barbecue. I can pull a girl. I'm good at a job, but professionally, I never considered myself a real comedian. Even after I was the best in Dallas and had been for years, I doubted myself. It's what took me so long to get on the road. It's what took me so long to get into competitions. Well, hold on. Where did that stem from? As a child, were you raised like that to be fearful? No. People say subconsciously, like your mama said something and you see kids hold that and feel, you know, self-confidence is not there because of that. No, that wasn't where my fear looked. Where did it come from? My fear lied in the fact that when you go into something that's popularity-based, you have to be what people like. And when you come up being something that most people don't like, that gives you the confidence to be yourself. But it also puts you in a place where you're scared to go, where you have to get validation from others. So in comedy, as funny as you may think you are, you gotta go on that stage and the people in that room are gonna validate you. They're gonna validate whether or not that's a good joke or not. So I had to deal with that. And then after growing up in church and you watching people that suck still get clapped for because it's the proper thing to do, then you watch something like American Idol and person like Simon Ted person. I don't know why you even thought to do this with your life. Well, it's because they've been lied to the last 25 years why they was at church saying, baby, you could be a star. You need to be in Hollywood. You need to be on TV. So I never let the locals' people love for me, give me an overinflated ego. Even though they were seeing something in me, I ain't seeing myself like, no, bro, you got it. I'm like, I just got it to you. Because if I go to New York, I go to LA, I go to Chicago, I go to Atlanta, places where comedy was supposedly made and validated. If I don't have it to them, I don't got it. Is it different in every state? Like when you're telling your jokes or when you go different places, do you have to switch up your jokes a little bit? Depends on where you are to cater to the people? Some things are regional. Okay. Certain logo, lingo, certain words that they call this, they call it something else in another part of town. And you have to learn all of that. Right, like down here we say soda water. It's pop in other places. It's coke in other places, you know what I mean? So you gotta learn little interchangeable stuff like that. But for any comedian that's starting out, get away from telling jokes that are funny to the people around you. Because that's a joke you can't use nowhere else. Get away from using stores and places of business that are local to you. Because nobody else knows it. Ain't no Kroger in certain parts of the world. Right. You know what I mean? Ain't no Pigley Wiggler, ain't no Wayne Dixie. You know what I mean? If you ain't never been to Chicago, you've never heard of Jewel Osco. But that's the grocery store, you know what I mean? So get away from that kind of stuff. So then you don't compartmentalize yourself as an act from this place. A local. I tell people all the time, I'm not a local comedian, I'm just from here. I'm not a Dallas comedian. I'm a national, international comedian that's from Dallas. Well, when you, how did you first get your, you know, stemmy relationship with some, like I said, the heavy hitters that you've already, and I asked you this and y'all keep going off subject. Yeah, he told me to list my credits in my resume and tell people. So let me write that down real quick. And I really want to just dive into how you met them. The process. That's what I said. I don't want nobody to take my route. Yeah, but the process for you to meet these people, for you to be this writer, for you to be this guy that stands on stage proud of the day, that was a process. Yes. And we need to hear the process. That's all I'm saying. So it may not be a pretty picture, but we don't need to give people a pretty picture cause a lot of times it's not gonna be a pretty picture. So let's be real with the people so that they can learn. Cause it's some guys that they don't think that they can start at an age like you did as well. But then you give them encouragement. Rodney Dangerfield was in his 40s before he started his comedy career. Sally Field was 39 before she ever got cast in her first movie. You know what I mean? 51 Savage was 51 before he ever went viral. You know what I mean? Two chains was damn near 40 before his rap career really took off. So there is no like, no specific time or time in your life to do something. If it's never too late to go back to college, it's never too late to start a new career path. So how old were you? I was 25. Which is good for me. But you could have done it earlier. I was grown enough to have something to talk about. And so when it takes off and you, how do you end up dealing with Wildin' Out? How do you end up dealing with 85 South guys like a Chico Bean? How do you end up meeting? Did you and Ricky Smiley ever do some stuff together? I'm touring Ricky right now. Okay, let's talk about this stuff. Man, let's get it out here. Shout out to Ricky Smiley. Shout out to Ricky Smiley, man. Pran for your dog. Yeah, Pran for you. He definitely been going through something lately. I was about to say I went down to Birmingham and linked up with a few people that he rocked with. But let's talk about it. So shout out to comedian A.G. White from Brooklyn, New York. A.G. White was down performing at Addison & Pryb. Nene Lee was doing Fat Tuesdays. I was a regular at Fat Tuesdays. I'm murdering it. I featured right before A.G. went on stage. A.G. come tell me, dude, you dope. You need to leave Dallas. Year later, A.G. White comes back. I'm doing that same show. He said, yo, you been on the road? I said, nah, I ain't had 10s. I ain't had the money to get out there. He said, yo, if I come back to Dallas and you haven't left Dallas, lose my fucking number. Wow. Right after that, comedian Mario Tory from Atlanta comes and performs at a comedian queue. He used to do a show called We Got Necks at Hyenas. So Mario Tory headlines. I put our feature for him. He said, man, if you ever in Atlanta, hit me up. I get a wild hair in my ass one day. Got a cousin that used to live in Atlanta. Said, man, if you ever in Atlanta, you got a place to stay. Got another dude to say, man, if you ever get down to Atlanta, I got $100 for every show you do. Wow. That's big. Next thing you know, I done bought myself a $40 Greyhound ticket to Atlanta. Rolled that Greyhound bus 22 hours. Pull up in Atlanta. My man CJ, come pick me up. Boyd me at his house. Go do Mario Tory's room. Go do all these rooms. Next thing you know, you're funny, bro. You need to come here. So when you go to a city and you wreck all the comedians, got another spot for you. You don't fit it all in some chicken wings. I got a spot for you tomorrow. I got a room, my host. I got fitted all in chicken wings for you so you can accumulate nice little rent money and a nice little two week grind. You know, you do three, four rooms a night, two, three rooms a night for about two weeks and you're in that town. Also in that town is gonna be somebody from somewhere else that's also in town knocking around. So that's why your network starts to build. So I went from Atlanta to Chicago, from Chicago to New York, from New York to Detroit, went all around. You didn't come back home? Didn't come home until almost Christmas. So it was a whole year? No, I just, I would pop back home, pay rent, you know, see my lady, see my daughter, you know, get back on the road. Get home, company club that never gave me an opportunity, called me. The feature that they first called was sick. Second feature they called was out of town. Third feature they called couldn't get a ride. It was two last minute. God's plan. They called me. Hey, Black Run, are you available to feature this weekend? No, the guy before me, he wasn't able to do it all weekend. That's what it was. Are you able to feature this weekend? Yeah. Six shows, you can do all weekend? Yeah. All right, first show is Thursday, eight o'clock. Be here. You'll be featuring for Dick Gregory. Wow, big.