 This morning, the anti-corruption commission visited his property and my property. We are neighbors. I had no idea that the anti-corruption commission had also visited Honolibo Harikalaba. The major contention we have and will just discuss briefly is that this is an act of harassment on Honolibo Harikalaba. That's why I have taken it. I know it's a clear case of harassment even for you because I know even for your property that you are talking about. It's a matter that the SEC has even tried, the previous government has tried to harass you over. Accept my commiserations. But you know it's not a big deal because as you rightly put it the property which is in question is the property that was built using the gratuity in 2016. I got another gratuity after I resigned and we tried to finish and went ahead to try and see if we can get a loan from the bank. We have laid our lives and I say we myself and my wife and family have laid a life that is very transparent. If the anti-corruption commission wants to go and visit our property, we still ask them to go. If they want to visit other property in Woodlands, we still tell them. Because these are things that we can account for. I'm only shocked myself that they can begin playing such games. But you see, I think this is where President Akanda HLM is losing it. And if this is the way he's going to be fighting corruption, then he's going to decimate the fight against corruption completely. Because even those that should be held captive will run away. And it will be looked like it is witch hunt simply because everybody is being put in the net. I have known you myself, but I have known you. And I know what you are getting when you were a diplomat at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Diplomats get a lot of money. No, zambians don't know that. Diplomats get a lot of money. That's why they run to go into foreign service. Let me speak to that. When you have 38 missions, so at that time you only have about 38 ambassadors and some consular general. So it's a high privilege. I always thank President Galungu appointed me as ambassador, high commissioner to South Africa and to Ethiopia. So what we get as an ambassador is almost $10,000 depending on the station. It depends. If you are in Washington, you get about $21,000. So if I'm in Washington, I'll get $21,000. That's $400,000 kwa cha a man. Muma na kutawakwa ta manu, te tukure kwa maflats. And I was ambassador. Tamu noa imwefena ishiba? Mkwa. Tamu pepa? Aona kadiwa. Namoranges insha ishiba. So you are getting $10,000 for colleagues that were, for example, in Washington because of the high cost of living, would get $21,000. We'll say you can't save a $5,000 to $10,000 a month. And that's a lot of money in kwa cha times. This is a lot of money. So I was surprised that they are attempting to criminalize. And for me, I worked under Dr. Chubaisa construction office for a period of 10 years. When I was separated, I served as a deputy permanent secretary for 10 years. 2003 to 2011. I was given a gratuity because when you are appointed as permanent secretary, they have to retire you. The position of permanent secretary, you have to be put on a contract. So they retire you from your position of civil service. They even pay you. And then you have this contract. And if the contract is cut short, you are still paid a lot of money. So like you have had three huge gratuities. And for the last seven years I've been earning a large sum. And I'd always tell my diplomats that you never live a life of kings while you are away. Because you are going back home one day. So build. And I used to demonstrate by myself. You are saying that you've come to my place here. I have lived here from 2008. Just as a civil servant, this has been home. Even when I was minister of foreign affairs, when I was land minister, we have always lived our lives modestly. I know, you might not want to make it public, but I know you also run businesses on this side. Yes. Very successful business. You supported the newspaper, which was probably lost making for a long time. For many years. So for them to attempt. But it comes very clearly. The president is using the law enforcement agencies to shock voices that are critical. To shock voices that are criticizing. You've been very critical of him. And by coincidence, just the other day, you raised a matter against a state house official and you called on the president for that official's position to be regularised. And you made a mistake. I supported you. I was shocked because the gentleman in question is not even the one I was referring to. How do you just come because you are trying that position? I mean, it's for the president to respond. We were talking about illegality. Yes, and even article 92. It's not one to be looked at in abeyance. And in isolation. That is an article which will only work if it is used within a certain channel. The president's powers as you like putting it are not cut a blanch. No, no, no. It can happen already. They are regulated and they are guided. But it must be guided. So if a person has not been sworn in, if a person has not been has not received the authority for the position, then the position becomes irregular. Regardless of who makes it, that's why you find that presidents after the end of their offices, they are brought to book. Why? It's not because they didn't have the powers. They could have had the powers. Either they have used the powers or they didn't use the powers appropriately. And that's the challenge that we have. So that's the coincidence we have for people that follow these matters is that we criticize an official at state house who we think that the president should regularize his position. He should because the structure of government has been 7 for the last 20 years. And I know how, for example, if a person is created, there is a division called public service management division. Public service management division? Yeah, before... And there is public service commission? Yeah. Then there is management development division? Division, yes, exactly. Yes. These three bodies of the civil service work in tandem. In tandem, yes. The public service commission basically is the one which puts up jobs. Yeah. They are the ones who demand jobs. So first before that... The public service management division then gives responsibilities. No, before that. The public service management division MDD comes to assess if you need that position. Or not? Yes, or not. Exactly. Do you need to create a department? Do you need to create a ministry? Or do you need to create a single position? Yes. And then they create job descriptions? Then they create qualifications required for that position? Yeah. And then it goes to PSMD? Yes. Who then has to seek authority? Yes. Because the minister of finance has to fund that office? He has to find money holding the votes? Yes, yes. And if it's not there, sometimes many times they are deferred to the following years. Yes. Because the budget has been done, you know, you don't want budget overruns and so people think that appointing one is just that simple. No, even if you are a president, for as long as you bring something which is outside the establishment, the law requires that you follow the procedures. That you follow the procedures. MDD has to come in, public service commission has to come in and then finally PSMD has to come in. If that is not done, that is irregular. And so I was surprised that Ennovis at the civil service would want to school me. Who started your career as a civil servant? And rose in the ranks. But the time you are becoming a MP in 2011, people don't realize that you have been a civil servant for a long time. So these harassment, ambassador and court for president, they cannot succeed if he continues doing that. As you say, for me, the same property in question is talking about has been a subject of investigation before. We have had the DEC at my residence before when I resigned as minister. You are aware. We have had our vehicles seized at some point after I resigned. So these are not new things. But this will not deter us from making sure that we speak for the people of Zambia. I think this will not stop us from making sure that the people of Zambia are well represented and will continue talking for them for as long as what is right is right. And what is wrong if indeed the Harikawa has gotten offence, nothing will be punished. So what? No, it's clear that the SEC and that's why they are having difficulties to gana support for the fight against corruption. No matter how eloquent the president speaks about it, no matter how he appears to sincerely speak to this. It doesn't have support because of things like this where you use under abuse law enforcement agencies you use them as tools of oppression. If you and I were quiet, the SEC would not have been here. How would they even be here? They are only here because they want silence. But let them put restriction orders as much as they want. Job in the scripture says naked I came, naked I shall return. I was not born with everything. If I engage them once, it can even get all of them. It doesn't matter. But he must know that we hold him accountable. We must call that lawlessness to order. No, but that lawlessness to be fought. We have a right to own a property. Of course, we are going to high hot. The fundamental right for you to own a property legitimately end cannot be taken away because one is president. No. Or because I'm speaking against him or because I'm criticizing him. So he hopes that then he will inconvenience. To not happen. No, it would not happen. It's a wrong method but it's a good trial. It's a good attempt but it will not work. It's far from it. It cannot work. That's for lesser men. For some of us, we are excellency, we are resolved. Resolved to a point of giving up even in zero positions for as long as it will take us to represent. Thank you, excellence. For as long as it takes us to say what is true, what is right, it doesn't matter. And we are ready for the ramifications. It's a pity that people that want to show that they are good at governors can begin playing such kind of shenanigans to want to distract the public. I think people are interested in the high cost of millimail. People are interested in the high cost of fuel. People are interested in the dollar stabilizing. People are interested in these issues and you want to distract them by bringing restrictions notices to Ambassador Muamba and Harika Lavawa in our neighbors. I think it doesn't work that way. I think I've been around myself here. Everybody in the neighborhood knows. Yeah, you are among the earlier shot came here. Yes. We were found here. No headband. I'm a headband. Okay. For the social media audience, we will do something very formal. We've got a media organization that has joined us. So we will speak formally to that media. And thank you colleagues for coming. This morning, this morning, we received officers from the Antcorruption Commission who saved myself, Ambassador Manio Muamba, with a restriction notice over my property here in Baumoro, Makeni. And unknown to me, Honu Boharika had also received a similar restriction over his property again here in Makeni, Baumoro. We have condemned this action against by the SEC. For me, what I've stated is the law should not be used or abused in the manner that it is being abused. I've called on the SEC should have first called me to establish my sources of income. Exactly. If they became aware of a property that they thought could not commensurate with my income. That's procedure. They should have called me, interviewed me, asked me to submit records and details of my income that built that property. But just to come and save me for the first time with a restriction notice, we've taken it as an act of harassment, an act to silence the opposition, an act to silence critics of the president. Thank you very much your excellency. In the same vein as Zambatheda Mwamba has said it in 2017 when I resigned as a foreign affairs minister, the anti-corruption commission had salmoned me of a property here, the same property and I think they tried to be very professional at that time because they called me and asked me how I managed to build the flats in question and I explained to them but look, I have been member of parliament two times and I used my gratuity and you can go and verify this. I also verified the loan I had within the Zambia Bank and they were satisfied that there was nothing wrong that I had done. The same happened because they came they even got vehicles that had gotten from parliament and they discovered that those vehicles were legitimately gotten from the national assembly then as a member of parliament. Now for president I can in the HLM again to begin a going round circles when he said you see what will happen this month how people are going to be prosecuted and if this is the way he is fighting corruption then the fight again is corruption is done. It's completely lost because even it's stolen from the public some of us resigned as a result of abuse of office if people will be allowed to go scot free as a result of playing games like this you are now shielding the real people that should be facing the law because everybody if you are going to put them in this kind of an umbrella because of politics then you are going to miss it and this is why when we say president that in the HLM is basically doing job on training these are the things that are talking about and he doesn't have a clue of how this fight should have been he should have allowed the anti-corruption commission to be autonomous and give them the political will rather than putting them under his office as a result of that he has lost the fight and because he has lost the fight he also lost the elections in 2026 because there is nothing that he is standing for and if you will be harassing people he's been telling you ambassador and that was foreign affairs minister by the way I know how much an ambassador ends as minister of foreign affairs I know that when you go to a place like London an ambassador does not end less than 15,000 pounds a month when you go to Washington an ambassador doesn't end less than 20,000 dollars a month when you go to at Sababa an ambassador ends an average of about 10,000 dollars a month and so when you look at the money that they end and then you begin doing that it's a lack of research on the part of the president and he's acting out of lack of understanding of how the system works when you pursue a person that has been very conservative like myself like I said I've been in this place myself for a very long time I even refused to move out of my residence because I wanted to be comfortable with with where I am modestly like this and even what we have done has been very modest we have relied on banks ourselves to finish our projects and that's how we do it so for someone to come without even giving you an opportunity to behave and just give you a restriction and notice that now don't sell this property until we finish investigations it's an abuse of the law and it's unacceptable in a democratic dispensation such as ours we will not allow it there's a matter of concern regarding the president's address on Saturday where when he made reference to the creation of the economic and financial crimes caught he says everything is in place and will ensure that this this process people go to jail in the next 90 days now that's extremely dangerous the judicial is independent the judicial has a chief justice who responds to the constitution the executive cannot give directives of how long court cases should take and what period those cases should be implemented the president is exerting unnecessary pressure to the judicial to convict persons wether they are guilty or not I think just not to cut you short I think he must speak a leaf from his colleague Lady Manawasa he might not have liked President Chiluga both of their souls rest in peace but he was sure that he allowed the due process of the law to take place without putting a cap on it it is not in his space the president it is not in his space to begin saying this is how long the judiciary should go that is why basic civics which I know the president started would tell you that the independence of the three organs of government the legislature which is parliament the executive which is his cabinet and the judicial which is headed by chief justice what is his name again Mumba Marila state council yes, state council these three independent wings of government must be allowed to operate independently why not make an announcement on behalf of another wing in parliament he announced 90 days people will go to jail that the process has to complete in 90 days I think it's important for the judiciary to acquit themselves from those directives they should remind the president that they obey the constitution and the constitution assumes that you have a right to innocence that you cannot be deemed guilty in the manner that the executive is dealing there is a lot of governance issues that must be screwed on and I hope that his analysts I don't know what's happening at cabinet office because what we used to do ourselves in the civil service when ministers come we used to call it an orientation for ministers to know the do's and don'ts and it is incumbent upon the sector of the cabinet and the office of the president to sit down with the president and tell him how his powers work in what ways his powers should work but it looks to me that that kind of thing never happened with what we are seeing now in an August house and announce that now it will take 90 days Yes, I've set up the economic and financial plan You don't do that We thought it was a chief justice So it appears the chief justice is the mayor cover It was set up by himself You can't do that You can't do that You can't do that You can't do that You can't do that