 So we watched Indiana Jones in the Temple of Doom last night. Oh, nice. Yeah. My first time watching and I saw Amrish Puri doing the Kali Ma. Yes. Yes, legendary. So she watched Raiders a few days ago. She had never seen it. And then we watched that because obviously the new one's coming out. But I just thought there's got to be a porno somewhere called Indiana Jones in the Temple of Poon. Wow. Hey, welcome back to our Stupid Direct so go Corbin. Indrani. I'm Harrison Ford. Oh, no. You can follow us on Instagram, Twitter for more juicy content. Thanks, Patreon folks. Should have counted like button. Today we are in part Thrice. Thrice. She's once, twice, three times a lady. She also watched Shrek for the first time. She had never seen Shrek before. She's an American classic. She loved it. How did you not? Those are great. Those are fantastic and made films. We are on to Ron Devoe with Zee, with Simi Gurwal. Gurwal. Gurwal. And Rehka. Is she still around? Who? Simi. Yes. No, what's she doing now? She has a valid name after her. I don't know. She does. Is she still doing interviews with breathy voices? No, not anymore. I wish she did. I really loved this interview, huh? Yeah. And cheesy synthesizers for her theme song. It's not cheesy. Do you know the in Lord of the Rings who's? Gandalf the Grey Wall? No, Aerosmith's daughter. What's her favorite? Aerosmith's daughter. Oh, yes. Stephen Taylor's daughter. Lily. Whoever, yeah. Her, she's known for being extremely breathy in that movie. Like everything is, watch it again. It's all you hear. Really? She just, everything she says is, oh, it's true. Because she's half whispering most of the time and talking in slow motion. Yeah. And my wife pointed out to me years ago. Because you have to go to the Shire. That's the entire interview. Yeah, it's that breathy kind of voice. I've heard worse and it really bothers me. Yeah. Anyways, so if you haven't seen the first two parts, please go check those out. Those are already out. And this is part thrice. And here we go. Oh, what? Why did you just go in the middle of the goddamn interview? Cunt. Here we go. Sharul Khan is still messing with my hair. What key is that, Rick? What key? It's a D. Oh, wow. In 1990, you took another gamble for happiness again when you married Mukesh Agarwal. God rest his soul. I knew him. But I still want to know how could two such different people get together? Well, we're not the first couple. That's for sure. That's true. Yeah. But how? Destiny. Destiny. How did it happen? Difference is also a track a lot of times. I don't think it's really important to talk about how it happened, how did we meet, who introduced us, where did it happen, how did we get married. These are irrelevant. Of course, one went through the initial, you know, feel of, OK, marriage, you know, Karnaji. OK, it was the right time, also one thought. We went through it. But what's important is the lessons that I've learned from that episode, from that marriage. That's most important. That was the time I really, really grew up. I became the woman of the world. It was as mobile as it sounds. It is the best thing that ever happened to me. Because I got a crash course of what people are all about, who my friends were, who my foes were, but every so-called pain that I went through and so-called questions that arose in my mind, they just went inside me. And I became the person that I'm truly proud to be today. Was it an arranged marriage? Yeah, in a way it was arranged marriage. It was in love, that's for sure. Yeah. And you'd only met him once? Yeah, true. So you actually married a stranger? Essentially speaking. That's a risk. Life is a risk. But you know, we, who knew you were born. That's a t-shirt. I knew that this can never work out. Really? Or in Sicily? I did. Or in Decolon. I did. I wanted to know you'd marry us. That was very Midwest. Why didn't Decolon or Decolon? I don't even realize. I didn't realize anything before I said the name complete. It was all over, all over. Certain incidents happen to you, Simi, in life that you have absolutely no control. Having said that, yes, the decision is mine. Ultimately, I didn't say my name. But somehow there is, you don't consciously want to hurt anybody. You don't consciously try to analyze your destructive by nature. But things happen amazingly. It's all choreographed by someone out there. And sometimes you get this feeling, I often get it, that this is a real experience. This is not me. It's not even happening to me. Someone else. But then sometimes that one small thing then have a profound effect in your life. And that did. Rekha, some months later, when he committed suicide. Oh, geez. You know, one went through the entire, I mean, the whole gamut of feelings, the initial shock and the denial. No, this can't be really happening to me. And of course, later on, this intense anger. And then you go on to the celebrity trip. What did I do wrong? I never hurt it. I never meant to hurt anybody. You know, the difficulty with that, then they're trying to understand it. In vain, of course, you never really understand it. And then finally, of course, acceptance. But the point is, after that incident, it was your silence, Rekha, that people didn't understand. I spoke to very few people. I'm basically, by nature, very shy. But having said that, I've come a whole circle over a million circles. That I'm much more mature now, that I can talk. And I can talk about things which I never thought in my wildest dreams. Or even I didn't have the courage to talk about things. But 14 years had passed since that tragedy. How have you dealt with this? I think to the best of my abilities. One doesn't deal with anything. It deals with you. You know, the incident deals with you. But if you allow it to deal with you in a negative way, so be it. But you always have the choice. You're human, Simee. You can fall. In fact, I will say this with complete certainty that there will definitely be the gift of pain, trials, tribulations, confusion, misunderstanding, devastation, not to mention natural calamities. That is for sure, like death, it's everyone's life, you know? But it is up to you, and I repeat, you and only you, to pick it up, to take it inside you, to befriend it. Very difficult. Who said life was easy? Life's tough. Get a helmet. It's much more interesting when something is not given to you in a matter of seconds. A lot of t-shirt statements on this. I want the platter. I don't think so. But you are you, Simee. I am me. In my case, because I've been trained that way. Do they like each other? I said, do they like each other? How come one has never heard of... I can't tell sometimes. ...the rick-ozone drinking binge, or rick-ozone drugs, or rick-a-kai. Never, you kept yourself very clean. Of course. I have been on drinking binges. Of course I've been on drugs. I have been very impure. What kind? I have been lusting like hell. Ask me with what? Oh, please. With life. Oh, okay. Gotcha. Very funny. His name's Woody. I've been lusting rick-a-kai. You're going to get married again? You wish. You should have yourself. What? Are you planning, sir? No. Why? See, to begin with, that's another show. If you want to talk about marriage, then my... No, I don't want it. I won't make it to another show. I want it in this show. You're so sick and tired of me that you will not have me do another show. I'd love you to come back. Maybe with your husband. That woman is very alien. Like, as alien as father. At first, it helped. How would she... Husband? No. Imagine somebody saying that now. I would like to be married to life and... Sing an actress like that. You could go back with your husband. I've already married to so many things. Married to a guy. Maybe an exception. Is he talking about the superficial thing? No, I'm talking about the real thing. You're talking about the... Well, she had said earlier, a woman becomes strong because of a man. Is married to myself? We were a different breed back in the day. I married to my loved ones. But not to a guy. And who started this thing called marriage anyway? It's not gone. Not me. I mean, really, what is this all about? Okay, are you planning to get married again? Seems no. I think I already answered that. I'm pretty sure she said no. Well, not a woman, obviously. Why not? There you go. No, I'm just kidding. Don't be homophobic. See me. I don't think so. You don't think so. God! Let's be realistic here. Okay. You don't have a serious enough expression on your face. Don't be serious. I like the playfulness coming out. Serious, real, emotional. Okay, very serious. I'm not a cynical person. And nothing is forever. So, anything can happen. Taxes. You kept the door open. Shut up. That's okay. What are you doing? You're making a big deal for me. You never know. You never do. Huh? You never know. Yeah, go ahead, please. She's... You never know. The heart is open. You know, I'm pretty good at matchmaking. Oh, you really? Yeah. So, are you... And now you're telling me? Anyway, it was the last time we ever talked about this. You said, Never, never, never. I do want to get married again. She said it like twice now. It was a few months back. It doesn't... I'm involving next moment. Tomorrow I'll be a different person. Any regrets about not having children? Not at all. Not at all. And... You took his a job over. Because... Did you say fuck them kids? At one time, yes. I was not regretting, but I was too young. And I had no clue what was happening to me. You know, my friend Nitu and Yogita Bali and all my friends... What having babies? They were all babies and I love babies. The whole body. I want to see more of that playful side. There's a bunch of it in there. I know it. And one ladoo and one claw on the face and everything. And I was like, I want to do that too. The baby boy. Give birth to a baby to be a mother. If you were on a street and you saw a baby in a cram and a puppy on the other side of the street, are you drawn to the puppy or the baby? Really speaking, today I'm drawn to the puppy. Puppy? I knew it. Fuck them kids. Yeah, you know that side of me. Yeah, you do. Before Pisti, I had no idea. Oh, I've got something I must show you. What? Little surprise. Okay. Who's that? What the fuck? Oh, my baby. Baby. Is that her doggy she used to own? Oh, my, is she a cutie? adorable. Is this a movie? Yeah, must have been her dog. Do you notice the resemblance? She looks just like you. She's good, huh? She's too beautiful. Nineties were a law this time. Oh, my God. She was exactly like him. She's she's crying. I'm sorry. Gee, of course. I'm sorry. No, don't be like that. She's a deep person. Oh, she goes, hey, could you give me a copy of that? I'm a tap, sorry. She is so adorable. She's so alive. She was exactly like that, you know. Exactly. I'm going to hell. My God. I want to share this with you. You horrible, horrible woman. I'm cute. Thank you. That would be amazing. So was that a movie or is that like a home video? I think it was a home video. Yeah, I have Shiva. Who's the last I have? So, little baby. The name is Shiva. Shiva I had by you. The destroyer? No, little baby. She was sweet with all eyes and you know, like. The baby voice comes out whenever she's talking about a dog. The eyes. The baritone voice. Those eyes, it looks familiar when you did this. Does it? Looks like Shiva? Shiva's eyes are like that. No, it looks like somebody else. OK. What? You know what it is. You wrote this. I think I do too. So anyway, that's another show. OK. But this guy, I'm sick and I thought he was. Oh. Yeah, he's sick and I'm sick and I thought he was. That's a bit wicked. No. Not together, Jessica. No. Alexander the Great. Oh, OK. You know what I mean? And then I have Tiger. Why do people say that you become a recluse? Because you don't meet people, you don't entertain, you don't socialize, you don't have people over. Not everybody likes people. Josh, you do seem to be a good social life. Me and Reika would get along. I don't think so. I do not know any person who is more privileged and who's luckier than I am. To be alone. No. Who said I was a loner? To be able to have the independence of being able to make my own choices, to get up and go and do exactly what I want, who I want to meet, where I want to go. Damn straight woman. Which party I go, which I party I don't go. Yes. Who I invite over. Everything is in my hands. And it's become a way of life, but there are reasons I didn't plan it this way. Her follow-up question is going to be, but you don't have a husband. I didn't plan to go and live in that house alone. It's so happened. At the park, the screenplay had that my sister would get married in the interval. The other sister would get married. They went into their mankis. I mean, into their sassarals. So, and talk about friends. Yes, I do have friends that I can count on my fingertips. Mother used to say, if you have one friend in your lifetime, you are blessed, truly blessed. Two, is your lucky. Three is hardly possible. You have for Zana. More than a sister. She's more than a mother, in that sense. She's everything. Everything, absolutely everything. Talk about soulmates. She is more than that. I should be... It seems forever. Couple of decades, I guess. So loyal. And effortlessly devoted. A living example is our name. Very lucky. Very blessed, absolutely. You used to be so much fun. Oh my God. Excuse me, say that again. Say that again, I'm out of here. You used to be, did you say? You used to be so much fun. I remember when you would entertain with us the whole day. I will do that. But I... Do you still do it? Try me, baby. I'm trying, aren't you? Oh, God, damn. You haven't entertained you so far. That's not entertaining. Entertain me. Dance, monkey. First, I want you to just do me one mimicry. You could do better than that than to ask me for a measly mimicry. You should have asked for something else. My heart is full of cheese. Did you just call her a bentro? I think she did. So odd. The line of questioning. I wish you guys asked that to Zakir Hussain. Like, can you entertain me? Entertain me. Just entertain me. It's not bad to be a recluse, everybody. Some people just like to be alone. If you know someone's private and they don't invite you over, it's not personal, they're private. Get along with Reka. The survivor? You know that, Bhanureka? You were born as. This is Reka you made yourself. As a child. First off, this is all brown people look alike. It is what all my experiences, all the so-called calamities that have been bestowed upon me and the way I dealt with it, because that was my choice. Would you have done it differently? No. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Not a single moment, not a single thing in my life. Because if I had done something else, then I wouldn't be the person that I am today. Exactly. Even a thing like Visti's death, if I said she was alive, then I would have decried myself of Shiva. You know, when you used to tell me that you have to get another one, I never wanted another one. You know, my nephew put him on my go-d and said, okay, this is your birthday present. I never wanted to. You look so many things in my eye and now I take it as a gift. Yeah. You know, I'm just thinking. How you've changed. I remember many years ago, I asked you about if you would do things all over again. And I remember your answer. You said if I had to do it again, I wouldn't. Wow. Then I really voted for you to have to see that. Thank you. Obviously, no more tears because... Tears, I just... So many tears I shed for my baby. I'm sorry, I didn't want that to happen. No, don't be sorry. Like I said to you, if something has the ability to touch you other than self-pity, then be grateful. And your father has your relationship with him now. It's wonderful. And whatever little time that I've spent with my dad in the past few years and the recent years, they're so vivid, they're so meaningful, they're so wonderful, they're so genuine that I guess it's made up for the entire, you know, a gap which I didn't get to spend with him. When did you meet up with him? Very recently. I actually really met him when my mother died. After all this years? Isn't it strange? Actually, I never thought about it. It didn't register to me, it's true. I mean, I saw him a couple of times. He used to come and meet my sister. So how was it when you met him? Wonderful. Was it not like a stranger? No. Why? Because, you know, here's a man you've spent a lifetime about. Let me tell you this. Everything that one has imagined and fantasized, he was all that and more. It was all here, you see. It was like with Amici. It was all in your mind. He was all that and more. As far as I'm concerned, I was never away from him. But you never talked to him? I did. So have you had your feel of talking to him? I had a real conversation with my dad. Yeah. I've always had real conversations with him. One on one. You mean the worldly way? The worldly way. Darling, I've never spoken to him yet. To your father? No. Wait, I'm talking to him. We talk every day. But I haven't spoken to him yet. But in eyes, you know, in touch, in a smile, maybe. You don't have to talk to the person and relish the person. We don't have a conversation. You want to know the truth? This is the only time Rekha has ever had a complete conversation ever for the record. Because she doesn't talk. She expects people to understand, especially people who care. That's very well. Now I'm just talking about between him and you. How do you relate to each other now? I think wonderfully. By not speaking? I told you before this. You don't want to talk to him? Of course I want to talk to him. And I just haven't spoken to him. What? I have. But not in words. Not in words. Semi, you're not getting it straight. OK, Rekha needs no words, period. OK? She communicates with every other medium, but words. Too bad if somebody wants to settle for something as small as words with Rekha. Because trust me, she's capable of communicating in much higher planes in many other beautiful ways, which are original, only uniquely Rekha. Try me. At the Filmfare Awards, the Lifetime Achievement Award, you shared the first public platform with him when you handed him the award. That's right. My God. How did you feel? Felt very, very proud. I touched his feet. And I'm not a person who shows my personal feelings in public either. And he neither. He was a very spontaneous, sorry. He neither. He doesn't show his feelings. He doesn't express his feelings. Oh, he does. Trust me. Has he ever expressed his feelings to you? Oh, yeah. Always. Has he ever expressed regret to you? Never. Never, because there is no regrets. No, but he missed out on wonderful years of your life. That you'll have to ask him. Maybe he feels that I don't know. I really don't know. But from his behavior, I don't think so. Hey, I wish I was there for my child. And you know, I suck much, because it doesn't show on his face either. Really? But I really think that if something that you want most, as long as you're alive, there's always a chance that it can happen in exactly the way, or if not better, than your fantasies. But time runs out. You know what? Time never runs out. It does. No. No. He's not a young person anymore now, Rika. Again, you go back. It's the moments. I have got my messages. I have got my love. I've got my reassurances. I've got, oh, yeah. One look that this man really, really cares. He always did. I was right. My mother was right. I knew it. I'm so glad. Yeah. He is a hero for me, truly. I'm so glad that you found a father and you found your own. I never lost him to find him. He always was there within me. You know, Rika, it's not the cards that one is dealt. It's how one plays the game. In the end, I think you won. You think so? Yes, you won. Thank you. I think so, too, Simee. I really think so. Now, you are not leaving, even though it's past your bedtime. Wait, wait, it's past. It's my breakfast time. OK, but unless you sing me a song, you'll sing a song with me. Me? You will sing a song. I've seen Ronda Moseley sing. You could make Jai sing. This makes sense with asking artists to just perform for you. Now, let me make Rika sing a song. I can't sing without a tanpura. I mean, I need some source of it. You need a walkie. When you start doing this at the end of our interviews. What? When you start doing this at the end of our interviews? Yeah. Come on, sing. Dance, monkey. Dance. But they just get a tanpura. Is she known for her voice at all? No. Then why did she want her to sing? You he sat sa tajate The reverb. The reverb. You he sa tajate The reverb. You he sa tajate The reverb. You he sat sa tajate The reverb. You he sa tajate You he sa tajate That's how we're going to end all of our interviews now. Now that we're who they are. Now the interview is done. Sing for us. Please, on Skype. It's very fitting for an Indian interview, though. Like, the amount of times that we've just been told that, or when our interviews, we interview, you know, the great singers that we've interviewed so far, everybody's like, you should have had them sing. Like, I'm not going to have them sing on Skype with a Skype mic, but apparently people do. She has very interesting ways of looking at stuff and talking about it. She is, she has, she's Sherlock, man. She has a palace in her own mind that she has created for herself that has become objective reality through pure subjective impression. And she has actually brought about the healing of broken relationships through thought without the other person being included. Well, I hope, I hope she feels closure in those relationships. Maybe from abandoned, dad abandoned her. It comes from abandonment issues that then it just, it's a coping mechanism, I guess. And it becomes that, I don't want this to be a psychological analyst's analysis session, but I guess people become, you know, in their minds and their fantasy land. Especially being a star like she is and really not being able to talk or trust most people. And also seeming like a very introverted person who does not share personal things, which yeah, I relate to. Because people twist, she was hated so much at one point and then. Because of the amtab? Yeah, that and people blamed her for her husband's suicide at telling her that she's a witch. You know, all the men die or something happens to them because Reika comes along. That's what, you know, the stupid people. Yeah. Well, they're not worthy of Reika. A witch hunt. Yeah. Maybe she's a witch. It's awesome. Witches are cool. Yeah, some of the more wild stuff. I mean, way more, the thing I appreciate about Reika is I think she's as genuine as she's, I think she's trying to be as genuine as she can possibly be and it matters to her. She's really selective with the words that she uses when she's describing things and really clarifying if you ask a question, she will immediately not let it slip. And some of the questions she was being asked and some of the statements that were counters to her clarifications were really strange. They were very patriarchal. They were very, you know, how did you get strength without a man? How can you live life without being married? It's very of the time and how people conducted interviews. Yeah. If you go back, there's a bunch of compilations of Oprah saying stuff like that. Oh yeah. Sure. Barbara Walters. Because it's just how people thought at the time. You bet, you bet. And people deemed acceptable to ask somebody because they're in the public eye. Like all these questions, like people would be canceled in a heartbeat if they asked some of the questions to her or said. There's a lot of Hollywood interviews with actresses that you see back from the 1960s. Oh, Britney Spears was, it was so sad to see her in interviews where people, I knew the interviewer was just making fun of her or just saying sexually inappropriate stuff. And she was just what, 17 or 16? She was just looking, didn't know what to say. Some of the answers did remind me of late interviews of Michael Jackson of like, he'd say something like.