 where Scott Thompson asked you to come and make a public comment. So you have the floor. Thank you very much, Janice. Or the seat. The seat? Yeah, the hot seat. Walk it up for everyone else, Scott. Alright, thanks. Scott Thompson? Hi, Scott! We know you. Yeah, that's the problem. Yeah. Anyway, I just wanted to fill you in on this school district, the Merge District budget, because we're probably going to, the board is probably going to approve it on Wednesday. There's a forum right before at 5.30. Wednesday is a big day, of course. Wednesday's. It'll vary. As I'm planning to be too, as is Dorothy. Yeah, it's okay. That's why I'm here. Thank you. Give you a sense. Anyway, overall, it's probably the best budget that we're going to get. The bottom line though, is another 6.6 cents increase in the education tax for Calis. What that means over two years, is 18.9 cents in the two years of the Merge District. And this will be the first year? FY21? FY20, our tax rate this year for this current FY20, is 12.3 cents higher than for FY19. And for FY21, it will be 6.6 on top of that. Me, FY22. No, we're in FY20. We're in FY20. So FY21 would be an additional 6, and then... 6.6, yeah. And then the same thing in FY22. We don't know. We don't know about 22 yet. I think this may be the last of the fat years, because next year, the economic expansion can't go on forever. And at some point, things will tighten up. But the... So 6.6 cents for Calis is the increase from this current fiscal year to the next... Is that improved by the 10 to 12% health care increase mostly? That's part of it. A lot of it is putting more resources into early education, which I think is a good thing. There's also more special ed. Special ed needs to continue to just rise like crazy. So it's a combination of stuff? It's a combination of different things. I think, you know, it's probably the best we're going to get. My problem is, having worked on the U32 budget and before that on the Calis elementary budget, working on a $35 million budget is slightly terrifying. And especially because we've completely lost a level of detail, school by school detail. It's just the whole picture that we're working with. So we have no idea really what's going on at the school level, except in the case of the debt, which we know that that's continuing to be distributed year after year on the basis of what share we have of the... You're talking about the other towns indebtedness? The other towns indebtedness. Baccalaureate or middle sex in Berlin? Yeah. Right? So... At any rate, the education spending, remember the school tax rate is like a four story fraction with the education spending at the top, and that is rising by 3.09% net, which sounds good It's not really because it's due to one-time payoff of a big U32 bond So almost a half a million dollars per year of a U32 bond is dropping out and still it's a three Which is about 1.6 dropping out this it. Yeah, it's paid off. It's paid off this year And yet you're still seeing these increase we're still seeing these increases So it would be a closer to five percent increase without that Without that one time So what is the overall Well So education spending is going up by three point oh nine percent But the next the the first denominator is equalized pupils. So as you can education spending for equalized people Equalized pupils district-wide are going down slightly So that three point oh nine becomes equalized spending Educational spending for equalized people of four point six one percent And that's what you'll see on the morning. There's the plus four point six one percent. What's going down? Overall there are fewer weighted pupils in the district the irony of this and it's another kind of slightly bitter irony Is that callous pupils have gone up really sharply? So but what we're doing we're kind of subsidizing the rest of the district both with the debt and Seemingly with equalized pupils and with a small school grant Worcester and callous receive small schools grant but those get distributed to In the same way that the cost of the debt is distributed The revenue of the small schools grant is distributed. So we get you know We kind of They don't get small schools. No, they're nuts. It's too many pupils. I guess so. Yeah So we get a grant that then has to be shared other towns have that which we get to share. Yeah, exactly You get the picture It's yeah, it I accept it always seems to balance into our disadvantage. Yeah The Yeah, and then common level of appraisal is another crazy thing that's working toward disadvantage, too And this is something that just makes no sense to me The whole point of merging is one word one budget one education tax rate and five common levels of appraisal What's that all about? Oh, we're subsidizing people who aren't at a Propered CLA I don't the tax people will say no, but I don't that's just not right. It's I Think, you know Because that's driven by the select board not the school and that that gets piggybacked on the school tax Because it's one town hasn't kept up with their CLA Which we have like stow is way way low they're getting penalized Yes here Yeah, so anyway That is That's sort of another Yeah The the one interesting thing From my perspective this year 32 bond Almost a half million dollars that was barely a speed bump in the expansion of the of the budget um That's roughly what the estimate is For what the savings would be from closing callous elementary school So basically the savings would be essentially imperceptible if If callous were to be closed according to the efficiency study that was found a few years ago Um, that was they estimated $435,000 in savings from sending all the sixth graders to you 32 um closing callous combining middle sec Dodie and Romney and Sending callous pupils or distributing callous pupils to the neighboring schools So um and 45,000 in 2015 is roughly a half million now So, um, basically if anybody says oh we can save lots of money by closing callous No, um, it'll just it'll barely slow the You know So We removed um Usually we have on our warning We remind people that you know, there's school directors to be Voted and Judy confirmed today that we don't need to put that on our warning. It's on your warning It is. Okay. So we took I took it off. Great. Okay. You're you're good. Um, I hope I hope these warnings are being shared. Do you do you have a feeling that the communication between the superintendents and And the town office is working? I have no idea Okay, I'll ask about it on Wednesday. Yeah, ask Judy. What are some things about the communication? I know Um, we had some issues You remember? Yeah, which I won't look back into So we hope to do our part to make the communication good And I've heard tires on the buses now Suppose the front supposed to know what he's checked I I have not Thanks, yeah All right, is there anything else? So just real quick you mentioned special ed Demands on for special ed have increased. So are you able to meet those those needs? We are for now. We are as of I think it's supposed to be not Next fiscal year, but the year after This act 173 the block grant the um for special ed is supposed to go into effect Which is based on population Not based on your actual account But there's some that good or bad. I think it's bad Because it basically it assumes a certain percentage Yeah, you get stuck. It's like the welfare reform That turned into a block grant back in 1996 Those block grants from the federal element of the states have never increased not once in all those years since So a block grant um In my experience it's basically a way to kind of step back Bit by bit and have your contribution Slowly lowered at the rate of inflation Okay, then we'll look forward to hearing from you again with some more good news. Thanks. I hope Thanks, yeah, thanks god, we really appreciate you and Dorothy I cannot tell you how wonderful she has been I just want to crawl into a hole and Go to sleep for months. I bet but she she won't let me Thank you again, we really appreciate it Okay, um that was public comment. Is there any additional changes to the agenda? Toby How are you? Come and join us. Toby It's nice of you Not for long How's it going? It's going. Okay. Yeah so Broken trucks and we have sick sicking kids and yeah Wet truck. Oh, uh, one of the hydraulic clutches that drives an hydraulic and one of the trucks failed What year truck the 2017 the new one? No Yeah, so well with the we have a spare truck and didn't really affect anything That truck is in being repaired at the moment or Um, either we have the clutch this afternoon and we're going to put it in tomorrow Or it's going to Fairfield on Wednesday We think so, I don't know Paul was going to go there to see We have another truck going up there for Warranty repair So we had our kind of our first um Weather event with um road commissioner being gone And you said you had told us at a previous meeting that you're kind of doing the same thing You know looking at the weather telling the guys to come in the night before what time to come in What are we doing about Weather events where you haven't been able to plan for that. Are you that's every weather event? Well, so every forecast that says there's only going to be a half an inch of snow turns into three inches and that's Unfortunately, unless you're Getting out of your house at three in the morning and seeing what the conditions are that's an unpredictability. I mean I For the most part i'm trying to look ahead and if there's any chance of any precipitation in any situation I'm trying to call the guys in but you know if the forecast says it's clear and possibility of less than half an inch accumulation A couple of times I have not called the guys in and it became an inch and a half or two inches of light powder, which is not Critical it's not Dangerous, but had I known it was going to be two inches of light powder I would have had the guys come out and um committed three to take care of it. So That's something that's you know, that's going to be Not recurring because now If there is just a chance of a half an inch in the forecast I will probably bring the guys in and we might have times where they come in and Just sand or something just because they came in As a preventative as a preventative ahead of not knowing what the weather is So a number of us all received one call of complaint. I did not receive from any other Calves resident correct, but it was about a particular location It was about it was about those events where there was about those events, but what location North Kalin North Kalin speaking Right the flat road It was just a generic it was about a you know, this should be plowed for the school buses And again, it's an event that And I can tell you that if the school buses did not complain. No It's not flat there John. There's a hill and a twist going up here But this it was about the situation of there being snow on the road in the morning when the buses were going That was what the complaint was about and I understand that I understand that it was at like 6 30 in the morning and I don't know We don't know if that was a morning that the road crew came in early and they didn't know that was a morning They did not because the forecast that night was for less than a half an inch of accumulation and again Even if you get up at three in the morning and you look out and it's hardly snowing from three in the morning Till seven and six thirty or seven you can get three inches of snow So if you wake up and look out the window at 3 30 and say Uh, not being a man. You still can have that same problem. Even if you're up in the middle of the night It's it's a flip of a coin. It's you know, it's did you explain it that way to the person who I certainly did Yeah And I can tell you from my experience. There were times when Alfred when he was doing this Missed the boat and didn't get out and everybody out and again other towns decide to do that with different sensibilities and experience and that stuff. So Sometimes we do it in other towns don't so it's you know, it's a I saw that previous week. So east moth pillar it's it's a judgment call and You don't want to see my trucks out there standing on a bare road And you don't want to see overtime for guys sitting from four in the morning till seven not doing anything So it's a balance and it's a judgment call and sometimes you're going to hit the home run And get ahead of it and everybody's going to think the roads are great and other times you're going to make A different decision and it's going to every somebody is going to have a difference of opinion About what the condition of the road should be and how will roger hill run more of our hill now, right? Well, we've always been on board. He's always sent us the email, but we will be talking to him on radio Which is a little bit help no, and is that on now? Are we doing that? Have we made that I called him? I have not received his his bill yet, but he is yeah He's been notified that we are going to bed. Does he said thanks. Have we good to hear from you got it? Yeah. Yeah, okay So he's acknowledged that Well, I posted something on from porch forum very briefly not saying a lot um you know that Select work approve leave absence that you were fulfilling that role so putting my phone number in it So I guess my expectation is then that you're going to Check the phone at the garage every day the email at the garage every day, which you said you can do remotely Um, and I have been okay, great, you know three or four times a day. Yeah And and that's working okay for you. Yeah, and for the most part I'm in the shop every morning If I you know if I send them out at three they don't get back till eight or nine. So I'll usually go back and Check in with them after the roots see what's happened or whatever Yeah, and he's working fine and doing great work and yeah everything's Moving along I get again those issues that come up are going to continue Even if you were had somebody get up at three in the morning to look out the window or drive around on the roads it's it you know, it's like I get up now and I drive around on the roads and check the pavement Yeah, check the pavement, you know when weather changes, okay, so like this afternoon That's good. That's good for us to know because I don't think we we didn't know that at least I didn't but not at three Not at three right I appreciate toey hearing you You didn't you didn't kind of amplify it, but when you were here Week or 10 days ago. You said I'm making a judgment call at four in the afternoon um When we've had two systems Snow system weather systems where that didn't work. Well, what you're saying is I'm making a change So now I'm I'm being less conservative without asking the guys to come in early Right and you meant that you're not you're not being rhetorical. No, no Yeah, so we might because it reflects on on the road crew of not being out there doing their job Right, absolutely So I will be more proactive about putting them out even though an event may not turn out to be significant But it will just mean that did you tell the person who called that I did That frankly is not what that how you're characterizing the call the call is not how it filtered its way back to us That happens often So it's good good to know if you were forthcoming that you're actually making a change Yeah, well, I guess it's a change It's a little more so it's so so for me. I don't have 20 years of making these decisions I have Two weeks of making these decisions. So I'm learning from a couple of events that have happened I think it's great to say that when people call you say, you know, thanks for the call I'm learning. I appreciate the feedback Vulnerable people like that um, the other question I had Is the school asked about who do they call? I gave them Your direct telephone numbers. Yeah So I just want to confirm that and I'll follow up a little bit more with them after the conversation tonight About, you know, who do they call if there's an issue that a bus runs into when they're out? Which can happen, especially if john john's going to check and make sure they have snow tires Right, but experience so experience already of us didn't get stuck not because they pulled off in the ditch or make room for somebody and they got stuck and The school left a message on the phone at the shop Is this what happened down by number 10 on it? Yeah, and um, luckily paul was out and found them and pulled them out And they got stuck right in the middle of the road. I have no idea. He didn't explain it, you know, he took care of it It's a good deal. I don't I'm not sure what the issue was and how it all happened, but The reason I asked that was is it related to the road not having yet been plowed or it was slipped? No, the road had been plowed at that point Yeah And it actually might have been in that snow squall whiteout when it happened because they were that was I think it was during that event Or in that period of time where it was essentially if you're out in a bus and a snowstorm starts It's not about the plow or the condition of the road. It's about the storm. Anyway, so I'm going to go talk to first student and say You know calling the town's garage when the guys are out plowing is not really going to get you right exactly That's why I gave them your phone number Even calling me if I'm not home is not going to do it So I'm going to talk to them about the radio systems and whether or not they can Put the town channel on their radio so that if the buses in Dallas Have an issue they can talk to the road crews directly. Do the other towns do that? I have no idea, but to me it doesn't make sense for not having that link Well, if you go and you find that out at something they can do that would be good for the superintendent's office to ask The other towns didn't say right and again, it's from from my experience in the with fire trucks and radios It's just a programming thing depending on how many channels the radios on the bus have that it's just a question of reprogramming The radios which roughly is a twenty five dollar per radio cost Depending on who the vendor is so I'm so I'm going to look into that to make sure that I understand what they're I mean because the buses can communicate to the dispatch back in right in Montpelier So why can't they communicate to the guy on the road if that's what they if they need? Well, that's great You know knowledge right then and there not going through another that's a really good idea So, I mean it just seems to me like it's going around the horn and it's not really It's not going directly to where the emergency issue needs to be done Okay, and when you do that will you Come back and let us know because I want to be able to communicate with the superintendent's office I said I would get back to them with more information or you Get back to them with that. No, I will I will too as far as that goes because they essentially if first Student says we don't want to spend the money. We'll talk to the superintendent about whatever it is. It's just a question of What's their equipment and what's the availability of it seems like it's also a better safety For the buses that are out there on the roads, right? Well, for the most part when they go off they're safe It's just a question who's pulling them out and how long it takes and the communication Again, if they're relying on the town trucks that pull them out Then they have to have a better communication I mean if they're recalling their own tow truck to pull the bus out then they can just call the tow company To pull it out right if they're expecting the town to participate then they need to have a better communication, right? Does anybody else have any other questions or comments? Okay, well, we'll see you back here on the 27th Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you tell me All right, sorry for the delay Pitching post So everybody know everybody I'm Thomas Myers From adamant and uh Yes, it is My side of it is right next to her I have written callous and I have been reading on from force forum about a hitching post being put in Worcester and Montpelier and Northfield And so I proposed that we add a hitching post at the adamant co-op And I'm not sure if any did you print off any of these for people or did everybody get just okay? And so, um phoenix mental is the person who Has is coordinating the whole thing and he might be able to answer your questions most I mean I would know from like the actual adamant site Any questions I've put To the adamant co-op Board of directors. Can we put a hitching post? um on the corner of It's basically the corner of adamant road center road and haggitt road Which oh on the adamant co-op property, although it's you know just off the town right away or possibly Is it in the town right of way 21 feet from the center of the road? So, yeah, we kind of stepped it off and it'd be about 21 feet and we thought that 20 is maybe the rule 24 feet I was 24 and we might have to modify the exact location then which hasn't actually been totally approved by the co-op board the uh Do you have concerns the board? Well, they wanted it they wanted approval on the placement And how it looks Because it it's uh They don't want something that would block their sign or not fit in with the aesthetics of the co-op And they don't anything that would impact their plowing Now phoenix do you live in killings? I live in Worcester Worcester. Yeah I mean I think this I mean when I first heard about I was like I think it was horses Tying a horse to the hitching post. Yeah, that's kind of the name came from actually my friends out in the Midwest I lived in Missouri for a while some friends and there was a store called the hitching post and it was actually like a there's a bent and dent kind of like Food store or a second, you know, or it's been bent and they could sell on a normal shelf So anyways, it was a fun way to bring that idea back here into basically to start thinking about how we can Reduce the number of signal vehicles on the road as you know Also carbon emissions in the state or it's about 50 percent carbon emissions come from transportation alone And so this is just one small way that we can start Reducing the number of cars on the road and I think probably the biggest benefit is actually building community in the process So since the Worcester to Montpelier portion was launched last july It's only been positive and building community connections people meeting each other. They wouldn't have met otherwise I know like all these people on my road. I would never have met otherwise. So I think it's uh, it's an incredible community building tool as well. Yes. I mean, it's a really interesting idea And this is I see you work for Beatrice. I don't work for Beatrice. I approached Ross McDonald's the director of public public transportation, I think Back in like may last year and he said this is a great idea. We love it We have a five hundred dollar grant that any town can apply for once per fiscal year And That money can go towards supporting Any town that wants hedging post and so May that cover the whole cost that covers So how it works is I'm basically I have like a sliding scale thing of like saying five hundred dollars covers my immediate cost For installation and everything so I'm willing to do it because I want to see it spread and I'm just putting a bunch of I'm not clear. What exactly are you installing? Yeah, so let's take a step anything here. Yeah, totally. Yeah So hedging post is basically it's it's a cedar white cedar four by four post That's typically about eight feet tall Goes in the ground three feet below frost depth and the person who wants a ride Um goes to the post it puts up this flag in the direction or to the destination that they're looking to get to Where do they get these flags? The flags are attached to the post Yeah, it's like the mailbox exactly. Yeah, just like that. Yeah, and it's actually just like a it's a simple bike flag So it's a very lightweight whether Flag And then it signals to drivers that they're looking for a ride And then it's like this it's like that. Okay, and then it says here you can go to this website and sign up for a ride So how it works right now is I created a website hedgingpost.org and that links to our facebook page right now Um, since it's just me i'm doing this all just beginning getting it going The facebook page has been great for people because they're actually scheduling rides at any time So someone in wister Says I need to get to Montpelier at this time on this day and Then someone Sees oh i'm going that direction that same time. We'll meet at the hedging post So it's not just a spontaneous thing, which it can be in which I think is what it excels at but it can also be a planned thing V-trans has been supportive of this idea financially, but also they're incorporating it into their govermont program Which is will be their trip planner We're already including hedging posts on their map and soon will be integrated into their actual trip planner. So as As this begins, we're just getting rolling out the initial kind of this will be the third phase this spring That I'm hoping adamant can be a part of Of rolling out another another phase of hitching posts. Yeah, so just is it that? Um Somebody who lives a couple miles away from the hedging post might drive to the co-op. Is it like a parking ride? I mean, I understand you could walk to hedging posts, but not a lot of people will walk to downtown adamant to get a ride so my vision of how it worked is that Probably most people Would not drive to park bear and we've talked to the co-op about parking and if it ended up being more than a couple Of cars a day They actually said one or two cars a day there would be kind of nice because sometimes there's no cars there because of several of the workers don't Have cars there because Andrea and rick share one car so she often gets dropped off and Scott and regina regina often to have one car so So if there's no cars there nobody really knows that anybody's there and they drive by So they don't mind a couple of cars there if it got bigger We did say we would address like a sign on the hedging post saying please park such in such a place But I think most people are going to be if they don't have access They might get dropped off or they might walk there or bike or bike there. There's the bike the little bike rack there Yeah, and um and and so I I think there'd be very few using it as a parking ride And if it got bigger we would have to address parking There's a couple of extra spots that could be used that wouldn't block the post office or We could approach the church or the music school about using their unused lots when they're not in use I I don't think it's going to be a big park and ride. It's just not the nature of it. I think it'll get fairly light use but it might just cut back on the people who Are just driving from adamant to Montpelier alone And I think it will do a lot like what he said in Worcester where people will be more likely to communicate If if they know they're going to need a ride back rather than going the way the getting back thing is you go to the hub at hunger mountain co-op and put out the adamant colored flag And you hope that somebody at the adamant co-op is coming this way, which They they're often every time I go there people from adamant to you back up that What is this hub and the hub? Well the hunger mountain co-op is the hub in Montpelier For where you can put a flag to either where we're on a co-op property. It's right at the front door Um, yeah, you may not have even noticed it when you that's the interesting thing is like until I I have now seen it since I've been looking for it that hunger mountain co-op And I went by the red hand to see it there and I looked for it at the Worcester post office If you're not looking for it You tend not to notice it. So it does have to be something that's promoted If the flag is out, you might be more willing to notice because it is an orange flag sticking up You have to know it's for no it'd be a color like we were thinking we might pick tie dye for adamant Hang on Right now they have a red one and a green one. We can be creative. Yeah, whatever I mean, you could put an a you could put a music sign. I don't you know a G clap. I don't know Um, but it it's just so that people they are no Oh, I'm headed that way some somebody right here wants a ride Who's looking for a ride to adamant because you know, you pretty much will wait by the hitching post But at least there's an indoor spot right right at the entrance to the co-op either co-op I might be willing to give somebody a ride back like from the co-op or something But it would have to be somebody that I know. Yeah, recognize. I'm not going to just Somebody with a says they want to go to adamant and I don't never seen this person before just because of the way things are I would be cautious. Yeah Well, you address safety on the website, but there's there is a register of a person signing But you know, that's all on our system. Right, right, right? Yeah in odds are you would know them It's amazing how I mean we live that's the great thing about the how this literally fits vermont well It's because we live in these small little communities and it's amazing how many People, you know the people that we see are the people who are heading towards our community. You know, so it just it just makes sense So this is of this cost the town nothing It can't top it cost the town nothing If the grant goes through and it'll be located in town right away. Is that why we're here? Or it's just we sign up for grant Well, they need a letter of support to apply for the grant But I would caution you that you would need if it's in the town right away. You would need to fill out a permit application So that it is an option if we can't find a place that's 24 feet off that makes sense that's visible There might be an option to right just go to the town website. There's a um a link to go to the right of way application and because the actual site really does have to be approved by the Co-op board and then we'd have to make sure it's out of the right away, right? But also a place where you see the flag Yeah, because that's a you know the question Do we put it across the street at the on the music school property near the picnic table or do we put it across the street at my office? And the question is where is it both visible but still sort of co-op oriented? And and we thought the corner near the lilac tree Just on the corner of the park would be a really good place for that You know as long as it's not like blocking the co-op open hours sign there and you know distracting from that But it just has to be back enough that it's not in in the snow bank and it's but it's reachable to put the flag So there's you know, there are Okay, so when do you need this letter of support? Basically it it needs Donna you drafted something simple. It doesn't need to be anything complex. It just And I and I copied the one that Worcester and Montpelier sent Yeah, I gave those as examples. Yeah So you put it in before spring and put it frosty We wait till the frost is out of the ground I could install so it's so we get the we get the ball rolling now It won't start until it can go in. Yeah With Worcester the funds it took a About a few weeks or something like that And I can basically once we get approval from y'all and this letter goes out. I can begin the process of assembling the post Do you paint the post at specific colors? No, the post is is natural. Can you pull up a website? You can see a picture of it Yeah That's the website the hitching post.org. Is it the hitching post or hitching if the hitching post.org There should be some images loading here Anyways, oh, yeah, so that's so it's laser etched. I bring it to you this generator It's the generator is the maker space in Burlington Um, and so that's the logo. It's a wagon wheel. It's representing a slower travel It's um, and and that's the one approach for baking And then there's maybe one more anyways, it's it's it turns out really nice with the laser etched Try to make it really attractive because we don't want to you know, we want to Blend in with the neighborhoods. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah You scroll down. There's a few more pictures, but anyways, you can look at one there. Yeah Um, okay, so like well, what would you like to do? Thank you much, and we authorize Denise to sign a letter of support for the hitching post at adamant Is there a second second? All those in favor, can you say aye? Aye Okay, we'll get you a letter. Thank you very much. Right. So Thanks Thank you Appreciate it Have everybody know what it is when you drive by All right I'll be looking for it now. Come on. He had All right Donna John David keeps on keep seeing David Yeah, David's over there. He's around the corner. You're hiding David. No Sure hiding from us. No, I'm pleased to be here town hall renovation committee. Yay Almost done. Yeah, it's so amazing inside. Take a seat It's really beautiful. Oh, I mean what a transformation Um, the inside painting Wow The outside painting is on the morning No, it's still probably another week or 10 days and the interior would be completely painted The door hardware has been ordered for the panic bar hardware and I'm not self-closers I'm going to order the lights Maybe tomorrow and when they come and get Dan Cohen, they are going to not only install the fixtures, but it'll finish the fire alarm system So the fire alarm system done the door is all done We've got to get the elevator inspected, but that's Bob We're ever coming in for half a day and then a state comes in and they put weight in it and make sure it works Um At that point We're ready to call for a certificate of occupancy from the state um Kind of lock is touch-fed lock kind of thing with the outside doors. Yeah, this is what I've decided I want to talk to the renovation committee about it, but uh For both the exterior doors because there there's no airlock kind of entry thing You want to be able to pull the door closed behind you? If the wind's keeping it open so that means we can't use the that kind of crash bar the sort of flat one Water one it'd be better if we had one of the old fashioned bars So you could pull it closed behind you Well, there are only a couple of manufacturers of that kind of bar where you can get the trim Which is the stuff that's on the other side of it. That's what they call it And what I want to do is get a trim with a locking handle And so when the building's locked you grab the handle and you can't open the door You have a key you open it take Unlock it take the key out then the handle works like any door knob And you go in and close the door behind you and of course the panic bar on the other side always works for exiting Now there is an option to get Have one of the doors have a keypad thing and it's electric And also a physical key But what makes sense and probably to the tune of saving a thousand bucks Would be to have both doors keyed exactly alike So they both work for the key and then have one of those deals you put a spare key in with a code Right, you know, so so we can tell you one. Yeah, same difference And then we only have one key for the whole building and uh, and we can reprogram the uh, the little thingy Yeah Yeah, you'll know Record That's about it. The it's uh, it is nice to go in there's warm the floors are amazing because they got that reading And he's done on the floors and they're all nice and warm and he's working We've got to work in toilets and sinks It's in good shape. I'm sure everybody here is seeing me. I mean since we had that one meeting Yeah, well that was even a huge improvement over what it was How the floors are in that's fun to see the trims all up now Clips that was called up your door hardware We started at the top. Yeah, let's start at the top You want to take the lead now? Yeah, so um, so I just wanted to give you an idea of where we were with The expense You know So, uh, money up to come is the historical society and the arts council grant and I'm Submitting the arts council grant this week and the one thing that I needed was A letter from the community and david has written one from Friends of the town hall. Okay, right to talk about how wonderful the building will be to to be used So I'm ready to submit that grant I think we can um And then expenses that haven't been paid yet are then changed for the handrails We still have $3,000 left for um accessibility solutions for the lift. He has to come back and inspect it, John We have a little bit of wiring to do this after Peter on the state council Oh, whatever has to be there Um There's a reimbursement to the job or paint and vinyl floor Expenses that's in with your orders Yeah, those are in the east molecular home center That's whatever's in your orders. Yeah And then the door hardware, which I think didn't you worry about today? Dan Cowan still has to come back and I don't know I know all his materials are going to finish the job I don't know if he's going to try and just work for labor. What does he have to do? Anything that's mounted on the surface The light fixtures in but the fire alarm pole stations all that stuff And he's probably gonna have to get the state to come and he'll be there when the state comes and test the whole system out And he didn't want to finish that do that until we finish the painting Right. Yeah, because you gotta put the electrical outlets Covers on after the paintings all that kind of stuff And then Andy Felice has cased the windows and he hasn't submitted a bill yet. I checked this with sander So I emailed him tonight and said, you know, the select board said you could charge for your time. Are you going to send a bill? So then I made a list of things that have to be done sometime and actually life fixtures, I guess we need that for the certificate of occupancy, don't we? Well technically probably wouldn't but Dan Cowan said he's only I mean it only makes sense to get Dan and you know come into the morning and leave the afternoon and you'll get all the stuff And so we gotta have light fixtures there And you get to order those, John? But you know what you know Yeah, yeah, it's just pretty simple So what you're doing schoolhouse lights like easy Yeah, exactly like this in the main room except in the kitchen It'll have a a painted ring around it And then there's three hanging pendants over the serving counter and then it's some Pretty cheap just pendants in the Rear addition and Dan's going to install them. So you don't have to he has to install them. I can't Oh Okay, so in order to get our I'd like to mention to you, but I can't You know When you're done catching at the door, I have some lights that came out of the catholic libertarian battery city Antiquities are like circa 1906 or something. They're beautiful heavy glass And I realized after I bought them they're way too big for a house. So we meant for a big hall I'm out of my good past muster with you to like 1900s vintage But I guess there was no electricity in 1850 But you can take a look I bring them over and maybe you can save some money. I think I have four of them It might have six you can snap a picture Yeah, I guess that'd be cool pictures Okay Okay, how big they are okay yard six don't go And okay, so those that's something that we still need to pay for Right. We don't give them about the lights. Yeah So the kitchen we have a donation of wood for the serving counter John's quick lines offers and chairing that he has. Oh, nice. John's going to go look at it Jim Clark will You volunteer to make a fit the serving counter. Yes. I need a ranch bank. Like line says he's got three way Jim Clark says he'll take it and really turn it into countertops But then there's still cabinets and shelves and appliances But just not I mean, we don't have to do that right away. We can get the certificate without the appliances, correct? Right None of that's we can get all this right I'm noticing you don't have the uh metal handrails on that list And it's just right. It's right there. Okay. Is it the uh, it's been shady for the handrails Right, those are on here. Those are all in And then I listed some other things like, you know, we're going to need entry mats And the door jam In the in the kitchen one of the old doors of the class unit is going in there In the door jam used to be built in the door installed And then across the front of the Serving counter We're taking parts of the pews and paneling it. That's not really cool Then there's the heat exchanger to think we talked about one other time. That's not on this That's for later, right? The heat exchanger Well, some of the stuff you can you know, if you don't mind waiting, it's it's well, it's not on this list. I was going to add it to my list Line number 25 There's some outside words. Oh, you know why because this isn't My list I printed it off before you opened it. Oh, that's why And then there's um, you know filtration system like we have here Um, do we have a company? Clearwater, yeah Um, we haven't tested that water, have we? I mean, it's different. It's different water than we had before, isn't it? I was saying well, but it's a little fresher This is 2020 water I mean, I have the water tested when I was town clerk, but you and you won't want to have it tested again Um So I guess what what we'd like to know is and then and then we have the renovation committee Which the majority of people on the renovation committee have morphed into the friends of the town hall So I guess what I'd like to know is what's the select board's expectation for You know these things that eventually need to get done You know, do you want a committee to continue because john want to continue Do I want to continue is david want to continue? I mean, it would be nice to see the committee continue in my perspective to get these last items done Because otherwise it's like then who's I'm sorry. Who else is going to do it? Well, plus they're they're Really about the first floor in other words The first phase of this project is all about making the first floor essentially a completely functioning space so I mean some of them are very necessary like We wouldn't want anybody to move into the building unless there were entry mats Would you agree a cardboard that would be a mistake? We have to have entry mats, right? But we can do without kitchen appliances You know till somebody actually needs the kitchen You know so definitely these could be in a priority order Entry mats being at the top with perhaps lighting fixtures And fire extinguishers So anything related to the electrical I assume It has to be pretty much available to dan kowin when he does the final electrical. Yeah, right So is there like a range that over the stove or is there is no stove? I mean, no, but we but the appliances were the range hood So that's oh So you have a hood? Somebody gave us a hood Oh, so that could go in Even without the appliances Yes, okay And would that make sense? Yeah So we need I thought there was some Sink that we talked about one time well, yeah Jim or weird and part of his face is the sink Oh, so when we when we're ready to the kitchen he'll come in and put in the sink and he has the sink I don't know if he's bought the sink, but it's in his So we really need a stove and a refrigerator Right, yeah, but you need cabinets to put this Stainless just But I mean the committee can prioritize this and yeah, I think that's probably an idea But are you expecting that john mccullough is going to continue to do all the work? He's got three jobs at his own, so I don't know how he's going to put this in now Well, building the door jam and installing the antique door. Is that did you say that was Andy? For me and Andy. Yeah, I mean he has something Andy can do Well, then let's ask Andy to do that and that views and john can Boss them tell him what you want Andy and I've been talking and he's going to come in when the job that he has in Montoya is wrapped up And we're going to talk about it. We're going to divide the kitchen Putting the kitchen together The door the door is actually part of that So I could see Andy The board things but I could see Andy doing build the door jam and install the kitchen build the window seat And construct the paneling at the kitchen counter front Andy could do all three of those things couldn't he? He needs direction from He needs direction, but that doesn't mean john has to do the work together very efficiently doing that stuff Is that does that make sense to folks? I mean he's right On you know, he's right here So is it okay if we ask Andy to do those? Does that work for you John? Yeah, who likes working with Andy? He's a good guy He's a really nice guy. Where's the budget though for the stuff? It says not included So $1,200 from the seven thousand that we The money that we Said we were going to keep this rather than continue the green line $1,200 of that was meant to go into the kitchen And that should be enough to pay for most of the materials Which is amounts to screws And light fixtures No, no, no the 1,200 bucks. No, it's just kitchen 1200 Okay, so the light fixtures are already paper. No, no, that's the town. I'd agree to pay. I think we had we had two or six thousand dollars Oh, but what John is saying is that in Ernie's bid? He had $1,200 thrown in for the kitchen because at that point when he when he did the quote We didn't have it all planned out, right? So that money doesn't work in reality does not exist but in John's head it does Well, and some of this stuff like he said Craig is donating the countertops. We have the fronts For the front of the counter front. We have that because it's from the old pew So do you have an idea of how much? Not including the heat exchanger or the water softener thing Just the kitchen we're looking at drawer lives. We're looking at drawer poles. We're looking at glue finishes We actually have somebody in town who's offered to donate money for the first parts of the kitchen We've got to cost it out give him the amount and he'll decide on what he's going to give us Okay, so the old fridge you got chopped So I guess we need to I guess we need to know then how much Like the entry mats the fire extinguishers The entry mats would be like that mat over there completely solidated plastics or whatever Yeah, so they're not real expensive I got the catalog at home And the fire extinguishers because we have to have those you probably have to have one on both floors, right? Yeah, we have a few but you know, they all need to go tag on them They were like someone I have it. Why not just go to Roy and have you know, that's what I want They have we just call Roy and you know, that's right Scott. Oh, right Scott. Yeah. Yeah, I mean he does these it does your worst church He'll know He'll know what we can do with what we have and if we need a few more we're the best place to hang with And that's not I don't give a skull for that So so it sounds like the heat exchanger and the water softener Those would be later Those are both later and uh, they either those were counted for in any budget All right, and the entry mats and the fire extinguishers can't be That expensive, but I don't really know And then that person that you mentioned You're going to price out the What is left to do for the kitchen? And maybe how much time it might take Andy at what dollar amount so we have an idea. He didn't he didn't say labor Well the person who's going to donate some money, no, so we know how much labor's going to cost the town How much time the entities that might take roughly I guess I'm still concerned that you're paying Andy and not paying John I don't think John needs to submit an invoice Donna needs to take John's invoice. Thank you. Give it to john. Click the envelope How it works There's still some other stuff that We have Have accessible parking outside me or identify it We can probably get away with something like we have here, which does this one stupid hole in the ground sign that says handy But in the long run, we're actually going to put something that was a little more recognizable So that'll happen in the spring But the good thing is is that alfred he pushed the dirt up against both doors so even if the state comes with a certificate of occupancy in the snow on the ground And you know the landscaping hasn't quite been finalized for accessibility. At least the dirt is all the way up to the slabs It's not dirt. It's a crush ledge And we've got we've got an entrance that Is considered an accessible entrance right And that's the Old entrance the main door right the one we always went in. Yeah, that's going to be the dedicated accessible entry And that still has a little That's the one So can they move in in February Move this table and the chairs and the big tv and all this stuff and we're not paying in the storage containers are gone, right? They're gone. They're gone. Portability is gone The fountain comes in when it snows and they plow it and sand it Okay, so I guess the renovation committee will continue to meet and Prioritize this list and tell us what were costs and right That doesn't sound like there's a whole lot more costs No, I mean there's we might have one more meeting where we come in and talk to the select board here, but the If there's a second meeting we'll be talking to the select board over there So when the state comes in, uh, do you have to coordinate other people to be there like Like dan So if they schedule it then we assume they'll show up, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, thank you And they they mail us the certificate that says we're good All right Really We're running across the floor during the meeting We're gonna have to have a we're gonna have to have a town hall cat Yeah, now. Yeah, now it's so tight. We need to have this other thing to exchange the air before it was like we don't worry about that No So do you have friends the friends of the town hall on your list because yes, I don't know if that's Are you here for that day? Yes, I'm here for that principally So the friends of the town hall have had a few meetings our newly Drafted chair is Name that is familiar. I'm sure to all of you Barbara Butler So Barbara Barbara is on a trip right now to washington dc Um, so she could not be here to report on The friends But she's going to take charge of organizing This new organization both cliff And I's got passage are all members of the board And we're going public in the town report Um And with a bit of a display at town meeting itself To try to recruit more members new fresh blood To this effort because our purpose as you can see in our brand new bylaws which are somewhat based on the bylaws of the similar organization that plainfield has The friends of the plainfield opera house We have With our purpose A desire to set up a 501 c3 That's in the process Yeah, I try to pay for work and then happening exactly and That we assist the town of callous with the preservation of Of the town hall and support fundraising that will continue to to Help develop the town hall as community center for municipal community and cultural activities So particularly the last Two community and cultural activities not so much the Beyond going municipal uses that town hall has always been about We're going to have to market this new facility To potential users so that that will develop a brand new stream of revenue For the town by renting it out For those purposes and you will only be renting out the town hall. That's what the friend will be doing, right? Not necessarily because for example some of those uses will inevitably need the Back the stuff downstairs as well kitchen restrooms Those are all kind of integral to the use of the upstairs as well as the downstairs, but yes The majority of the use downstairs. We anticipate to be the many meetings That have needed this space to be developed right upstairs Which is really where our project has not gone very much Is going to need more stuff And so we're going to have to raise money To for example add to the number of seats Currently we just have the deacons benches So we're going to need chairs up there before we start to use it For a hundred people Plus by a show up for something by a chair. We'll put your name on the back Definitely strategies like that may Allow us to purchase Additional things needed to run the upstairs Lighting are one of our partners of course Um With the friends are Is what was formerly known as the blue barn players now rebranded as the gospel hollow players And they anticipate being Probably the first major cultural user of the space when we reopened in the spring There's a play already in the works Um for that so that they'll Hope to have chairs By them or or at least identify chair where chairs can be obtained For a short term purpose We'll advertise standing rooms all day The pews Where did the pews all end up that were upstairs? Well some oh There are most of them were disassembled and those pieces will be used for the kitchen We still have Everything's there Once that once that all they needed was a another end panel put on and they would actually make an attractive kind of bench We're giving to people who had done some work So I think we explained before these were not original to the ball They came out of some other yet to be known Historic building and in fact they they seem to predate The town hall they're older than a town hall So because they're boxed here for one thing and um, so those are what we're going to use to For finishes downstairs, maybe who knows some finishes upstairs as well and Um, uh, the deacons benches. We do believe are original to the town hall They they are the right Thing We have nine of them seven Maybe nine or whatever we have none of them got Where they they just need to be like Glue and yeah, there's one that I know that we've got downstairs. Let me ask, you know, I'm broad visually good at that kind of stuff If you would volunteer to But we had chris coles play With just what we have now true. Yeah, and there were over a hundred people there. Yes And they use those wouldn't those wouldn't fold the wooden full that that's right and we have a little wooden chair They used to be downstairs There were downstairs now they can be upstairs or downstairs frankly, they'll be there for your meetings too Yeah, those are those tiny little Right, so I think I think those will work for now. I think those may Ultimately, I think the vision would be to have more comfortable seating upstairs And probably continue to use the little wooden chairs For meetings downstairs so that they weren't constantly being dragged up and down the plan is to have stackable chairs upstairs So that all space can be used for something Stackable somewhat Roller hockey I expect nothing less Yeah, this is just a draft so if you have any additional This hasn't gone yet to the secretary of state's office. Well, I guess we need to talk right I mean at some point we'll have to talk about You know You have a treasure right soon. It's going to keep track of your Yeah, so that's that's one of the things we're actually at our very next meeting. Um, the week of uh, January 20s whatever It's not next week, so it's the week 27 So at our meeting that week, we have david strong from the playing field opera house Coming to talk right about subjects exactly like that. Right. Why is it that they have Their own accounts We very much see this organization as um An assisting organization Not the organization that intends to hold large amounts of money But as the facility to bring money in That ultimately should go to the town that I believe is what we consider our purpose to be um to either go directly to develop further developing the hall or to Just enhance the ability to use it in a variety of ways It might be good to ask sandra To sit in on that discussion about the the money because sure if you if the friends are your own 501c3 Then they're My understanding is you have to hold that money yourself Not in the in the town But I'm not sure speaking for her. I just I think that's what I think Dave is going to talk to us about drafting and Do Between the town and the organization. So it's that or rather than the bylaws which We were told were not the place to put the Ship right the relationships Um, that should be a separate document that we develop with you That spells out what the friends are Providing what the town provides Right makes it a very clear relationship Right as somebody uses the town hall, you know, what percentage or what Is the cost to the town for somebody to use that? What does the friends? Yeah, what does the town? Yeah, I mean, so I think you're right that we need some kind of document Outlines and I mean they've used um as I think you remember uh playing field went through a variety of Managing mechanisms we can learn from them and exactly and ultimately they came to the solution that we're Mirroring right now Having a friends organization Manage the hall to some extent for the town And market the hall to potential users Those being Things that otherwise the town would have to take care of right Um And raising money, yeah David the the bylaws I didn't find anywhere that one of the I'm glad you mentioned it But I didn't see him here. I was looking for that one of the purposes is to manage the town hall and presumably one piece of that is Manage a scheduling Process well that would be part of what he's talking about that we would spell out in this MOU Which I think would be very specific In here, we're saying it in a very general way That will that we assist the town with this we assist the town with that We even don't completely take responsibility for fund even Fundraising you know because one of the key sources for the future For the town hall that would not be available to other facilities in town Is tax support? so this is Dividing the line between what we feel Should be tax support And what should be private fundraising is one of the trickier things with government buildings Take it from me David I do so Because those buildings do need to be supported by everybody and they do that through their taxes But there are areas That we can more clearly define that makes sense To for the friends to be responsible for those areas I think between your experience and What we heard from the experiences of the folks in playing field who went through several iterations and trying to figure this out I think we have you know What we don't have that playing field has always had is a long history of using it for cultural purposes That's brand new territory for the catalyst town hall And so it is going to be a little a little hard at first. I'm We'll figure it out imagining To get potential performers Used to using this or to think about using this space At first But it'll it's also the brand new thing So a lot of people will want to try it out, right? And I hope so we'll hope for the best Yeah, I'm looking forward to having it as some additional meeting space. Yes Absolutely. You don't describe how a person becomes in them Well, we're not in the bylaws So we're we will be developing an approach to The town that will go live At town meeting But probably not a whole lot before them Because we do need to kind of iron that out. We ourselves don't know The structure yet It says something here about Um membership and some people can just be a member, but they're not on the board So I don't know. I did see stuff in there about that. Yeah, there will be membership But it's yet to be defined and what I think we want to keep it kind of flexible too. We didn't want that Like the all wise church is really flexible, you know, right? So you don't have to sign anything. We want it to be very accessible. So I doubt that it'll be a very Costly thing and I want to keep it and for example many friends groups Volunteering is just as important as giving them money. Oh, absolutely. So, uh, it's that volunteering That will be the other key. Yeah Way to be a friend you you're automatically be a friend if you're doing The labor Giving you a mailing or rotten and saw me. I'll get a mailing You know, I'm on their boards, but I get their stuff as Yeah, I don't need it. Yeah, exactly In a variety of ways All right, that's great. Thank you. Let us know when you want to come back to the board with uh I guess clips we're going to bring uh An mou a draft mou shortly after we have our discussion with playing field All right, thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Good night, guys Take care All right, um budget morning and select work So Sandra did the final figures the final budget everybody's got her email So that it's closer with the uh, I did put So you're looking for a motion for the Oh I was in today and incorporate I put the amount in which is the amount sander gave us for the Now to be raised Projected income so it is one million six hundred and sixty one thousand five hundred and seventy four dollars Any cents? Oh, she rounded up she rounded up to um for the town budget for fy 21 and the amount to fill in from The amount to be raised in taxes is one nine three hundred and fifty four thousand four hundred and forty nine dollars But you know the article wears out one much this will be in the uh meeting uh folder. Okay. Yeah But in the article doesn't even say for fiscal year 21. No, but it's It never does it just always says I think Because I mean that's what is in the town report is the fiscal Budget It's been No, it just like struck me. I'm like we've been doing You know fiscal year 21 21 21 and the article doesn't even say it. No, but it's Right the budget in the town report is from Muhammad. You're right So, Sandra good point We gave us these amounts that we just need to fill in and and Jim reviewed. It's um, right. I'm assuming he thought about that Rose's point. I don't know if anybody has over the last forever many years. I can remember it's never said which was clear but What else would you find a key Do you figure so it's it's not in here, but it's in a different document. Is that what you mean? Is that your document? Who's running here? Do you want to just read that Katie running the Are you running a cursor on this? Okay, I didn't know who was filling out for the blinds. Are you filling in the blinds Katie? I can open. I had that document open. I can take it right in there. Is that better? And then I just want everybody to look through the That's guy at one two That says Monday At four o'clock two p.m Oh, no, you're in town meeting that's a problem go to the the meeting today's I don't think so. I bet it's this morning Okay, but she needs these numbers Yeah So I've opened it as a google doc I put in earlier today. I put in the 1.6 awaiting Sandra's information about $9 to be raised by taxes this is the amount to be raised by taxes 1,354 Come on 449 And do we fill in that next blank and the amount by non tax revenue? Yes And that should be that's right. That's the difference. Yeah, it's right there The income of three seven That's oh, this is the income 307 come on 125 and those two Numbers should equal to 1.6 million And that's not the whole thing 25 percent Um, I just want to make sure let's go through each Item to make sure we I've read this thing so many times. I probably haven't memorized We have the public library We have the town cemeteries. We have the painting of the outside of town hall The money for the chipper And then we have the clarification on use of the conservation fund And we have all these Judy sent something today Were there any changes from what she said which is what we have here I'm going to ask judy to review this list one more time. I'm going to Okay, I updated it several times, but that doesn't mean I miss something miss something. So jim changed the total On his edit was it was the math wrong? What was the total difference? Um, it was something that the callus would very food shelf That says 380 that's it. It's supposed to be 589 Um, I have to go back and look at judy's list, but I think If we do that and double check the total If we make the motion to Approve it and then they'll check judy's list And she can go ahead and fix it That's a different number. I just added those two together and I got a different number That was in the email from sander earlier today. I mean back up at the first I added together the social services number that's in the warning. Yeah, the 26 is the right number. I don't know why It's 25 Um It should be 53 145 according to sander's the total and you add two seven one three two We're talking about two different things are we talking about this list or we're talking about the amount to be raised in total budget No, I'm talking about The bottom line here When added according to the email. We've got what this morning from sandra This is from judy There was an an email from I thought it was from sandra confirming that the total for social services counting a library Is 53 140 we don't put the library here. I understand that so when you take 53 145 And you back that Out the library, which is two seven one three two you should get the number that's there And that is correct the 26. Yes, which is not I think what we saw in the morning Right, and it's because you see the callus with very food shelf says 5 29 And it should be on the warning. It's not 5 29 Yes, please That's jim's number 25 a 64 That might have been before That's what he sent us. I don't know why that was changed. I didn't do the math 26 I did the math Katie is one time when I was I think what happened is that The callus with very food shelf had not been updated when this got sent to jim, right? And he verified the numbers and that's why he made that change Okay, so he checked our math and found it to be an error Right, that's yeah, of course it's like you know, that's right So we got to find something else Right It's not there. That's right jim. You just didn't see it You just didn't know about the stuff we were telling you Why don't you know that? Right exactly. You can't remind jim what's an error It's Katie's 26 and oh one three oh one three. Yeah Is that good? Right and then we had something that went away Homeshare homeshare went away. I think we just took that right on our list There now I don't know if anybody saw the explanation of why homeshare now Has teamed up with the homeshare program in berlington Oh So it's not gone away. It's just part of a bigger organization now Is that stash? No stash is different now am I there's still offering services in our area and they still have this an office But now all their funding and funding requests come through some It's homeshare something but it's in berlington so It's probably it's probably maybe they might get more money that way Okay, we did I had sand to check the dates for the Taxes to make sure that it like wasn't the due day wasn't on the sunday or something Yeah And then this is where we took out member Other years that has said about the election of And it said it until we got confirmation from the supervisor union that we don't have to We're not electing on our australian ballot the town school directors It's on the Other ballot now So I took those out put in today's days um I think the official the official morning We're gonna have to come take turns coming down and signing it What you usually does is lose it out on the fortune. You can stop five whenever So is everybody comfortable? I'm ready to make a motion to approve the And that article 17 that's a language that we got from jim Yeah, yeah, he checked that one the one on Chipper chipper and the one on the conservation front stuff whether really the ones we wanted him to really focus on I see in the warrants We have the invoice for the tractor Okay, yeah, well for the three thousand deposit All the entire Well, yeah We need a motion to approve the warning as discussed tonight um with I need to specifically reference The first item or number three whatever is The amounts of money article we need to specifically or article four dollar amounts So I make the motion that we approve the warning as discussed tonight including budget numbers 1.6 1,661,577 Sunday for seventy four dollars for highway and general fund expenditures of which 1,354,449 shall be raised by taxes and Okay, is there any further discussion questions everybody good Oh, yeah, all those in favor, please say aye Okay, so that takes care of the budget in the morning We need to sign off on the jim you did you want to pass? Because on the uh On the select board before I want to put in there's a percentage That I wanted to begin with There is 16 percent These numbers These numbers are slightly different guys if you go back and compare them to what we looked at a couple months ago And here's why when I was going through I discovered The east month failure fire department bond of 17,077 dollars and the station bond for 35 So I added those to the emergency slice and took them out of the town slice Okay So if that is enough to account for possibly a point from a few weeks ago But it's that the emergency services here Yeah, I know it shows up when Laura gets it she'll be able to So I'll give her both the excel version and the powerpoint version and that would be all she needs to say She might end up recreating it So it's easier for her to work with but in any case Yes, emergency is 16 percent So which one of these is Can you just the 16? Okay, so let's start at 12 o'clock. Yeah paper So 12 o'clock to 2 o'clock is emergency services at 16 percent 2 o'clock to Uh 525 is Government at 30 town government at 31 percent. So it's general Yeah, but I call the town government for illustration the town government Our 525 to 11 o'clock is highway 49 percent Uh 11 to 11 30 is social and community at 3 percent And cemetery is 11 30 even at night 11 to 12 o'clock Great Thank you I think this visual would be very helpful I think so too Highway is huge Mm-hmm And it might get more It could get more but Okay So do we Is this what I called you with a panic about this time? Yeah, I put it in the folder I don't know what's funny about it Gremlins got it Oh computer gremlins can do weird things Our recreational service and deep guardrails are those the ones on jack hill Yes, we got fixed gremlins This is the one I opened from the link you said but I might move it into And then the How many trouble with the folders? That's what I called you guys last week Well, it's basically If you look at the one sharing last comment down, I think that's More or less the most current version of the one I worked on But what I put my own folder in there with hopes that I Could get it in And I don't think that worked. I think I had to do I have to just retight my changes over Is cliff may change this We had some more information about technology I mean rosa's changed about the town hall that one bullet point. I moved it up I'm just gonna send cliff. I'll just send you the pie information and excel and the power point that but I'm reasonably confident that Laura will just It's not worth us futzing around trying to put it into that. She's gonna Want it. No, I mean as long as we can see this. Not already knows where it is. Oh, I know. Why does I can't Why did that get the worst thing it blacked out does anybody know? That's one of those things. We don't have any control over because it's Oh, but it's a percentage of wages that highlighted. I don't know if it's highlighted or it was blackout. I couldn't even see what it said I don't know how that happened. So There we go Employer taxes We need to come after viewers And then this little bar down here is what Sharon rose And this is where we're going to insert the pie chart and then Either further back in the back up or back down. I didn't have the I didn't be um percentages, which is not on this pie Like me. Oh, tell him by the increase of three percent. That's still correct, right? I put that in um And I wanted to just double check when we talk about emergency services. I think it's It's down We need to make sure we put in this correct amount of 16 percent It's in a blurb of its own All right, 16 percent. Thank you, Katie. Where did you find this document? Am I right here? I think we're together in it. Yeah, but I I'm not sure where I'm in Um, I think this is Sharon's folder Which is inside of the I think we're in Sharon's It says smw select board report and then There was a word document, but then there was also already opened. We had opened it as a google doc Does that sound right? Okay, but doesn't I opened it from a link from your email? So Okay, so and that I think the one that I had was the most current because that included your changes So it's all in so we're all it's all there. Can you share that to y'all in an email? So you're all looking to the same thing That would be great. Okay But you can see I saw that the changes I put in are in this stuff Yes, and you can see Katie's edits are going in in real time as we speak Okay, and I think that was pretty much it. I think we just needed to I can't remember how to put the date in So if everybody's good with the select board report I think we're good. We're gonna motion to approve it with the changes as noted So moved Second All those in favor, please say aye Okay Finally we're done with that And I'll let you know when it needs to everybody needs to stop by and sign the meeting I'm going to go home you guys. I think I'm getting sick. So I was enjoying it And I thought I'd call it first though Oh I just feel like I'm going to fall asleep here. I can't get rid of that sick one You know when it starts to dawn you oh, I think I'm getting sick. Oh, no, two of you We we need to do you didn't get me sick We need to talk about the is it only you need me I didn't kiss you tonight. I kissed Joanne goodnight We need to talk about the RVT on is that about me here for that Well, it'd be nice if we could come to a decision tonight and then anything else that's left here can wait I'll wait for that Okay, so the final piece to be aware of with regards to if we decide to move forward With RVTAC there I mentioned this in the select board report as well is On an annual basis, they will provide us with this executive summary that will look at the current state of our IT infrastructure And you compare that to the desired state Is that we'll go ahead to you with the invoice for that Mark, you know, it's your number You gave me three constructively a gap analysis looking at the existing state of our infrastructure with the desired state They would meet with us on an annual basis Reuben For this designated rep would actually come in meet with the select board so that We can have an informed number to put into our technology fund If we're putting too much in we'll know and we can reduce it if we're not putting enough in we'll know and we can raise it Nice question I thought the server was going to cost us 10 grand, why is it 18.5? It's um It's all through the estimate there the raw server is 10 and then there's the labor and other Accessories required for full implementation installation. Wow. Are there a long term? Recommendations We get a trade-in on that old server Yeah Can we strip it off and give it to somebody? We can ask the question You know, it's nice to repurpose it somehow or yeah As a non critical, maybe it could be a secondary factor or something Um Couldn't use it as a secondary backup because of its age it would be Too precarious to rely. No, I meant this is a backup to the backup You know backup blows up I don't know whatever someone could use it for Go another 10 years, you never know or it could crap out tomorrow exactly But I can ask the question And if what happens where do the old servers go when they die to the old server junkyard? Yep, probably to the cloud Any rate with that With this additional piece of the puzzle the question I would ask the board is Are we comfortable with are we ready to Enter into a new contract Based on our fee we submitted And the proposal provided by rbtek This is something we need to Motion Actually very non-journey, but is our servers running 24 sevens future running where we shut it off at night And why do we do that because they'd service it remotely? No, you can have remote access. There's backup routines that occur It goes into it go into a sleep mode. Oh, it does but it It's never fully down It's like If you have your computer on and it goes into sleep mode and you take a button it wakes up Right as opposed to if you actually completely So I did Okay, um, it says the network is running using an unmanaged. What does that mean an unmanaged 16 or something rather Um Basically, it's it's a dumb switch that doesn't require But why does it say it's unmanaged unmanaged? There's spark negative switches, which you can remotely monitor ours It's not felt that would be we need That level of sophistication And then it says it talks the third bullet Talks about a third party vendor for credit card processing I think that's something that we should possibly look at Well, there's any number of possibilities. You can use square Any time you've done business There's several businesses in the Melchilio that have them and maybe instead of having a regular card reader for your friend Yeah, it's like it'll be an iPad. There's a little square on the side. Yep. Okay, now to what it is There are I mean We can probably talk to our bank and they could say, yeah, we can give you a credit card processing solution All of these things on the mysterious prices But I wonder why they're saying why are they suggesting this because it's security Oh, because the number of security numerics At its core what it's based on Is a software protocol that's not supported by anybody anywhere Oh That's why we spent $5,000 because it's growing up and they had to fix it or They're trying to out there. Yeah, they didn't raise their fees. All right. Okay Next question Okay, so something about the four workstations needing to be replaced didn't we do this Yes, but this was written as old prior to When that happened, all right, um that this one boat backups are run using a c200 locally The c200 is aging and no longer supported. What is that? It's yeah, as we upgrade our server, we will go to a new backup procedure Okay, this is the bat and this is that procedure, right? Okay And everything Okay administrative domain hosting, what does all that mean? The domain is that dot dot gov thing, right? Yeah, I got that but what does that mean as far as Prudentials are defined and stored in an in a known location if RB tech is the register Domain is RB tech is the registrar stryer Domain is registered to client. So that's that remote dot gov Oh, you're on page But but it isn't Right. They're not the registrar They're not This is okay. So this okay. So this is not something we're doing, right? That's what I'd say. Yeah, okay And my last question I think is short term Recommendations upgrade the aging switch to a managed unit This comes back to your first question In that gear switch They're saying at this point in a recommend that we do go to a more sophisticated switch And that would be part of replacement of the server and that would be part of an upgrade All right, thank you So What do we need to do? well, um, do we want to vote Second No, thank you so much for all your work on this Amount of time and knowledge and With all my questions, I really appreciate it All right, all those in favor you say aye. Aye any opposed What's the term of the conference? It's one year And then um, he's going to come in every year. I'll come in every year He will address anything that needs to be updated in the contract so that Because if you look at our other our existing contract, we're into right now There's very dated information And we have this agreement that that's not going to be the case if we roll it over It's with understanding that it's going to be updated And you know, it has like toby and donna as points of contact Like this And they might have that in their system on their file, but we want a If we interact in every green contract, we want it to be current right year. So that'll be part of the agreement going forward This analysis will happen every year And what we need to look at for where we're at Where we should be at Where the potential costs are where potential savings are Vulnerability Yeah, I saw that there was something to do Are we all done voting did you vote? Mm-hmm Yeah Yeah, I saw um, we don't need to talk about it tonight, but I'm gonna check it out further The passive now has some kind of insurance For it's included and we have passive insurance something about cybersecurity and ransomware and all that I want to I got I just read it quickly today But since we're talking about all this stuff now becoming more common is that becomes more of a concern, right? because we're getting insurance and the chance that they might get bit by ransomware and then What happens when you do that is then you just go ahead and pay the ransom Well now passive includes this cyber security ransomware up to I think it was 25 I gotta read it again, so that's the game the ransomware people will play is they'll figure out what the threshold of pain is for the entity of excise And what their insurance I was gonna do is get a hold of the lct's email And then I guess we talked a little bit about that's probably that contracts and cyber security Yes, they're willing to do that But strongly recommender first that we consider other options that may be available to us through the lct Which just brings me to my thing about the cyber passive thing that we can check and see what they have to training at the lct And also another idea that was cost out is if we wanted to come back to them And say well, we'd like to have something more in depth in what's offered by the lct They would then look to see if there are other towns they're contracted with it would be interested in a similar type program And do a webinar and the freight it costs amongst all the towns So I think any cannabis thing I I've been I've made changes to it. I'll tell you guys Anything else can wait. We got a couple of people a couple we got to do CVRPC is going to come to the next meeting about the Publication plan conservation commission was going to come tonight, but Wanted to wait till after they met with I forget now who about the emerald ash borer The stuff Next time if everybody could Double check the minutes And let's get a motion to adjourn Yes