 Good evening everybody. We'd like to go ahead and get started If you could please take your seats, we're going to get started. Thank you everybody So if you're here for the Shanae Village neighborhood meeting you are in the correct location My name is Bill Rose and I'm a supervising planner with the City of Santa Rosa My name is on the public notice that you all received. Thank you very much for coming out tonight We know that this is definitely Taking a bite out of your time and we really appreciate this before I get started I wanted to acknowledge the city staff that are assisting me tonight. So joining me as a co-moderator is Serena Lino she is our administrative services officer for the planning department and We have a number of other staff members that are scattered throughout and so if all of you could just raise your hand quickly Patrick, Jessica, Claire, Monet, out in the lobby we have Andrew, we have Adam All of the city staff can be identified by their badges So they'll either be wearing them on their hips or on their lapels and you'll see in a few minutes that we have a Interactive segment of the presentation a little bit later and all of those staff members will be involved With that I'd like to turn it over to Serena who's going to go over the agenda for tonight Good evening. Excuse me. Good evening everybody. I'm going to come around the podium. So it's a little easier for me So as Bill mentioned the agenda for the evening We haven't set up in a few different segments And so it's going to provide an opportunity for all of your questions and your comments to get answered this evening So we're going to start off with an overview of the project Bill will be providing that for you and then we're going to turn it over to the developer to go over the project itself with More specific details. We ask that as they're doing their presentations Many of you collected some post-it cards as you were signing in this evening. Some of you have already submitted some questions Thank you for that, but please keep note of some of your questions along the way So then the next segment is we're going to be doing a structured Q&A session So we'll collect all of those questions from you and then we'll read them off for the panel to answer After we conclude that portion, we're also going to provide opportunities for folks to come up and speak up here at the Microphone, so if your question is still unanswered, this will be another opportunity for you to speak as well And then finally at the end of the evening We will have staff and the developers stationed wherever you see the photos of the project So you there'll be a staff assigned to each one of those photos so you can go up and ask Personal more specific questions if you like so the idea behind this is to provide different types of Opportunities for you to ask questions and provide some comments throughout the evening Okay, and then we do ask that when you are asking your questions that there is a lot of people in this room It's very packed and so there's a lot of people that have lots of questions And so we want to be able to honor that and we ask that you please be concise as possible To allow for as many questions to be answered this evening Let's see here a few little Housekeeping things for you if you need it We do have Spanish interpretation services available and you can look for Julie in the back of the room She's waving her hands if you need those Thank you Julie We also have childcare services that are being provided by recreation and parks in the Cyprus room Which is just out the doors to the left If you need the restrooms, they are directly outside these doors We go straight back so there's restrooms for you need in and then finally we want to let you know that we are recording this Meeting this evening because there are several folks that cannot attend So we wanted to be able to make sure to capture all of this information for those folks And it will be posted on our website at a later time and then finally We will have the website is actually up live It's available for you to access as of now And we're going to be using that as our opportunity to provide you with regular updates about this particular project So we ask that you please go and visit if you have not signed up to receive direct emails about for updates about the project There's an opportunity for you to sign up for the distribution list on the website or Many of you who came in and signed in at the tables out in the lobby You may have signed your email address there if you did not get a chance to do that Please feel free to sign up before you leave this evening or again You could just go on the website and then you can sign up there as well Okay, I think with that we are gonna turn it back over to Bill and he will start the presentation Great, thank you Serena So I'd like to begin by describing the neighborhood meeting and what its objective is so I'm just gonna quickly read This is right out of our zoning code and it says a pre-application neighborhood meeting is required It is required for each discretionary project Shall require a pre-application neighborhood meeting in compliance with the following requirements to provide the opportunity for early input by affected neighbors While neighborhood consensus or agreement is the goal. It is not a required outcome of neighborhood meetings. So I'm feeling like there's gonna be a lot of consensus tonight So right in the title it says pre-application neighborhood meeting the city has not received development applications all we have received essentially are the graphics you see tonight and a project description and we have Reviewed this project. We do know what entitlements will be required So I'm gonna describe those in a minute, but we've not done a detailed analysis So I will apologize in advance if there are questions that we are not able to answer because we have not done that analysis But part of tonight's meeting is for us to take feedback from you So essentially it's a meeting for the developer to introduce this project to the neighborhood and it's an opportunity for The developer and city staff to take your feedback to take your questions answer them the best that we can and to take Your comments so we can enter them into the record and they can inform us as we go forward So that's the goal for tonight's meeting. I'm gonna go over the required entitlements That are required from the city of Santa Rosa for this project The first we have is the general plan amendment So every parcel in the city has a general plan designation. That is the highest level of land use Governance on a property and so this project needs to change the land use designation That means it'll go to the planning commission and it'll ultimately be decided on by the city council The next is a rezoning. So your zoning classification, which every parcel has is what implements the visions of the general plan So you think of the general plan is it's general it's broad and the zoning is more specific and it implements that goal And so this project needs to change the zoning as well The next is a tentative map. That's the formal name for a subdivision of land So this project will include a subdivision that will go to the planning commission In Santa Rosa any development and that's very broadly defined That occurs on slopes over 10% requires a hillside development permit The next is a conditional use permit. It's exactly what the name says it's permits certain land uses under certain conditions and Then the last is the major design review and that's where the city's design review board our design body will review this project And and take action all of these are Subjects of public hearings. So if you received a notice for tonight's meeting, you will receive notices for all of these And if you didn't we encourage you to sign into our checklist so you can get future notifications The next item I'd like to discuss is the environmental review So the California Environmental Quality Act is the law that governs in the environmental review in the state And this project is going to be subject to an environmental impact report also known as an EIR And that is the highest level of environmental review that you can do. I Make that note because there's been a lot of discussion recently about AB 2267 You may have seen the article in the paper this weekend and that is the city's efforts to basically exempt or streamline Projects and I want to be very clear that this project will not be subject to that provision That is for specific areas in the city and it is not where this project is located So this project will not be exempt quite the contrary. It will be subject to the highest level of environmental review The next thing I'd like to mention is the timeline So a project of this complexity is generally on an 18 to 24 month timeline it is a housing project and By policy city the city is expediting review and putting you know a lot of resources on to housing projects We will be doing that even with those resources and I'm going to talk a little bit about that in a minute It still will be probably an 18 to 24 month process Going forward the next steps. We are currently we have them in draft form We will be issuing two requests for proposals. So the city is going to Enlist the services of outside consultants one to do the environmental impact report They will be in contract with the city. They will report to the city The city will not be funding that that will be funded by the consultant But the contract will be with the city and the selection of that consultant is done by the city Similarly the city is working on another request for proposal and this will go out concurrently with the EIR proposal for staffing assistance. So the idea will be to again Look for a planning consultant firm or individual that can help on the day-to-day project management Again, they will report to city staff city staff will select that consultant that we paid for by the applicant the next meeting that will occur public meeting is concept design review so Project like this is required to go to the design review board in a conceptual fashion So largely the plans you see tonight will be presented to the design review board the meetings are held on alternate Thursdays At the city council chambers at City Hall We have not confirmed the date, but I would make a note of August 2nd That's a likely target for this meeting. These are not public hearings. And so therefore, they're not publicly noticed However, we will announce this through our social media and through our website So as Serena mentioned our website is going to be our tool to continue to funnel information So srcity.org forward slash shenate is the website and we'll announce that concept design review at that on that website With that I'm going to turn it over to the applicant team. They're gonna They're gonna go through the project details and then we're gonna get back into the the heart of the meeting tonight Which is to take public comment And I have to step in for just a moment So we have a very full room And so we have some capacity issues that we need to deal with for just a moment So if you have an empty seat next to you, can you please raise your hand or squish in so we can fill in some Of these seats Because we actually need to clear the doorway back there for safety reasons And it also to if you could you could squeeze along down the side, but there's a couple seats up here There's a few here, maybe one or two over here But we do need to make sure to clean that space or the the doorways in the back and please feel free to come along down the sides as well and I hear a couple phones So if we could please take a moment to check your phones and make sure and all your devices to make sure they're on silent That would be great It's a couple here feel free to come all the way down here to the front or over here to the sides Okay It's a tight squeeze Is it on? Hello? Yeah. Good evening How are you all? My name is Kamran Shah Hussaini. I am with Shanae Community Development Partners I'm a partner and the project lead First and foremost, I want to say this is this is amazing this is this is actually wonderful and this level of passion and Commitment to your community. I think is a very positive thing. So I want to say thank you all very very much for coming out I know a time is time is tight for most and so thank you I want to start out with Essentially, what's there now as you can see and I'm sure you all know driven by it a couple of times. There's currently the Sutter hospital which has been Which has been abandoned and a lot of county county buildings across history the county campus Many of those are no longer No longer functioning as well I'm going to essentially walk you through our proposal. It is a conceptual proposal. So we'll start there It's what we are intending to turn into the city But it's very early on in the process and there's going to be a lot of this type of process That we're going to go through So here is the site plan and what you'll see are Essentially three separate neighborhoods. So Conceptually what we tried to do is Create three separate neighborhoods to break up the campus and get a feeling of community in each one So you're going to have very different architecture in each community So you have your first here your second here and your third here It was really important to provide services in each community And so that you don't have to go all the way to one area for all of your needs So again, we really wanted that feeling of community within each of these neighborhoods. We'll call them. I'll move forward So this is the hospital building now it looks an awful lot like the hospital building that's there because What we've done is we've actually found some some pictures from the original New Deal hospital that was built and We're going to do everything in our power to rebuild that hospital Identically accept up to code so it's going to have all the new all the new the bells and whistles on the inside But look very much like the original New Deal hospital. That was the whitewashed Spanish colonial design I have our architect here. He's probably shooting daggers my way No, yeah, Spanish colonial. All right. I nailed it. It's gonna have the red tile roof. It's gonna have the whitewashed stucco and Be very much in that style. What we intend to do is carry that architectural style throughout all of the different types of housing in that area So these are all multifamily buildings Here are some townhomes and Here is some commercial So if I can show you What the commercial building looks like again keeping with that same style? We have long-standing relationship with Oliver's markets. We built the Bell Village shopping center Where the Oliver's is currently the new Oliver's and so we've offered them right of first refusal To come in here. So we're very excited. We've again, we'd love to see something, you know, it's gonna be Think we're gonna have between 16,000 and 18,000 square feet there So it's gonna be very small and I think probably focus on you know to go food things like that There may also be some space for a couple of neighborhood restaurants or a cafe again conceptual But this is you know, what our what our intentions are keep going backwards. I apologize So these are some of the the renderings of the three-story buildings in in that same area These are 12 unit apartments And there is a 24 unit apartment So something I wanted to mention about the original hospital is that it's pretty exciting is It's gonna be multi-use. So we're gonna have units on the second floor on the first floor we intend to do the marketing and sales office for that particular neighborhood and We also wanted to tie into the history that this site has because it's a it's a remarkable history and It's one of healing and we thought it really should We should do something to mark that and reflect that other than of course reconstructing that hospital So our intention is to work with Sonoma County museums and with the JC to create a small Museum it's in that building where we can invite K through five classes high school classes come through and to learn about How amazing, you know, this site is and was and so we want to really tie into that that that history that's there Going through here are some renderings of the townhomes that were up along the hospital drive that goes north Next we're gonna go Sorry, I'm trying to get this pointer right we go through a lot of the same thing there we go So now we're heading over here To the larger neighborhood that I think has some interest here a little bit What we have here is amenities for this neighborhood include a soccer field which we'd really love to to incorporate there Multisport courts Swimmy pool as well as the sales office here and then multi-family three-story multifamily what you see bordering The property learn our garages one-story garages so as to minimize the and the impact And then we also have at the very closest an 80-foot from building to building setback. So I wanted to make that clear You can see some of these units here that would be the recreation building this is Oak Null and that's intended to be our senior component 260 units of senior apartments and These will be Proposed to be four stories and they will have an elevator as well as underground parking for all all of them Just so we're sensitive to that particularly need of that population These are the furthest away from from any other housing on the site Which is why we kept any four-story component over here. They also have all of their own amenities very much built to The senior population sorry This is one of those units and this is a look at the recreation building for that unit Here's some of the buildings to be maintained on site This is the public health lab Here's the morgue and Finally, we have a facility run by cap Community action partnership So we were going to With with this cap property a few things we're gonna do first We're going to we've we've designed the project around it. We think it's a very important Part of the community and serves the community so we have decided to work with cap to Increase the security involved there and minimize the impacts of the of the neighboring Development we're also going to retire the debt the underlying debt on that property for cap and then Also gift them that property so that they have an asset that's free and clear that they can then use To continue to spread their message and and further their their goal So we're we're happy that we can do that Thrilled we can do that the other thing we're doing is there is a 55 unit right Here Veterans housing set aside and so this is going to be a Vash project Vash our vouchers for homeless veterans that give them the ability to actually get housing Burbank will be the ones building that project. We will be creating a pad Stubbing all the utilities to that project and then donating that to to Burbank so they can build that So we're again something else that we felt very strongly about and we think is going to be a really good addition to the property Burbank as you know has a wonderful reputation. They've been doing this for a very long time and we appreciate them Some other really important things I want to go through We didn't want to just come in and Serve our own purposes with our own neighborhoods. They already have all of all of the amenities We want to do a few things that created Created some amenities for the entire neighborhood the greater neighborhood that is Shanae We recognize it's a it's a wonderful place and it's obviously a tight-knit community full of people that care so we wanted to Create a few amenities that we think will will add to that feeling of community We also wanted to integrate this project with the greater community. So over here. We have an amphitheater It's going to have grass steps That and and a small stage we envision, you know K through five classes coming doing small plays things like that You want to jiggle the just jiggle the thing. I think what's asleep? The other one get to go through it again. Yeah. Oh, please. Sorry Okay, so we have to do another quick check about capacity So I need to encourage folks to please come up alongside here Our farm marshal is asking us to please squish in as much as possible and clear the back doorways Sorry for the inconvenience, but we want to make sure everybody is safe So if everyone could please maybe you can come up through the aisles as well There's a space up here for more standing room Yeah, I think so unfortunately Hmm and then if you if you choose you could also stand in the lobby just so long as there are Access points to get out through the doors So, okay Think a little bit more. I think there's a there's a seat over here There's a couple more seats up here if anybody wants to come and sit down Okay Thank you people for Raising your hands if there are seats folks. There's more seats over here if you'd like to sit down We're improvising this works. It's okay. Hello All right that worked out well I was getting to the the other overall neighborhood amenities just wanted to point out two more The next one is a community garden and that's gonna have greenhouses raised beds. It's gonna be fairly large And again be able to accommodate the overall community The third is a large dog park right here and again We welcome the entire community to use that amenity. We maintain it We also have about two miles of trails that we're gonna be putting in multi-use trails While white walk-and-bike trails that are gonna Go around the water agency property connecting all three of these to the Parcel J the open space the pollen Creek Reserve area and That of course will remain there will be a conservation easement placed on that property We'll be improving the trails so that they're they're safe and extremely usable and making that connection all the way through to both the three neighborhood overall neighborhood amenities and the Commercial and then a couple of bus stops that will be on Shanaid as well in order to serve the community Last thing I really wanted to touch on which we're I think most proud of with this project is that we're We're proposing 20% Affordable not just 20% affordable but 20% very low income There's a really huge difference between affordable and very low income Affordable is very low income as a classification of affordability But very low income means that it's going to be 50% of median income. So as an example a Two-bedroom, which is right now renting out for 27 or 2800 in the community market rate will go for around 950 to 980 dollars a month So this project work presents 160 of those units That is a that's a major major amount and that will create a significant difference We feel for the workforce the working class that is really truly being priced out this community We're very worried about that and this is our our way of helping to solve that Additionally that doesn't include the Burbank 50 the 55 units of Vash house Homeless that's housing which we'll go in so that will actually bring this project to over 25% of the total units as Either VLI or even more affordable. So That's that is my presentation. I have Today with me Robert South who is our architect and Brandon show who is a development specialist We'll be answering your questions, but again, thank you very much for coming your attendance means a lot And we look forward to working with you all in the future Okay, so take a moment and jot down any questions You might have on your cards because that's going to be the next segment of the evening is we're going to take some Time to read through some of your questions. So we've already collected several But if you do have some more raise your hand and we'll have staff come around if you could pass it to the sides That would be helpful Let's see Thank you If we can get our city staff team to please help collect the card that'd be very helpful Thank you Yeah, bitch about traffic so traffic Enter exit figuring the hillside with measure movement removal material neighborhood access to amenities Okay Everybody we're gonna go ahead and get started We have our awesome staff team up here helping us sort them into categories So we can make sure to try to stay on track and as concise as possible. So we're gonna start off Off with some traffic questions. I guess this is the juicy topic, huh? We're right to the heart of it. Okay Well then, okay, so the first question What about traffic particularly at commute times who is liable for gridlock in accidents city of Santa Rosa with a question mark? so Can you hear me? No, how about now ice cream cone microphone, right? Okay, so as I mentioned environmental impact report, that's the highest level of environmental review that we can do and Part of that review will include a number of topical areas. It'll include in aesthetics and biological impacts greenhouse gas impacts and one of the topical areas is Transportation and traffic so this project is going to require a full traffic impact study And it is the city's responsibility to evaluate that study to go through the whole public process So environmental review at its core is a public process So all of the meetings all of the documents everything associated that with that will be available for public review Part of tonight's meeting the message that we'd like to express in addition to a thank you for coming out tonight is truly a Request that you stay involved because city staff will evaluate this like I have to ask, right? City staff will evaluate all of the documents. We will do site visits We will do all of the analysis But it's always the case that people that live in the area really add to this whole evaluation and this process so What I can tell you is traffic as we are well aware of is going to be a very hot topic throughout and it is our Obligation through environmental review to analyze the traffic impacts Okay So this next question is it for the development team What percentage of your budget is planned to pay for required entitlements and reviews? How much do you anticipate the budget to be and bill this might be more of a question for you, too, but Get in there It has to do with the process and we don't know We're trying we're trying to work on the sound here just a moment. We can use this one. How about that? Hey, I Think sorry guys Anyway, I anticipate I could not anticipate what that those costs would be Unfortunately, this is the beginning of a process and it's one that we we don't know We don't know what it's going to be exactly. So I couldn't tell you. I'm sorry Yeah, yeah, so just quickly cheese the The entitlement list that I provided is nearly all of the entitlements that you can ask for with a project So in terms of fees to the city for those just the entitlements it will be in the tens of thousands of dollars I wouldn't be surprised if it's 50 to 75 thousand dollars the environmental impact report will be in the several hundred thousand dollar range two three four hundred thousand dollars is probably What will be expected for this project? then After entitlements that I failed to mention it in my presentation will be the building permit phase So the 18 to 24 months that I mentioned that's for planning permits after that will be the building permit review Which will take a number of months to go through that and then there are additional fees That's where building permit fees impact fees, etc. Will be assessed the applicant okay What is the city doing about the building safety due to the fact that proposed site is located on top of the Roger Creek Fault So I suspect a lot of the answers tonight are going to keep pointing back to the EIR that I mentioned So another topical area will be Geotechnical hazards, so part of that will include detailed geotechnical analysis that'll be reviewed by city staff and Because of the fault activity in the area, we will also be requiring a peer review so the city will contract with a Consulting geological engineer to review all of the studies and to assist the city staff in their conclusions Okay Let's hear where are the construction workers going to come from I lost my home in the Tubbs fire And it will likely be that this project will take our workers away and or increase our prices When you provide jobs for development Prices tend to go down because you're not paying so much for those those same jobs We okay, we as a company have multiple projects that are under construction at any given time throughout the state And so we have many many many subcontractors that are working on those and those We will be able to relocate here in order to build this project now. This is a this is a ways off obviously so Though the more but in the end the more Workforce you have in the area the better off it's going to be because if there's work to be done They'll stay it's getting them here in the first place. That's the hard part. Okay Why are there no single family homes? part of these stated goals of both the city and the county and and I think Much of Santa Rosa is to get housing built as many units as we can we can build and what I've heard from The the supervisors is 30,000 units in in five years. I believe it is We we needed density here because We're actually fairly low in terms of density as proposed We have a density of if you take into account The through the EIR which we have to do The sites that we're doing off-site improvements on we're at seven point four units an acre Which is really very close to what a small lot subdivision of single family homes would be We're at ten point six If you exclude the disposition properties, so only the property that we're purchasing we haven't purchased it yet We're in contract to purchase it Then what you're looking at is actually very low density But it's in terms of the entire project, but it's focused on certain areas of the project So that we can utilize as much of this project as possible. We believe at this point Although again, this is preliminary that there will be around ten acres of additional development Beyond what was there? Okay Okay, all right So we're gonna keep moving along. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What sorry What I'm saying is as as it is proposed right now There will be ten additional acres of development a little less than ten then what is already developed on the property right now Meaning paving buildings, etc We're redeveloping what was there so we're building on top of so as to limit disturbing The open space. All right, so this question is regarding low-income housing How many low-income housing units were though will there be and how are you going to monitor the occupancy rate? So this is regarding low-income housing, how many units will there be and how will you be monitoring the occupancy rate? Sure, as I mentioned in the presentation, there'll be a hundred and sixty proposed very low-income units and There will be 55 of the bash housing units bill by Burbank We're partnering with Burbank who has a long and extensive history of managing those units And how are you defining very low income very low income is 50% of area median income. So again A unit that would rent right now for between 27 to 2800 a multi-family unit would at this point Be between 900 and a thousand so a significant Savings of cost And one additional follow-up question and will there be specific units for seniors and veterans in the low-income units? 20% of the totality of the project so all of the different types of housing will be VLI so that means 20% of the senior apartments 20% of the market rate as well and then also from the city side just about the question of how that's being monitored The developer will actually enter into a contract with our housing authority And so it's going to be de-restricted on the on the on the units that they have to be maintained in that affordability It's typically 55 It's a 55 year contract for providing affordability. We have a lot of questions Let's see here So this question how many children will this project add to hidden Valley Elementary? I I have absolutely no idea We're still in the preliminary phases and we don't know what the makeup is going to be of our tenants However, I do know that there is a fairly steep school fee that will have to be a part of the The impact of this project and is designed to essentially give the school Resources needed to accommodate those extra students Okay, so let's hear okay, so who will maintain all of the amenities with this new project We are committed to maintain all those All those amenities Could you clarify who is we? The developer Sinead community development partners The developer Sinead community development partners I we haven't not drafted up the contract But this will be a part of the process that we have with the city of Santa Rosa Okay, so of the developed area, what is the building coverage percentage? So what's the percentage to the whole property? Let's see Yeah, I know I know it is less than 50 percent But what we can do is give that information to the city of Santa Rosa and they can put that on the website Sorry one moment. Okay, so is Santa Rosa City actually considering allowing a 51 unit vets Facility at the entry to cobblestone development sure is I'm assuming the city of Santa Rosa actually considering allowing a 51 unit vets facility at the entry to cobblestone development So as the applicant indicated tonight, that is part of their project So the city is obligated to consider it to review it doesn't mean that it will be Accepted or approved at the completion of the analysis, but if that's what is proposed when the applications come in That's what the city will evaluate Okay, this is more of a comment versus a question But the comment is addressing additional cost of more fire and protection or fire protection and police I'll address that so again back to the EIR public safety public services is a topical component So fire safety and analysis in conjunction with traffic circulation patterns safe Circulation patterns will all be part of the environmental review And as bill mentioned earlier the developer is subject to fees They're called impact fees So the the additional services that would be required to serve the community the fees go into our general fund or to the appropriate departments such as school fees and the fire department and Road improvements that kind of thing Okay Has anybody asked the residents how they feel about an amphitheater? Okay, all right Message received The question is is based off of the feedback from the crowd. Are you still gonna pursue putting in an amphitheater? Okay, so let's hear Where will the parking be for the soccer field museum in Amphitheater? At this point conceptually it's behind the parking you see behind the Commercial Center There are also many many other solutions for parking other than on-site including shuttles. So we will explore Okay, we got one taker for a shuttle here. Okay so the Thank you. The developed areas on the site plan appeared to occupy 75% of the 82 acre property That leaves less than 20 acres of what most of us think of as open space How did you calculate 66.8 acres of open space and are you counting driveways parking spaces in landscapes? We used a program called CAD which took our site plan and we lassoed around all of the development that was there And all of the proposed development and then excluded the rest is open space. All right This question knows what is the apartment vacancy percentage in Santa Rosa? I'm not sure if we know that offhand That might have to be it's very low Okay, we might have to look into that one at a later time. I'm hearing it's around 1% Approximately, okay. Thank you All right, the Shanae village site is an animal corridor Also, many birds use trees on properties for nesting. How will this corridor be protected for wildlife? As bill had mentioned earlier the project is subject to the environmental impact report Which bill said was was the is the highest level of review that we do and one of the elements that we look at Is biological impacts so so wildlife corridors there there'd likely be an attached Technical report that is prepared to inform the environmental impact report that looks at specifically at environmental impacts related to a wildlife and biology Also endangered or threatened species Okay So if any of the project goes through will it all become part of the high fire danger area? it we have our city fire department maintains what's called wildland urban interface maps and they Designate certain areas of the city as as being Subject to high high likelihood for fire and that comes attached with a whole lot of additional standards that are put on to the development For for fire safety and building construction We're not sure if it's actually in that area, but okay All right So I have another traffic related question Why the roundabout it? It's the worst part of the entire project and won't allow cars from other neighborhoods to interchinae due to consistent traffic on a two-lane road That is a concept that we put in we've seen how effective they are we've built a couple on old redwood highway It again, we're going to have to refer to the traffic study Which is going to tell us whether or not that is going to alleviate any potential traffic issues or not so if it doesn't Obviously, then it will point to to to a no Okay Does the project require reconfiguring the hillside with massive movements and a removal of material? Again, we did our very best to develop within The already developed footprint of the previous property. There'll be nine or ten acres again that will Will be fresh development and that will absolutely require earth moving As will the the rest of it on the fringes of the property But there's good. There's a lot of again when you're redeveloping something There's also a lot of dirt that you are going to need to move To balance the site. Are there any plans to turn shane into three lanes each way? How did I get stuck with the microphone on this one? so That particular aspect has not been evaluated. I want to go back to just the the roundabout Same with the roundabout That is a proposal that's coming from the applicant will evaluate that we being the city's engineering department traffic engineering department It'll be part of the traffic study the same thing holds true for the the configuration of shane and how many lanes It will ultimately be simply don't have that answer right now Okay So at this time we're going to begin transitioning to the next segment of the evening So which is we would like to invite folks to come up here to the mics And if you'd like to ask a question yourselves, will you ask that you please? Actually come up and line up and so we could take turns Don't rush too quickly Thank you. Yeah, that should be fine So All right, everybody, so we're gonna go ahead and get started We're gonna do a little bit of toggling back and forth just because of the issues with the microphones right So we're gonna keep the two lines But we're gonna go back and forth between each line because I'm gonna hand over my sturdy microphone to the table over here So we'll start over on this side And I we just asked that if you could please be as concise as possible Because there are several people that would like to make some comments or ask questions So we just ask that everybody be respectful of everybody's time. So with that said, we'll go ahead and ask the first question My name is Adrienne lobby. I'm with homeless action We would like to know if the property and how the property can be used Between now and the construction for the shelter of homeless people considering that there is an homeless emergency in Santa Rosa That that is something we're definitely open to and interested in however, we do not own the property. So This is this is still County property. We are in contract And we'll close upon entitlements, but do not own it yet. So I'm sorry that we're the wrong party. I'm Evelyn Anderson. I'm a From the Hidden Valley neighborhood and I'm a trustee on the Santa Rosa City School Board and tonight I'm here to speak on behalf of the school board and because we have serious concerns about this project and And its impact on the schools if the project does not consider traffic infrastructure for student transportation and evacuation The schools in this residency area are at full capacity. There is no room for any more students But the there is no school provided for in the project plan that we've seen so far and Development fees alone will not come anywhere near providing what is needed for a new school Our our district office has estimated that it would require 30 million dollars for a 400 student Elementary school which would be in keeping with that what's expected to be the student population of this size of development And regarding evacuation the students from Hidden Valley school evacuate to Franklin Park Which means you have somewhere in the neighborhood of six hundred students who need to get to their safe space going down chanate past this development And I for one am really concerned With getting our students to safety and a disaster as quickly as possible and would not want to risk any blockage or delay and I Believe the EIR also takes into account public services such as schools So I really thank you for your time and consideration. That's opportunity So just one point really quick Although it's great to have everybody applaud We just want to maybe you could do like we do at council wave your hands just so that we can keep this Move in for folks this evening. Thank you. Sorry and thank you Thank you for being here. It's a beautiful crowd So I want to share a thought mostly to the crowd so I don't want to turn my back to you The psychology of the psychology and containing any crowd be now overcome and I'll share it out loud All public servants and politicians well intended or not are cogs in the political wheel This system our so-called political animal has become worse than any lying, thieving, spoiled, two-year-old requiring a timeout My question is will you be quiet as I finish what I'm saying a Complete termination of the connection a 40-day beautiful full moon high noon prophetic freedom strike From on high and that highness resides in our heart Malcolm X was correct when he said power never steps back in the face of greater power It's time for the 40-day strike for freedom and get off our knees to the bankers and their lead legions of lawyers I am that I am and I say it you hear it will be so it is done It's time to set down the status quo instead of sucking up to a system that has taken out JFK and anybody we're speaking about and That's where we are. That's what time it is. Will you ask the police officer to please come up to the front? Okay, moving on Hi, my name is Frank Schultz. I live at the the eight or the intersection of Tarra Linda Drive and Shnate Road on a private road. You guys drive by my house every day I don't think you really fully understand the amount of traffic that comes down the road and as far as a 35 mile per hour Speed limit. No, it's 45 everybody that comes out of Lameda's Heights and I'm sure everybody that lives close to this road has taken their life in their hands trying to get on to that road Because people do not slow down and for For you to propose this type of development that will probably increase the road traffic at least 3,000 cars per day and By the fact if you were there during the fire and knew that every route that you have there was cut off And the only way out The only way out of to get the hell out of the way of this fire was to come out Shnate Road and go down to Mendocino That was it. It was surreal You should have been there and you guys should all be there when this traffic is going. It's all day long It's not just in the morning. I lived there. I hear it all day long I put up trees in front of my house on the divider strip I put fences up everything else to shut it out, but no you want to just keep making it bigger How how big do we want this city when I moved here 40 years ago that I've lived in this house There were 59,000 people in this town now from the last thing that I read there's 175,000 in the city limits This is getting ridiculous. I don't think you guys and especially surely zing will be happy Until you make this once beautiful city look like freaking San Jose and that's where we're headed Hi, this is a question for the developer. My name is Diane Harris. I live in Hidden Valley estates What guarantee do we have that you will not just pay in lieu fees instead of building affordable housing? In lieu fees are not part of our plan in any way. And so we've the plan that we've submitted Includes that housing so the city of Santa Rosa. That's what they're considering That's part it's integral to the plan So There's no Yeah, so that was the next question. What about Windsor and then the same question to the city staff? Is there any way to have a guarantee? So there's no requirement from the city at this time for on-site affordable housing We will respond to the application we receive right now The applicant is indicating that they will be including affordable housing We will confirm that when the applications are submitted Hello, my name is Mark Epstein. I'm with the friends of pollen creek We we've been trying to get an answer to a question that I think you should be able to tell us on the conceptual design The pollen creek preserve is parcel n parcel j parcel o and parcel p Are you building inside of parcel n the water agency parcel as part of your plan? Yes, that's correct the overall Um The overall amenities for the overall neighborhood are to the north the further furthest most north portion of The the water agency property. So you're not building on parcel j and and again, those are only the amenities Those are not the neighborhood amenities in the trails. So I understand it's the amphitheater Is it the dog park? Is it the community gardens? What else is it? That's correct? That's it and then the road that runs through above those the gardens in the park. Is that in parcel and as well? No, okay? And Is part of your plan that you plan to present? You know, if not tonight at the next stage you're going to show how you're going to mitigate the impact of 860 units 67 units on the wildlife and on the preserve. So it's preserved. I mean our message is preserve the preserve We need you to show in your plan that there is a way to absorb 2,000 people sharing this so that it doesn't destroy the thing that we're trying to protect Again, we're putting a conservation easement on j in part thanks to your effort and and so we uh, again That conservation easement will ensure a lot of that Where the intersection is on shanae road and where the hospital where you go into the hospital is where the turnaround is That's uh 268 feet above sea level The top of where oakrest is or the sonoma behavioral center is is 318 feet That's a difference of a height of 50 feet an average story is 10 feet So if you build four story apartments on there, they're going to be as high as a nine-story building What is your comment to that? Um, yet it very much depends on where you're looking at it from absolutely My name is tom brown and this is a question for mr. Rose I believe all of the requirements you have for evaluating projects assume a certain set of standards One of which is not the economic impact of this project. We know that housing doesn't pay for itself It's often off by a factor of three to four That's to say that whatever is developed. We're going to be paying a subsidy for that housing I don't mind paying a subsidy for housing and especially for low-income housing But I want to know the numbers. I want you folks to keep a tab that says, okay This is what we're going to get in fees. This is what we're going to get in 30 years of paying taxes Of them on that property and here's what is going to cost us in public infrastructure As far as I can tell they're not obligated to do anything off site And if you guys have to widen park shanae in park or hill to more lanes We're all going to pay for that. I would like to see an ongoing report on your website with whatever daddy you have To tell us the amount of that subsidy. Thank you My name is jan bolt and i've been a resident of cobblestone at development up on the hill for the last 30 years Raised our family there This area right here Is it doesn't seem to Well, no, I asked him I asked him for this they gave it to me. I mean Let me let me be fair the city gave it to me But right here this area Is where they're going to put the 51 unit vet group in Yeah, you don't see a building there, but that's what they've just told you and that's what the plan indicates My my dad iwo jima sepan bougainville arua four years marines my father-in-law Stolic 17 for a year after being shot down in germany three times. I have a lot of friends that are vets I mean, okay, vietnam vets. I was not one But everybody that i've talked to has told me that vet community homes are Are strife with drug and alcohol problems and counseling problems And they're high crime areas So that's what they want to do is put at the beginning of the development that I live in Instead of somewhere out here where there's no how homes to back up That's a personal thing, but still it's wrong that they would do that in there Just my comment. Thank you My name's steve or work. I live on meadow glenn I have done an informal poll with realtors and I've spoken to anywhere from 12 to 15 Asking about the impact of three-story apartment buildings directly behind properties along meadow glenn hidden valley rolling hills And um, there's a hundred percent consensus the property values will drop 10 to 15 percent If you look out your back window and see a three-story apartment building and I'm wondering if that's going to be Included in I don't know if it would be an environmental impact report, but it's certainly impactful And I'm wondering where and how that might get included into your consideration for the permit process so As part of the environmental process the city does not look at economic impacts on a project by project basis However, when we mentioned those entitlements that the project is subject to one of those is a hillside development permit So it's subject to a public hearing which will be in front of our planning commission And they have to make certain findings on how development is done In concert with the with the hillsides that we have in san aresa Additionally in the environmental impact report. There is a topical area of aesthetics So the the visual impact of the project is also something that's going to be analyzed as part of that eir process Frank agar owner of franklin avenue property for 40 years The agar family first came to the west county in the early 1920s I fought the hanley fire in 1964 the tubs fire was repeated the hanley fire The city set the san aroza city council and sudama county border supervisors lived nothing from previous fires Everyone blames pg knee I have no doubt if the city of san aroza and sudama county are added as defendants and the fire losses They will also be held liable You couldn't evacuate fountain grove You couldn't evacuate fountain grove you won't be able to evacuate shenate It's time for the san aroza city council and sudama county border supervisors to accept their legal liability for current and future fire losses Thank you very much Good evening. I'm jim barnes. I live up on cobblestone by Jan bolt actually Anyway, the my issue is with the loc and what's going to happen with liability as we found with the same developer in the the With the uh, vilacapri matter there's a lawsuit and he's being responsible for it But in or it was being sued for it But in this case when this is developed out Who's going to be left who's going to be liable when we can't get out because we could not get out during the fire And there's there's damages and and deaths and people get injured And um, and there's no developer or anybody to go after because he's going to be long gone and of the llc As i'm sure all of you know, there's no liability. There's nobody left. It's like a corporation There's bankrupt out the corporation. There'll be nobody left And so who's going to be liable and is it going to be ongoing? And hya is the city of santa rosa going to be assured that when something does happen and it will because there's earthquake faults on there That there's that the people that are injured can receive just compensation Hello, i'm teresa wallowick cobblestone community. I'm a retired fire captain sf fd I think you have to address the safety of your community. You cannot keep ignoring it and pretend it doesn't exist Over the years so many fires earthquakes problems And it keeps going on you have to address it. What is happening here? There's no concern about safety here There's no concern about quality of life What i'm seeing is a town of rental buildings Four-story rental buildings one way in one way out You're looking at the same situation shenate was a nightmare. It continues to be a nightmare every day Where the home ownership is who takes responsibility for the deaths of pedestrians motorcyclists Cyclists the county the city the developer no We'll find somebody we'll blame somebody else it'll be like that Where's the home ownership who will bear the burden of additional needs taxpayers not renters Who gets the money the developer who will ask for bond measures that add to our taxes the city There is no plan here. You need to look at it. We're not against development We're against the density of this development I would like to like Mike one last point. I hear the term we are developing 50 of the property You cannot include a preserve as a non-development That is already in there that cannot be used to say we're only developing 50 All right, good evening peter rumble from the santa rosa metro chamber of commerce I'm also a resident of the junior college neighborhood sort of the north end so Certainly not on cobblestone and and some of the surrounding neighborhoods, but fairly close I want to just Say thank you to everybody for coming out and expressing Their their thoughts their opinion their input. It's an incredibly an emotional project I know it from two sides both from the county side as as well as From the chamber side and sitting in the room And I think that All of the comments will be addressed in due course Through the city's planning process And so I don't want to go through and try to talk about each one of those points. They're all meaningful They all Are coming from a place of concern for the community What I will say is I am incredibly appreciative of a developer Who's willing to build housing in santa rosa and in particular housing that is At least 20 for the people who can't afford to buy a home So I would love for my kids and for the next generation to be able to stay in santa rosa And to be able to afford a place to live that isn't necessarily a single family home with a pool in a backyard I think it's perfectly acceptable And desperately needed from an employer perspective as well as for a community health perspective I also very much appreciate that the development is going in on already paved areas and not Going into The preserved spaces So So i'll end it with Just a sense of appreciation both for the housing that's coming in as well as for the community's continued engagement to make the The project as successful as possible My name is craig olson part of the paul and creek per friends of paul and creek preserve And i'm interested to know What's your understanding of the purpose of a preserve And how it is building two miles of trails through it aid the purpose of that preserve. This is a question for you The intention of the trails is to create usable space in those areas and and additionally We're we're staying within where trails have already been cut through Purpose of the preserve I'm I'm sorry. I can I can look it up real quick, but you seem That's a basic part of building a huge project next to a preserve is to actually understand It's actually an important part of building a huge project next to a Fragile Precious preserve in the middle of a town to build 867 units next to it You I would expect you to understand a preserve is and to work hard to mitigate the effect on it Which would include not building trails we We very much look forward to working with you and and furthering that goal. Absolutely Good evening. My name is Natalie Balfour and I have been a resident of Sonoma County for The majority of my life I moved away to go to college and Even though I wanted to move back to Sonoma County. I was unable to until my parents were able to help me out I realized looking around the room that I represent A population that's not really here right now So I'm probably going to get some booze and definitely no clapping but maybe I represent the children and grandchildren of the people here and I just want to say that I am hopeful that the community that I was raised in Can be open-minded and open armed and Accepting of people who want to move here instead of closed-minded Um, my question is will this development increase the availability for housing for people under ages 35 and under thanks Yeah, I mean that's again because of the lack of affordable housing and the lack of rental units available in this It's the less established. It's the checkers and baggers At all of us who they're having a heck of a time finding finding a workforce. Um, it's it's our teachers It's it's just it's everybody that provides the services for for our city and they're unfortunately being priced out. Uh, that was a major Part of our decision-making and creating this housing Good evening. I'm mark crueb with burbank housing I've over the years I've been involved with a lot of community processes and neighborhood meetings and I'm here to tell you that they always improve projects So I just want to thank everyone for coming out. It's a long evening and appreciate the input As comrade comron said earlier burbank Is is slated to help with the affordable housing aspects of this project and we're very happy to do that We want to applaud the proposal for Setting aside 20 of the units for very low-income families Comron mentioned what those rent levels would be around $900 per month What he didn't mention was the incomes to go with that and that's a family of four of up to about 45,000 So those apartments would be targeting that That group of people who are really desperately in need of affordable housing I think probably everyone would agree that before the fires hit We already had an acute shortage of market and affordable housing in the county in san aroza And I don't know what comes after the word acute but after the fires. We're really in dire straits So i'm just supportive of the project and really I'm thankful to see a development that will bring some much needed housing to the community. Thank you again Yes, my name is Wow My name is morgan pickering. I live in cobblestone and I think we've heard a lot about Development and the need for more housing. I don't think there's any question that we need more housing Well, one doesn't have to do with the other I think that for the people I like to make one statement and a couple of questions for the people who lost their lives and homes I find it pretty much a disgrace Uh, and uh that this monstrosity could even be put forth here. Um, that's I just I mean, we're talking we're talking about More housing, but at what cost we're going to put people's lives and people's houses in danger as we've just experienced last october I think I think it's just pretty outrageous Uh, two questions. Uh one for the uh for the city You made sort of a Whatever, um, sort of the telling comment in the beginning that And I kind of wonder that all this public comment of what we're going through today Is uh any indication of how much influence that we're going to have on this whole process I think there was a comment in the beginning that we're going to go ahead with this regardless of what you guys think I'm not I just want to know if they're done this mishear that That's question number one and number two. This is directed to the developer This hasn't been brought up yet, but I'd like to uh ask you maybe how you could go Talk about how this whole competitive bid process was under undertaken under a rather clandestine Under the uh under rather clandestine Uh, the parents is uh, there's no transparency at all Well, we had one other bid that fell by the wayside rather quickly And also I have a very I'm the comments by the supervisor zane. I just find really obnoxious how she can accuse people You know Okay, I'm I'm wrapping it up But anyway, uh, how she could accuse uh, all of us that are impacted the most of nimby is in my find really Really outrageous considering she lives very comfortably in mcdonald area So but again my question to the developer how if you could go over how this process of the bid was uh How this whole thing went through since there was no transparency very little public input at all and also from the city Just what influence we're going to have after all of this great talk we've had tonight and feel good What influence are we really going to have on your decisions? Thank you So I think the comment that that you heard earlier was uh bill said we as a city are obliged when An applicant puts forward a proposal. We take it in for consideration Um, uh, as we talked about at the beginning. This is a very public process. There's the environmental review track There's also the public review track So there's there's meetings that will be in front of our design review board our planning commission and our city council Each of those as was mentioned is a public hearing So we're open for input all the comments that we received tonight are being made part of this project file Um, and our decision makers will at the end of the day consider whether this is the right fit as it's designed And um, as I mentioned, there's there's three different bodies And they'll be making that determination, but the public input that's the reason we have a public hearing so I'd like to add just one comment So you hear city staff continually referring to the environmental impact report and it's such a comprehensive analysis It includes many of the the areas that we're hearing tonight One of the first steps after the city selects a consultant to prepare that will be what's called a scoping meeting And that will be In addition to the concept design review I mentioned that will likely occur on august 2nd the scoping meeting will be where city staff and the consultants Have a public meeting where we Can take all of the comments all of the concerns Questions and what it will do is inform the analysis So that's the the other meeting that is probably a couple months down the road That I would encourage you all to be on the lookout for Because that's where we will drill down deeper into all of these Topical areas Good evening. My name is hui hanyu and actually I um, I moved to I'm from cobblestone communities And I moved to the cobblestone actually is the last uh gene and um, I I had a very simple just two quick two questions And number one, I think is for I don't think it's the right location for the zoning And uh, it's because I I think if we build that, uh, you know the For for those like a low income family communities I think it is is the best way if uh, it can be walkable to the downtown area uh, because um, you know in the The zoning around this area is more kind of like a suburban Rather than just you know close to the downtown And another main issue is I think is the uh, I think the traffic In shenai, I think is the because I experience is uh, you I mean everyone experience is the You know fine storm, you know, it's the last october. I think it's really scary Because I I experience like because we are in the cobblestone community. We have the only one exit So to me, I think the the main priority things I think the shenai how you can solve the sort of the traffic Because you look at over there, you know, all the communities if something they happen You know another five storm is coming or something. I mean how you can sort out all those traffic because uh shenai now It's just the two way And if we we don't have the many more lanes, I mean at least about two or three lanes And otherwise, I think uh, that would be uh, very Risky, you know, uh, I think there's a main issue Okay, thank you Hello, my name is marie jane marnette. I live in the hillburt hillcrest subdivision. I've lived there for 45 years Um, as many of you have lived in this area and for more than since prior to 1978 You probably have prop 13 taxes and love living in your neighborhood And as for where who's gonna have where the children are going to go down the line You're these homes that you're living in now are probably going to go to your family members Your children your grandchildren for them to do with as they like Um, I suspect that there's more to this whole thing than just getting this place done It first of all, it's devaluing our properties and um We're going to have to move and when we move then you're going to get higher taxes rather than prop 13 taxes from everybody who's here But also my big concern is shenai road Shenai road has been the fire break for two major fires came down Petrified forest road marquess springs if hadn't been for shenai for the fire fire to stop in the fires at shenai Santa Rosa city would not exist today Had the fire across shenai road this last time and I was up there every single night patrolling that fire to make sure what fire didn't come down all the way down parker road because if it did None of us would have our homes today. None of us in this area would have our homes today Our cobblestone and terra linda if the fire across the shenai road were all out of us Santa Rosa city would not exist and two major fires were stopped right in that area in 1964 And again last october This is an ill-conceived plan You're putting these kinds of homes in in the established residential neighborhoods single family homes If you're going to put something in there put some single family homes in there at modest prices that workers can afford Find another place in town, but you're going to have to go markets banks Gas stations beauty salons You're going to have to build everything to support all these new people There's nothing there to support any of them. Can you see all those people going to the safe way down the hill? Or the two gas stations the safe way and and chevron station. You can't get in them now There is no room for more people coming in in this kind of neighborhood You've got to put single family homes in there or nothing the bad idea My name is christine vif and I live on shenai road Right across the street from hidden valley school And I am wondering why we cannot take care of the current speeding problems that we have on shenai right now It's very dangerous and I'm out front quite often if you're not driving 65 miles down the road then you can wave to me and You know our city is We need more monitoring missing out on an awful lot of revenue in tickets you have a 25 mile an hour zone 25 miles an hour you have a red light that is run Quite often and that is a hefty fine and to take it now throw in a couple of uh orange cones and double it So it would be just nice to have An officer there daily even and especially at night. It's a racing zone Dangerous we have um wrecks. I hear screech All the time and smash and I have trouble, you know getting my mail I have to go out to the street and step one foot in there and make sure That i'm there's no cars coming So come on get some more revenue and let's correct this problem before we add to it Thank you Hi, my name is uh jim trap. Nell and I live in the hidden valley neighborhood Kind of I think at the bottom there I had one or two questions one is with the senior housing area I would like some clarification on that because the last thing we need is an even an area even bigger than villacapri to evacuate In reference to villacapri, I wanted to ask the city How comfortable they are dealing with a very powerful man like mr. Gallagher Who tried to scrape villacapri clean before he was supposed to even be in there And who uh incidentally is also being investigated for campaign finance laws By contributing to city council candidates through his employees. So I wonder how the city could comment on their ease of doing business with that kind of a personality And lastly a comment That I don't necessarily disagree with some of the project though. I do think the scope is Hyperbolic and the concept of Apartments in this part of town that are taller than almost any apartment in santa rosa downtown seems a little Off-kilter to me. Thank you Yes. Hi. Thank you for being here So I actually serve at the mental health peer run center that's closing and coming off the hill So My stakeholder group has been tracking the process and progress of this for several years from a from that spot in the circle But what i'm very concerned about is my awareness Both for the last several years and tonight that really none of the stakeholders are being listened to None of the stakeholders are really being invited to participate So not the neighborhood and so it's great that we're all together at this meeting But what I want to ask the city To tell all of us is how are you going to build in a process of actual dialogue in the actual decision making? So that the people who are so profoundly impacted Can actually be part of the conversation in a meaningful way instead of an ostensible way And my concern You know I I can see that you're good people with good hearts And if the folks making these decisions are not elected There's nothing to compel you to listen to the community voices And I feel really worried about that and I would like to ask the city that you make Commitments about these things contractually so that we can feel Assured that the things that the developer is agreeing to that you're actually Going to be able to do that as the economy shifts or whatever happens So please build in space for us in a much more meaningful way. Thank you No answers interesting So I have a brief comment or a brief question One is that the my comment is that 40 for population wise 40 percent of us are living in poverty The percent of of low-income housing in this county is is negligent tiny 20 percent doesn't make up for that 20s percent doesn't begin to make up for that and we'll be very lucky if we get anywhere near that 20 percent as well Historically speaking, it doesn't happen They just pay a fee for each unit. They don't build or they build it somewhere else or something So that's pretty concerning to me In addition, we're subsidizing this project enormously already by the city Selling it for a very minimal price So I think for all that subsidy we deserve answers about public transportation About public services about our environment People are really concerned about The environmental impact of this and I want to ask is does this environmental impact report? Take into account that you're displacing a major environmental service provider For which the city the county and the developer have absolutely no plans Have no have no Guarantee that they're going to find a place for them that they're going to subsidize a move that they're going to do anything Does the environmental impact report taken to consideration that that major service provider that's caring for a critical part of our Ecology the native avian wildlife Isn't going to be cared for Yeah, could we have an answer? Please It's my understanding that the county who owns this property They have entered into this agreement to sell this property and many of those services are county services So at this point and again, the city has not analyzed this in great detail I think that's a question that would be best directed to the county to see where they might be replacing or Relocating those services Okay Well, um, I live up near sycamore avenue, and I'll just keep this quick What can we do to stop the entire project and leave the entire space as it is right now? Would like an answer, please I hope you'll appreciate that I can't give you a direct pathway to stop this project But what I can do is this is a formidable group of people and I just it would encourage you again to stay involved in this process I know you will and that's the best response that I can give to you I live up by On sycamore avenue as well, and I have some specific questions. So How many additional vehicles per day will be on chanate? With the current housing proposal You know assuming that there's at least one car per unit and two cars per multifamily unit Again, I know we kind of already know that's a big number But I was wondering if you guys had specifics on how many We do not but what I can tell you is this that that question will be directly answered in a traffic impact study Um, so even though we know the amount of Units right now you don't have an answer for how many cars Each unit would be irresponsible for me to give a guess. There are so many different types of units there that that my Response is that the traffic study will give that specific information. I simply don't have that information. Okay and um, is the only I can't quite tell from the maps So the only way in and out of the neighborhoods that are proposed is Shinnate you're not going to be using like beaver leeway or any of the other surrounding neighborhoods for traffic That's correct. As is proposed. No, okay, so it's just shinnate. Okay. My name is peter schindler I live in Lomita tights I'm curious as to why You would take this property and think that you're doing people a service Especially people of low income by sticking them up a mountain And not putting them downtown by railroad square or somewhere where there's public transportation trains stores You could build markets. It just it's it it defies my logic of why you think this is a good idea And I'd like you to tell me why this is a good idea Well, we are we're looking for where we can get housing throughout the city as a city That's sort of top priority that we're working on. So in addition to Uh developments in in this area, we're also putting a very strong effort at getting more housing downtown You may have heard where we're taking on an initiative right now. It's is to uh To look at the factors that are the reason that we don't have a lot of housing downtown And so how that plays into the addition of the smart train and also our transit mall So we are looking at opportunities throughout the city where we can get more housing and more affordable housing So you're comfortable ruining all these neighborhoods Sir Right over here on the right side all those houses Sir sir, please Please sir Hi, my name is daisy pasty line. I'm speaking as a resident of santa rosa Um, I am uh, I was born in Sonoma county. I'm 36 years old It doesn't it's not lost on me as I look around this room that I'm quite young compared to this audience And I'm trying to move back to Sonoma county right now and it's incredibly hard to fight to find housing that I can afford And I don't know if this is the right development. I don't know if it's the right location What I do know is that we need more housing in this county We need affordable housing in this county And if all of you are going to stand here and oppose this development I encourage you and challenge you Will you show up when other developments come forward? That are in these appropriate areas and as ferociously support them Because if you won't then in fact you are nimbies And I don't think you are necessarily But I will I will challenge you To prove it by supporting the housing that our generation desperately needs In order to have your children and grandchildren live here My understanding is that this school district has declining enrollment because people have left after the fires and This county as a whole is aging. I've seen it. I've moved back after being gone for 10 years. We need more housing I'm not saying here, but I'm challenging you to support housing and support dense housing On the developable land within our city borders because we need more My question to the city and the county is given that this is a very remote location from the city core What are your plans for potentially putting in some sort of a transportation? Like public transportation a shuttle or a bus that could help get both the low income people who may end up living there And others in the community who may no longer be able to drive soon Getting them in and out of this area because that could help with some of the problems of traffic So the Transportation and traffic element that I mentioned that's part of our environmental analysis If it concludes that additional bus stops are needed bike lanes alternate forms of transportation are required And this project is required to implement those those will become Potentially mitigations or conditions of approval. So that that is a a direct responsibility for the city to analyze as part of this project My name is Nancy lands, and I live in limita heights. I have children that attend hidden valley elementary school They are both very athletic In this city one we do need housing. This is not the right place for 800 units Every day I take my life and my children's lives at risk as I turn left under shenate to take them to school It's way too small of a road to support that The other thing we do need housing. This is the wrong site You also need to consider the fact that the county has now floated the idea of placing one to two thousand units at the current county complex Have you been through that intersection where Pete's coffee is? How many times have you sat there and watched the light turn as you're trying to rush home to get your kids to their next event It's ridiculous. You can't make it wider there without taking out buildings You can't make anything wider through there without a lot of money of taxpayer money And I personally don't want my taxpayer money used to support this man's profit He's going to make 100 million dollars on this profit and I don't want my taxpayer dollars riding the roadway The other way excuse me the other way to attract families and keep them in this town And to bring them here besides jobs and affordable housing and I am a professional property manager So i'm well aware of the professional of the property issues around here Is athletic facilities for youth? I see very little Athletic facilities in this community the boys play baseball a rink and valley little league It's a gorgeous facility The girls are shut off on the same softball fields. I played on in 1974 on the side of rink and valley middle school At any day the school district can take those fields away. This is a perfect opportunity to build some Very high-class wonderful athletic facilities that this community desperately needs to attract families and keep them here Because that's what they need. We're constantly shuttling You could move you could move the steel lane rec center to that site and build the steel lane rec center instead That's much closer to shopping. It's closer to the community hub There are many things you could do with this community and in this area and softball fields and sports fields that traffic comes off commutowers It can help there too But you've got to rethink this project for the benefit of the whole community You cannot solve san rosa's housing crisis in one location Okay, so we're just about out of time. So we're going to take these last four here and then we're going to Go ahead and conclude the evening. However, we will have city staff available for you to We'll stay after so if you have any follow-up questions So we'll take these last four and then we'll move on to the end Hi, I actually work at the bird rescue center. Um, we still are currently on the property for anybody who didn't know We existed Be above my pay grade, but now that I see that some of the other Facilities that were on the property have been worked with and the potential for preserve Is there any particular reason why we weren't considered? No particular reason at all. Um, as I understand it, you're working with the county You know, it's your plan Yes, so It's heartening to see that it's disheartening to see that Clearly some of the other organizations were approached And with the concern about environmental impact and obviously trying to maintain a preserve One organization that is strictly wildlife and a complete nonprofit I'm just wondering if there was any reasoning behind not including us Not at all It was our understanding that the county was working with you guys and finding new a new location Why don't you see me afterwards and we can start a dialogue. Okay Thank you Hi, my name is Julie Collins. I live in limita heights. I've been there since june of 1975 In october, I believe it was 19 No, I believe october of 2016 the county invited the community to the vets building Where the first proposals were made to the public Regarding the shenate village At that time the county leader of that meeting got up and said Tonight we are presenting a dream on behalf of the county. It is our dream and I hope it becomes your dream, too I remember those words specifically because at that time I thought it was a nightmare And the plans that have we've seen Are fulfilling that vision And you were asked something earlier from that point. I forget what the question was But your answer made me feel as if you were reiterating This is the dream moment And now instead of being just as a representative from the county's perspective It's as if you're a representative from what we should expect of our city And this is not what we expect for our city I left that meeting knowing that Along with any of the other meetings that I've attended in 40 years of living here Whether it was the fountain grove parkway the neilson ranch projects on the west side of town that did not benefit those people For the communities they deserved more I knew that That meeting was not just come and have a dream with us It was a fishing expedition So you could know where your next volleys were coming so you could defend your project at the next venture Through the next part of the process I'm feeling that tonight's meeting is the same thing It is a presentation Of the dream And we all know that that's going to change as it goes through the city through all the various Entities we know that But again, it's a fishing expedition And we're not taking the bait And we're not going to go away My hope is that The outpouring of passion from people in the entire city Isn't going to dwindle in the next 18 months 24 months 36 months whatever it takes through the process And I think you've seen tonight that people are adamant in protecting the integrity of this area number one and the greater area of Santa Rosa And that we also work at getting housing for young people. I have three sons in their 40s I'd love to have them all my kids and grandkids near me That we know that's not happening today So I I hope that what you take away from this meeting tonight is that People in this room in this community Want what's best for santa rosa not for our own little neighborhoods as negatively as i'm going to be impacted by this monstrosity I'm not just speaking for myself and my neighborhood I want to stay here for as long as god allows me on this earth Your project might be done and I might be done before that I hope not because I want to see something good happen up there. Thank you Hi, I'm james areyetta from monoceto heights and I sat here for two hours and watched everyone here sort of talk And I figure a lot of people really don't like this project But I think that most of your anger is misconstrued To be honest with you This is just a representative team for the developer and to be honest. He's done a very good job And these are just some city people here But the point of the matter is is that a lot of you are unhappy for various reasons and at the end of the day These guys are going to go home and they're probably not going to care He's going to go home and he's going to say that well I got through that and you guys are probably still going to be upset But the core issue here is that you guys seem to all seem to think That you're not being listened to and I think that's probably true, too So if you guys agree with that I would suggest instead of being angry at these people and giving them a hard time Telling your friends that there's a problem and you're not being listened to until everyone you know And with that go further and start a recall campaign for the entire city council My name is mark selavanoff And I hadn't actually planned to speak tonight I just wanted to come out and be supportive of the community's concerns and hear what the city and the developer We're going to bring to the table I've lived in the hidden valley neighborhood for nearly 20 years We did lose our home in the fire of october 8 and 9 and We were able to find a place off shenate And every day for the last Nearly 20 years. I've driven up and down shenate I've driven up and down parker hill and We talk about doing studies and checking impacts and all of that we all know that Depending on what the intention is reports can say and be Construed to say different things just as someone who drives that road every day so people have mentioned The road cannot handle additional traffic. I don't need to study a report to tell me the road cannot Handle additional traffic My concern is you'll do a study. You put it in the file. It documents what you want to believe The reality is we're also hundreds of houses short in the neighborhood like mine That are sitting empty. I don't know how you do a study with empty lots on a community that I was trying to evacuate that night as many of these people were. I don't know if you were there or you were there It was very scary. It was not a and then every day, but anyway being on that The other concern I had is We saw the city is going through a process. Well, people have talked about the fires and fountain grove As I recall and I didn't come prepared to study this But as I recall in my brain when we approved that that was actually not according to the guidelines within the city rules at the time to put that massive Cut through the natural environment over the top and rape that whole land As a result now the city that we care about has been negatively impacted doctors Business owners leaders people in the community have been disrupted My father passed away of cancer because he could not get the treatment because the doctors lives were upset So i'm telling you when we go and do things that are against the What we know is right in the codes in the cities and the impact There are consequences that are real consequences and it affects human lives in this city It may not affect yours, but it affects us in this city. I'm also a real estate developer I have no problem with developing real estate. I'm trying to develop nine units in Sonoma county to provide for housing I'm not as big as gala her, but that's my effort. I'm sorry it takes so long But this is clearly not appropriate for that location Please come back with an appropriate development. We can all get behind it The city of santa rosa, please we need more affordable housing. There are spots. Let's go five six stories Let's get over that. Let's put it there. Let's put people where they can get the walkability and the services they need It makes sense Let's just be common sense. Thank you I am carol perisic. Um, I live in hidden valley and this is sort of anti climatic But I just wanted to know what you guys Um, are gonna do about water And I'm talking about like water catchment systems and things like that. I know there's some communities in marine county That are for hillside developments. They're requiring homeowners to put in tanks Both for fire suppression and for whatever So I think right now. I mean we're always in a case of being in droughts and things like that So when you have a development like this I'd want to know what the water how how you were going to do something I mean, are you going to put rainwater catchment systems in or what so thank you So I can briefly touch on that We do have what's called a water efficient landscape ordinance here in the city So every new development is subject to it. So a part of this project would be to Uh, to provide how they're addressing storm water. Also, um, it is subject to city fire So so storm water and water supply they're parts of the environmental impact report And it would be a component of this project that goes through the public process And then also it goes through the building permit process. It's reviewed by By city and state fire codes too, so Okay, well, well, thank you everybody again for coming We will have city staff around if you have any follow-up questions You can find them up here at the front. Thank you again