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all for being here you're welcome yeah we thank you all wait just a couple minutes why and a little for the ones who are joining us so we still have five minutes until the time to start this session hello everyone can I share my screen I'm sorry yes hear me yeah yes yes I can hear you thank you of course let me stop sharing and then you can start sorry Anna because I I thought that everyone has already tested so I'm sorry I never mind now I just don't think that's okay yes that's okay yes that's nice thank you thank you so much Anna hi good afternoon to you all who want to are joining us welcome to this fourth day of the open science fair let's wait a few more ready 28 Andre can you recall how many are registered I know around 100 okay so you can wait a few one or two minutes if you all agree you can wait if one or two minutes after the time okay thank you bye hello and welcome we're just about to start I'm just starting with the housekeeping rules and after that maybe you will start for making the announcement of all the speakers so I think I can start so hello and good afternoon hello to everyone and welcome to this fourth day of the open science fair conference I hope you have enjoyed all these days very busy days and today this is a parallel session so this let me talk session a and then I'm just going to pass some slides that maybe you have all all of you have seen this through these days just some housekeeping rules for us to to be on the on the same page when when having this type of session so if you want to present yourself or address some question to the speakers please use the chat to do so or if you want to ask the right question to a speaker please at the end of the session raise your hand or open your microphone and speak directly to the to the speaker so this session will be recorded and we kindly ask you all that during the presentations you have your microphone muted and of course all the presentations and recordings will be available in Zenodo and in YouTube channel the recordings also and in also in Zenodo for social media please use the hashtag always fair 2021 or if you want to identify the the open science fair twitter account please do so and identify as you know your posts and just a kind remark and remind for the open science fair code of conduct that is available in our website the website of the conference and we kindly ask you all to have a look now I think we can start so we will have six presentations and we kindly ask all the speakers to to be strict with the time for each presentation you will have seven minutes and the last minute I will open the microphone and just give a short warning to that we are closing to the end or one minute to to to finish your time so the the first presentation will be will be five data stewards per hundred researchers the development of a post-graduate certificate data steward at the University of Vienna presented by Teresa Calova and after that Irina Dimitro will present open science related transferable skills for early career researchers and then Eleni Macri will present a presentation about an engaged research approach to design an open online course in open science and open innovation for early career researchers and then we'll have Irina who will have Anna I'm sorry we'll have Anna and Irina presenting a building capacity for open science through training for institutional repositories and then Ellen Claire and Lina's best practice for online training and the last but not the least Lothi Pravost will present triple training activities on open science and EOSC so I hope you all enjoy this session and with no further delay I will pass the floor to Teresa Calova to start your presentation thank you all for being here so Teresa the floor is yours thank you thank you pal we'll just try to share my screen um so work can everyone see the slides okay thank you thank you hello everyone my name is Teresa Calova and I'm a project manager in the project fear data Austria at the Vienna University Library and today I want to talk to you about something quite exciting that we've been working on for the past six months and that is the certificate course data steward so today we will have a look at some of the typical tasks of data stewards and the competencies they need in order to perform these tasks and then I will give you some information on regarding the certificate course that we are planning so why do we need education or a dedicated course for data stewards I'm fairly certain that everyone here today is familiar with this quote by Barron Mons that we will need to educate about 500 thousand data stewards in the EU alone in order to support researchers with the growing demand of data intensive research data stewards can support researchers in various ways but the most typical tasks of data stewards are providing support services and designing those services helping researchers handling their data and designing rdm strategies also developing various workflows and policies for institutional rdm they also have a sort of bridging role in that they translate the needs and requirements of researchers to the service to the services to the support services to the IT infrastructure they also develop and deliver training and usually they are quite active in various national and international networks regarding data management so in order to perform these tasks they need various competencies so you can see it's this is just a summary of some of the skills and competencies that data stewards need in order to be successful in their role they need a lot of knowledge and professional competence expertise in regarding rdm data security long-term preservation but also methodological competence and potencies that are needed such as curiosity creativity and empathy as well as willingness to learn new things so the certificate course data steward that we are developing focuses largely on the professional competence and partly also the methodological competence so the vnna university library has been offering another certificate course which is called the data librarian specifically teaching rdm basics to librarians but as the role of data steward requires further knowledge and further skills we have decided to expand the curriculum of the certificate course and also expand the target groups so we have largely been working with the results of the project fair data austria where data stewardship is one of the main topics and also similar further education programs to develop a new curriculum and a part-time training course which can be used to upscale existing staff but also to prepare new stuff for the challenging new roles of data stewards so this is our timeline as i've mentioned we have been working on the preliminary curriculum for the past six months we have also conducted several feedback rounds with experts for data stewardship and rdm training in the form of workshops but also written feedback the plan is now to choose a scientific director for the course and start the formal accreditation process at the university which we will hopefully complete in the winter months so that we can start contacting potential lecturers and trainers and together with them further develop the curriculum so that we can offer the course for the first time next year so the plan is for the course to take two semesters and it is a combination of online and contact classes as well as self-study and the participants will finish the course with a certificate from the University of Vienna which is equivalent to 12 credit points the number of participants will most likely be limited to around 20 people sorry uh so as i said we want to expand the target group of the course so we want to invite researchers phd students but also research support staff from various departments such as it or the library to take part in the course and we when it comes to the prerequisites we want wanted to be as open as possible so that anyone from somebody who has a master's degree as well as a completed apprenticeship together with relevant work experience can take part in the course so um so that we can really um so that various experiences are are kind of mirrored in the course and we can bring together an interesting group of participants so this is the way we want them are planning to build the course that has four modules they are all obligatory modules first two are introductory courses uh on the one hand for uh it's an introduction to rdm data stewardship and open knowledge topics one minute and uh thank you and on the other hand there's the basics of it and data science so these basic uh these basic knowledge and skills will then be further uh delved into detail in module three with uh fair data and the research data lifecycle and um all the knowledge that the participants will acquire through the first three modules will be put into data stewardship practice in module four so uh as I mentioned our next steps are choosing a scientific director completing the formal accreditation process choosing potential lecturers and trainers and together with them further developing and finishing the curriculum so that we can have uh the first round of the course next year so that's uh everything from me for now thank you so much for listening and I'm excited to answer your questions later and please do get in touch thank you thank you so much Teresa and just on time um so any questions you have to address to Teresa please leave them in the chat or comments and uh Teresa will try to answer them or at the end if we still have time we we open uh do openly and exchange opinions and comments if we still have some minutes so thank you and now I pass the floor to Irina Dimitru so Irina you can start sharing a screen thank you hi um hello thank you Paola and Andre I'm Irina and I am here on behalf of a team from URODOC and I will be talking about our work on open science skills for early career researchers so I'll start by introducing URODOC and then by introducing our previous work on transferable skills in general before I go to open science skills and our findings so URODOC as you may know is the European Council of Doctoral Candidates and Junior Researchers it's a federation of national associations of early career researchers from European countries and it's non-profit and volunteer and based in Brussels you can find out more about who you represent and what you do at the website just here and URODOC is actively working to facilitate transition to open science by helping to bring together policymakers and researchers and these efforts take place at all levels of the organization but there is an entirely dedicated working group on open science of which me and some of the other people working on this topic are part of and URODOC also runs a program for open science ambassadors so the open science working group aims to raise awareness about open science initiatives among early career researchers to elaborate recommendations for universities and other institutions and to advocate for changes in research assessment such that they align to the principle of open science and the ambassador course that I mentioned is a course designed to train the researchers in key topics in open science with the goal of them being acting as ambassadors for open science in their own networks and it was initially aimed for the members of the national associations that are part of URODOC but now it's open to everyone interested researchers, policymakers etc so I promise I will tell you about transferable skills first they are becoming a very important topic in the discussion around doctoral training and other training for junior researchers and in recent year it's been recognized that early career researchers face a diverse employment landscape on one side academia cannot offer enough permanent positions for all PhD holders and on the other side skills and competences that are developed through research in academia become increasingly valuable in other sectors such as the private sector or public administration so it means that early career researchers must be capable of easily applying the transferable skills that they have acquired in their training as researchers and they also must be able to make a case that they have acquired these skills so URODOC recognized this paradigmatic shift and in 2018 created a report on transferable skills for early career researchers which produced this matrix of skills organized in nine categories I'm only showing this here don't try to read it to show how many and varied the skills identified in 2018 were and the goal of that research was primarily to help early career researchers with assessing their own skills and then advocating or making a case to employers that they have these skills but it fit into a greater paradigm of skill assessment which is becoming increasingly important and there were 66 skills identified in this report and organized in these nine categories and we could tell even back then that open open science in particular give rise to a specific set of skills so we decided to work specifically on open science and open science skills and we see our workers fitting into a larger picture competences which is the first key step for the european commission towards addressing precarity and reducing brain drain so we see our work contributing towards this the method that we chose for looking for open science skills because we had to look for them from scratch to some extent was that we took two courses the foster a course and the open science mock course and we looked at their learning outcomes and extracted skills from them which we then organized in accordance with we used the definition of skills that we have used in the earlier report as well and we extracted skills from these two courses and organized them and these two courses were chosen because of urodox previous involvement with them urodox was involved as a beta tester in these courses and furthermore the foster course is part of the training for open science ambassadors in urodox so it is familiar to everyone we five of us worked on this extraction of skills independently and then we compared and refined and corrected our list of skills we then organized the skills according to esco and i will make a brief detour to introduce the esco classification of skills and this has three pillars occupations qualifications skills and competences and furthermore within skills we distinguish between knowledge and skills but we are interested in what esco calls general skills one minute which are this eight i will not read them out but is to give you a flavor of the scope and the skills that we have identified fit within this first five categories the skills that we identified as coming from open science fit within this first five categories and we identified 48 skills we i gave here just a small sample so you see this is the course managing and sharing research data we find the skill writing a data management plan and then we see where it fits in the esco classification organizing planning and scheduling work and activities is one of the the skills that um our conclusion was that the skills that we have found from open science contribute are another strong argument in favor of introducing open science training and the fact that we can map the skills easily to the esco definition of skills means that they will be intelligible to potential employers or to actors outside of academia and they would also be that will make it easy for the early career researchers themselves to talk about their skills and here we have some future plans we'll revise our report according to a new classification that esco is introducing this year and we also intend to recommend open science courses to encourage open science training into the activity of institutions um this is what you have been working for and this is what our plans are thank you very much for your attention and thank you to the organizers thank you thank you no thank you so much Irina now we pass on to Eleni Makri um Eleni an engaged research approach to design and open online course in open science and open innovation for early career researchers so thank you all uh oh let me first kindly ask you whether you are able to i've shared my screen whether you are able to see my yes yes yes okay thank you so uh thank you all um on behalf of uh opening doors if you funded program and the swaths grant agreements launched in February 2021 and pleased to present a national of our engaged research approach to design an open online educational course in open science and open innovation for early career researchers our project is led by Denise McGrath assistant professor at university college tablin including esteemed colleagues from a ucd ireland cheff republic and and danmark the overall purpose of our project was used to co-design and online in the disciplinary intersectional or international educational course and open science and open innovation for phd graduates and postdoctoral researchers including support tool for phd supervisors aimed to save more innovative socially aware integrative and employer phd and postdoctoral researchers our against research approach was followed as far as conceptualization deployment and learning outcomes of the project's concern as we are all aware of it encompasses the different ways that researchers meaningfully interact with various stakeholders in any or all stages of a research process from issue formulation to co-creation of new knowledge and dissemination and engaged research approach were important for our project open science open innovation relatively new and broad terms necessary to understand the meaning in diverse audiences cross-culturing our goal was to design for phd and postdoctoral students and employers in open innovation networks and education institutions our course and this means diverse needs and knowledge contributions requiring an engaged research approach why so important also a key element for open science involving sharing goals that's within different entrances considering ethical equity and power smaller voices for phd students and facilitating minimum dialogue the focus principles of go design also involved sharing power prioritizing relationships using participatory methods and bidding capacity across all stages of our project research and also deployment and dissemination our broad three engaged research strategies use stakeholder interviews across three countries world Ireland, Germany, the Czech Republic world cafe co-design event and also followed by industry check as an iterative process of design and validation collaborate for phd docs educators or within and between industry stakeholders involving phd employers as well the important issues for cross-nation stakeholder engagement the interview guides non-academic settings as a standard target group for phd especially in Dermanc not the same in Ireland the Czech Republic language translation and analysis our engaged approach in our online course research data collection the interviews with various stakeholders employers and phd educators across the countries industry check and world cafe event the stakeholder interviews 35 overall 18 with employers with phd graduates and also with phd educators the challenge is encountered with analysis the diverse expect perspectives between stakeholders countries how to synthesize these into learning outcomes for the training course the generic learning outcomes reads collaborative and interdisciplinary research practical applicability of it realizing the value of involving the wider public in research the use of open science approaches values and tools and career planning the work cafe event including also many stakeholders and groups across different break out rooms and based on the topic from the interviews we came up with the four actually kind of transferable and transversal skills related skills mentioned the process evaluation of work cafe dynamics triggering reflection dialogue of course language and background issues but rephrasing summarizing the essential lead leads to collaborative knowledge construction google drives a dog's collaborative of taking and facilitating attendees motivation and engagement the work cafe learning outcomes uh led to open online course drafted with the proposed course curriculum and learning activities circulated to employers and feedbacker relevance to open science and open innovation interest to check in our lands and change republic involved many kinds of advisory external industry and advisory committee including non-academic employers and we ended up with the final curriculum provided with and gates research approach comprehensive and new and understanding of open science and open innovation related transferable and transversal skills led leading to a flip classroom challenge based connectivist and constructive teaching and learning framework as far as our online educational course expected to be thank you all thank you so much elaine you just finished before the time um so i see the that the chart is being quite active so if you have questions to or comments or suggestions please put them there and uh the speakers are answering to to all your questions so let's move on to the next one to ana and irina i don't pronounce the second names just to not to to give a bad pronunciation so i keep the floor thank you ana thank you just a second yes thank you so much okay uh hello everyone who are members from the members of the repository development team at the university of belgrade computer center in serbia my name is ana georgievic and i'm a librarian and repository manager uh today i will show how the lack of specialized and institutionalized training on open science can be mitigated through training for using and and managing institutional repositories and we will explain why uh basically technical training on on repositories had to be expanded to include various topics and skills related to to open science uh in july 2018 the national open science policy was adopted in serbia and this pushed academic and the research organizations to establish institutional repositories the repository development team at the university of belgrade computer center has played an important a major role in this process and the team provides provides a hosting and software but also training for repository managers and end users and this is done this is actually done by a dedicated team for a user support user support team has to deal with some very serious problems uh the library staff at research institutions is insufficient and naturally for some librarians repositories were an additional burden also there is a huge knowledge gap in serbian librarians are usually not familiar with with the concept of repositories and open science generally and the reason for for that i think that the lack of institutionalized institutionalized training as an illustration let us have a look at the topics covered by formal education and training programs for librarians this blue hand here indicates where they touch upon open science library and information science is studied at the university of belgrade at the bachelor masters and phd levels and the curriculum i have to say that the curriculum is comprehensive and diversified but for now it lags behind behind modern trends also all librarians must pass a librarian licensure examination this is this is traditional librarianship except for a very general introduction into information science then we have certified professional development courses for librarians cover it covers some digital skills but the program is is primarily intended intended for public libraries so our team had to take had to take all this into account when developing the training on repositories once the repository is set up we we provide we provide training for the repository manager the next step is training for researchers initially training was organized in person but last year we had to to translate the whole program into an online environment and i dare say with with great success training is seen as a crucial for infrastructure adoption and that is why the user support team grows at at the same pace as the it team and i now my colleague rena nežić tell you more about core training hello everyone my name is rena nežić i'm also a librarian and the repository manager i myself have been trained by the user support team and i'm a part of that team today our training program relies on train the trainer model we train repository managers who are mainly librarians they later manage repositories and they're supposed to be able to train researchers so based on this one would expect the training to be primarily technical to focus on the repository software metadata workflows unfortunately purely technical training didn't work for us because too many things were unknown to future repository managers in order to manage a repository one has to be familiar with persistent identifiers rdm dissemination of scholar scholarly information through aggregators and search engines etc so this is why we had to broaden the technical part with other topics and this diagram here shows a brief outline of our training programs for researchers and librarians and as you can see many of these topics fall into the area of open science the previous slide shows what we call core or formal part of the training and this is something that goes with the repository itself so during these trainings we talk about everything one needs to know in order to use and manage a repository when users identify a topic they know nothing about or very little about but is relevant to them they know that they can turn to us for additional training and we teach them how to use different tools how to use reference managers how to interpret the information that they gather from Sherpa Romeo website and so on and this is the informal part of the training that we provide and here you can see the most popular topics of the informal part of the training clustered around the concepts covered in the formal part of the training so next slide yeah thank you the skills that we cover in our trainings are here mapped against the scheme of open science skills for library staff and researchers developed by Libre Europe so it is obvious that we significantly contribute to a development of a number of open science skills so with 27 institutional repositories and counting we have trained dozens of librarians hundreds of researchers and some of these librarians have started workshop for researchers on the role so the change is obvious and we strongly believe that this model could successfully bridge the knowledge gap in other environments lacking institutional training on open science what what about other open science skills they're not likely to develop without institutionalized training so we can say that the training model has been efficient so far and we plan to build upon the core part of our training by adding new topics to it and we can also count on a number of repository managers who are ready to get involved in informal part of the training as volunteers we already produced a significant body of training materials but they have to be revised and systematized and finally we also plan to make some steps towards institutionalizing training for open science while the library and information science curriculum is beyond our scope of influence designing a certified professional development course for librarians seems to be a feasible option so please if you have any questions don't hesitate to ask apart from me and my colleague Anne we have our colleagues Milica Shevkusic and Viljana Kosmanovic to answer all of all of your questions thank you very much thank you so much Irina and Anna for your presentation now let's pass on to the next one with Lina's and Helen Claire best practices for online training so keep up on the on the chat that everyone is active so thank you Irina oh I'm sorry did I make it no thanks Linus welcome to this talk on best practices in online training presenting activities from the EOSC Synergy Project my name is Helen Claire from JISC in the UK and I'm presenting with Lina Prinskas from Dance in the Netherlands next slide please Linus first to talk about EOSC Synergy it's a project which involves implementing the European open science cloud at a national level in our consortium partner countries which you can see listed on the slide Synergy is led by CSIC in Spain and is due to finish around this time next year we have activities around building infrastructure and policy alignment as well as developing 10 thematic services covering earth observation, environment, biomedicine and astrophysics and like most projects we have a work package on training which we'll focus on today next slide please one of our main training activities was to build a platform to host and deliver training however we wanted to do something beyond creating a moodle platform although we did do that too our research showed that open science trainers don't just use one platform or tool for training they use several and there weren't always open platforms available for them to choose so we provided some generic open tools for things like document sharing videoconferencing as well as some specific open science related tools such as an instance of Jupiter notebooks an infrastructure manager which can be used to create virtual machines and training accounts and a hackathon as a service the platform's still a work in progress but we'd really like you to take a look and let us know if you're interested in any of the tools in particular the hackathon as a service is ready for testing now next slide please leaders in addition to the platform we'd like to share our approach to developing training content which focuses particularly on sustainability and scalability in two ways firstly our approach right from the start was to focus only on online training and this was before the pandemic started secondly we have a focus on a train the trainer approach so apart from the content and how to actually deliver training the training work package in eosks synergy does not produce any of other training material our role is to support other work packages deliver who deliver the infrastructure and services to create their own training the service teams are often new to training and particularly online training so we've produced a range of material on creating good online content including practical advice and design formats tools and delivery we've been using some of our materials externally as part of data steward training which i think Linus mentioned in the chat and we've also now gathered our advance our advice including forms checklists and real life examples into a practical handbook again it's still a work in progress but we'd really like to take you to take a look to see what you think but also if you're willing to contribute your experiences in terms of what worked online and what didn't please do next slide Linus finally to talk about the content on the platform we already have some tutorials on our technical and thematic services but more will be coming over the coming next year the course we'd like to highlight today is one we created to provide an example of what good online training can look like it also provides some reusable introductory materials and i'll hand over to Linus to show you more thank you very much Helen good afternoon everyone it's a pleasure to be presenting at today's session my name is Linus Shepinskas and i would like to give you an overview of the online course that we developed it's an introductory course on open science eOSC and research data management and the main idea is to give a basic understanding of eOSC and open science to those who work with research data so namely researchers data stewards and trainers to give introduction to key concepts and practical tools to make data fair and also to give a more introduction to research data management and show some of the tools that are available for achieving this so this is we saw some snapshots of the online course it's it consists of eight modules each complemented with a video of a duration of about five six minutes it covers subjects like open science eOSC research data management and also uses examples from specific eOSC synergy thematic services that can be interesting to people involved in this program there are learning activities and resources complementing each of the modules each model lasts about 30 minutes including exercises such as quizzes for instance it's interactive it has some forums where people can ask questions information it's self-paced so one can choose which modules to follow in which order and when and it also has reusable content there are PowerPoint presentations videos scripts full test of the course and so forth so we invite you to have a look at this course we will share the links also in the chat and also all materials are now available in Zenodo including the videos so feel free to reuse thank you so much and if you have any questions please ask them in the chat or get in touch with us via email thank you thank you so much you still have one more minute in the house so if you want to demonstrate anything so no if not we pass to the other and the last one so moving on to Lottie Provost uh triple training activities on open science and EOSC okay hi everyone can you see my screen yes yes okay okay hello thanks for being here today I'm Lottie and I work on the training activities related to open science and the EOSC within the triple project so the triple project is an ongoing horizon 2020 project which was launched in 2019 and its main aim is the development of a multilingual and multi cultural discovery solution for the ssh it will provide the single access point that allows users to explore fine access and reuse materials such as literature data projects but also researcher profiles at a european scale um what else yes the good triple discovery platform will be one of the services operas and it will also be an ssh service of the EOSC now i'd like to tell you a bit more about why we found important to dedicate a full work package to open science and the EOSC integration within the project firstly the EOSC was still under construction when our project when the triple project was designed and there was a clear need among the partners for more knowledge on open science practices and also from improved exchanges and common work towards a shared understanding of the latest european open science developments we also wanted to ensure that the development of the go triple platform would be strongly aligned with the evolving standards of the ecosystem that's why we decided to provide trainings in the form of webinars and to produce adapt and reuse general and specific guidelines with three aims being firstly to provide support to triple members on open science and on the EOSC via adequate training secondly to engage new potential audiences in triples events and finally to produce fair training materials and ensure their reusability by the general public now i'd like to talk to you a bit about the targets of our training sessions because the original intention was to address our events only to consortium members however we realized that some of the topics of the training sessions could actually benefit wider audiences and the scientific community in general that's why we decided to open the training sessions to the community and started designing targeted training sessions so as you can see here you have specific triple trainings which are focused on relevant activities for the triple project so within this category we for example held this year an event on the EOSC onboarding session which was designed to provide assistance to service providers to share services via EOSC with the EOSC portal and also to introduce some of the benefits of the EOSC portal next week on the sorry in two weeks on the 12th of October we'll be holding another event on the EOSC architecture this time and it will be a training session that will provide an overview on the main components of the EOSC architecture and we'll also discuss interoperability issues in the EOSC architecture for example so you can see that these trainings are more specific on the other side we also designed training for the community and they focus on services and solutions so for example we organized a webinar on the open access publishing platform open research Europe in which we explained what it is and how it works we then held a session on the EOSC state of the art and objectives to discuss the latest stages of the EOSC development and also changes in the EOSC governance for example the last session we held was two weeks ago on fair data in social sciences and humanities and we talked about how research data in SSH is defined why are fair principles important for the management of research data and also how can we implement fair principles in the social sciences and humanities all of these trainings were organized in close collaboration with the main research institution in the SSH field and also with the training coordinators community so you can see their logos here on the screen now i'd like to share with you a few results from the activities that we've been carrying out so activities in this work package included training sessions in the form of webinars in close collaboration with research institutions and training communities up to now we've organized this year five training sessions two more on preparation and with a total of 275 participants soon we're having our training resources hosted on Dalia campus which will help us gain more visibility and help interested people find all the training resources in one place and we're also currently working with open air community of practice for training coordinators and the shock trainers community so as to produce a guide guidelines on fair materials based on 10 simple rules finally i'd like to say we've also been working with the ICDI which is the Italian group dedicated to open science and the EOSC and we're also in close contact with the EOSC skills and training work group so as to make sure that our training sessions are aligned i think that will be all for me thank you very much for listening thank you so much Lodi for your quick presentation so i think we had a very good session with a lot of experiences and a lot of ways to address these open science related issues in order to provide assistance and new skills not only for researchers but for support staff and for the data stewards now with some experience from postgraduate courses but apart from that also some experiences from projects to where we see the developing the structures and learning platforms to make available all this training material so i don't know if anyone would like to pose some question i see that the chat is mainly the speakers has addressed everyone so i don't know if anyone would like to open your microphone and share your experience or a comment to any of the presentations you just so sorry it's a timer so if not i think we can close the session i would like to in the name of the organizing committee of the event thank you all for being here and just give you the information about the next session that will happen at let me just check the time at 3 30 we'll have a keynote so i'll leave here the direct link for the plenary session for you and so that you can copy that and on time you can connect with us and to be with us until the rest of the of the event so once more thank you so much to all the speakers and all the the participants that stood with us for at least almost one hour and we'll talk soon so thank you