 Alright, so according to news reports, the lawmakers who believes to be loyal to the immediate past River State Governor and Minister of the Federal Capital Territory in some weekend had signed an impeachment notice against the embattled governor early Monday morning. The development resulted in the deployment of security operatives in the assembly complex and other locations in Port Harcourt. The state capitals partly intention and fear about a possible eruption of violence in the state. So today we're asking, what is the cause of these succession challenges that we're having in River State? Now, please let's hear what you have to say. Remember you can join the conversation, send us an SMS or WhatsApp to do it, 1-803-4663. Dan? Yeah. I don't understand. But I say this one is River State probably because it has been signed in some proven that for every governor that is true, we saw the Wahala-Buhara between Amici and Wiki. Now Wiki, and this was Wiki's anointed. I mean, it was very anointed. Yes, Jehovah, please tell us what it happened. So for me, inasmuch as it's a very hilarious thing for me, but for very obvious reasons. Like, you know, it's me singing as they paint them in the sweetest now. But it's also sad because I'm like, why always us and why is it this kind of news, you know, coming out from our state. And I would naturally feel that, okay, even if it wasn't going to happen, maybe one and a half, two years down the line. Maybe it was the next election cycle. But this is just five months, you know, and they are going to... As a matter of fact, when I saw it on Sunday night, when I saw WhatsApp groups and all of them on Sunday night, I was like, ah, impeachment tomorrow, I'm like, on behalf of them, I was like, this is fake news. Because come on, this guy cannot all the way to... Do you know what it means to the level of impeachment? It's like husband and wife to the level of divorce. Straight. You cannot run the quarter, give or grant, quarter, give or grant till you get. So, lo and behold, that night, like, what's he called? The chamber caught fire. I was still in doubt that no, this is still fake news. So until I was seeing the number plates, I mean the name plates on... I was like, this is really the chamber. And then Monday morning, all the drama that I was going... I was surprised for them. So clearly, from all of the talks going around, as they say where we come from, the witch cried at night, the baby died in the morning. Obviously, somebody's not happy with somebody's style of governance because even for the governor himself to come out to react, it's also funny because this is one governorship candidate as it were. In the history of elections in river states, that did not do one interview. Even to... Second is called Press Club. Because he was handheld. He did not do one interview. As a matter of fact, when they were doing the news coverage at the time, you will watch the major news channels. They will be like the major news platforms like, oh, the social rally happened, social places. This happened, that happened, that happened. Even the governorship candidate spoke. They maybe once or twice, take the clip. And also, the governor said that major exposure you get. So he just thought that there's an election going on. So even a lot of previous people were like, ah, this man, not the talk. This man, not the talk. We don't hear him voice. We don't hear him voice. So I consider that we ask for talk. Now we are hearing shout. You get. Now he's talking. And this is somebody that he was not even among the career politicians that you know in the state. Because approaching 2023, we knew that the second term was running out. So even in PDP, there are people that were saying, oh, it might be this. It might be this. It might be this. It might be this. Yes. He is a very young man that was in the civil service, did very well, rose to become accountant general. The only thing probably, I think that's even the highest, unless maybe the next thing head of service. You know. So he rose to the peak of his career at a very beautiful age of 40 something. I think it's 44 or 45 or there about. You get. He was, you know, handpicked and made governor effortlessly. You get. So it's now a case of, oh, why are you controlling him? Allow the man, be the man. So there are some parts of discussion that are saying, ah, he's ungrateful. If not allow the man to obey the people that put you inside. Another part of the conversation is, oh, why are you this? Because when you look at the appointments that have happened, and it's right there. 70 to 80% of the commissioners there are the commissioners from the last government. The SSG is the SSG of the last government. The chief of staff is worked in the last government. The format is of chief of staff in the last government is a commissioner. And then one or two people, you know, and other platforms I'm hearing from other more senior reverse people that are from 16 commissioners, only one that he brought. The SSG is the one that put him. The so-called leader as it were tells him, because you watch, you see PDP governor's meeting. You see governor's meeting. You don't see our governor. And then today now we are hearing things like, oh, it's because he did not get permission to be going for those things. So done. You're like give the soft heads for soft heads. So done. Even with the bad heads. I'm sorry. I was going to ask two things because there are allegations out there that this new governor, when he came into position of leadership, he picked up some of the projects that Wike had abandoned that was done by Amici. That's one hand. Second question is, is it possible to, because I feel like Wike is trying to build a legal structure where he is out of the leadership of river state at a governor. But he then wants to then put that position where, like a tenable where he is able to, not really control, like determine who is governor next, who is the next person to be the powerhouse of the state. Is that what it's playing out? Okay, so let me start with your first question. Yes, I also heard in the news that this, because I think last week or two weeks ago, I saw it in the news where he, who has governor similar as Fubara, said they are going to do some stuff to revive agriculture. Now, under Amici's government, very key road, health, education, agriculture and tourism. These were very big. And then of course, it did well with security before all these things could happen. Now, from Wike's government, lots of those schools were abandoned. Lots of those health centers were abandoned. The tourism, we didn't have, was Canary from 2008 to 2014. From 2015, there was no Canary if you did. There was the Songhai farms. There was the banana plantation that caught fire mysteriously in 2015, 2016. Lots of, they have, what's it called, the rubber plantation, some other palm oil stuff, rice and all of that. There was nothing that was said about it. So it's just yesterday and today we are hearing that, oh, he wanted to revisit Songhai farms. And this is the only thing I mean, everybody gives it to him. Infrastructure, physical infrastructure, the roads and the flyovers and all of that. As a matter of fact, the 195 billion ring road that was flagged off is something that was designed as far back as 2009 under Amici, the M1 and the M10 roads. So there was supposed to be like a private investment. We were going to toll those roads and all of that. So for some reason, it never came through. We were thinking that, okay, Governor Wiki will come and do it. So I was surprised that, when they flagged off this thing, so he's even aware that this thing is still in the cardboard. So we were wasting our time to do flyovers, because I've never, of all those M10 and B12 flyovers, it's only two or three that are very vital. The artillery flyover and the rumo kuro flyover. Those are the only two and then they want to tank. Those are the only three flyovers that indeed have solved the problem. If not, every other place is still city-expressed. What this ring road would have done would have opened the city. Everybody cannot just choke themselves within two local governments. So Potacot Potacot that you're hearing is two out of 23 local governments. Look at Lagos that we are in. We can't even tell where is the rural area from which, unless maybe it's not to go towards maybe Iberdu or parts of the Kurodu, but that's like two, three, four extremes within 20 local governments that are in Lagos. You understand? So that could be because I know very well that I read that he was saying they are going to do some stuff with agriculture and possibly that will lead the fight. And I'm wondering what's the beef about. And that leads to the answer to the second question that first of all, what we should learn from this is that if you are a governor in Nigeria, if you say one or two people have gotten away with it and they are lucky and they are controlling the system and they are determining who is who, well, that is just one pick out of the pack. It doesn't work because you are working with human means. Let's work with the psychology of where we are coming from, who we are. Those people, I mean, if you came out, you fought a system to be somebody, you think somebody will not just fight a system for him to stand as somebody. So bow out and let the man continue. Because again, even if you want to be, as you put it, a Jagaban system, you are not doing it like a Jagaban system because we immediately left a Jagaban. It was Fashola. Fashola was flying high doing fantastic things. You didn't see any obvious teleguiding of Fashola. And but they came. You didn't see any teleguiding. Sao Paulo is here. Yes, you know that Nigeria is the only country where Godfather is in. It's now a sin. The original phenomenon of being a Godfather, if you follow the Catholic or even the mafia, it's who guides you, who protects you. You see Dubai is a master example of what we would call a Godfather. Because they say master blueprint. Anybody that comes, they just fall in line. It's a good thing. Even in Western worlds, really. Even in every career, you see, go to talk to doctors, talk to lawyers, talk to military people, talk to police people. They have somebody higher. You know that my Godfather be there too. If you are an ASP, and this your Godfather is a CP. If he's moving to an AIG, he's dragging you along. As he's going to AIG, you're moving to DSP. As it's because you're moving this thing. So it comes to politics. It's only your Godfather is the one killing you. What is even really, really, and I would really love for the minister weekend to come out and explain this. Because what exactly is the problem? Because I saw a video when the governor came out and said, what is my crime? What have I done wrong? You understand exactly the people? What crime have I committed? Because for me, right, when I heard that it is about some of these projects you have called they are loadable projects that would expand any economy. If you talk about tourism, you talk about agriculture, you talk about education. I mean, these are master things that every government should be thinking of how to expand. So the fact that you are fighting over projects that were abandoned, that is even what just like I'm weak. I don't even know what to talk again. I think for me, first of all, you need to, I mean, yes, the Godfather is him. Yes, I mean, by virtue of how he got there, yes, he may have felt that he's owed certain things but the truth is, again, we come back to the kind of leaders that were breeding in Nigeria, the kind of the way we understood our psychology really about leadership and I think that's the problem. Our psychology in this part of the world about leadership is being subservient. Do you understand? We don't understand this dynamics between leadership and followership because, I mean, really, the true test of what makes you a fantastic leader. If you're successful, he's actually going to be your successor for you to be able to say, ah, I meant charge this person. As a matter of fact, one of the key selling points of our president today was it not that he made men. Exactly. He made this one. He made this one. He made this one. These are all students of institution. Exactly. So even if you don't know Tinubu, you know fashion, you know fashion, you know embodied, you know environment, you know fire, you know people. And those people could have made others. So from the father that father that our fathers is, father in us. So why are you not making it about it is just me. It is just me. I mean, come on. You know, let's take a break because I would like for us to come back from that break and discuss the succession plan. I keep saying that the biggest problem we have in this part of the world is, you know, we do not understand the concept of leadership. We don't. We don't. Follow us. Yeah. Let's take a break. We'll be right back. All right. Thanks for staying with us in our videos. Cheer and In is our ladies and gentlemen night out. And we're discussing the succession challenges in reverse state. Now please let's hear what you have to say. Remember, you can join this conversation. Send us an SMS. Oh, I have to do it. 1-803-4663. Now our phone line is now open. Please. Turn off the volume of whatever it is that you're going to be calling us from and the number to call is 07025-007749. That's the number to call. Remember to turn off whatever device and keep your contributions, you know, quite brief. I mean, so before we went on the break, right, what D said is just like literally, because I've had this conversation with Samadhyemi, my pastor. I said, see, I don't want you to discuss anything with me. If I'm sitting with you to have an exclusive, I want to discuss succession. Why do we have a failure of succession in Nigeria? Because it seems like with every, look at what is happening in those states. Yeah. Look at, like literally every single time. Why do I have a deputy that I cannot hand over power to? Because that is one angle. First of all, they never want to hand over power to their deputy. So what was the deputy for? A deputy in its real sense is the pastor. For any reason, I am incapacitated and I'm not available. This person can perform in the capacity that I can perform excellently. You'll never see that happen in politics. Then when you then have a situation where you hand hold and pick and all of that, then you start to have problems. The only reason, right, Govno Tinumbu then was successful was because first of all, Fashula was also a smart Govno. Because I remember that after Fashula's first tenure, there was some racco that they wanted to take him out. They now went to address him. This man is making you look good. He's making you look good though. If you take him out, you will end up with a blame. Do you understand? They saw it. But you see with Ambadi, he was able to do that. So Olu of course has done his second term and all of that. But literally, why do we have a succession problem? Why is it that it is impossible for us to just have a structure where people just say, you know what? I mentioned you come and take over the job and look away and just continue to do the work. And now take on the position as a guardian. Or what's he called? A guardian, yes. You have to look at the motif first. The human mind is such that, I mean, the motif of why did I pick you? I mean, there is the politics of it. Yeah, that's the first part. Because I remember, in fact, not everyone remembers, let me make it too narrow. But if you see all the handover that has happened, the handover that has been with Kin, that has been with friends, brothers, as it were, the change is very... You look at Kwan Kwasew as a guardian. You look at Kwan Kwasew as a guardian. You look at Kwan Kwasew as a guardian. You look at Kwan Kwasew as a guardian. You look at Kwan Kwasew and what's his name now? Gandu J. In fact, Kwan Kwasew and Gandu J have been together from the very beginning. There's a picture of maybe what knows when in the 80s or when they were on a bike. Kwan Kwasew was in one riding the bike or sitting in the driver's seat. Gandu J was... So they were like, this guy has really been his deputy. Even when Kwan Kwasew was governor and then he didn't win the second tenure and he became, is he the minister or no, he went to something like that. He put, he made sure Gandu J went to one foreign mission, an embassy or something like that. And immediately he got back the chance to come back and he bought him. Lo and behold, what happened immediately Kwan Kwasew became governor. I mean Gandu J became governor. Kwan Kwasew couldn't enter Kano for a while. You understand? Like how did he do it? Look at Obi and what's his name? Obi-Ano. Obi-Ano, yes. Obi-Ano. When you talk about this is Obi-Ano that we were seeing it there. The videos are there. Peter was holding Obi-Ano by the hand and making Obi-Ano's speech on his behalf. On his behalf. Willy gave me agriculture. Willy gave me here. Willy gave me, he was the Willy standing there. And then lo and behold, Willy gets to power. Willy, Willy, Willy has power. Willy, Willy has power. So, they are first of all, so there is something in fundamentally power. Fundamentally power. Yeah. There is something, you see, that's why I like what you just said. May our loyalty not be tested. Yes, may our loyalty not be tested. Because sometimes, clearly, these things, that's why you can't blame everybody sometimes. Yeah. Because I can tell you that the so-called Godfather, as it were, has told this person, not by assumption, say, guy, when you come into office, this and this, this and this, this and this. You say yes, sir. Yes, sir. So, he goes there because the people are not mad. They won't just wake up and make a demand that they didn't ask for you. So, you put this sign? Yes. No, not even sign that you fuck. You say, yes, master. Yes, sir. I agree. I agree, sir. You understand? Then I said, this is what people say on TV now. I agree. Then you go there. And you're doing. Then by the time you access it, there is something about that. Do you know what it means you're driving, the whole traffic is stopping for you? We don't understand that. You say power is something, okay, absolute power You know what it means you're entering a hall. How many weddings have you gone to? You just enter and find your seat. This one, you're entering a hall. MCP is my ladies and gentlemen. It's like the governor. Everybody stand up. They play national 10 for you. Even though the girl cannot sing it. They sing it for you, however. Do you understand the power and influence that comes with that? Do you know what it means? People that you've looked up to, you've read about the Union of Evil, they are coming to visit you. So, before you know, the human thing that tells you, okay, you go rest. And then, if you now have somebody that is now overbearing, that is now not this, that now begins to tell you, don't go for this meeting. Go for this meeting. Who do you want to see? Show me your device. This one. Anybody that wants something from you, the governor, cannot see you. Go and meet your so-called godfather first. Godfather also cares. Go and meet him. So, it's something that we should learn as a people. So, first of all, as leaders and as followers, the leaders themselves. I mean, you have been privileged to be governor. Every state has over 10 million people. From 1999, or even from 1960 to now, no state has had up to 50 governors in Nigeria. So, you are among the very few that have been number one citizens of this. Your picture is there for life. Children will call your name in current affairs or social studies. So, why don't you leave it there? If it's about some collet, leave them. Let another person collet because I don't think let's just put the cards on the table. The person you leave there, if you are very true as you tell him, take care of these people. See this one? Keep on for me and my pension line be this. Everybody will be happy but when you're now like, go and bath by 5 o'clock, why are you bathing? Come back. I mean, it's just like even having a controlling partner when the picking will come up for your belly. You can't do that to your child. That is quite a state far from here. Didn't you see father and son? You understand? So, as leaders, we must understand that if we find ourselves there, if it's time to bow out, let us hopefully and successfully replicated ourselves in the people and then have some level of security of our own that if we keep them there, they will wash our names. Why are you afraid that they will wash your name? If you know that you did something last time, if you know you did something last time, that's why in Riverside till today, even children born, they will still be telling you about Aphrodite Spiff who was governor in 1966. He was the first governor at 24 years old. Most of his civic center they were all built by Aphrodite Spiff. Aphrodite Spiff is 70 something years we should be this is 2023 July, he turned 80 this year. Wow. But he's still celebrated. Kone Musashi old military still celebrated. It's from 99 everything just started doing anyhow. So if as a leader you are sure that you are doing something well and you keep a lasting legacy I mean for Wiki for goodness sake you move on a this is Wiki what are you now? So if you go and revisit a meeting project let's say we'll say that's the issue so people will now say oh we love this farm we are not traveling on top on top of the fly over again we will dive. Fly? This wasn't changing. So it's a problem. This is such a very important plan because it goes beyond Nigerian politics it even goes into the workplace. Absolutely. You know sorry I think we have a call good evening. Hi thank you for calling. Yeah I am Kim Gopale. Okay hi. Thank you. Thank you. Okay so I have just seen an update so Wiki has spoken actually okay and he said it's a party crisis okay it's a family affair okay that would you let them be? Yeah would you let them be and I will source from business because I think President you know someone there and that they and they embraced and they settled so maybe this guy is correct I have a question that maybe they are giving the balance I have a question so who takes responsibility for the House of Assembly that was born? They put it in the budget that's see I mean we were in a crisis situation and then this kind of but I can I can tell you one thing it's definitely not the end of the story because even if there's a settlement we know they didn't learn left hand for old age and we know the character traits of the dramatist person involved here and we know some of them have this attribute of their friend tomorrow and then and then they leak all your secrets tomorrow the next tomorrow you know so let's even say there's a settlement because you ask yourself what level because what everybody is even asking is okay let's even say oh the boy no lawyer do you know what it means to lead to the point to say let's impeach him you call all the 24 members of our assembly make a move to impeach him you know and then the guy on the other hand is reacting because now well I hope there is peace because the thing is already graduating this afternoon I was getting videos in fact I was on a video call with somebody for over 30 minutes he was moving around old GRE supposed to be like old money quiet money no that was even later so there were pockets of protests around people were camping from government house gate from yesterday to today singing songs go Abu Jai weekend stay for Abu Jai you know and they're like oh if you want to come and kill sim you will come and kill all of us first and then the video announced recently some people going to the official residents speaker to bring down his gate to bring down his gate to attack him my god let's take another caller good evening good evening hi young guy it's been a long time I do I agree with my man I agree too I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do I do is so inadequate. And for me, I've seen all the disappointment that goes to those that think they can't plan something and the person will be lower. So we all understand what's going on. And let us enjoy it again. We will be watching from this side. Anyone who can do will go watch. I don't want to be happy and enjoy what I'm seeing today. But I want to keep on dressing fine. This is why I'm looking so good. My man there giving us the best you can. You know, you're not speaking about sitting down to watch, because how I met you there right now. I put up his pictures of my instance story and I put that song, my life be like... He's preparing for his call to bar next week, in two weeks. He's just sobbing quietly because the truth of the matter is this is karma, this is history repeating itself again. If you see my example, you'll just be seeing all the updates there. As in 2013, 5 tried to impede over 27. In 2023, 8 is trying to impede because 8 now have a new speaker and all of that. And there are certain things that you do in a relationship that the glass will not break when it starts cracked. And one more, everything can split because two things have happened now. Because this there are also heart broken. So when I saw that Edison here, Edison is very close to some other people. Let me not mention their names since they are not main actors. When I heard that these ones are with Edison, and then I now saw that they were on the other side like Edison main man, when all of them in the day club together now, see what in politics don't do. So let's say they settle. It can never remain the same. And then do you know what happened at the end of the day? It is rivers people that are suffering. Because 2013, 2014, if you remember very well, Potacot Airport was one of the worst airports in the world. Being at that time, there was a massive renovation of all the airports in Nigeria. But because there was a disagreement with the then governor, they ignored the airport. And we suffered from it. People were using the airport, entering on that canopi. And foreign airlines were landing on that airport. Now, if what we are hearing that OK, oh, he wanted to revisit those abandoned projects at this and that. So let's assume that two things that will come up from this settlement, let him be, let him do his thing. Fine. But what is one of the provisions of this settlement is born those, ignore those. It cannot work. So the people who are supposed to benefit from those things are now still kept in the dark for nothing. So I think what should happen is when people are fighting, remember that you are not there because you are there. It's not about you. It's about the people. Let's quickly take comments. So this one is the evening, ladies. Succession challenges is the bane of poor leadership in Nigeria since independence. The true marker of the great leader is the quality of succession and legacies that stand the test of time. Unfortunately, in Nigeria, politics now is a lifelong career for these politicians. The truth is, most if not all of them can't survive outside free government money. Hence the constant quest to find ways to continue having access to a commonwealth long after they have left power. It's a big shame. This is from Nii Omole in Lagos. Okay, so another one says, good evening, ladies, on quiet firing. I've experienced a few... No quiet firing. That was I think yesterday. Yesterday. Go ahead. The first one. Your guest is speaking the ideal in a sane country. Okay, so I mean, literally, right? Thank you so much Dan. I like that song. My life is like... What do you mean? What do you mean poison? It's not that possible. You want water? Red Bull. Because we saw this coming. But it's just that, even for those who like it to happen, it came too early. No, now calm down. And it don't crack because it will happen again. We did a certain things. The state has a plane. We see the usage of the plane. I mean, in the history of FCT ministers, we are seeing a president of FCT. You see a flag on the KFC 001. We'll get a problem. Enjoy the power finale. That's fine. But we are reverse people we know. And they are saying this that look at the number of youths on the road on a working Monday morning. So we reverse, we reverse a command. No meaningful employment. If there were places that these young men and women were working, we will have time to command for all these things. So there are a lot of stuff we need to do in that state. We keep saying every day state has potential. When will this potential move? And then we see that there is a certain movement and this is happening. And so I just hope that this whole episode, I don't know how it will move. But I'm sure one way or the other, it will rattle the box and lead to the proper development of reverse state and bring it to where it ought to be. Amen to that. On that note, amen to that. See that we had the best person. Thank you so much Dan. And he was at shopnotes. You always come through for us. Thank you so much. Amazing God. Before we go, Aisha, thank you ladies. Before we go, Aisha, if you follow us across all our social media, hand us our way through Africa, internet, interact with us further, drop your comment. And most importantly, follow our engagement on social media likes and invite your family and friends to watch and follow the conversation. If you missed our quote from Chief Edwin Clark, it says, We are not in a barbaric state where people can do whatever they like. We are in a democracy and the turn of constitutional democracy must be held by all. We'll see you live tomorrow at 8 p.m. Hopefully we're not discussing reverse state. We have another great conversation to you. It's a great job.