 But then there are times when that is most helpful, you know? Like when you see somebody is clearly feeling real sad maybe in a group and standing off from the group or something and you feel drawn to go over and see if there's something you can... You have to know. You have to be anchored at the point where you know everything's okay. And then whatever the words, I mean the words may or may not... The words may almost be like an icebreaker or a lead-in to something. But it's like the whole point is being anchored in that it's just impossible. It's impossible that the Son of God... Would you accuse yourself of doing the same? As you see your brother, you see yourself, you know? Your brother is sick, you know? If your brother is a sick body then you can't avoid seeing yourself in the same way as a body. You know, if you see your brother as a body, you see yourself as a body. If you think of your brother as a body, you think of yourself as a body. There's no way that it can unmind, unspirit your body. You'll get there someday, you know? As you see him, you will see yourself. As you think of him, you will think of yourself. Never forget this. Even seeing Joni living, you know, it's like I still see that I'm still just saying, well, I'm not going to talk about it. I see it, but I'm not going to talk about it, and that fixes it. And I see that that's not the point either. It's an interpretation, I think. Like with Bill Thudford, you know, he was a psychologist and he went... One time he was asked to go, Jesus wanted to go to a voc rehab or a rehab conference. And part of Bill Thudford's resistance was, and he just could not stand to see broken bodies, you know? Because it reminded him, of course, of what he thought was his own frailty, you know? And literally, you know, that's the thing when we start interpreting behaviors, whether they're limps or coughs or speckles, like some of the AIDS patients that you saw with the lesions and this and that, you know? Whenever we start to make interpretations at all based on that, then we've, in a sense, we've made the error real. And then you try to, what do I do now and how do I put pieces together or do this and that, but it's a perceptual problem. And the more you go into this and really get anchored into the thought system, it has to don on the mind of the unreality of sickness. Whereas I like to say it's absolutely arrogant, you know? So in your mind, really what you're doing when you come to a brother is you're constantly reminding them of their wholeness, you know? You choose, you know, the mind of the healer petitions the mind of the patient, so to speak, he says in here, you know, that, you know, there's another way, you know, that God's son is whole and complete. It's almost like petitioning, but that's at a mind level. Now that's, that's still being anchored and seeing his whole and then whatever is most helpful at a behavioral level, Jesus is literally doing the miracle using the body. There's not a, we don't, we can't literally decide, I should have done this, you know, that's where the doubt comes from. Should I have done this? Should I have done that? Oh, you still think you can do directly, you don't realize that it's just a matter of lining with the right mind or the wrong mind and the behavior automatically follows. You still think, I could have done this, I could have done this, I should do this, you know, you're still playing God, you're still trying to run the miracle, you know? And that means that you still believe, what we've just read here, that the body is autonomous, that I can control my behavior. There is a, there is a separate individual, David, I, and David can... So like, is it like saying, you know, in the example that you used with Matthew, instead of saying, looking back at that and saying, you know, was I helpful to him or did I convey love to him? It was just to look at how you, how you felt, in what were you in your right mind. What was I thinking? My mind was... And if there was doubt, I guess you weren't. Yeah. If there was doubt about, yeah, about, am I doing this right or should I be doing something more? I mean, if there's any doubt, then I guess it can't be the right mind. So that's all there is to know. That's to say, oh, okay, so... And we're in this instance. I wasn't holding, you know, it was like, I let, I let this situation distract me from my intention. In this moment, once again though, you see, we bring it back to this moment. That's where that, that intention, that passion to get clear comes to. I mean, the only way that we will be free of doubt forever is to be absolutely clear of cause and effect, absolutely clear of those thoughts. Have watched our minds so closely, and if not, you know, I'll let that one go, I'll let that go. We've really done that so consistently that our minds become anchored in certain, that really that love is all there is. At that point, you know, the stepping stone is you see everything as love or call for love. But you realize that has to fall away too. So then, how do you, so then Matthew coming in and thinking that the law of falling on his hand caused it to get caught, to hurt him, to make him cry, it's like if I see that it had nothing to do with the law, that wasn't the cause of his being upset. That it was something in his mind that brings something in my mind. I mean, what? Well, if you're still in the analogy of my mind and his mind is that the mind believes that it's guilty and my mind as a teacher of God is to be positive, absolutely certain that the mind is guilty. So he was calling for the witness that he was guilty and if I reinforce that, then I'm reinforcing that he is in fact guilty. In your own mind. If you go to that level of the metaphor, you know. So if I see him in pain, then that's the witness to my mind that pain is positive, pain is real. You've got to believe in pain before you can see it. You see we're back to that idea of being a concept. You can't see it in the world unless you believe it. Well, so there's a way to to have this scenario going on with the whaling and the cutting the skin or whatever, but not proceed any pain because if you dreamed that happened, would there be anything to be upset about? Couldn't that be heard? That's where the uh comes in, like, oh, I feel sorry or pity, you know, is I've been through that too. What I? Crisis been through that? Crisis been through pain? You can identify with pain? No, you know, it's still, I know that that really happens and I feel real bad that you're going through it, you know. It's giving it a reality. It's saying I know it's real and I happen to not be experiencing it right now but you are and I feel for you, you know. I mean that's, that thinking has to be given up. That's not, that doesn't, that's not healing. That's definitely not healing. So in a sense you can be light and not in a sense of crack jokes and or make fun or this or that, but there's, there's sense when something like that happened, it should be still a sense of lightness and joy, which the whole day should be a sense of lightness and joy. Regardless of whether the sun's shining and people are coming over saying, oh, thank you for this and I'm so grateful for this and that, or whether there seems to be wailing children or floods or, or hurricanes or, you know, your house burning down like a solo or, you know, that was a good example of just watching this big mansion burn down in a real detached way and knowing that it was purposeful, you know, seeing that there was a purpose there. For many that was an extreme example, you know, like, oh my gosh, the ego says, that was my house, I don't, you know. But when you're the dreamer of the dream, what, where's the loss involved? Where is the hurt involved? And it's not even a matter about going back and thinking, well, I, I blew it with Matthew or this and that, because you see, that's the past too. It's just a perception that you're thinking, even to conjure up those thoughts as well. What's my purpose right now? I mean, it keeps coming back to what is my intent right now. So then how do you use a situation like that? Well, it's being used, it's talking about it the way it's being talked about, it's symbols being talked about and given a new purpose. And the whole purpose is to give it a new purpose and when, when can that purpose be given? Right now. It's the only time it can ever be given. So words are just symbols, it's like, it's no different. I do find it helpful to use an example like that and turn it through. Yeah. And you can see that you're absolved now is what you've finally come down to, which is the only time you could be absolved or feel guilt is present moment decision. It takes away from this linear sense of, well. I could have done it better. Yeah. It was like with Mandy when she wanted to read or something. And I said, oh well read to me. And she, you can see that first hesitation, but then she sat down and read to me. That was a nice feeling. And I'm sure it was for her too. You know, when I've talked to her before, I think it's really helpful when, you know, there's other people here that she can look to besides. And Matthew too, even just wanting me if he's hurt, you know, I don't, you know, it's like, how do, why am I any different than you or anyone else? It shouldn't be. I mean, for no reason that I could end it better or anything. And I think that's helpful for them to be able to see. So the thing is to see right now that it was offering, even if I didn't see it so clearly at the moment. It seemed to be happening like in the present moment. It's that linear Beverly too. I mean, you know, whenever you go back and you feel personally responsible for what I did or didn't fail to do or so on and so forth, I'm still raising body thoughts, you know, up to the level of mine and seeing myself as a linear person, a linear person in time. You know, that's guilt-inducing. That is denying my capital self. That is denying my spiritual self. I mean, even something like that, regardless of, you know, what was said or done. The miracle literally lists the mind, the mind is watching the dream. And that includes all perceptions of everything that I would ever, the body ever seemed to do or say or, you know, think. Even, you know, even thinking of myself as having judgment thoughts. I haven't got it yet. You know, I'll never get this or that. That's all. Once you're above it, then you just like, ah, instant release. And if we go on here, we'll see. I mean, that's the whole point. The idea that a body can be sick is the central concept in the ego's sound system. This thought gives the body autonomy. Separates it from the mind and keeps the idea of attack in violet. If the body could be sick, a tone that would be impossible. A body that can order a mind to do as it sees fit could merely take the place of God and prove salvation is impossible. Because there's a reversal of cause and effect. If it would actually be possible for a body to order a mind to do anything, then God is, as Nietzsche said, God is dead. God's out of the picture. There isn't a God. There is no God if that's the case. And I'm helpless. I'm the victim of this dream now. It tells me what to do. I have to follow its laws. And I'm a little dream figure that's stuck. I can only do certain things to hold off the inevitable when this world closes.