 Great. Good evening, everyone. We're going to call the liquor board to order. And first up is public comment. This is public comment on anything for the liquor control board. That's not on the agenda. And seeing none. We'll go to approval of the agenda. So just this was where, if you want to amend it to have, um, to do the one main tap and grill, um, like it would be approved, prove the agenda as amended with that included. Tom, you're on mute. Yeah, there we go. I'll move approval of the agenda with the addition of one. Tap and grill. All those in favor. Hi. Hi. Motion carries. Next up is the, um, first class. Third class and outside consumption permits. And, um, So, um, just a question on this. There's, um, outside consumption permits here. But I'm assuming that, um, Um, we're going to move on tonight under the select board agenda. For space for two entities that are in addition to what they've had in prior years. Um, We're approving. What they had in prior years. Um, Because they look to me like in the application for our outside consumption for. Um, Um, So that would lead me to believe there's an amendment coming. Or a change if the board. Agrees. To additional space. Is that right, Trevor? So, yeah, we understood that this will be the renewal for the existing space. And then pen, depending on how that later conversation turns out, it may have to be that there's either a. Um, The, the added space or some sort of amendment to, to the existing one. I don't know if Emory, if I summarize, I think he talked to DLC. So hopefully that's, that's close to the process. It is. And the space for, um, Puyas sandwiches does not include liquor. Correct. No, just a two, two tops. Okay. All right. So, uh, Anybody have any questions on the applications that are before the liquor control. Seeing none. Anybody want to make a motion. I'll move that we approve all the licenses in front of us on this portion of the agenda. I'll second it. All those in favor. Hi. Hi. Motion carries. Motion to adjourn. So moved. Second. All those in favor. Hi. Hi. Motion carries. We now call the regular select board meeting. To order. And first up is public comment. This is comment on anything that's not on the agenda. Robin. Um, just, uh, before we actually go there, Trevor, one of the things that we were working on was to, um, Get the various committees and groups together and have a schedule. So that they had a designated month. To report on what they were doing. Um, And give the board an update. Um, there's some other groups that. We're organizing to come at this time and do. Updates. So we're going to try to get that into kind of an organized fashion. A lot of people thought I had a really good idea. Sounds like. Um, let me finish. I have. I will be as brief as I can folks. Um, the library would like to let you know that, um, we have a personal change. Um, after 22. Wonderful years. Lean Gailey is retiring as our adult services librarian. And Michaela Angert is stepping in. Um, with a continued focus on programming for adults. Um, she comes to us most recently from bear pond books and not Piliar, which is a lovely place to go if you are a book nerd. Um, but also spent about 15 years doing city planning in King, New Hampshire, Germany, and elsewhere. So she has a pretty amazing breadth of experience. Um, we have a ton of planning and programming going on for youth this summer. Um, we received a $3,000. Libraries transforming communities grant. To support community conversations. About how we as a community can best support our youth. And as a part of that, um, the 10th grade social studies classes at, at R UHS will participate in a guided conversation about what they need as youth. And they'll, there will be opportunities for the youth themselves, parents, their caregivers, and other organizations that serve youth to participate in those conversations over the summer. Um, we also received a $3,000. Um, we also received a $1,500 rise Vermont grant. For yoga instruction and equipment for tweens and teens. Um, and we will be the board will has a request on its agenda next week to approve accepting this grant. Um, that pops up later on the agenda here, I think. Um, we also applied with the rec department for $22,730 in summer matters for all grant. Um, addition for additional enrollment and art sections for summer rec pro camps. Um, and dropping camps for tweens and teens at the library. Um, this is also a retroactive request to apply later in the agenda. And our summer reading program for kids through sixth grade is, is in serious planning stages. Um, it was a gigantic success last year. Um, and we are looking forward to the same sort of success this year. So I'm happy to entertain any questions that I might be able to answer. We, you know, we, we, the library is working very hard to serve the community. Um, at all of its different touch points, even though we don't have full opening privileges just yet, you know, because old building ventilation COVID. So. So if there's anything else, anything that you all would like to know about Robin, you want to give a plug for the bookstore? Oh my goodness. Um, please do donate. Yeah. The bookstore, the, the friends of, the, of Kimbell have been doing an amazing job keeping the bookstore open and supporting the library and just doing super, super good work for us. Um, they're, they're, they're doing a great job keeping the library open. They're hours are posted on a sandwich board in front of the library. And I would encourage people to take advantage of it. All kinds of, I donate books down there. Um, all kinds of good stuff comes. It goes in and out of those, that space. So yeah. Yeah, we've, we kind of sucked Janet over from Chandler to, to us. So. See, it's like they sucked me over. All right. We have any questions for the library? Seeing none. Thank you, Robin. You are welcome. Approval of the agenda. Do we have any changes we need, Trevor? Not that I have for you. I'll move the approval of the agenda as stated. Second. All those in favor. All right. Opposed. Motion carries. Consent calendar. So approval of minutes and warrants. Motion to approve consent calendar. Motion. Second. All those in favor. Hi. Opposed. Motion carries. Next up is new business. First up our outdoor requests for dining. And then we'll move on to the, the, um, Cuias sandwiches request. Yep. They approached me shortly after I started and what the request is for is a pair of, uh, two tops. So smaller tables that would fit. Right under the windows in front of the storefront. Um, they'd be in the sidewalk. There'd be plenty of space to meet the ADA clearance requirements. There's been outside seating at that location with prior businesses. Um, and it was sort of the same considerations of maintaining access at all times. So they just want to augment some of their seating capacity. Want those two, two tops, um, directly out in front of the store. Um, And that's the request. I can pull up a map of folks want to see it on a Google map or anything like that. To get a better idea. So these are probably similar to the ones that were there when. Pages ice cream. Was operating out of the front of Ben Franklin. The only problem we had with those was the size of the umbrella that they put on the table kind of came out over the table quite a ways. Um, I just need to make sure they stay in that smaller footprint. I think. Anybody. They didn't mention umbrellas, but I think we can, we can certainly pass that on just in case. Any questions on that one. I have a question training. Um, I saw the email about. Including the town and the insurance. But I didn't see a discussion of that. That's something that we automatically do with everybody or. It is. So they don't get the permit unless we have that first. Correct. Any other questions on that one? If not, anybody want to make a motion on that one. I'll move the approval of the Kayas. Outdoor seating permit. Second. Those in favor. Aye. Aye. Opposed. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed. Stained motion carries. Next up is a request from one main tap and grill. For outdoor dining. And Shane, who is the owner of one main is here. In your package, you had a map. I can pull that up folks for folks real quick. If you just want to see what he's asking for. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And folks see that. Okay. You should see a picture. A hand-drawn picture. Yeah. Just to kind of worry oriented. There's the existing outdoor seating area that's sort of at the bottom of the screen. And then one main sits directly behind it. The sidewalk kind of curves around. All of that area. And then it's hard to see the cursor on the white background, but. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, Is the requested area to augment some of this capacity. And so it's from about, there's a loading zone, um, tow away sign that's currently kind of marks the edge of this, the parking that's on merchants row starts behind it. There's a door to the red line right about where the, the language is that it indicates red line. Um, Um, So this would augment this outdoor seating that's been previously approved. That's over. Oops. On, um, This side right here, that's about a nine by 30 space. I think it's at least what the maps indicate. Um, and it would put this seating area inside of everything inside. I guess was it last year there was some discussion about, um, kind of farther down on main street, trying to augment some of the seating there. But there were some challenges with liquor control, um, given kind of the distance from the restaurant being able to, to see patrons, they would have had to have a monitor. So there were some challenges with, with that space when that was discussed last year. Um, so just to, to reiterate real quickly. Um, this is the, the requested additional. Outside dining in this area and would be, um, subject to an outside consumption permit either amendment. Or a new permit, depending on what DLC requires. So Trevor, how wide is merchants row? I can. Top of my head. I'm not sure, but I'll pull up a separate window here and see if I can at least get like a Google. Measure to give you a sense. In that spot. Some of the discussion last year, wasn't it that we were going to close merchants row during certain hours to allow that to be used by multiple entities versus. Seating people out into merchants row. Traffic still flowing. It was about 20, 26 feet is the rough Google map measure that I've got just kind of going, but there's some shadows and stuff. So give or take. And how close are the cars parked on the right hand side. To this area. They would be, there's one parking space that would almost back up against, um, whatever the seating or barrier area area would be. Um, there's a space right after that no toes or toe ways. Zone sign. Um, that kind of demarcates the, the two areas at least at this moment. They can park on the opposite side too. Correct. Right there. Yeah. One just kind of staggered a little bit. Yeah. I think it's about the same sort of orientation. It looks like it's maybe down a little bit from there. So are we going to construct barriers or anything like that along that line? Yeah. The plan would be to have Jersey back barriers on the outer perimeter facing the traffic. Uh, lane. So I have a problem with that because if somebody who drives big trucks and trucks do go in there. They're not supposed to park on the other side of the street. So I'm a little concerned about putting anything in there in a permanent way. Okay. I think there's a, what is the risk to the town if we allow people to sit right up next to a traveled lane of traffic? Well, the criminal, it's similar to what the Krim had last year. They're just further down. We closed the program. No, we didn't. No, we didn't. So, so what we did for the Krim was because they were further down. They did get concrete between them and the patrons, but the concrete didn't extend beyond the parking spaces. So they weren't in the traveled lane. Right. This is the same here, but I see your concern, Perry. What that was. There are only concern is like, what about turning traffic trying to get in there? Well, I'm just telling you, somebody drives a truck. I tell you, I've swung in there and sometimes people park on the other side of the road. So now you're going to create a bottleneck for traffic. So if you put something there permanently, you know, that's a problem during the daytime hours. You guys can come up with a solution that, you know, in my mind, you can put there during the hours you're open. And yeah, you're known. I don't have a problem with that. So. Okay. Well, but you've got to put something between the people that are seated and traffic all the way around. Right. That's not, it's not just at the entrance. Like. Cause once you get in there, you, and you have to maneuver the wits of vehicles are different too. You put a Prius in there versus. You know, a truck with a flatbed on it. It's a lot different the width you're taking up. And then you've got to maneuver around that. I've gone down through there before and had to. You know, jog one way and jog the other, depending on traffic, you know, car sizes. I'm just. I tell you, I'm just not a fan of this. So I want to go back to revisiting why the liquor control is so important. I told you guys you couldn't do that because Sarah. Was able to do what she did and, you know, her distance from the edge of her storefront to where she put tables was, wasn't that much different. So I'm curious why all of a sudden this has become an issue here because. You know, in my mind, what we tried to create for you guys on the other side. You know, adjacent to the piece that you already had. Was a viable solution. So I want to know what happened when we left. You know, I appreciate what you tried to do, Perry. But this is coming straight from a conversation with Michael Welch, who's our local investigator for DLC. In the Randolph area. And basically because it's out of sight of the restaurant. Visually through the windows because it was in front of Clara Martin versus in front of one main tap and grill. And so it was in front of another storefront, which was visually. Not very, you know, good to be able for us to be able to keep an eye on that space. Plus you had to walk across. The public traveled way to get there. Going across the sidewalk where in the spot that I proposed, it's very visual from all of the big windows on the merchant side. You know, roadside of the restaurant. So it keeps it. Easier to keep an eye on patrons there from inside and outside the restaurant. Yeah. And he didn't say we couldn't use it. He said we had to have a monitor present. To watch people. Going in and out of that area. If alcohol was served over there. Yeah. All the time. Like having a beer garden. You'd have to have somebody at the door. Checking IDs, letting people in and out so that, you know, minors aren't slipping in there when you're not looking because the visual wasn't enough. To satisfy him. With that location. And it could have been his just, just his judgment call. Based on where it is and what our little line of sight was for that particular area. But that's what he told us had to be done. And his comment to me was, why wouldn't you do it on the merchant's row side? And of course, that's what I'm proposing now. Which I've already run it by DLC. And Michael Welch, the lead investigator for this area. And he sees no problem with it in that area. He thinks that's a better spot for it than where it was in front of Claire Martin center. Oh, that's because he's not an AOT guy. That's right. I'm just saying. DLC. Okay. I'm just telling you, I mean, these, these, these two agencies don't work well together. You know, I went through a lot of this stuff last summer, trying to create parklets for everybody. And, you know, there's a lot of hoops to jump through. And I'm just, you know, I would love to have Trevor, maybe follow up with him and see if there's some other workable solution to get you guys on that side of the street because it's going to create less of a traffic problem in my mind. Is, I wonder if, is it possible for us to. Close the sidewalk. Um, during this time. Evening hours when you want to serve. Um, we don't have this, the, the, you know, the problem with the street. No, you have to remain 88 compliant. Right. And you get the entrance to red lion right there, which is elderly folks that need that. Compliant access. Yeah. They wouldn't like it if we did that. No, no, no, no. They would not be our friends if we did that. No. In touching on Perry's point. That's why I angled that area of the outdoor seating to allow more room. Four vehicles making that turn. As I've driven. Many big trucks in my lifetime with trailers. And I know what it's like to try to turn and make that, that corner. And that's why. That depicted area has a 45 degree. Bevel. On that outer slope to allow that extra room. For making that corner. Has anybody done a plan that looks at the traffic movements and what it would take for space for safer barriers. To be around the entire seating. And then how that impacts. The parking areas on merchants row as well as. You know, the safety of all the different users there. I just think we're trying to pack a lot of things. I'm not really comfortable with the town. Making a decision to allow this without protecting the people that are sitting there. But also looking at what that means for. The traffic operations. You know, if we wanted to say at. Like we did last year at a certain hour. Merchants row is closed. And then we didn't close merchants row last year. I lived on merchants row. It was always open. No, but no, we wanted to train. We did. We had this whole conversation about closing it at whatever time it was. Five o'clock. That's a much. Yeah, we were waiting for the. I'd love that. It's a. That to me is a much. It's a. It's a. That to me is a much safer discussion than trying to mix people sitting, having dinner with moving traffic. And. And what not that. Just to me, those don't mix. Well, that's kind of, you know, I mean, if we put a temper, any kind of temporary barrier is not going to. It's not going to be the same as a concrete Jersey barrier there. Well, like she said, if we close the street itself at a certain time. And we can set up our seating like, you know, a removable barricade right across the entire merchants row. No traffic. So let me tell you what the problem was here. Okay. The big problem here was fish, fish or auto. Okay. So Fisher was, you know, we were trying to accommodate them. And so the proposal, you know, went back and forth and about, you know, how to create some outperceiving space for all of you folks, you know, and so now. Okay, we've had a few changes in businesses. We've got a little bit more activity there. I personally would have any problem working out a way to close merchants row at five o'clock to vehicle traffic and then reopen it again at midnight. And you guys then would have the opportunity to put your stuff on the street in those areas that would probably benefit the three of businesses that are currently down there right now. And, you know, I think it would be a great step. You know, I've for the longest time thought merchants row should be pedestrian only. But I agree. But it's, it's, it's, it's a, it's a change that, you know, a lot of people hate change. So we'd have to accommodate Bailey's or, or whatever, Fisher auto parts at this point. Wow, that's going back away. Oh, sorry. They used to own the block. So. Yeah, right. Yeah. Okay. I just dated myself. All right. But anyways, the point is I would be in favor more of trying to figure out how to close merchants row. Five o'clock. And, you know, at least, you know, maybe it's a pilot program. Maybe we just try it for the summer, you know, into the fall. And then, you know, we've got a pedestrian friendly area. Maybe we could attract some food trucks. You know, Hey, to give you guys some competition, but it might become. No, no. I mean, There's no competition. Well, and then on top of that, you know, you might be able to create, you know, on a weekend, you might be able to do, you know, some music stuff there, you know, on a Saturday night or something. I'd love to see that happen. I'm just one member. So we'll let the rest of the way in. I agree with you, Perry. I think I, I mean, it's a stretch, but it should be the two. I mean, I'm assuming they close at five o'clock. They do. They do. Yeah. Yeah. So we want to do a call to call it the little chapel marketplace. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you, Perry. I think I, I mean, it's a stretch, but it should be the church street marketplace, the block long church street marketplace of Randall. If we can make it work for Fisher. And I'm presuming they close at five o'clock. They do. They do. Yeah. Let's toss this back to Trevor to work with folks and see what an arrangement like that might look like. And if it means that we have to review this prior to the June select board meeting. Totally capable of doing that through an email process and ratify it at the June meeting. But. Right now I just don't, I, we have a full agenda. So spending more time trying to get the right answer. Isn't going to happen tonight. And I'd like to move forward. The rest of the agenda. Tim, is that work? Trevor. Okay. Ken and Shane. And. Shane and Josh, can you kind of live with that for a little bit? Yeah. That ends up being the solution. I think that's worth, you know, I mean, I think either doing the barriers, we'd have to do a traffic study. So yeah. I'm not saying it's, it's, I'm not saying it's the solution, but it's certainly something I would love to investigate. And I think the community would actually. Like it. So. Yeah. I think community. I'm seeing, I'm seeing Janet over there in the corner, shaking her head. She's already liking this idea. Well, like I said, I would love. And I, I've always been a proponent for shutting that street down to pedestrian only. So if we could get that from, you know, I guess my only take on it was, you know, like how could we do this? Expeditiously. So that way it's the summer's not over by the time we get an answer on this. Like, I mean, how, how does that timeline work? You just heard, we're willing to consider a solution before the June meeting. I think you got to step back and you got to work with Trevor. Oh, no, that's great. I just, I was just trying to clarify. Yeah. So I think we've beat this one. And I'd like to keep moving on this agenda if we can. Pass that one to you guys to meet. I think Perry's interested in. Participating in some of that. And anybody else who is. I'd be happy to. Participate as well. I think it's a great idea. Great. We have Trevor. Think about how is his operation too. With people living in that area. Yeah. I think that's perfectly appropriate. All right. So next up on the agenda is the credit card processing vendor selection. And authorizing. Yeah, so I, um, This is Cliff, uh, finance director. Um, I spoke with, I solicited quotes, tried to solicit information from five different vendors, only two re actually responded. Um, it's, it's something that's been being looked at. I'll use quotes for looked at for quite a long time. Um, and I offered to try, um, Emory to take the lead on it. Um, I spoke to two of the vendors, municipal pay and, um, government portal.com. Um, The long and short of it is municipal pay has a better fee structure. And they're reporting is, um, More intuitive and easier. From an appearance standpoint. The demo, um, was easier to use and municipal pay also interacts quite well with, um, Heidi's wreck program. I spoke to the wreck director over in bath main who uses wreck dot com and they use municipal pay for their credit card processing. Said it went, went over really well. So, um, I'm recommending that we contact municipal pay and get this thing set up as soon as we can. So Cliff, can you just go over with us how that would work? You know, what are we, what's the percentage of our revenues we would lose? Are we going to allow it for property tax payments or just wreck payments and water. We spotter. Yeah. Good, good questions, Trini. Um, the, the users of the credit card payment program will actually pay the fees. The town will not be out. Any revenue. Um, there's a, um, a dollar 50 minimum fee. Um, or 2.65% of the transaction, um, whichever is greater. So if you do just a small transaction, you're still going to pay the buck 50. Um, municipal pay has told me that. It shows as two transactions. And the user is asked if they're going to pay the buck 50. Um, if they do not authorize the user fee, the payment does not go through. Um, And there's a dollar 50 flat fee for, um, any electronic checks that are done. Um, so the town is not out any of the revenue. Um, we do plan on, um, taking cards at the counter and Heidi will be doing cards. If she needs it at the rink and the pool, um, we will need reader equipment. Um, And that's $190. Um, Per. Um, Device. And so we would do online, but both online and at the window. And in each case, um, the transaction fee would show up as, as a separate transaction to hit the cards. Um, So if we do this, it's the person making the payment, would be responsible for the payment or the fee charged by the credit card company. That's correct. Barry. Thank you. And the fee that they pay is like a percent or something. It's a flat dollar 50 minimum. Or 2.65% of the credit card. And the fee that they pay is like a percent or something. Like a percent or something like that. So it's a flat dollar 50 minimum. Or 2.65% of the transaction. Pat, whichever is greater. Not covered. Okay. So go ahead. So go ahead. Yeah. Those fees go directly to the credit card company. We do not touch them. Right. So the credit card processor. Let's just say, somebody wanted to pay their tax bill. It was $10,000. They would be notified that they're also going to pay $260. Or no points. What would it be? 2.6. 2.65. Yeah. 2.65. Right. Yeah. So, so they would, so they're going to be notified in order to do that, they would pay that fee before that transaction occurred. That's correct. It'll be part of that same transaction. Okay. I just want to make sure because I could see this, you know, escalating into a, well, nobody told me I was going to get charged $265 when they paid my taxes to use my credit card. I've, I have been told by the credit card company that it shows up as part of the authorization that says, yes, I authorized this fee. Okay. As long as you have that paperwork, I don't care how they do it. Yeah. They want to use their credit card. I'm fine with it, but I want to make sure that it's perfectly clear that when they hit the send button, that we have some documentation that says you authorize this because I can see people walking into the office going, you guys charged me $265 on my $10,000 bill here. Okay. So I'm just trying to save you guys some headache and me some phone calls. Yeah. I agree, Perry. It's, it's one of those things of they're going to authorize the transaction for the use of the system. Okay. That is how it's set up. Okay. Well, I'm totally fine with it. Let's do it. I will say that I said as soon as possible, my goal is to have it up and running by the end of summer. And you'll ask, why not? And I'm, I'm sorry to say that I'm going to be out on medical leave for a while. So I'll do it as soon as I can. I'm perfectly fine with that clip as long as it, you know, because I can just, I think everybody's been chomping at the bit for this. So, okay, you can chomp at the bit, but it comes in price. I agree. A bit cost you 2.65. So, Hey, that's their choice as long as the window says, I authorize this transaction. Right. Okay. Question I have on this clip is, if we move forward a little bit, the new return payment policy that we're going to discuss next. If I enter in to make a payment. Do I not get a message back immediately that says, there's a problem with making this charge? I'm not, I'm. I think there's, there's up to a, I want to say it's a. So the credit card will clear in two days. So, and so if it gets returned, it will clear in two days. So, I don't think that would be within that 48 hour period. So I don't have a definitive answer for your training. I know in the case of an E check. An E check will take three days up to three days to clear. And that could conceivably bounce. Okay. All right. It just seems like some of those online things are like instant, but must be theirs is post or a different system. Yeah. Okay. So, you know, I don't have a credit card online. It takes anywhere from 24 to 48 hours from the time I pulled the trigger on the transaction until the time I see it in my bank account. Okay. Any other questions on the credit card. Fender. We're talking about. We're talking about municipal. Okay, good. You know where I'm going, right? Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. This is Heidi. I just want to let you guys know that. For this credit card with my wreck. I did have to sign a disclaimer. That we were not going with another preferred. Credit card company. For portal. And so there are some things that we will not be given with my wreck. So I just want to let you guys know that the credit card is not responsible. So I just want to let you guys know that credit card is not responsible for some of the losses through. The credit card transactions. Well, those losses would only be returned where they didn't clear their card at which point we just wouldn't. We wouldn't allow the services. The only. Challenge I see is the POS payments. So I just want to let you guys know that the credit card is not responsible for some of the losses through. Hot chocolate or something, you know, it's a. Yeah, it's more like. Sometimes the balances are. Are paid twice or double paid. But if we keep track of this, you know. On a daily basis, I think we'll be fine. I'm just letting you know that we did. Have to sign off on this flame or that we're not using a preferred. Gateway. Through my wreck. I just want to let you guys know. What we'll be accepting credit cards. For. Then just like registration for camps and things like that. Are you looking at accepting this for. Like pool fees for the day and those type of things. I'm sorry. I didn't hear that. I have a whiny kid here. Sorry. We've all been there. I guess the, if we look at the policy and know that these credit card transactions can take two, even three days to clear. Accepting them for like day fees to use the pool or purchases of snacks and whatnot. We're going to be. Allowing that activity. That's going to clear. So then what do we do if it doesn't clear. Seems like we might be taking on the burden of staff time. To chase small amounts of money. Yeah. Sorry. I was just going to say, maybe I can get some clarification on in terms of. The approval of the, of the transaction versus the time that it's going to be. Yeah. It seems like you'd want to know that you were going to be. Receiving that revenue. For sure. On things that are an immediate. Exchange. If that makes sense, like the immediate access for the day at the pool or the immediate access for the skating ring for. Those type of things versus, I mean, obviously if you're paying. Registration fees. You know, I don't know if I'm going to get that one out, but. I just don't want to see us have. This burden where now we're having to chase people down for their $5. Because they used a credit card. Is that the way the credit cards work is that the, the vendor gets paid. And then if the. The person made who made the purchase decides that. That there's a problem with that purchase for some reason that they don't have the credit card. And they don't have the credit card and company. And then, you know, go through a process of. Trying to work that out. But in the meanwhile, the. The vendor still gets their money. And they could have it taken back out of them. If. If there was some sort of legitimate gripe, but, but I think that, you know, the. The pair and you will need to go through some sort of a process that is independent of the. Of the, of the vendor, at least, at least at first. I think that's the way that the vendor is going to be. You know, they're going to be chasing anybody down. Well, okay, hold on. My understanding is. If you process that credit card, it's either. Denied or approved instantly. Yeah. That's the way mine work. Okay. I mean, we get them and. You know, somebody charges up some stuff and it's denied. And if it's denied, then there's no charge. And if the credit card company accepts. And we get approval, then they're going to make me whole. The only time you run into a conflict there is if they challenge the charge. Right. Right. Yeah. The question was in response. Cliff said it can take two to three days to clear. But yeah. And I think I need some clarification for you about. The. I think the two days is for money hitting our account. For them processing it. And not necessarily them approving the charge. And so I just need to. Clarify that for purposes of this particular, these particular transactions. So approval or denial is usually instantaneous though. Correct. It's just how much time it takes. Yeah. Yeah. Right. I mean, that's how it works in our account. So, so if I take somebody's check or take somebody's credit card. And it's either approved or denied instantly. If it's denied, we go back and say, okay, great, your card was denied. What do you, what do you got? And then they had to get another card. And then we get approval. Once we got approval, that money is not withdrawn from my account unless they can test the charges. So I think the transaction time where. Let's just say ID sells $10 worth of goods. That's going to go into our account two days later. It's been approved. I doubt that you're going to come back and you're going to backfill you for the 10 bucks. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's very clear. And like with Cliff will work on it after the summer. So he won't jump in right away with, with the, with the pool and stuff, which is kind of nice. I think jumping in the fall and slowly working it way, then we can kind of work out those kinks and the reporting. So I think we'll be fine. Yeah. If we get an immediate notification of whether it's good or not good. There's no risk there. Yeah. And it makes sense if it's like two days later, you find out whether you actually got a charge or not. Then I got a challenge with it, but. Regular credit cards work, then that's great. Yeah. Any other questions. I'm mad or. If not. I'll make the motion that we take the recommendation and use the recommendation and use municipal pay to. Use for paying anything town finances and. Other necessary things from the rec department and whatever else you want to include. I will second. Okay. Make sure that says in whatever else you want to include. Put that on. Okay. So we're going to be more specific. Okay. So water sewer bills. Correct. Yep. Okay. Taxes. Taxes. Recreational. Receipts. Any town receipts. They're perfect. Thank you, Trini, for fixing that for me. You're welcome. Licenses, whatever. Yeah, dog licenses. Absolutely. Okay. Town receipts. She's got the right terminology there. Okay. Perfect. All right. We still have a motion and a second. All those in favor. I. Post. Same motion carries. Return payment item policy. So in conjunction with this, because now we're opening up. Our methodology of receiving payments. The return. It used to be a return check policy. And I have rewarded it to return payment. Pilot return payment item policy. To encompass these things called each X and other ways that they might pay. That they could argue. Well, I didn't, I didn't actually write a check. So you can't hit me with the fee. And so. The, the essence of this is to. Broaden the definition of what a returned item is to include a check. Each act debit card payment, credit card payment. Or any other similar or equivalent means of conveying money or funds from one party to another. And then. Entering in some. Definitions and also. Raising the fee. From $25 associated with it from $25 that we currently charge. For a return check to $35. Just, just to be clear, how would that work with a credit card? We just discussed the fact that the transaction is either approved or declined at the point of sale, if you will. Does this apply to credit card payments that are made on a form and mailed in? I'm not quite clear how credit card payments work here. I'm not sure that I understand your question, Tom. Well. It says here a declined card. Does that mean that. When somebody's card is declined, we're going to hit them with a. I'm not sure how credit cards fit here. I guess is what I'm asking. I'm not sure how credit card payments work here. They're different from a balanced check because they're declined at the point of the transaction or approved. Where does it say the. A declined card. Under background on the action item sheet. It says the return payment item policy deals with, among other things, what happens when a payment. Made isn't completed a bounce check or declined card. It's not a bounce check. It's not a bounce check. It's just trying to put together a quick action sheet. When you think of the credit card policy at this point, leaving it in the policy is protection. If for some reason there is a gap, even if there isn't likely to be one and transactions are instantaneous, this gives us a little bit of protection. If for some reason. Who knows what happens. We've covered all the potential payment options that are out there. That could conceivably fall under this. So yeah, it was, it was a good idea to put it in the policy. And then we could see what it could cover. All right. Yep. And I was reading directly from the policy time. So. Okay. Yeah. You might have somebody who challenges the payment with their credit card company. And it gets. Reversed. And then you got to go back at them to collect it another way. In that case, they should pay the. Additional fee, which is meant to cover your. Your personnel time and. And caught. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Certified mail fee. That sort of thing. Exactly. Okay. I have another question. What if somebody pays their taxes on the last day and the check bounces? Are they delinquent? Or do they get so many days to make the check? I would argue that they're delinquent. Pat. I would too. I'm just, it's not clear. The point of it is, if they, if the check bounces, they haven't made payment. Right. So that's not this policy. That is not this policy. I think that'll come under the delinquent tax policy because they haven't actually paid. I mean, because we would have to reverse the check. That we recorded. That was no good when they wrote it. For whatever reason. And then assess all the penalties and interest and whatever other fees that might have been associated with the delinquent payment. So there's no time at which you can make it good. You're going to be due to penalty. I'm sorry, Pat. I didn't understand all your words. You know, I have 10 days to make the check good or anything like that. Not in this policy. No. So that becomes like a de facto 10 day extension and it renders the deadline kind of. Moot. If you write a bounce check on the day taxes. Right. Bad checks on the last day to keep that money another 10 days. If that's the case, Pat. Yeah. Right. That's why I'm saying that doesn't seem clear. That would be a mighty expensive bounce check. Yep. All right. So when we look at this return payment policy, are there any other questions about that policy? No, no. If not any motions to approve it. Oh, so moved. I'll second. All those in favor. Aye. Aye. Opposed. Abstain. Motion carries. Changing our authorized representative. To the state revolving fund. This is a housekeeping item with the change in town manager. Adolfo had been the authorized rep and training still set up as the alternate. And the authorized rep is the person who is able to submit any of the reimbursement requests, which is how these shrinking water loan funds are set up. So this would just shift that over to me so that as we kind of queue up for the new wells and reservoir project, we've got this all taken care of. And we've got this all taken care of. Well ahead of time. Any concerns with that? Any motions? I'll move to. Change the designation to Trevor Lashwell. Second. All those in favor. Aye. Aye. Motion carries. Beanville road culvert project. Okay. So there's just a couple of things here. One was to revisit the guard rail and to come back to whether or not to go through with the decision to replace the W beam guard rail. That's there. We've got an updated price for that. It's, there was an earlier estimate from the fall that I think was part of the, of the April conversation. That's now about $16,500 just for the rails. I'll just give you a little bit of a brief overview of the, the priorities at this point, that it's prudent to replace that rail for, for safety reasons. Given how it's been used and abused through the years. And some spots worse than others. So this is about ratifying whether or not to ratify that decision to replace the guard rail. Our contractor is, is waiting that decision. And, and it's a good time in the process. There was a question about post spacing. And the other question is, is where, we were envisioned to be, if we want to move to the eight foot. It was a reference in a, an invitation to bid that the town actually put together and digging back to the, the origins of the document itself. Most of the reference seems to be to the six foot three inch. This is how far apart the posts are, which gets into how well it functions in a safety situation. first and then I'll talk a little bit about some of the utility things that have come up as we get ready for road closure and construction. Okay, so for folks that aren't aware six foot three is the standard. So you go against the standard you absorb all the risk of the functionality of the guard rail. We're going away from the engineering specs and the MUT CD. Recommendations, so I would not recommend that we go to the eight foot spacing, because the risk all then lies on the town of how that guard rail functions should somebody hit it. But we also have some damaged W. Down there so we can't just reuse like what was thought the material that's on site. So we did have the district for project manager go look at it. His recommendation is that we not reuse what's there. He believes that it is compromised. So part of our challenges and we do have those documents they are public record now. So, if we choose to reuse it again, all the risk will come back over onto the town. It's an element they've got to pull it all out and put it back in anyway so it's it's just not putting back the old one so it's not sort of an extra task when you when you think of it that way at least it's just the cost for for the materials. I will make a motion to approve the replacement of the W beam guard rail for 16,508 on the beam bill road cover project. Second it. All those in favor. Hi. Opposed stained motion carries. Next up is the ARPA funding and guidelines update. Oh wait, we need an update on the project first Trevor. I was going to say if you want. I know you're going too fast. Good to find the share screen button. So I'm going to just pull up a little print out can folks see that okay. Yep. I'm going to take a quick shot of the project area and there are a couple of utility based things that we're now going to have to work around that we're necessarily fully considered in some of the earlier stages and we're not quite sure if there are cost ramifications and if so what they are they at a minimum will make some of the culvert installation itself a little more challenging just because you can't take the crane and kind of swing it in. You know, it's the rough sort of area where the new culvert will go in next to the old one. And so the first piece is this rectangle here on what sort of the outflow side is what there is just inside the guard rail that's there, buried a few feet down and encased in sort of a concrete box are fiber optic cables and inside of three blocks. So what they've actually got to do is they can't disconnect them or remove them, they're going to have to get in there and this is consolidated communication is the is the owner of these. So what they're going to do is actually excavate this area down to that concrete box they'll bust the box open, take those conduits and essentially strap them together, and then install a pole roughly at either end of this rectangle. And string those those cables across so they'll be up a little bit, you know a little bit farther out of the roadway and up a little bit higher than they would be if they were just kind of hanging there in the roadway. But what it means is that any of the wing walls or other pieces that go in to this side of it because it's going in in segments almost like a caterpillar is one way to think about it. So they've kind of come down, you know, kind of down this way to place pieces so down and around the bank or try to kind of come around and in from under this side in here, and so they've they've figured out that solution this is something they've done another projects, one of the challenges is how steep it is from the road down to the bottom of this bank. And because of that for to meet some of the safety regulations it's not you know just a straight cut they've got a terrace it back so it's a wider opening then you might have if you had less of a slope. There, and so they're working through that that might add a couple of days to the calendar but we've got it sort of factored into that road closure period of time so what we're looking at is road closure, starting on May 24. And that will last until about August 2nd and that seems a little conservative so we might be able to the project goes up goes better than expected it'll also be the first project that does that that I've ever been on, but it's theoretically possible. We can open it up sooner. And so then the other piece to that, you know they can get in and it's a little bit easier to do this fiber optic stuff once the roads already closed so it better enables that. That line up here is roughly what they're able to do originally they thought they'd be able to move that powerful back somewhere over, kind of in this area over here, or they're about so far back which would swing that whole line back and out of the way. But after they've looked at the site considered some of the factors related to what this area down here is tree trimming, they were able to move it about 25 feet which is about what shown give or take. So the pole relocation on this end over here. That's going to occur to as they try to just realign poles in that area. But what it means is that that red line shows about where the power lines and all the other lines on the poles are going to be after they move the pole. The challenge with that is in this area right here on the upstream side. If you think of the caterpillar in the segments they've got to try to figure out how to drop the wing walls or the head walls in the first two or three segments, while being mindful of this wire. If they're live and active serving the businesses that are just up the road and it will seem to be the main four entities impacted. If they can't get as close with the crane and makes it a harder task to get in there so there's some talk about say a Saturday Saturday temporary shutdown of power and to use that time because they can get within 10 feet of the power line that that way with the crane I guess, and it facilitates an easier placement of some of those pieces, and the plan roughly is to start at this downstream and and work back. I'm remembering correctly. So there are some of those variables that are in there they may add to the costs at some point we don't have any door of magnitude or any of that yet, but their elements that will have to be dealt with and worked around. That's sort of the general update, based on what's happened in the last three weeks really when a lot of this is has come to light and some of the planning details have been worked out. Right. It's 22 times in case you're ever quiz each culvert segments. There's your factoid of the day, you can impress and wow people with it. Nice. What's the total what's the total culvert way. I don't have that one that that'll be next month's trivia I'm just I'm okay good. That'll be the next question. No, that's great. How many segments are there. That's just to be a question. Yeah. Good. Well, you keep me updated. No cheating Perry. That's right. No cheating. I happen to know somebody does precast I guess I'll check into that. ARPA funding. Yeah, I just wanted to put this in front of you initially. I think we're still a little little ways away from fully digesting everything that we need to know about the funding that's going to come directly to us but this week the US Treasury Department released its initial guidelines their interim final rule. And then there are the parameters for which the ARPA money can be spent, and they try to make a lot of connections to COVID related impacts when you look at the fact sheet that was in the packet. And so at a minimum what we're talking about is a direct appropriation essentially it'll come through the state to us. Burlington I think it's the only entity that's going to get a direct payment to them from the federal government. We're talking about a little more than $453,000 is that base. The compensation continued about what to do there's about $120 million in county government money that's coming to Vermont with our county government system or lack there of there's been some talk about how to spread that out. So there's some thought that the local totals might at some point end up augmented by some or all of those money. Look today to see if I can find an update and I just didn't see anything new ish on that. The rough timeline is that we've got until 2024 to use these funds. We may see them I found out later today, Cliff. The state has 30 days from when they request the funding to pass it on to recall the non entitlement unit sort of pass it on to pretty much everybody but Burlington. So I'm going to go through that window and Karen Hornet VLCT said that they thought around June 9 would be the date that we might might see that and VLCT is advising that at least at this point, set that money somewhere where it's safe it's set aside where it can't be inadvertently used for some of the prohibited uses, why you sort of learn what the rules do allow and talk about how we're going to use it. And actually that's in there's a few pages long but it goes through some of the categories and I tried to summarize them there like I said they, they want to have them have a direct tie to COVID impacts if possible. So some of the prohibited uses would be to lower tax rates or to put them into, you know, infrastructure or equipment purchases or projects that don't have some sort of direct connection, or some element of any gets water wastewater broadband and there's some projects that that sound like they're going to be eligible to. So this will be evolving there's more guidance coming it sounds like in the next week or two from from the Treasury Department. So even the interim rules we've got. So at this point, it looks like it might be in two payments to 50% payments one one in June and one sort of about six months later. They've tied that to unemployment rates and I just couldn't quite tease out if we're at or a net increase in the unemployment rate of more than 2 percentage points from February 2020. And a quick look I couldn't determine that so if it's more than that we'll get 100% in the one payment, but it's less than that will be the 250% payment so it'll be about 226 27,000 for each of those. So, so the money's coming. We've started, we've got some of the guidelines we can start to think about the what's in the house and the where's. I think it's a little bit along, I think a long way to go before we fully understand some of those parameters, but then the state's having its conversation and there's quite a bit of talk about the different elements. And there are webinars at the LCT is doing. I've got one coming up next week with the National League of Cities is one of the presenters and they've been a good source of information throughout. So I'm planning to attend that and concern that link to anyone else who's interested. That's a really quick thumbnail sketch. It's us that out really well, Trevor thanks I, I happen to be writing about this topic of fair amount for the, for some of the freelance writing that I'm doing and I've been able to discern with that 121 million that's going to the counties is it is going to be allocated by some kind of a population formula, at least at this juncture. Yeah. Yeah, if you just did a straight per capita and applied it by town population that'd be quite a boost in funding from that 453 but yeah. It's going to be to the same I think same guidelines. And there are all other kinds of other pockets of money so even if the direct direct aid isn't something we can put certain users there might be other buckets that are out there that that were something would be eligible. So, how was the 453 determined from our business magazine had a map in its latest issue. And then we can click map for every town in Vermont and it showed what their estimated allocation was, and Randolph's read 450 but I'm just curious. How did they arrive at that figure. How did Congress arrive at that figure. Yeah, I mean, Treasury yeah, I don't know the full methodology. At this point, and I'll the National League of Cities has kept a calendar up all along that pulls from whatever that background formula is I just, I'm not sure what they're basing it on. And how they've sort of split out the entitlement units you know the bigger the Burlington's and end up through the major cities, how they've split them out from from the majority of the smaller places. That's a different formula. Yeah, because of the same or it's a good question I just don't I don't know if Tom, yeah, I've been trying to parse it out. Quick calculations seems to indicate that if that 120 million was allocated per capita we'd be looking at close to $900,000. Yeah. So yeah we could be, you know, that's an area you're on on the 1.3 with. And we'll probably have to get creative and deployment based on the guidelines unless the change would, would, would, is that money going to be subject to the same restrictions that that this other direct money to the towns, the subject to. And that's the presumption that's how I'm reading the interim rule is that it's applicable to all entitlement and non entitlement categories but it would be a good one to verify. Obviously, more flexibility and a broader use of funds is a little bit easier to put in the field. If it's under the same set of guidelines it might be that we have to get pretty creative I think with some of these things. It's a good problem to have. Oh yeah no no complaining here. Just in terms of you know what was on the list, you know of potential needs that could be funded it seems like, you know, our, our, you know, our big area would be water and and wastewater perhaps. The problem with that Larry is it's coming to the town. So the folks that aren't part of the water wastewater district are not going to like that very well. Right but we might not have other places to put it. Well we have personnel. If we had positions that were vacant by, I think it's the first part of March, then hiring people into those positions is eligible. We have a lot of stormwater projects that are on the list. We have revenue replacement. So I believe that goes to any expectations of funding we had where we came in below so if the pool usage was lower than we expected it. Any of our revenue generators from property tax we didn't receive from, you know, whatever. So look at what we expected versus got that's eligible. You know there's, there's a lot of things other than water wastewater broadband. I think we'll look at the full gamut to say, kind of what does this, what does this look like. Yeah, yeah, no that's really interesting that that's that's that's great that we'll be able to access funds to do all those, all those things those will add up to quite a bit. So my take on this is, yeah, well my take is, don't be in a hurry to spend the money. I guarantee you just like PPP, the rules will change as we keep moving forward. Okay, so I'm no hurry. My feeling is, put it in a bank and sit on it for six months and see what happens. But the most flexibility we're going to have is if it's for revenue replacement, or if we use it to fund positions that were vacant on the magic day, because I believe we have highway positions we have highway positions position as the assistant Trevor's position, a bunch of those are eligible, and they're eligible for more than a year's salary so you know that gives us the most flexibility with the funds that we would have budgeted that. We can't use it for tax rate. They're pretty clear with that. Absolutely not no. Like I said, you know, let's, I'm interested in sitting around here for a while and wait and see what comes out of this because the rules will change. All right, let's keep the LCT's advice to more or less is to hang on to it for a bit and keep it safe and wait and see what shakes out. Yeah, yeah. All right, water and wastewater allocations. I think I'm going to handle this one for you tonight. Essentially what this one is and Pat being involved with AR, AR, ACDC. That is quite good to get out. The project of the Randolph house, one of the things they want to do is move the, there are some water wastewater lines that currently would kind of cut behind the building on a diagonal. If they put the addition on and didn't move those lines they would cut directly through the addition so one of the things they've got to do is replace them and kind of move them around the outside of it. If they do that the old easement that we have for the old lines would also run right through the addition. So it's a sort of a two part, the allowance to move the lines around where they want to build the addition, and then making sure that we get a new easement. That's about 30 feet and width I think is what the target is that would reflect where the new lines have gone in so that we can access them to make any repairs replacements any of those things. So there's the two pieces, you know, proving the relocation of the sewer main in this case, and then making that contingent on the proper easement documentation which is what the advisory committee did. We had hoped to have the easement language for this, and, but it doesn't, it didn't see that at some point along the way so we're still waiting on that so there's sort of two options which is to approve it to prove the relocation but condition it upon the submission of a satisfactory easement. Really what we're just looking to do is record where it's going to go, or you could hold it until the easements ready but that might have some project impacts based on their schedule. That was part of why I think they were looking to get on to the advisory committee when they did, and then hit this project marker as well should be pretty straightforward I think that the language will look a lot like it. Yeah, it does existing except reflect the new location would get that recorded in the land records, etc, and so forth so those are the pieces there to consider. It looks like Larry's committee approved it. Also, any concerns with us. It seems like a very straightforward as Trevor was saying a very straightforward project. It's really just a matter of getting the easement moved along with the pipe and, and they're going to take care of it all there's not going to be any cost or impact to the town and it seems like a just a, you know, that they need to go through to get this this project moving so the water wastewater committee was quite comfortable with with approving this this request. It sounds like an upgrade to doesn't it. What's there now. Yeah, yeah. Now is that the same area that there was an issue a couple years ago. It was the line that went down over there wasn't it in relation to face Sherman and so forth. I don't know. You got me with that one. I'm wondering if treaty remember that. No face Shermans was upon wasn't in that area. It was at one point there was an issue because he own. Maybe it was more than a few years ago. Maybe, but there was, I think the line that that way and maybe they said the line was in bad shape and we're going to have to replace it. I also want to say I'm on the RACC board. As it as am I so. You guys can't make the motion. I'll make the motion. I'll make the motion to approve the relocation of the sewer main. For RACC. Right contingent upon those little pieces that Trevor just spoke about like. Satisfied. Yeah, yeah, satisfied. Right. Exactly. Satisfied easing the pieces. Okay. Yeah. I think we just got the right language. I'm sure. We got it. We got you. All right. Good. You got me covered. Yeah. I'll second that. Motion and a second. All those in favor. Opposed. Abstain. Motion carries. Staffing needs. Okay. So I just wanted to, I just wanted to. I just wanted to provide a request and. And we just broadened it so we could talk holistically if folks wanted to. The, the original context was related to the part time. Recreation position and whether or not to, to consider moving that from part to full time. And then some of just the broader context. We've touched on a little bit with the ARPA funding where we've got some, some vacancies or some combined positions. And so I just wanted to put it on to kind of queue up a conversation to see where folks are at. What type of information you need. What would be helpful in shaping the conversation and or moving it along. Heidi's on here and can speak more specifically to. To some of the recreation related pieces. And then Cliffs still hanging in there. If there's some sort of broad questions about. Potential financial impacts, but really what we're looking for is some sort of. An initial conversation. About some of these staffing needs in totality. With some specifics to try to figure out what you need to, to continue that conversation, both for, for the near term and the longterm, you know, thinking ahead to fiscal 23 budget and all of that as well. And this is under the context that we're still trying to fill. Like I mentioned, the open positions, the executive assistant, that's also had a zoning component. And so. Having the zoning component embedded with another position is, is part of that longer term staffing conversation. And then we're still working to fill one of the two highway buildings and grounds positions. So if anybody's listening and it's interested in that type of work, you know, give us, give us a holler, but. So we've got a few openings to that have, have. You know, complicated, you know, everybody's wearing more than one hat and doing what they can to. You know what they can for a way. But at some point we'll have to address some of these needs. Either through hiring or, or reimagining or whatever it might be. So we recently brought on our approved the part time position to help in recreation. And then we also changed our highway. And grounds positions because we had excess. We needed resources in the highway during the summertime, but needed resources over on the ground side. And part of that was to help with. Setting up the. The different areas in the rec program. And I'm not sure that we've let that. Play out yet. All right, because we just hired the first of those positions. The second one is. Still looking for the right candidate. What. So. With the position and a half for. Admin. And running the programs. What are the additional needs of the program. That bring it to looking for another halftime position plus. The resources from the grounds department. I think that's you, Heidi. The part time coordinator. Part time. And it's only. Able to be in the afternoon. So a part-time worker has another job. And so balancing two different jobs. And being able to work only at night. So for example. In the ice range. Grounds had another part of full time. And it was shared with water. And so anytime we had a storm. We had nobody to help us plow the ice rink. They got done by two 30. And so that's when we open. And so there's not enough help during the day. And so then my part-time workers who are usually. When ice rink is open or the pool and all that. We couldn't use that time. I mean, and our staff is not trained to plow or stuff like that. So it's really kind of hard to share. Those kind of resources. This year I ended up being the one shoveling all winter long. Because I didn't have a person really to, to help me at all. So not only did I do have to do my admin. And everything, but I also had to shovel. And an ice ice rink. Because. Grounds had a duty for, you know, plowing and all that, which I understand. And then my part-time staff is there working when the ice rink is open. So what you need is somebody that's going to help with the shoveling. And. Prepping work of the ice rink in the winter. In the winter. Yeah, that's, it goes with that. It goes with youth sports, you know, youth basketballs in the winter as well, which is only on the weekends and nights. In the summertime we have, you know, from right now to baseball that I, you know, I was ump in the game. I ran over here to be on the call too. Well at the game, So. So we have a lot of summer in the pool and camps. Which camps start at 7 30 in the morning, they won't end until like someone met six o'clock at night. But you have a variety of temps that come on. Also. Correct. Help with the summer camps and. The ice rink and those things are all. They're all part of the time and out of all of those, I only have really one adult that is not in college. The majority of them are all in college. Well, like 50% college and the rest of them are juniors and seniors in high school. So sometimes like that, I can't have a high school kid closing up the ice rink or a pool when there's money transactions. There's, I mean, on a good day, but we need an adult really to supervise. So is that a matter of who's being selected in the part-time positions or in the summer, you know, in the part-time? You're right, yeah, it's a very hard position. If, you know, for adults, I mean a part-time position is very hard to fill. I've been fortunate to have a part-time, he's a teacher and he's a part-time teacher's appara, and therefore he is available at night and then during the summer, but usually a capable adult in the rec force, you know, in the recreation profession, you know, looking for full-time. It's really hard to find a person, you know, part-time other than kids. Actually, in the part-time work force, we're seeing a lot of parents and whatnot. And so I think that'll open up more when the kids go back to school with folks that are available. But how many employees do you have at any one time? During the winter, I only have like four or five in the ice rink. And there's a few of basketball officials that only work like two or three hours on the Saturday. In the summertime, camp averages about eight to nine counselors. And that's arranged from a manager to lead staff, to kids, I mean, to high school. And in the pool, we have a pool manager and the rest are lifeguards, which are about eight kids. So, well, Heidi, you're validating my reasons for wanting to cover that skating rink with a big tent. There's nothing like skating underneath the stars. I know, I know you keep saying that, but you're telling me you don't have enough people to shovel it. And, you know. Well, if they're shoveling, it's fine. You're just, all you're doing is making my case that that skating rink should be covered for multiple purposes. And, you know, it's not that expensive. So, anyways, I think my thought here is maybe you, I'd like to see you work with Trevor here because I think, you know, if there's more resources that you need to do some of those things, then we have B and G people. I'm not sure where they're gonna utilize, but I'd love Trevor to weigh in on this and figure out how, you know, some of the folks that are, you know, mowing lawns and taking care of cemeteries in the summertime. I'm sure I'd be utilized to do sidewalks, could be more rooted into, maybe we need another full-time person who floats around to do some of this stuff. I'm not opposed to thinking that you need another assistant or a full, or a position here, but I think I'd love to see how Trevor could maybe figure out how to utilize. I mean, because, you know, you're not, we're not gonna pay somebody and a salary to be, and you know, to be an assistant for you that's gonna be down there shoveling. To me, that's like, that's the wrong thing to be paying money for. No, no, but it's like the daily use, the daily work. Like right now I have to prep the pool and it's just because of me right now prepping the pool. So I'm gonna have to go because Harold does not have the manpower. Claude does those things. Then I have to go and pressure wash the entire pool and because I want it ready to be open and there's tons of stuff. That's my point. My point is that, you know, those, to me, that seems like that's not, you know, that's not an assistant that should be doing that stuff. It's more of a, you know, a being ground, a building a grounds person or maybe, you know, a person is maybe three quarters dedicated to the rec department to deal with some of these issues versus, you know, kind of like an executive assistant position. So I'm a little confused about what you need here. So that's why I'm trying to get a little clarity on this. Well, that's what I'm trying to clarify. A person that can do the day-to-day stuff, there's a lot of prep work that happens at the camp, you know, cleaning right now, moving things around. I'm like a moving company, you know, moving from one thing to another. And right now it's just me, you know, I could hire a kid, but it's just kind of organizing camp and opening the pool. And then we have to do that with the ice drink and then close the ice drink. We have to prep for events, you know, where there's tons of stuff that, it does seem like grounds work, but it's also recreation, like right now, prepping the fields for baseball, you know, getting the gym ready with all that stuff. That's all rec stuff. So it's not, unless you know about recreation, about youth sports or specific pool and camp stuff, it's kind of hard to just put some of the in there. So Heidi, this needs to be like, you need a list of tasks, like what has to be done. And then when you're looking at those tasks, if it's prepping the field for baseball, buildings and grounds could do that. Washing the pool to get it ready to open. Buildings and grounds should be doing that. We just went through and went, met with the union and whatnot and got approved these positions that are split so that more resources can in the summertime shift over to help with those type of activities and some of the stuff that Harold needs. And then in the wintertime when more of the road work, winter maintenance is labor-intensive, they can switch over there to help with that side. So I think Perry's right that this needs to go towards better definition of what the duties are that need to be done and then looking at what part of town government should be doing those. Cause you're right, you shouldn't be down there pressure washing, but you've got to give that task list over to buildings and grounds that says, by June 1st, the pool needs to be ready to be opened. And these are the tasks I need somebody to do to be able to open it. And- And I agree, Trini, and it's they don't have the personnel and they're not doing it. And so I don't know how to help them or they don't have the staff, you know? They do have the staff and we've given them the positions and they just hired one person. They got another one that they're about to hire, but I think this comes back. We don't just hire more people because somebody's not doing their job. We go and revisit what those job duties are and what somebody's supposed to be doing and we address poor performance or we address why something's not happening. We don't just hire more staff. No, I agree. And I also, but also it can't happen in the morning at 6 a.m. and then about two. All of our stuff happens, you know, later on in the afternoon. I think the key word here is coordination. And communication. Yeah, I think those are the two words here that I think that, you know, if we need to hire another person, you know, to be in those positions and they're working at building the grounds and they're also helping you, that's why I think it's important to kind of, as Trini said, you know, let's figure out what the tasks are. And, you know, if you have, basically you create a work order and say, I need the pool, claim to buy X date and we need to pass that off to building the grounds. I don't necessarily think that's a recreation department piece, so to speak that because there is a different level of skills required to do some of these things. So in my mind, you know, B and G maybe picks up some of that stuff and you're not focusing so much on that. I think I'd love for Trevor to weigh in on this. I think Heidi's touched on some of it with Harold and his crew is just, we've got sort of three reliably out in the field, so to speak, on any given day and sometimes augmented by that fourth. And right now they're just trying to figure out how to handle the burials after winter and anything that's been scheduled. Keep up with mowing and cemeteries, handle any of some of these other needs. So it's a little bit of, you know, they're spread out as well. But I do think, I do wonder, I should say, if there's that open position that maybe that can be reimagined a little bit to hit some of these needs. It's just been hard to find applicants for whatever reason. It's been a very shallow pool of candidates and so we may have to get creative and go some places, you know, a little more proactively to try to seek out anybody who could handle some of these positions. And maybe we try to fill that open one and see if we can steal that for some of this capacity and talk about schedule and some of those other, keep using the phrase re-imagine it but sort of rethink how that one position shaped a little bit at least for the summer to provide some of that capacity. That fits within the existing budget slot basically. It's just the trick's gonna be finding somebody who can step in and do that sooner than later. Because we're just not seeing candidates for any of the positions we've got open or have advertised. So it's one of those markets. So that's not to say that we can, it's just, that's the stew of factors that goes into it. I'm sorry, Heidi, go ahead. I just wanted to add one thing. And also to have experience with a pool. You know, once Claude retires and he does things certain in his only way but no one in the buildings and grounds other than me that has a certificate of pool operator, that is it. I mean, we have, we fixed, we have spent so much money fixing that pool. And if we don't have qualified people to actually know what to do with that pool or the ice rink, you know, it doesn't help us. But some of that's the communication side. So if we need to send somebody to have them trained on how to do certain things, that's investing in our employees to build that flexibility into them. And the other thing it may be time to look at, Trevor, is up until maybe, I'm gonna guess, but maybe about six years ago, we hired the mowing of the cemeteries done. And that was brought in-house and we made some of the buildings grounds people full-time instead of part-time and got rid of the contractor. We had a lot of problems with the contractor and there was a lot of complaints which led up to that but it may be time to start thinking outside the box that way too, where an employee may not be the answer but contracting some of this work might be the answer. And with that, you might be able to divide up certain places, so maybe you have a crew that takes care of a certain part of it and maybe you sub out the rest of it. So it's certainly not something we're gonna solve tonight but I think it requires a little bit more in-depth discussion and some out-of-the-box thinking to see what we can do to solve all those little problems. And right now, as somebody who needs a lot of labor, you're gonna struggle with that for another six months at least it's just not, there's nobody out there really wants to work. So unfortunately, it doesn't matter. It's gonna take a little while for that to shake it out of the system. Yeah, and I hope that I don't lose the staff that I have, you know, I have capable staff and hopefully that would have been good to be full-time. You know, then let's start over. I hope that works out. I hear you. I know all about losing staff. Let me tell you. So it's just a lot and we'll see how much we survive. Yeah, that's all you can do. So just try to keep them happy and go from there. It sounds like there's some open positions right now in buildings and grounds. Is that one correct? Is that what I'm hearing? It's one combined. Yeah, so one combined. One combined position? Right. Buildings, highway, hybrid. I see, so. Meant to be buildings warmer months, I suppose you think of them in highways, the colder months. They can come over in the winter months too, Larry. The intent with those positions was we had more highway staff than we needed in the off-peak times. And the off-peak time seemed to match really well with when buildings and grounds had peak times. So instead of having staff that stood around and we were trying to make work for them, we kind of changed the job spec, got it through the union. So they were able to bounce back and forth between the two areas on a need basis. That doesn't mean that we don't have somebody in the wintertime that could be plowing for a certain span of time and then over-helping open up the rink, right? So we haven't said they're from day X to Z, they're in buildings and grounds and from Z to Y, they're in highway. It's, the position is written so they can go back and forth according to what the needs are of the two parts of the town. And are there, is there one position that's already doing that? And then there's one that's vacant? Correct. Okay. Just wanted to get clear on what that situation is. Yep. So we also have two, we have the assistant to Trevor and the request to move zoning out of Josh's position to that position was what the original request was. Yeah. I think, you know, some of this we'll try to feel that the hybrid where it's an executive assistant, assistant zoning administrator in the short term and then, but I think long-term there's, there's that. I mean, you may have had this conversation already. It's about whether or not zoning should be embedded in any other officer be a standalone officer. Whether or not zoning should be embedded in any other officer be a standalone regulatory function. And that would let the executive assistant kind of go back to, you know, being the real nerve center in a lot of ways of what we're doing here. So those are key roles that are unfilled in some form right now. Obviously Josh is doing the zoning piece so it's not an unfilled, but it's also, you know, those things that takes a certain amount of time and that's time he's not spent on the tasks or the job that was envisioned for that position. And then it's, you know, just today was a good example of trying to cover this role and cover that one as well. So I've been everywhere from here with you folks to being Bill Rode to submitting Cobra enrollment forms to Cliff brought me 400 excess way permits to work through. And so it's, you know, it's starting to pull much like with Heidi's, you know, had relay to it. You leave some of these things open. It really starts to pull you out a little bit and you do what you can to get through, but those are things we need to try to fill sooner than later, but again, it's, it's, there's been a real dearth of candidates. So I'm going to, you know, try to think creatively and see if we can entice somebody from, from somewhere a little different, you know, sort of try to upsell the job description in a lot of ways. And try to just see if we can see what we can turn over. But, you know, so we're just a little short in a few different areas, some of which are in the budget and some of which we just got to figure out the right people to fill the roles. But, you know, the zoning question is a, I think a longer term one, especially if we can add some, some supplemental capacity in that hybrid position, but a long-term it may make some sense. Again, it'll depend on workload tasks, individuals and where we land. But, you know, a more traditional, I guess, framework when you think of how municipal offices are set up. But, but those, those are out there as well as, as capacity concerns. So zoning, we've never had a workload to fill the entire position. We've never had, there's not enough, excuse me, work there to fill a 40-hour week. Marty's skills when she was here, she was the town engineer, she was the tree warden, she was the sign warden, she did zoning. There was, you know, she had a whole variety of things. And then I think she was only three quarters of a position with all those tasks. So that's kind of why the thought was if you had somebody who could help with some projects and some of the grants and those type of activities to help the town manager, those skills are pretty much the same as what's required to process zoning permits. And that's kind of how we started looking at that being a full-time job. So you could potentially attract somebody because there would be full-time work and benefits and those type of things that went along with it. But I think we've got a couple of, it's kind of two different facets there, but kind of similar work. I would like to add to that. I do think that given the situation and the amount of property that's changed hands in the last year and probably will for the foreseeable future, I'm a little concerned about, you know, the zoning department or Josh becoming overwhelmed with applications for things like purchases and garages and those kinds of things. And I think his workload could increase. And I think it's a, I don't think it's a good use of his time to be dealing with those kinds of things when really I think there's also gonna be opportunities for him to be working on grants and stuff for economic development. So that's my concerns. I think we need to kind of like lessen his role and the amount of hours he's spending dealing with zoning issues right now. And so I'm just hopeful that we can change that relatively soon here. One of the conversations that I thought might be nice to revisit that I guess popped up a couple of years ago and it models a little bit what we've tried in other places I've been is that if say we've got somewhere in that 20 to 24 hour a week zoning capacity, maybe there's a neighboring community that has a similar part-time need and maybe we can cobble together some kind of position that's more attractive to an applicant to better fit sort of what our workload is but the person knows that they've got X number of hours and I don't know, I think it was Braintree and Brookfield maybe were part of that conversation at one point. I don't know if they're still potential partners but we did that in Heinsberg where we took it and shared it with Richmond for a while and Richmond I think now shares it with Huntington which makes some sense given their proximity to share a border. I don't know if there's a model like that that helps as well to get some of that dedicated zoning capacity but sort of reflects that it may not be something that's 40 hours of need each week but that's sort of a longer term. I don't know, that's not one we're gonna sort of fix in the next month or so that might be, take some time to build to that. Right, and there's some seasonality to this. When you get into spring people are starting to think about projects and so I'm sure that the need for zoning administration type conversations are gonna happen a lot more during that summer period when people are looking at construction projects. So when Josh took this it was kind of a, at the time it seemed like the right thing to do but as I talked to him a couple of times it seems like he's becoming a little bit more overwhelmed with some of this stuff and I just personally think that we hired him for economic development and we really kind of need to get back to that. Are we advertising for the executive assistant now? We've got to revive it and go back out and try to put that in some of the key spots. It's not active I think anywhere but maybe our website so getting that back out into some of the VLCT and other local spaces is a next step and then sort of thinking about if there's anybody entity or organization to directly kind of supply it to. In a lot of ways that that position could be a really cool entry point for someone who's interested in local government and it's maybe coming through an MPA program for example and it's not someone we're gonna keep for a long time in that case but if you've got a couple of years of that kind of capacity where they're learning all the aspects that might make it pretty intriguing to somebody who's got a longer timeline and so we'll even try to work those angles as well to see if maybe that's a possibility. That's how I started in a lot of ways was through. It was a specific program that had a lot of those elements to it that position would do. That's going after an assistant for you and a zoning function. How are we doing that? We might leave it as that combination and then sort of sell the fact that you get to do the two pieces as your sort of advanced extra education in local government if you're interested in that or at a minimum we'll scare them away entirely from the experience and free them up to pursue other interests but hopefully we won't scare and scar they'll go on but yeah but the idea would be that might be a way to make the combination a little more attractive to a candidate and you might have somebody out there who's thinking well I'd like to do the zoning piece I don't want to do the other piece or vice versa whereas this might say well I get to learn it all and maybe that's something that shakes a candidate out of a tree for example. It's all in the marketing, right? Yeah, we're going to make it sound so cool that. You can take the cans back on Saturday or you can be a recycling engineer. It's all in how you write it. All right, so moving ahead we have grants on EPA region one help communities grant application. Yeah, this is one Adolfo identified toward the end of his tenure. It's a smaller dollar grant and that their max awards of $30,000 to deadline to apply is coming up about a week from today. They're through the EPA, one of the potential funding areas are water projects like the one we've got upcoming. They try to have them targeted to, I don't know if you want to call them at risk populations or vulnerable populations. And they define some of them as if you've got an elderly population or children or some other environmental related concerns on top of that or instead of so it's a modest grant, not a perfect match in terms of if you think of funding sources but it is one of those sources and I think the conversation has been that it would be this continued attempt to try to find funding alternative funding sources before we got into the SRF program. So this is one of those that's out there but if you want us to apply we can do that modest amount, modest match, $1,500 so and it might be a long shot based on some of the program explanations and guidelines but you miss 100% of the shots you don't take so. Any questions on that grant? Not a motion to authorize the application. I'll move to authorize the application. Second. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Summermakers grant application. I don't know if this is, I'm trying to look through my list here and see if Amy's and I don't know if anybody's still on from the. It matters. So we're doing the recreation grant first. The paperwork has the library run for the agenda has the rec one. Yeah. This is an application that's already been submitted. Summermatters for all. Had my sheet backwards. Sorry about that. Yeah, this is the summer matters for all this is I think it was alluded to in the back in the public comment as well that this was a grant application that was out there and has 22,730 dollars for, there's four different uses high school students to support camp counselors. I'm guessing it says for high students but I'm thinking we want high schoolers. Contract guest artists hire a tent for additional spacing at a drop-in program for tweens and teens at the library and those all total up to the 22,730. Most of it's for the high school students in the support roles about a little less than 13,000. So this is essentially approving retroactively what they've applied for. And some of this with the COVID money in this area seems like grants get announced and the timelines are set, you know, deadlines are set not that long after and they fall in between sort of the normal approval timelines. And I think these two grants were, were examples of that if I remember right. Anybody want to make a motion to approve the application for that grant? I'll make a motion. We approve the application for the summer matters for all grant. Okay. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Statent motion carries. Next up is the Amplify Vermont grant, which is another grant that was applied for and received actually by the library. It's the four session yoga program. I would move to approve submission and acceptance of that grant. Amplify grant. Second. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Stained motion carries. All business appointments to committees. We've got three potential appointments. I think if Jeff is hung on there with us, yeah, I see his name. So Jeff Grout seeking position on the energy advisory committee. It has a support of the committee chair and other members who reached out. Had his letter of interest or an email of interest and a brief background in the packets. And then there were two other, well, three other, I guess we think of the people. Suzanne Pickett whose name came up during the wastewater water advisory committee meeting as being, it'd be a new appointment though she served on that committee before. And then there were two alternates to the development review board. And these would be two planning commissioners who would, who would serve as that. Perry's one of them, I believe. And Sunny Holt is the other. The idea is to ensure that the DRB has sufficient capacity from a quorum standpoint for some of the applications that are upcoming once you factor in vacancies and some of the planned recusals so that they can still carry out those functions by putting the alternates into action in some upcoming hearings. I think the Randolph house project might be one of the bigger examples of that. So those two volunteered to serve on that role and there's still some openings for regular positions but the thought being alternates could step in and provide that capacity. So that's the full slate of candidates for potential appointment for you. Anybody have any concern with any of the folks identified? Hearing none, anybody wanna make a motion to approve them? I'll make the motion that we approve all the, all the appointments to the energy advisory committee, the wastewater advisory committee and the development review board as stipulated. Becker. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Stained? Aye. We should react. I got that Trevor, right? I abstained. Yep. Yep, 401. Thank you. Well, you can vote yourself on, Perry. No, that's fine. Other business. Trini, we should be advertising for DRB and we're doing that. If they're empty. I believe there's a running list out there for vacancies on all the committees. Are we doing anything wrong in the paper? We could probably stand for a fresh round calls to action in a few different spots. No. Okay. That's an important board. It's almost as thankless as the select board and position, Pat. You just don't get paid. As soon as we find some other alternate candidates, I'm resigning. Yeah. Well, I served 20 years on that board and. You don't even get enough. You don't get enough to buy Malox, you mean? You get nothing. You're all bottle of Tums. A lot of respect. Not a lot of respect. Depends which side of the application you're on. That's true. All right. So other business. Is there any other business, Trevor? A few things under manager's report, but I can do them now if you just want to hear them real quick, just some sort of heads up stuff. Move on to manager's report then. Yep. So just to kind of go quickly through these. And then in future agendas, I hope to just put these in there somewhere as a written document so you have it ahead of time as well. In case you want to ask any questions or we want to add anything to it. But the basic list is they, we finished hydrant flushing for this time of year. This is the first of the two times next time would be roughly in the fall, a little bit earlier than anticipated. This was done at night. So I don't know if anybody, I didn't catch any feedback, but I did hear there was at least one resident who was upset at the sound of a rushing hydrant in the early hours of the morning, but they finished that maintenance practice. And so that is part of this as we've stepped these up, done these in these compact time frames, should help with the infrastructure, the water quality, all of those pieces. The next thing up is there's a sewer line project on Central Street that's right by the Cumbies. So it's in a pretty heavily used location when you think of traffic patterns. Morgan and Chris are thinking about, it'll be a joint highway, water, wastewater, department task. They're thinking about doing that project at night because we have to open up. It's a problem with our service. We have to open up both sides of the road. So we're gonna do half a lane at a time, but trying to do that and its traffic impacts all of those things. It'll be a little more effective and efficient to do it at night. The problem is there'll be some extra noises for the folks who live anywhere adjacent to that. So I'll see if there's some way we can provide a little advanced notice, but if for some reason you hear about that before we're able to do that, that's what's happening there. North Randolph scoping study for the slope stabilization should go out soon. Up next after that, hopefully the paving bids, I'd like to get those close next week or the week after, if all goes well. The environmental assessment over at the chimney lots is gonna start next week. That's why everything's been removed from there and will barricade the entrance points because no one's supposed to be in there while that's going on. So that piece is about to start. It also means that the merchants road project is pretty close to done. They've got to plant the rain garden plantings. Those will be next week. And I think moving that stop sign is something that has come up a couple of times where it's kind of hanging out in the traveled way right now. And then we'll wait and see what the governor says tomorrow in terms of as we think about a reopening plan and what that looks like in the timing and see what the updated guidance looks like but start to move in that direction if for no other reason than thinking about the July 4th targets that have been out there more broadly at the state and federal levels but we'll start to think about how to do that and see if there's anything we need to do rather than unlock everything at that point depending on where everything is. And so those are sort of the basic things that are also out there. Jamira may not get a call about her that folks have asked about. So a brief list. Nice. Any questions for Trevor? If not, anybody want to take action on number 10? Nope, not yet. I have another business question, Trini. Yeah. Thanks, Larry. I was gonna say something but Pat can go first. Have we made any progress on the East Randolph Community Hall assessment? Any forward movement there at this point? So the bids came in more than double what the available funding was. And the group has, we took a step back and looked at other ways of getting the information and what they needed. And so that's being broke down into smaller chunks of work and they're actually right now putting together a grant application to, which is going to Senator Sanders office that will is looking for the full funding to do the entire project. So that's pretty much where that stands. Okay. And when would we know about that grant? I have not seen the completed information on it. I believe the intent of that is through the earmarking process that they're doing. I believe that's what Sanders is looking to do with those applications. So you're probably looking at a start of the federal fiscal year, if I had to guess, is when those funds will be there. Thank you. That's a nice segue to what I was gonna say in that there was an article in Vermont Digger the other day saying that Pat Leahy's office is also soliciting input for earmarks and that they're gonna be accepting ideas until the end of May some point. And I'm wondering if that's another opportunity potentially for us that if we have a particularly attractive project that's on the bigger side for us that that might be something that we can look at. What do we take to get that in front of our other senator? Actually, all three representatives have that opportunity I was told today. It's been out there for a couple of months actually. Yeah, that's where we should be getting Josh on board. Either Leahy or Sanders would be good advocates for their position. Leahy and Sanders certainly have the most clout in chairs with their respective committees. Do you have anything in mind, Leahy? Depending upon how we see some of the funding for the water and wastewater coming in, we're still looking at like a million dollars I think for close to it that we're looking to borrow to finish the reservoir project and get those wills online. And we're already looking at fee increases for water and wastewater even independent I believe of that project. And so given the fairly high cost of that service here already in Randolph, I think it would be a real big benefit to the downtown where the district is, if we can keep our rates under control really not looking forward to the discussions of how much we're gonna raise our water, wastewater rates by, especially if we're looking at some big bond payments. That's sort of the thing which comes most readily to my mind but I really brought it up to us here together as more of are there sort of big picture things that we wouldn't even necessarily even normally dream of because they're just out of the question because of the expense, but federal dollars are pretty big and it's not that hard to imagine a project that say is hundreds of thousands of dollars or a million dollars that we would normally wouldn't even dream of but somebody looking at it from the federal level might be like, oh yeah, that's not that much money, we could do that. So I make sure we're- Is the water wastewater committee looking at forwarding projects? I'm not sure what you mean by forwarding projects, like who's taking the lead on coming up with projects they would like to see put in for these earmarks? Is that the water wastewater committee? Is that the staff? Yeah, right now I don't think there's anybody really thinking in those terms other than what our obvious needs are, which right now is really the reservoir and those wells after I think that's where our highest priority is and it seems like we're really focused on seeing that project through and I don't see us really having a, focusing on other projects until we've got that one well under its way. Is our capital budget committee identifying areas where investment in the water wastewater would make sense? Sounds like a question from Mr. French. They aren't at this point, I don't think they knew they were asked to do that. Okay, I wanna sit, be careful here because you're talking about a separate district. You know, that's not the entire town. No, this is for grants, like if we're gonna apply for grants to do upgrades to the water wastewater district, you know, it seems like we need to get somebody focused on identifying where those priorities are and what should be in those grants. And so I'm just trying to fish out, like is it the water wastewater committee? Is it the capital budget committee? Like who's overseeing what our priority is for investments? Cause I think what Larry's talking about is replacing some of this infrastructure, which is a little different than like installing new infrastructure. Like how do we come up with what that project looks like that we might put in? You know, there's a lot of federal money coming for infrastructure investments. So, and I've seen water wastewater listed in a lot of the different grant opportunities that are coming, they're gonna be competitive. And so somewhere there needs to be a focus on what those projects are. You know, where is our highest need? What's our worst infrastructure? Where are we gonna be looking at doing road projects in the next couple of years where underneath those road projects we're gonna wanna replace all this water and sewer line? And what are we, you know, where are the best investments? And it's across the board. It's not just water wastewater, but if we're gonna go for grants specific to water wastewater, who should be taking the lead on figuring out what those projects are? Yeah, I'm about for the short term for the end of May. It might be at a staff level, we could take a list to try to count, you know, a cracker trying to come up with a list of ideas to at least get in that queue for this round. And it might provide a little bit of a baseline for development of some of these kind of broader, bigger prioritization exercises. And maybe we can kick off that process by trying to take advantage of the earmark opportunities that are in front of us and pull together just a few different projects that have broad benefit. It might be the combination of water wastewater road, you know, pedestrian bike, pet infrastructure, maybe there's a project with all of those components what's got broad benefit or has broad applicability to the community and that's something more specific. And I think the ideas are out there that we can pull together to create some kind of list, but... So we did the mapping, right? Of where all our lines are and whatnot. Did we do what the condition of them were when we did that effort? So we know where we've got this clay pipe versus newer material. Or did we just say there's a pipe here? Yeah, I don't know the... I have not seen that map. We got a grant for it, right? Then we authorized a grant application for an acceptance of a grant within the last couple of years. I believe the RPC helped some with it and the effort was to map, it was only one. Remember, we didn't do water and wastewater. We only did one. You have a good memory, Trini, I don't remember. Yeah, that's what I'm gonna say, that's before my time. No, it wasn't, it wasn't that long ago. Really? Well, I think it's more than three years. Yeah, it identified the challenge we had on Elm Street. Yeah, so that was just prior to me coming on. I just, I remember vaguely something about that, but I wasn't part of that conversation. So I don't know what got done. Yeah, they only were able to do one. The money that was out there was for only one. And I don't remember if it was water or wastewater. This may be something the water sewer folks could help with, Trevor, but one of them did get mapped. But I think what the challenge is, is like, what's our inventory, right? So how many, what do we have out there for pipe that is gonna fail any day? And there was a few years ago, we had the challenge where some of the water pipes weren't actually six feet deep. Remember, they all froze and we were putting supply tanks for people in their homes because their lines were frozen. Yeah, I remember that. That was probably five or six years ago. Yeah, it was in that same time period, kind of, and we had three different contracts trying to draw lines. Yeah, yeah, that was, I'm saying that was at least five to six years ago, because I remember I was involved in that. We had to run a garden hose from our apartment house over to the next house because their line froze and there was like everything else down. Yeah, that was probably five to six years ago. Yeah, and so it was right after that whole thing that the inventory was done on one of them. It's out there, but that's a piece of data that would probably help define possibly kind of the, somewhere we must know the age of some of this stuff. But I would think where our capital budget committee is showing we need to make investment in roads, if they're within the Water Sewer District, those are areas that we should be targeting because that's the time to replace water sewer lines. And then that brings you your much better rounded project to put forward if you're doing everything. And the other thing that probably is going to surface here somewhere is that conversation keeps getting hinted to in Randolph Center where they have their own water district. They run it totally separate from the towns, but about all of their lines are ready to fail. And every now and then you hear them bring up, well, doesn't the town wanna take on our water system and to which our answer is usually, yeah, no. But that is infrastructure. It is part of it's in the town, is there kind of a project that could be put forward where it does become part of the town system, but at the same time, there's a grant that updates all the infrastructure before the town takes ownership. I don't know what the answer to that is, but if we're talking water, wastewater infrastructure, probably this is the time we're gonna see the biggest investment coming out of it with non taxpayer dollar. Well, non locally raised taxpayer dollars. It's all taxpayer dollars, but it's not gonna hit our property taxes high. So for Trevor's information, the Randolph Center water district is a combination of 50 households in Randolph Center and Vermont Technical College. They share the system. So it's complex. But it's headed for a very high bill to replace the infrastructure. Oh, they had their opportunity. I know, I know, but it's not there, it's... Harry, you can't let that comment go without a little more detail. In a private conversation, Larry. Okay, fair enough. The only other thought I had about all this is with all the potential opportunities coming in between ARPA, this new infrastructure bill, which is apparently gonna happen at some point in the near future. And with money that might be available through this earmark process, it just seems like we need to be thinking about those things altogether and what our strategy is to really make the most of whatever possibilities opportunities that we have. I don't really know what that looks like, but it does seem like we should be thinking of this as sort of holistically and putting our, maybe certain projects are better at, are gonna be more amenable to a particular pot of money that we'd be more likely to get it through one place and another and we can sort of just be very strategic about how we go about looking for these opportunities. And timing. I'm sorry about that. I said and timing, which project... Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. Projects take a while, so time, so that you can spread them out and work on all of them. Good idea, Larry. Sounds like Trevor is willing to start that. Get that going. With an eye toward May is sort of the first marker, but it does set up that longer planning, conversation document puts us in a better spot to take advantage of some of these potential opportunities. So, Montpelier, I'm gonna steal it. My wife was talking about they've got a 100 year water wastewater plan. See if we can steal a copy of that as an example of how you can at least organize different replacements and tie it to some of the other elements and just see from formatting and some of those other things. So we might have a template we can easily borrow and amend. That sounds great. Any more comments on any of that? Thoughts, people volunteering to help with the lift? I mean, I'm willing to help out as I can. I'm not quite sure what that would look like, but if Trevor has ideas of how I might be able to work with him, that's, I'm gonna be there. The legislature is wrapping up in the next week and I will be looking for projects. I'm hearing you're going back in June though. Oh, well, we'll see. It turns out what the governor does. Yeah. You're going back in June. Yeah. All right. Any other topics? So negative. On that topic, we can all submit ideas to Trevor. Just real lists, I think. All right, entertain a motion to adjourn. So moved. Second. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. Have a good night, everyone. You take care, everybody. Thank you. Have a good night. Yeah.