 the community the whole meeting to order and ask for roll call Bowman bird on a Doyle graph here Manny here, Montemay or Moody excused Perez excuse Ruin flesh Stefan here Ben Akron Vanuheel Wongelman here Werner here excused All right, we have a quorum on that I would ask for approval of the minutes from our October 20th 2003 meeting Are there any additions or subtractions Very none all those in favor of approval of the minutes signify by saying aye What's I motion passes tonight. I would like to welcome everyone to our committee the whole meeting We will have an update and presentation on the Blue Harbor resort project And Paulette enters will lead us off on this. She's our director of planning and development All right. Hey, good evening chairman Werner and committee of the whole members Tonight we will have two Presentations the first will be a presentation by Joseph has general manager of Blue Harbor resort and convention center The second presentation by inspectors Larry Hill blank and pad I Rick will describe the inspection duties of the city's building inspection department Those duties that they're performing during the construction of the resort and convention center So with that without further delay I'll Turn over the mic to Joseph has Good evening ladies gentlemen Paula, thank you for the introduction. My name is Joseph house I am have been appointed by the Great Lakes organization as they opening general manager for this resort and I would like to just in a brief outline bring you up to date of where we are and The activities taken place But before I do that I would say well, I would like to see if I can Qualify myself of telling the committee as the chairman What qualifies me for opening a 60 million dollar facility? I've I was born raised in Vienna, Austria and spent all my life in the hospitality industry I made my apprenticeship in one of the leading hotels in Vienna and Ventured on to the hotel made three years hotel school You know over here would call it the college over there to call it the school and Which took me to France afterwards for a year and a one year to Sweden and then later on Had the good fortune of falling in love with the island of Bermuda and I spent ten years in Bermuda in the hospitality industry I started as a bus for and I left as food and beverage director and in 1969 I met my current wife and we got married in 1970 we met in Bermuda and From Bermuda we moved in 1974 to the United States and I started in Atlanta, Georgia And I spent two years with holiday ends and then I had the good fortune of working for Leona Hemsley for a couple years And that was an experience in itself And I opened a hotel for her at my first hotel in 1977 in Orlando, Florida And from then in 1978 I moved to Honolulu, Hawaii and joined a Sheridan organization at the Royal Hawaiian Hotel and It was a boy and a gentleman at the Sheridan Maui and then later on moved back to Oahu to the Sheridan Makaha and from Makaha to Princeville to the island of Kauai now It's always the same organization But you know Sheridan moves you around and I had the privilege of opening the Sheridan Princeville on the island of Kauai Which was a 90 million dollar facility and from Kauai I moved to the divisional office and became divisional vice-president food and beverage operation for 19 hotels from Tokyo to Seoul to Okinawa for Kwam to Saipan Singapore and Manila and All their islands and all the properties on the island of Hawaii and from then I was promoted in addition to my divisional job I became general manager the Royal Hawaiian Hotel for four and a half years And I had the great opportunity to become president of Keystone Resort And I ran Keystone in the state of Colorado a little bit north of Denver for three and a half years and As so many things go it becomes a real estate empire. It was Ronpa Ross and Perina at the time Keystone was sold to Vale Associates, right? Well, that took care of me I moved to San Francisco and joined our organization by a and a standing for all Nippon Airways and 900 room hotel right downtown adjacent to the convention center of the Moscone Center still for five and a half years it was my good fortune the hotel was sold and Company offered me to move to Ho Chi Minh City to Vietnam and open another hotel for them And I just my wife and I decided with four grandchildren. This is no long in our interest So I came to and joined an organization very on a temporary basis in Fort Wayne, Indiana for six months Which became 12 months which became four years and I've worked for the Kelly organization Kelly racing I don't know if anybody knows the Kelly racing team but and from then on I had the privilege of moving to the Kalahari I recruited recruited me for the Kalahari and As the good fortune happened I identified a company which has probably treated me a little bit better than the Kalahari so thank you very much for great likes to pick me up and that brings me to the great city of Sheboygan and I've been here now for two months and I do have to tell you with the exception of the weather today It's been absolutely delightful. I enjoyed the city. I had the privilege of joining a rotary not joining yet but been to a couple rotary meetings and mr. Mayer was the kind to Be with me one time at the rotary meeting but anyway, that that's in a nutshell what I would like to say gives me some sort of a Authority that I I would like to believe that I know what I'm doing especially as a matter of fact I just said this is the smallest hotel in my professional career. I've ever been affiliated with so I think that might hopefully I would like to Say that my my experience will enhance the the opportunity of making this resort and this facility a Product which absolutely stands head and shoulder above anything else with Sheboygan ever had and that's obviously my goal I pride myself with attention to detail I have a I would like to believe a great work ethic 80 hours is an average for me, so Anyway, I've been as I said I open my pre-opening office down at day on 712 on River River Drive right above the City streets restaurant if any one of you ladies and gentlemen would I come by love to have you give a little bit more in-depth tour But I said just explained it's becoming very difficult as matter of fact I just said to Tom I've need to hire a secretary it wasn't planned and they'll probably the middle of February the phone It's ringing off the hook. We have more than two dozen weddings when I say on the books Ladies and gentlemen, you can write it down. You can pencil it in until you have a deposit you can nothing So we would like to believe the activity is very promising and we are not even talking about the camper at the PGA we're talking about basically small groups from the Salvation Army to weddings to groups from from Milwaukee. We had a gentleman come through last week on Friday Because you heard about it. He made a specific stop here. He was going to Fond du Lac to stop just to see the facility it has been it's been I think it has exceeded our expectation as far as the phone volume is concerned and the interest in the public at large not Necessarily the people from Chabuigan because our phone calls come 80% of our phone calls come from outside the city Because the only inside city calls we get at the weddings in the small little groups But any rooms activities usually comes from Milwaukee Green Bay Minneapolis and those areas and I've just explained it's my goal that we have at least a third of the room nights on the books which we Participate of the occupancy to be for the first year We're very excited about the local support. We have received. I only want to say thank you to not just the you ladies and gentlemen But they from the bank branch managers to the restaurant tour in town. I've had numerous eyes matter of fact just today I got two beautiful flower arrangement for local businesses wishing us a lot of luck and and offering their support. It's it's been It's been overwhelming if I would say it's the least, okay? They there was not one person who said well In any any of any form of fashion negative comment has not I have not heard one yet so I Would like to take you through to the to the process of it But I think most of you ladies and gentlemen are aware of what the facility office the two restaurants the convention first conference facility Two nice Entertainment lounges little bar very comfortable nothing flamboyant, but a very a very alternate place for For the local community not just a hotel guest to go and spend a beautiful afternoon overlooking the bay Okay, I think that is one of the things this resort is geared to serve the local community Just as well as the outside guests because I have known and learned a long time ago Like especially on the island of kawaii if you don't have the local community support It's a tough haul But if you work with the local community and you know that you're part of them and they're part of you It's usually a hurdle which is very difficult difficult to overcome or an easy go So I will do anything possible and have so in my previous positions in various different cities. I am a community in Integrated person I I've I seek the help from the community and I hope this is the community seeks to help for us We are here to be part of a team. We're here to be part to make everybody proud The quality of the product that things speaks for itself. I mean the money is and there was no Detailed spare to make it an outstanding facility. I will do my best that I can provide and hopefully exceed The physical product with the quality of service we provide I would like to believe that in the few years I've been in this industry. I've learned a few tricks and and Hopefully that I can make him put them to use here that makes you proud and when you come by and I will do my best That I I will answer any questions you might have as it relates to further details But I know there's a long evening ahead of you I don't want to bore you with the rooms and the food and the beverage and and so for other than We're going to be very reasonable priced. We were going to be very competitively priced Because we you know when somebody comes in and ask for room I said I do and they work for non-profit organizations said well, I don't So I need to make profit for my investors and for everybody concerned So ladies and gentlemen this would in a nutshell is who I am what I do and what I do best And if there's any questions, I would like to respond to any one of the audience Yes, sir I'm here Monday to Friday 8 to 8 to 5 8 to 6 to turn the lights off on me outside too early So there's no no I usually been the office much longer than 6 o'clock, but it's it's boring when there's nobody else around you You know, but yes, I will be available any given day I will leave some business cards here and Paula, you know where I can be reached and so we'll see Please feel free I would like to welcome anyone to sit down and have a cup of coffee with me and Answer any personal professional in-depth questions with them might be needed Thank you very much for your time for your audience And I I appreciate it and wish everybody a happy holidays to you and your families and be safe and looking for a great 2004 thank you Joseph You know Larry building inspection tonight We would like to present a brief overview of how building inspection is involved in the Blue Harbor project once the Project gets out of the planning stage the building inspection is involved from the moment dirt is moved until the final day before the People move in so we are involved in every facet of it building plumbing heating electrical And what we would like to do tonight is give you just a brief Summary of what we do just a very brief summary because it's very involved project This project is comprised of several different types of buildings the conference center is a steel frame construction and the Blue Harbor portion of it the resort is wood frame and the water park is a combination the the water park portion is a wood frame construction and the the area Where the shower rooms and concession area? That's that's what steel frame also we're going to start with the conference center tonight and This is early July when we just we're starting to move dirt the very beginning of the project What we're looking at now is because this is a steel frame constructed building the pads that we put down are for supporting of the entire Structure, it's not a footing like you'd put in your house it's just the individual pads and as building inspectors we check that the both patterns are in the center of the in the center of the pad that the thickness is right if the the reinforcement rod is correctly tied off and Just the location is can is up to the contractor, but we are concerned with the strength of that pad next If you could look here, we're looking at the beginning of pouring the floor Pat Iric is here He's the building inspector that is there daily probably at least an hour a day. We're on site This portion that they're just beginning on the south end of the of the construction there You can see that the we check the thickness of the pad We check if there's mesh in the pad reinforcement rod You can see that the the storm sewer pipe sticking up there all the downspouts are already in place They've already been inspected and checked and tested next You can see that as they're on numerous pads each one is inspected before we Are allowed to before the contractors allowed to pour we check the column size according to the state approved plan and Next I have several pictures of this if you take a look at the steel frame The electrical inspector makes sure that every portion of the building is grounded and bonded so that if anything would short out in An outlet in a wall or whatever because the building is steel frame He's required to make sure that every portion of the steel frame is grounded and bonded back to the electrical service So there is never a potential for someone getting assured on the building in any other portion next This is another Part of it as we're just about ready to put the roof on if you notice that in the very front of the picture We have the fire hydrant installed. You see there's a fire hose off that fire hydrant. What is done The each individual piece of pipe that's put in is 20 feet long and they're chlorinated with either powder or with some type of a pellet Chlorine pellet and the main is filled what happens at that point is we let it stand for 72 hours or more and then The main is flushed and it's checked for sanitation because this is hooked to our public water supply We have to make sure that it is safe drinking water So before any water can be taken out of that system every piece of pipe is checked every piece of pipe is tested It's tested to 200 pounds of pressure Everything underground in the building is checked to make sure that that is safe to drink next this is a picture of the Bathrooms in the conference center. This is only a portion. This happens to be the ladies bathroom what we check in in that Portion these happen to be the water closet carriers that are in in line There's several more there's probably four or five on the other side of the room so we have more than enough during an intermission of a concert or intermission of a a wedding or a Anything like that and what we check for on here is of course the integrity of the plumbing portion of it but also the handicapped accessibility we check for the Stall heights or the stall widths and that they're big enough to get a wheelchair in the state requires Given amount on each one Also, we check for the height of the water closets the handicapped water closets are much higher than than the standard one and we are We check for that on before they have a chance to drywall next This is a part of the men's bathroom. You can see that these happen to be the urinal connections, but We do the same thing there We check for handicapped accessibility if you look on the the left portion of the three vertical pipes right there And then the left portion there's a there's a pressure gauge on that every portion and every piece of this building Every piece of pipe in this building is checked with a minimum of five pounds air pressure before they're allowed to drywall The contractor has to set up the test and I inspected to make sure that It's all taken care of and that it passes the test Okay, this happens to be the this is some of the interior shots that we have of the Currently of the conference center. This is a steel frame interior These are non load bearing walls because the the conference center is a steel frame constructed building and all the bearing loads are on the Columns, but we do have to inspect on these also the handicapped accessibility of the outlets all the receptacles all the switches have to be a given height so that they're accessible to anyone that would be in a wheelchair or That would be handicapped in any way So mark is involved with every portion of that also each all those walls have to be bonded back to the steel frame of The building so in case there's any type of a fault that it would be grounded out So there's no potential for the shock next This is another portion of it that's standing in the main conference area. I took that just the show just how Busy this place is I've never seen I've been in construction for 30 years I've never seen a project go up this quickly or this this fast It's just an amazing thing to watch every day It just changes and this happens to be the heating ducts that you see there We check the heating ducts there. They have to be insulated Anytime there's a penetration through a fire rated wall There has to be a fire damper or fire curtain so that if there's a fire in one room It stops and it stops at that point rather than transferring through the duct work So the reason I took that is just to show you how much activity there is on that site, okay Well, this is the current entrance to the conference center and it's in its right as of last week Friday They're ready to put the roof on what we check on that portion of it We check the columns the same thing that for the the size of the column on that holds up that rough We check for the pads also the bolt pattern things like that next This was early July and if you can if you've been down to the lakefront lately You can see where we've gone in Since July 1st or July 7th. I believe this picture was taken. That's the footings for the conference center You can see they're totally different. They are Entire the entire length of the wall Pat checks for width he checks for the reinforcement rod in it And you can see that the entire wall stands on the footing rather than just the pads like the conference center So it's a totally different totally different structure and requires a little different inspection, okay That was the beginning of the hotel the resort portion of it This you can see is they're building The the plumbing pipes that are in the floor as I said before each one of the plumbing pipes Have to be put in that floor each one of those you see is a bathroom for one of the rooms on the first floor They have they have to be in the exact location They have to have pitch inventing and we check for all the plumbing codes They all have to be tested same thing with five pounds of air pressure for 15 minutes before they can pour the floor in the background You can see they're building the stairway That's a rated stairway anytime you're in a in a public building once you're in the stairway. It's a rated Stairway so that if there's a fire in any portion that building once you're in that stairway That's an exit access and you can get out and the fire cannot penetrate that So that's why that's made out of block because the rest of the building is a four-story wood frame, okay There's the water heaters. There's four nine hundred gallon water heaters in this project each one is a million 200,000 BTUs so it's We had we shouldn't have any problem with hot water if you had had to have the Compare that to the ones in your house You'd have about a hundred and thirty four water heaters just to put out the same amount of heat that those water heaters put out And that's not even the water heaters that handle the laundry. That's extra over and above that So there's the water softeners that we have with each each room all the water in the rooms the bath the showers Even though the lake water that we have in the city is very soft. They are extra softened so that It's it's better water. It soaps better a little more sides. So, okay This is a picture of the lounge area on the north and overlooking the lake. I just took a picture of that just to show That each the the view that we have Pat checks all the connections because it's a wood frame building He checks all the connections all the the span of the joys the thickness of the joys He checks the headers and all the the construction on every portion of that building is what he checks And I just thought it's it's kind of neat because it sticks out to the east and it's kind of wherever you sit in The lounge you'll be able to see the lake and the restaurant has just the opposite flip side of that though It's exactly duplicate of that, but that would be the restaurant area. You'll be in there too, okay? This is standing in the atrium area where you'd normally check in and if you look to the east you'll be able to overlook the whole lake You're actually on the second floor If you look up on the top, there's some temporary railings up there right now That just made out of two by four But what we're what we are concerned with that the final portion of it is that the railings are the right height The spacing is right We make sure that the railings have the floor has a tow board which is a little piece of steel That's about four inches off the floor So that if anyone drops a hairspray can or something it doesn't fall four floors and roll off the end and hit somebody in the head So we make sure that all the the railings and handrails and guard rails are in position and a right correct height Okay, this is looking out the same same Area the second floor where you would normally check in you're looking down the ramp that they made and you're looking towards The west towards the the river it's a beautiful view out of either side of that building no matter where you look It's just a beautiful view Okay Here's the what we're doing is we're standing on the fourth floor looking down into the atrium. You can see the hallways. It's going to be The same thing with the railings is what the reason I took that as you can see the temporary rails for the for the contractors But that portion right there is where we're looking will be the restaurant on the left side There'll be just in the bottom right where the ladder is that would be the restaurant area But in the front is where you're going to be checking in. Okay, same thing here. We're looking out over the lake It's just a beautiful view If you look on this is the outside structure just before we put in this before they started putting in their trusses Which is this is several weeks old this picture. You can see that the geofoam is there I'll explain that a little later and you can see the part that bumps out there this is facing this is facing the lake Fisherman's Road is down to your left and We look at the trusses when they get put up We make sure that they're clipped according they have to have something called hurricane clips on so that in a real Windstorm they don't move or tornado that they don't lift off. That's something that Pat is concerned with This is the outdoor pool You can just see the bracing before they put the concrete in the if you look on the inside there's Reinforcement rod that hold the wall up all the way around each portion of this This pool is again electrically bonded and grounded. You see the reinforcement rod There's lights underneath if you've ever been any pool you see there's lights underneath the water Everything is Bonded so that the lights if they would short out if there would be a bulb would break or something would happen Everything has to be grounded and mark make sure he goes to every light every piece of reinforcement rod We check that out before they're allowed to pour the pour the concrete actually this concrete wasn't poured It was actually blown on the wall with an air system. It's really unique They just kind of shot it on the wall and it's it's kind of stayed there is really unique. I've never seen it done before Okay This is the other portion of the outdoor Pool we would be checking also if you can see on the left by the wheelbarrow there. There's an underground light This is after its poured and or actually it's on the inside. That's the bottom We would be checking for the stair risers to make sure they're uniform and also Eventually you're gonna have some handrails on that stair that are made of metal Mark would be checking to make sure that those handrails are bonded so that that also has no potential for a shock, okay? This is geofoam. I don't know if you saw the article in the press it's actually pieces of styrofoam that are about four feet by four feet by about 12 feet long and they Created a ramp to the front of the structure and they're they're about at the building area It's about 12 feet deep and it goes out a couple hundred feet from the building and it tapers down to nothing and when you drive in from To check into the hotel. You're actually driving up to the second floor and that's where you'll be going underneath the canopy And that's where you'll be dropping off the your passengers the geofoam was put on To have equal compaction on the site What it what we have now is they put the geofoam there and built a ramp out of it You can see right in the center to picture there's a manhole That's a storm manhole actually and that much was covered with with dirt so they put the geofoam down then they covered it with dirt and That's going to be the ramp rather than putting 16 feet of compacted dirt they put the foam down and That's a much better system. I think I believe I read it's the first time in Wisconsin that's being used this geofoam So there's there's several pictures of it. I thought it was remarkable. I've never seen it before They built it pretty much like you would build building blocks your children would they you know laid a bunch of them one way And then they turned them and laid them the other way and in order to make the curves that they needed They had a hot knife that they just are a hot wire and they could just cut it with a hot wire It was really unique if you see in the center a little bit to the left there You can see a column that's going to be a column for the canopy on top of the building What we'll hold will hold a roof off as you drop off the passengers. So it's a unique Structure, but the reason they did it is to mean to Keep the equal compaction of the site so that we didn't have 16 feet of dirt in one location, okay? This is one of the main things that building inspection is involved in it doesn't look like much until we explain it That's a plumbing pipe and you see the red stuff that red caulking. That's right there I have several pictures of this because this is a wood frame constructed building every Thing that we do we are concerned about fire. It's a sprinkler building and smoke detectors and it also has This into it's called Intimescent caulking if there would happen to be a fire on this this individual chase That's a chase for a plumbing pipe actually that is required on every penetration Whether it's a piece of Romex whether it's a gas pipe whether it's a plumbing pipe What happens if there's a fire on this first floor in this room that? Intimescent caulking will swell to ten times its size and completely choke off the holes So the so the fire cannot crawl up the pipe in the chase So you can go to the next one Paulette you can see here There's a piece of Romex going into the floor through the through the 2x4 and also right next to it Apparently someone had drilled a hole that they didn't need there They all what happens is if that Romex if there's a fire below and that and that Romex jacket would burn off That caulking would completely swell up and cause it like a char And it would keep the fire from going in any any farther in any room. It keeps it localized Okay, one more if you see on the bottom left. There's a gas pipe coming up. There's a few more plumbing pipes I think Pat was there today We they're anticipating starting to drywall on Wednesday the fourth floor and that's the progress we have But Pat checks every room every penetration Every piece of wire that goes through the floor to make sure that there's no transfer of Fire and there's no possibility of transfer, especially we are concerned in a wood frame building So what building inspection is always concerned mainly with life safety issues and that's why We are on site as much as we are okay This I took being a plumbing inspector I took this just to show you how each individual pipe is tested this happens to be in the basement of the water park They put a five pound air test on each individual pipe coming in and out underneath the site between manhole to manhole We've been testing it lately and that's just to show that they plug the pipes They fill them with air and they're tested for 15 minutes. Okay The electrical mark this is underground wiring for the site mark checks the depth of the wires the size of the the conduit that's put in the type of material that's put in and and He makes sure that it's all you know that it's separated that we don't have too much heat produced so he's he's on site daily and there's a there's a Miles and miles of wire in this project. So he's there an awful lot and just to make sure that everything is done Okay, I have several pictures. This is the main feed going into the water park You can see there are several four inch conduits there and many other ones for the lights and the The outside lights the exterior so it's it's a monumental task to stay on top of this job Okay, you can see this is inside this happens to be inside of the blue Harbor Basement just before they poured some of the conduits you can see that you can go to the next one Well, there's there's just a few of the pipes. There's hundreds and hundreds of pipes sticking up There's are all conduits each one is going to have Wire and they have to go someplace and it's inspected to make sure they go to the right place We have to be careful of spacing That the conduits aren't too close together so that if the wires get hot that they don't melt each other on the ground We're concerned with the number of 90s that are put in Between junction boxes you can't have more than 360 degrees and all those minor details that we have to look at every day Now this is the pouring this is the water park basement floor just before it was poured The basement floor was about two feet thick They poured about 500 yards of concrete in one day. It was a it was something to see they had it done I think by 11 they started early in the morning Pat was on site to make sure that each one of those reinforcement rod There's two layers of reinforcement rod underneath that floor and they were Tied every other one has to be tied twisted off so that they stay in position when the concrete is poured If you look in the back, you can start to see all those columns sticking up That's the those are the supports for the water slide portion of the park and you can see that they're all Many of them are poured concrete and also every one of those columns has a number 10 or number 8 wire in it So that they are bonded so that there's no potential for shock from the water on top of the park or any any metal object, okay? there's another another picture of the The park the basement just before it was poured you can see there's all plumbing pipes. This happens to be the water park building drain This is the shower showers in the In the water park So you're dressing rooms to each one has to be tested has to make sure that it's vented properly that there's pitch on it That there's bedding under it before they can close it up and cover it and before they can pour the concrete on it Okay, another picture of it the plumber has it all all ready to go This is the basement of the water park You can just take a look I gave just just took one little shot of the conduit on the ceiling You can't imagine the amount of power that it takes to run the pumps in that in that water park There are 26 different pumps in that water park and each one has to have a controller that keeps track of They all go to different spots in the park and also all the controllers that are involved with the the filtering system and there's just It's amazing to see the amount of wiring that is just involved in the water park itself, okay? There's one of the pumps that they're there like I said, there's 26 pumps like that They move about 20,000 gallons of water a minute the water park itself holds about 200,000 gallons just in the swimming pool portion of the park. It's about 200,000 gallons So it has an awful lot of water that we have to get yes. Go ahead Paulette Part one minute. Okay. We're almost done There's the columns Same thing we're showing some of the columns of the water park before we put it in go ahead Some of the pipes that are underground those are all the pipes that go to the slides Okay, this is the this is how far we are right now You can see that a lot of the features are up you can go to the next one You can see some of the stairways up there that are in already before the the building is done We would check for railings. That's the Lazy River right there that you can see the slides coming in They go outside the building and come back in we check for bonding and grounding on each one of those and This is a picture of the beast beach restoration I think maybe Tom would like to talk to you about a minute or two about that Tom Holt and our city engineer because it's They're restoring our beach back to it's original and I would entertain questions before he does that Sure Anyone else thank you for your time tonight and Tom would you want to talk a little bit about the We can give you a minute Tom We'll just stay longer We started the beach restoration about two and a half weeks ago We opened up the bids that came in two hundred thousand dollars under budget, which was a nice surprise one point three million dollars We're spent about two weeks cleaning up concrete rubble brick Off the beach. We still have more to do in some areas. We're out in the lake about a hundred feet Picking up still big chunks of concrete and building debris that were been dumped there over the years They started placing rock today. We have a rock revetment that's going to protect the shoreline We're hauling and fill we're gonna start creating berms with sand plant beach grasses We'll have a 12-foot wide recreational trail that'll parallel just along the east side of Fisherman's Road with lighting low-level lighting Next spring we'll be in to bury Fisherman's Road after the most the works completed on the resort project Our work has completed then all the access then will be through the interior of the site to get out the south pier We'll still have parking for fishing and the recreation Is that a minute thank you Tom does anyone have any questions at this time? Council Hearing none, I guess I would like to thank everyone for attending this evening a special thanks to mr. Joseph pause We're glad to have you here. I think your credentials speak well for the future of Blue Harbor Paul Aitner staff building inspection and everyone I wish everyone out there very happy holidays and a very happy new year all in favor We stand adjourned The police property officer relative to disposition of found items by city employees Seems officer lamb brought this forward to the committee In that time, I've been able to have a discussion with the city attorney And he's looked into the state regulations and and provided us tonight with a handout. So I guess I would ask Steve Unless the council would like me to read this Communication I would be willing to do otherwise. We'll let Steve give us his opinion Reiterates the the state statute there Julie asked a question that dealt with if if a city employee finds Money or property while in the scope of their employment What happens to the item? Do does the employee get it if if nobody comes and claims it or does it go to the city? There is a specific statute that Addresses this it's 170 point one oh five that was enacted in 1995 and What I set forth there are the relevant provisions of the statute it specifically says if You know it deals with other entities too, but as far as cities if a city employee finds Finds property of over twenty five dollars in value they are to turn it over to the Agency within the city that's been designated by the Common Council to receive lost items and there's a process then for that agency to Put out some notice and in the event the items aren't claimed the property becomes the property of the city As I indicate there at the bottom of the first page I would recommend that the I guess we've never done this under the statute, but I'd recommend that Council bring in a resolution at the next meeting or subsequent meeting To designate the police department as the agency within the city to accept found money or goods for purposes of the statute It's my understanding that we've had two recent situations where employees have found money and they did in fact turn it over to the police department So that's really the procedure that's being followed now anyway, but we don't have any You know formal resolution in place like the statute talks about so I think it probably be a good idea to do that Other than that if you Have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them. Thank you Steve does the council have any questions Thank You mr. Chairman Steve with respect to providing notice To the public as to what has been found does that have to be done with each item? Or can you city accumulate 30 items and then do one notice? I really should be done with each item, you know unless you find 30 items at once, but You know an important part of lost and found is sort of timeliness getting notice out there that you found something It doesn't do much good if you sit on it and don't issue the notice for three or six months People you know be long gone or I guess I was just thinking of finding a $10 item and spending $50 to give notice Okay, well the statute only deals with items over 25 hours. Okay, that's that's less than that It's not addressed in here I guess we'd have to look internally what the policy would be there if the city employee found a $20 bill In the restroom or something what we would do with it. It's not really addressed in the statute We could do whatever we want as a city on that, but Thank you Alderman Moody Thank you, mr. Chairman. Would this be like the police auction for bicycles or abandoned vehicles where? That that I would recommend to be in the in the resolution fact I think I have the office. I drafted up a draft resolution while I was thinking about it and What we currently have in the police Policy manual there's a procedure there for dealing with the items that the police acquire in the course of their Duties if they find you know bicycles that are misplaced or whatever they they have a procedure where there's they're either Provided if the department can use the item or some other city department can use the item or they're Applied at the public auction or they can be disposed of in some other way that's in the best interest of the city And we'd have something like that in the resolution that would where does this apply to where people find things I mean is like if maybe someone loses a diamond ring at the armory armory or Something like that or if that was found by the city employee this The statute would apply. There's they would and turn the item over to the property people at the police department A notice would be Posted as required by the statute and the statute just talks about 90-day notice That's not claimed within that time that it can be disposed of I think the police currently have been using one year for on things like stolen bikes or You know lost lost property some of what they're dealing with also is evidence that's not claimed As a result of you know robberies and things like that But it would have to be something found in a public place not something found like say in a restaurant or No, it anywhere if public if a city employee while in the scope of their duties finds an item This statute applies they got to turn it into the designated agency and it's Treated through that process if it's over $25. Thank you Great. Thanks for the clarification Steve. So for a city employee if they find something on the weekend when they're not working The regulations that would apply in that case would be the ones that apply to the general public. Is that correct? That's right. If you're not within the scope of the employment not on duty then a Different principle applies and that that principle is more finders keepers sort of You know the legal doctrine of finders keepers So But I guess then so your recommendation to the ethics board is to have is to have a resolution drawn up to address this This issue based on state statutes That's what I'd recommend then bring it back. Does that have to come back to the ethics board? Or can it come be sent to the council? Go on the council agenda and you know be up to the council as to what you want to do with it But I think you could just Have it layover refer to public protection safety or okay, whatever That that leads into my next comment and the next handout As as the chairman indicated has been a long time since the city ethics board met and I remember back when the ethics code was created issue came up about administration of of the code by the By the whole council as a body and it seemed a little cumbersome to have to call all the alderman To address things like this and so back in 91 the council established the Judiciary and Legislative Committee as a subcommittee of the ethics board to initially review Matters that came before the board so like this communication from Julie Lam could have gone to the Judiciary and Legislative Committee Well, this handout shows that when J&L was disbanded those duties were transferred by the council in 2002 the Sowering grievances committee so what you could do when a communication like this comes in is just refer it to salary and grievance Have them meet as a subcommittee of the ethics board and then report out to it You know you wouldn't have to do that, but that's That's a mechanism for dealing with some matters that May not be of you know that big an import that you wouldn't need to meet his whole body Well, that's that's a good point for clarification on that Steve So that I guess what I would need a motion from the floor to approve the creation of our RC from this committee that would become a Role and get sent to the common council Correct To draw the draft the resolution correct with that recommendation from the board Have a motion and a second from Aldermen got all those in favor Sure, what's I proposed hearing none the motion passes on that the next item on our agenda is All in favor we stand adjourned