 You're still watching Waze Now Nelson Mandela has many accolades. He is an iconic figure that triumphed over South Africa's apartheid regime. He was a human right lawyer, a prisoner of conscience and an international peacemaker. He was also the first democratically elected president of a free South Africa Nelson Mandela International. They celebrate the idea that each individual has the power to transform the world and the ability to make an impact. So in honor of his 67 years of public service, the Nelson Mandela Foundation and the UN ask that you spend 67 minutes of your time helping others. If you haven't done so, try to do that within the course of the week. Very, very, you know, most times when I look at some of our African leaders, right, I keep on wondering, do we really still have selfless leaders that really just put their lives even, you know, at risk just for the good of others? Of course, I know some some people in some quarters would say that Nelson Mandela, there was some compromise, blah, blah, blah, but if it is easy, this is a good prison. Go and stay in the prison, suffer what he went through. He went through. Do you understand? Regardless, like because we always try to find loopholes or try to punch people's, but he's one leader that, you know, if you look back, everything about him was selfless. Of course, as a human being, he had his own flaws, but you could genuinely tell that this person truly cared about the people. He wanted better people, right? I don't know whether we'll still be able to find such leaders in the African continent, and this is not just limited to Nigeria. It's actually within the African continent. Do we still have selfless leaders that would put their people first and say, you know what, my people must prosper, my people must grow, my people must, you know, be seen to not just what's it called, exist, but let them actually thrive, you know, give them better opportunities and all of that. It's very, really difficult. You know, I don't know how we are going to pull through because being an African right now, being in Nigeria right now, extreme sports is really, really tough. I don't know if we can ever find another Mandela, right? I mean, some of us grew up hearing about Mandela and then saw all that he had to do to get his people to where they are right now. With the way the country or the world is even going, a lot of people have become really selfish, right? You can hardly find somebody who is selfless. And to go to this extent to do all of what he did, I doubt. And my confidence in humanity is not 100 percent. We are our biggest enemies. But let me hear your thoughts on Nelson Mandela quickly then I'll get your story. Is he there either? Yes, I'm here. Hi, welcome. Ladies, it's not just about Nelson Mandela being an African leader. It's, I think it cuts across all leaders currently in the world because we had the issue of the story of the coronavirus coming up and people saying, was it a scam or was it a pandemic or was it a pandemic? So we have the leaders actually making money off the people. So it's not just about an African concept or African leadership problem. It is more about a global leadership problem that we have currently in the world today. Okay, I would not argue with you. The only thing we can say if we speak about my African continent, I know it's a global problem. Honestly, leadership is actually genuine leadership is very rare these days. It's not, it's not as before. I totally agree with you. All right, so your story is. Okay, my story is coined from, I saw it online and it was from a blog which had to do with, it says a group of leaders, a group of people were actually caught collecting or bunkering fuel, stealing crude oil from a bunkering facility in River State. And they had this, they were actually caught by naval officers who actually caught them in the act while they were performing it. I just need to dig out the story, basically, and for us to have an idea what actually resonated with me when I saw the story was the fact that the young man, when he was caught, actually stated something. If only we could play that video. He said that they are actually suffering, you know, and that's the reason why he decided to delve into this kind of business and that if the naval officials could actually help him out, he would be quite grateful, you know. So we've had this talk, this kind of issue in the South-South from God knows when and it still boils down to the fact that the people of the South-South have always complained of the fact that they have not been well provided or they've not been provided for by the community leaders or the immediate environment. So it is high time we also get this into perspective that yes, suffering, the people are actually suffering, but we also have middle plane officers, we have the high plane officers who are also participating or partaking in this bunkering theft. Yes, theft and we also have the grassroots. So it's important that it's not just about the grassroots because this young man is evidently in the grassroots. He's a thief from the grassroots. We need to look at it from the top. The high players, the high stake players and the middle players, they need to also answer to the government. Okay, thank you. This is well, Jennifer, your story. So at Canada Bay's Nigerian woman tweeted today that she borrowed almost 60 million naira to a certain person and the individual has refused to make payments. So they've been playing and toiling with her. So people kept asking like who are you, who is this person, what have you done to get your money back? And this is quite sad because a few years ago we had an accident about a lady who was this in a certain guy and borrowed him about 20,000 pounds. Yeah, 20,000 pounds and he had refused to make payments, right? So people had to get involved and at the end of the day, I think she was able to get about 17,000 back. I've seen this trend of people borrowing money. They've called out a lot of people who have owed money and they just refused to pay and I don't know what it is. Is it that people are refusing to pay or the truth is that a lot of things are, you know, drug pulling on us for those income? I think some people refuse to pay. There are people that they collect money from you and they just don't know how to pay back. Yeah, they don't want to pay back, right? I've had issues like that before. That's why I don't give her money that I can't let go of, right? So even as little as 10,000 or 20,000, person tells you, oh, I'll pay back and they don't. And I don't want to chase you for my money, right? The same energy you used to chase me for that money, to borrow that money. I expect you to use that same energy to come back to me, to pay back the money, right? If you can't pay it back on the stipulator, they at least inform me and give me a heads up. Oh, I can't pay on the 15th. Can you give me an extra week or an extra month or something like that? So let me quickly just mention my story. Then I will take a break because I want Uti to come in and also talk about her words in the news. It says a booming local economy contain the current talent exodus from Nigeria, commonly called JAKBA, the Yoruba word for run quickly. That's from Aliko Dangute, the president of Dangute Group. He said this today during a business forum meeting. I think they had an event today. According to him, Nigeria needs to be intentional about creating more jobs to engage the country's rising youth population. So it's actually interesting that we always know what to say and what to do on paper, but in the reality, in the real sense of it, we really don't have those... So where is the enabling environment? And this is why... Maybe we should just hold off on the conversation because this is why the conversation we had yesterday really, really upsets me, right? You are giving 35 billion Naira to Judicial Council. You're giving 17 billion Naira to the House of Assembly. They came out to say that they're even making matters worse, that it's for office repairs or something. When we know clearly that we have deeper problems, right? How are you trying to help me become better as an individual, right? What are the opportunities there in here? It's just so painful and sad. We have so many great minds, talented people. Just nobody is able to understand the perfect way to harness the talent and the brains that we have in this country. It's really sad for me. I don't know. I think that's part of what is giving me depression because I'm literally depressed. Take a break. When we come back, we'll continue the conversation. Stay with us.