 Hello everyone and welcome back to enter the ether of the podcast all about the upcoming the third person mobile theory old clash of souls I'm your host the man goose joining me as always the man that knows more about a theory old than anybody else in the World however, he doesn't know what the obelisk does. It's jelly knees. How you doing jelly? I'm feeling really bad right now because of that intro, but you know, it's fine. I'm fine. The obelisk is fine You know, whatever You'll figure it out soon enough buddy. I believe in you Eventually, maybe How are you doing man goose? I am doing great We had that noxious spotlight a lot of hype amongst the community a lot of people I was waiting on noxious because I wanted to know what the big deal was Like every UG person we talked to. Oh, I like to play noxious. I like to play noxious. I think we see why yeah Act like she absolutely is insane. Yeah, she'll be able to shred unless uh Unless you can get on top of her. She doesn't have too much mobility Mm-hmm, and that's fun to I think that's a great design flaw, right? She seems really bursty like Beyond she's got CC on her kit two different forms of CC. She's got a homing attack. She's got a beam She's got a res like she's just got everything. So what do you do? You give her no move speed like she just can't move around That's it sucks to be her. Yeah Positioning is gonna be huge with her And uh, yeah, that's what we're gonna be talking about today. We're gonna be talking about the noxious spotlight and then uh We're gonna get into talking about maybe too many abilities. I don't know. There's a lot of abilities and You've seen the keybinds For ethereal, there's a lot going on that might be a little intimidating for newer players And it might be a little hard to balance So we're gonna talk about that a little bit today. But first let's get into this noxious spotlight Jelly, what do you think on noxus? Overall, I think she sounds super fun I make sense why ug wants so many ug members want to play her I'm nervous that she's probably going to be significantly stronger than the other myths Um being one of the few ranged myths that we're going to have initially And also the lack of massive gap close so far It seems like we have some things talos ultimates probably the largest gap closer we have And so if noxus can sit in the back line for everybody else and just throw out her damage getting stuns roots and just Constant damage. She seems like she's going to be a force to be reckoned with. What about you? uh, yeah, she With her passive being a lot like gravestone. She's going to be very survivable On top of all of that. She's just a very powerful kit. Like I said, not a lot of mobility though. I can see her using her special her Convergence, I think it was called that slows her down, but you know It lessens the amount of mana she can use and Reduces the cooldowns of her abilities once she hits an ability, but I could but it slows her down And I could definitely see in a run Getting on top of her real quick because it's going to be a little hard to target his his charge and grab But if she's already slowed Perfect target for him And then she gets silenced on top of all of that once she Runs out of convergence So you pick her up you hold her for a while That convergence is running the whole time you throw her into your team She gets thrown into the team and she's silenced. She's going to be dead Doesn't matter if she can res Because like I said my video for her it's going to be a lot like gravestone If you ever play gravestone, you know that in the middle of a teamfight you res Everything is pointed directly at you even your own team Is throwing like stunts and shit on top of you because it's just this big Oh, there's gravestones res and get him like you know exactly where he's going to be everybody just throws everything I think I think that's going to be a really great passive early game But in teamfights I think it's just going to get her killed twice Yep And I that's a great point that it's going to be like gravestone because The second somebody sees that go off the internal clock in their head starts counting I'm like, okay, hit my stun in three two one press like it's literally That everybody's brain goes caveman in that moment. Just it doesn't matter what else is going on. That's the focus The other noxus is going to be throwing her um imprisoning light or whatever right on top of where she is Yeah, it's going to be You better be good the interesting thing about her res And specifically for the instance of like aron running in and tossing her back to his team Is that her res is going to do damage if she's built up enough in it? Right? That's a Depending on the scaling of that and how much damage that is Could be actually crazy because if aron tosses her back Into his team and they're all huddled around her trying to deal damage And she's just aoe burning them all. Yeah, that could be insane So there's a lot of potential in there as well and the radius of her burn seemed fairly large I couldn't really tell from the video. Did how were you able to tell? Was it burning? I was kind of comparing it to what we've seen with like talos's radius on abilities and and that kind of stuff It seemed like it was about depending on the size of the the myth to be sure But like one to two myths wide Okay, you could have basically essentially everyone around her and easily start racking up that damage Suicide bomb or noxus Yeah, we just got to get fools cursed going on her. I was gonna say you put fools curse order and bam Which so speaking of I did check with skifter about how that interaction would work Okay, and the res would go her passive would go off first And then fools curse would activate. Okay. That's a little more balanced Yeah, I agree being able to just run in and bomb and then still have your life afterwards would be kind of insane Redemption gauntlets might still be good on her though. Because like I said Once you rise in the middle of the teamfight, you're going to die with redemption gauntlets. You're immune for three seconds. You can reposition yourself Yeah, and basically they're going to burn all their abilities the first time around Trying to kill you a second time. So the third time when you come back, you're just going to be able to walk around No big deal Yep Oh, she's gonna be a lot of fun to play Absolutely. Um, I think there's a high skill cap with her as well I think it's going to be something that you'll definitely be able to notice a good noxus player from a bad one very very quickly The landing the imprisoning radiance and her lightbound portal Um, I think are going to be a combo that does a lot of damage early on And gets rerouted and all of that kind of stuff. Yeah Yeah, the ability to actually land her abilities is looks like it's going to be a little difficult They're very clearly lit up on the ground so people know exactly where they are And it takes a little bit of time for them to activate Even her her ultimate it You know gideon rocks aren't the easiest thing to land people walk out of them all the time if they're paying attention. So And the fact that her ultimate's going to stun people that are closer to the center is insane Oh god, yeah, I think that's I think that's one thing that I thought was just outright broken from the second I heard it Is not only is it going to do massive damage being an ultimate It's going to slow people on the outer ring of it and then stun people in the center That's nuts because that's a free if she casts her ultimate and lands the stun. That's free imprisoning radiance free lightbound portal free, uh Convergence and the beam ability. I can't think of what it's called now Basically all just because she can because she lands one cc into another and then chains all her damage onto that person I can't remember the name of the beam either. I've been calling with the lightsaber just inside my head You're just But yeah, but that's that's what I always take it to like her ultimate If you actually do land that sun just immediately start beaming in on them And it depends on the lockout of her I think the big thing for her is how long is she going to be locked out of casting one ability after the other Yeah If there's an animation that she's locked into because we've talked about with tallows That animation cancelling isn't as much of isn't a thing right now That if she's locked in with an animation she can she cast imprisoning radiance fast enough to capitalize on Her ultimate stun or something else going on, right? That could be one way to balance her Oh, just locker in animations. Oh, oh, that would feel that would feel terrible though. Yeah The cool ability the one that like caught me off guard that I was like that's a awesome idea And I love that ability is her lightbound portal With the little the little shots coming out of it And how if you land imprisoning radiance It on multiple people it'll beam both of them at the same time, right? Super cool ability like I was just super impressed with that one Like you can throw it down and then walk away and it's still gonna be Yeah, I you're gonna see so many like compilations of like fade away kills from noxus doing that exact combo Just just imprisoning radiance lightbound portal and just she turns and like back animations is floating up above the lane Watching somebody die. Oh, it's gonna be incredible The way I'll thought of it is like throwing chaff at a jet fighter whenever you got A missile coming at you. I'll go through that thing and then run Have some light balls and get out of here Yeah, overall I really like her kit She seems like she's going to be fun to play. She seems really strong at the same time But I think and her class ability we haven't even talked about how that comes into all of this too Being able to roam effectively with her portals Just kind of amplifies the fact that she seems so strong Usually when you have mage mages that are that strong their mobility Or their ability to travel around the map sucks. Yeah, their roaming ability is terrible But the fact that portals are in play here means she could roam fairly effectively assuming they work the way we think they do And be able to deal that damage in other lanes or on objectives Whenever she needs to we need to know more about these portals. I brought that up in my video as well like Can you cast them in combat? Like Because if you can cast them in combat There's no stopping you like No, I'd imagine they're probably a channeled ability Yeah, so you have to sit somewhere for three seconds and open a portal and then it ties to the closest portal next to it or something like that I hope so because that would be way too overpowered If you could just instantly get the fuck out of a fight And I'd imagine They'll they'll start the game with like charges. So maybe you have two portal charges So you'd go to the duo lane place a portal up there Then drop down to void lane place a portal down there that way you have that path already created Yeah, and then after your first back you go to iceline and create that link of portals as well Do you think that's where she's going to be played as void lane? I would imagine Uh, I know we've talked to some uji members in the past that have said void lane is they think is going to be the duo lane And I just don't see that I really don't It doesn't make any sense to me unless you guys absolutely blow my mind with what the obelisk does And I think the duo lane needs to be attached to it as close as possible I really don't see the duo lane being in the void lane I guess we'll find out later on once you figure out what the obelisk does Yeah, eventually. I'll figure it out eventually right one of these days. I'm close mangrews. I'm close. Okay I know one thing's for damn sure the uh in the the creator video Uh, it was a neburi. Neburi said that he thought she might be a support. Hell no she No Well, I think he said the archmage class itself might be support. It's like Uh, they've been saying for a while that clerics are going to be the The support classes of ethereal archmage is going to be like the mage class hence the term archmage Yeah, I I can see using iran as support. I cannot see using Noxus as a support at all She might be able to go like an ap carry In that lane, she wouldn't certainly not a support. There's no Her imprisoning radiance isn't strong enough and you're not going to use her ultimate for that Either because it sounds like the stun radius on her ultimate may be fairly small So you're not going to use her ultimate as a support ability either, right? So she may be a decent ap carry and you take daunte mid instead. Yeah, daunte avoid lane Because mid is relative I loved your video by the way and hearing you like in the lane that's lowest in altitude like It's hard to explain man You say void lane nobody knows what the fuck you're talking about you say bottom lane They assume you mean like the bottom of the league of legends map It's oh, yeah, no, it's terrible. We need better naming convention, please Yeah But we're gonna have to do man goose when the game comes out. We're gonna have to be like, okay Everybody listen. This is what the lanes are called. Please stick to this Maybe the game becomes popular enough. They will be known as fire ice and And void lanes even in the builder that I'm working on right? It's like, okay How do we determine telling somebody which lane this is supposed to be? Do we say fire lane? Do we say duo lane? Do we say like what what is this? I think you got to use the standard standard nomenclature the ug nomenclature for now That's the only way to really differentiate them. It's gonna be weird until we know what a void lane which one's void lane That's not fire and ice which ones are fire and ice they all look the same so I don't know either but Ah I don't know. It'll be fun. It'd be good times. Absolutely. No, it's gonna be great for sure And that's about all I had for for noxis. Would you you have something else there buddy? I'm not I think There buddy All right, then I'll close it out for the noxis spotlight then let's talk about abilities and uh In your latest video, you're talking about the uh the keybinds And everything and I'm looking at those and I'm thinking holy crap. That is a lot especially on the controller like You got to toggle certain abilities with one button and it's like holy shit I know it's not that far out there like they the myths do have one more ability than we're used to MOBA heroes having but You also have the familiar ability and then you have the potions and the In the wards and you just got a whole lot of stuff I guess it's a lot like smite where you have relics or kind of like basically two extra abilities Is there something like that in league legends too? I don't even know there's the summoner spells Which are kind of like that. Okay, but because league of legends is top down There's no movement keys to worry about because that's all your mouse. All right. Yeah So that that's really the big difference in league. There's also item actives that come into play You have up to six item actives So you're used to pressing more buttons, but you're not used to having to control your movement with w a s and d Yeah, so that's the the caveat to that I guess that's one nice thing is the There aren't any activatable items that i've seen they all have passives Which with all these abilities and stuff if they had item actives on top of that. Oh, I'd be bewildered The only item actives are the mark and mask items, but those will replace one of your regular Uh abilities right for your loadout. So there's no additional thing for that. It's the same button Just dependent on whether or not you decided to take the mark or mask ability instead of a class ability Yeah, I mean a loadout ability They got to be careful with it though because It really can lead when you when you put more stuff into the game. That's more stuff that can break That's more stuff that can be unbalanced unintentionally like people find ways To do crazy shit and then uh, it could just be intimidating. Um What you know, I play here's the storm a lot There used to be they called it the piano build for uther and here's the storm You don't have items or anything But you do have talents that you could take and he had four different talents that You could take that were active So you had all of his regular abilities and then four Abilities on that and people called it the piano build because it was like playing the piano instead of playing A MOBA and it was the best build for him But I didn't play it because I this is when I first started playing here's the storm And I was just flat out intimidated by having to manage that many abilities when I could barely manage What I had already so I think that's something they need to consider Um, there's going to be new people coming into the game. I think new people will actually adjust Maybe a little easier than people that are Um experience with MOBAs and just don't want that many more abilities to contend with The control scheme is weird in that there's no good Kind of jumping off point to come right right if you're coming from fps is It doesn't really translate well if you're coming from MOBAs It doesn't really translate well if you're coming from like overwatch It doesn't really translate well things are in weird places than what you'd expect Or from all of those different genres So it's a weird kind of balance to find and strike And all of the ability keys are surrounding your movement keys right, so it's Yes, it needs to be in reach of that hand But qe are f x c 1 2 Shift and left control. I think are all of them Right, that's a lot of like trying to figure out where things are right. It feels like could have been Cleaned maybe at least a little bit Um instead of where it is. Yeah, I don't know It's it's going to be hard and the controller scheme god help controller users Okay, yeah, I It's I broke it down on my video. It's simpler than the the schematic looks or makes it look In that l2 is just acting as a catalyst for using other things So once you understand that concept, it makes more sense But even then there's still you're using your entire d-pad your entire button system all the triggers and bumpers Plus the touchpad in the middle for the scoreboard And then you have to register l2 changes some of these but not all of them Yeah It's Simply complex like it's weird about how it works I really feel that's going to be very intimidated people that aren't used to having to use every single button Not only every single button, but more than more buttons than what they actually have on their controller They have to toggle some of them It's basically a kind of an in-between there in my mind There's a reason something like league has never made it to consoles. It's because there are too many things to do Button wise you have all of your abilities plus your summoner spells plus up to six items seven if you count your ward slot That's a lot. There's not enough buttons on standard controllers to do all of those things Smite can make it on console because it's very simplified In you've got movement. You've got camera You've got your abilities and then two things that you can active use active other than that And that's it very simple clean cut rules And this is not that it's kind of a bridge between the two. Yeah, so trying to use a controller is going to be hard My my other concern is balance Um, we we brought this up last week all the dots that are in the game right now like everybody has all these abilities All the abilities got to do something And they put a bunch of dots in the game Noxus doesn't have any a traditional dot like she doesn't just Throw something on somebody and walk away like malaya and tallows and marina can do but She does have her channel Lightsaber that'll that'll deal damage over time. That's a lot of She has a light bound portal, which will if she lands her imprisoning radiance is technically acts as a dot because you're right Yeah, that is a fire and forget It's not a status effect dot like the others So you can get rooted and then you walk away with Malaya bleed tallows bleed you're in riptide being slowed and and taking damage And you got these stupid ass light balls That are that are decreasing your magic resist. So you're taking even more damage From all these fucking bleeds that are all magic damage Oh Yeah, that sounds horrible. It does. They need to do something. I think about all the dots I hope that her Scaling is good. And what I mean by that is I'm okay with her being very snowbally That if she gets ahead she just takes off and dominates the rest of the game But if she gets behind I want her to suffer right right like she she has the kit of somebody that would do that So I hope that that's how they're balancing her but I think that's almost a requirement for noxus in that regard because she's too She's too strong if she's consistent throughout the whole game Yeah, she very well could be I want to be able to be on malaya and just absolutely dumpster on a noxus and not have to worry about her for the rest of the game Unless it goes another 45 minutes and she hits full build The the other concern I have with all of with how many abilities are in the game like which one do you balance like Like with noxus say her her lightbound portal is a problem but do you Which do you balance the lightbound portal or the imprisoning light? Is that what's called a prison imprisoning light or prisoning radiant prison ingredients? Yeah, which one do you balance because one of those you could probably balance imprisoning radiance And like make it activate a little bit slower and that would That would help out with lightbound portal But if you did do something with imprisoning radiance Then you're effectively nerfing the lightbound portal and with all these abilities and all of them interconnected It's going to be just a little bit harder Than it would be for a normal mode but to balance everything Yeah, absolutely and What I've noticed with noxus and what I and it applies to a lot of other myths that we know about as well Is there a lot of abilities that are tied to a different ability on the same kit? Right so that there's like for noxus for example her imprisoning radiance and her lightbound portal benefit each other Right that if you land a route your portal does better things or does damage to multiple people or whatever it may be So you fall into a trap of buffing one could indirectly buff the other and vice versa. Yeah And almost all of the myths have something to that effect Where a tweak on one ability affects another one And could easily send their win weight win rate through the roof or put them into the worst character in the game That is very quickly. Yeah Oh, that's that's going to be a nightmare. I think hopefully I mean I already talked to the skifter I'd like to get him on here so we could pick his beard about all these myth kits What's what's all the spotlights are revealed so after after lia comes out I would like to get skifter on the show so we could talk to him again about um about the myth kits and see Kind of what their philosophy is and if they're anticipating a lot of these um Sort of balance issues that may arise from having all of these freaking abilities Yeah, skifter and I have talked a lot through dms about that kind of stuff about like how does this balance out with the other thing kind of trying to Answer some of those questions or at least put the thought in his head if they haven't thought about it already Yeah, so I think he is definitely trying to be as on top of it as he can But there's only so much that he can do and the team can do in that regard as well Then pretty eyes can't see everything I know dude You see it all the time whenever a game releases the players find insane ways to exploit different things that you never would have thought of like 20 people you would think would be able to think of everything that could possibly happen with an ability They can't 20,000 people can Yeah, absolutely It's almost like bug testing in that regard of right like you could you could put it out to a ton of people and You'll randomly find a bug by one extra person that comes in off of that and they're the only person that gets it Yeah, right. It takes one person to have the like 10,000 iq thought process of like, what if I combine These three abilities on a rock where I break the rock as a berserker And then bust through like the Kool-Aid man and grab somebody and toss them over the edge You're gonna get people doing that all day with this game because of the nature of what they're building as well Yeah, they're almost endorsing that kind of behavior Based on how complex everything is right And it may not be something to suppress. Maybe you should encourage that from your players, but If something gets way too out of hand, you gotta you gotta reel it in I know for that end something they've mentioned in the past is Not wanting to restrict certain myths to certain lanes So they're going to if marina is just as good a mid laner as she is to support They're going they're willing to let her be both as long as her mid lane. It isn't isn't Oppressive in that regard right if they're both about equally balanced of similar win rates between each other They don't care about that. They're that's fine with them. They want that diversity So it seems like a lot of that is going to happen Especially with the initial pre alpha 7 right? I know I'm going to try pretty much everybody if not everybody in the jungle because that's what I do And I'm curious I could see ways that each of them might benefit in the jungle over the others So it's really curious to see all the people testing out the different lanes the different metas the different items Going ap Dante instead of attack speed or whatever you're going to do And they're going to have a ton of work on their hand in that regard. Yeah Oh, it should be fun though. I mean, I know you've already been delving into the item system and coming up with some pretty crazy combinations, so Yep, absolutely. I've got like a whole backlog of like I want to try this build this build this build Can't wait to see where you come up with Oh man I was uh telling somebody this week that I was like you're going to see me play marina jungle because I'm going to do it And when I do you should either be very nervous if you're on the other team Or very excited if you're on the other team because I'm either going to like be horrible Or take off because I have a build in mind. I think we'll dominate with her in the jungle. Oh, shit Can't wait to see it Well, that's about all I had to say for for abilities. Uh, you good jelly Yeah, I think that's about it. You got anything to plug this week mangoes. Uh, no Okay, I I did make I did make that new channel, but I'm not telling anybody about it. I want to see how I want to see how far I can build it without telling My original channel about yeah, like an hour you had already got a couple subscribers on the new channel without even I'm still about five subs Yeah, within a well within a day I was at five subs and about 400 views, which I'm pretty goddamn proud of because my original channel It's about that's about 4 000 better I totally get that. I totally understand that concept. Yeah But all right. Yeah, I think that's going to wrap it up. Uh plugs jelly. You got any plugs Ethereum.gg We've been teasing our builder all week. So it's we're really close to having like a public test for it Um joined my discord if you want to see more of the information about that Um, but there's news and updates all on the website already the builders going up soon And we're going to have like a whole database there as well That's super exciting and then I'm working on videos. I'm like super close to something here. I have a visual aid Right. I I'm super close to figuring something out with this game And I swear to god, I will do it if it's the last thing I do All right knocking crap over you Right on all right. Well, uh if you guys have anything you would like to say any comments about Nox's kit or if you want to talk about The uh, how many abilities are in the game? Let us know your opinions down in the comments below, but uh Until then I hope you all join us as we enter the ether Man go