 All right. Good morning everyone. I am super excited to call this meeting to order. It is our community development committee meeting. Today is October the 3rd and Miss Hammond. I've known her for a while. Look, I've known her for a while. Please make sure that the record reflects that we have Mr. Brennan and Mr. DeVall here. And so we're gonna kick straight into number one which is the Let's Build Together workshop. And you all should have a flyer that I'm giving to you now. This is actually a product of what we talked about it before but it's a part of this whole affordable housing campaign that we're trying to do and it's actually a part of what the Affordable Housing Task Force is working on through me. Or I'm working on it through the Affordable Housing Task Force. But the key thought about this is we have tons and this is for I'm sorry the event is Let's Build Together and we're gonna be inviting nonprofits and churches to come and basically see how housing development happens. What I have found since I've been in office and maybe even before that is we have churches, a lot of churches who are land banking and they're buying vacant lots or they're trying to clean up their communities and so they're buying old dilapidated homes but they don't know what to do with them once they get them and they don't I think they know what they would know what they want to do but they don't realize the expense that is involved in turning it into a new house and trying to get those funding resources. So this event is gonna be for churches and nonprofits. They'll get to hear number one what the city offers because I had one church that came and said we have 27 acres that y'all can develop on and I said oh that's not what we do but you know trying to try to tie them to developers who can assist. I'm hoping that we'll have Mr. Ricky Ezale. He has he bought the shopping center on River Drive and when I was here working at the city he came and said you know we bought this shopping center we want to do something with it and I said in the city has $200,000 you know in our long run and that's not enough for them to do their project so this will be an opportunity just to show folks who are interested in property interested in developing or land banking kind of like a snapshot a snapshot of what they can do next if they really want to. The agenda is really really condensed but we're gonna have information about because I'm keeping it to our but we would definitely have they are on the agenda I just don't know if they'll have time to speak it maybe there's a table there but that is the key thing giving them the information to know where to go. I will say we do anticipate it'll be pastors and I'm from the church and so usually we don't give the details to the pastors anyway we give them like the resources and they give it to like the CDC directors and so forth so I'm pretty excited we're gonna start promoting it today and we have about three weeks for that to come so how we promoting it well we're gonna send out a letter to I have a standard I have a standard church list that I send stuff out to if y'all and PR is gonna help us promote it but if y'all have any particular churches please let us know because we've already put since I think the press release already went out yeah but if you have some churches that may be interested let us know if they won't like some people may want the direct invite that mailer is gonna go out. Where are we with the affordable housing task force is it still functioning it is I mean this is literally one of the recommendations from the task force okay is looking and I guess we could have that as one of our meeting things the kind of anything that I usually say about affordable housing is a byproduct of what we've discussed in that meeting. I thought that affordable housing task force had been decreased in the reorganization of our committee schedule. I didn't get that memo. Still ad hoc right? Yes still ad hoc we still meet via Zoom every other month. And you're in charge of it? In charge is a word that can be used. I did I did I I resumed responsibility of it when Miss Divine shipped it so yes and actually Dr. Bussells is the co-chair as well so we're still meeting in this this is actually a product out of the recommendations that came from that okay that makes sense. I think this is fantastic to at least identify kind of inventory out there and then let our like you said our development and our economic development staff kind of take over from there with the one-on-ones. Well and that's a good point that I hadn't brought up because I think what some people may realize is they're not prepared to be in the housing development arena at all and so if it helps them make that decision once they see you know how much they need to have in pre-construction costs and especially after COVID I know a lot of the folks just aren't in position to do that so to your point that is a part of the picture too is so you've been held on to this land for five or ten years and you don't there's no way you can do anything with it for the next five or ten years so what are the other options who can help out yeah very good point any questions about it we'd love to have you out there the program mayor is going to give the welcome I think I think I asked if y'all have any folks who may be interested just make sure to let us know all right any other questions did I leave anything out Felicia or not Felicia? Felicia, Eric, Janice, that's what y'all want to say. All right so next we're going to move to agenda item number two update on the NUSA 2024 conference by Mr. Tyg Watts president of the Richland County Neighborhood Association and if Mr. Watts if you could hit to the thing I do want to say so I remember when I was in community development Mr. Watts all of your hard work I distinctly remember Deborah Livingston talking about NUSA NUSA NUSA I couldn't remember if I had ever been to a NUSA conference but I do know when the questions started coming about I was like I'm very familiar because Deborah Livingston always talked about the NUSA conference so it's my understanding that we will have NUSA here. Well that's the good news I want to share to this afternoon and thank you all for the opportunity to come speak to you. Many thanks to Chairwoman Herbert and commissioners DeVall and Brennan and all the esteemed staff here. The good news is a couple weeks ago no it's more than a couple weeks ago. Last time I spoke with y'all individually I thanked you for you know passing proposal or a proclamation unanimously for the effort to secure the NUSA conference. I am happy to report that on August 31st that's correct August 31st this year the NUSA board convened a special session of their board of directors and they voted unanimously to award the host site to the city of Columbia and Richland County. This will be the first time not only will it be coming to South Carolina but it will be the first time that it will be coming to the Carolinas north or south. So we got y'all to our heels. What's the date? The date that we're looking at is May 22nd through 25th. Traditionally it's always been the the week leading into Memorial Day and this is a great opportunity for us to capture a very active crowd of participants. I will tell you this the economic impact the average conference participant will spend about four to five thousand dollars from out of town coming to NUSA. That includes the plane tickets. That's not our bar bill but it used to be back when we had many bottles but between their plane tickets, between their hotel stays, between their souvenirs and their trinkets, between their car rentals, between their you know going to their uber bills to all the great fashion that they'll be buying on the streets here the economic impact is huge for Columbia. And not only that the indirect economic impact we're probably talking you know possibly in the tens of millions of dollars. So in the end this is not only a good thing that will pump money into our economy. It'll pump it'll pump a lot of energy into our neighborhoods and our communities. And it will also cause a spillover effect that hopefully will show that Columbia is not only prepared but ready to handle more national conferences like NUSA. So since we were awarded it we've been very hard at work you know trying to build a trying or doing a lot of things. Even before we were awarded it we reached out to experience Columbia to get them on our team and they've been very hard at work. I have to applaud the staff over there. They do they do cartwheels midair. I'm telling you they're doing a great job. We have secured or we are in the process of securing both the convention center and the alumni center across the street. And we are. We will also be conducting more tours of host hotels to secure enough rooms for all of our out of town guests. What's your anticipated audience. How many people coming. I'm glad you asked. There's a three. There's a three ring up approach. And that's and I'm not saying this just because I'm a relative of Barnum and Bailey. But the three rings that we're looking at is about 2 to 300 local participants here from the city of Columbia and Richland County. Outside of Richland County. And if you want to put that ring to basically South Carolina and neighboring regions. We believe that we can attract at a minimum three to 400 people. And then these people would be coming from Greenville Spartanburg Charlotte Rock Hill which is a big neighborhood community Myrtle Beach Charleston down to Buford County up and around to Augusta Georgia. And believe it or not, we finished the circle in Greenwood, South Carolina. And the reason why we finish it in Greenwood, South Carolina is because outside of Columbia, the neighborhood USA Board of Directors has had representation from South Carolina. And the board member from Greenwood is very excited about bringing her local participants here to Columbia. And so outside that circle of South Carolina Charlotte, Augusta, the the the expected out of town visitors from across the rest of the country end around the globe because this does get international participation. We're plugging that number at a modest number of 500 minimum with well over 1000 potentials. So when we add all that up, you know, on the low end we have 1000 participants that we're shooting for, and we're going to try to course because I am who I am. And our board members who are working on this or who they are, we want to of course break the conference record of participation for neighborhoods USA. And we have 1700 in our scope right now. And just from that circle, because of my years of experience serving on the NUSA board, and also serving as president for four of those nine years I served. I know of about 200 people because I have all the registration less from my years, where I'm going to be reaching out and grabbing a large share of people that have not been to NUSA conferences. Now, before I go too far, I do need to share with you, the last NUSA conference was held in El Paso, and that attracted a crowd of 630 people. Now that doesn't sound like a big number, and you're probably thinking I'm taking a big step and a big leap off. But their number this year was 50% higher than it was the year previous when the conference, the 2022 conference was held in Little Rock. And that number of 430 is increased from the year 2021 when that conference was actually technically hosted in Fort Worth, Texas. However, that conference was a virtual conference because the attendance for the year 2020 was zero, and we all know why the coronavirus. And prior to that, there was well more than 7 to 800 that participated at the Palm Springs conference in 2019. Birmingham, and if you've ever been to Birmingham or ever been to a conference in Birmingham, you know they know how to put on a good conference. That conference had about 800 to 1,000 people and so on and so forth. So NUSA has a large audience, and it has a large built-in audience to bring visitors here, so we are very excited at the opportunities of how to increase that as well. Some other things that we've been doing, you know, we've been hosting community meetings. We've been reaching out to and building out our base of partners. We've gotten commitments from groups like the Recreation Commission, Conservation Commission, Riverbank Zoo, a plethora of neighborhoods, not only from the city and the county, but we've got neighborhood volunteers signing up that have never even joined umbrella organizations just because of our local networks. In addition to that, we're building out our steering committee. We've been very fortunate after a meeting last week to share that we will be holding a steering committee meetings, our first one this month here in this building a little bit later in the month. We've also been working to develop our lineup of events. The NUSA conference is basically unlike a conference you've ever seen before. In addition to a number of workshops, educational workshops, we hold and get people out into the community to talk with the grassroots people who are doing all the hard work, and we have an opportunity to spotlight neighborhoods during what's called our pride tours. So we're working on identifying locations for those. We're working on developing workshop tracks, and we will be releasing later this month our formal call for presentations, which will be where we get a lot of our workshop presenters from, if not all. We've also developed our theme, which I'm very happy to share with you. And, you know, you hear a lot of politicians say we need to focus on the three R's in life. No offense, guys, but, and I agree with them, except our three R's are not reading right and arithmetic. Our three R's are true R's and they're revive, restore and rejuvenate because those are the three principles that really kind of come out when it comes to neighborhood and neighborhood. Capacity building themes. Plus, not only that, I kind of like the word rejuvenate, it makes me smile, and we can do a lot of fun things with that. We're currently in the process of developing our conference logo. We're also looking at what it's going to take as far as a registration fee, where we have to make a formal recommendation to the Neighborhood USA Board of Directors. We're setting, like I said earlier, we're setting up our lineup of the conference. We're looking at hosting or we're looking at an opening event, an opening reception that features not only city government and county government, but also the governor's mansion, and particularly the governor himself, because those were the three pillars that impressed the Neighborhood USA Board of Directors in their selection. That's why we were unanimous. We had the support of the city through your proclamation. We had the county support with their proclamation that came a little bit later. And we actually had a formal letter of request from the governor himself. You know, I couldn't ask him for it. He wouldn't let me. So we had somebody else on our team make that. And with those three pillars, we'd like to set up, you know, some sort of opening palmetto reception that features those three arms working together. Thursday wouldn't be the formal kickoff and opening of this conference. We're working on a big name keynote speaker. I'm not allowed to say because last time I gave clues to it, I got jinxed and they told me that decision wouldn't be made until January now. So that's all I'm going to say this time. But from there, we'll have a lineup of workshop tracks. We'll have the neighborhood pride tours that afternoon going into the evening. Friday, we'll go into more workshops. Then we'll have the national neighborhood of the year awards luncheon. We'll finish it out with maybe a workshop session or two on Friday evening or Friday afternoon, which will open up a Friday event that we're hoping that we'll be able to nail down with riverbank zoo for a free night at the zoo for all conference participants. Saturday, we'll go into their new said general membership meeting as well as the closing ceremonies of the best neighborhood program awards luncheon. And their closing ceremonies for the new circumference. And best of all, the new circumference will close out on Saturday afternoon. And of course, we will have transportation that brings them right down here to main street for the soda city market so they can even get more of a feel. And we're getting our four to five thousand out of them that way too. So with all those things kind of coming together, we have had enormous support. We have with the exception of one entity, we have had unanimous support, enthusiasm and excitement. We are currently getting our call for presentations ready because we do have our next formal action is we have to go before the new subboard on October 26 and October 27 to give us to give them an update on where we are. And also ask for their approval when it comes to conference registration fees, call for presentations and that and that material. So I know you're probably thinking that's a big lineup. That's a big set of events and how we're doing it, but we do. We were not just, you know, grabbing our forks and our knives and getting a plate and trying to get that pie in the sky. We thought about it. We know that this is going to cost money and a good bit of money. And we've kind of developed a funding rectangle that we believe are going to be a solid foundation for this. Of course, we're going to be coming to you and I'm planning the seed now that we will need some sort of hospitality or funding from the city. We will also be asking for an equal or even greater amount from the county as well. We're developing a sponsorship package so that at our new subboard meeting. We will be doing a formal flag exchange inviting the media there as well to kind of get that out in the public so that we can, you know, put that out there and then follow behind it with our corporate and business sponsors. And then the last side of the box would be the registration fees because out of the registration fees, the average participant pays $200 to go to this conference. The NUSA organization itself keeps $50 of that dollars because it's their conference. We keep the remainder and that's how we're basically going to put together the funds that pay for this conference and also make an investment in our community. What else? What else? What else? Of course, we're going to need funds not just for the conference itself, but we're going to need funds that help market the conference in order to get our numbers. You know, advertising is not free and that we know how to do it and we know how to do it very well and we've also got the captive audience. So with that being said, the only thing I didn't get into is keynote speakers, which we are working on. We're looking at neighborhood based activists and authors to deliver some great keynote addresses. We want to make sure it's reflective but also has the spirit of Columbia and Richland County as well as South Carolina and all things. So I've said a lot a lot. I'm open to your questions. I'm open to your questions. Mr. DeVall first. Ty, the number 1700 rings would leave because that's what we plan for for the municipal association meeting every year. And so I've had 22 years or more of experience putting on something this big and I know that this is going to be a major effort. Have you got an event planner? I don't have a formal event planner on call yet. And the reason why is because twofold. One is there's a couple of things I forgot. There's one other thing I forgot to tell you too. The formal event planner, the NUSA organization itself has had formal event planners work with the conference. And that history of event planners has not been particularly a good experience. Because the NUSA conference is not quite like your normal conference. Now with that said, I know I understand. And definitely we're going to, you know, we're not to that point where we're ready to cross that bridge just yet. Because one of the things I did forget to leave out when it came to funding was in addition to the NUSA board awarding the host site to us unanimously. I also put in a request that they consider allocating us seed money so that we can go so that we will have some funds to put down in secure locations. I am happy to report that we were awarded up to 25,000 that we would repay from our event registrations. So we didn't want to get too far ahead with an event planner just yet until we also got some other things set up first. We might very well have to do the event planner, but we're not pulling the trigger on that just yet. And we probably won't want to until after the calendar turns to 2024. The registration, will that be handled by NUSA or have you read your own registration? No, well, it will be handled through NUSA. However, we will be very hands on with that as well too. I'm actually the one who modernized NUSA so that in years past it's always went through the host cities. When I was on the board, I was like, why are we taxing them with the problems of doing this when we should be doing it ourselves? Since then, there's been some changes within NUSA, but I will be working directly with them on the registration process and having that set up as well as regular updates on that as well too. So we will be working very hands on, but they will be the ones who facilitate that that we have as much access as we need. Does NUSA have a staff that comes in to help you put this thing on? Yes, yes. They only have a full time staff of one person. However, their board is a working board of about 20 individuals. It's a 21-member board, and they are very, very hands on. We are working very closely and tightly with the Program Development Committee. We always have a regular weekly check-in with them, and that will increase as we get closer to multiple times per week, if not multiple times per day. What is your ask to the City? You need to get that to us as soon as you can because we have missed the funding cycle. Well, just so you know, I wanted to go back and tell you all how this process happened to. This process happened with a phone call I received right before National Night Out. And the people that the person that called me asked me the question, have you ever thought about bringing or trying again to bring NUSA to your city? I said, well, yeah, sure, but you know, realize this, we've had two efforts in the past that came up painstakingly close. I mean, the first time we missed by five points, the second time we missed by one point. I said, but tell me what year you were looking for, because I was thinking 2025, 2026, something like that. When they came back with 2024, I had to look twice, you know, and go, are you serious 2024? And they're like, yeah. And so we're having to do something that no other host city has had to do in a very long time, which is put on this conference within a matter of about seven months right now. Most have about 12 extra months than we do. However, because I worked so closely with NUSA during those years from 2011 to 2017, those were the four out of those seven years I was president for four of those years. I worked very closely with the host city. So I know this conference backwards and forwards and know what needs to be done. I know that we can do this because we've been able to do and in about two months, what most people or what most host cities have had to have done in about six months, but we have to work at this pace. We don't mind working at this pace at all, but I know that when it's all said and done, we're going to produce a conference that not only the city and the county can be proud of, but South Carolina and the entire Southeast region can be. Well, I think along the lines of what Mr. DeVall was saying too, because of the condensed timeline and I'm a former, well only while I was at the city, a PMP project manager and really making sure that projects stayed on a tight timeline. I'm feeling like we need a project. We, I say we lose sleep, but the need for a project manager may be higher in this situation because of the condensed amount of time. I will say I'm concerned to say that we're going to wait until 2024 because it brings someone in when things are already tight. No, I totally get it. I think the more time they have, the better outcome. But I'm kind of thinking the way Mr. DeVall is, but because, and I think the reason if anything is because you don't have the full amount of time to do it, that a project manager, now, of course, something that costs, but that would be, that would be my strong. Is that our strong suggestion? That would hear you. I hear you. I have done these things before and these, especially one around that size, it takes a lot of work. Absolutely it does. And we're not opposed to it, like I say. And we're open to the suggestion and we're open to the reception. You know, we're open to the implementation of it. Yeah, but. Because I don't want to go crazy there. Me crazy? Because it's a lot of work. One thing is to put so much into the preparation that when you get to the event, you can barely enjoy it because you're, that's usually how it is for me. I can't even enjoy it because I'm so exhausted. So that's another consideration to just making sure you can enjoy the experience that you've worked so hard for. Absolutely. And we're open, like I said, we're open to the concept and we're open to the idea. We will ask that we do need support or that, you know, we need, we need, you know, not only the moral and PR support, but we also need the financial resources as well too. Because this is a very grass, this is as grass roots as we can get. And, but the steel line for President Clinton at the 2010 news conference, everything good in America has come from the neighborhoods of America. Neighborhoods are where everything matters. It's where we make our largest investments in life. And at the end of the day, you know, it's where we, you know, share successes and where we mourn losses together. Because everything that's important to us, you know, comes from our communities. So we're open to the concept. Definitely. I'm not saying no, but, you know, we do, that we do, like you said, we do have a very short time table to work with. And we've been very grateful that the successes that we've had have come as fast as they've, as they've come. And we've met, we've been met with very little, if any, resistance at all. So. All right. And have you all submitted a budget request yet? I have not submitted a budget request yet. We have met with the budget office to kind of get the do's and don'ts of what we can ask for and what we can't ask for. We have, as part of the, when the proposal, when we sent in the proposal, we had to kind of give them a budget outline anyways. So we do have those numbers. We sat down and put paper to pen and, you know, and added up with the calculator. You know, even moved a couple of things around and advocates. And when worse came to worse, you know, even took a couple of pairs of shoes off and counted. We've got our numbers pretty good. We know that our numbers are going to change over time, obviously. But at the end of the day, yeah, we're ready. We've been moving at a breakneck pace. And I'm very confident about where we are. We just, like I say, we need as much help and as much support as we can. And so, you know, we're open to the event manager. And I think my understanding is your direct staff support, or not support or report, but working with Felicia and community development or how are y'all handling that going forward? Because I just want to make sure everyone's on the same page all the time. And we know who's on first and who's on second. We will be working with Felicia as time, I'm sure, goes on, you know, even before we submitted the proposal to bring this conference to Columbia, we met beforehand. And, you know, and as I said, you can ask her, I said, if I need your support as much as possible, whatever you can provide, you know, we're open for, but if you can't provide, I understand completely, you know, so we're definitely on board and, you know, more than willing to work. And in fact, we have offered, you know, her as well as Charmaine Clark seats on the local steering committee. And like I said, we'll be working, we've been working very fast. We've got probably now more than 50, more than 50, I think just less than a hundred volunteers already, ready and recruited. And we've only had this, you know, been awarded this maybe five weeks ago. Sounds like you need a project manager. All right, I hear you about the project manager. And I'm just thinking even just to manage all the volunteers, you know, making sure folks are in those, those people places. But let us please, please make sure we're kept abreast. I don't have the authority to give anything, but I do want to make sure that we're aware of what's going on and that we help present the best conference possible. Absolutely. And I also don't want you all over, you know, overthinking a particular issue when maybe you could have made a phone call. This happens a lot and, you know, make a phone call and someone was like, well, yeah, all you have to do is. So make sure y'all are collaborating as much as possible. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's something we've learned very even before we submitted our application was the more partners we have at the table, the more better ideas we get over time because we may know an awful lot, but we realize and we're humble enough to say we don't know everything and we do need help and assistance. Okay. One other question and I'm going to ask Miss Kilgore. She has any questions. Does NUSA have like a timeline for implementation that everyone goes by or do you put your own timeline together? They have a timeline within their, within their workshop applications called like a NUSA conference. What's the word? I can't remember the word, but it's basically at this time, you want to do this, at this time you want to do that. The good thing is, is that we've been kind of catching up on almost everything that they had within the very first year of the conference timeline kind of spelled out. We're basically almost to that point where we are, where most cities are seven months out right now because, and that's why, that's why honestly you haven't really heard a lot from me because once we got the awarding thing, we've been out there every day, you know, doing something, you know, and we're doing this as volunteers, you know, they who only have part-time time, but we are putting so much full-time energy into it that we've been, I'm happy to say that I think give us another month and we're going to be right on pace with everybody else who's usually at this pace six months out before the conference begins. Ms. Kilgore, did you have any specific questions or anything else to add? No, we met with Ty last week and got a lot of our questions and things like that iron out. I know he's working on me with community development staff next week or two. Right. All right, sounds good. Y'all have any other questions? Good luck. Thank you. Ty, you've been about 20 minutes over, but it's okay. Wait, we run a tight ship in here, but that's okay. No, you're fine. But what I am going to do is at this time, depending on how time goes, I'm going to skip agenda item number three and let's go to agenda item number four, business license and center for grocery stores. And we had a draft of this at our last meeting and we asked the staff to look at some suggestions and then Mr. Brennan, we have not forgotten about the other aspects because you asked for two other things, but I didn't want this to get held up while we were waiting on the other incentives. Is that okay? All right. And so, and then I'll turn it over to you all and if someone, does anyone plan on addressing gyms? I responded to this morning. I'll find it. Let me find it in one of my phones. All right, y'all go ahead. Okay, so in this incentive that you have in front of you, we just added some of the, we incorporated the feedback we received at the last meeting and also added some clarification. So in conjunction with the court's business license, Krista has provided her feedback as well as Ryan. We added that on our within 200 feet of the specific corridors in our districts just in case those locations are not on the street. Maybe they're just about 200 feet off of the main road. We didn't want to exclude them from being considered for the incentive. We specifically added North Main Street on here as well. Just so there was clarification, we did receive questions on the Main Street include North Main Street. So we wanted to be clear that it was the intention to include that street. We've also added Bull Street on here as well to continue to develop that area. And then explained exactly what those areas were on the Bull Street district. It says bounded by Hardin, Colonial Bull and Calhoun Streets. In addition to that, we wanted to make it clear that we have received recommendations from the food policy committee. They were a part of the decision on what we included in this incentive. So we added that language in here as well. We continue to communicate with them as we move forward with this incentive. Also, Kelly, do you want to explain about the five years of rebates tax levy section B on here? Yes. So we did add, so instead of the one year, we did update it to the five years of rebates per location. And it would be 100% of the annual business license fees. And then for established business, we did 75%. So discussion at the last meeting, I think initially, Greenville did 100%, I think. And then we talked about doing 50%. And there's a discussion of 100. So we did talk to the food policy committee and based off their feedback, we've put 75% of a rebate for the established business grocery stores that are already existing. And so just from my clarification, it says up through, are we sunsetting this for May 1st, 2028? That was just, that was taken from similar to Greenville's. Just what they had, they had some sunset on theirs. So it was just pretty much copied and pasted but just pushed out. But we can always adjust that and remove it. Yeah. I think effective on the C business receive out of city between the effective date of this article. The only concern I would have is that, like that would mean incentives we had to start rolling out for you to get your five, like this month and we're nowhere near that. But I don't have problems doing it in a pilot phase like we did with the CDB. Did a CDB, yeah. Y'all see that part? Y'all have any questions or concerns about the, I would just- The five years is for the existing business to get 75% rebate. Instead of putting the May 1st, 2028, could you save five years from the implementation of the ordinance or something like that? Absolutely. From the effective date of the ordinance. Is it from the ordinance or the application? Yeah. It's really from the application. Yeah. I think the intent is to make sure they still always get the five years. Okay. But what we want to say is right now, we're only offering this up until May 1st, 2028. Because when they're doing their business plan, they need to know that there's a five-year commitment there. Right. Regardless of when it starts. We wouldn't want some people to get one year. We wouldn't want some people to get one year. Right. We wouldn't want some people to get one year. Some people to get two, three. Does that make sense? So the application deadline would be that date. And we would still get the five years. That would be the initial- So then that's not really a sunsetting the ordinance. Then I would just say five years from your date of application. So this could go on until we create something different. Well, I don't think that's how you sunset the ordinance in that paragraph. That would probably be- You sunset the ordinance when there are no more three deserts. Yeah. Because, well, and just so I'm understanding it, you have the period of time that they qualify for the tax rebate. That's one period of time when the ordinance sunsets should be addressed separately in a different paragraph. The five years is the existing stores. Both of them. Both of them. And so what we're saying is even if they don't apply until three years from now, we still get five. Yeah, they still get five years. But no one can show up on May 2nd, 2028 saying I have an application because the initial program itself has sunset it. Okay. Yeah. We have a band of buildings tax credits that will sunset. So we can take a look at that. Okay. Yeah. Addition must remain current on your business license renewals to continue to receive that rebate. Yeah. We have to say that. We have to spell it out sometimes. And I'm glad you do though, because I know how some folks who like, well, I didn't do it because I don't have them because I get, no, that's not how that works. Thanks for talking that through. Now relocation within designated areas is permissible. And that means, does that mean you can go from Bull Street to Colonial Drive or that you can stay within Colonial Drive? I think you're getting too deep in the weeds. Completing change of address paper work with business license. So they can't move it to someplace else. But if they don't, they have to be in a designated area. Right. As long as they stay within a current designated area, that's what I'm suggesting. I just don't want people moving from Colonial to Colonial Drive. All right. I don't have any other questions or concerns. Anybody else? Looks good. Just coming up. No. Just want to see if there's any additional feedback that we need to incorporate. All right. That was quicker than we anticipated. Yeah. Yeah. Breathe. All right. So next we'll have community development, land disaster recovery. This is a follow up to the paper presentation last week. And I had a question because I know that there was a reference to a two year extension. And I clearly I heard it wrong because I thought it said 46 more opportunities. I think it was like four to six. So we just wanted to make sure we were clear on the status of what that request looks like or make sure we're clear for the record. Okay. So yes, during the presentation that we had during our previous community development committee presented the paper and we shared during that time as relates to disaster recovery program as we continue to close move forward to close that program out in terms of the disaster recovery. It was we received guidance from our HUD representative to ask for the backs in terms of the extension and the max extension is two years. So that as we continue to reconcile our jails, our accounts for the various activities that was approved above the disaster recovery program as we reconcile those jails funds that are left over. We want to try to utilize those dollars to provide further assistance to the folks that had not received assistance. And so with the guidance from HUD, our representative she recommended that we go ahead and act and submit the request in for two year extension so that it gives us the flexibility to utilize those dollars. It is still sitting in HUDs has not been approved yet. They are still waiting for some additional reconciliation as it relates to our jails and the previous activities. Okay. And just for folks clarity, so that let's say we budgeted something for 50,000 and we really, you know, the final spend was 40,000, you know, 48,002 dollars. That excess money then has to be reconciled and that's extra money that could possibly go to another project. That's correct. That's correct. I'm glad HUD didn't have to shut down Saturday night. We're glad to. We have several requests. Several questions about that. Any under usage of funds? Do those automatically get applied to over usage of funds on other particular properties? Well, over usage of funds? So you went high on one, saved money on the other? You want to see less of that? So I mean, you're closing out projects now? Yeah. I'm not supposed to go over budget, but that's where we want to see less of that. So that means we may not. Thank you, Leah. So that means we may not have any new projects. Was all the reconciliation is done? Yes, that was my question. That's a good question. I don't want to. That's why I invite Will out sometimes. I let Will go places with me for reasons like that. All right, with that said, I think any other questions on that? That's good clarity. All right. And then so since we do have five minutes and I'm sorry, I meant to acknowledge that Mr. Bob was here from Hyatt Park, a grocery store rebate program. And I'm sorry. Is that okay? Yes, we're really excited about it. Good. You want to speak into my sister here? And we have four whole minutes. That's why we're making an exception for you. Two and a half. And that is just to say that I live in the Hyatt Park neighborhood. It's a wonderful place. And I really like it. And it's also a food desert. We are aware of the fact that grocery stores are very low margin business. And so a that is based on gross sales can have a really big impact on the bottom line of grocery store. And that's one of the reasons I think that we have a lack of grocery stores. That we have a lack of grocery stores in our area. So I think that this could be a really good a really good incentive to get some folks to consider the North Maine area. And so I just we talked about it yesterday in a neighborhood association meeting and all of us agreed that we wanted to just make our support known and appreciate all the work that you're doing on this. Thank you. And I want to come in Hyatt Park too because they are one particular neighborhood that really worked on finding solutions and creating a farmer's market and just realizing how difficult this space is with providing healthy food and the demand and the timing and having the farmers who are available is not some people think is if we just and if you ever say if we just but it's a hard business but I commend you all for being really committed to finding a solution no matter what. Thank you. And you know that 29203 has the highest the largest largest number of amputations due to diabetes in the country. So in the country in the country and so this is a really this could be a big deal to really help those residents particularly low income mobility impaired folks you know this is a really important an important initiative that you're doing. Thank you Bob. We appreciate you being here. And what I'm going to do is I'm going to I'm going to talk about some of the important questions when you are asking me about status of affordable housing task force then that just needs to be an agenda item where we give an update on the affordable housing task force on where we are and so that's why I decided not to get into the affordable housing campaign. Does that make sense? do you have anything thank you for stepping in did we make it did I make it too hard no that all anybody out here all right well witness I think that we are going to adjourn if there are no objections thank you thank you