 Dr. Adams, thank you so much for being here. Glad to be here with you. We're so excited to talk to you on This Is Purdue. Why don't you just give us a little bit of your background for those who don't know you well in this Purdue role yet? Oh, where to begin? So I'll start most recently and go backwards. I was the 20th United States Surgeon General. So in the last 200 years, there have been twice as many presidents as there have been United States Surgeons General. And I was just a second African-American male to serve as Surgeon General of the United States. When I came into the role, I had to deal with three category five hurricanes that hit. And once we got that situation a little bit stabilized, it was dealing with the opioid epidemic, the epidemic before the pandemic. And then of course, COVID. So that's recently. But prior to that, I ran the Indiana State Department of Health. So for people here in the state who've been paying attention, I was the Dr. Box before Dr. Box. And so that was a really fun role, but also challenging role. Once again, several crises we had to deal with. I came in right at the beginning of Ebola and had to work with people throughout the state to make sure they were prepared for a potential Ebola case. Thank goodness we didn't get one, but we actually put in a tremendous amount of work to make sure we could screen people and have resources available if they needed it. And then after that, it was dealing with the NHIV outbreak in Scott County, Indiana, related to injection drug use. And then it was Zika and then it was a lead contamination situation in East Chicago. So crises tend to follow me. And before that, you and I knew each other back when I used to work at Indiana University School of Medicine, and I was specifically at Eskenazi Health, the county hospital in Marion County, working with the underserved, working with vulnerable populations, indigent populations, populations that didn't have the capacity to pay. And that really helped me understand the challenges that people face. And it informed my work as health commissioner and as surgeon general. And your new role at Purdue, tell us a little bit about it and what it consists Well, I have several honorifics, which I just have to say, I'm a little bit embarrassed. And, you know, I still feel like I have imposter syndrome, distinguished professor, and I'll be working with the School of Pharmacy and with the School of Public Health, College of Public Health in those roles. But the big role is really as executive director of House Equity initiatives. And President Daniels really looked at the landscape that exists and saw that, hey, we've got a lot of great things going on in public health and pharmacy, but also in ag and in engagement and in liberal arts. And these all are wonderful, but we need some coordination and we need some focus. And so really what I'm going to be doing is helping come up with a strategic plan to highlight, to showcase the things that are already going on here at Purdue and the health equity space, but also to help us continue to innovate and grow and work with the community, not just in West Lafayette, but throughout the state and throughout the nation. Yeah, that's amazing. And I've read that you have been interested in studying health equity for a long time. Why are you so passionate about that and tell us a little bit about your background in that? Well, let me go backwards a little bit for your listeners, because a lot of people don't know what health equity even is. And we talk about disparities. Person A has a different health outcome than person B. And we start digging into why that is. And we ask ourselves, is it because they don't have equal access to resources, equal access to health insurance, equal access to hospitals? And that is a first step. But we've got to understand equality doesn't get us to where we need to be. So I'll give an example that many people can relate to. You're trying to get into this building right here. And it's elevated somewhat. So there are steps. And everyone has the opportunity to take those steps. But what if you're a person who's disabled? Equality doesn't get you to where you need to be. It doesn't give you the access that you deserve relative to someone who is not disabled. And so equality in that sense may be providing a ramp for one person to go up and stairs for another person to go up. But then you get into the building and there's an elevator that can take you to the top floor. Well, the buttons are really high in the elevator. So if you're a child or someone who's shorter, you may not be able to reach that top button, whereas someone else who's taller may not even realize that it's a privilege to be able to reach that button and get to the top floor. So making sure those buttons are in a place that everybody can access them, that everyone has equitable opportunities to be able to be successful, to get into the building, to get to the top floor. And I wanted to say that first because we want people to have a common understanding of why this is important and how person A may be in a disadvantaged situation and person B unbeknownst to themselves or really not about anything that's their fault may be in a privileged situation. So now that you have that as context, I grew up in a rural community, grew up on a farm, an old tobacco farm. And as a matter of fact, irony there, given that I was the surgeon general of the United States and had the warning on the side of cigarette boxes, grew up poor. I'm African-American. That was the trifecta, poor African-American in rural for poor health. And not only did I suffer from asthma and in and out of the hospital quite frequently, but I saw many members of my family in and out of the hospital, many family members who died at a premature age, because they didn't have equal opportunities to make healthy choices, to eat fruits and vegetables, to be able to exercise, to get to hospitals where they could get preventative care or good treatment when they needed it. And that instilled in me this desire to focus on health equity and everything that I did. So when I was a physician, I chose to work at the county hospital, helping people who were like me. When I was state health commissioner, I focused on HIV and AIDS. I focused on people with substance use disorder. I focused on infant mortality to really highlight the problems that people face, but to come up with solutions to help them be their healthiest selves. And even a surgeon general of the United States beyond COVID, which is all anyone can think about now, we focused on uncontrolled high blood pressure, which disproportionately affects people of color and people in rural communities. I put out a call to action on maternal health, highlighting that women in the United States have much poorer outcomes and women of color have poorer outcomes yet around the time of childbirth. So that's really, you know, going back in my history to today, where that passion comes from for health equity. Thank you for sharing all that. I know there's a lot of things that able-bodied people probably don't think about, like the elevator buttons and ramps and all of those things. Are there any major goals that you're going to focus on in this role, like first thing when you start? Well, I'm going to come in and really start off by doing a survey. And when I say survey, I mean talking to all the people in these great departments across campus who are having an impact, already having an impact. Look at our vet school. And you go backwards, Ebola came from an animal vector. Zika came from an animal vector. Even COVID came from an animal vector. And so you've got the vet school here that people don't normally think of as being an instrument of promoting public health. We've got Ag, again, like I said, public health, pharmacy, the nursing school. You have so many assets here. And I'm going to start off by talking to the leaders of those institutions doing a survey and figuring out, okay, what assets do we have, and then how do we get everyone pointed in the right direction. But to be a little bit more specific, one of the things that I think is an asset here is the Purdue Extension Program. And all 92 counties, Purdue has educators across the state. And if we can leverage those educators across the state and really make sure we're coordinating our research and our outreach in a way that helps move the needle on certain issues. We're ranked 41st in terms of health of all 50 states in this country. Then we can move those overall metrics and outcomes in the right direction. Absolutely. And you grew up in Maryland. And then you've worked all across the state of Indiana. And as the Indiana State Health Commissioner, do you consider yourself a Hoosier now that you're back here? Would you claim that? So I grew up mostly in Maryland, went to undergrad in Maryland, chased a girl who was from Indiana to Indiana. And I've been here for 25 years. So I've actually lived in Indiana longer than I've lived anywhere else in my life. And that makes me feel like I have a kinship with Indiana. But what makes me a Hoosier is that I'm outnumbered at home. I've got a Hoosier wife, three Hoosier kids. I've even got a Hoosier dog. And so between that and my season tickets to the Coles, I think that makes me an honorary Hoosier, if not a full-blown Hoosier. And I actually associate myself with Indiana. Indiana has been good to me personally and professionally. I would have never been Surgeon General of the United States had I not come to Indiana. I likely wouldn't have had an opportunity to run a state health department had I not come to Indiana. So Indiana has given a lot to me and that's why it's an honor to come to a land grant institution like Purdue here in Indiana and to be able to continue to give back to the state. Yeah, and when you watched Purdue from afar, what were your impressions of what this institution stood for and what we were doing here? Well, Purdue has always stood for excellence from my standpoint. But I'll be honest, the focus that I always heard about was in engineering, astronauts, Neil Armstrong, and also agriculture in the veterinary schools. So if you're on a farm and you got a sick animal, you want them to go to Purdue. And so that's what I traditionally thought of. But what a lot of people don't know is that Purdue's Pharmacy College is the third oldest here on campus, goes back to the 1800s. And they've got a tremendous legacy here of success in the sciences beyond engineering. And I'm really excited about learning more about that and being a part of that. Now that said, I also am a basketball fan. And I've got a picture of Gene Cady and Bob Knight sitting at a table with my two boys. And I always think of Purdue as being a basketball school and a football school too, depending on the year. We're hoping that this year turns out to be a good year. But I'm excited to be a part of the campus and a part of that tradition also. Yeah, that's amazing. You'll have to listen to our Coach Painter interview on This is Purdue. We talked a lot about Coach Cady and their relationship and stuff. Well, he was wonderful. So I'm going to tell you a quick, really funny story. My father-in-law is a big IU fan. Okay. And so my boys are big IU fans. Even though my oldest to 17 said, Dad, I think I may want to go to Purdue because his cousin goes there. My niece is actually a freshman in the engineering school here. Name's Carly Gongoware. Carly, if you're listening, I love you. And everyone Carly Gongoware is my niece, so give her a hard time. But that said, my boys were at this Purdue fish fry. And Bob Knight is sitting next to Gene Cady. And my boys go up to Bob Knight and they're decked out in IU gear, and they want a picture with Coach. And Bob Knight will not take a picture with them because they had IU gear on. And Gene Cady goes, Bob, take a dang picture with the boys. And so Bob Knight takes a picture with my boys, but it is the best picture because Bob Knight has this total sour puss face on. He looks angry. And my boys at that time are like seven and eight years old. So he looks angry to be here next to these seven and eight-year-olds who are looking at him like he's a god because he's this IU coach who they've heard about. And I love that picture. I still have it on my phone and in my house. I love it because that's exactly what you think of when you think of Bob Knight. He looks like he's ready to throw the chair across the court as he's standing there next to my boys. And so were they intimidated by him or they just took the picture and got out of their hair? They took the picture and then ran away and got out of their hair, but they were happy as heck to go home and show the picture to their grandpa. It's just funny how basketball is such a tradition here in Indiana. It really is. And Coach Painter was saying there won't be probably ever that Coach Knight, Coach Katie, like the competition, the rivalry and all of that stuff, which is so true and it's such a fun tradition. So that brings me to my next question. Do you guys root for Purdue as a family? It sounds like there's a little bit of IU ties, but is there a certain athletics program that you're looking forward to coming to Gaines? Well, so I love basketball. I grew up, I went to the University of Maryland, which is now in the Big 10 too. And so I was excited when they joined the Big 10. And as far as IU and Purdue go, quite frankly, I think Purdue's been on the upswing in terms of basketball much more than IU has. And I'm more of an Indiana fan than Indiana University or Purdue University fan. So when I say Indiana fan, I mean the whole state. I think it's a good thing when teams from the state do well. So if Notre Dame is up, I'm going to root for them. If Purdue was up, I'm going to root for them. If IU was up, I'm going to root for them. Even though I have to admit, at that Purdue Notre Dame game last week, I was rooting for Purdue. I was hoping they would pull it out. I like to root for the underdog. And again, being a basketball fan, who are you going to root for now but Purdue? I mean, they're looking forward to the season. I really am. I know, we are too. And I know President- Coach Painter, I want to come and see a game and I want you to pull out a win for me. When I come. Yes. I hope he's listening. So when we talk about serving as a surgeon general, what was it like getting that call and accepting this huge honor? Well, it was surreal. It really was. I worked for then Governor Mike Pence. And so it's really cool to come here and work for former Governor Daniels. And I've been fortunate. I've been fortunate to have a relationship with Governor Holcomb, our current governor. Worked for him for a while. Worked for then Governor Mike Pence. And now I get to work for former Governor Daniels. But Mike Pence called me up and said, hey, I need you to come to D.C. And it's easy to forget. But it was a really tumultuous time. It was a time when the country was really in turmoil just because of the vitriolic election of 2016. And if I'm going to be honest, there were people who said you shouldn't go out there and do this. You shouldn't subject your family to this situation. But I'm a big believer in public service. Come from a military family. And and if you're called upon to serve, I think that you need to really think long and hard before saying no, because we're blessed that other people who came before us sacrifice their lives to sacrifice their talent and really worked hard to make this the great country and the great state that we have before us now. And so I thought about it long and hard. And I thought my wife was going to tell me no. And my wife said, no, if you have this opportunity, you absolutely need to go for it. And so went out to New York. It was when they were in Trump Tower and it was crazy. It was insane. There were people all around. There were police all around. And I'm walking into Trump Tower and my phone rings. And it's my mother-in-law who lives in Northern Indiana who calls me and she goes, you're on TV. You're on TV. And she's watching me walk into Trump Tower on national TV because they had the stream of who was coming in and out, got there early, thought that I'd have a little bit of time to myself, get off the elevator and it's Newt Gingrich and his wife sitting there in the office. So I'm immediately on and have to show them that I'm competent. And then they ask me to come into the office and it's me, President Trump. It is Reince Priebus, his chief of staff, and it's Bannon on the other side. And so you talk about an intimidating setting, but we had a great conversation. Believe it or not, we talked a lot about vaccines and I like to think that that conversation and then my relationship with the President may have played a part in him deciding to get his vaccination when he did and him supporting Operation Warp Speed as much as he did to get a vaccine available in record time. So I think when you're called to serve your country, you go and you serve your country if you can. And you never know in what ways you may be able to have a positive impact. Right. And you did have so many positive impacts. And even, like you said, we always focus on COVID. But before that, you had all of these other initiatives going and you had other issues you were facing. So when you put out that Surgeon General's report, tell us a little bit about that and why you chose to do that because it was the first of its kind. Yes, yes. So well, two things that I'm incredibly proud of, and I'll go, I'll tell you the one before the Surgeon General's report really quickly. But one of the things I'm most proud of was an aloxone advisory. So I recognized coming in, particularly coming from Indiana, that we had an epidemic. There was a person dying of an opioid overdose every 11 minutes in this country. And particularly in Indiana, I worked with Justin Phillips, who leads overdose lifeline, to help provide naloxone and lower the stigma around naloxone in the state of Indiana. So when I became Surgeon General, that experience really made me think, how can I use my bully pulpit while it's to lower stigma around substance misuse and increase the availability of life-saving naloxone. So I put out the first Surgeon General's advisory in over 10 years, calling on more people to carry naloxone. And the amount of naloxone dispensed in this country went up 400% after that advisory. So I'm really proud of that because I was able to use my bully pulpit to save lives, to save lives. But the other report that I put out was about community health and economic prosperity. And it was really making the case that America's poor health is not just a medical issue, it is an economic issue. Sure. And you look at communities now across Indiana, they don't have enough healthy workers to be able to go to a company and really convince the company to come to their town because people have substance use disorder, people have diabetes, people have smoking-related illnesses, and it impacts their ability to be able to participate in the workforce fully. And so I've worked with the Chamber of Commerce, I've worked with the UVA Darden School of Business, and I hope to be able to work with the Cranett School of Business now that I'm here on campus, to really make the case to businesses that when you invest in healthy communities, you're not just improving individual health, you're creating a healthy bottom line. Healthier workers are more likely to show up and more likely to be productive when they're at work, and they're going to cost you less. The average person with diabetes cost $5,000 more per year in healthcare expenses to their company than someone who doesn't have diabetes. So even when you look at things like stagnant wage growth, imagine if you had that extra money to give to someone as a raise as opposed to having to spend it to pay ever-rising healthcare costs, $20 billion a year in lost productivity just from diabetes, one disease just from diabetes. Imagine what could happen if we had that money to be able to raise people's wages. And so if we can improve people's health by giving them better opportunities for health, complete streets, access to fruits and vegetables, smoke-free environments, then again we're going to help our business community out and we're going to have a healthier workforce and more people are going to want to come to Indiana, but to the point more people are going to want to stay in Indiana. You don't want to educate all these wonderful people here at Purdue, only to see them leave and go to another state. We want them to feel like Indiana is the place to be, to raise a family, to be healthy and to live a long life. Yeah, that's a great point. And you have a personal tie to the opioid crisis, your brother battles addiction. How did you as a surgeon general, you know you're talking about you have this huge audience and you have this chance to serve, what kind of initiatives did you put forward? You talked a little bit about it I know earlier, but tell us about that experience, like being able to lead the country and have that personal tie at the same time. Well you know I'm a person who very much believes in leading by example and who also I try to bring my authentic self to everything that I do and you know one of the things that people would say when they would look at me and Tony Fauci and we were often on TV together is that Tony was very professorial and very authoritative and people said I felt like you were my neighbor. And I think we were a good yin and yang because I speak to people the way I speak to my neighbor, the way I speak to my mother or my grandmother. And you share stories and I share the story about my family's struggle with addiction even though it was painful and it was painful. While I was surgeon general of the United States, my own brother was in jail due to crimes that he committed to support his addiction and you look at that dichotomy there, grew up in the same household, same parents, one person is in the highest office in the land in the White House between the president and the vice president, the other person is in a jail cell struggling with addiction. And so I would share that story more than anything because a lot of my initiatives as surgeon general were designed around lowering stigma and stigma is when we separate ourselves into us and them and us we're good and them they're bad. But the fact is there are few families that have been spared from struggles with addiction, whether it's substance misuse or traditional opioid misuse or math or alcoholism or food addictions or other sorts of addictions out there. Few families have been spared but we're embarrassed to talk about it because we think we're them and everybody else is in that category of the good us. And so when I shared my stories I was shocked but also it made me feel better to know that after every single time I talk about my brother someone would say my family struggled with that too and if the surgeon general of the United States can publicly talk about it then maybe that makes it okay. I contend that stigma actually kills more people than fentanyl or heroin because stigma keeps people in the shadows. It keeps them from asking for help. It keeps us from being willing to give help when you look at naloxone in Narcan and medication assisted treatment. And so all of my efforts were really focused around lowering stigma whether it was around naloxone or I put out a surgeon general spotlight on opioids helping educate people about the fact that addiction is a disease. It is a disease and not a moral failing. No one wakes up in the morning and says today I'm going to become addicted to heroin. There are pathways that we can mitigate and that's part of what I want to do in this role as the director of health equity initiatives is look at how we can go upstream and educate children at a young age. Disrupt these supply chains that actually lead to people like my brother being exposed to opioids at a young age. And ultimately make this a better world, a more inclusive world for all of us. Well thank you for sharing that story with our listeners as well. So when it comes to COVID-19 and the pandemic and you know you were in in the administration when this all happened tell us a little bit about this journey. You know it's happened what once it's a once in a lifetime thing probably for a lot of us to experience something like this. And what did you think about the way like health information was shared everything that's been going on since the pandemic since vaccines are widely available now? Can you touch a little bit about that? Well absolutely I mean it was it was again an insane experience a once in a lifetime experience. In many ways I mean we had a once in a century pandemic we haven't had anything like this scientifically or medically since the flu epidemic of 1918. But you have to remember superimposed on top of that was a presidential election. Perhaps the most divisive presidential election of most of our lifetimes. And so no matter what you said it got politicized. Your pro mask I'm assuming you lean one way. Your anti mask I'm assuming you lean another way. Your pro vaccine, your anti vaccine, your pro closures, your pro reopenings. These are medical and health questions but even when I say them your listeners are thinking oh well that's a democrat well that's a republican. And that made it incredibly incredibly challenging to deal with this pandemic to work through this pandemic. And so it's interesting that you bring up communication and misinformation because I've been having conversations with some of the folks here on campus already in the communications department and the dean the dean over the libraries about how we can really get accurate information out to the public. And in a world where trust of government is at an all-time low and trust of healthcare institutions and scientists is at a low point. I think that the brand of Purdue is something that really can help people across Indiana and beyond regain trust in science and in the scientific process. And that's that's what I think is going to have to be an important part of our health equity initiatives here because not everyone has equitable access to the information they need to make a healthy choice. And so I want to bring it back to vaccines because I've always tried to promote vaccines but I always try to look historically at what's happened to different populations and understand why they might have distrust. The african-american community for instance people often talk about the tuskegee experiments. 42 years the federal government led by the office of the surgeon general the office that I have overseen for the last three years denied african-americans treatment for syphilis in a government study and lied to them told them they were getting treatment and they weren't giving them treatment 42 years. So it's not a surprise that you see certain populations now have a distrust of a government intervention that to many people feel like it came out came about really fast. And so what I would say to your listeners is it's okay to have questions you should absolutely ask questions about your health and medical treatments but what's not okay is to make decisions based on misinformation. If your basement was flooded and your toilet was overflowing you'd go to a plumber you wouldn't say well some guy on tiktok says says to do this and so I'm not going to listen to what my plumber says that I should do. I don't know why we're in a world now where people will say I'm not going to listen to a doctor or 90% of doctors out there 90 plus percent of doctors have gotten vaccinated but they'll say I'll listen to tiktok and so I want people to get have access to information from people they trust and I think Purdue is a brand that's trusted I also would tell people to listen to your doctor your doctor or your nurse because people may not trust the medical establishment in general but they typically trust their doctor their nurse their pharmacist and and I'm excited to work to get proper information out to folks because misinformation is a true public health threat. And I've noticed you're very active on social media and your I think this goes back to what you're saying about your it's kind of like talking to a neighbor or a friend because you're really fun on Twitter and as the US surgeon general I was not expecting when I was looking at your Twitter some of your stuff you just crack jokes and why do you use social media is it partly to tell people the truth and to try to like make people aware of talking to your doctor figuring out if the vaccine is right for you and and that kind of stuff or do you simply just have like to have fun on it or how did you get involved on Twitter so the answer is yes I'm an extrovert and I love engaging and interacting with people so if you see me walking along campus any of the the listeners out there say hi yeah you know ask me your your medical questions I enjoy engaging with people regardless about any topic but I also enjoy being able to impart the the knowledge the wisdom that I've gained over the years as a physician as a public health professional to help people be their healthiest selves and so Twitter allows me to do both of those two things and sometimes when I'm on Twitter I'm just complaining about my kids that I'm a dad I've got a 17 a 15 and an 11 year old my two older kids are just starting to drive my 11 year old daughter is in that preteen stage and whoa sometimes you just need to go on Twitter and vent about the the insane things that are going on and and get an amen from the from the from the folks on Twitter but but I found that it's a really good way to reach people and here's the thing too we have to rethink the way we we engage the public the majority of people out there get their medical information on social media or on the internet and so we can say talk to your doctor or we can say go to the library or go to a trusted source and yes that is the gold standard I don't want to poo poo that but we also have to understand that our target audience may not go to their doctor it may you know going there once a year is not going to be able to get their questions answered the other 365 days of the year they're not going to go to the library and so we've got to be on tiktok we've got to be on instagram we've got to be on on twitter and on facebook and so follow me at Jerome Adams md on on twitter and again ask me questions because not only am I on there posting but what people are more often shocked about is that I would reply yeah I mean and and and I'll engage with people because if they're respectful and they're asking um uh questions then uh I want to make sure they're getting their questions answered by someone who actually um went to medical school has a public health background instead of them waiting to get their question answered from someone who may have another agenda or who at the very least may not know what the heck they're talking about right right and you touched on your family your kids um what do they think about this new role and you be not Purdue well um I've got one son who um again very much uh says he wants to go to Purdue so he's really excited I've got one son who um is leading more towards IU so we've got some time to convince him um and uh I think the kids overall are excited because they're their cousin and uh their cousin Carly is someone who they really look up to she's in the engineering school female so I mean she's defying the odds uh and to be a female and to get into Purdue one of the top engineering schools in the country coming from rural Indiana herself um they're they really look up to her and so um I'm excited for uh for what the next several years bring and I hope to be able to uh make my family part of the Purdue family even if uh not all my kids go here I hope that they feel like this is a place that can that can become home to them yeah absolutely and you probably had so many different interesting opportunities presented to you after all the time you've served why Purdue uh that's a great question too and um number one my wife is from here my kids are from here the dog is from here I told you we took the dog out east and the dog got sick and almost died so we're like we got to get the dog back to Indiana um my family um feels like Indiana's home so we wanted to be in Indiana number one and that and that caused me to have to say no to a lot of opportunities where they wanted me to move to to New York or to California or to Minnesota um but then there's the the legacy of Purdue and what's great about Indiana is you have some fantastic institutions you don't have to leave to be able to do great things you've got Cummins you've got Eli Lilly um you've got Purdue you have these brands that are known Neil Armstrong I mean you've got these brands that are known across the world right here in Indiana and so to get a call from Purdue um you know that that's something that you you say I've got to listen to I've got to consider and then finally President Daniels and President Daniels is someone who people highly respect and I don't think people on Purdue's campus even know uh how highly he is respected for his leadership for the way he um he moves the ball on important issues and uh and so Mitch Daniels Purdue Indiana it was something that I had to consider and so uh I started talking to to folks because of those reasons and got to find out about all the great things going on on campus in the health equity space already and I said if I can be a part of that on top of this cluster higher they're about to hire um 15 new faculty to focus on health equity across the entire campus so that's just an energy and excitement that uh that really sealed the deal for me and again um couldn't be more pleased to be starting here and uh and for what comes next that's amazing well we thank you so much for your time um and it was a pleasure talking to you it's absolutely a pleasure talking to you too coach painter um make sure uh you save me a ticket for for one of those games we've got to get these kids up here and convince them to come to Purdue so that they can be boiler makers too I got three of them and I got to convince them to come here and I'm drafting you to be a part of that yeah I think a little behind the scenes tour yeah works okay thanks dr adam thank you