 And because you're going into like these mainstream media outlets and you're kind of they kind of pitch you as like the extreme vegan And then you get told you're too aggressive. You're too forceful. Yeah, what like why do you keep that? Like you've never kind of Molified your approach. You you remain really yeah, you use the strong language. You're really direct Do you find that it's effective like to be this forceful? Well, it depends on who you're talking to and I like I Was always talked to always speak forcefully when you're speaking for animal rights, you know For me, this is a serious issue animals being abused and I want people to take animal abuse seriously so I don't want to be seen as someone who's going to take these these things lightly and When I go on TV, especially they always have someone who's anti-vegan or someone who's really opposing the position and I will defend the animals vehemently and For me Like coming from where I come from I appreciate that direct approach and it was someone like a Gary Rofsky who was very direct and spoke Very passionately and he spoke the truth and he didn't panda and he said how he said it how it was and you know This is how like I think we need to give People more credit like people are adults, you know They can handle the truth and they don't need need me to pat them on the back every five minutes Like I'm an animal defender and you know, some people just need to be told straight Look, you're abusing animals through your lifestyle. This has to stop. Um, I Have tried the the more gentle, you know socratic approach and I'm a big advocate of the socratic method But for me like if I want someone defending me if I want some defending like a child from being abused It's got to be direct. It's got to be a no BS approach And when you've got seven minutes, you got to cut in but for me, I've got to cut in I've got to say what I have to say and You know, I've had I've had a lot of success with the way I do things not everyone's the same individual, you know Some people love like a lover fling Eddie's like one of my favorite activists But not everyone jails with his approach and some people need the the intent I need to be told and yeah That's an interesting point that like you're speaking to I suppose your past self what he would have needed to hear And also like how I feel like I feel like it's more effective To be direct because if I could leave someone with a question in their mind or I could just give someone the truth Right there and then yeah, what it actually is So so I feel like people need to be held accountable for their contribution to something that is horrific And if we don't hold people accountable Why would they change like I changed out of you know feeling responsible and out of guilt and I didn't want to be a hypocrite anymore That's why I changed. Why would you change your past behavior if you're not motivated to you know? And I feel like for me if like we need all these different types of approaches But we need us all saying the same thing, you know, so Like let's just say my demeanor or you know, I might be a bit too aggressive for someone If they fall onto the the more Sort of gentle activist, but we're both saying exactly the same thing. You're paying for animals to be stabbed to death Okay, but they say it in a nicer way Then they're gonna fall back onto that person to be like well the message is the same at least right, you know So no matter how you choose to do it if you're not like me and you choose to do it You know with a different demeanor the message should still be the same we shouldn't like we shouldn't Enable Someone's choice to do something that's obviously cruel because if you were on the other end of the knife You wouldn't want someone to enable the oppressor to do what they do to you So that's how I look at it. I look at it from the victim's perspective. Yeah, it's awesome. It's really bold. It's really like It's a bold form of activism because a lot of the time you're putting this message out there People won't like you but the message kind of remains. I think it's really cool. Yeah props to you