 Hey everyone I am Nathanian Rufflejance, your local boss man and on today's episode Nintendo is doomed. Well first off I want to say hey I got this new screen behind me, new background, it's doing crazy things. Yeah I got myself a green screen and some lighting which you can't see because it's off-screen but it's making everything look all beautiful yeah I want to say thank you to some fine folks they're from photo studio that's the name of the company photo studio they provided me the light green screen I bought myself but they provided me the lights for free so it's kind of nice of them so thank you for that but today on the boss man we're talking about Nintendo we're talking about why they're doomed so this week Nintendo dropped a few bomb shells and I wasn't even planning to talk about this stuff this week although it was for a future episode obviously it's happening now because Nintendo's news happened now and Nintendo's going mobile they're going mobile they are going mobile they're gonna have brand new games released on mobile they're not rereleasing any of their old content so if you're looking for them to put out rehashes or to say put a link to the past on the phone or the old Super Mario Brothers on your phone it's not happened Nintendo was very adamant and it especially became true as we started reading interviews by Time Magazine from Mr. Iowata himself that they are not going to be bringing their old games to mobile phones and tablets that's something Nintendo is very staunch about so you are not going to see any game Nintendo has already released on a mobile device which almost seems a little odd to me because I think Pokemon shuffle a game or that they released in the 3ds or rush these real deal baseball I feel like those games would work very well in the mobile platform but Nintendo is saying no we're not putting any of our current games that are out and released on it so do not expect to see Pokemon shuffle or rusty's real deal baseball or Zelda or Mario or Pokemon or any of those current games that exist on Nintendo's platforms on a mobile device it's gonna be all brand new games it's also important to know that Pokemon has already made its foray a little bit into the mobile world and that can happen because Nintendo doesn't actually own the Pokemon company they do not own Game Freak they own some shares in Game Freak and they have the full game like the mainline game exclusivity rights but Pokemon itself has been on mobile for quite some time in various ways so now Nintendo is gonna out it's actual IP that it owns 100% appear on mobile devices and that has fans freaking out freaking out the end of Nintendo they're all going mobile they're gonna stop making game hardware stop making the games I love and they're going mobile because they're gonna get rich so they're doomed that seems to be the reactions I've been getting from the internet in the past few days and I I understand it to some degree but Nintendo doomed what what does that even mean in the past people have been predicting Nintendo's doom for 20 plus years now pretty much ever since they got into the video game realm and you would figure if the doom part of it is that they're gonna make so much money on mobile that they're not gonna do game hardware anymore then how are they doomed if anything they're more profitable than ever so they're definitely not doomed in that way but this gets more into Nintendo leaving the hardware business and I think this is what fans are afraid of and this is why they're saying they're doomed because they don't really like mobile games so if Nintendo stops making Zelda they stop making 3d Mario games they stop making Metroid and all these great franchises that we love in a way that we prefer to play them which would be with a controller you know even if it's not with your gamepad you know something that has controls on it you know buttons and joysticks and stuff you know if they stop doing that we worry that we're not gonna enjoy their games as much and that we're just not gonna care and that they're just gonna be for the casuals and I understand I understand the fear to kind of quench this fear or put it out or try to put out the flames I did announce that they have new hardware coming which should be no surprise we knew they were hiring you know last year and the year before they were hiring a couple people to make new hardware or to work on ideas for the new hardware and we also know that this new hardware is gonna work with their new membership program which is gonna replace Club Nintendo and heck it might even affect Nintendo Network IDs we aren't 100% sure we'll probably find out some news about it at E3 since they plan to launch this membership program at the end of the year yeah we're probably gonna find out about this membership program at E3 but the idea is that I wanted to put out that we are not giving up on game hardware right now we have a new hardware system coming we're gonna talk about it next year which means the hardware is gonna get they're gonna unveil they're unveiling new hardware next year I mean this is Bravo Nintendo new hardware I get really excited about new hardware and the reasons that I get excited for new hardware mostly stem from from excitement over new hardware I mean I have the new Nintendo 3ds I don't have it on me to show you but I have the new Nintendo 3ds and I love it and something Reggie said is that they're gonna treat hardware kind of like the new Nintendo 3ds which to me sounds like they're gonna start treating hardware like Apple does where you don't necessarily have a new piece of hardware every year but you have kind of a slightly upgraded hardware in between generations so they launched a 3ds in 2011 they launched the new Nintendo 3ds this year in 2015 or late last year so you're looking at a three to four year window where they launched a new upgraded system and if they're gonna start treating the future like that in theory they could launch new hardware if they announce it next year it's probably not released until the year after because that's how Nintendo does things they're not like Sony and Microsoft where they launched they launched hardware the same year they announced it Nintendo always announces it about a year and a half before they launch it so if they announce it next year then they're gonna have a year and a half later in 2017 holiday 2017 they're gonna launch new hard what this new hardware could be is anyone's guess and I'm gonna get spend a good chunk of this episode you're talking about that hardware in 2017 it could be a new system to replace the Wii U the 3ds is gonna be way dated and ready for replacement and this also argues that the new 3ds and new Nintendo 3ds actually to bridge the gap until 2017 and that makes a lot of sense and I think Nintendo might start doing this with their home console and with their handheld so if they launched two new systems in 2017 then we might not see new systems again until 2023 2024 because three years are so into the lifespan of the next home console and the next handheld they might offer upgraded versions of them for people to optionally buy and it's still gonna mostly play the old content that the other system does but it'll play some games that maybe it the old system does not such as Xenoblade Chronicles 3d in addition there's all the bonuses they can look at in the future as an example say they offered an upgraded version of the Wii U the upgraded version of the Wii U could play all Nintendo games in 1080p and all of them in 60 FPS and that's a really minor thing that's not something a lot of consumers are gonna be like oh I need to go buy this because it's 1080p 60 FPS but then at the same time those that want that product that want that improved experience probably going to be willing to go plunk down the money for and I think that's where the upgrades can work and I know some fans get oh man I got to spend you know two 300 bucks on a new system every few years okay well we already do it for our mobile devices I mean it's not really a whole lot different with our video game systems and the way technology advances really shouldn't we want this why do we want to play an extremely outdated system for six or seven years just to justify the initial price we jumped in on I guess I don't know gaming's expensive and I think Nintendo is starting to understand that people who buy game consoles and game handhelds and you know put by their ps4s and their Xbox ones and then we use they're the kind of people that are okay spending money on video games they're kind of a niche crowd now that doesn't mean that niche crowds not you know bigger than we think it could be an 80 million or so plus crowd but there's a lot bigger crowd on mobile devices you're gonna get a lot more people buying your mobile games potentially especially if they're free to play or you know really cheap one dollar games compared to buying your home console stuff well that doesn't mean there's not a crowd for it and I think Nintendo's recognizing this that that the PlayStation 4 and what it's doing right now and it's 20 plus million console sales in just over a year is insane and it's doing it because it's catering to a niche crowd it's it completely ignoring the kind of people that like mobile games and it's focusing strictly on the the hardcore gamers as it were and I hate using that term hardcore I think it's just more of a gamers that have money and want richer experiences I guess and Nintendo recognizes this and I think they're recognizing that one way that they could do it different than the competition is not only release a platform that's competitive and appeals on its own and I think Nintendo is starting to realize that games alone do not sell systems if that was true the Wii U would be the number one selling system in the history of Nintendo as far as I'm concerned with the quality of games they have I personally think that the Wii U contains the best stable of games Nintendo's ever made and this is my personal opinion this is not a fact and I'm just talking about Nintendo games I think the Super Nintendo had the best overall library but the Wii U for me has Nintendo's best games they've ever made and I love that and we still have Zelda U coming later this year to get all excited about and I think that potentially could be the best Zelda ever made I think that of whatever he's out the game that comes out so don't get all oh man here he goes again it certainly looks like it's gonna appeal to me and Nintendo I think is starting to realize that games alone do not sell hardware I mean yeah some people will buy a Wii U this fall to play Zelda U some bought at the play smash some bought at the play Mario Kart some bought at the play Donkey Kong last spring this is true this is all true but not a lot of people and yet the PlayStation 4 doesn't have a lot of games a lot of exclusive games a lot of good games as it were they're kind of lacking that big blockbuster hit that would sell systems yet they're already breaking records in first-year sales with 20 plus million consoles so and I think Nintendo is taking a lesson out of that they're learning that games alone don't sell you got to make something that appeals to the people that you're trying to sell to and the system itself can appeal to those people a system that's powerful that people find is a value by it's $400 to buy a PlayStation 4 is more expensive than both the Xbox one and the Wii U but people still buy it more than either console and they buy it because they think it's a value buy they view what's in the box to be worth more than what they're spending on it so they look at it as oh the PlayStation 4 looks like it should be a $600 system what they're selling for 400 bucks feels like a deal so they're gonna buy it on top of that they're buying it for potential that they see that current games that are coming out in it that may not excite them aren't 1080p they're in 60 FPS they're in this they're in that they're better they're a step ahead of what the competition is doing and they say okay well a future game I like say the last Guardian that may never come out they might buy it on the potential that game might come out and that might be in 1080p and that might be 60 FPS and that might be a game that blows their minds I think Nintendo's starting to realize this so they want to go about it more the Apple way though they like the way Apple does things with the iterations of the phones and they like the unified operating system and Nintendo's gonna do that so for starters that's that's to spell something right now mobile does not mean no more hardware Nintendo is going to continue to do hardware until it's no longer profitable the Wii U is profitable right now and if the Wii U last another one to let's say the Wii U gets another two and a half to three years out of it starting from today which is pretty reasonable if it comes out in 2017 this 2015 right now you're looking at about two and a half years worth of content and sales left for that system so the Wii is profitable now and it remains profitable through the end of its life which why wouldn't it it's probably gonna make more money for Nintendo than it lost the last two years and it lost quite a bit the last two years but if it's making money now and the big games are coming out now and Zelda use coming out and you know maybe another 3d Mario even though they said 3d Mario is not coming to the next system which is fine maybe they're planning to launch the next system with it the point is is that they're making money on it now and they're gonna continue to make money on it they already make money in the 3ds it's gonna be a profitable generation for them just not as profitable as they thought it would be when you throw that in there Nintendo's gonna keep making hardware until they're not making money anymore and it can't just be not making money for a couple years it's gotta be not making money for you know five six seven years you know which would expand you know one or two generations in a row of not making money and then you can see Nintendo hardware it also helps at Miyamoto their main you know designer the god in gaming likes and prefers making game on Nintendo hardware so as long as he's around there's obviously gonna be Nintendo hardware because he thinks that they could do things with Nintendo hardware the competition doesn't and one example I just gave is the fact that they can offer hardware upgrades they can release a system that essentially does it is basically a PlayStation 4 or next system could be the same specs as a PlayStation 4 for all I care okay that could be a PlayStation 4 with the Wii U pro controller with a pro controller style controller and they can improve their online network get voice chat going give us all the features yeah give us twitch streaming whatever give us all the features the other consoles have so it's basically a PlayStation 4 that's a Nintendo branded and then it you know third party's got a reason to bring games over the port it because now it matches in more closely architecture and power and Nintendo games will be on it and people will buy it because it's got Nintendo games and they might buy it party games and it's something to get excited about but then you say oh well the PlayStation 4 and PlayStation 5 is gonna be coming out you know PlayStation 5 will be in 2017 it will have been it will have been four years so you figure PlayStation 5 coming out in two years so how can the next system combat the PlayStation 5 well simple by the time the PlayStation 5 comes out Nintendo can offer an upgrade system it might not be as powerful as the PlayStation 5 but it could you know save throw four more gigs of ramen throw an extra core on the processor you know maybe a slightly beefier GPU they could do that and it could play all the old games and be totally cross compatible with the old console however there's gonna be a few exclusives here and there and then if that system blows up then that's gonna be what you're gonna make all your games for and suddenly it plays all the old Wii U games backwards compatible now cross compatible and it plays on the new games and then their next system after that can either be a full new system or it could be another hardware upgrade and then they could offer more system that and it's backwards compatible with the old games and with the Wii U games and before you know it you're starting to offer an ecosystem where no matter when you release a game it always plays on whatever the current hardware is and I think that's what Nintendo is going for on the PlayStation 4 doesn't play PlayStation 3 games okay PlayStation 5 might not play PlayStation 4 games and I say this because even though the PlayStation 3 played PlayStation 2 games right away it only did it for a short time the Xbox 360 played Xbox games but not all of them only select games and the Xbox one doesn't play Xbox 360 games so one thing PlayStation is doing is they're making a streaming service and I don't think Nintendo is really into the streaming service because there's downfalls of that you have to have a fast internet connection this is before we get into any problems that their servers could have communicating over long distances you got to have fast internet and not everybody has that and that alone is going to very really limit where you could bring the PlayStation network to and and the PlayStation now or whatever it's called so I think it's a great idea I applaud Sony for trying to basically be the Netflix of video games but it's a lot harder it's not easier to stream a show than it is to stream a video game because you have to put input into that video game and so there's got to be cross communication between user and server and I don't know that that's going to go over very well or that we're ready for that or that we don't have fiber internet everywhere okay if fiber internet was the thing worldwide to be that be what we're doing but Nintendo has the ability to upgrade their hardware and do something different be the apple of video game hardware and I think that's great and I think it could work and I think what I want is trying to do with the mobile games are saying okay we recognize that there's a lot of mobile and a lot of smart device players so we could bring our IP over there bring them brand new experiences be it a new Dr. Mario type game links crossbow training to you know mini games from Zelda over or whatever they do they could introduce people to the franchise try to get more fans okay hey I really like this Zelda game on the app channel and I just saw a commercial for this brand new legend of Zelda game for Wii U or for NX or for whatever the next console is and like you know what I recognize that from my phone and they look into it like whoa this blows my mind this is way better than my phone game oh it's 60 bucks I gotta buy this new hardware for it but wait now that there's this new Mario game to and I put from my phone they start recognizing they're playing you know four or five six different Nintendo games on their phone and they start recognizing these bigger games and I want us hope is that they see these bigger games and they want these bigger games and they go by the hardware to play these bigger games so kind of like they hope the Wii would kind of be an introduction for gamers and then get them into the Wii U well what happened was the Wii became an introduction for gamers and then they just stayed playing those type of games that they moved on to the PlayStation 4 or Xbox one now Nintendo is going to try to do the same thing but with mobile devices which will always be around and then bring that over to their hardware and then hoping it translates to sales and hey it could work I mean let's be real it could work it could also totally fail Nintendo's hardware could tank and then we could obviously eventually see a day in time hardware anymore and that's what people are afraid of I still want Nintendo hardware don't you I think there's enough I think there's enough people out there that still want Nintendo hardware that they're going to they're going to continue to buy it and if they start offering stuff that appeals to other people who own other pieces of hardware they very well could turn it around and suddenly they are doing really well mobile really well on the home console and portable console side and then they're doing really well with their quality of life device there's a potential that Nintendo could really blow up here and actually get bigger than Sony and arguably they've been bigger than Sony for a while until the PlayStation 4 hits here's what I want Nintendo's hardware to be and I haven't really got much into this so when you see the term NX I think of Nintendo cross I say this because X in Japan usually means cross okay so if you remember they announced the game on Fire Emblem X Shigemi Tensei or Tensu or whatever there's an X in between that X means cross over okay the crossing those games over into each other and X in other games over there often means crossover it doesn't always mean the Neuro ennuma 10 now obviously Mega Man X kind of meant Mega Man 10 time but it really didn't it really was its own thing but the point is is that X means cross in Japan and since this is the term coming from Iowa which means is coming from Japan that to me says crossover okay so what they're going to do and Nintendo's talked about this before is trying to unify their their divisions there's their handheld and their hardware so what they're gonna do is they're gonna have and I'm putting this on record I would really believe this is gonna happen they're gonna make there's gonna be two systems let's start with that they're still gonna be handheld system they're still going to be a home console they are not gonna completely combine them and make a hybrid system I say this because I don't I don't think it's they'd have to make a system that's 100% portable that basically plug a cord into and then plug it into your TV and I don't I don't think that's realistic or even if you have to buy a wireless box to communicate either way you want that hardware directly plugged into your TV I don't think they're doing that I think what they're going to do is they're gonna have a new console yes it's gonna be probably at least as powerful as the PlayStation 4 and I say that because by that time that kind of I kind of harbors gonna be cheap okay it is it's gonna be cheap they're gonna be able to sell that system for 250 dollars easy they might push 300 just because especially the PlayStation 4 is still 400 but 250 bucks they can release it at heck they might even go a step further okay so let's say they do another Wii U where it's a slightly ahead of the previous generation okay that's fine but they're also gonna announce that they're gonna have like two systems okay they're gonna have that and then they're gonna have a premium system they're gonna have that $500 system okay this is just for the home console side there's gonna be a $500 system that $500 system is gonna do everything the old system does plus have extra hardware and so the extra hardware allows you to stream the extra hardware allows you to have 1080p 60 FPS on every game on the extra hardware allows you to do a lot of different things and there might potentially be some exclusive games but a majority of the games are gonna be made cross compatible just with extra features on the more powerful hardware okay that's the home console side so they're gonna we're gonna stick with their basic and their premium package like they did with the Wii U so the differences are gonna be a lot more drastic that's why there's gonna be a bigger price difference between them because there's gonna be a drastic difference between them because they're they're gonna offer versions what I'm saying but then for the handheld there's gonna be one handle that launch okay it's it's gonna be I feel it's gonna be one screen only and I say this because they're gonna start moving all their touchscreen ideas and touchscreen gameplay concept let's start moving that to mobile so they're gonna go back to one screen so you're gonna see something like this it's not gonna be this big this is Wii U gamepad is pretty big they're not gonna because this isn't portable they're probably gonna ditch the clamshell design and that's fine the DS had its heyday the 3ds had his heyday it's time to ditch the design so we're gonna go something similar to this screen is probably gonna be smaller probably more like this big I'm hoping that they go with the IPS screen they've done the IPS LCD screen on the new Nintendo 3ds XL only so chances are they're gonna do that and I'm hoping they bump the resolution a little bit past 480p hopefully up to 720p hopefully they can get all the way up to that kind of resolution they're gonna have you know at least one joystick hopefully two or thumbsticks you know if they decide to the sliders otherwise it's gonna be a lot pretty similar to what the 3ds is now would be for your hardware and a better screen and the screen will probably still be a 3d display I'm guessing I don't think Nintendo's abandoning the 3d display so you're still gonna have your two cameras up here and the two cameras in the back because they're gonna make it compatible with old 3ds so they're gonna want you experience them in 3d on here especially the old 3ds games that do not require the touch screen they might offer patches that like play it on here but even if they don't let's say they ditch it they it's not compatible with 3ds game it's fine they're making this compatible for the future not for the past so they're trying to unify everything now okay so you're gonna have the games on here so what I think is gonna happen and this is me personally and what they're going to do is they're going to take the games that are playable on this on your handheld system remember I'm not talking about the Wii U right now I'm using this as an example for a handheld system of the future okay they're gonna take the games from this and they're gonna make it playable on your home console system okay so you could buy games for this but play it on your home console system now how is that they could stream from this they could they could make it so the hardware from this does why do these communicate in stream now as I talked about that's not ideal you know what to play on here and then play on the screen but just bear with me okay they could find a way to make it work okay but let's say you stream from this to your home console that beams it to your TV and then you're playing your mobile game on your TV that's entirely possible they could also make it so this system just has a little plug-in and you plug it into a USB spot on your home console and you just set it down and you plug the game in and you play and now it's just like the Game Boy play that you used to be able to buy for the Super Nintendo where you plugged it in on the bottom and you could play all your Game Boy games so they could do that and they've done this in the past they could do it again with this so suddenly you could buy games for this and play it on your system you could also buy say a $20 add-on you know say you don't want to own this but you really want to play the news all the game on handheld well you could buy a $20 add-on it does the same thing you plug into the USB cable you put it in the cartridge or whatever they end up using and tada suddenly you're playing your mobile games in your TV so now your home console can play these mobile games and they can play the home console game what's the home console then got to do with this how our console games gonna come to this well I don't know that Nintendo is gonna try to do with the PS Vita does PlayStation Vita and the PlayStation or the PSP you were able to take those systems on the go connect to the internet and try to wirelessly communicate with your system and play games remotely like that I don't know that Nintendo is gonna try that I the only reason I say they're not going to is because it kind of doesn't work really well outside of the home as it is with the PlayStation Vita and the PSP so I don't know that Nintendo is gonna do that what they're going to do is they're going to make this handheld system become exactly what this is this is the Wii U gamepad they're gonna make the handheld system become a gamepad they're gonna make it so you can wirelessly communicate with your console and stream those console games to your your handheld screen and be able to play your console games on your hand and how this is gonna be different than what the game pad does is for starters the console is not going to come with the handheld system so games are going to be designed for the touchscreen for the streaming or whatever they end up doing with the screen okay it's not gonna be designed for that however it doesn't have to be just streaming the games to it so what they're going to do to also make it different is that this handheld system is also going to not have like that 10 foot range it's gonna have a huge ring the signal is gonna be really strong you're gonna be able to probably go out into your backyard a good hundred feet away from your console and still be able to play it and I think another thing they're going to do to even make this more possible is they're going to have an option in your network settings to be able to use your wireless network as an extra broadcast kind of like you know how you buy those you buy these little wireless things you can plug it in the wall and extend the range of your wireless router that's what I think the time is gonna offer they're gonna offer you the ability to use your own router to kind of extend the range that you could use your handheld system streaming games from the system so you could you could basically do it PlayStation Vita does it works really well in the home on your home network so they could do that with the handheld so you could go outside in your yard you know go by the campfire bust out your system and stream games right from your home console outside where you're with your buddies that's awesome that's great and I think that's what Nintendo is going to do and as I said I think they're gonna be offering hardware upgrades over the years so you might still see you know a bigger screen version because they seem to like doing that but beyond that you're gonna see three years after that thing launches four years you're gonna see new hardware again that's slightly upgraded and slightly better and does things better and then you know after that you're gonna see brand new hardware you know it comes out three four years after that and with same with the Wii U even if they offer the premium and the basic bundle three four years later they're gonna offer another system that's even more powerful and I think that's because they just like the Apple they like the way Apple works and they like the operating system and they like the idea that everything works on everything so even let's say you make a game for that new hardware that they release six years or five years after they launched the brand new NX system it's okay that that heart that software might still work on your old hardware it might be laggy a little bit it might not be a high resolution but it'll play it'll work but it'll work wait wait wait wait way better on the new hardware so I think that's what Nintendo is going for they're trying to become the Apple of the video game industry that's my opinions obviously I could be wrong we were crazy stuff going on in the background here this was a really really long episode of the boss man I had a lot to say Nintendo dropped some bombshells bottom line their hardware is not going anywhere until it's not profitable and it's profitable today as it is with what they're already doing so there's no reason I think it's going anywhere yes they're making mobile games I'm actually excited about it because I play mobile games probably more than I play my 3ds and that's hard for me to say but it's true and I'm excited for the mobile games I'm excited about their hardware future I'm excited about making their systems a heck of a lot more cross compatible and making the games able to be played on both systems I think that's gonna really really increase the value of a Nintendo system I'm excited I don't I understand people's fear because there's always the potential that they're gonna go out of business with hardware but that was already there before they announced this mobile stuff there was already a chance they might give up on the hardware someday so nothing's changed it's still Nintendo I'm still excited hopefully we get a Zelda mobile game at the end of the year because they plan to release somebody at the end of the year and I like mobile games and I heck I wouldn't mind a companion app that works with Zelda you I mean why not I like my Madden companion app on the Xbox one so why not for you also this shirt this is obviously a new a new jacket I got this on Amazon cost me about 30 bucks it's kind of cool it's got this sword and shield on the back kind of neat kind of sweet it's all I got for this week so if you really like this episode you could obviously follow us subscribe to us on YouTube you can also follow me at Nate Jants you could also follow me on Miiverse my username on Miiverse is Zelda Informer so if you want to look me up that way Zelda Informer one where you can also follow us on Tumblr on Google plus on Facebook and our own site Twitter lots of stuff will have stuff floating and flying hit me in the face so I hope you enjoyed this episode this week and I will see you guys next time