 Hey everybody, welcome back to the next cast. I'm your host Matt. And I'm Tyler. Hey, we remembered how to do it We took a week off and we remembered how to podcast We'll see if that happens in January after two weeks off. I doubt it. It's definitely not gonna happen It'll it'll have to be much more casual like you just be like, hey, I'm shit Tyler. Hi Sorry, what was your name again? I forgot who you were? Sorry, I went into multiple food comas. How are you? Yeah, do it do it. Oh episode right after New Year's Eve. Like, oh, yeah, we got drunk off our ass. Happy new year All right, so before we jump in just a Heads up on the schedule for how this the rest of this year is going to go So we'll be here obviously we're here this week. So you're hearing us We we're going to go the next two weeks next week. We're going to be talking about paying for Linux We should be fun And the week after that we're gonna have something fun planned. We just don't know what yet. So It's just gonna be a whole bullshit episode where we just do no topics whatsoever. We're just gonna we'll do something We'll either play a trivia game or something. I have some thoughts. Anyways, after that We'll be we'll be forced into having fun. Yeah It's gonna be Guess I guess what no, it's gonna be guess which workspace So I'll put something on a workspace and then you have to guess which one Sorrible anyways, we're after that will be taking two weeks off for the holidays and then we'll come back January 6th and We'll carry on through 2022 so that's the plan as of right now for how the rest of the year is going to go So I hope everybody who is in the United States had a fantastic Thanksgiving and is staying safe in the craziness that is the world these days so we're gonna Jump into our normal stuff And that leads me to ask Hey, Tyler, what have you done on Linux this week? And the answer would be of course nothing. I installed Windows you jackass No, that's not true. I I did I haven't tried out Ubuntu Mainline just pure Ubuntu it's been nice, but yes, let's get to the topic that everyone wants to hear about Yeah, I'm using Windows 11 and It's really nice. It's like No that being said it's really good if you're totally okay with Microsoft spying on you and you know all that shit like Yeah, it's really good as long as you're okay with being How do I put this politely Yeah, yeah, like, you know being used interviews by Microsoft as long as you're okay with that it's great Like that that's literally how the equation goes and on this laptop it's just weird and very niche and Windows works on it unfortunately, so Because I just want to be able to use the damn thing and like not have to fight with graphics issues constant crashing and weird shit like that I'll be a Microsoft bitch for the time being I Don't even know you anymore like it Is Linux too hard for you now? Like can't you do Linux anymore? Have you have you lost your ability to Linux? I don't even know I'm speechless that you could do this to me Like it's a personal offense to me Like how how dare you use that proprietary garbage What does daddy DT say about that? Oh DT, I'm sure I'll get a personal email. Just it was I'm sure DT after seeing this podcast will just send me a private email, which I'm not gonna lie. He we definitely have sent emails back and forth I'll get one email no subject at all. The message will be entirely. I'm disappointed like Find myself disappointed So Unlike that douchebag over there Not install Windows this week, but I had some other adventures, which I don't remember sure remember what I was gonna talk about So I have to go to the actual show notes. All right, so This actually happened last week, but we didn't do episode last week. So I'm Moved all of my stuff from github to get lab and I did that because SSH on github is atrocious It does for whatever reason I cannot get it to work No matter what like I don't know why it just doesn't work. So I moved everything over to get lab and SSH works I'm beautifully. It's just literally The documentation for SSH on get lab is like do this this this and this and work it works on Get hub. It's like follow this link. Do this this this and this go back to the original page Click on another link do this this this and this go back to another link do this this this like What the hell am I doing and stalling gentoo? I mean It was so fucking stupid So I was just so much done with it and I wanted to use SSH because I've been trying to Get away from using get cracking as my you know method of interaction forget because it's proprietary And it's a gooey and I like doing shit in the terminal So I was like well I'm gonna see you use the get stuff in the terminal in order to do that And you wanted to do to use SSH so I've been doing that So that's what I was doing. That was a interesting experience I'm gonna look into figuring out how to mirror it so that it goes from Get lab to get hub automatically so apparently you can do that and That way the people who have been following me on github can still get the recent stuff But I don't have to actually go through and upload any of the nonsense. That'd be cool I've also been messing around with doing better videos, so Let me tell you folks It doesn't matter how much money you spend on a webcam. It's still a fucking webcam That's the moral of the story is that webcams are just generally atrocious apparently you can't get a good one and even brand names like this is Aver media and it's supposedly really good and Tyler tells me I have to do color crush on it But that's only gonna help me when I'm actually recording an OBS not through discords. That's you know, whatever Yeah, you have to use the proprietary software on windows So man, hey, you want up maybe I could ship my webcam to you you could use windows to update the damn thing and send it back Win win win. Well, here's what a lot of people do and this is Linux eat our Linus talked about it in his last Linux video Which you can do is install a VM pass your your device into it to configure it using the proprietary Software and then pass it back out into the Linux environment That is a Shitway of fixing it, but it's a way of fixing it All right, so What I'm thinking about doing is like I have a stand here in a clip. They'll hold my phone and This phone has like a 4k 60 camera on the back And I could use that right here the problem is is that the field of view on This thing is really really wide So not only is it gonna catch all the way back to here, but also all the way over to the other end of the room Well, what you need to do is you need to record in if you can go into the settings Instead of recording like 4k cuz like editing 4k footage is kind of like a bitch Oh, yeah, I would just record 1080p, but that's fine But that doesn't it's still gonna have the wide field of view because that's how the lens works Now I could go through and zoom in but then you know, you know Well, that's what I'm saying if you can if you can record at 2k record at 2k and that way you can you can Crop in on yourself cut out that wide view and it still stay at 1080p quality The problem though is is if your phone's like mine, you can't choose 2k It's it's like 1080p and then 4k. That's like there's no way in between. Yeah, I don't know what the iPhone will do This is low in the chat asked me what my github username was it's MTWB 47 The numbers for seven and on git lab. It's the Linux cast All right, as it should be. Yes. All right So the only other thing I have to talk about is my keyboard I broke the keyboard because I'm an idiot and co-star stabilizers are the worst thing man has ever invented outside of windows apparently Okay, so you remember about four months ago or so you did the podcast from a Macintosh and I spent the entire episode Trolling you because you were on a Mac. Yeah, you thought that episode was bad you bitch This is gonna be bad you windows fanboy. Anyways, I broke my keyboard and co-star stabilizers are terrible So I ordered a new keyboard and ended up spending way too much money because I'm a keyboard nerd That's really the end of the story Kbd-75 Do it yourself cook because I was gonna have them just build it for me, but that was like $450 for them to build it for you. Mm-hmm And keyboard keyboards are expensive fucking hobby to get into yeah My worry is that this thing is coming from China and with everything the way it's going like now I'm probably gonna get this probably sometime in 2023. I'm guessing yeah So I'm gonna be stuck with these these cherry blue switches, which sound like I'm Crunchy sound amazing. They sound horrific. I can't I can't stand this on it But it's not even the sound because the sound is fine But there's the the actuation force on these blues. It's just so much. They hurt my fingers I'm so used to the reds and there's just not as they're linear like it's just like the reds are Practically I think they are a linear switch These ones here are clicking switches and there's a bump in there And it's the actuation force is about 20 grams more And I can't stand it like literally dude. I type a hundred thousand dollars a hundred thousand dollars I type a hundred thousand words a week Like I have to have a good keyboard that's the reason why my keyboards don't last very long is because I type so damn much So anyways, that's what I've been doing this week or the last two weeks. I guess I suppose What were you gonna say you're gonna say something? Yeah I keep getting a lot of people coming out and and saying so like I love Windows now and like I like I'm a Microsoft fan boy I'm like look on This weird ass laptop like it has a very weird configure hardware configuration It's not that the hardware is very weird itself, but the configuration of it. It's very weird This one use case Windows shines like give give Microsoft the one plus like they are shit in every other aspect I let them get one win. I think the problem is is that I I've seen this and I've taken screenshots of it So that I can blackmail you later You have said and these are direct quotes that Microsoft Windows is good like I have Photographic evidence. I also have a clip of terminal for life saying the terminal is bad. So I'm just floating in the blackmail material It's it's fantastic. It'd be like saying oh, no, I can't say that a lot because then you'd have blackmail through I was gonna say workspaces are bad These things don't you know, they don't they're not what you're supposed to hear What is the world has gone upside down terminal for life is no longer? He's gonna be gooey for life from now on Hey, you're gonna be the new Windows guy Going up against what's what's his name from the Mac versus PC? You had Justin long. What was the other guy's name? You know from commercials, you know I'm talking about Probably before your time Young Windows snapper. Did you get it young Windows snapper? I heard it All right Just gonna take a quick second to pat himself on the back You can tell we took a week off because I have no clue Anyways Let's go ahead and move on the end of the contact information if you want to get a hold of us you can do so at on Twitter at Took a week off. I was doing so good so well beforehand and now I can't remember how to do the fun contact information. It's ridiculous Anyways, you can contact us on Twitter at Linux cast Mostly I just tweet about keyboards. They're nowadays a pair Hey, which you can subscribe to all of our audio feeds and stuff like that the Linux cast at work as is usual I'll promise that that will eventually be its own website. I did think about working on that. There's this week Thought about it. I didn't actually do it Anyways, you can contact us via email at email at the links cast or you can support us on patreon at patreon.com Slash links cast I will thank all of our patrons at the end of the show. 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I did I saw that We're gonna call him gooey for life now because I we have that blackmail terminals are bad. He even said so it's right in his video They're calling him gooey for life in the chat This thing is going to stick. I'm telling you. All right All right, anyway, so each and every week Tyler and I scour the internet for news The best news only the best news will suffice for us. So Tyler What is your news of the week? Well, thank you Matt. Thank thank you for that great introduction for my news bit This for this fine little nugget of news. I went digging and Harvesting out in the wild and found something fantastic DLS DLSS that thing that I can't say worth a damn Has come to Linux. It's it's like a thing now like So If you have an Nvidia card, which like let's be honest Sorry But hey, if you have an Nvidia card most likely you can now take advantage of this and you know If you don't have the most powerful Nvidia card You can still like run a game at like 720p upscaled to 1080 and get a hell of a performance game Pretty much out of nowhere for free. All right, explain to me because I'm a complete non-gamer Mm-hmm. What is DLSS? What does it do? Does it make you play games better? I mean somehow No, what it does is it it will take a game You can it you can think of it sort of like advanced upscaling like technology essentially you take a game and you run a game at a much lower resolution and then DLSS DLSS is a technology that will essentially upscale it and it does an Incredible job of upscaling a game so you can you can essentially get you can eke out more graphics You know quality at a lower resolution and upscale it to a higher resolution your native resolution And so essentially you can take a game where if you wanted to run it at high at 1080p And it only run at 30 fps. You can run it at 720p and get 60 something like that out of it Using DLSS because you're only running the game at 720p and then DLSS is upscaling it to 1080 I understood most of the words you said I don't know what they mean, but when they put them together in sentences, but You take you take a smaller resolution and then you you make it a bigger resolution And it's and it's good at doing it. All right, so you what you're saying is you if you had a Mario from 1994 And you it was running at 420p. You could upscale that to I don't know 1080p and it would look better It wouldn't like the thing about DLS when you upscale anything you can't it's hard to pull quality out of like where there is no like quality and DLSS just does a really really good job of upscaling and pulling quality where essentially there is none It's it's a very good algorithm for upscaling. Okay now does AMD have something similar to this you gotta I have my traffic's cards at least seven years old, so you'll have to Yes, technically AMD does have a competing Technology, however, DLSS is better. It's objectively better. Especially now that 2.0 is out It's better But yes, AMD does have their own version of it. I think it's like fidelity fx or something like that Okay, so and it's probably not as good because It's AMD, right? It's not that it's like just not good. It's just that it's not as good because I mean, it's Nvidia compared to AMD Nvidia had like Nvidia is printing money right now Like that's that's literally how Nvidia AMD technically to the same extent But everyone is more focused on CUDA and so right now Nvidia just has much more power in the marketplace if Nvidia is printing money. Do you think that they could get them to send us some? I mean if they they got the printing for us, then we get to send us some stuff and Yeah, go wait for life. We did you have been harangued into being a moderator in the chat. Congratulations. I Did not ask I was like I need a moderator TFL is a good moderator. He can be I need to make some moderators for mine I've been having some spammers coming to my live streams. Hopefully we never have that problem here Yeah, hopefully not I have had some trolls on the channel last couple days There's one guy I had to block Because he was going after my mother. I was like seriously Like leave my mother alone. All right before we move on to the next news. What? What is this idea? Among some of people in the links community or the outside of links community I guess that think that I live in my mother's basement like, okay This is I mean, you really can't really tell from the small shop, but this is not a Basement okay, we don't have a basement. Okay, and I live near my mother not with my mother Okay, here's the surprising thing out here like most where I live we have basements But in most of the US you don't most people don't have basements like most people don't even have them Like the only thing reason we'd want a basement is for when the tornado decided to come Okay, and we because we've seen that movie, okay? So, I mean, it's just like I don't I don't understand the stereotype of a Linux user has to be living in their mother's basement You do realize that the like every server in the world runs Linux right for the vast majority of servers They're running Linux. You're not gonna call all those fuckers. They're living on their mother's basement. Are they? It's just and also like that that whole mindset like I don't listen those kinds of people because here's the thing The person who is gonna tell you that They are perpetuating the idea that keeps them broke like Smart people save money and stay with their like look if you have a family that you get along together You actually like your family. There is no reason for you to go out and spend a shitload of your money and like Monetary resources on a house that's it's not gonna make you more money It's only gonna cost you money in the long term and you're gonna move out for no reason like No, it's smarter to stay home Like my parents are reaching the age like they're getting closer to 90 than they are To any age under that and they need help. So I stick around, right? So I live next door And I still don't have a basement, okay And I pay rent and I pay my utilities and I pay taxes and I have a job that makes me plenty of money You know, so I understand you're not supposed to let these people get to you But it's just pissed me off. And yeah, anyways, so anyways moving on Moving on to my let's see it. I don't have I open up another tab here. Anyways, so Let me go back to I got that's still the wrong scene Matt dumbass learn how to use OBS go back to your mother's basement Okay, anyway, so my news of the week is that canonical has been working to make Ubuntu run better Specifically Ubuntu VMs run better on Apple M on max and I chose this story Not necessarily because I find the technology all that interesting Or the specific technology I should say but more because I Think that those M1 max are going to be very very popular like a lot of people are gonna buy these things Right because they're really really good, but more than that arm processors are going to be the future like we're It's only gonna be a matter of time before arm stuff comes to the desktop. I guess gonna wait hold on Hold on stop. We're gonna have to have a disagreement here Risk 5 should be the future. Okay, if we keep saying and it's gonna be the I didn't say should arm should be the future I'm say it is going to be I'm a realist Tyler You're right, you're right, but I hate it you're right, but I hate it You should just be happy the arm is risk-based. Okay, it is So you should just be happy that it's based on an open-source standard. All right Even if it's not open-source itself, but it's fine. We're all gonna be okay And I think that eventually we probably will be better off but it's gonna take a while because I think that eventually we're gonna end up having like 14 or 20 or 30 different Architectures that are gonna be out there running and because we're gonna have Apple stuff and it's all gonna be locked to Apple's OS We're gonna have Windows stuff and that's gonna be locked to Windows because that's how they're gonna optimize it, you know, we're gonna have and Linux is gonna have to kind of do its own thing or hack itself on to these other Proprietary chipsets, which is basically what they're doing now with M1 and stuff And they've done a really good job like the the assa hi or whatever how you ever held prance that Linux that they're going through and putting on M1 You know, well, that's that's kind of the problem in like Arm is only gonna make this problem of us Linux isn't playing the catch up like Linux is having to support stuff that is getting made for Microsoft and Apple and If now the base architecture is gonna be made by these same kinds of people and they're all gonna want to make their own custom versions That's bad news I mean we can hope at least I mean it's a it's a it's a false hope But we could hope that the one that's gonna be made by Qualcomm for Windows will be a little bit more open to being able to be Have other things install on it. I don't think that that's going to be the case I think that it's gonna be able like a lock boot loader Like on a phone because Qualcomm never Qualcomm makes all the phone chips and all the boot loaders are locked Like we know this it's happened, you know, it's done We've been living with that experience for the last 10 years, you know and The future As cool as I think arm technology is I mean, can you imagine being able to have a very powerful processor that has 150 cores in your computer, you know With yeah, and and all those cores like even though like there's only like 24 of them that are high efficiency and still like even under full load it only draws like Maybe 65 watts and like maybe you have one of all you have is like one of those minute school like 10 millimeter fans and it never runs, you know, it's cool, right? See it's cool technology That's why everybody's going crazy about the M ones, right? It's it's neat and the unified memory and stuff like that so that you don't have to deal with You know speeds across the bus and everything like that It's it's a neat technology and it's going to be the future But it for me for Linux it scares the shit out of me because Any future Linux has on that type of hardware is going to be by definition kind of hacky Well, yeah, because they don't like there's no one inside of the Linux space right now that I know of that Could even hope to afford to R&D the work to develop one of these chips for themselves Yeah, and then everyone in the Linux space developed for it, right? The the saving grace though might be servers because they're putting this stuff in They're creating arm chips specifically for servers and we know that Linux runs on servers So it's possible that the work will go into work get Linux running on servers and stuff and then Maybe the desktop stuff will follow Hopefully it will follow and then those chips and stuff like that because then those chips have Historically trickle down into the technology used in desktop computers, right? We're not gonna have a thousand core CPU in our desktop computer But eventually that type of technology in that type of miniaturization will trickle down into the consumer market And hopefully the work that has been done to get Linux running on servers that run arm in the data center We'll also trickle down into You know the desktop consumer market whether I mean That's why I think that things like the Raspberry Pi are so important because if we can get Like a boon to an arch and manjarro and all this stuff running really well on the Raspberry Pi Which is literally a piece of paper If we can get it running well on that then it doesn't matter what chips we do end up with later on because we're gonna have The software already made for the small ass computer and anything bigger than that is going to be perfectly fine Yeah, it'll scale well. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of the beauty of Linux. It will scale. Yeah, hopefully So I mean I find some hope but anyways, I know that this news story here Didn't get really talked about so yeah, we kind of grazed over it But basically what it is is Ubuntu is trying to make it so that Ubuntu runs better in VMs on the M1s now really what they're doing is Apple when they introduced the M1s they came out with the new virtualization technology and it's supposedly really good It's kind of similar to what they're doing with the Rosetta, but it's for VMs, right? And Ubuntu is trying to get their operating system run better in that It'll be interesting to see how that work then kind of Goes into getting it to run on actual hardware on the M1s because right now I believe they got the team who's doing that and when Linux has gotten Debbie in an arch working I don't think that they've done Ubuntu. I could be wrong on that But I don't know It doesn't I mean it's interesting for me Because it's just interesting technology, but it's not a piece of technology that I'm gonna ever be able to afford Yeah, I could I could never justify spending $2,000 on a laptop. I could buy three computers for that Like that's the reason why eBay exists like I buy I buy an old Dow like Optiplex thing that has a I5 from 11 years ago and that will run for me for the other next 10 years That's the way I get my computers and let's unless it's the computer I run on and then I you know build it myself, but whatever anyways That's the news so let's go ahead and move on to the main topic. We're only 34 minutes in that's Kind of impressive. Yeah, it's a little impressive. It is it really is even is even as much as I bullshitted about things do the whole thing here anyway, so the the main topic this week is I want to talk about things that Linux could do better so My thought on this is that I Made a video yesterday say Linux is not perfect like there's a there's a small group of people in the Linux community that think that Linux is This they've set it on a pedestal and if you criticize it you're a bad person, right? So that was the whole point of that video, but I don't want to really talk about that I just want want to talk about a few things that we think that Linux could do better So I'm gonna as usual force you to go first Why don't we go back and forth you do you tell it tell me one thing you think Linux could do better Hardware support on for weird setups We all know Linux doesn't get new hardware support right out of the gate Which I think is a given like you're it's a free operating system There's not really money driven behind it profit margins aren't really a Thing when it comes to the Linux kernel. That's not really what they're concerned with so To me like the fact that doesn't have news heart hardware support is not surprising but getting Linux to work on a Weird hardware configurations or setups that's something that does definitely need to be addressed Eventually Yeah, it's It would be nice if we could if Linux could become popular enough where the actual like manufacturers of the hardware would Contribute to like the kernel now some of them do like Lenovo and Dell they do Intel does But it doesn't ever seem like it's that much of a you know priority for them. So It'd be nice to If it became more of a priority for them because then that work would speed up off as especially Fuck you Nvidia, you know if we can Know finish that statement because I'm about to agree with it like if we can get Nvidia on board like even a you know At this point, I don't care if it's open source, but if we could just get them to actually make things good Good then it makes everybody happy like sure we'd wish it was open source But at least it would work. Well, just all all we ask is that you care like that's it No, no, no, no not even care like a lot Like yeah, you know, just so I'll have to change your logo to include tucks in it We don't it doesn't have to be I heart tucks all the time just a little like Like can we please not be ten years behind constantly in the windows? Could could you like I don't know update the Nvidia like settings? Look from 1997 like the year I was born. Could you please do that? That would be nice literally any attention at all would be good Like just just a little bit. Okay, and preferably I mean they do pay some attention obviously But it always feels like an afterthought like because like there's that one asshole Nvidia like oh, yeah We probably should do something for Linux Yeah, if we have to Like there's that one guy who's like in the back where they're talking about all these nice features and everything He's like, you know, we kind of have to give something to him. They're like, oh shit They're like throw throw Todd a bone over there Like no, no, that's exactly what is there's that one Linux nerd at Nvidia was the only reason there's any Linux support at all And every every meeting is like please please please can we do something for like please please like like literally Can we just spend some money on Linux? We really want to do it like come on like anything and then there's just There's just one exact who's like did someone accidentally unmute Todd in the corner like That they muted like there's that guy in his mom's basement again All right, so my first one my first one is Audio like I feel like we do this all the time, but Linux could do audio better and Everybody keeps coming to me and telling you like pipe wires the future just like they keep saying Wayland's the future like sure Okay, but I don't live in the future Like I want I've always wanted to live in the future, but I don't live in the future so The problem is right now Linux audio is kind of bad and it's actually gotten worse like it was doing okay there for a while But now that they've introduced pipe wire It's actually worse like it's worse now because we've made it fragmented and things don't work together and Well, and now you have people are confused because pipe wire uses some of pulses shit Yeah, like for for me like it when I was using pipe wire on on bun on solar spongy. I was having to use PA CTL to load a module for pipe wire, which is like wait what like Huh am I using pulse audio, or am I using pipe wire? Which one am I using? It just gets Pipe wire sits on top of pulse audio which sits on top of also which sits on top of another thing Like literally this is literally You have a fence and instead of going through and taking the old panel off You were just painting over it every three years. That's what we're doing like and it's no wonder it looks like shit Yeah Like there's spotches of pink there where you know it used to be a pink fence now It's a way fence, but you can still see the pink underneath because you forgot the primer You know shit at different at different points. There was more grown on that fence. We just painted right over You can see the dog piss stains at the bottom The the promise of pipe wire was that it was going to be a replacement For pulse audio is going to be the new thing right the same thing with Wayland Wayland is going to replace XOR and Maybe that is the future. Maybe 10 years from now everybody will be using Wayland I don't think it's gonna take that long for everybody use Wayland because we have Am I blowing out a little bit? I'm no well, I mean you've seen fine for me TfL said master of testing is pop filters. I apologize for that if I'm shouting a little too loud into the microphone But anyways, you know, maybe 10 years from now everybody's gonna use Wayland and pipe wire and We're I don't think it's gonna take that long because like we have a Ubuntu and we have You know Fedora, whatever they're already using as default. It's there and it quote-unquote works But the problem is it's very much in development like that's the thing with something that with like Xorg Xorg gets an update once every, I don't know five years Maybe you know and usually it's just security stuff because Xorg has been around since 1950 or something it's been around forever and It's stable because it gets no new features and it's all they're doing is going through and you know Making sure that it doesn't suck break itself, right? That's all the problem with with pipe wire and Wayland is that they're actively adding new features So when they go through and add a new feature that doesn't look like your particular brand of hardware or my particular brand of hardware shit goes wrong and When you're talking about an email client if you break my email client, you know fine, whatever It's an email client who gives crap when you break the thing that sends audio to my headphones or a picture to my screen Like literally kind of a major problem. It's a big deal. It's been like breaking the steering wheel or the tires on your car You know break the cup holder. I don't care break the steering wheel of the tires I can't like go anywhere. It's like handing you a cell phone with no speakers or microphones on it All right, it's just like what? So so I kind of got away from my thing like they can do audio better if The problem with pipe wires that it sits on top of all this other stuff It doesn't work half the time if where we're going to start over again. Why the hell didn't they just start over again? I don't know. It's it's a mess now for the most part audio Sometimes for the most part works fine like sometimes But it's too inconsistent It's one of those things that just has to work and it doesn't always work So audio is definitely one of those and that's kind of the problem is like when you bitch and complain about audio on Linux There are those people out there who have never experienced an issue ever like ever and they can't understand someone who does the person who does experience an issue Like with audio on Linux. They truly like it's not a simple fix. It's a constant struggle to get it, right? Yeah, there was somebody in the chat. I'm pretty sure he's trolling us, but he's a pipe wire is awesome And close that just said go away lent, you know, so I'm also sure that is a troll But the thing is there are the people most bother like they've they've they use pipe wire They use Wayland and it works fine for them because they don't do anything esoteric They don't record videos. They don't go through any of that stuff. They don't mess with the echo cancellation They don't do all that. They don't have an audio interface for their $400 dollar microphone, you know, you know that they have to get working so the For for normal people pipe wires probably perfectly fine It works fine for them and they're listening to this podcast like what are you talking about audio works? Just fantastically and then I was like, well, hey, have you ever cooked hooked up a Bluetooth headset to your Linux machine before? Like have a good time, you know, it's it's it's it's I mean it can be done But it takes some work and the problem with audio is it's one of those things that has got to be simple It has no well it has to just work like it has to yeah And if it doesn't new users who are trying to experience Linux for the first time are gonna I mean the number one thing alright, so picture this you're a new user You just switched away from Windows 11 because it's god-awful and despite what that idiot across from me says Windows is terrible and you should have switched to Linux Yeah, I had to get that in there anyways So you switch to Linux you managed to go through and you got the ISO you chose the distro You got it on to a USB stick you got it into a You got it on your hard drive. You got it booted up and you're picturing that glorious pink and purple Butt cheek that is the LTS release of a boom to you you're there you have begun your Linux journey You get out your $250 pair of Bose headphones because you got them for Christmas or you got them for your birthday and you're like I'm gonna listen to a YouTube video And I'm gonna connect these things just like I would in Windows and it doesn't work Chances are unless you're an uber nerd and you're willing to put in some effort You're gonna fly back to Windows because things work in Windows Now I'm that's not saying that shit doesn't go wrong in Windows like Bluetooth my experience with Bluetooth and Windows is kind of bad too But at least it connects, you know so that's that's It's those types of things that are going to send new users packing back to Windows They don't care if they have to restart their computer. They've been doing that for years, you know Trust me. I'll restart on Windows means nothing. That's right. So If anything they were probably expecting and being prepared for big problems things things like you know a kernel panic or something They were probably you know prepared for something like that But if the simple things that if you can't get audio, right? What can you get right? Exactly. Yeah, like if you can't do this. I mean, that's kind of the thing. I don't think a lot of Hardcore Linux users understand like for a new person who comes over like dog If they go in and a YouTube video doesn't play right like instantly they're they're gonna be like How does people how do people even use this like? It's it's just sound like how is this not properly set up like we've had headphones for longer than we've had computers Okay, like like legitimately go go go out and try and convince somebody that was going to purchase a new car and Like you let let's say you go out to the dealership and you hop into a brand-new car and the guy who's selling you the car And like look you can barely afford it, but you're like I I can do it I really want it, but then he hops in he tells you yeah the audio like the the audio in here It does work, but you have to do some setup like you need to you need to get it like under the hood and connect Two wires in order for in order for the car the the stereo to work You have to rub in your head and pat your stomach at the same time and also drive Like If you're if you're spending that much money and everything like I mean if you think about it If you're telling someone that Linux is a great and everything Linux might be great that car is probably awesome But the fact that they have to get out and plug in two wires Like that should be basic when you were building it that that scares like that would scare the shit out You wouldn't spend a shitload of your money on a car that they couldn't even plug in the cords You'd be wondering what else they got wrong. This thing definitely doesn't have brakes. Okay, you know So I mean Even even let's get past the initial thing like let's say you managed to get those Bose headphones set up and connected and they're working fine What happens when you restart your computer and you and you get back in and pulse audio as pulse audio does has changed your default input to your Speakers or whatever else you have this thing. I'm gonna be honest People will make excuses. That is the most annoying shit in the world and it happens all the fucking time Like literally three times a week. It happens. I don't know about you But it pisses me off when people make excuses for it I'm like like that shouldn't be something like people tell you like it's just something you got to live with like that Shouldn't be something. I just have to live Now how hard is it to save the UU ID or whatever the how they call the identifier of whatever you have connected To a file Linux has a shitload of configuration files save the thing that was last connected to that configuration file and have pulse audio Loaded up. It's not rocket science. If I'm a dumb ass. I can do it The thing is is this experience like you've gone through you've succeeded in using Linux for a week or so let's just say alright, you've done this and You know, you you found alternatives to your applications your your Bose headphones are working fine But then you do that update and you have to restart your computer and And pulse audio does what it does Chances are you're going to think the problem is much bigger than what you then what it actually is So you're gonna spend hours upon hours scouring the Google to find a problem when all you really need to do Was going to PECU controller where I was called and change the default Output back to where it should be here's how true you're here's how true that statement is as an experienced user Every single time pulse audio does that shit. I immediately go. Oh, this is gonna be a big problem Like even though I know it's probably just I just got to change the default. It happens all the time I know pulse audio and I know it can be a much bigger ordeal and I mean, I've had the I don't know if you have this issue but for for me on certain machines if I have a blue snowball plugged in or a Blue microphone plugged in and I turn it on with it plugged in like as it boots That's the only device that's detected by the system for some reason because it has both an input and output in it Like it has like you can plug your hard phones into it So it has an output and it's also an input device and Linux doesn't know what the hell to do with that thing See the thing that pisses me off about it is like it Linux will just Act like the internal motherboards like sound device just doesn't exist like Why? What nobody can't it's obvious that nobody can answer that question because they haven't fixed you that's That's the first the thing about it Tyler is that We've been Linuxing now for 30 years like almost my entire life. I'm 30 however old I am I don't even know It's too many to count all I know is I'm older than gooey for life And I'm way older than you you're like a young in For almost my entire life. We've been Linuxing like Linux in 1991. It was six years after I was born and In all that time we haven't been able to figure out the one thing that should work It it's mind-boggling and look everybody's saying well, you're being really hard on Linux How dare you I mean how dare you criticize Linux to such a set it sounds like you hate Linux No, no, no, no, this isn't me loving on Linux really roughly because I wanted to get better like we we have to have these conversations Otherwise, it's going to continue on like there are people working on this there have You're there are people in the Linux kernel and the Linux community 10 million times smarter than I will ever be and We know that we all know that I'm a fucking idiot Right, there's some very very talented people right there's a reason why Linux exists and is awesome as it is right They these guys are really super smart So I I want to have Hope that they can fix this but it's been 30 years You know if it's it's clear that their focus is elsewhere, right? And I think it's it's most likely because the people who need to develop stuff The people who have the people who have the skills necessary to develop and make audio Fantastic on Linux are also the people who their talents are needed and used on in the server Yes, because that's where everything has to be focuses on the servers. That's That's disappointingly right. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. We spent a long time on audio So let's go ahead and see if we can go through manage to do three each. So your second one My my second one at Linux could definitely get better is Browsers and what I mean by browsers is inside of the Linux space Linux is the perfect community to come out with a new web engine A new true web browser that is based off a new web engine is Definitely needed Firefox is shitting the fucking bed and all we have is Chrome to compete if you want to tell me about another browser I'm gonna go ahead and stock it stop just stop. It's not it's not a real competitor or two It's a Firefox or Chrome reskin. That's it Don't technically safari is there but that's all in the phone. I mean, that's it's not a real competitor It's an Apple product It's not a real competitor. It's not They have like 20% of them browser plus well technically blink is blank based on webkit So look like let's be honest if you if you were using something other than a Mac, would you use Safari? I wouldn't use Safari on a Mac. Exactly. That's my hope. No one. I know who uses a Mac use Safari It's not a real competitor. No, I do use Safari on my iPhone In conjunction with brave and Firefox and look at I look for browsers on here and the reason why is because I have Firefox on my Computer so I in order to get stuff from Firefox to my phone. I have to have Firefox on here. So and It doesn't matter that the phone lets you set a default browser now half the time shit still opens up in Safari So I choose Safari for that reason and I had brave on here because I was using brave for a while Um Browsers are a fucking mess man. I'm telling you I was legitimately waiting for how you're gonna explain to me like how like I need four browsers in my life I'm like Jesus man. It's not that I want four browsers Tyler. It Here's the thing. Okay, so I was talking about how I bought a keyboard right the KBD fans website doesn't work in Firefox It just doesn't work. I mean you can load it and stuff like that, but it's broken So I had install brave in order to get to work Because it's Chromium base. They they obviously developed their website for Chromium and the thing is this is happening more and more often Like everybody tells me I'm crazy like oh, I've never had this experience on Firefox at all You are not crazy man. Firefox is shitting the bed like and I don't think people understand this Everything is Firefox and Chromium like everything The thing the thing about I mean we bitch about Firefox about every other episode the thing about Firefox is it's getting worse like The thing about it's just it's getting worse like like even if it was just staying at a relatively level You know a bad like if it just stayed this bad like forever fine You know, I can deal with it I'll come across the occasional website that I can't use I have to go install brave or something and I can install uninstall brave and go back to using Firefox the but the problem is is that At least twice a week. I come across some website that I can't use Because they're not it's not really Firefox's fault It's just that they are so unimportant in the grand scheme of things that web developers don't test their stuff on Firefox anymore No, whether or not that's laziness or not I we could argue about that, but it's it's definitely an issue. So you're exactly right hit the Linux community definitely does need to Pull together their resources collect their pennies and find someone to get us a new web engine, but I don't think I think I Think it's too late. I Think it's I mean remember here's the damn realist in me again, but I think it's too late I think it's a chrome world and we're just gonna have to live with it No, I think that like that like that defeatist mindset. No, I know you're the optimist of the of this couple pairing here Tyler But I can't live with your optimism. You're just gonna have to go back to your windows playland All it takes is the people who do know how how to like code like a web engine to get as pissed off as you are And like if we're being honest It's kind of hard not to be pissed off like I'm using edge right now and loving it. Why? Well, because it's literally just crown it. It's I would love I want to see you get the crap I got not only from the community, but from you, mr. Tyler You made fun of me when I switched to edge like you did. Yeah The thing is well partially because I know also you don't use a Microsoft account. So like hell. No, I don't I have one but I'm pretty sure it's a hotmail account from like 1995, you know So the thing the thing about edge is though, that's getting worse, too Like you haven't been using it long enough to experience what it was like before right now It is a bloated piece of shit because they keep adding things that they the coupon extension was really cool It's like, oh, this is built-in. That's awesome I'm gonna install it on every browser I have now because getting coupon codes automatically when you're shopping Really cool But it needs to be an extension, but it's built-in on edge now. They have shop now pay later in edge It's not on the Linux version yet, but on Windows. It's there And they have all these little features that should be extensions and it's gonna continue They're gonna continue adding these features and stuff and it's kind of it's already bloated as fuck Yeah, well Like that's not even the point like see this is the problem in the Linux space we can waste so much Damn time Talking about browsers in choices that browsers are making when that's a waste of time Yeah, because the real problem is the fact we are arguing about which chromium skin We like and which which decisions that the chromium skin makers are choosing and whether or not Vivaldi is open source You know, yeah, I mean Vivaldi is like look, I'm gonna be completely real if you're Vivaldi like lover and everything Let me be completely They're stupid. They're like read of their documentation. It is stupid read their blog posts stupid They're very much hypocritical and also the browser sucks Go like don't need an email client my browser Take take a break for like one month and then go back to Vivaldi as like a complete new user and try signing up and everything It's confusing as shit. You're like, what the hell is going on? I just want a browser. It's no Vivaldi is not a browser at all. It's it's a sweet It's office sweet is what it is Dude, it's literally emacs. Okay, I'm just It's it's like the modern webs version of emacs and a disgusting version of that. It's all It's all written in JavaScript. Okay, so instead of lists, it's JavaScript and The people can argue. Well, it's just a JavaScript render. Well, what do they say about emacs? Well, it's just a list interpreter, you know, it's literally exactly the same thing just a different language, you know Actually, I'm pretty sure of all these probably written in C and in JavaScript, but still the point remains To die German guy says I love the ball the There's always that one guy. Yeah. All right. Anyways, my next one Is going to be painful to say because Linux could do a better job of having a default desktop environment Uh and the problem is is we can't decide on which one's the best one We can't decide as a Linux community that just we just need to admit that Katie is the best That's kind of like saying which distro is the best I know I know but All right, so in that Linus tech tips thing What was the one of the first thing he says? Well, the first thing you had to suffer through is trying to figure out Which distro to use and that's not even the problem. That's that's only half the problem the other half is figuring out which desktop environment use and that's really the problem because Not only do you have to choose what distro you have to use, but then you have to figure out which ISO to use that has the Really what I'm hearing right now is we have a lot of people who are not giving good advice Okay, that's we have a lot of shitty fucking articles out there that are Miscellating and are terrible and we have people that are giving terrible advice. They're highly opinionated and biased Well, all right, so we don't exist We know just find a Linux distro that looks nice Go away. We know that the SEO of Google has made it so that people give out shit advice make listicles and stuff and it happens and That's a thing to fix but that's not a Linux problem. That's a Google. Yeah, okay My thing is and this is never gonna happen. This is one. It's just never ever going to happen But we need one desktop environment that is just like the default We can still have all the rest of them But we have to settle on a consensus that one of them is the one that we should use now It seemed for a while there that GNOME was going to be that just that desktop environment because you know I'm going to use that, you know Fedora uses it. It was on them It was on the big distros But GNOME seems to have you know is slowly coming to the point where You know, it's going to Maybe die up slow and hopefully painful death the thing is Despite as much as I hate GNOME it was a good idea to have a default desktop environment that everybody could Maybe not agree on but be okay with that the fact that it was on the big distros, you know Like this is the one that we have settled on this is going to be okay for new users. Okay We don't have to get rid of the rest like everybody's gonna say well Then you're all your window managers are gonna go away today KD is gonna go away. No, no, no That's not what I'm saying what I'm saying is that the big distros should get together in a room and Collaborate on one desktop environment that they can all agree on that will be their main flavor They can have the rest of them and that will still be confusing to some people But this is the thing that's gonna go on the front page of the website that you're gonna download and be on your ISO and that's what new users are gonna going to See when they get there and that's what they're gonna learn on and stuff like that's gonna be fine now I understand this is this completely goes against everything that is Linux, right? Yeah, well, I think you're what you're trying to do is you're trying to make Linux more marketable Like the thing about Linux is like look if you try out Linux and you fucking hate it Like you truly do and you leave it. You've hurt no one like It's fine like Linux will continue to be Linux. It's it's fine It's unfortunate that you have that experience the the thing that we need to focus on is when people get there Having a desktop environment that works. That's the problem We have a lot of them that don't work right now GNOME is making decisions left and right that are stupid. We have KDE that is breaking itself constantly And then we've got XFCE that it's great But like as long as you like your machine to look like it was straight out of the 90s, which I mean Yeah, you can make XFCE look decent but analytic minded said this is pure fantasy It's true And I don't even know if it's a fantasy that I want to see happen like It sounds like a good idea and I'm sure there are many reasons to Argue against it and there would all be valid ideas and valid arguments against it But Linux has a problem where there are just too many desktop environments out there that she had to choose from and There's something there's too many distros that she had to choose from too But I don't think that's a huge problem that Linus tech tips the first episode Yeah, I heard dogs My dog doesn't bark. Okay She's been here for four for a month. She's never barked before Oh, that's Must be something we're going on out there. Anyways, um So sorry about the dogs. Uh, anyways, the the the the thing is I don't even know where I was talking about the the thing is is that When your new user choice isn't necessarily a good thing, right? So there should be a a consensus not a default, but uh, the most popular choice like Let's just all agree. It's a boon to with gnom. Let's just all agree that that's the one that new users should use I don't think we have to agree. I don't think we have to agree on it It should just be the no ubuntu is Kind of the most supported thing. It's kind of what most people are using use that's what you Yeah, it's what you should recommend to people Yeah And then once the person knows how to use a package manager and then knows how to use do an update and all that stuff Then they can go through and explore the rest of the linux ecosystem Which is still going to be there and be flourishing and stuff, right? It's just a matter of When your new user And you've seen I mean all those logos or whatever that showed up on linus is String when he was talking about the distro choice some of those things I'd never even heard of like I'm a linux user half of those things. I don't even know how they are And the thing is that's the thing about distros. There's like 400 distros on distro watch And which one are you supposed to use you know use a boon to that's the I guess that's the the point of of that one All right, your next one Um My wait, is this my third point? Yeah, but your third one you're the last one. Oh, all right We haven't been going for an hour and eight minutes. Oh Well, at least we hopefully people enjoy this like extra little bit long podcast Um, but for my last point, I I think linux could do a lot better with its Ability to go back and Redo itself like we've We've talked about this kind of in a roundabout way up until this point but like I think uh, I think that linux struggles with is going back and redoing projects that should be redone like pulse audio pulse audio should have been completely scratched and rewritten um Helped it could have been combined with something like all like re-scratch also combine also with pulse audio and some Um, you know new program new new way of method of doing things There's a lot of stuff in in linux that could definitely use for an overhaul and a change of Perspective The sad thing is I think in linux we we end up having having a tendency of just As much as people complain about duplication of effort, I think we stack on top of effort too much in some areas Um, I mean we were talking about pipe wire pipe wire is just the best example for this It's built on top of what it's trying to fix. That's How is how is that going to fix anything? Yeah, like patching. It's like it's they're patching the genes You know like like look if you're if you're gonna fix the thing and like your fix is brand new and Can't actually function yet. That's fine. Keep working on it. Like eventually it will be like don't try to Make it function and to try and make it function You have to do the bad habits of the other thing like what are you doing? Like just yeah Well, then they also I mean especially specifically with the audio stuff they always seem Because they decided to stop doing pulse audio and start over I mean start over which they didn't really do that They're building on top of pulse audio, but Because they decided to do it in this way You're not really getting rid of the bad things, right? You're just covering Have you ever seen that adam sandler movie? I think it's called big daddy Where the kid spills milk on the floor instead of cleaning up. He throws newspaper on top of it. Yep That's what this is The linux equivalent of that, you know, so um Yeah, I it's It's one of those things where that's just the seems to be the way the linux community likes to do things I think it's because everybody has their own ideas of how to do things But they don't want to necessarily start over so they patch things. It's like the suckless philosophy They they created a fantastic window manager and then they added a whole bunch of patches on top of it You know, I mean and I like the patching system, but Anybody who's ever used dwm knows that the more patches you get the more finicky and Sometimes it's just better to go back and rewrite. Yeah, you guys got to start over again. So yeah, it's one of those things. Okay Um, we could probably talk about that for longer, but I think I want to do my third one so we can We we can I don't know about you, but uh, I think you've drank plenty of water and I know I have to so It's empty. I think I need more Anyways, um, so my third one That linux could do better and this is something that I've talked about on the podcast before is installation so the I I I have always argued this that The vast majority of people That aren't techies They don't know how to go through and take an ISO and put it on a usb key in order to actually install linux They don't know how to get past a boot menu They don't how to enter they don't even how to enter a boot menu and the thing about boot menu is tyler And this is the biggest problem with linux right here Is that you have to get into the boot menu But in order to get into the boot menu is a different key on every single computer you'll have ever used It can be any of the f keys. It could be the escape key. It could be the tab key. It could be tab Could be delete. Yeah, it could be delete. Yeah, it's delete on my computer, right? They do a different one on each every one. So you can't do a tutorial and say hey, this is how you install linux Mooda hard just did a video on how to install Uh, a boon to right on his channel. I guess two million subscribers And when he got to the boot thing, well, he was just press f 10 f 12 11 like Yeah, just he said just press all of them Wait, it's the biggest problem with linux Nobody knows how to get to a boot menu and I can't tell you like if I had to walk somebody through how to install linux I couldn't tell them What button to press in order to get to the boot menu like I couldn't do it Or or imagine you have to tell someone Disable secure boot in your bios, right, right? Like let's not even get into the ufi stuff like I get that's that's another problem on top of like I understand that this is not a linux problem Specifically, it's not a linux problem. It's a it's a hardware problem But it affects linux in an untold way because it limits the audience of linux because there's the only way only people that can do this stuff or the people who are Technologically sophisticated enough to look that shit up And most people are not, you know, that's they're gonna let's just say Because burning an iso is actually fairly easy and there's lots of guides on how to do so They're going to get to that point. They're going to choose their distro They've gotten past that that hurdle They're going to go through and they're going to get etcher and they're going to go through and Install it on a usb key and then they're going to figure out. Well, how do I get what's next? And they're going to google how do I boot from a usb key into linux? And the the instructions are going to be whatever key your Computer uses to get into the boot man. You press that one Well, that's the most specific piece of garbage you've ever given me in your entire life It's the dumbest thing and like I said not a linux problem, but it is something that It's a nest. It's a necessary step to installing linux. Yeah, it's like a built-in flaw to linux That's not that's not even linux's fault, right? It's one of the reasons why hardware that comes with linux pre-installed Is so important, right because they don't have if you do that Then you don't have to ever experience that problem and Then you brought up the next problem like let's just say they managed to mash all the keys on their keyboard They finally got into the boot menu. They selected the appropriate usb key And then they realized that you can't boot into that particular iso because it's not a ufi iso It's a regular iso. It's for legacy bios only And you have to go back and either re-burn it or disable secure boot Which again, isn't the same on every motherboard. It's different on every single one And then you also have that new user question of like well if i'm disabling secure boot Am I making my system like insecure? Am I am I going to get attacked? And and add into the fact that most people when they switch to linux Are going to want a dual boot and you Dual booting on a system that already has linux or windows installed is damn near impossible because Windows loves to take up the whole hard drive and even if you've saved a partition for linux It doesn't like that very much at all Okay, because windows likes to control the boot loader In we use grub they use whatever the hell it is windows uses right and you know That's added on a whole other thing. It adds an entire different label of complexity. So installing linux and I've argued this Until I'm blue in the face is too hard and I the thing is I'm not smart enough to fix it Like I don't know that any I don't think that it can be fixed like in my mind in in My fantasy land Linux does something similar to what windows does when you want to reinstall windows And you're not a techie what you do is you go into settings and click reinstall windows Or if you if there's a new version of windows Like like when windows 10 was released windows Microsoft came out with a tool that said install windows you press the install button while you're in your installation of windows It did some stuff and then it rebooted the computer launched you into the installer and it installed windows That's this experience linux has to have where you're online. I don't know if it's possible I don't know if it's technologically possible or not, but you're in windows you download Your distro it comes up with an application written in whatever it's going to look like a wizard from 1998 And it's going to say install Kaboom 2 You click the the install thing you probably have to enter a password of some kind because of course you do Or if the authentication pop-up thing pops up in windows Run as administrator You have to do this It's going to do some stuff in the background. I don't know what that stuff is It's going to reboot your computer automatically launch you into the kaboom 2 installer That's how easy linux should be Now like I said, I'm not sure if it's actually technologically possible I doubt very much that microsoft and intel or whatever are going to give that level of of control over to a Random thing that you download off the internet um But in a dream world, that's the way it should be and if we can get to that point Linux will be pretty crazy. I mean people would install Linux like crazy because it'd be so easy Yeah I completely agree with you I know you do now stop using windows. What the hell is wrong with you? Okay, all right We have to move on because I have to talk about crusader for the next 20 minutes. All right All right, so every week tyler and I go out and we Search for our favorite apps of the week and we call them apps of the week. We call them picks of the week We call them various things But this is how we end the show. So tyler before I get on to my new love child. Oh, it's so good crusader It's so good. What is yours? I'm glad you're uh letting me go first because I'm definitely going to do something Dirty the uh this podcast. I'm going to uh Give my app of the week and then I'm going to sprint to the bathroom and use the bathroom because I have drank way too much juice and water and It's a problem. So uh for my app or pick of the week, uh, it's ventoy Um, I don't know if I've talked about it on the podcast. I know I've talked about it Occasionally in live streams and I'm I'm sure I've mentioned it in a video um But it's a fantastic tool for um, trying out new distros trying out anything. Um, You you can flash it to a To a usb drive and then you just copy over the isos that you you want over to the drive and That's it. You just you can magically boot up from anything like you just I have one 256 gigabyte flash drive right here And this has like this has windows 11 on it has a shitload of Linux distros on it. Um, like a lot and Yeah, like I don't I don't have to do anything. I can take that with me and try out anything Ventoy looks really cool. I have not I've heard of it before never tried it before so But that's definitely not something that I definitely need to check out so You can run off to the little boys room now and I will will do I will talk about my app of the week Which you're missing something really good here, but he does he can't even hear me anymore All right, so he he's gonna come back 20 minutes from now And realize that I'm still talking about uh crusader. So I've been looking for The perfect file manager Forever like for the last two or three years. I've been trying to find one I thought nemo was it like I thought that nemo could be it was everything that I could possibly want in a gooey file manager And nemo is really good. It's like it has dual pane. It's well designed. It has single click to to open It's really good But then I wanted something else like I always want something more and the thing that I wanted Was to have a file manager that would remember my position Right and I talked a little less a little bit a little bit about crusader on the podcast that we did before Thanksgiving And I was still having problems with it then right because I was just learning it And the thing is about crusader Is that it has that feature where it will go through and allow me to to uh Close the application and open it back up and it will remember where all the tabs and stuff that I had You know open when I closed it and that is amazing, right? It's just so good and The thing about crusader though that a lot of people aren't going to like is it is a kde app and like all kde apps It has a ton of dependencies like all the dependencies If you want to do battery name you have to have something special installed if you want to have pre like image previews You have to have A dependency installed if you want to do unzipping and arch on archiving and stuff like that You have to have something installed. It literally you go right down the line. It has like 30 dependencies that you have to have in order to make it as good as it could possibly be And that's kind of turned me off to begin with it really did But after I've used it for a while Oh, man, is it good? uh Not only does it remember Your position so like when you close it and open it back up It remembers all your tabs and where you were it's really good that way and it does that out of the box But once you get all the little pieces installs that allow you to do all the stuff so it has it does image previews really well If you install console it has a terminal based in built into it kind of like dolphin does it's really good that way It has a text editor if you have kate installed that you can actually edit text Documents right inside the the thing. It's not something I've ever used but it's you know, it's there if you want it but it will also Allow you to go through and there are um a lot of tools that allow you to do this But basically if you want to go through and compare two directories or two drives And then sync them together Like there are tools that all you do this but this is built right into the file manager So you can go through I went I have When I'm done with the video and I have all my videos. They are stored on an ssd in on my computer, right? And that's where I say it's like a 500 gigabyte ssd But every like once every few months that thing approaches getting full So I have to move them to a slower mechanical hard drive But prior to this I was always just well, you know, I'll just take these one by one and transfer them over the really hard way Um because I was too lazy to look up for a tool to do this But with crusader it has the comparison thing so I compared the mechanical hard drive to the ssd and had it sync the ssd to the Mechanical hard drive so all that stuff was moved over there and then it deleted the stuff on the ssd So that it was the mechanical hard drive had all had all stuff. It's amazing and that's just all built into the file manager and it is So good like literally it's the best app. I've ever found on linux. It's Amazing everybody should use it. Um, but everybody would hate it probably right out of the bat because I guarantee you there's going to be things that don't work Like getting to an image preview and crusader is hard Because not only do you have to have the certain dependency in order to even enable the damn things But also finding the little arrow key that you have to press And then the button you have to press in order to get the it actually to appear on on the screen It's kind of a pain in the ass And I've forgotten how to do it like five times because they bury it like crazy. Why they do that? I don't know But so there are those little things that are just like Dylan installed this thing this morning And uh, I'm sure he doesn't like it, but uh for me it was it's just oh, man So good So good like literally this is the reason why I This is one just another reason why I could never be you tyler and leave linux behind You microsoft fanboy. I have not left That's that's not true. You you're you're I mean you literally have the microsoft hat on I have canonical on like on my like laptop. It's all right. That's bullshit. I don't believe it proof I have I literally have you bundt all I've heard for the whole podcast Is oh windows is great windows is great all hell windows Oh You lucky man. I put I put my backpack in the closet. That's gonna make looking yeah All I hear is words. That's all I hear is words Do I really have to grab my laptop? I don't believe you at all. I don't think I don't think you've touched linux in the last three weeks Hey, it's going to get it. That's funny. I just like trolling him. It's so much fun. Okay, uh So, um Well, he's gone off to do that Uh, I should go ahead and think uh, wait a minute. He's back Let's see the I don't believe I don't I actually don't believe I'm pretty He's just gonna hold on hold on his low note It's gonna All right, so this is I don't know if you can tell but it says ubuntu right down there But hold on just let me put him up. I'm pretty sure you searched google images And you're just gonna show us a series of images Don't don't embarrass yourself like this man. Come on. Come on Taking an awful long time to load for being linux Sure That looks like a picture from google images. All right Oh Windows trader I'm still using linux. I I still have open bsd on a pc here Like who yeah, um, yeah that counts just All right before we go I gotta take a moment to thank my current patrons, which I don't actually I still haven't set up the damn scene. I gotta do set the scene. So thanks everybody who's a patron. I don't have your names Uh memorized. I should have it memorized. I don't they keep moving around. I do appreciate everybody But I haven't set up the scene with the with the graphic because I keep forgetting I didn't even know it wasn't there like I had no clue and he even did try and prep. He went through scenes and checks So he truly honestly didn't like it didn't even it didn't even cross my mind that it wasn't there like I like oh Everything looks fine to me and then you get to the end of the show like where the hell's the patreon scene? It's not there. Anyways, I guess it doesn't matter. All right Anyways, thanks to all the patrons if you would like to support the show You can do so patreon.com slash linus cast You can also support the show by going to the store link in the In the video description and clicking on that and buying some merch because we have some merch soon to have a Some kind of t-shirt that says uh, what would it something about workspace? Uh, Yeah, this is your brain on workspaces. Yeah, we got to have that t-shirt. Seriously. I will buy a t-shirt Someone needs someone needs to go either on your discord or my discord And send us like the best pictures that you can find of matt making awkward faces and we'll blow that up It's not gonna be as good as that one of you playing zero ad that has gone viral I mean that is on the back of some some of the designs so you can't get merch with that All right. Anyway, so that is it for us this time. Thanks everybody for watching coming up next week Would you pay for linux? Should you pay for linux? That'll be coming up next week. Thanks everybody for watching We'll see you then