 Do you have any amendments or additions to the agenda, Stephen? I move that the agenda has written. Second. Okay, all in favor? All right. Appointments are doing things a little bit different now, Mary, so we've been doing appointments before the public comment, so. Okay. You are up first. Do you have anybody else that's coming out on your cell? I don't have a cell. Okay, so we can jump right to your appointment if you're good. Okay. Just to give you a little bit of history, the forward festival started in 1989 by the Federal Business Association, and they were doing it to highlight downtown businesses in the area, grass people and artists, and they conducted it for seven years very successfully, and it even expanded to a three-day event at different times. And then they sort of ordered cells out, and they, you know, people changed their interest in the retiree, this kind of thing, so it stopped. And then about eight years ago, I think it was, kind of day by day, we liked it, because several people said, we really got to do this again. So we got a few groups committed to come out, and we mostly did, in the front here in New York, down the street for a few years, and then we did out to the common, because it's a safer place for kids, and the traffic, of course, is always a problem. So we also did parade a couple of years until we realized we were really open. Plus the traffic stopped in four or five different places. This is a major event. And the fire department, which is about their day when they're earning their money and doing their shift of work, people rather than doing traffic control. So that's the problem. So we moved out to the common, and that worked out pretty well. There are lots of, there are several different groups in the New York government. They do their own organization, all of us come together. Tracy says they're only full. The churches do breakfasts or dinners. And there are scouts and school music groups which gets to participate, and where it's quite a good way to advocate for their programs. And of course, in the five years, and last year, we got a big event in New York. I think it needs a boost. It's a fairly expensive, but the entertaining part is there are many expenses. We're just in perhaps seeing a bigger boost. Mary and I had spoken a week or two ago, and I was telling her, as I've told you guys, and certainly Wendley and I, and I, a couple of years ago, I don't know if I'm talking about that now, I don't know. I went to a great economic development conference telling me one of the things that they suggested was, don't reinvent the wheel. If your town has a festival or something, get behind it. And try to make it bigger and do certain things to assist with it. And a couple of years ago, we started giving $500 in appropriation. But we're trying to push economic development, and it certainly seems like this would be, this is a great way to do it. It gets people to bat those, so they can see what's here and get to see what a great town it is. So, when Mary and I were chatting, we talked about $2,000 since increasing the appropriation, because we know how hard it is to find volunteers. And then you're asking for volunteers to raise more money to do something that benefits us. It feels like, you know, maybe the town needs to have a sort of ownership here to talk about re-saving the 5K and doing all sorts of things. Maybe expanding some things downtown, trying to get someone to, you know, maybe horse buggy or whatever, to get people from up there to down here and work with the local BRI, as well as all the businesses and try to have something, you know, a little bit. Any questions from the board? So, Mary, do you charge rent for those things? Yes. Yes, one of the ways which we raise a bit of money, usually it's, kind of numbers depending on what they're going to need. We also do RAP, which usually brings in around $400. We have done fundraisers, dinners, sometimes dinners are better than success. Emily, you do get some, we have got some donations for your quality of housing, banks or local groups. Do you remember what the total amount of your expenses were for the last time that you did it? I would say, EverChain is usually around $900,000. We have, I don't think it's more than that, because the last couple of years Scott Paulson has assisted us and we have paid $800 for his PA system and to EverChain. And then we usually have, at least one other group. And then you'd also be able to put those bills in magnets. So yeah, the expenses were bigger trying to advertise the event, especially to this year because we want to expand the event, there's going to be more, you know, higher costs if you have to, if you decide to, you know, make that happen, give somebody money for the, for some wagging and that sort of thing. It depends on who's involved and what they should do. It varies a bit in the year. And this is something too that you could also put, you know, into the budget, just like you do to rivers and those aren't under, you know, those aren't appropriations that like a social service committee goes, we could add this to the budget like something like that. So it's, you know, it doesn't touch the social, affect the social service. Does that come into the part of our creation? Well right now it's, Right now it's under, I think it's just under, let's see where those other appropriations are. They're under here. It's under appropriations. Well we have also tried to fit it in between temperature here, which sometimes varies. And it still has theirs event the last weekend in September. So if there is an extra weekend in there, then we choose that. It's just in the top, it is under appropriations. So if you have like, the cities and towns that's over there, two groups are in there, one is over in Belcher. So there's certain things that we just tag in there. Oh. So it's under that it's under appropriations and social services committee that is part of your budget. Just be, well, I mean, I guess my idea was kind of to see how the budget process go. We will be starting that probably in the next meeting. I'll come up there too and start going through those. So I will be interested to see how the budget is coming together and what our budget looks like. I mean, I think it's definitely an activity that the town should be behind. And, you know, I don't know if I can tell you, we get you $500 or $2,000 or what we're not looking at. I think it's something that the board of members should, you know, we should look at strongly after forming the budget. I guess one question will be, would this be an appropriation that we just want to make once a year? Or would this be something where we want to kind of, like we've done with others, start the fund so that you can move money from one year to the other? They already have their own, you know, they have their own account. They have their own account? Yeah, but they really just carry a very little money in it because usually what comes in goes out so there's not much money in it right now, I don't think. And so they already have their own account only because I'm sure that's the way someone set it up originally. But, I mean, I can certainly put it in the budget. I can get it just for 100, 50 years to go. Yeah, I could have looked at it when I should have, but I can put the two grand in the budget and we'll just see what the budget looks like. Build it around that and see if people will come up. I would say any information would give us that would be helpful. Okay. Well, I can give them that. Maybe what the previous year cost or what you're looking to grow to, you know, 2021, you know, so that we can kind of, you know, look at that. We have spent very little on advertising and I think that's a, it's, you know, would be good if we could spate on that. Yes, I think that's true. I can do the historic expenses because we have to do that. Yeah. So I can look that up before you put as far as ideas for the future. Yes. I think that would be one of them for sure. It would be advertising and like we said, if you were to do something different with, you know, to just try to change it, you know, we talked about maybe trying to get DT to do something and, you know, we already have, like you said, the horse bulls and the energy committee which has been last year for the first time. Yeah. So you know if you have and you'd like to expand that. I think we've talked about that before while trying to bring it down some of those businesses. Yes. That was our goal in the years. Yeah. Well, I wanted to add a little bit to what Mary had said just historically that in 2016 when we did Better Block and it came, you know, all the way down Main Street, we saw a significant upturn in participation but a lot of that was there was a lot of advertising costs coming from Better Block and so that had been part of the discussion was like could some of that shift and then, you know, continue to include downtown and I think what ended up happening was like just people power. There just wasn't quite enough and then budget for doing extra advertising. So really having having seen what it can do, you know, I think it was pretty phenomenal that year. It really, people had no issue walking back and forth. There was, you know, good traffic, really slowed down traffic on Main Street. Like it just really kind of brought those two pieces together and I think the downtown businesses have over the years said like, it'd be great to bring it back. It'd be great to bring it back. But we just haven't quite made that connection happen. And I think it, you know, this is one way to really sort of drive that home and say, okay, we've gotten some extra appropriations from the town but we need that, that match of people power now. You know, we can't do it just with money. It's really, it's kind of the two coming together. Well, I moved to work out in Australia when we had the venue with the bar and the vanity and all that. Yeah, that was the first time last year. That was real. When we planned to talk about the whole console and the board or it comes from the audience. It's a large audience tonight so, you know, a little volunteer then? Yeah. Okay. Okay. We have about ten fold out there with the normal audience. So, all right. Thank you, Mary. Sure. Thanks for your good consideration. You know, the point is to put it around this, um, this, um, this, um, November? Yeah, I'll talk, we'll leave it at that. Yeah. Okay, and I'll get in the board to explain this in the past. Well, we have in November, if I tell you so, I'll, I'll, I'll put two thousand and a bunch more. There. See, buddy. Well, we're going to see what we have. Hi, Steve. Hello. So, in here you'll see that, um, there's a quick landing house to be 30 days, because we have to do the, um, the 1061 is the notice of conveyance. Here, I'll do that first, but we can sign them. I know you certainly see and tell you all you have to know about it and what the process is. Yeah. So, I think we're down to the last few steps on the whole, you know, through the project. So, um, it's true to say, you know, there's a pre-existing easing that the town had to install regret on the property. And, so, we've, um, asked our journey and it's been approved, but it has to be to the right of the point of view that would basically release that easing on the property and that was a requirement from all of our funders that did not, you know, the whole point of this is not to, um, continue to kind of rip that, the river in that area. So, in order for the town to, um, convey that easing, or, the court made that easing, I'm sorry. To give up that easing there needs to be this 30-day, um, appeal period, uh, triggered by the 1061 notification. So, that's, I guess, the first question is, uh, the mechanics of that. So, I presume that it gets published, posted, and... it has to be, um, it gets posted in three places, and it has to get published in the newspaper of General Circulation for at least 30 days, um, prior to any post conveyance. So, I'll try to, you know, I'll try to get it tomorrow in quite a minute. In the paper, like, it was 30 days, and, um, for the select board, I included in there the notes from General Clay, and as you can see, there's a, lengthy, um, language for post-emotion that needs to be made, um, if you're to, uh, remove the 1061 notice, which we need done, so we can move forward with conveys, like, board chair over such persons, you know, shall be authorized to exit through all conveyance-related documents at the conclusion of the 30-day notice. So, it can either be Chris, or it can be me. Um, so, Chris isn't hard to find, so we can, it's fine, either way. So, on it? Read it, but I want to move a bit. Huh, we have a lot of time to waste the money. We all have to see it. You have copies, so you can put in minutes, right? Do you have a copy to copy at least? What? Yeah. Oh, okay, sorry, I don't think anybody was going to email it to you. That's right. I can put it in. It's a paragraph to approve post and publication of the notice. Not there, it's in the previous page. You know, it's on the back. So that's language that's going to go into motion? Yeah, and um, I can, I can type it into my arm. Okay, that's the real space. Yeah, it's like a paragraph long. So you just need a notice, a motion to accept the notice of conveyance. Need to approve the, the motion needs to be to approve the posting and publication of a notice of sale of municipal real estate pursuant to 24 VSA 1061A1 of an easement for the installation of rock rip rap on the west bank the third branch of the White River as conveyed to the town by easement deed of Thomas W. Kellogg and Madeline Kellogg dated April 26, 1984 and reported in Book 55 at page 10 of the Betheland records provided no petition is submitted pursuant to 24 VSA 1061A2 objecting to set conveyance to select board share shall be authorized to execute the solicitation of the 30 day notice period. So moved. Sorry. Thank you for reading that. Now what was, I guess, what was the main reason why they had the the easement of rock rip rap? They had given it you had issues years, years ago. You talked about downtown with that? There was I think I had given a copy of the easement a while ago. So it was what was the easement of the rock rip rap? And they it looks like they did the work because there was some rip rap around the area but obviously it didn't hold up. So they they granted it they randomly did some rip rap that easement is still on in case you need to go on for their maintenance right? Exactly. Yeah. So we need to Yeah. So we need to get rid of it. Yeah. And then the rip rap now now then it will go to natural The rip rap itself is actually downward Yeah. It has no purpose anymore. So there's No? It's not at all. I know. It's does not know So we have a motion of second All in favor? All right Then I'll like that that's All time Okay. Which is back to point here. Yeah. for the slip order, the sign, and the memorandum of agreement with the DRC and the Department of Conservancy, authorizing really the whole convenience of property from DRC to the town once this easement appeal period is up. So we raised $8,000 or so of the 90 that is necessary to complete the deal. And both of our funders, the primary funders, require this is really the equivalent of a person's sale agreement. It's an official sort of recognition by the town that this project is going to go forward. So I gave Therese a copy, I have actually two copies that I've signed here also. And I believe that they've seen this before. It was like maybe it was an acquired package. Because they had a different date on it. Yeah, there was one of these was presented in the slip order two years ago. And we changed this one to a project that if the property is not acquired, it's not purchased by the DRC. We know it. The prior NRA was anticipating the sale. So Jill and Clay and I redrafted that to kind of bring up the current conditions. So the bill had been made by the time you got it. So that was the time of the year. And Jill and Clay has looked it over so they're smelling the town attorney. So certainly no reason for us not to make a motion to. So you don't need a motion just to say a motion? Well, you need a motion. I would say that you should have a motion to authorize the chair to sign the Miranda Agreement between the town of Bethlehem and the Connard Preservation. So who? Sharko? Well, maybe. All right. So if you have two sidelines, Chris can sign Steve. Sorry. Yeah. Just because we have Steve and Mary here, are people from the town and somewhat even more specifically thinking like school teachers taking groups of students, are we allowed to go onto that land? Or would you like us to sort of hold off on that until it ends? It's, I mean, for our part, it's fine for people to be out there. It's all insured under us right now. But no more of the adults. Right, yeah. Just I'm mostly thinking, because we're doing, with the middle school, we're doing entirely outdoor classroom-based education right now. And it's right across from the schools. So it would be a cool property to just kind of take them into to talk about the difference of the woods behind the school versus the field and the flatland and the river and get them doing some observations on that. It's fine with us. Cool. Yeah. People with zero normal security skills. That is absolutely part of what we're teaching them. So yeah. Yeah, that's cool. Go, Steve. OK. Thank you. Thank you. I think so. All right. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Go, Steve. Go, Steve. Go, Steve. And this is Chris. People who sent you a letter hoping to be on the committee. We met both Chris and Casey at our last meeting. And they seem, you know, like professional on the ball, ready to go. It's a volunteer committee. So we're really happy that there is some talent coming from the law school and the energy clinic. They both have worked in the energy clinic. Are you currently in the clinic now? Yes, I am. Yeah. And Casey was in there over the summer. So that's a great link because a lot of times we reach out to the energy clinic anyway just as a reference. They've done a lot of projects that are really amazing. So that is where we're looking at adding two new members to bring us up to a total of five, which would be a great number to have. Yes, it would be. That was great. Yeah. Does Rolton have an energy committee here? Does Rolton have an energy committee here? Today, Todd Tyson, he does the radio. He might be on the Randolph or Tumbridge Energy Committee, but I haven't heard anything solid. I just kind of have a few random networks out there. One of these letters mentions that they wanted to be involved because Rolton software doesn't have a Rolton share in Apple. Yeah. I don't have a website that mapped out other energy communities. Yeah. And it noted that sharing in Rolton Apple, but it didn't list a website, it was just a basic number or an email address. Yeah. Yeah, all I ask is, you know, you started talking about this a month or so ago, not just energy committee, but some of the committees in Bethel that are low on attendance right now and how maybe we could partner with a neighboring town to maybe something like the energy committee to be partner with Rolton or Rochester or something to pool some talent together and stretch out and chill a little bit. So I didn't know. This was an opportunity with, you know, Rolton residents that, you know, of doing that, you know, might be something to do to reach out and to see if they even, you know, could be famously put one together and just dissolve over the years and not be active, you know. Could be. We're happy with that. I'm fine with people. It might be a chance to do something with our neighbors and maybe, you know, there might be more people working on the energy committee like that. Yeah. And I guess we appreciate the low enrollment of committee and it's important to remember that. We live in a town of 2,000 people. The population is 2,000 and that fits into one city block. We are, we're a really small, small town. So South Rolton, you know, we can kind of think of them as just one block over. We're really in the same town in some ways. And I kind of, when I read that, you know, our committee drew interest. I was just thinking, yes, I have put so much out there trying to draw talent to our town, to the energy committee. And I totally respect the Rolton Energy Committee, but if they're not active and open and ready to receive this talent, I think we should run with it. Both of these students at the law school plan on graduating in 2022. And who knows if they happen to want to live here or in South Rolton. That might be a time to kind of pursue the South Rolton Energy Committee further. But thinking of just kind of a one-year term with some law school students, I think it's a good fit at this time. And we do plan on continuing advertising to Bethel that we are looking for members. And according to the 15th, I found this, like four minutes, we can have five voting members, and beyond that, they are just advisory non-voting members. So if we were to pull a Bethel resident on in a non-voting capacity for 10 months, and then after when the terms get renewed, maybe the Bethel resident could have voting powers. And the South Rolton resident would be a advisory. Been too successful, but it would be nice to, you know, maybe talk a bit more, and you know, I know it's a little different now because a lot of our high schoolers know Rolton, but, you know, it's, it'd be nice to see, you know, one upper level educated child that wants to, you know, senior or junior that would like to be on a committee. We have a system which schools, you know, for student volunteers to fulfill some social media tasks. And that would be great to see, you know, someone who's just thinking about their future and wants to make a difference in our town. Would you be able to send me the contact person at the school, because I'd love to reach out and let them, you know, try to make them what was the same way, give them someone to maybe look at other committees. That'd be great. Yeah, you mean for White River Valley High School? Yeah. Oh, for career centers. Well, where is that guided high school? So, yeah, can you give me that on the super? Yeah, so the... Yeah, probably. Okay. Perfect. Yeah, and like, me, I grew up, so I went to Randolph school, but we paid taxes in Bethel. So, you know, you, we're kind of all spread out. Yeah. We'll share to you a point, to gentlemen, if you want to just read your names into the record, so yeah, just make sure you're good. This is the biggest part. Yeah, this is the biggest part. He's not trying to be honest with you. Oh, I'm sorry. So, Casey has... has to do the other one. Casey has a person for software for a term of one year as one of the members. Do you want spellings? Is that what you're... What? Were you wanting spellings? I can't hear you. I'm sorry. Do you want spellings for those? No. Okay, good. And all the masks, they, you know, can't tell who's in the audience anymore. Maybe you're half the time. So, uh, motion... for a point one of those? Move to accept. Okay. Second? Okay. All in favor? All right. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for taking interest. Yeah. You know, we're definitely on... But when it comes to infrastructure, things in the budget, if you're finding cost comparison, making good decisions with the taxpayer's money. Perfect. So... And we'll be back in, um, the beginning of the year with some goals and strategies. All right. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Have a good one. Thanks, Chris. Thank you. Thanks for doing that. You're welcome. Thank you for having me. I apologize. Jesse, I think you can see you're there, you know, undercover and, you know, so... It's just a few minutes and I don't know if you can be going along with this. Yeah. Okay. I'll look in for an interview. Yeah. Okay. We got our appointments done. We won't open it up to any public comment or inquiry period. So if there's anything that isn't currently on the agenda for this evening, that anybody would like to bring up or discuss, this will be the time to do that. Thank you. So, anybody with their hand out? Yeah. It isn't the easy one. The... Down at the park, there's a fair amount of dog waste that's being left in Havana. Can we just give a little sign and put up a post? I don't know which food it'll do, but it's... You know, people aren't going to be out after themselves, so... No, I can do that. Down at Havana? Yeah, sorry. Yeah. No, I can go to Havana. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Well, thanks for my message. Great. You're not going to have enough to be going to Havana? No. No. Dad, can I have one of that? Okay. Me, you know. But... We seem to have that issue early this year. You remember? Yeah, we have. And then it's sort of a resolve, but now it's an issue of the park. Is that the recreation center? Yeah. We have signs there, too. Yeah. They're going to stop you from the recreation center. Oh, okay. So order and mobile. Yeah, exactly. But we have some there. That's so awesome. But one could be better. Anything else, please? The recreation committee is so, so very thankful for so much support that we've been getting about the Skateboard Park with our coin drop and our raffle. I have done $500 worth of raffle tickets already. And so we had started at our July meeting. Started to plan a thank you opening ceremony and to have a drawing. And it has come to light to us that there are going to be projects at the center that's going to interfere. And it's not a good idea to have a celebration of October 3rd, which we had started planning at our July meeting. So I kept thinking, well, how do we do the drawing? How do we do the drawing and say thank you to all these people that are doing so much to support us? And so I was wondering if we could do a small event at the band channel October 3rd, have a band, a skateboard demonstration and do our drawing. We talked about 11 to 4 having something, having people bring a picnic, some hot dogs and lemonade. So we're open to suggestions just so that we can really say a good thank you to people and do our drawing because we have so many people that I have so many to us to talk about. So obviously there's a mass which you're aware of, of people. So obviously in social distancing there's no background. So what about the cost for the band? We were going to get the band free. They were going to do an April event with us and they were going to do a free event. So they were going to do it for free but that got canceled our April event. So basically we're still working on that. Not just Chuck and Kelly certainly to see there's a facility for more people. There's rules for the facility. No smoking, no old flames. I feel like I'm a couple more than I think. You can't say no skateboards if part of it's a skateboard. Is there? I don't think that's what's going on. Is there a skateboard demonstration at the church parking lot? Well, a neighbor of mine has built this wooden thing. So I thought to borrow it and just on the brass part that had a skateboard to demonstrate where I started with the where the fountain there's space or at the end where the farmer's warranty was set up and had a demonstration there. With the band concerts I went to all the band concerts and I worked with people so it's a business and it's a mess. So I thought it would be a good work for the... But I'll just talk about how to do it. Unfortunately, I'm sorry about it. It was just the delay and the cage I was going to be taking and I couldn't put it to the parking lot. So it's just going to be messy and obviously we need to be so ready to be seating around the skate park and the skate park needs to be overclocked so I was like we just can't have enforcement as well. Oh, by the way, a signer made it with two skateboarders. I know. We put a sign up today and said, please, we're happy that you're happy but we need you to wait until October 1st. It's so awesome. So that's good, yeah? Yeah, so anyway. So, yeah, so we, you know, we think and maybe, you know, with suggestions from you guys do our drawing and a small bit of an inch. It's a public, you know, place so I'm going to go. Yeah, I don't know if we need board rules to do ahead. I don't know. I don't know if it's anybody. As long as they make the state regulate if they don't approve they've got to meet what the state's requiring at the time, right? Yeah. Just fill out this form with the town office and then if they work out with the town office I don't know. Most of the time I'm sorry. I was saying that if they don't serve food they'd have to meet state requirements. Oh, so you think they have to have a bathroom? I have no idea. I think, you know, this one could only reach out to the white chair because they're allowed to use the, you know, probably use the church or, you know, or the day. But I don't think you need that. I mean, I don't think you need permission from the board to ban jail and just have to fill out form and maybe talk to Kelly, yeah. She keeps the schedule. I know somebody on the Saturday is doing a fitness thing and I don't remember what time she clears out. So you don't mind. That's what I'm saying. I don't know. It's Saturdays on going and it's open to the public and so you'd have to ask again that's what Kelly is the keeper of the county. Oh, okay. Very good. Yeah. Thank you. I will definitely do that. All right. Thank you. Sounds good. Thank you. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah, actually this is committee related. So basically in advance of Wednesday's special meeting on the town plan where I have a few people who are going to be submitting a letter and suggestions about the town plan. But one of the suggestions is to create a new equity committee within Bethel, within our committee grouping, what would you call it, or committee boards options? Yeah. And so I'm here just to ask what the proper channels we want this to be something that we go through the proper channels. I'm not familiar with how a new committee gets created here. And so I'd love to help on that. Sure. I actually own an email to me. Okay. And so I even on the back because he has some questions about inclusion in the social inclusion in the town plan. So I looked up two rivers, you know, regional two rivers on what I've got. Do you know what I mean? And so they have a regional town plan and they have a bigger section. So I copied and pasted an email to Owen and then he asked the same thing about the committee. So my suggestion to Owen was because he explained it was going to be one year and he had a couple three points or commission statement. So my comment to Owen was hey, we could just you know, bear that on to the board and maybe he talks about what those three statements are. You know, how he gathered the information or the data. Like how is it measurable? Like how do we know if we're successful to get the point in a point to get a guess? So I got so I had emailed him that information and that was my opinion. That way I figured that the board had you know, a good memo outlining what he wanted the committee you know, he even had a timeframe for one year and then he had some ideas and goals. So I figured if he had it all in a memo we could give it to the board and I'd give it to him in a packet. Is there any type of official, you know, regulations or anything that goes to the board? No, but I was going to ask the one thing I did say to Owen and I was going to ask Chris what was the visioning committee? That ended just when I got there and I don't know what it... The visioning committee was really well, we started it and it just lost membership so it really I put on one or two of us to do it again just in that time do it again. The visioning committee is really like just out in front of the planning committee. We're gathering the community information of what what community members would like to see in their panel and that information is brought to the planning commission to kind of make it happen. Like the vision is like a long term, like a 10 or 20 year vision rather the planning commission is really just short-sighted to look at your next, you know, one to five years where your visioning is really like the White River you know, into your village you know, like that. I told what I'd asked but it wasn't. Well, I mean it's still technically, you know, pretty it's just kind of dying because nobody could attend it anymore. But, I mean in the past if it's going to be a town if it's going to be a town committee what we've asked for is some sort of like vision or mission statement of what the committee you know, kind of like what the committee would all be about. And you know, I don't think we've asked for like time how long it's going to be together. They're like just like Yeah, just what the committee is and what the goals of the committee would be and then then we would we would have to make like a special appointment so that anybody wanted to come and you know talk for against the committee more often to do that and then most before the board members to you know, prove it or not. Right, and they would have to decide like are they you know, probably if you have a max not a people not sure that matters but if they were all about the residents or where did you want it to be you know, that sort of thing where you're going to allow outside membership that sort of thing to ask. Yeah, I'm sorry I should have CC doing my response to all the other committees like you saw tonight the energy committee then after that then you then you have to formally sign up for a committee usually the committee is like a one year assignment and every year you kind of re-up if you want to go and then what we ask is for some sort of formal letter from each person of you know, well where really is usually a big one and then you know make no reason why they want to hear that one and then all of a sudden frankly she's running and they didn't know they're out of the job and you know so now we ask you to just kind of give us a formal letter that they want to do it and you know we're running for a year and we've never rejected anybody and we used to you know tell them if they are from outside you know with the end kind of a little more in depth on you know why I think that would work you know and is that sort of up to the committee then to determine how many people are on that committee and how many you know whether they can be in or out of town that's up to the committee itself. Sure. Yeah you can kind of I mean it's because it's not a statutory driven like planning commission so it's not either by state statute so you can kind of make those you know when you do establish a committee like that and you do you know do an agenda just like for this life board and take your you know meeting minutes and go to Kelly to give to the board members and you know you have to follow the open meeting law all which if you have any questions just email me I can give you that stuff but do you want me to forward that email to you that I sent to him that yeah okay alright and but yeah us and in his emails for detail so yeah and the town and then it was a lot and there was a much bigger information than to reverse one of the regionals so I sent that to see if that would you know kind of help if it gets it done well if it just brings it Wednesday then just have it bring if you can bring a couple extra copies of it because I did I received like a page and a half like Victoria Webber and anyone who doesn't it's easier for me to have you know what I would work with with that later something physical and kind yeah that was super for me yeah he comes on Wednesday yeah oh yeah that would be great thank you definitely it'll be here it'll be here great I know at least one person is coming I'm going to be I used to go when we did the morning good I thought it was great it was just going to be I thought it was great yeah it's just going to have to be a get out get a plan out yeah it doesn't it doesn't have to be a good thing I don't think this one's great right anything else a comment inquiry anything else that's not on the agenda this evening would that be a totally a question Jesse I do so alright yes next one we will move on so we have next on it was a revised spark grant application for skate park yeah this is the one that I had no no no no wait I think I made a mistake on this one yeah there's spark and the Vermont community foundation one okay well I will say this somebody gave me but the one well let's start with this one revised spark grant application yeah that's the one you gave me and you said it was the application submission was 1015 and explanation says payment for bounds of skate park or if the talent parent foundation pays $10,000 in full it was going to go to the skate park okay $80,000 says the letter has to spark has been premiered by the medical recreation committee to announce our intention to apply spark connecting community grant spark connecting community grants the community's requesting blah blah blah request of $3,000 yeah that's yeah well that was this was with it it says purpose of applying for the grant is to help fund the construction of the skate park and the recreation facility specifically for the balance due and that's $3,000 and I have said to you that $3,000 can't go $3,000 is paid back and you said that if the talent pays the full $10,000 in the skate park if not this will go to the paid back right right okay that's good funds required for this we don't actually need a motion to approve the application we'll pass we just don't know that you're submitting it right exactly so that's the deal with that that is not that is not a warrant at all okay and that's funny because that's the one I hand wrote and it says updated from the $3,500 2021 so this was all filled out yeah I made a mistake on that okay so the $3,000 one is no matching funds so if you get $3,000 you'll get the chip in so much right and the $3,000 will go to paying back the $10 unless she gets so the the next one is from to the Vermont Community Foundation no the other one is the Toronto okay and that's not for 20 anymore no that's for 15 okay and it says as a description the funds would be used for elements of the skateboard part that were currently eliminated because of budget cuts these elements are manual so that would that would be their you know pay the balance and then because the balance is we figure there's about $10,000 and then with $5,000 for the manual we have and elements that we have and what's the percentage of the match um the that we're doing the final results no I mean is it oh they didn't give me one oh Tara did so okay yeah Tara and and she called this morning and they're meeting in October nice and they'll have an answer to us by the end of October and they just want to know that we're we're doing the fundings that we're um we're we're they didn't have that we had to have a match or anything they just want us to be positively feeling fundraising yeah Tara tends to be more of an in kind so it's not a direct match it's more of the okay so I think that's what Ellie's referring to is like they're doing the fundraising they're considering that they're her kind yeah and you guys are constantly fundraising you can prove that all the time that's great okay thank you yeah I'm sorry no problem can I just clarify yeah so this is the Spark Grant the Spark Grant is the first one okay this is the second one is Tarant T-A-R-A-M-T instead of Vermont Community Foundation for 15,000 not 20 Spark is the Vermont Community Foundation okay they're one and the same no no yeah oh alright I was confused about that too Ellie any further discussion on the two grants good luck with those Ellie they shouldn't give me a motion to appoint two recreation committee members Melissa and Cable Harwood did they serve one year terms Ellie um we we never had terms I we never had terms I was recruited in 2010 we just can't get away and and and Shane we recruited people to pay on the interest of the committee of what like Dr. I recruited because he was interested in trails and we were trying to do trails Shane I recruited because we were young as people so we usually find and these two people they signed up at town meeting and I wasn't aware of it until um I found somehow I found out May and contacted them and met with them in June and have them come to participate in Zoom needs our Zoom needs so a motion to move them on the committee so so so now we'll have a a a a a a a property on over 59 to the group so it's basically the same process that you just went through for for the notice of municipal sale to do the get the rip wrap off you know easement off from that property we have to do the same thing we're going to have to write a notice all right we have to first we have to post a notice for sale and we're going to have to set a base for sale once we get you know a bidder that maybe we set a time so once we get the bidder then we have to go through this process and we warned we're going to sell a property to John you know James for X amount of money and you do the same thing with the tenants if you want to notice you're warned for 30 days and then if there's not a pushback from the voters then you go on the petition file so obviously you can see in here is the I gave you a copy of the appraisal that you paid for to have done by Rick Benson and his basically is what he said in the end is that he thinks in his opinion the defined value of the property is $26,000 so I talk to a real estate agent and although we're not going to use a realtor we'll advertise the paper ways that we'll advertise the property for sale if a real estate agent sells the property people we all know they're looking for property right now so then what she suggested was we plug 3% commission into our price so whatever our base that is that we're going to accept you need to make sure that the 3% is factored into that so if you and I were talking what would we currently have into the property it was $14,500 something like that and it was a few years ago obviously we've insured it and we have done a production process so yeah and I think that if you got it would take you at least I mean to cover time in my time I know Greg spent time with it and certainly 20 grand would cover more than cover maybe but you know we don't keep track of all the hours that we use certain things at least be paid back on it so you'd be paid back on it yeah but that doesn't include the 3% no it's what I'm saying is we need to have the 3% on top of it so say you decide that your minimum bid you're willing to accept is $27,000 because he gave you some comparables and the property there's a couple is that the septic while you can see on the last page I copied for you what the septic easement looks like it was never filed so Rick doesn't really know if the septic was put in in this manner this is you know there's the you think but you don't know for sure obviously there's pictures of the property and it's not obviously in good shape the roof leaks and there's quite a bit of damage there he validated it and you can see he doesn't put if you tell right now for you and he listed his comparable properties that had sold so he had you know $26,000 on one $27,000 on the other $24,000 on the other and the land with that he was sorry Judy you can crack if I'm wrong the land there that $11.48 is pretty yeah it's not very easy I don't even know where the house sits is to be Steve yeah the only thing I know about the the foundation is that Thad Smith Porta he told me that himself and I believe that Rick said it has radiant heat in it so really it seems like everything have to go and as it is this is a clean up job they know it bones about it the land needs to be cleaned up there's a jump there so even the septic would have to be redesigned now usually when when you the zoning permit has got to have the septic design approved right? no it's usually said that I think it says that we refer you to the state septic you have to follow the state septic regulations but we don't follow which is which is filed a string thing yeah so but and I'm not sure Rick I assume calls friends in the build I don't know but I'm serving you know to see if they file this you know permit I can certainly put a camera down there and see if maybe it was put it you know who knows yeah Rick was like I'm not sure so he didn't want to take a deep dive no no any pain again? yeah yeah so I did it so basically so what would you what would you propose that we set for a kind of do you have a number in mind? in mind I mean what's the number I think that he said it was his base he said 26 what's the I mean he says it's worth 26 the comparable you know yeah in that year 26 27 24 oh it's on the tax rolls for a month or two oh there's calm down here yeah calm down yeah calm down yeah calm down yeah calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down calm down 26,000 is, so it's, so then we have to advertise it and all that, so why don't maybe you could take them in the home? What do you think? Maybe 27,000 is this one. What do you think is the charges for the cradle? Uh, when it was 500. Was it 4,500 usually? Yeah, I was in the last, maybe, 500. 500, yeah, it was here. There was another part, so the concierge hill road that was 2.3 acres that went to 26. The Christian hill road that was probably more common, land-wise, that had 10 acres went for 27. No, I mean it seems like. That hill road, yeah, that was grand. Yeah, I mean it kind of seems like that, that 26, 27 seemed to be the. Yeah, you could put it, maybe that's your biggest bid, it's your minimum bid, it's going to be 27,000. It's the same when it was sold. People want to have a bid even more than have that money. What do you think the Hennemisees' comparable has to be within a year, right? He tries to find recent sales, yeah. So it says right here, date of sale, this one was 8, 26, 19, that's 640 sugar hill. The Christian hill was 8, 10, 20, 20. And that was 2017, it was fentanyl, so that was a older one, 5. Now what on Christian hill does have an aesthetic design? Yeah, so that would. That was, yeah, so. Well it's like this one has a aesthetic design to it, so it hasn't been confirmed. So, I mean it couldn't be there. I mean it probably isn't there, it just hasn't been there. It's like. Basically some of it is just flying in the land and they don't have anything on it. Yeah, yeah. And it would be as it is if you get there, exactly the way it is. Because you don't have to pay to tear that down and dispose of it. Yeah. So there's quite a cost. And this is a minimum, so. Yeah, and you're setting the base bid, which is, this is the least we're going to take for it. Yeah. So, I mean you could just say your base, as is, and the base bid is $27,000. As long as we come out and welcome the taxis world on it, which we are, right? Yeah, yeah, because you paid those, it was purchased like three, four years ago. Yeah, I know. I was purchased before I came and taxed it by E. And it was 14,000. 14 more. Okay. At least the good thing is we get rid of that. We don't go on and whining those back on the tax rolls. And if somebody pays it all up and add something nice up, then we win. Because it'll be something nice. I agree. This is what. So you go under the base bid of $27,000. As is. Yeah. Yeah. With the 3%? Yeah. Oh, $27,000. Cool. That's a great price. Gotcha. So move. All right. I'll make it. Give it that day. All right. Never should do it. I mentioned it earlier. I mentioned it last night. Yeah. And then we shouldn't be. I know. Yeah, it's not holding properties. It's holding properties. And it's purchase of a new cruiser. This is kind of maybe a hole because as you can see, I gave you a copy of Oscar's email and he said, although because it's a 2013. We already have a 2014. So it's like, why are we going backwards here? No. He said, all right, although it's 2013, has less mileage, it's better equipped. And he said he doesn't want to test drive the vehicle before we commit this to the slide board and things, you know, obviously. So you can see his email that he put in here. He gave us a card back on it. So you can see that they have done all the work to it and maintained it and all the warranty stuff that you would expect from Norwich. They're asking 12, but if they take 10, it's equipped with lights, computer mount, all that radio, the supplier, paper siren, et cetera. So when I gave you some pictures of it, and obviously Oscar and I have talked as, you know, about outsourcing the constable position. And because he doesn't want to work, you know, he's just too busy working in Wylton, which I totally get. I've talked to Beretta about, at Wylton, about maybe her, about contracting with Bethel. So we got some out of it. I've talked to the BSP about contracting it. BSP is busy right now. I got a hold of Lieutenant Kessler. And she said that, you know, basically right now they're having a hard time filling in their own contracts that they already have with other towns. So, you know, obviously that would be a nice partnership because the BSP is right there. But right now I haven't heard back from her. So she's, as she said, she's pushed it up the ladder, but I don't know where we're going. Did Wylton give you any idea on what they were trying to do? No, apparently she had to respond to my email. So when I talked to Oscar about it the other day, he said, oh, by the way, you know, she's, she was working on something for us. Oscar had another person in mind, which is what he asked us about, or asked about before, which was bringing in another constable so that they would pick up Oscar's hours. And Oscar wouldn't take any more hours that, you know, would be set at 20 hours per week. And he had somebody in mind. And I just said then the person needs to put an application and I agreed that I would at least meet them to see if, if I thought they would be a good fit for us or not. But as I said, and I told Oscar that, I'd like to contract it out, because it just takes the liability of the police with it. And obviously, you know, it's sometimes it's hard with the past constables. You know, you're just looking for someone who's, they're obviously not rules about being constable. And you have to be, have so many hours training and you have to have gone through something through the academy. But it would be nice if we had choices. So back to the cruiser, we're going to probably put this on hold. But what's the value of our current cruiser? So if we were going to sell it. You know, if we didn't take out a new cruiser, what's the value of, you know, more than that between buying and selling? Right. So this one would be 10. I don't know what he would get. I mean, the Tahoe, we got 500 for the Tahoe. I mean, that was the Tahoe. It doesn't take you better out of football. You know, my guess is... I think it's something to think about. What's the value of that when you get out of it? But I think you get like three grand or something. And this vehicle that's here in Norwich, you know, is there anything else that would have to be added to it for us to run at? He said some of it would have been able to take that. He said that he would be able to take things off from this cruiser. To put on that. But he was happy, obviously, that it was much more outfitted than this one was when we bought it. Because the one we bought, currently, you paid $7,000 for. $7,500. Plus, you had to equip a lot of it. Yeah. Well, I think once we, you know, put all the equipment in it, and I think that one needed tires, and we got it all out. I think we were 10. Equipment is not cheap in the fact that this came in with, you know, equipment is a big deal. So, but... $10,000. Yeah, because he said they were $12,000. Like, you know, half that $10,000 they heard it at the end. And then obviously, you know, what we sell the other before. But we were actually slated in the capital plan to trade this year. We knew that that was going to be slated for. As he explains, and I think Kit said in the email, too, that he's got some weird thing going on in the front end in the current cruiser, which he's tried to have diagnosed, but, you know, can't seem to figure out what that, what's going on. So... And then, you know, if we sat, I was talking to you the other day about it, if we sat on it for, let's say, another year, you know, what made me have to put into it to make that work, you know, as a, you know, if we only need to put $500 in it to run it another year, it might be worth it, but if we put $3,000 into it to run it another year, it might be worth it, you know. Right. Exactly. I think he was talking about that. Especially, you know, the whole, I mean, it's challenging, you know, just, we're not filling that role right now at its 100% capacity. However, if we get all of a sudden 100, so maybe we have to have you for it, right? Right. Exactly. So, you know, I... Well, we used this another couple of weeks. It was a more big cruiser replacement at this point. I mean, it's, you know, it's hard. I recently received an Oscar doing and what the vehicle is once he touched it out and everything. I'd like to hear more about what we're at and what we're putting together. I'd like also to wonder if you had a conversation about the difference in our size and population. They have, like, three full-time people and we have a 20-hour man. What constitutes that difference? Well, I mean, if you look back at, well, at least since the moment I've been on the board and kind of got handed out to say to us down from years, at least what, you know, what we've been told and heard is a majority of people in town would like to just stay in the hospital or a police department, where the world's in and out of the police department. So, you know, when you have a police department then you have to meet certain criteria of coverage. You know, so then you're talking, you know, you need to cover so many hours of the day. So obviously you can't one person if you're going to have, you know, cover 24 hours a day where the console and the thing, you're only setting aside a small work time, you know. So you may only work six hours a day. I understand all that. I mean, in my brain, you know, you've got three full-time people. What kind of crime do you have and what else do we don't have in Bethel? You know, I don't know. It's an interesting thing. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, do you know what I mean? I was having the same discussion a couple of weekends ago. This evening was in Wethersfield and Wethersfield has four full-time police officers in Wethersfield. They're four people. It's just, you know, because they have a police department that they have a, you know... I think it's historic. They have a supervisor and then they have people that, you know, who you have to have, you know, two shares to fill plus you have to have one person because there's some ways to help you. I'm not going to guess historically that they have at least, I mean, Bethel or Crystal, where I came from, had three full-time and two part-time. Their area was one square mile. One square mile was really just the village and we had the Sheriff's Department did the, I lived outside and so eventually we contracted with the Bristol PD to do the town we gave and the 10,000 a year we gave them to use to get to the Sheriff's Department. So, but Bristol had had a police department for ever. So I assume that I wonder, Dave, has worked in just had a police department for a long time or... You know, I don't know. I just don't understand. I don't know. It doesn't make sense to me. I don't know for any reason. The only thing at Vermont if your town meets the criteria sort of you have, I think it's two or three thousand or less people and you don't, and you choose not to have a lot of enforcement in your town then in Vermont State at least half of the patrol is in there. So there's a statute about the minimum of this but... Didn't have a little service if you paid them to contract versus not... I think in the past and you know, you've always wanted a constable not a full-time police force but somebody that took having a presence of some speed enforcement or community involvement, you know, when you contract somebody in from outside you don't usually get that community call. You don't see that person that comes to the Ford Festival for an hour or two or goes to school for a little period of time. They really come in to do speed enforcement. It depends what level of service that you contract. Right. So it kind of depends on my... What I've got with my impression is is that you just relied heavily on BSP before. Oh, certainly, yeah. I mean, certainly. The majority of our coverage is done with the state police. What, yeah. Because I looked outside the police district so we just took our chance with the state police to play out a problem and dealt with that but they usually just call. I mean, I think it would be nice to see what, you know, if there is a possibility of, you know, a relative meeting that they didn't have more enforcement on that. Maybe they could pick up so many hours a week over here and see what that looks like and... I think they're still giving us some hours, right? Yeah, but this... This period was five. So they're not very much present right now, but they've... No. Not here? Other than the state police? Yeah. Curious. I don't think they're curious, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Are you going parked in front of the school the other day? We're on the bike stairs. Yeah. We're gonna be chasing them. Have you checked the red dot to see how that transformation was to Orange County? No, I haven't. I've... I've talked to... Well, we've been talking to... That'll be fair, that'll be fair, that'll change it. Yeah. I mean, well, in town... He's leaving. He's leaving. I can't. Yeah, I can't. Yeah, I can't. So... I've talked to him. Yeah. So, um... Yeah. Like, I mean, I've talked, um... I keep thinking I could reach out to Orange County, share to see what's going on in Windsor County. Sure. That's very expensive, I think. Yeah. I know when we went through this rig for our teeth came on. We had done the analysis, and at that time, it was just Windsor County, you know, and it's the Windsor County option. Well, I think I watched that at that time, kind of anyway, 14,000 or maybe a year or something, and I'm pretty sure Windsor County was late in the 40s. Yeah. And we quickly realized that was a really, uh, I don't know if it's grown but since then, it's probably doubled in size, but... But if we don't have to have buy another cruiser, there's... Right. Yeah. Yeah. The other thing, too, is that kids, you know, obviously, move some air out, so you've got your liability, but sometimes when you bring in an outside agency like that, a sheriff, but they'll really can, you know, make up some of that. But the other challenge we had, too, was, you know, it's not just on that and we also have the animal and other things, and sometimes if you contract out and the sheriff's department don't want to put up your animal. I did ask the state police if they did that. She said they are full-service. Thank you. Yeah. But something old, who would do that? Then you have to find somebody on the board. Yeah. Okay. We'll give you the opportunity. Yeah. So. So anyway, so we'll leave you. And how much time do you think it will be before we could get something back from the girls in the state? I have no idea. As I said, she had not even responded to my email, so I mentioned that to Oscar. I did it down the phone. Like, she'd get my email and then when I was talking to him, he's like, oh, maybe. I don't know what he's working on. And he said, okay. So but yeah, he just paid well today and he had five hours in for two weeks. So he does have somebody else in mind. Like I said, I just said, Pawn, just bring him in and I want to do that. So we'll just see what he's like. And just table it for two weeks. Table it? Yeah. Our managers report? Is there another one there? Threes? Yeah. So yeah, obviously you have an update and that's our first change order. Which is 18,490 and it's strictly for stormwater and the we already spoke to Cindy Parks at the state and we'll be able to roll that into into our loan. So which is a good thing because we had tried if we put 15,000 in the budget for engineering we basically just been engineering it on fly. So some of the stuff we've paid for about $7,900 not including this on top of this we did we've already paid from structures out of our budget money that stuff we've engineered we're spending on actual you know catch basins and getting it in the ground. Part of it was because the clay tile was just so fragile that places were just blowing on it and it crumpled so finally we said well this is a it was in the same trench and they just ran it so we were all happy with this like the change worked obviously and that's good and we know this way that we're going to get it done on livery we're going to get it done on Avon and then we're not going back later to cut up pavement so we don't look like the homes later when they say well why don't we go is this part of that project that 100 million we're saying it's 120,000 yeah yeah and then we said you know we made the budget decision that we weren't going to put it in the budget but we were going to do some engineering yeah exactly and so we just said exactly if we can engineer on the fly and get it in the ground and that's what we did so yeah so we've been making out well we have been upgrading some of the storm water yes systems when the the excavation opens yeah the other thing you'd want to see is how the state of Vermont calculated the $53.39 call charge for dispatching the footbed fire department so this is the map this is how they came up with it so that was an impact as well the other thing as we actually have good news is for the downtown we did not originally make a cut for getting the $7,500 grant for advertising and things during the project we got denied the state level and the woman submitted it on to the federal level and we were like yeah we actually got the money she called the other day and I'm like we were denied and she started she was like oh yeah you were but you made it through the federal program if you can imagine we made it through that so $7,500 obviously we'll be able to do some of the those for advertising and yep and I put in the list of proposed scope of work who talked about full average advertisements the radio station the webcams are already up so we have a whole list of stuff that D.Tree had come around with so we were able to put that in motion so that was good news we were denied which we were but then I realized we could better level what we did the other thing in your packet is this ridiculous Act 21 sampling plan that the state is trying to fly by us so obviously I include the letter that I wrote that I signed and this is nuts they would cost us upwards of about $20,000 and it's crazy they're just not even thinking about they have this we feel like they should fund site assessment and then they could decide if a if a site has historically compromised then make them go through the testing but instead what there is Act 21 sampling plan is basically saying blanket they're going to add all the soft on the PFOAs which we are a huge list of things to test for and obviously I wrote the letter saying this is crazy this is $20,000 we have 300 users we can't afford this you can do it slow your role here if you want to do that historic site assessment there are places where depending on the history of the town what was manufactured there there's certainly a higher risk than we are so I sent this letter to and I did and also sent it to all of our representatives for so POS and Janice actually you know it sounds a little but you might like the testing she seems to have connections there but it would raise her cost so we sent this to again this is and it's probably the end of the day it's all all for good but they make these decisions they don't understand the financial implications of these and they were already saying that there's not remaining grant money and I get it but obviously water is a big resource and they certainly you know the federally based and not all for meeting though but not in one fell swoop right you know it's like 20 grand and we just took on the sampling the sampling was so calm so complicated and had such a high risk of being contaminated that we sent out to be done so someone comes in does it and the other thing about this again is the state putting the car before the horse because there's not even there's very few labs in the state that can even do this so stuff like that was really so obviously we sent that have you made that no no they probably they we send in comments and I gave it to them and she actually was so happy with the letter that she said can I use this as a sample rather than what they could say I'm like sure I could self out so I know I did I sent to them I sent it to them so we'll see but the other thing is I tried to fight it which is what we're trying to do now the other thing is the South Royal Tent did get back to me South Royal Tent they are they can meet next Monday the 21st 6th is the earliest that is their first choice their second choice is Wednesday September 23rd and they're willing to come here and I told them that we meet in person and that obviously that it would be you know Executive Session College Order would be Executive Session and so I dealt with their new assistant Victoria it was quite lovely so I told her I would let them know tomorrow what you chose well I mean we could have it and we could get to the 21st we probably have to well either start our regular schedule meeting earlier we don't it's next Monday oh oh isn't it 28 it's toward Wednesday yeah that's right what was I thinking I was doing the same thing the other day so so it would be a special right meeting but we have 6 and I told and it would be the BRTS Board and the South Royal Tent Board so it makes up more than half of the here yes I got two of you right here and could you reach out to Chuck Bob Bobby Bobby yes right we're going to the meeting tomorrow oh that's right I can't make the 21st but I would prioritize the majority on this one and if that's their better date and it works for the rest of them I'm okay with that because the rest of the board is there I mean I can probably just go meet today you're the one that's fine with me Dave I mean I guess we should get involved we should try to take the 21st they said literally they can't make it I can't make the 21st I could do the 23rd but I think if that's the date they're going to have more people there we'd have a majority if that's the better date we'll get more representation from them which I think I think I'll just go with this one for the 21st day so we're going to be ready and over to that that would for you Mom Judy you just have to let me know we're secretly reported so I can see the show Dave or just on that cruise Oh yeah I'll burn it for you and then my other question is I think the second Monday in October is Columbus Day right and so I mean so isn't that the the fall yeah yeah it's Columbus Day so I don't know if you want to be scheduled for what you normally do the office is closed on that day did you get on the almost day last year I don't think so do you want to do like the Monday before or after or do you want to do the Tuesday or I'll be back I'll be back you can come around please say are you able to make one day or the other so we as a Columbus Day on the 12th we did the 13th which was the Tuesday or the Monday you know back meeting or we could do both yeah we could do one day Tuesday or the 30th yeah we could do the 19th or the 26th we could start on the yeah but I think that the first week the last week is yeah yeah I think that's fine I'm doing it I'm trying I'm trying I think it's on the third why can't we do it why can't we or we can meet that day yeah I don't have an issue with it I can drive together I'll probably be that's why are you I'll probably be here anyways so that's why do you want to just do it on Columbus Day then yeah it's important yeah yeah oh wow oh wow don't do that can't take it yeah hey guys I'm going to take that holiday song so what if you want to start on this day yeah it's in the people oh that's right I think the first oh that's my calendar said Columbus Day apparently your calendar is an affiliate okay so there's just people that do okay thanks the other thing is I just found out tonight I see it is A.J. Lewin gave his students notice who did A.J. really he's probably a brand new truck to sleep yeah so what is a new sugar truck so what you told me tonight is Las Vegas that's your bag yeah what is your bag do you know where he's going yep Mo who was who was the other candidate beside that Steve something yes Steve he worked for a telephone company Dave Steve Harry Steve Harry he's going to work for him and Dave well okay yep yep that's what he's going to do he's going to work for him so obviously I did what I could to keep him and work out will you go fump on him huh will you go fump on him maybe I think I'll be he obviously felt bad it was a hard choice for him and it's an opportunity for him so you know we can't blame people for bettering ourselves so we've got to look like it's tough right now because there's a lot of openings Chris you can do it that people aren't what's that they go over for a while yeah I'm not legally going can't run so I did um I didn't email like we had last year just to see what they're you know what they have for they can do a big truck and a lot of advertising in the paper but there's a lot of ads out there in the paper you better believe it you're still looking for a road form in Brookfield still looking for a road from the last idea I'm sure you had a zero out the good thing about it is the construction season is getting over so there's going to be some guys that might not want to go out probably it's over earlier so yeah so I don't know so we'll I'll put that out but I've already like I said sent email to one person at least we're getting into the time of year we've become one-dimensional you know more cloud you know we're not doing different projects creating all that stuff you're getting more into cloud the problem is there goes you're a good amount greater greater or greater more I used to be a quicker operator so I did ask him to be one final piece for me did he have any ideas who might be available? Adrian? did he? no he didn't say anything I I bring everybody up so I'll still see who I can ask about I'll put that out in the paper I may want to when you go to the Franklin you may want to more specify a town equipment operator which is what we did before but we might dead left we got anybody that doesn't really have any greater experience or something yeah but last time we did that to a place go we got no we didn't interview a single person that's when we brought in Dave person you know one thing maybe we added to the list to talk about again and kick it around but I know we didn't talk about it maybe a year or so though about another option is to contract and I think right now you know there's other channels that do it basically what the town they do a big process a year some you know they'll have a little contractor that will you know bid on you know doing all the stuff and you know you know they do the all the stuff they do the whole thing they do the whole thing you know well I mean it's an option and if you're kind of getting back down I mean would we have to place the town garage then you wouldn't have to put the town garage right you'd have to sell maybe they'd buy the equipment you know this is something to think of I mean you know just like you know lost the impossible we know we're talking about probably be an interesting cost benefit analysis with knowing we have some major equipment needs that we're putting off the town garage replacement just to look at what those numbers might look like I'll reach out but you are getting a great time of year at least for cloud snow I would say I'm fairly confident that there are individuals out there that at least would take on the winner at least we could get us over that get you to the winner on cloud snow and stuff that you know gives you a bit of time so it's right back that kind of is that a bigger pile than we have on the other trucks I drove up there and I said holy shit I don't know that's a bigger body that's a big I don't know that body I forgot I got it in half actually because they they took the air put it underneath and extended the rocks yeah most of us are looking at all the options that are gathered okay doesn't matter what right sure that's it so short term anyways what we need really is I mean ideally it'd be nice to be at yeah exactly like I said I already put the doors out we had last year just to see what it's worth this year and then also I know Richard has not taken his Richard needs more training has a CDL permit but not his gone for his license yeah so he needs more training before he can go for his license so I'm going to I'll talk about that tomorrow make sure that happens contract yeah maybe we find it's going to be a lot easier to find some of them to plow snow oh sure I wonder if there's somebody out there some town or whatever they would contract a grader operator I have a grader the state might because they have a grader well I'm telling you even in my line where we run just in the long run two or three graders on stop we are you know it's kind of like trying to find somebody that's really good welder or something you know post trades kind of left a long time ago and there's not a lot of independence out there that just create a role so it's very challenging at least in this area I know the state has a weld a grader that kind of sits there and then when I talk to Ryan he said I would garage you up but I asked but there may be the opportunity I can ask Ryan that too that's when they may never be even so I'm sure they use that grader anyways but I'll ask them it's a good idea it's a great vice the winner there you go it's hard to find a grader operator you know that's that's a skill that's acquired for decades with working they're all open though yeah I can ask Ryan maybe my guys would be interested in more plus doors yeah at this course they have to have a CDL because Richard doesn't so yeah but we'll talk about it well that would be all good news if it was yeah so I think it's on anything else some committee meeting minutes in our packet where are you getting your template with draft on it so it's a watermark you like the draft watermark if you were just on word yeah these were sure there's somebody at the day they made them so they're not oh I ain't so dark oh I have to oh to read that it says sometimes it takes longer to read that one baby it takes to read the whole rest of it oh jeez it's standard when you just click on that you start doing that when I was on the planning commission it would you could read the draft but barely yeah the rest of it easy to read oh okay maybe it's it's curious if there's another place like I said I have to really oh I know my eyes are going bad alright I'm just going to look at this on word and see if I can I'll look down before there's I was thinking when you do a draft and then it says like it's like I'm just going to talk to you so I'm happy to do that and then head over for something oh good sometimes something important can I read yeah that's right really important yeah so anything else coming forward for it can we put it in for it for it for it for it for it for it for it for it yeah so we will do something and then it says right right like toward being mentioned 20 to 40 project so all has a new thing to accept it who's second ok one second you can totally change the transparency of your watermark you can ok that drop-down box you can maybe lighter alright we will do