 So we're gonna do a little daily tech news show and then I want to I just want to lean back and listen to Len and Chris talk about smoke Meets I'm all good with that Education for me If you're watching this live on the YouTube, this is the last day it will be live on the YouTube It's twitch.tv slash good day internet if you want to watch us live or daily tech news show dot com slash live Has the twitch feed embedded in it if you are watching this on demand on YouTube, don't worry that will not be going away Roger will be uploading that. So is everybody ready to do a little show here? Yes. Yes. Yeah You have a story least oh Me too here we go John Bailey upped his commitment to independent tech news. So up yours patreon.com slash DTMS Apologies for that John made me say that this is the daily tech news for Friday June 7 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane meet your newest barbecue pit master. I'm Len Peralta. I don't smoke, but I'm here producing the show. I'm Roger Newest barbecue pit master meet master barbecue pit master Ashley co-host of the SMR podcast with us Was happening? Yes. What's up people? How you guys doing? If you are not getting the good day internet show Available at patreon.com slash DTS. You're gonna miss a clinic. I believe after the show is Today, yeah, we're gonna be talking some smoked meats after that But if you're just interested in the tech news, you're in the right place. Let's start with a few tech things you should know Facebook announced it will no longer allow Huawei to pre-install its apps on the company's smartphones including what's up Instagram and the core Facebook app apps already pre-installed on existing devices will continue to work and receive updates Sources tell Kotaku that Blizzard canceled work on a Starcraft first-person shooter codenamed Aries The prototype had been built on the overwatch engine Sources said that Blizzard has moved most of the developers to the Diablo 4 and overwatch 2 teams Google is rolling out a search update that won't surface more than two top results from the same website No, Google says still might still surface more than two listings from the same website if they're deemed highly relevant But will now treat sub-domains and their root demands as part of a single website Seems fair, but something websites won't like all right Let's talk a little more about Google executive sources tell the Financial Times that Google executives have asked the United States for a permanent Exemption to the export ban on Huawei Google right now has a temporary License to deliver Android security updates to Huawei rather than making Huawei wait for them to show up on the Android open source project They could do that, but it would be delayed significantly and it would open the operating system to attacks on vulnerabilities Now that license that Google has to deliver those updates promptly right now is not permanent when it goes away Google says a ban would reduce the security of Huawei phones Possibly forcing it to create a modified fork that would be less secure and therefore make the internet less secure Google Google saying you need to give us a permanent license to give them security updates for our own good Because if you have millions of Huawei phones out there, which there are and suddenly they're all vulnerable To security flaws, which they might be that is a vector for people to launch attacks on everybody who doesn't have Huawei phones Yeah, you know what those guys made a pretty good argument because I wasn't it a hundred percent sure How that was gonna be a security risk if you weren't allowed to use them here But they did make one good argument at least they pointed it out in an article that if you have secure documents that end up on one Of these devices and then that device gets hacked. Well, then there goes your secure document So that I I can buy but I'm still trying to figure out this whole thing is Unfortunately, there's the state that our Politics are in you just don't know is this you know a genuine thing that they're concerned with or is this some kind of power move That they're trying to do I have no idea Yeah, I mean honestly it is mostly a political move there there may be validity to the security concerns But that is generally not believed to be the the reasoning behind a lot of this pressure to be put on Especially because ZTE which could have the exact same issues as as Huawei Has basically been given the ability to continue to do business with the US because they agreed to some oversight and things like that So that's what the United States wants to happen. That said even beyond just the document stuff You know if you could install a botnet on a few million Huawei phones and start launching out attacks onto the internet suddenly There's more chances of the rest of us running into Malware running into fishing schemes because they have that increased surface area, too It's just that's like it's like a generalized immunity thing, right? Well, if I'm the US government and Google is saying to me listen You don't want us to have to wait for updates to come through the Android open-source project or Huawei rather What kind of time are we talking about? We're talking about a week talking about a year talking about somewhere in between It depends on where you look I've heard people say that it can be around a month Yeah, it seems to be that I'll figure thrown out there and a month. Yeah, it's a long time If it's a known vote, especially if it's a zero-day vulnerability You know that that gives the attackers a lot of time to take advantage of it Walmart will ask some shoppers to let their delivery people in the house Literally starting in autumn customers in Kansas City, Missouri Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and Varro Beach, Florida Will shop with Walmart's in-home service and can have their groceries delivered right to the fridge in their kitchen Supposing that the fridge is in the kitchen when they're not at home and unspecified smart entry technology will let the delivery Personnel in and let the customers view the delivery in real time if they're not at home Photos accompanying the announcement showed Walmart delivery people wearing cameras as well Could you imagine the horror? I thought the same thing. I was like Absolutely not no one's going in my fridge. It's like going through my underwear drawer or something stay out of my fridge I think Walmart is working on that too. They're under our right in here. I mean you walk I mean we clown this idea when it was with Amazon, you know And that was just dropping your packages in your door now I'm looking on the camera watching some cat eating my ribs Oh They're wearing the body cams like the cops have so so you can tell like oh that person ate my ribs I've got a video But assuming that okay there there Walmart is going through all the steps necessary to make it as Uncreepy as possible to have perishable foods put inside your fridge Which is in theory a nice idea, right? if you really trusted somebody to do that that would be great if you weren't around but There is there's a difference between I mean I wasn't even real keen on the idea of anyone opening my door and putting a package right inside I've got like pets and stuff like I just I don't want people doing that But to go all the way into my kitchen and start, you know rearranging things and seeing that I have hummus that should have been thrown out about a week ago and you know And the like is you know, it's like another another level of just kind of privacy weirdness Walmart Okay, the thing that really bothers me the most is the fact that it's an unspecified technology until they tell me Who's making this door lock and how it works? I'm gonna have big problems with this But they say they will train the delivery person on how to organize the most efficient refrigerator Which does make me start going man That'd be nice if it was somebody really was better at this than me and I came and I was like, oh man My fridge is so better organized now, you know, I thought that was a great point when they talked about they were Gonna do all this training how to organize, you know, I guess courtesy, but I didn't see anything about hygiene And so, you know, you come in my door picking your nose and then packing out my gloves on There's a little bit of that right yeah smart fridge sounds better and better. So you don't know that's good point All right, NASA announced it. Well, you know what before we move on actually if there's someone out There's like no, no, no, I absolutely want this. I totally trust them. I would do this in a heartbeat I tried it in 2017 when Amazon did that short version of it. Whatever feedback at daily tech news show calm We want to hear the other side on this where you live And what you eat NASA announced it will open more of it's part of the International Space Station to commercial opportunities Something so the Russian side has already done. They've done some space tourism up until now NASA has put a hard line saying You can't do anything for profit on our side. That's gonna change this new interim directive We'll let private companies buy time and space on the ISS for producing marketing or testing products They could shoot a commercial they could shoot some movie scenes They can use resources on the ISS for commercial purposes and even rent a little bit of the astronauts time and expertise Though significantly not their likenesses so they can't put them in the movie Companies can send their own astronauts starting as early as 2020 NASA also called for private space companies to propose ideas for new habitats or modules that could be attached to the ISS Now there's a limit NASA is only going to allocate 5% of its resources to commercial activities 95% will still be under the old rules up to 175 kilograms of commercial cargo can be sent per year and NASA crew will only be allowed to dedicate up to 90 hours to commercial activities a year Big load aerospace says it's already booked though for private flights on a SpaceX crew Dragon spacecraft whenever they're allowed to get going So when I read this article, I was like, you know what? This is pretty cool because we've definitely seen a bit of a de-emphasis on NASA You know the funding of NASA and you know They've been responsible for plenty of inventions that we use in our everyday lives And so I was like, you know what if they find this as a new a source of revenue all good But then the one little part in this article got me kind of you know got my family me to turned up And that's where they mentioned the ultimate selling off or you know the the privatization of parts of this program that Then I was like, okay, is this gonna be another situation where we're Socializing the laws and privatizing the games where you know We take everything was paid for by taxpayer dollars and then now private companies get to make millions of millions of millions of dollars and provide no breaks to Taxpayers and you know and so on and so forth because it looks like they're still that even though they postponed the mandate for 2025 Looks like that. It's still an ultimate goal. So that's what got me a little Step step back from you worried about the TD Ameritrade habitat module Yeah, essentially I I think that is a valid concern It does feel like what they want to do is get money from from private companies for the part of the ISS that's on its way out in order to do the Scientific projects that they don't have enough money for now because they're spending a few billion dollars a year on the space station If it worked out that way, I'm okay. I'm okay. If they say, you know what? We're this is this is old territory now We were like we did with satellites satellites used to be only the government now They're private we're gonna seed the ISS over to that while we do a moon base while we do some more scientific experiments And and investigations of Venus and Mercury and and the Oort cloud It all depends on what those new projects are to me It's like as long as that money is being well spent for science then I'll probably be okay on the commercial side though It's like testing products. Okay. Well, I don't know Can a candy bar be eaten happily and zero G's whatever like the testing of the products is sort of one side of it but the exact the same article was sort of like and then commercial entities can have that you know Cache of being on the ISS and having the earth in the background and it's like you can do all of that Fakley really well with CGI and have been able to do that for a long time So I'm just I'm not so sure unless you somehow in the Commercial atmosphere proves that you're there and everyone's really really impressed like that's the thing right? It's the press aspect of it at that. Yeah, maybe there's maybe there's some shots. You can get a person that would be impressive I don't know. I don't think your candy product testing is going to get approved for fun shoot Back to the drawing board Ios 13 includes an API that's going to excite some developers It has multi-cam support for third-party apps that can capture photos video audio metadata and depth Simultaneously from a single iOS device with multi cameras Apple has supported multi-cam capture on Mac OS since OS 10 lion But on an iPhone and iPad developers can now offer video streams and photo and audio From the front-facing camera and the rear camera at the same time Which should know should should get us some interesting apps, but only for newer hardware So it is limited including the iPhone 10 s tennis max the 10 R and the iPad Pro Now I can record my sweating from Yeah, what are you looking at and what do you look like? Well, the walmart folks can wear them around their neck and all right for sure Are you celebrating get out of my fridge? Uh, no, there's there's some real good uses for really cool There's 360 degrees that you could use for this Um, and and and I'm only sad that my phone is not going to be able to take advantage of neither of my phones Are going to be able to take advantage of it, but that you know, that's the way of this stuff It always comes to the newest of greatest first Yeah, I can definitely see because I'm starting to record some of my training sessions So I could definitely see me recording my training partner and then myself at the same time pointing out what he's doing And why he's doing it during the lake or something like that So I could definitely see some use cases around that so I think it's pretty cool overall You know what I could think that would have been real helpful because I had I had to do some videos where When I was doing some physical therapy where they showed me an exercise And they you know, they filmed me doing it or they'd filmed them doing it But it would have been so helpful to see both of us doing it. Right. Right. Yep. Really cool. That's good stuff Uh, finally pc gamers Jared Walton did some math for everybody on google stadia And estimates that the service uses around 15.75 gigabytes per hour if you're streaming 4k 60 frames per second Uses about nine gigabytes per hour if you're going 1080p Or four and a half gigabytes per hour at the 720p setting This is just based on the information that google gave out about what the streams are like and how much data they use If you don't have a data cap, then you probably don't care But many of you do and some people are on extremely small caps If you're on an extremely small cap, this service is going to work for you at all although that's probably the minority Let's say you're on a common us plan of a one terabyte cap That's one that comcast does in a few locations The idea of such a cap is that it's big enough that most of your activity even streaming netflix won't run up against the cap But it will work to stop egregious heavy use of the system. That's what comcast wants to do They want to have that cap there so they can charge that top tier people that are going above and beyond, right? They don't want to get in the way of everyone because then they hear too many complaints That one terabyte cap would give you up to 65 hours of google stadia streaming at 4k a month If you don't do anything else You know if you stream some netflix shows you're going to get less than 65 hours out of that cap At 1080p 60 that comes to 113 hours of streaming per month. I'll be honest I this was a larger amount than I expected Yeah, and as a solid gamer who has who has spent taken off weeks at a time for new releases That's nothing that date that amount of data is nothing At that at that rate. So I don't have a cap. Thank goodness. So it wouldn't necessarily affect me But like you mentioned so many people do um I guess, you know, you would have the option to hopefully downgrade the video quality to kind of save on that but This is why, you know, we harped on how bad a jit pie is and you know folks that gamers who Did not pay attention to all the stuff that's going on with him and what he's doing with our internet regulations This is another reason why because you know, aside from just having data caps put out there Certainly these companies can then start degrading your connection and saying well if you were playing through us or doing using our connections It would be faster and blah blah blah. So, you know, this is why you have to pay attention because even though it may not affect you today It may affect you somewhere else Yeah, the one thing for sure that that uh You should keep in mind is if you are going to complain to a government agency You have to complain to the ftc now not the fcc about this kind of stuff. Yeah When I looked at the one terabyte cap, I was like 65 hours. That seems like so much gaming But again Well, if you live alone and you're doing that rather than watching a bunch of netflix shows or whatever Then sure, okay But if you have a household with people who are doing all sorts of things using your internet connection That becomes problematic really quick. Oh, yeah The the comcast cap used to be at like 250 gigabytes Then it was 750 gigabytes They came out with the terabyte after netflix really took off with popularity A lot of people thought the comcast would try to stomp on netflix Comcast isn't going to try to stomp on netflix on this end Comcast will stomp it on netflix on the back end on on the the the peer Stuff on the transit stuff So it'll be interesting to see if Comcast decides that google stadia is big enough To increase this cap because the key is that we're starting to get more people doing 4k streaming that eats up your cap faster And so that's going to continue to be an issue if we see comcast raise that cap to two terabytes or even five terabytes That's one indication that google stadia is probably going to be around to stay because they must be seeing enough of that effect That that they're willing to do it because they're probably already thinking about doing it because of 4k streaming from prime video and netflix and stuff Any and other gaming platforms are starting to go into streaming as well So, you know apple microsoft and sony just announced that they're going to be partnering Of and you know using the azure back end services for hosting and of the game So it's it's not just going to be google. So It's definitely something to keep an eye on Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe To daily tech headlines dot com All right start in september 17th with the release of destiny 2 shadowkeep The destiny 2 base game along with the first years worth of ad-hines are going to go free to play on pc ps4 and xbox one It will also be free to play on google stadia when that service launches in november The free to play version of destiny 2 is going to be called destiny 2 new light And players who want to play in the forsaken expansion and the annual pass will have to pay 40 dollars for the bundle Also, you got to pay for destiny 2 shadowkeep. That's 35 bucks But if you do that you now won't need any of the past destiny 2 content to play it So they're really shaking things up there and maybe i don't know chris You tell me is this more exciting than all of that destiny 2 is going to support cross saves on all platforms Beginning with shadowkeep I didn't care about none of that other stuff Because i'm gonna if it was pay i would have bought it if it was free i'll play it It doesn't matter you know i've been playing destiny since the very first version, but the cross save Is the big part of this announcement that that really hit home for me because for quite some time now I had been really thinking about Trying out pc gaming again. I haven't done it in years I've been a console gamer since the first xbox actually before that playstation nintendo All of that stuff, but um, I was like, you know what? There's you know, there's certain advantages you get from playing on a on a pc So I wanted to try it out and see if it's something that I could pick up Not to mention with the announcement of microsoft and sony combining forces google stadia apples gaming platform It really seems to me that game streaming is really about to go to the next level Which you know makes sense. Uh, so with uh at microsoft having the azure back end services So the one thing that's like, okay, I can go buy a pc I can set this thing up and I can try to play it and you know, see if I can get used to it over a couple months But man the grind you would have to put in to replicate what my character on console has I mean, we're talking about over a year of gaming To gather all the stuff and the levels and all of that stuff that I have and i'm going to start from nothing No way So that's just like a huge barrier. It's like You know, and I tried to sell it to myself as well if you start from scratch You can really use it as an opportunity to learn how to use the mouse it But that you know, my brain was like nah nah, we can't do that That's a lot of work a lot of work and you know these destiny, especially It's built around teams, you know a lot of a lot of team gameplay So the fact that I can just pick up, uh, you know a pc Install this in september 17th and then have all the stuff that I already have and just pick up from there Really cool, you know and other games are announcing the same thing as well So that I really like not the holy grail But a good a good piece now for people who may not be familiar with the the concept of cross saves What what exactly does that mean? Right? So essentially Like I was just mentioning is that if I take my character today on my xbox and then I would be able to Take all the content all the the completions of missions that I have All the weapons that I got and you know destiny is a loot shooter as well as a mmo So it's you know mmo meaning that it's a you know A game where you meet other people and you play with other people But it's also a loot shooter where you do these activities to gain this loot And of course the loot that drops has different rarity levels and of course the hardest stuff to drop I mean some stuff I've tried to get for literally three months Before it actually dropped for my character So being so being able to then Save on my xbox go to my pc log in and all the stuff that I've worked so hard for to get Is available on my pc all the finishes that I have Um, you know some of these missions take three weeks at a time Um, Jen is structured like that purposely so not having to do those three week missions Uh, again, it's really cool. And so that's that's the concept of cross-avers You can take your stuff from from one platform and pick it up on the other platform Almost like cross-platform play ish That would be a holy grail, right? It's getting closer anyway. We're getting there, you know, uh, and which but which I think this is probably the the pre loot pre loot to that Because one of the things they also said was they were getting rid of console Exclusivity and that is something that has annoyed me from the start because I have never ever ever considered buying a play station Because they have an extra gun In in their version of destiny than I have on the xbox just not doing it You know, so it just never appealed to me. It never worked for me I'm sure maybe other people have because like, you know, I really want that extra gun or that different That gun's gonna get nerfed anyway, right? Of course it would so yeah, it just never did anything like that So, you know So the fact that they're eliminating that and just all the all the places you play going to get the same stuff at the same time Really cool. So now there's really no need Not to enable the ability to play, you know xbox people play against play station people Do you think this will end up becoming a more common Thing that does it feel that way to you? It does feel that way. Um, because uh, who's a call of duty announced that they'll have it as well um, and I think uh, you know these console Microsoft and Sony need to make sure they stay ahead of whatever google stadia and apple tend Intend to bring to the to the gaming table So something like this and microsoft has been trying to get stuff like this for for quite some time They even have some cross saving and you know abilities already between The windows 10 and the xbox. So yeah, it just it just makes perfect sense. I will hear more about that next week at e3 I'm sure although we have so many gaming announcements this week. It almost feels like e3 already started. I know right Well, thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit gaming news and otherwise You can submit stories and vote on others at daily tech news show reddit.com. We're also on facebook We've got a great group facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show Sarah read me an email Oh tom I'm glad you asked because I have one at the ready and it's from charles who said scott mentioned scott johnson on our wednesday show mentioned how it's smart speaker Conversation mode could be good because you currently have to do every individual interaction with separate commands His example was wanting to turn on multiple lights with a single command Actually charles says you can I have several smart plugs used with lamps and discovered if I use two complete sentences connected with And it works one my lamps smart plugs is named hall and one is named entry. So if I say Uh amazon assistant turn on the hall and entry lamps. It will tell me it doesn't know a device named hall and entry However, if I say amazon device turn on the hall lamp and turn on the entry lamp it works Ah, it's clever. So so you can do a conjunction, but you have to start a whole sentence over again Yeah, we were talking a little bit before the show. I've some of the I mean it the learning curve that that that we've had certainly I've had in my home where yeah, I've I've got some smart bulbs And I'm learning to tell my assistant what to do with them And I I do have to Say sentences in a way that I feel is less intuitive But once I am like, okay, that's what she needs me to say now. I know I got it So I I am now talking more like a robot and less like a human which I don't think is really the ultimate goal but Again, that's you know, it's kind of it's it's part of the learning process for all of us Yeah, I wonder if that'll have an effect on on english language. We all start talking more like robots Yeah, I know that what amazon announced is they want to make that go away They want to make things more conversational, but yeah, my pet peeve is I have an app called our groceries and if I say tell our groceries to add chocolate chips to shopping list That makes perfect sense But if I that if I want to find out if I already put something on I have to say tell our groceries Is chocolate chips on the shopping list? I haven't had to stop and think about it right now I can't say ask because if I say ask it's like, no, I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, what's ask our groceries That's not enough. Yeah. Yeah I'm sorry. I can't help you with that the modern worlds I love home automation. I love home automation. I'm a big fan So anything they do to I mean me too me too And I I'm willing I'm willing to to to weather some of the bumps in the road As we get closer to utopia, but but for now I I agree with Charles that it there There's there's there's some evolution to be had. Yeah, it's still progress to be made Uh, you know, he's been making progress on an art piece during this show is Len Peralta Len, what have you been drawing for us today? You know, Chris is really excited about cross saves, which is really cool I'm kind of the other way which is just free to play tentpole games Which is actually really really cool. And I uh for this image, uh, you know, I went with low-hanging fruit Destiny character saying finally free to play tentpole games. That's what I call destiny Which is uh, which is pretty cool. So, uh, that is Actually available if you're one of my patreons at patreon.com forward slash Len You have this right now and you can just get it or you can just go the old-fashioned way buy it at my store Len Peralta store.com. That's awesome. That really looks like a good warlock, too. Yeah You know, his monitor should be a little bit higher. He's gonna have some back strain Well, that's most most people playing do you have a little bit of a problem with warlocks? That's true Thanks, Len. And also thanks to Chris Ashley for being with us today. Chris. It's so nice to have you back on the show Let folks know where they can keep up with all of your other fantastic work You can always check us out over at smrpodcast.com. Um, we try to record a show every week You can catch me on twitter At big chris ashley. Um, but the show is pretty cool. Me, Rob Dunwood, Rod Simmons We, uh, you know, three brothers hanging out on the show just talking tech and whatever else comes to mind including barbecue or whatever I learned something every week on smr podcast. Uh, it's often about technology. Sometimes it's about working out Or something else, but uh, come join me folks smrpodcast.com You can also join me in los angeles. In fact, you can join me sarah Roger rich straffolino from daily tech headlines our intern amos We're all gonna be at the farmers market 63 33 west 3rd street in los angeles on june 12th That's next wednesday 4 to 6 p.m. Pacific time. Uh, it's right next to the grove So if you're in the la area next week, uh, and you got the time and the ability to get there Head on down to the grove farmers market, uh, and we will be gathered around the 326 bar That's 4 to 6 p.m. Wednesday june 12th Our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com if you got something on your mind We'll unload it on us. We're also live monday through friday at 4 30 p.m. Eastern at 20 30 utc And you can find out more at daily tech news show dot com slash live back monday talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com The environment club hopes you have enjoyed this program Ah, we uh, we successfully broke twitch Oh Uh the streams the streams still going out, but apparently the twitch chat room went belly up about halfway through the show Has nothing to do with us to be honest, uh Seth that this is our first week on twitch and twitch broke. Well, maybe it's not to go with twitch Uh, you know, that's good question. Um We uh, I've been using hangouts on air and hangouts on air has slowly been losing features and getting bugger And in the new youtube studio, it doesn't even exist. You have to make sure you go back to the classic to even find it Right, so we just were like this isn't going to keep going for very much longer Uh, and when we decided well, we could go to not using hangouts on air Comparing the youtube live streaming versus the twitch live streaming twitch just has so much more for the live stream I'm sure we'll continue to provide the video on The youtube channel at dtns, uh, but we'll just be doing the live stuff over on twitch. Yeah, I miss uh Being able to just edit a video on youtube. It's like, oh my god, and then you know, it was that was a rough little transition They did there and it's it's still it's still rough Yeah, yeah No, I know I was I was in there monday too because we've been simulcasting just for the week And I went in looking for hangouts on air. I couldn't find it and I realized. Oh, right I'm I'm in the new I have to go make myself right back to the classic to be able to find it So yeah, uh, but then twitch went and went belly up on friday, so Yeah, it's all the same so