 clearly about those concerns and give people a chance to come. And we should hear from them. We've worked for the public, and we want to hear from the public. And so it's a chance for people to hear what's going on with the rows, what's going on with the executive sessions, and what's going on with the treasure, us to give our perspective, and for the public to give theirs. We will note the course post, the agenda for the meeting in front of our forum. We will also put on the front of the forum an English language invitation to come to meet. So the first matter after the executive session is public comment for 15 minutes. And these are for items that are not on the agenda. If they're on the agenda, like they're made here next, if they're on the agenda, that's not a missus. That's when we'll do it. Is there anyone here who would like to make a public comment for an item not on the agenda? Yes. Eric, what I'm going to do is ask everyone who wants to talk. Please come up and sit down. And Eric, when you do it, everybody give your name. That's part of it. Hi, I'm Eric Sorenson. I live on Pector Road in East Coast. Thank you. I had a question and a comment about the road commissioner position and the public works position. And we're in a situation now where we have neither right now, right? Other than Rick and Eric as sort of temporary action. Sorry. He's voluntary. Right, voluntary, right. What I wondered is there was a lot of confusion on my part, not enough involvement to understand what was going on in terms of hiring the public works director. And I wondered if this wasn't the time to take a bit of a slow down. Think about those two positions. And especially now with Alfred Gaughan, is there a way to reconfigure those into one position? I think it would be to understand both of them. Both are going to have to work. And part of what I wonder is, and this is the part that I don't understand, is having a public works director when we only have this building in the town hall and not understanding what the total range of that position is. So my question is, is that something? And there's a lot of interest in the town hall. So I wondered about slowing down and explaining clearly to the town that says, I haven't been as active as I should be. So we know more what those decisions are before we get into hiring too. Before anyone here responds to that, I just want to say, I think that's really a good question and really good concerns to be heard about. And that's why we are going to the gym in the next meeting with plenty of time to talk about that. So I'm going to bring down all of the hiring aspect. The hiring works director, the. That wasn't one of the three things that he listed. Yeah. Yeah, that's probably for everyone. Yes. Not to go by the roads. That's what I meant. That whole issue, I think we need to go over it. And we need to give people a chance to talk to us about it. So we will need to come back. Can you do that? Yep. OK. Great. Great. Thank you. Is there anyone else who would like to make a comment on some item that's not on agenda? Thank you. So what we're going to do now is we need to do the same agenda. The same agenda is something that's at times different. It's a way of funneling how much we're paying. Where if they're ready to go, they're not super. They're certainly not happy for a seal. And they're not super. They're not super important. They may be urgent. Things like minutes, et cetera. So I just want to clarify it. And we can act on a whole consent agenda at one time. You know, there's 9 out of 10 of them. They just kind of have one motion. I want to talk about it for one minute. But does someone move the consent agenda? I don't know. So Denise moved it. It's the second that I read. All right. But I just want to say that the last two items approved agreement state highway structure program grant for the Moscow Woods Road and the Brookfield service generator maintenance contract. It's understood that what that does is give the red team the authority to sign contracts. So that's what we're going to do. We're going to sign a grant. Two of them. Two of them. For the board. All right. Is there anyone on the board that wants to take an item off the consent agenda? No. I would recommend that we move it on. Here's my option. Yeah. The two year, the two services for Brookfield. I'm going to make them out twice. We're going to be on the second thing. Top item approved for the service generator. I just want to make it clear that it's to have two of them come to twice. Every six months. That's a year. That's your year. Great to hear. Very tough. Your contract to services. I just want to make sure it's clear that we're going to fit the choice general option. Alright, thank you. So, it's understood that the EMF 50 last week, the Royal Field Services Generator Maintenance Contract is due to have two visitors to your party. All those in favor of the consent agenda, John? Yes. Ike, Rick? Yes. And I'm Chair? Yeah. So, who's passed? Alright, so let's move to the Rose Report. So, we're not taking up the agenda. I don't need to deal with Valentine's Day. Yeah, right there. Okay, Mark says you don't need to reach it. No. Do we have to do that? No, we have Renee here to talk about that. Oh, I'm sorry. I apologize. What it is, it's my printer. Printed that phone. Okay. So, we have the first student bus access on Valentine's Road. Renee raised an email. We decided to attend it. Renee, why don't you come up? Sit down and let us talk about it. Welcome. So formal. Well, this is my printer. And say your name for her. Renee Brankowski. And if you want to know how to spell her, it's gonna be on your channel. Yeah. I think the one way to start this is Renee. We've read this email for the audience. Sure. Sure. First student used to come down Valentine's Road, recently as 2020, meeting from this lunch bus, stopped at our house every day with work packets and lunches through federal support. I guess you think that just a little bit. Sure. Thank you. So the bus can pass our house at least through 2020. And it no longer comes. My understanding is through some conversations with our roads crew, our road is now deemed too narrow and winding. I don't know. I don't think the road is narrow. So I don't know if there's a new road with requirement for first student. I don't believe it's any more narrow than some of our other roads. Duke of Brook comes to mind. And certainly he's my pillars in our district, the roads near Templeton. So I don't know if it's here or not here. Is there a road to narrow? How do we remedy that? We have a number of students in our small population school that access that. You said you're going to avoid that one last year. I don't know for sure, because we've had some household problems, but we'll try to help. So we are not going to access the bus then, because if you have recommendations. Right. So after we received an email of concern, I drove the length of Valentine coming up from the 14. And I just want to say from my perspective, it's actually wider than it's been, because there was some work done, I want to say four years ago. And our select board was concerned about the work, frankly. I made this three years ago where, when you were going on board, and rather, there's a constrained portion down by the 14, where the hillside comes in, and it was ditched on both sides, causing the road, the active road here to be very narrow, narrow than it had ever been. And so I know that we've provided some input that maybe instead of ditching it again that way, that they just ditched one side and the angle of road so that the road could be again made wider. But as these things go, those ditches fill in with material. So those ditches are full. The road is about as wide as it can be. You know, the embankments are confining it. And if the truck, if the bus ran two years ago, it was experiencing a much narrower road. So I don't understand what happened. That's my question. Yeah, we don't know. So maybe we should... Can you answer what changed? No, I just sent two of us. Yeah, it's actually, it's not my understanding is that we don't have anything to do. Am I right? We don't have anything to do with where's the school bus. Should we just go or not go? It's not going to be passing. No, but Mark, they do, we do coordinate with them plowing schedules and if they have concerns with the road or the road quality, we can convert with them. I know on Singleton Road, our kids used to go. And sometimes it's bus driver, bus driver. The bus driver used to come by and go down that switch back and stretch. And then our bus driver passed away. We got a different bus driver and he was freaked about going down that road. So I think sometimes they rely on the bus driver who's comfortable with the bus. It's the same bus driver that goes around and stretch. So sometimes we see things, yeah, sometimes the bus doesn't get to the bus. They say we can't go down this road because it's too narrow and tell us why it's too narrow. You know, what is it and what does it need to be. So currently the bus stop is on the 14th and the bus is downtown, which I find extremely shh. And so I've been told to come to you. What do you say? I've tried to go through the school, the school board and then first student and my only course of action appears to be through the select board. I don't know what I'm even asking for. I don't know what has changed to make the bus not come. And I don't know what we need to do to allow that to happen. We need to reach out to them. I think we need to not pass the buck and we need to reach out to our first student and find out what their concerns are. I don't know what they're saying. There's an arrow going on. We have not narrowed any roads and callous ever. I've been on this board 16 years. They're wider than they were when I started on this board. I'm not subscribing to any narrative. It's too narrow and it's too wide. But that has not changed. Do you want me to talk to you at first? No, because it wasn't the same bus. No. Thank you. So Rick is, let's clarify this. Thank you for coming. And we're going to work on a solution. We'll even give the bus a turner. And then on our property. If that's the issue. It's above us. Just below the switchback. I'll follow up tomorrow. So Rick, will you, rather than rely on coming back to us for the next meeting, can you talk to them? Okay. And let's see how far we can move this. Perfect. Because we're not the only family. Do you know what we're leading on? The students? Not even. That's how it's all mentioned. I think there's not any 32-hours as well. So they're the same thing with the U32 buses. Well, it's the same bus. It's the same bus. Your house is one under construction. Okay. That's the difference. Yeah. Move that one. Thank you. Thank you. Well, what's the same section for our road commissioners? By the way, I do want to mention to the board something that we should talk about, which is that meeting that the agenda for next week, we're going to discuss the roads and the public works, all those issues. You know, I discovered that our neighboring towns thank you to Markfield. All their meetings are on Zoom. And as is the school district, our school district, and Twinfield school district. We were on Zoom and actually we had problems here because of bandwidth, but I would sure like to go back to being on Zoom. The biggest issue for Zoom, the biggest issue for Zoom, and we actually put up blankets to dull down the reflectiveness of these walls. We were hoping that by now we would have town hall committee is supposed to work and hopefully we'll be still working on some solutions to that. We guess something like to stop the echo of and that's been the people with that trouble here. Make sure that might be happening. And also, you know, the internet here is terrible, but with the guidelines I should help. Yeah. We'll see what we can do on there. Anyway, I was just stalling while we were waiting for our road to Michigan. I love to know you have East Montpelier on next. That's right. I'm so anxious to hear it. Do you know before we get out from the road tonight? No, here they are. They're next. So this is the East Montpelier fire department, and this is the purchase of the power of the system. Which allows essentially the power of life and essentially allows whether they're light or very heavy to be put into the ambulance and take it out of the ambulance without causing back injury by the person involved. Please tell us your names and talk to us. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. We're the vice president of the organization. Great. So back in March we came before the board to get a power lift system for one of our ambulances. And the power lift system is made by Striker. It's a device that allows a very heavy person to be lifted safely into the ambulance and then being taken out of the hospital so that when we're at the hospital we can transport that patient without having the attendance, whether it's myself and Paul or whether it's two of our lady attendants or whatever, be able to take somebody out. So I think one or two of you were at the field days and saw the power lift system. I did a two minute video today lifting somebody with a stretcher that weighed 450 pounds approximately with one person doing the lift and actually using one hand to load that person and unload them. Now under normal circumstances when we go out we have a crew of two and to get anybody out of the house we have what's called the Striker stair chair system which also is very expensive. It allows us to safely put a person in a chair and bring them down say 10 or 15 stairs. The chair is got a track system and that also is something that keeps the lifting factor out of lifting somebody physically out and bringing them down. Once we get another ground level we have a power lift caught system. Power lift caught is a system that we put in back probably been a year and a half, two years ago the stretchers which run by battery which when you push a button it will lift the patient to the height of the ambulance and then when we put the patient in we still have to lift the stretcher weighs approximately 150 pounds and with the person on it we did use one of our later guides to show this demo here for two minutes. It was Alex Mogazowski who was 6 foot 7 285 pounds. So Alex we put him on and caught with the weight of the car we have 430 plus pounds. And if I could just take a two minute system show you this and stand up here so that people in the audience as well as we can see it. I'm actually one of the people who saw it You guys have all seen this? I think we could put it right here for everybody here to see it. Well, it's if I can just what I'll trip on you might not be able to see what we've got going on here. Can you guys see that? I spent the problem before not one person could not lift the total of 400 plus pounds would be a challenge. Could you stop for a moment? Sure. I actually was given an demonstration and one of the things that wasn't clear to me is the problem the problem of an unassisted you know an alpha system the problem is that when you pull it out or when you're putting it in there is a moment where one end of it is supported but the other end is not and so the only way that you can do it is by holding it up and it's incredibly heavy. So two people two people lifting on that still have to maintain that create 400 pounds and we do have people in the area that weigh 500, 600, 700 pounds this demonstration here is without the auto this is just the system it's a lot of light you can use the dog water that's totally different this is the minimum that you want you want it that's it that's it we just put it in right and this is it normally you don't carry that weight without this system it's just it's just sitting there it extends without anybody having to hold it up so these wheels would get on winter surfaces at the hospital look it just holds itself up even when it moves so I'm a trolley thank you thank you could you clarify for us I'm sorry I have this item number one what's it cost number two is it in your capital budget or what are you asking us so the power lift system is approximately $27,000 and installation is approximately $3,000 so it's approximately $30,000 was the price of the last one and the EMFD is capital budget currently as of last month has $157,000 we won't get the figure for September until the end of this probably the month behind so the fire department has the ability to spend $20,000 without coming to the board this project we need permission just for an Eastmont billion before we even came to the select board this was brought to the board of directors which was unanimously approved it was brought to the membership Tuesday night full membership meeting and the full membership approved unanimously so the system that we see here now we're going to put it in the second ambulance which is the older ambulance 2010 but what we can do with the system is the 2010 ambulance is due for replacement within the next 2, 3, 4, 5 years depending on the movement we're going to take this out of that ambulance and put it in the new federal regulations call that all ambulances in the future from now on already back a few years ago have this system in because of the back injuries and workers' car injuries that they were receiving which was catastrophic in our industry trying to lift people in so this system would be moved into the next ambulance saving approximately $55,000 because of the cut and the system itself we talked to specialty vehicles down in Boston which installs them cost $1,000 to deinstall $2,000 to reinstall into a new ambulance and that's what we've been paying real long about $2,000 for installation up there on the year I would like to make a motion I'd like to make a motion to authorize the fire department to transfer the sum of $30,000 from the capital fund to pay for the power, striker power lift system we'd like to just we'd like to just just move ahead with we think there is a cost increase and so we're asking if we can spend up to $35,000 we keep going to spend $31,000 just in case there's an installation cost so I'll amend my motion to not to exceed $35,000 I'll second the floor and I strongly support this motion I feel that first of all it means that it's very difficult for a small person or a woman to operate the system without it and so it's intrinsically remedies a sort of physical and nobody should have to know and people who are larger would not back injure so I think this is a great support to me is there any other comment? I agree with it I fully support that I would see wouldn't be eliminating it you obviously have to have a very large strong we always call fire department it's not as strong as you it's not as strong as everything else you have on the roll call on the roll call vote Denise, hi Mark, yes thank you so much for your service thank you for putting us on the agenda and looking forward to having a safer way to service channels thanks so much I understand last week it was a success it was an easy success you guys did a great job thank you for coming thank you again that's too bad that's why I wasn't there Alex was there thank you these guys brought along with a very broad empire to the ballpark special and the track field the east calisthenics sponsored and they brought their poses ok so only 3-4 minutes late Rick as commissioner your rose report we are we're we're we're we're we're we're we're we're we're we're we're we're we're we're we're we're we're we're we're we're we're we're we're we're kind of come up with some kind of consistency plan in case we actually were approached on that road and I agree that some work on that, then we'll try to make that work. And we will make it public somehow, so in case we have to, you know, in some circumstances that's where that probably gets worse, I think primarily, I'll see if there's anything you can do to kind of stabilize it in the short term to prevent that kind of holdout from all of you is still here to try to do anything you can to divert water from that failed property, to keep water from pouring into that failed area. So last time I went through there, there were just commons. Do you think they or we could place it or should place the Jersey Barrier against that wall of bridge? Because those commons aren't going to last for once no problem, so and people aren't going to get covered. Let's see what we've got. We do have, we can arrange last time, so if you can place some, yeah, that's a good idea. And maybe some flags or something, some of the snow bangs, a lot of people will. It's going to show us the area where Jersey Barrier is. Yeah, yeah, I almost suggest we get to Wolfend to take another ticket and look at that for winter crap to make sure that we can carry it through. Can you make that awesome? Yeah. Do you need anything from us? You'll just do this, right? Can you report? Is it possible for you to report that to the next meeting? There will be a room to report. If you've got anything, yeah. Yeah, we'll check. Yes, thank you. Well, Jersey Barrier makes sense. That should be done. I want to explain what a Jersey Barrier is. Folks, how bad is it? I think everyone does it. Yeah, I mean, I would suggest we may want to wait just until the Wolf comes out. Okay. Don't slide away. That's true. We can hear that from them. Yeah. Yeah, we can, we'll see if we can get the room. Yep. And the brood table, table. I'm sorry, and we have a, you know, we have a, let's have a $35,000 best manager in fact, is Grant also, who is improving, it's a little bit more quality related for, for the kitchen. So that's, that's also to be signed tonight. Yeah, yeah, we just did the work consent agenda. We did. So, yeah, I just haven't signed yet, so. Okay. Okay. And then let's say hello. We did, I did get a couple other, some other feedbacks. I'm going to get cut, go on and put your own dirt speed bumps on around this. And you know what I mean? I think they've, I think they've grayed it out since it was illegally done. What about some of them? I don't know exactly where I just know it was, it was going to put more ditches or add. Well, I'm saying kind of, you know, somehow raise speed bumps out of the dirt. And I think we kind of, you know, we'll reach out and we'll come there and we'll be back to that. That's Robinson Hill, that Robinson Summit. Right. I was, you know, Robinson Hill, the Robinson Summit's rock. Yeah, and look, and, but they were grayed out. Somebody else grayed it out. So apparently, you know, I think it has to be a code. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, and then, yeah, let's see. So we have a pretty good application to Tyler Clark if you want to act on that right. Yeah, we're doing that under the Tyler camp. He was going to be here, but he's got his father in law. He's in the hospital where he's at. Okay, so I'll take notes about what he's doing. Yeah, I, I met, I went to this site. What conditions? Can you hear the, yeah, the, it's a really clear kind of electrical line of way. He's got a sugar house. He has to pull 200 amp service in there. The drive is already in it and it's in a very long, straight piece of road. There's a natural bypass for road construction, like right in his driveway. Yeah. So, and he's taking that to a minimum of four foot depth. Conditions would be a two, two and a half inch schedule any time to it. I'll say what? The cable, the electrical cable needs to be put minimum of four feet deep. Okay, let's say electrical. Conduit schedule any schedule any kind of for the cable. It's a fight for the cable to run in. Are you talking about the Tyler by one? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Can you talk in English so I can write this? We have to, when we receive a curb application, we have to literally write products, the conditions that we are imposing. And those conditions come either from, they come from the road commissioner. Okay. Which can help with the road crew. Okay, so you, so we're going to bury the electrical cable for four and a half weeks? We will. It'll be four feet, minimum four feet. All right. And it will have, the cable will be placed inside of a schedule angle. Whatever that is. It's just wall thickness. It's not even as is correct. So, place it inside. Schedule. Schedule 80. Grade conduit. It has to be pipe heaviness. Sterility. Sterility. Okay, Conduit. Schedule 80 conduit. And what was the estimate? Two and a half inches in diameter. Anything at any other dimension. I'm letting her finish that. Tell me what you're at. I know there's going to have to be contact here, right? Yeah, that's absolutely. See how much I've learned. And also, you know, basically in the road, we're using the same material that they extract. So, okay. So compact. Same material. In reverse order. In reverse order. Because you go down to death and it's clay. And that should work your way up. It's on, contact in reverse order to previous condition. Right? And then, also, I want to see a warning. They make warning tape, put it to two feet, the two foot mark, above that cable. That's so that anybody excavated along that road. So it's a permanent marker? It's a red ribbon that marks, it says one cable. So you're excavating it's all the same, right? Okay, so my question is, it's a permanent marker? Yes. Yes. Okay, so it's all red. It's a permanent marker. It's buried in the trench. Okay, install red. Warning ribbon, in trench above two feet, or roughly two feet above cable. And then the last thing, just road detour signs, safety signs. And they can mark those from the show. Here's town road safety tours. So when will we approve the application as amended? That's second. The second, it's John moving, Rick approving, second in. Denise, I, Rick, I, Sharon, I, John, I, Mark is I. Thank you, that's approved. Go ahead, Rick. We have here an updated route payment, as I know. Are we still on that CB5 right away application? CB5 or ROW. I didn't get to visit those, Eric did, but he is not. He's not here. Eric's not here. Eric saw that, but he blessed them. He blessed them. I can start this. All right, thank you. Well, we just got a call. Maybe I'll write it down for you. Is this, can I have the water? You're probably going to want to put that same flyer shins on it. That's the plain field select board. This is the callus. Are you recording or not? I'm recording, yes. Yeah, okay. I'm very sorry that it's. My name's David Healy, the delegate from the town of Callus to CB5. Wait a minute, let's let David Healy, the callus delegate to CB5. And we're here tonight to get permission to put a number of underground conduits on. And these may not happen. I mean, right now the engineer says this is where we need to go underground. Lighting Ridge Road at Gray Road for 1,100 feet. Marsh Hill Road for about 1,600 feet. This other road is a private road, so it's not a matter. Foster Hill Road, 1,100 feet. Valentine slash Bennett Road to 600 feet. And Worcester Road for 500 feet. And Mosco Woods Road for 1,300 feet. What about William Brinton Camp Road? It's a private road. The arrow goes down, that's a private road, so I don't know whether there's any rules that the town has on that. In terms of road construction, we don't have to get out of town. So we have to get permission. Right, private road. Because I had that one on here, I should cross that off. Yeah, please. It's a beautiful road, because I couldn't guess it is. And I don't know who maintains it, because it's in pretty good shape. Anyway, so the plan is construction should start next month. How many of these get done this year? I'm not sure. So the question mark on the agenda was 2022-200. I would say I would go into 2024, because of certain pieces of callus that will not be served. Right, according to that map. Yeah, so that's the only limitation of that. Some of these may not get built at all, because they either have, right now, we're only building two residences of buildings that are on the grid. Some of these things, like the Moscow Woods Road, that's right near Ledge Road. I don't know if we're going to be building up there. It's all on the Ledge Road. Yeah. But you went on the Moscow Road. Right. Yeah. So we're looking for the permits. We may never do some of them, but we'd like to have them. Well, I took and just put all the roads on the permit. And then I took the wording from the application as the project description. That says, working the highway right away 24.75 feet from the center line, more or less, depending on right away width, cloud, trench, or bore, three inch wide and three feet deep along roads, and like two inch conduit on top of each other with two foot by three foot hand holes, approximately every 500 feet. If Ledge is present, a small excavator will be used. I'll take a handhold, sorry. Yeah. There'll be breaks. Correct. And we'll be putting a tape on the pipe as well. And the question I have with that is, should some kind of dry out that sort of, I mean, you've got that and not what I have, the two inch conduit. So that's heavy enough to make sure that there's even enough and heavy enough that if there's some kind of dry across that then it works. It works. Yeah. And you don't want to have it kind of dry out. So you've got 500 for the sections that basically that the main pole, the pole gives something. Yep. Yeah. So those little boxes that we want, the road, not big ones, but big enough so they can get the fiber in and out. So there was some question as to permanent application fees. Not about we just select, just for clarifying purposes, to select board to acknowledge that this is for quasi municipal effort. Great. And that application fees are not applicable and not required in these instances. So. Right. Yeah. The town's the base project. Right. That was my thought. Right. So. Agreed. Yeah. Okay. So that clarification should be in motion. Right. And let the minutes reflect the thousands of board. But I think we can just put that in the motion. Right. We put it in motion. Right. But we need to have the conditions. Is this one? Wait. You're going to use safety detour signs? Yep. The conditions. I think we had four foot under. They're going to three feet on this. And it's not electrical cable, but it's still cable. It's fiber optic. So nice. Okay. So we're going to put the fiber optic cable inside this conduit. Okay. So we're going to put the fiber optic cable inside the conduit. So the balance of the cables will be strong pole on Mars or water. And they come down. And then you'll run jumpers from a box to individual residences being served. There's some point. There'll be aerial connections in there. Most of the underground work people want to play. They don't want to go out of the way. Are there no underground electrical cables? They actually put in the light and bridge one is on the ground. Electrical cable there. There is. Is there an issue with your process? No. In fact, in that case, I'm looking forward to not having to do light and bridge, because Velco did it last year. But that was the case. They gave us a spare car. So we're going to end this. Install red warning ribbon in the trash. The same thing with reverse contacting. Reverse fill. So we're making, I'll make a motion. CD fiber right of way permit with the conditions as noted. And that because this is a municipal project that the fee is weighed. That's right. All right. I need further discussion. Great. John, you know, yes. Yes. Yes. Good. All right. Yes. Janine. I'm Sharon. I'm Mark. Yes. The motion passes. David. Thank you. Thank you. David. And could I schedule a time to come in and give you a complete layout of what's happening and where? Absolutely. Yeah, that would be great. You'd love it. Are you staying for a bit of time? Yes, I'll stay. Okay. I just want to ask Rick, will you and your roads report a week from now? Can you report on just generally how things are going with the road through which we? I was trying. Yeah. We support their wonderful work. Yeah. All right. County Hall. So, town hall usage policy. Denise, you want to take a lead on this? Yeah. Yeah. That would be... Yeah. We asked that county hall, friends of county hall, to give us an updated usage policy, which they did. And I reviewed it. And nothing on lawyer work is, I had a bunch of questions. And we didn't get in a word format. You don't know why we had to work on it was some hard copy. So I made a bunch of notes, marked up that my notes, and there's a couple of small things that we need to change. Like we need to say, needs to come to the select board, not the town. You know, some little things like that, just to make it clear when somebody's reading it. So I guess what we'd like to do is get this finalized, and either approve it tonight, and move forward, or put it on the next agenda. The problem is, I don't know that it's like we're to see that in electronic form. Okay. So with that, would you get in? I've asked for it electronically, like in a word format or something, so that we can look at and insert a couple of... That's Cliff probably, hasn't he? Yeah. I've contacted Cliff. Okay. Okay. So this is a right fraction, but I just want to say it asks the question that you guys have. The contract is fine. It's not great. It could be rewritten substantially if we took the time, but it can be cleaned up a little bit. And to do that faster, is this something we want to move on? Well, so is it... Isn't it... Don't we continue under this contract until we have a new one? Doesn't it have continuation language in there? I thought we did that. Yeah. Well, operating under the old one, this is just a new one. Right. I understand. But I'm pretty sure we put a continuation line down. I remember asking that until we act on a new contract or if we miss an expiration date, that the terms and conditions are continued until we act. I think that's it. I'm pretty sure that's it. I don't remember, but I think that's it now. Okay. So what we'll do is Denise and I will revise this. We'll get it out in electronic form to you guys and schedule for action. Yeah. With the understanding that the terms and conditions in the existing contract are continued. Right. So it's not there just before. Right. That should be just standard language, right? Yeah. I'll take it somewhere, because I remember putting it in there. All right. Okay. Personnel update information only. Denise, I don't really have much to update. We've had our most applications filed for the Charter of Business Manager position. Pretty good. So we'll follow up on those. And I don't know. Oh, we have a new road crew member. His name is Ogden Hersey. He lives in East Cali. And I've got all of his paperwork here ready to onboard the system. And it's first day of work. What's to say? Yeah. All right. Denise, do we maybe also mention that we had a couple of folks volunteer to help us write job postings when we're advertising? Yeah. Jamie Morby and Sarah Gallagher. Yeah. Jamie Morby and Sarah Gallagher graciously have a problem. No. I thought Ginny said she didn't want to do it. She's with Ron. I mean, she said she would, but I think there was another. She said she didn't want to do it. We can check with her, but she said no. But Sarah and Jamie will do a wonderful job of making it more bubbly and exciting and fun for the ad. I'm passing. I'm passing. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. They'll jazz in it. I'll really like that. Sharon, we're going to move on to the open position. So do you feel comfortable on the speaker taking the lead on this? What about the Constance? Oh, I'm sorry. I added the Constable. The Constable has extra authority for level one. Would you take the lead on this? Yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm getting an echo. So they're kind of like hot because of the concept of comeback. So our last meeting, our last regular meeting out to be to see all the advertisers for a Constable. We learned a lot back in the spring and had to swing on a Constable after many years of having to have a dedicated Constable who, you know, we didn't have to recruit for one. So we learned in the process that we have a Constable so already we offer a Constable. And our, we returned to them a Colophilia at level one, level two, level three. Level one is the most basic level. Level three is basically a state cop. I put in the folder both the statute and then the BLPT materials on this issue. And I wanted to point, point folks to the taking one of the BLPT materials to talk about what is, it doesn't say level one, but when we talk about level one, this is what they mean. They mean a Constable whose authority is limited to serving civil and criminal process. To destroy animals when required by law. Kill into fear in accordance with law. Assist the health officer. The exercise is overbearing. Serve as a district court officer. Remove disorderly people from the community. And call in taxes if no tax collector is. Those are the basic duties that are a level one Constable. And that level one is an opera choir that you go to the Rumpkin Academy and get trained to be a law enforcement officer. So my suggestion, and I did hear that Rumpkin had an accent for tonight. So my suggestion is so that we can move forward and get at least a basic constitutional place that the next time more a level, approving a level one Constable and then get out of the office of recruiting somebody for that role. In other words, we would advertise, if we did that, we would simply advertise for someone who had these things to do a job that was these basic things. Right, it doesn't involve going to the police academy and getting trained. Right, but all these different things. Do we have to prohibit that in the energy? We just say you've got it in places. Well, I think the ad would read, we could take language from the VLCT, documental giant brand numerous times and it's pretty clear what the duties are. Yeah, it could be like a job description. These are your duties, these are what you are being appointed to do. Right, and then we're clear and there isn't the expectation that we're going to send somebody to Pittsburgh to the police academy and that they're going to get a car and get into the bed. So, I guess it's going to look like this. So, is this also a position that the town is used to? Good night. I'm sorry, what? No, I'm just kidding, I'm lying. Go ahead, Jenny. Yeah, it's the position as the town is used to. So, I take this as a challenge, but I want to provide some clarifying information. As this board knows, we had a meeting with our town constable just last week, our former town constable, Wins Wilson Hughes. And Wilson told us that, in fact, he went to be attended to police academy as soon as he became constable and elevated his status as constable to law enforcement level. And there are a number of reasons for that that made sense, and I think continue to be justifiable. And I think that this deserves a broader discussion. I think in the interim, we should, of course, limit the powers to this, but I don't think we should block from consideration considering or create a negative image around someone seeking law enforcement greater law enforcement powers. The constable position used to have all those powers, and they have value, a very great value. We have to have the right person, of course, who the person who seeks this additional duties would need to have that additional accreditation approved by us. But in the end, I think we should keep that in our minds as possible, as a possibility in the future. It's not always a negative. It's huge. Somebody can beat a level one, and then later on, I'm going to be able to write. Right, right, right, but I still want people to misconstrue the value of this. I need clarification. If we advertise and we say, we'd like to have a constable that can perform these functions and we list them, and we don't say we are prohibiting, encouraging anything else. We just are silent on everything else. All right. Then we interview, whoever we interview, you know, we don't tend to get annotated with that, but you know, I know. And we interview whoever we interview, and if we feel that the person that we hire is of the temperament that we want, if we know that's not always the case, then we can encourage them to go for it. Yeah, yeah. And if we think we need that, I mean, we still need to go for a conversation, but I just don't want us to to block that. No, I'm not suggesting. I'm not suggesting and never do that. I'm not suggesting. Okay, I just understood. So we would stay clear on that, that as a baseline, this is what the expectations with the possibility expanded. Well, I don't think we can say anything to say that. Okay. Um, are you comfortable in bringing this back, Sharon, for action at some near future meeting? I think that I think we're all on the same page for getting it done. I agree. We're not looking to shut off the discussion if at some point maybe in a relative near future, but also maybe not in a relative near future, depending on how, you know, what else is on our plate. But I'm not, I would either want to cut off the discussion. What I do want is to authorize us to approve, for creating for, what you even use level one, I would use the language. This is what the concept of movies are. Is that what we all say the same thing? Yes. Yes. Okay. So yes, I will put that on a, even the next agenda because we are basically having the discussion tonight. Does everyone agree with that? Yes, except I would like to ask, is there anyone, we've all been delivering on, say what we think, is there anyone in the audience who wishes to address this issue? I should explain that briefly. You know, we're talking about basic constable capabilities. Whether someone, you then authorize someone to go to classes and end up with one enforcement capability, which means they can carry it down, all of that really depends on, we're saying we'd like to make that decision when we know who we're dealing with, as a person. Is there anyone in the audience who would like to address this issue? Okay. So we, Mark, I would say a little differently from what we thought that we're necessarily waiting to see who we get. We're facing that complication for another day with an open mind. Yeah. He would have wanted to ask that. I just want to say that. Yeah, it's perfect. Could you say your name for? Oh, come on. Mailman? Or Snorriage? They're on, yes. Yeah. You may have access to do that sort of thing because sometimes you get, you know, to get somebody in the position that you know, maybe don't want to give them a gun. Yeah, I think so. Right? So I'm totally agree with that. Thank you. All right, thank you. I think we've got our consensus here and we're going to make this, we're going to bring this to our meeting as soon as we can. Yeah. Probably our next meeting. Okay. Okay. This is the open position. I just wanted to make sure, yeah. So in the folder, I created from, I think we built it out of the whole process. It took a sense of self-criticism. So we have in our folders that tracks all of the areas toward appointments, commission appointments, etc. out into town. And I put this out so folks can see what according to the information we have, what the status of area appointment is. And I'm sorry I lost my old control so I'm going to go back to open that again. And so it's all red because in the massive spreadsheet I highlighted the red things that were open or vacant. That's the only reason they're all in red. So I just wanted to let everybody know it's there because I called you for an appointment. I think I'm pretty sure that some of this is wrong, that there's information that we have that hasn't been captured. I did go back through the minutes of the last year to make sure that I captured more recent appointments. So I think the first thing I'm asking for is for people to take a look at it and say, just even off the top of your head and of course quit. That was sometime around on the 12th. If we had record of that one minute, that would be great. So let me get this filled out too. Okay, what's the level of accuracy? Are the open positions and who needs to be reappointed in conditions that they hold right now? Does that make sense? For example, like the tree board, the labor should have I think been reappointed and drew it up still to a couple of times. For example, let's push it away. That's possibly accurate. So the others need to appear or not. Okay, so one of the things you're asking for is for us to look at this not necessarily right now, but to make that in carefully and make sure that... That means no. Yeah. The second of course that you're implying in my way is that we should be a little more contilius about re-appointing people to positions when their term is expired rather than just letting them go on. Right? Well, exactly. There's that. That's part of it. We did the early part of the year. We did several as people may do. And then we just did it. We got distracted with other things going on. That's right. All the others got priority. Great. Okay. All right. Now, gosh, seven minutes and a ton of time. Oh, by the way, it's on your board round drawing and drawing the items of all business and other business. This is just a chance for those in the audience. This is just a chance for us to go around and say, once on your mind about all this, you don't think that it's something about that we want. It's pretty much what we want to talk about. It's not action items. It's just sort of housekeeping and other items. So, Rick, you want to start? I'm still trying to really recite some things to get on our fur. We've got to know about the traffic safety. Yeah. The speed safety on the road. Excuse me. Do you want me to go out? Well, thank you. I hope you're not from there. No, I don't think so. But I just want to... You guys don't have these marks there, do you? Yeah, we're waiting for the arrival of the new speed signs. And then we're just pulling up the latest fall. These are the signs that we approved for the upcoming serious speeding problems on a number of our roads, including County Road, really even West County Road, Lightning Ridge. So we use federal funds to buy portable and fixed speed signs, which have the advantage of not only slowing people down because the average person, but they also record what's going on. They record speeds in time. So they're light traffic. So they're light traffic counters, and they give us an idea of what's happening on the road, and it gives raw enforcement capability and see if there's certain times in the day when official speeders, not people like you and me, who just ride a little fast, you know, what? So that, so that's so in our road crew, with these and we'll try to figure out what's going on. We also just like you know, and you might want to comment on this, as we just recently, we approved the use of speed bumps on County Road, and then we learned that this could be a real problem, a safety problem, that speed bumps when people are going fast, the kinds of speeds that people are going on County Road, these people could just skid off the road, and so we rescinded the speed bump approval, and instead authorized the commissioner to seriously consider scoring through grooving the road. Well, what would you like to do? Can I interrupt that? Yeah, please. Go ahead. That's actually really expensive. There's a machine that, you know, scores the asphalt with their tires on the road, you've seen them, but some moves and things like that, and it, so it makes a problem with the tires cost, I think it kind of works about that. I wanted to, we'll try to do that after we get a speed sign, we're going to just do this on, just west down on the County Road, well above the brow, we're going to put the speed on that, County Road drops to 25, we'll put in one of our new radar speed signs, and then we're going to probably, what we may do is see if that impacts the driver's speed first, and then we'll well consider it, you know, grooving in that vehicle. We're probably going to wait until we see if the speed signs signs deal with the issues first, mainly because the rumble strip kind of things making noise, so we're going to get complaints, but it's like, you know, so it's kind of an incremental approach to this, and so we'll see how the first thing will be for us to get some of the speed signs in there, and then right now, and one of the speed signs at that old one that we got was moved down into the village in April corner, and I think that sky speed kind of passed that in the order of that, but we've got to measure the traffic speed, we've got to turn that sign off, still have a measured speed vehicle, so once we put in the sign, we should be able to measure free-flowing vehicle speed now, and the ideal for the vehicle to be able to compare it to what we had saw when we signed well above that hill, is where that sign should have been in the long report, hit the downhill section into that end of April corner, and see that it didn't pass the speeds, if that doesn't, that'll go to the next step of the route. We'll do a correct if I can just plan a seat, I don't know how many years we've had that big stretch coming down the hills, we're still essentially kind of looking at it now, but if we're near the end, I think it still has a lot of life to do some of your pay, but if we're not sure whether we want to do it because of the noise issue, if when we get to the point where we think this is going to need to get repaid in the next year, maybe we move it then, and then we could test it around, and by the time the screams are piercing our ears, we'll have ripped it up and repaid it, so. This is going to be one of those classic cases of getting out with some people in fact. But the idea is to make it better for anybody on the road, too. Right, so that's our safety. I don't think it's going to be a percentile as a whole on that road as high, it's the natural driving speed of about 50 miles an hour. And I think, you know, that from my experience, looking, that's really blind, I mean, I would actually like more, too, before we just put a rumble, like a rumble strip, even if we have a village marker or some kind of, a lot of people know that they're coming into, you know, into kind of a village section, because if you get them, you usually have to trigger to slow people down, or then. Well, the 25 mile an hour road is pretty slow. And it's, there's a tendency to speed and not stretch, it's very long. Before you hit the hill, it's 20 miles an hour. Well, the idea, if people are coming along, and they hit that 25, it takes hundreds of people to drive it down. Before you hit it. Okay, a lot of people just don't pay attention to that. Let's continue the round rumble. Is there anything else? No, I'm good. I'll see you by the time for the audience, folks that listen to the conversation tonight. Maybe they have some ideas that we didn't think of or something like that. Well, we'll do that as soon as let's finish up here. And that's definitely a great idea. Sharon? Yeah, I'm here. Sorry, I'm in a good way with my question, but I think that is something important. Is there anything, we're on the round robin. I have some thoughts, but do you want to take the lead or do you want me to? Well, I do want to follow up on the point that you made earlier that at our next meeting, we are going to offer an extended, a little longer than usual on personnel updates, so that people have a chance to say what's on their minds. I think it's important that we give people that opportunity. I also want to say that we, you know, I want to say that it doesn't mean that we're going to, it's not going to be necessarily one of those ask me anything questions over opportunities. We ask me anything, and I'll tell you. We are, of course, going to continue to respect the topics as nature of our discussion, but we may have time to be more, slow down a little bit as we make those points, and after folks have not follow up on questions about where the stories come from or whatever else is clear, because we have done a lot of talking about executive sessions, but it seems like it's just a really great question. There are. I have a couple of thoughts. One is, yes, I mean, we will, as I said, we're going to post us for next Monday, like we always do. We'll post on Front Forge Forum, as well as, of course, the town website, the agenda, but we'll also invite people in separate posts to come. I think we're going to do that part, because that's something you're first, you're going to do personally? Yeah, I mean, I think somebody has to post, and we can, it could, I don't know whether it'll be one of us, you, because I think people, they look at this agenda, and they don't know what that is. I leave that for the two of you, but it's got to be really clear. I think that people, this is an area where it has been a lot of distrust, a lot of untendiness. I think people, we work for the people, and I think they really care, so I think we have to be absolutely crystal clear. Yes, it's the chance to come and talk about it. Yeah, this is long overdue. Right, okay, now, so I guess, just to pause, I feel like I made a mistake, and I'd like to correct this. First of all, I think it's really important for us in certain areas when we're dealing with external people for us to decide who amongst the five of us is in charge of doing it. And so, I mean, we've sort of done it, I hope, but I'd like to actually say. I don't know what you mean. Well, I'll explain. I think that when it comes to relations with the rogue group, I think that the two of you, Denise and Rick, should be told, you're the ones that are dealing with the rogue group. Rick is commissioner and unionist. That it's not like it would never come back to us, but that you would report back to us at each meeting and how are things going? We support the rogue group here a lot about them, but I think that it would be good to have two of us who are just doing it. It's just like you, Denise, and you, John, are the liaisons to the dam. I just want to be clear. I think you're after your confusing things. Rick and I were originally liaisons to the rogue group for the last two years. Yeah, right. So, and I think you're referring to my acting, that capacity to collect the items from out there. I think you're alluding to that. Actually, I was. Okay, so I don't, so I have no problem. There's no, I just want to be clear here. I was acting in my role to the extent that you were alluding to. I don't know what else you could be alluding to. If Denise, at this moment, is a better fit, I totally support that and agree with that. But we have assigned roles. It has to be two people and not three people. And so we have had me and Rick, that was two people. Denise might substitute in for me, and I can back up because I got plenty of my plate. That's fine too. But there's also a third person is Eric. And he's got, he's maintaining a relationship there. So however you guys go about it, it needs to be coordinated with Eric. Well, we have to, you know, I know we have to do too. It's a board, we talked about in the last meeting, you know, Eric, you know, actually, the first time I was called for that role. Right. I could try and get a little bit of both. But we have to have, we have to figure this out. I think that's an all. I think what you and Eric do is going to overlap. You know what? I don't think I'm ready for this discussion. I think this is something we need to think about. Well, okay, let me put something on the table. So you understand. I was not referring to you. I was referring to me. Well, I'll tell you, I think we need to take two of us to deal with our lawyers when it comes to the petition to form a union. Okay. And I think it should be Sharon. I thought it could be because it was Sharon. I thought it could be because you do a lot of you should, for the audience, there has been a petition. This is, this isn't the first time, but there's been a petition and from a new petition from the road crew to unionized. We're positive. We're all union supporters. So it's not likely objective us. But this is something that has to be managed. It's this whole process that you have to go through. Anyway, so originally I thought, well, it should be, it should be Sharon and you. And I was told that we were so busy with the enforcement litigation that you would see the hell of it. You know, and that's, that's inaccurate. And I, by the way, I made the mistake of inserting myself. And I had a conversation with the lawyers and Denise did too. And the lawyers wrote back to us and said, when you tell us who was authorized to speak to us. Right. And I think we should decide. I was originally the one that, the only time you could get information about the road crew members and all this, and that's definitely what you said, you asserted yourself. So I kind of got scared about it. Yeah. So that's why I think we should just decide. Well, so to be clear about my role and I'm going to say at this point, my disinterest in taking on the other responsibility, I think I probably, anybody here, have the deepest union experience. I've been on bargaining teams. I was vice-chair of bargaining teams. I've been a union activist for 30 years. But, and I sway, I'm pro-union. So folks, you know, people hate unions. I'm very pro-union. So that's generally a good fit for me. And I also understand contracts and negotiations and all the processes that we need to follow. But I am pretty swamped. And I'm being pressured to back off a little bit on my workload. I mean, I got a home environment that's being impacted. So I am going to defer its time to some other folks. Okay. On that front, that's fine. I respect that people may not be ready for this discussion, but I think pronto we should decide here. Well, and we agreed that as we did the last time, that it's not going to just be, it's going to be the full board. The deciding. Well, it meets with the crew I just think that we need to think about this and maybe make a list of all the different things that are going on and who's going to do what. Before we start talking about it, I think it's a little uncomfortable right now to talk about who's going to do what. Well, I think we should do a team. Right. And I don't disagree with that. But I think that this hasn't been more, none of us have thought much about it. So I'd like to say that we could put it on a future agenda or something. I guess I just want to explain just like we did with the dam. It doesn't mean when we say that so and so and so and so on, the board is the liaison or the one. It doesn't mean that they make all the decisions or anything they have to come back. Any time anything significant goes on, they have to come back to the full board. And it wouldn't mean that, I mean, you know that we're all very desiderous of meeting with the crew and helping them out in any way we can. And so that wouldn't be impacted. It's just a question of which of us so that we don't have people the lawyers are asking you to know who's delegated to talk to us. So, yeah, so, okay. And I think we need to decide this. We have an ongoing conversation. This is not something that has to be worn. We need to decide this tonight. I mean, the lawyers, who are they going to contact? All of us outside of a quorum. I think that's inappropriate. And I have no problem with Sharon and Mark dealing with that right now. And then if that's not a good fit for the rest of the board, then we can take it up the next meeting. But we need, right now, to assign people. Denise has got piles on her plate. You've got more on your plate. I don't know if Sharon's okay with that or not. I'm happy to help out with that. We just have four, but we can't have three people. All right. Well, either Sharon and Denise or Sharon and Mark, I agree. Sharon, you seem to be part of it. You know, however, your pleasure. I don't know if Sharon wants to get to see it, but Denise is interested. You know what? Let's take a list. Let's go to the attorney's contact this week. I'm sorry, guys. I am here. I'm going to get started by the end. But I am, yeah, that's just my question. I am, I'm reviewing stuff. I do think we need a point person or two people. I am willing, and I think it's a good fit to do that. If Mark, if you're up for joining me with us, that would be great. Yeah, I mean, Denise, I appreciate what you are. You're also picking up a lot of so much in the town office right now. Yeah. Well, that's not a good enough reason to come on. Why don't we say this? It's not perfect. Let's just say for the moment, Sharon, you're it. And let's decide. Let's talk, talk about it. Think about it. And let's decide who the second person is next week. Okay. It sounds good. And Sharon, for the next week, you get to play with the lawyers. Okay. Okay. I don't, what? Are we okay? All right. Agenda items, agenda preview, future agenda items, I think. I think it's pretty well listed. I think it's pretty well listed. And we've got the only thing is, I do want to let everybody know something. And I shouldn't do this, but I'm going to do it. On anything to do with the corresponding day on it, I refuse myself because I have a place on the first one. It's not a legal conflict, but it certainly looks like a conflict that I'm, I think that. So out of order, I'm just saying, well, that issue is on the agenda for next time. But we really need an answer from our lawyers about the process that we have to go through if we want to get to the point of warning the bond issue. Right. And we haven't got that answer yet. So if we don't get it, it'll loop come up. You saw it in Denise and I handle that. Okay. We've been assigned that. Right. Right. That's right. All right. There's clarity there. Okay. Andy, I will just ask, we just did a round robin. We're not, we don't, we don't need another executive session, right? Because we had, that was on the litigation. We did it right there. Is there a, I just, before we wrap up there, there was another item that hit our emails today. And we'll be on a future agenda. And I said that I am similarly refusing one. Yeah. I just want to make sure that somebody saw that. Why? Which email are you talking about? Why? Yeah. Why are you talking about the tank? Is it, what was it? The tank of the, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The tank. Oh, the Julian. Yeah. Okay. Gotcha. Okay. You don't have to answer my question. Right. You are. Okay. Yeah. We saw that. Okay. Thank you. So folks should know, Julian leases for a nickel 95, a spot on town, the town forest property to, for a sap collection tank. And so, and we'll revisit that in this agreement. And decide whether or not. More like every three years. More like every three years. It hasn't been three. I thought it was that. There's a great couple in here. Okay. So, it's come time to, and Sharon is going to reduce herself for a set of reasons. We'll take that up. Okay. Thank you. Anyone in the audience like to say anything about a realm rather than Larry? You want to come up? Sure. I don't have anything else to say. Larry Bush. I just wanted to second Mark's idea about reaching out to the public in a more informal and informative way about this somewhat unusual but very desirable meeting that we're proposing to have next week. I think people have trouble if it's buried in the necessary legal ease of an agenda. And so having all the agenda is clearly as Boston's great, but I would very much support the idea of this kind of reaching out directly and say, you know, we'd like you or Jeff to say if you feel like you need to come and say something. And we're also going to tell you what's been going on if you have concerns about that. That's what I'm saying. So, that's all I have to say. Thank you Larry. Thank you Larry. Anybody else? David. David. David here. And if I'm not mistaken, I'm a hero. Coming in to Maple County, you go from 50 to 25. Yeah. You could put a 20. That's a 40 here. There's a 40 in there, David. It must be blue passes. It's a 40, but you're going with 50. David, I want to talk to you about that. And people on County Road have talked on West County. Just go like, they just go like hell right through there. Legally, you can't drop more than 15 miles an hour. I'm sorry, it's not an increment. Yeah, it's not an increment. But this does prompt something I meant to tell you very last time I went down there. I don't think there are any violence. And so all of a sudden you're in violation. So I'm going 50. I actually tried to go 40 out of respect these days. I used to call it 50. But I'm going 50 and all of a sudden, by the time it comes into focus with my legally legalized but old eyes, I'm already violating. So I'm hitting the brakes. And for those who want to save on gas, I like the warning, the speed zone ahead 40 miles. Then I think much about that. I'm not firming brakes. I'm not wasting fuel. And it's a more comfortable transition. So do with the 25. You go from a 40 and then suddenly you're at 25. It's bad signage. It's really bad. I don't know why it's that way. So you can also make a concession. Great. Well, and we're talking about that. We're talking about that. It's interesting. It's 80 to 80 percent of all. It makes it less than 80 percent. 40. 40. 40. Make the whole county room 40. And then it's consistent all the way through. Which makes a difference to me. Now people are still going 50. People are still going to go 50. Well, they're going to go 60. Yeah, right. Is there any other comment, thoughts? I'll save it for next week. All right. Okay. Good. I look forward to that. Sharon, will you still be, you'll be with us, right? Maybe. Depends on the people. Yeah. I think it might be, I will certainly be wearing what they call a really good vest. Yeah. Okay. So I hear a question to your journal. Someone. So I go ahead and second. Uh, the second. Do you have a phone call? Uh, a phone call. Denise. Hi. Son. Yes. Rick. Mark. Sharon. Hi. Mark says yes. Thank you very much for the question. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you for coming.